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It is Friday, so I wanted to give you some laughs.

So

I thought we'd play some of the testimony from Fanny Willis and Nathan Wade,

her main squeeze there.

In testimony yesterday, it was unbelievable.

We'd go there in 60 seconds.

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So I don't know the last time I enjoyed a court case as much as

much as the Fannie Willis court case yesterday.

Fanny Willis, in case you don't know, she is the woman that is going after Donald Trump in Atlanta, and

she's fantastic.

I just love this.

So apparently she was having an affair with one of her underlings.

And I don't know if he was under or let's just leave it at that.

And

having an affair and paying all kinds of money, in fact, a lot more than anybody else on her staff in that role.

But he was such an expert.

And they found out that...

you know, those two were having an affair

and he was cheating on his wife.

And

it looks like there's some ethics problems there.

So now she's in court because her credibility is shot.

And the Trump people have said she really needs to be removed from this case because she's got, you know, ulterior motives and there's another agenda going on, et cetera, et cetera.

So

you see it yesterday, Stu?

Oh,

yes.

I sure did, Glenn.

Yeah.

I watched every second of it I could ingest.

It was incredible.

Yeah,

it was good.

The first thing that I saw was

he gets up on the stand and he's testifying that,

well, he didn't lie to the court during his divorce proceedings.

You know, he just got divorced.

When was it?

Last year?

No, this year, right?

Very recently.

Yeah, very recent.

Maybe it was early or late last year.

But

he got a divorce, and all this came up in the divorce court, that he was having an affair with Fanny Willis.

Well, he denied that in court.

And when asked about it, he said,

well, it's because his marriage had irregular

differences.

Yes.

And he couldn't, so his marriage was over.

So he considered his marriage over when he was having an affair.

See, I consider my marriage over on Friday nights and Saturday nights, and then it picks back up on Sunday.

I like that.

You could just kind of, is that a new thing?

You could just name when your marriage is over, and then it's not cheated.

Wow.

Our marriage was over at that point.

Remember when that was what I remember Bill Clinton being just like, hey, yeah, when she's under the desk, the marriage is over.

And then

we flip the switch back on for public purposes.

I never heard that excuse.

I like that.

I like that.

Okay, so he did that.

And then apparently he was reimbursed for all of the vacations and everything else.

Play cut three, please.

You said in the affidavit that you roughly shared travel, though, correct?

Yes, ma'am.

Okay.

So this roughly sharing travel, you're saying she reimbursed you.

She did.

And where did you deposit the money she reimbursed you?

Oh, it was cash.

She didn't give me checks.

I look like this is so.

She gave you cash for her share of all these vacations.

Mr.

Schaefer, you'll step out if you do that again.

Yes, ma'am.

Someone laughed.

And so all of the vacations that she took, she paid you cash for.

Yes, ma'am.

And you purchased all of these vacations on your business credit card, correct?

Yes, ma'am.

And you included those in deductions on your taxes, correct?

No, ma'am.

I mean, there's so much here.

This is, we're deep into it at this point, but

just to think about what they're saying here, because if you back up a little bit, the reason why this is an issue and why this was brought up initially by one of the co-defendants

as well as Donald Trump and Giuliani and all these other guys, this is a smaller defendant that no one really ever talked about.

The reason why it was brought up is if they're having an affair, he's making hundreds of thousands of dollars from this trial.

Fonnie, and she likes to call her Fonnie Willis.

is motivated to continue this trial for as long as possible because her boyfriend is getting all this cash.

So instead of having a pursuit of justice, you have a pursuit of your own financial benefit because you're

the longer this goes on, the more assignments this guy gets, the more money he gets, and then they go on vacations together, which he's paying for.

This is the accusation.

And if that's the case, well, maybe the motivation here is not to see where, you know, to get us to

justice here for the people of Georgia, but maybe to make sure she gets to Belize and Aruba and Miami and all the other vacations they discussed during this.

So that's the reason why this is

important, partially.

The other part of it is that they said the relationship didn't start until 2022.

And if it started before that, they lied to the court.

That's a whole nother problem.

There's plenty of problems here.

There's plenty of problems.

Their excuse for this that we are supposed to believe,

they actually are telling us we should believe this excuse is that

Wade

buys expensive vacations to Aruba and a bunch of different places.

He puts it on his business credit card.

And then they go on the vacations.

They spend all this money, Napa Valley, thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars on these vacations.

And then she shows up and just hands him $4,000 in cash,

which in turn, he never deposits into his bank account.

We are supposed to believe now.

There's no record of any of this happening because, of course, it's all cash.

There's not a cash.

There's no Venmo.

There's no cash app.

There's no checks.

Nothing.

It's all cash.

And then he takes the cash and never deposits any of it into his bank account.

He said he may have given some of it to his children.

Oh, of course.

I mean, there's

may have done that.

Now, Glenn, it's important to understand how human beings act.

And this series of events

has never occurred between any two human beings in American history.

There's never been a case ever in history

where a man bought something on his business card for $8,000.

And then when he showed up for the vacation, his girlfriend paid him back $4,000 in cash, which he never deposited.

This has never occurred in

the history of human interaction.

Well, are you done?

No, I can keep going for hours on this.

It was fascinating.

You have no idea.

You have no idea what it means to be a black woman.

Apparently not.

Apparently not.

You have no idea what it means to be a black woman.

This was her excuse, by the way, Glenn.

This legitimate you're saying here is not any

going to give you.

This is really what she said.

No, it's not a joke.

This is not a joke, Stu.

I've got it from the Washington Post.

She explained the two split the cost with Willis paying him back in cash, thousands of dollars in cash.

At the time, many businesses only accepted electronic payments, and many people never carry cash.

Wade made a mess of explaining why Willis was handing over wads of untraceable dollars.

He began many sentences with, well, here's the thing.

And by the time he reached to the end of the sentence, well, there was no thing there.

Now, remember, this is the Washington Washington Post, okay?

But then,

then,

Wade sat in the witness chair, his gray plaid three-piece suit with his white French cuff shirt, gold cuff links, and powder blue pocket square.

He grimaced and smiled and repeatedly referenced his wife's affair as the cause of his filing for divorce in 2021, even though no one had asked him why he split with his wife, but rather when he started his relationship with Willis.

But the two have said the romance began

to become after he became a special prosecutor afterwards.

He had a hard time with the timeline of his relationship.

He drank lots of water, dabbed his face, and sniffed even more vigorously.

Then they talk about how they started, you know,

giving all of the money.

Willis lectured the gathered attorneys on the philosophy behind keeping cash on hand.

Her father taught her that cash was king, and a woman should always be financially self-reliant.

And so yes, she had stashes of cash that she had accumulated over time and she used it to reimburse Wade.

She dipped into it before a trip so she could pay taxi drivers or barter with vendors.

Her description of her father's advice was a compressed version of a very complicated history and modern-day habit.

She didn't go into the discomfort that some black people have with financial institutions or the way in which banks have made it more difficult for black people to do business with them.

She didn't mention that more older people believe in keeping ready cash, that a significant percentage of black and Hispanic Americans use cash for their predominant payment method.

She didn't have to.

She simply talked about what her father had told her to do as a matter of independence and power.

I don't need any man to foot my bills, Willis said.

Wow.

Ugh.

By the way, yeah, she kept bringing up the the dad.

Like, my dad would be disappointed that I only had $40,000 at my house, which is like, okay.

By the way, the dad, a former Black Panther, in case you were interested in why he was so motivated to have cash, he's a former Black Panther,

which just a little note as to the

possible.

Listen to the way you're framing this.

Yeah, exactly.

Yeah, I am framing it as someone with a very extreme group, the history of that.

Well, let me play the counterpoint here and just point out what the New York Times said.

Willis sat in the witness chair for hours, or more precisely, she reclined in the chair, woman explaining how men define relationships and how they would end them.

She did so while wearing a fuchsia dress and a single strand of beads around her neck.

Her hair was styled in soft shoulder-length curls, and her eye makeup was precise and intentional.

Shush, this is journalism.

She was a singular bright spot, surrounded by a black-robed judge and lawyers, mostly in somber suits.

Only Willis and her main inquisitor, merchant, who wore a cobalt blue dress under a white blazer, stood out in the room's sobriety.

Willis walked into court as a woman on the ropes.

Some would say the hearing was a mess of her own making.

Others might believe the whole mess is a distraction from more important matters, but either way, Willis Willis fought back with gob-smacking fury, defiant in power pink.

End quote.

Incredible.

By the way, I think that's the same story.

Incredible.

That ends this way.

The hearing resumes on Friday.

Ms.

Willis is expected to take the stand for more grilling.

The defense lawyers will likely crowd again onto one side of the packed courtroom.

They are,

in aggregate, a sea of boxy wool suits and white male faces my gosh what the hell kind of coverage is what an aggregate sea of white faces what the hell is this it's like they just hired Ibram Kendi to cover the trial what is going on it's embarrassing Here's one thing.

We're going to get back to the actual testimony because it's fun eating.

But let me just give you something that I found useful to understand what happened yesterday.

Megan Kelly said yesterday on X, watching the Fannie Willis Nathan Wade hearing, they are toast, capitalized toast.

One, her former close friend testified that the romantic relationship began well prior to when Fanny hired him by years, which means they lied to the court.

Two, Wade claimed Fanny reimbursed him for all the expensive trips, but no record of that because it was all in cash, O-M-G.

He definitely got caught lying on his earlier court submissions in divorce court and attempted to say the reason he falsely swore that he had no receipts was because he only had credit card statements.

Well,

I mean, hello, she writes, I have secondhand embarrassment.

Credit card statement, that is a receipt, you dope.

He testified he had no records of it.

And then yesterday was, you don't have credit card statements?

Well, yeah, I have that, but that's not a receipt.

Oh, I'm sorry.

I didn't know we were talking to a third grader.

And of course, obviously, he's, I guarantee he submitted credit card statements for purchases and expense reports at his office.

I guarantee he's done that, as every other person who's ever, you know, given

an expense report has done.

It's just so bad.

And Glenn, like you mentioned, the

friend who said this started in 2019, which would be basically the whole thing's blown up if they lied about the starting point of this affair.

That was the second witness who came in and called by

the defense to testify to this fact.

The first one that came in was one of his attorneys, and he got out of it with attorney-client privilege.

So they had a second person who was willing, who was going to say it, but was able to get out of it on a technicality, or they obviously wouldn't have called him if he wasn't going to say this.

And they now have multiple

witnesses, but only one on the record saying that it was happened in 2019.

So it is like,

this is a catastrophe for them.

And everything that you're getting from the coverage is, number one, she's a strong black woman, and number two, she was wearing fuchsia.

Yes, but it was beautiful.

Okay.

It was just beautiful.

And she stood out in the room as a bright, bright light.

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This was during an interview in 2020 with the Atlanta Voice.

She wanted to be the district attorney there,

Fulton County, and people should

vote for her because, why?

Listen.

Because they deserve a DA that won't have sex with his employees.

Because they deserve a DA that won't put money in their own pocket when it should go to benefit children.

Because we deserve better.

No, he wasn't technically an employee, right?

So

I guess that.

Well, no, he was a contract worker.

There you go.

So yeah, not technically, but yeah, they're doing the same thing and putting money apparently into his pocket.

Well, maybe under his bed.

I'm not sure where that money was left.

I had no self-awareness at all.

Like, you're in the middle of this situation.

You know, I mean, think of this.

She knows the magnifying glass.

She's going to be under.

No, they don't.

They don't, Stu.

I'm convinced of it.

Really?

They've never had it.

Stu, how many times have we talked to people in the position where they're just about to break out in some way or another?

And we'll say, you have no idea what's coming.

Oh, no, I know.

Believe me, I know.

No, you don't.

You don't have any, you haven't been under the white hot microscope yet.

And then when they get there, they're like, oh, my gosh, I had no idea.

These guys are never pushed.

They're never questioned.

They're never on the wrong side.

They haven't.

She right now has not felt the white hot heat of the microscope on her yet because she's only getting the side from the Republicans.

She hasn't had the entire apparatus of government and media turned against her and then focused on her like she's an ant underneath a

what do you call it?

Glass.

Magnifying glass.

My gosh, I'm turning into Joe Biden.

My gosh, I'm turning into Joe Biden.

Joe Biden isn't in the Radio Hall of Fame, Glenn.

I'll tell you that much.

Oh, my gosh.

I should go.

I should go.

This is where my wife should step in and say, it's time for him.

Just exit the stage now.

Dr.

Jill steps in and says, here,

come this way, shuffle this direction.

And just shuffle away.

And so, I mean, my kids now should be aware that I'm aware that

something is clearly happening to me.

And I think it's just an abundance of laziness that is really happening.

You've had a hell of a couple of weeks.

You get an excuse.

I'm forgetting

a couple of points right now.

Again, I feel I went

two weeks ago, packed a bag for two days, and I'm still on the road.

And it's not been good.

It's not been good.

I can't wait to get home.

And I'll be back on Monday.

All right.

Anyway.

Magnifying glass.

That's what it is.

See?

I'm just a sweet old man that's just, you know, confused at times.

I know what I'm talking about.

It's a magnifying glass with the little ant or whatever it is that's crawling on the, you know what it's called.

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So Fanny Willis admitted yesterday a lot of things.

You know,

her attorneys were trying to keep her from testifying,

and they were in the middle of making the case, and she just walked up there like a strong, proud black woman.

And she stood there and she's like, Mm-hmm, I'm coming to testify.

And she did.

And nobody could keep her from stopping

talking.

You know, the one thing that you learn if you've ever had to do anything like this is

don't volunteer any information.

Answer the question and that's it.

Yeah, but no, I should explain.

No, don't.

You'll open up too many cans of worms.

Don't.

Right.

Your job is not to be entertaining.

Your job is not to fill in the holes in the story.

Your job is to give as little as information as possible while answering the question that is your job in that situation she took her job more as i was trying out to be the next host at msnbc oh that it that's exactly what she was doing yesterday here she is on the witness stand uh when questioned about cash that she used to reimburse nathan wade listen to that always have cash at the house that has been

i don't know all my life if you're a woman and you go on a date with a man you better have $200 in your pocket.

So if that man acts up, you can go where you want to go.

So I keep cash in my house, and I don't keep cash as good in my purse like I used to.

I don't go on many dates, but when you go on a date, you should have cash in your pocket.

So my question was, where did that cash originally come from?

Come out of the bank.

Cash is

fungible.

It's fungible.

I've had cash for years in my house.

So for me to tell you the source of money comes from, when you go to Publix and you buy something, you get $50, you you throw it in there when it's been my whole life when i took out a large amount of money on my first campaign i kept some of the cash of that like to tell you

i just have cash in my house i don't have as much today as i would normally have but i'm building back up now so you just put money in it's a very good practice i would advise it to all women so in other words so in other words she used to have tens of thousands of dollars of cash

and she got that cash by building up, by going into the grocery store and buying her groceries.

Wait, you would have to pay with cash to get change back.

So she would take $100 out and she'd get $50 back in change.

And that's how she built up the cash.

Now, also, I don't do this anymore.

I mean,

I spent it all.

Wait, you spent most of it?

I'm building it back up.

So we don't, there's nobody that can testify or we can't ask you how much cash do you have now?

Because if you had $40,000 in cash, I mean, usually that's, I mean, that's something that I would think that maybe, you know, you could have that amount of cash, but isn't that something like the bank notifies and goes, I think they've got a lot of cash.

But she admits that it's from her her first campaign, which I believe the cash from your campaign is pretty tightly regulated.

And, you know, I don't think you imagine if anybody, if I'm running, I'm like, yeah, I just keep all those campaign contributions in my house.

Now, I will say,

again,

we would never get the benefit of any defense if the situation was reversed.

But to be fair to her, hearing the way that

she

sucks.

It's so sad because of that.

I know.

We try to be fair.

We never get it in return.

I will be fair to her on this one point, which is she at another point in this testimony did talk about taking out $50,000 for her campaign of her own money.

So it was not camp.

It was not like she was saying, I took donations and then kept them in cash at my house.

She was talking about a large amount of cash she took out to pay for her own campaign.

And I think she's trying to refer to what was left over.

Now, she did also say she was almost broke after that campaign.

So not a lot would be left over, I would think, if you're describing yourself as broke to an author.

Especially if you're adding to that pile by taking from that pile to get change.

Right.

Well, and that's the thing, Glenn.

Like, if you get into a conversation, let's say with the IRS, like, let's say they have a tax issue with you, they don't take a, well, look, cash is fungible.

I don't know where it came from.

Like,

you don't get to answer that question.

The only people I've ever heard say that are drug lords.

You know,

I've never heard that before.

In fact, I've heard the opposite.

If you do have cash, make sure you have a receipt with that cash so you know exactly where that cash came from.

Yeah.

I've always heard that.

Right.

Like the cash part of this is so unbelievable.

I mean, look, some people have cash?

Yeah.

Some people have cash.

Some people pay for things with cash.

I mean, like, that's not completely out of the, out of the realm of possibility.

What is out of the realm of possibility is taking this, you know, these large gobs of cash and paying for exactly half of trips that you're going on with your boyfriend.

Like, that is just, like, it's just not, that is not realistic.

This did not occur.

You know, just not the type of thing that goes on, especially when you add on the fact that the boyfriend then does nothing, does,

there's never a deposit he makes with all these thousands of dollars.

I mean, just it's so completely unbelievable.

And like, they think they've talked themselves into this untraceable victory here.

Like they just, oh, well, they can't prove that this didn't happen, which probably is true, right?

I mean, you could get witness testimony, but that's about it.

It's probably going to be really hard to prove that that cash went, did not go from her, you know, magical stash to his magical stash with no record of it anywhere.

It's going to be hard to prove that.

But I mean, the question is, does the judge actually buy it?

And I can't believe that he would.

I mean, how could he?

I mean, the regulations, Glenn, say, according to the attorneys in the case, that she's supposed to report any gift of $100 or more.

And we have multiple trips.

of thousands and thousands of dollars where this woman is going to vacations.

I've never been to Napa Valley on a vacation.

I've never been to Aruba on a vacation.

But, you know, she's taking really fancy trips for a public servant.

Just listen to the hatred.

Listen to the hatred.

All right, let me hit you up on this then.

If you're just going to hit me on the hatred, let me ask you this.

Okay.

Because I got this.

By the way, that's all I have, Stu.

That's the only thing you can.

That's why she's using it.

Well, that's why she made that speech at the church where she said, like, can you believe they're going after these black man and a black woman?

This is all about race.

Immediately jumped to that because there's no other way to justify this behavior.

It's obviously a problem.

But, like,

there was this other thing.

Their interaction was fascinating between Wade and Willis.

Willis continually kept talking about bizarre relationship details that she was not being asked about.

Did you notice this?

This was fascinating.

Oh, yeah, yeah, no.

How could if you watched it,

how could you miss it?

At one point, like, she kept making this distinction as to when their relationship ended.

She claims it ended in August, and he, she, he didn't say this, but she claims that he thinks the relationship ended in June or July because that was the last time they had sex.

And she kept bringing this up.

Like, you know, you know how men are.

Men think relationships stop the last time you have sex.

And I believe it stops when you have an uncomfortable conversation, the breakup conversation.

Well, hang on just a second, Stu.

May I just point out?

He also believes that his marriage is over,

you know, long before the divorce proceedings.

When you're testifying, did you have an affair during your marriage?

And the answer is no.

And you're still married and seeing someone, you don't get to say in a court of law, well, yeah, but that's not how I define marriage.

Right.

So it's these people.

So go ahead.

I will say, in this day and age, you do get to occasionally make up definitions of marriage.

That is something that we have learned over the years.

You are occasionally able to do.

But so she, so she was saying, okay, well, that's how men think.

Now, again, I guess you're just able to just trash all men.

That's how men think.

Now, I know of no guy who's like, actually, we broke up on Tuesday, but I think of the relationship ending last Thursday because we hooked up last Thursday.

Like, I don't know guys who think it that way, but okay, let's just take that as it is.

Then that was not something they were asking about, though.

They were not saying like,

you know,

she wanted to tell the story so bad.

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Now, you're not supposed to do this as an attorney.

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I have to also lead that she went on a rage

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Her most important relationships have been

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the attorneys are trying to get the timeline of this relationship.

Again, multiple witnesses are saying it started in 2019.

They're denying that.

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Her point on that is it was impossible for us to have a relationship because he had some sort of cancer, which apparently gave him erectile dysfunction.

And

again, they keep trying to cut her off before she says this stuff.

She eventually gets it out and then says,

And then says,

I'm sorry.

She says, Well, I mean, he had issues that would make a relationship impossible if you know what I mean, but I am not going to emasculate a black man.

And

you did it?

Wait, wait a minute.

What?

Like, we didn't ask you about this.

And he's so shocked.

He's like, what?

And she says, I will not

emasculate a black man and then sits back and need that audio.

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It was incredible.

And you got to think this guy, Nathan Wade, who's, by the way, trying to share this BS story about cash payments and when the relationships start.

Like, they're on the same team.

They've obviously arranged this story.

And he's like, why are you talking about my wiener?

There's no reason to be.

Why is that?

Why are you doing that?

Someone would be about a relationship if you you saw his wiener that's pizza that was her defense

this guy couldn't perform at all let me tell you about what he tried to do this one time ma'am stop can i ask you this what i find so infuriating is their logic never never meets it it is never complete so on one hand uh she is talking about how we can't have a relationship.

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He just asked if your relationship.

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Earlier, when she's asked about relationship ending, she says guys only think of that as sex.

Women think of it differently.

Wait, no, apparently you think about the sex too because they asked you about your relationship.

Not, you know,

not his wiener.

She said it was impossible without that factor.

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How are you?

I'm very good, Glenn.

Thanks for having me back.

Sure.

So when I brought you in last time,

you sat in my studio and you're like, I don't even, I have no idea why I'm even here.

And

that's very true.

That was a little confusing experience.

Yeah, because we called you out of the blue, but as I told you there,

you have a global reach now.

If you're online and you're posting stuff, you never know who's watching.

You never know who's listening.

And I thoroughly enjoyed it.

What was the take when you got back home?

Oh, my gosh.

Well, lots of different experiences.

But I think largely just so many of the people in our community, especially our church, are just so grateful for you, your impact, your reach, your clarity, your curiosity, as I mentioned on your show, your humility, and just your willingness to invite, like I said, a hick from the sticks to come on your show and talk about Jesus.

So, a lot of excitement, a lot of gratefulness.

And like I said, you gave my family a top 10 experience of our life with the after-show, after the podcast, the things we got to see there at your place.

So, we were very, very grateful, very grateful.

Well, Josh,

I'll give you the $100 I promised you if you said all those nice things.

So, you did a good job.

It came off sincere.

I remember it was 200.

All right, Josh,

I want to take this and break what happened down at Lakewood Church, the shooting there.

And I want to break it down the way you've broken it down, one piece at a time, starting with on a human level.

Because you go through on a human level, practical level, social level, political level, theological level, and it really helps you think clearly.

So let's start with this story on a human level.

Yeah,

we were chatting.

As a pastor, you see something that happens like this, and it's so tragic and it's so complex.

And instantly it can become politicized.

Instantly, it can be weaponized from one side of the aisle to push for some sort of crazy legislation to,

and the focus goes the wrong way.

It goes to the wrong problem.

And as a pastor, you look at it and go, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

On a human level, at a very basic starting point, this is tragic and complex.

There are no easy answers, especially when you have what I would consider to be a mentally unstable woman who thinks she's a man potentially on hormones.

We'll never know that if she was, that'll never get out.

And she takes her seven-year-old child into harm's way while she is going to attempt to harm other people.

We can just start with the fact that this is tragic and complex.

It's complex for her family.

her former husband, her in-laws, her Jewish in-law, mother-in-laws, argued on the news.

It's tragic for her friends, her coworkers, that child's friends.

And then you get into the security team at the church, the Sunday school teachers of the church, the pastoral team of the church.

Now, every single person attending that church has to deal with the fear and anxiety.

Is it safe to go to church again?

I have people in my church, Glenn, who've been a part of kind of mass shooting events at concerts, couldn't go outside for years.

Couldn't go back out in public for years.

And so just on a basic human level, I think

to be helpful pastorally, we start with the fact that it's tragic and complex.

And that's where we used to pause for a while.

You know,

I've been doing radio for almost 50 years.

And

there used to be a time where you didn't joke, you didn't make it political, you didn't do anything.

It was a moment of pause and reflection, and the whole country did it.

Now it goes...

If it even goes to the human level, it's not there very long.

That's exactly right.

And we're lesser for it.

I mean, if we as a society can't come together and acknowledge the human element that this is tragic at every level, then

we're less human and we're missing something very, very profound.

So, on a practical level, the next thing you looked at.

Yeah, the next thing that I thought was: thanks be to God, there was leadership in place.

I don't know this church very well, the leadership at all, but thanks be to God, they had the sense to

take initiative to prepare for evil.

And that's the job of leadership is

we don't make war on things because we hate what's in front of us, but we love what's behind us.

And part of being a stronger man, sort of being a good leader, is preparing for worst case scenario.

And so

our nation may not be taking very good care of our borders, but thanks to God, there was a pastor in Texas who was willing to take care and prepare to protect the people of his church.

So on a practical level, having spent six years in law enforcement myself, and having been put in situations where weapons were drawn and was instantaneous moments away from having to make a life death decision myself.

I guess my first instinct was it's tragic at a human level.

And then I was instantly grateful for good guys with guns, which is the only thing that'll stop bad guys with guns.

Then the social level,

you asked here, are we even listening?

Yeah, you know, it's interesting.

Camille Pagley, I don't know if you're familiar with her.

She's actually someone I've listened to quite a bit.

I actually really enjoy her.

We're kind of oddbed fellows.

She's an atheist,

lesbian, self-identified, like lesbian, transgender,

professor of Yale and kind of higher learning.

Hold on just a second.

America, did you just hear this?

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Even if you disagree with them, there's always something to learn.

And you listen and you don't hate.

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All right, go ahead.

Well, I was listening to one of her lectures, and she's just naturally curious, and she's very intellectually honest.

And so I've followed her for several years and just kind of watching the journey that she's on.

And when she speaks, she makes a lot of sense.

And one of the things that she talks about is she's studied androgyny.

She's written dozens of books on it and papers.

And it's kind of the blurring of

men and women.

And she talks about historically, she's very intelligent.

She talks about the fact that it's inevitable that when a society fixiates on androgyny,

it is undeniable and indisputable late-stage culture.

It's a telltale sign that that culture is in its late stage of collapse.

She goes through the Greek Empire, the Persian Empire, the Babylonian Empire, the Roman Empire, and she shows.

The Weimar Republic, the Republic of Germany.

It was late.

That's exactly right.

That's exactly right.

She referenced that as well.

And she talks about the social contagion that she calls this kind of transgender asyxciation with androgyny.

And the crazy thing is, Glenn, she points to each one of those cultures.

Each one of those cultures and their asphyxiation on androgyny felt they were being two things.

One, sophisticated and compassionate.

And as a self-avowed, atheist, lesbian, transgender person, she says, I am grateful that there was not a crazy government mechanism in place to pull me into making decisions that I would have regretted the rest of my life when I was 12.

Because in my state, Glenn, it's illegal for a government school teacher

to reveal to a parent that their child wants to use different pronouns at school, and it's legal for the government schools to transport that child to a, quote, gender therapy center to begin hormonal treatment without their parents' consent.

And that is absolute insanity.

And so we have to recognize what's happening here and stand up and say something about it.

So on a social level, are we listening when you take a mentally unstable woman and encourage her to be a man, et cetera, et cetera?

Next, you talked about political, on a political level.

Well,

it's crazy to me, and I think there's wide consensus for this in our nation.

I think I hope there is, that

there's just no ability to understand

the pro-Palestinian, pro-Hamas, pro-terror movement sweeping our nation, quote-unquote, at least as we see snippets of it in the news, because

there's no question as to the agenda of Hamas,

the agenda of the terrorist group.

And my question was like

she had indisputable pro-Palestinian free Hamas messages on her person, on her gun,

in her social sphere that's being investigated.

And it's like, are we learning anything about terrorism here?

They are radicalizing the mentally unstable.

They're radicalizing the weak and vulnerable.

They're radicalizing the disenfranchised.

And they have one message.

It's not love.

It's not peace.

It's not doing to others as you have them doing to you.

It is

murder, kill, destroy.

And we know that's satanic because that's Satan's playbook.

The Bible says that Satan comes to steal, kill, and destroy.

And when you parachute into a town and rape women and murder children,

you are running the devil's playbook, whether it's in

Gaza, Israel, or in Houston, Texas.

So we've gone through through human level, practical level, social level, political level.

The last one is really your purview as a pastor, a theological level.

And let me get to that in 60 seconds.

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This is the one that I just thought you are so spot on and something I just don't hear from people.

And it is

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We're talking about the Lakewood shooting, the Lakewood church,

and

what it all means and how we should interpret this.

And we've broken down all different categories.

And now, on a theological level, how do we look at that tragedy?

Well, I look at it in two ways theologically.

First of all,

we see things in the physical realm.

We don't oftentimes think of things in the spiritual realm.

And what we know for sure is that there are two realms.

That naturalism told us in government schools, if you can't see it in telescope or microscope, you can't believe it.

So there's no category for these non-reproducible events that can't be repeated.

And so we say it's not real, but the reality is the supernatural, though it's viewed as superstitious by a secular world, the supernatural is is real.

This is the realm that

God is ruling over, and in that realm are Satan and demons, and they attack our relationships.

And so I talk about with my church oftentimes, cultural, social media, relationships, entertainment, nothing is neutral, Glenn.

And so if I believe the truth, I'm inviting heaven down.

If I believe lies, I'm pulling hell up.

If I extend forgiveness to someone, I'm inviting heaven down.

If I refuse to forgive someone, I'm pulling hell up.

If I treat someone like God has treated me, I'm inviting heaven down.

If I treat someone like Satan treats me, I'm pulling hell up.

And so every day we have opportunities to either pull heaven down into our life or pull hell up into our life.

And that's what happened at Lakewood when she chose evil and hate and violence.

But on a theological level, the problem of evil is what confronts me as a pastor when these things happen.

And people tend to ask, why do bad things happen to good people?

And of course, I'll be the first one to admit, I've walked with people through suicide, death of infants, stillborn stillborn babies, cancer diagnosis, car wrecks, and the most horrific of circumstances.

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They need hope.

They need prayer.

They need you to weep with them and to walk with them and to acknowledge that no matter what our answer is on our side of this, that it sucks and it's wrong and it's not how God intended the world to be.

But then as they process through the grief, the questions come.

And the question is,

why do bad things things happen to good people?

And my answer pastorally is

the premise is false.

Because the real question is, why would God allow anything good to happen to sinners, specifically in a nation that's actively rejecting them?

Because as I mentioned, we've mocked, maligned, ignored, and abandoned God as a nation, and yet he still loves us and is extending

unmerited common grace to the people of our nation every

day.

And there's so much grace, even in the stories I mentioned, you know, that the would-be killer came between services, that the good guys were there and ready, that she was stopped before carrying out her evil plan.

So even in the immediate details of this tragic pain, there is grace to celebrate and thank God for.

But on a larger scale, and this is what I mentioned to you, I think, that when we step back,

and I'm careful, Pastor, with this, because Christians who run in with like a coffee mug and a t-shirt bumper sticker verse aren't helpful.

I've been in tragic situations, and what wasn't helpful, what wasn't helpful was it'll be okay, God has a plan.

It's like, shut up this is hard I just need to I just

you know what I mean I mean you know I didn't sit with this but as time goes by

you you need answers we you and I shared the story of our daughters and how do we wrestle with the the the the uh the the stories our daughters had to live out when we don't think it's fair and I go to Genesis 50 verse 20 where Joseph is talking he's been treated unfairly by his brothers he's been sold into slavery into Egypt into bondage in prison and he's been falsely accused and gone through all sorts of terrible things.

And yet at the end, God exalts him to a place of authority and leadership.

He's able to enact righteousness for the nation and save the nation from famine.

And he looks at his brothers that have sold him into slavery 30 years earlier, and he says, you intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done to save many lives.

And in that, we have a theology that holds.

It's not Satan had intentions that caught God off guard, but he's so big and strong that that he can figure out a response.

It's like, no, no, no.

Even over and above, and sometimes in the tragedy, God is at work because he's bigger than Satan's capacity to take any of us off guard.

And so when people say, yeah, but how can God use evil, hideous acts of violence to bring about any good?

I just look at the cross, Glenn.

Because the crucifixion of the most innocent man to walk the planet was the greatest act of violence and injustice the world has ever known.

And in the moment that Satan thought he won a victory, God was actually bringing about about a great act of global redemption in that same act.

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But even that is a victory as it's going to be used for good by God.

We just can't see it yet.

Josh, I'd like to hold you over if you have time.

Josh McPherson, you can find him at GraceCityChurch.com.

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Welcome to the Glendeck program.

We're talking to Josh McPherson.

He is the pastor, the lead pastor of the Grace City Church in eastern Washington.

What city

are you in, Josh?

The great city of Wenatchee.

Wenatchee, okay, good.

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That's right.

Yeah.

So, Josh,

I want to talk to you about a couple of things.

My son and I are writing a book on men, and we're looking for answers on what does it mean to become a man.

And I want to talk to you a little bit about that

and and talk to you on a longer form as well.

But first, you know, you were talking in the last break about, you know, if you're,

you know, you're either bringing down heaven or pulling up hell.

And it depends on what actions you're doing.

And I really struggle with my job, Josh.

I struggle hard

because I have to tell people bad news a lot of the time.

And

it feels to me that at times what I do can make people just hopeless

because

the problem is so overwhelming.

How do I know if I'm making things worse or better?

That's an important question.

If you don't have an answer, you can ponder it and we can talk off air.

Yeah, no,

I do think I want to reflect on it because

I talked with a friend yesterday, Glenn, and I said, hey, did you hear about it?

And then I shared something

negative in the news.

And

he's like, no, I didn't hear about it.

I know the world's on fire.

I don't need anybody to tell me that.

And I heard in his voice just this sense of like, I know everything is going to hell in a handbasket.

I don't need anyone else to prove it.

It is objectively proving itself before my eyes, not only in the world, Glenn, but in everyone's personal life.

Social media has created this kind of facade of, look how good things are going.

I have yet to meet a person living apart from Christ who is happy, content, whole.

I meet a lot of people who are good at faking it, but across the board, Glenn, people are broken, they are hopeless, they are frustrated, they are hurt, they are wounded, they are in dysfunctional relationships.

Hell is everywhere around them, and people are starved for even an aroma, even a glimpse of heaven.

And I believe that's what men can bring.

And that's why I'm so passionate about men, found the strong imagination.

I believe when the men get stronger, everything gets better.

Everything gets better.

That's why we focus on talking to the men in our church.

It's like, look, I love women.

My gosh, I married one.

They're incredible.

They're the pinnacle of God's creation.

The pinnacle of God's creation.

Don't ever let them outnumber you in the house, though, Josh.

I don't know if you've experienced that, but

it's 50-50 at my house, so we just stopped having kids like this.

I know, I count on the dog.

I'm like, the dog's on my side.

Yeah, you're in zone defense.

So I love women.

I love children.

It's because I do that I talk to the men.

Because when the men get clear, when the men get strong, when the men get humble, when the men become tough to protect women and children from evil and tender to love and listen to women and children, everything gets better.

I believe that the solution, which would be so much fun to talk about later, a longer form, I think the solution to every social problem we are seeing in America is less government, more dads, full stop.

Yes, it is.

It is.

But

men are being made into one of two things.

Either just giant,

I mean, girls,

and

all that that means, I mean, not literally, but now I do, I guess, mean literally as well.

but either that or they're these, it's the Hulk.

I'm going to come in and fix it.

And no, neither of those, those are both caricatures of

man.

That's right.

That's right.

Absolutely.

So the error of manhood is that we acquiesce in our responsibilities to be dangerous, to walk the perimeter, to defend good from evil, and to be someone that evil doesn't want to reckon with.

So we acquiesce that in the home.

It's my job to provide and protect my family physically, spiritually, relationally, emotionally.

We either advocate that or we abuse it with a heavy hand.

I'm the husband, do what I say.

And both of those are perversions of God's good design that said, I made men strong for a reason.

I made them physically stronger.

I made them oftentimes physically bigger.

I made them so that they can protect that which is most precious, namely women and children.

And when men give up that sacred responsibility to be the protector, the provider, the leader, and the tender lover of God, one woman, and humanity, that is the end sign of culture.

When the men lay down their calling of manhood, everyone suffers.

I will tell you that

it may have been you.

I'm not sure where I first heard this, but

in

the way women are becoming much more liberal and men are becoming

much more traditional male than conservative and versus the women who are liberal.

To me, it seems like

that's natural.

That women are much more

the coddler, much more the nurturer, and they see pain and they respond because that's the way they're built.

And they see pain and they embrace it, you know, and try to ease that pain.

Where guys see trouble over the the horizon

and they're like, wait, the Visigoths are coming quickly.

And so you have this,

what's happening politically is actually very natural that's happening

in the youth.

Do you agree with that?

A thousand percent.

And then there's perversions of it on the extremes, but by and large,

the left side of the aisle is very feminine, very soft.

Let's not hurt anybody.

It's like it's...

And it's important.

That's an important part of our life.

It's an important part of our life.

However, I would say that if we lived in a home, and my wife, if she was on this phone call, she would agree with me.

If I let her run with her natural feminine instincts to its end, our kids would never leave the home.

They'd never grow up.

She'd have me pay for everything.

We'd cover their groceries.

And at 20 years old, my son would still be wiping his nose and paying for his groceries.

And that's what's happening with the the progressive left they want to mother our nation to death and it's killing us because what happens is if we mut if if we if the only dynamic in our home was the mother our children would their their maturation process would slow because in order to grow up you have to take more responsibility for yourself and oftentimes um mothers that that's a hard like that's a hard they got a hard time letting them do that because that means their kid might fail or fall and skin his knee and and and so that's when the dad steps in and says it's okay sweetheart he'll be be okay.

Let's give him some space.

He's got to figure these things out for himself.

And so when a nation steps in and decides to over-mother a people through the grave, you know, hey, we'll take care of you through the grave.

You don't need to get up and go out and take a risk and start a business and work long hours

and stand on your own two feet.

We're mothering a nation to death.

And so, now the flip side of that is, you know,

the joke on social media is this is why men don't live as long as women.

we would take our kids out and do crazy things way before they're ready for it.

And it's like, hey, dad, slow down here.

The kid's only three.

Let's try skydiving.

Skydiving next year.

You know what I mean?

Right.

It is

balance.

There is, you know,

we are now living in a world where we're expected to not oppose things.

There is opposition in all things.

And it's the give and the take of the two where they're both

both forces are coming at it.

It's that give and take that makes us and propels us in the right direction.

That's right.

I sometimes use soldier and medic language.

It's a little different than male, female, men, and women.

But in ministry and shepherds and pastors,

some are medics and some are soldiers.

And the problem is right now, the medics are shooting the soldiers.

And so the medics' job is to make sure that the bleeding stops and people are taken care of and they're patched up and

do no harm and make sure people are taken care of, which is very important and necessary and needed.

But if the medics were in charge of the war, they'd say, let's pull back,

let's make sure no one else gets hurt.

And the soldier looks at it and says, hey, I appreciate that.

Keep doing the job of bandaging it up the wounded.

But I've got to take that hill.

And if someone doesn't take out that big gun in the pillbox, we're going to stack more bodies than you have bandages for us.

So you keep doing your medic thing.

I'm going to go charge the hill and take out the bad guys, and then we'll be at peace.

And

when the medics are angry at the soldiers and you're causing more bloodshed and stop doing it, now the soldier has to deal with not only rounds in the front, but rounds in the back.

But when the soldier and the medic work together, caring for the wounded while we take out the evil, it can be a very powerful combination.

I mean this metaphorically,

and that's important to remember as I say this.

Just like with CEOs, there is a wartime CEO and a peacetime CEO.

We are right now struggling between the people who are in America right now are all peacetime Americans.

They don't understand war.

They understand peace.

And we need some wartime citizens that understand, look, look what's coming over the horizon.

You can keep your life, but we've got to prepare because troubled times are coming.

That's right.

And kind of the woke hashtag Me Too movement really was an aggressive movement to kind of neuter the naturally aggressive man.

And I'm not saying, obviously, abuse is horrible.

My gosh, I'll be the first one to step up and bury a man who

uses his strength to abuse women and children.

Nothing makes me see red quicker than that.

And we need to remember that God made men more naturally aggressive.

And being aggressive isn't wrong, and being dangerous isn't wrong.

It's the great gift of God to men for us to take our danger and our size and our aggression and bring it under self-control so that it's danger controlled and that we can release that danger like these dear officers did at the right time in a moment of danger to protect hundreds if not thousands of people from evil and then you know I have a picture in my head going and I get emotional time I tell I'm not sure how long we have but but there's I watched I was a cop for many years and there's this incredible video of

a bad guy who kidnapped his his his girlfriend's child, has him at gunpoint in the middle of a street.

A SWAT team is moving aggressively toward him, and the guy pulls a gun out and puts it at the three-year-old child's heads.

And you're watching this video thinking, my gosh, what's going to happen?

And everyone kind of freezes, and then just this BA dude steps up and at about 15 yards, snaps around right past the three-year-old's head and takes out the bad guy.

I mean, an incredible tactical act of boldness and violence.

and aggression and he runs up and he kicks the gun away he pulls the bad guy away and then he sweeps up the three-year-old child.

And God get emotional because I tell it.

You can hear the body camera.

He's like, put the gun down, put the gun down.

Snap.

Takes care of the bad guy.

Runs up, grabs the kid, and says, Hey, buddy, how you doing?

And he starts doing this whole goo-goo gaga thing with the kid.

He takes him over.

He says, I'm here.

It's okay.

You're safe.

And it was such an incredible picture of swiftness of violence in the face of evil.

And then on a dime, transitioned to that tender warrior that could hold a child and talk lovingly to him to comfort him.

And that's the picture of Jesus.

He's both tough in the face of the enemy and he's tender with us.

And the Bible says we have a high priest who is acquainted with our sufferings.

And so I think we have a picture of the most fully alive man, the ultimate stronger man in the face of Christ Jesus.

He was tough and he was tender.

He was warrior, he was poet.

He was lion and he was lamb.

Josh,

I just love talking to you.

And

we'll talk again.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for your time, Gwen.

God bless.

And Ella May wants me to tell you she's praying for you and she loves you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Josh McPherson from Grace City Church.

He's the lead pastor, GraceCityChurch.com.

You can follow him on Instagram at pastor Josh McPherson.

This guy is a powerful, powerful advocate for God.

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There's this feud going on between

Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson.

I just want my two friends to get along.

You know, just I feel like I'm going to have you both over for dinner and we're going to work this out because this is not.

I can't have my two friends arguing.

That would be a good show.

I'd watch that.

Well, no, that's not.

Gunbeck hosts dinner with Ben Shapiro and Tucker Carlson.

You just tuck it all out.

I love it.

No, I mean our friendship.

We would just get together as friends.

Oh, I don't care about your friendship, but I think it would be a show

it would be a great show but that's that would probably not be the way to work it out Stu that would just be to exploit it you see

well I mean how else is it going to benefit me Glenn I don't understand what was the

I don't even understand your point you know it's so hard because everything is taken out of context and you know

things happen so fast and somebody says something somewhere and then and you just

want my friends to be friends because they're both really good people, and we need them both in the fight.

So,

pray for Ben and

Tucker to get along and see we're really not on the opposite side.

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I hope not.

I hope that they don't think that.

They're just

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Wow.

This is going to come as a shock to you in case you didn't know.

You know, Navalny, the politician that Putin prosecuted and then found him guilty and then put him away in prison forever.

That's usually what happens in crazy dictator-like countries.

But I have some bad news and Stu, prepare yourself.

It's kind of, it's shocking and surprising what has happened to him.

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On the edge of my seat.

I know.

Navalny.

You remember him?

I do.

He was probably the most prominent opposition leader of Putin in Russia.

And

the Russian courts found him guilty of all kinds of things.

There were a lot of charges against Navalny.

And they finally got that guy and put him away.

Can you imagine?

Super legitimate legal process that led to that.

Right.

Imagine what it's like to live in Russia.

Aren't you glad you live here?

So,

we told you a couple of weeks ago, he was taken from, I think he was in Moscow, and he was taken in the middle of the night someplace.

His attorney didn't know where he was for like two weeks.

Finally, they say we took him to the polar wolf Arctic Penal Colony.

Now, this is a place,

it's in the Arctic Circle,

and there is no escape because you go outside and you die.

So, I didn't think this was good for him.

You know, I don't think anybody thought, oh, well, he's going to kick back there.

You know, I think there were some people that thought he didn't even make it there.

You know, somehow or another.

Oh, it's just, he caught a cold.

It was breezy in his head because they found a hole in his head.

But he was out walking.

Ready?

He was out walking last Friday

in the

Polar Wolf Arctic penal colony.

Apparently, he liked to go outside and walk.

Now, does that sound like something in the wintertime, Stu,

that you would recommend?

You know, no, I would not.

And it's, you know, I'm not a fan of exercise generally, but I think this is the type of exercise you should avoid for sure.

Yeah, it's, again, in the Arctic circle.

So he apparently just loved to walk outside, and they've let him.

And they said that,

you know, 47 years old, he's the guy who went after the corruption and opulence of the crooks and thieves of Russia's elites and Putin.

And they said he just

went outside for a walk, and then he came back in and he felt unwell.

And then, you know, they brought him back to the cell and he fell unconscious almost immediately.

And the prison said, quote, all necessary resuscitation measures were carried out,

which did not yield positive results.

Oh, and I'm kidding me.

No, and I am sure they strapped electric wires to him and beat his chest.

That's not the way we would put it here.

I'm sorry.

So Putin was told about the death, and he said,

all broken up.

All broken up.

I think he might have been a little sad because he didn't get to throw this guy from a window, you know?

Mm-hmm.

I mean,

it was a really shock, a huge shocker that this happened.

I was really surprised.

The most surprising death of all time.

Yeah, and I don't think anything else could be said except this.

When I first was told the story,

I heard them say, yeah, he was on a walk at the polar wolf,

and I didn't know that was the name of the prison, and I just misheard them.

I thought they said he was on a walk on the polar roof, Arctic

penal colony.

And just kept walking, forgot to take a left-hand turn.

That's really not a good thing.

I mean, in any, in any way, shape, or form, you're in Russia, don't walk on the roof

just they have a problem I don't know if they're all slippery or what but a lot of people fall from the roof

imagine the the the balls of this guy are like two in the middle of all of this going on like he has no fear at all for any repercussions as to his actions of just killing people

that oppose him has no I mean all the all the the the microscopes that are on every one of his actions right now and does not care at all.

And, you know, I mean, it's, it's incredible.

Yeah, a little bit, a little bit.

We have somebody who's listening earlier to the program.

A friend of mine wrote in because we were talking about

Fannie Willis opening herself up to embezzlement investigations

because her cash, do we have that clip?

Can we play that clip, please, of Fanny Willis talking about the

cash that she has cut to?

But I always have cash at the house.

That has been, I don't know, all my life.

If you're a woman and you go on a date with a man, you better have $200 in your pocket.

So if that man acts up, you can go where you want to go.

So I keep cash in my house, and I don't keep cash as good in my purse like I used to.

I don't go on many dates, but when you go on a date, you should have cash in your pocket.

So my question was: where did that cash originally come from?

It came out of the bank.

Cash is

a Wendy's.

I've had cash for years in my house.

So, for me to tell you the source of when it comes from, when you go to Publix and you buy something, you get $50, you throw it in there.

It's been my whole life.

When I took out a large amount of money on my first campaign, I kept some of the cash of that.

Like, to tell you,

I just have cash in my house.

I don't have as much today as I would normally have, but

I'm building back up now.

You just put money in.

It's a very good practice.

I would advise it to all women.

Sure, sure.

So she right now doesn't have thousands and thousands of dollars in cash like she used to,

but she's building back up.

Okay.

And look, I think she's right.

I think it's a good piece of advice that if you're going out on a date, you have a couple hundred bucks in your purse because you never know what's going to happen.

You want to make sure you're prepared for anything.

I think that's a good thing for everybody to do.

A lot of people don't use cash now, and so they don't carry it ever.

And it's like, well, you never know when there's a credit card machine down or the ATM is broke.

Who knows what's going to happen?

Be prepared with a couple hundred bucks.

Sure.

Yeah.

$4,000 that you're just handing over on random occasions constantly to your boyfriend to pay for luxurious trips all over the world?

Nah, not so confident.

Not necessarily the same advice.

Look, she took some money out of her first campaign and kept some of that cash.

Now, here's the good news: because

I just got a

letter in from a friend who said,

So, did Fannie Willis open herself up to an embezzlement investigation?

She stated her cash hoard, cash was fungible.

She used some of her cash hoard for her campaign.

Generally, that means she loaned her own cash to the campaign.

Perfectly legal if you keep records of the money and how much money is moving.

When it was over, presumably she got paid back from her campaign via donors, I guess.

Remember, she was allegedly a Soros-backed DA candidate.

She kept some of that, she said.

Well, there must,

capital letters, must be records of both of those transactions because there's no way her campaign could have paid her back in cash.

So at least she opened herself up to campaign finance investigation for how the money got in and out of her campaign and how she got paid back and how she turned the check or the bank wire from her campaign back to into cash for her hoard.

Even if her campaign paid her back in cash, there must be a record.

Otherwise, it's not legal.

Kemp could refer this in and of itself to the state prosecutor's office and likely appoint a special prosecutor for investigation on this.

I mean, it could theoretically be, right, that she withdrew this cash.

She at one point talked about withdrawing $50,000 to pay for her campaign expenses in a campaign that she lost previously.

And so she was complaining about how she had no money.

And this is one of those.

That's not possible.

It's not possible.

Well, she talked, this is what she said she did.

I know, but may I just, have you ever tried to withdraw a large sum of money from the bank?

$10,000, $5,000?

Yeah, I mean, not often, but

attempted.

Okay,

I don't know.

Attempted.

Okay.

So you go in and you ask for $50,000 in cash.

You never do it.

The bank will tell you, we don't have that cash.

You'll have to come back Tuesday or next week week at some point.

Is that true?

Oh, yeah.

The reason I asked that, I was just reading this story from, and I think it was in our, it's in your email newsletter today, but it's a story about

the personal finance woman at New York magazine who got a call from someone who said they were from the government and needed her to put $50,000 into a shoebox and hand it to a guy in a car that was passing by, and she did it.

So I don't know that I'm taking your advice in future columns,

but she said in that story that she went in and withdrew $50,000 from her bank account.

And

the woman, they didn't even ask.

The bank didn't even ask her what it was for, which is, to me, it was shocking.

Well,

the bank doesn't have to, but she would be setting off alarms over $10,000.

It would be reported to the government.

But I know.

I have asked for a sum of money

and was going to buy something in cash.

And

I was put through the ringer on it and told it would be two weeks beforehand because all of the money in the bank, at least this is the way it is in Texas, all of the money in our banks is not in the vault.

They take that every night and they bring it to the treasury.

And then the bank has to say how much money they need for daily operation.

So when you go take a large sum of money out, you can't do it right away.

Now, maybe that's different in Atlanta, but I highly doubt it.

You know, and why would you take out cash?

Well, yeah, yeah, and this is what I was trying to get to is like, if you took, if you had $50,000 in the bank and you wanted to use it for your campaign, you would either take $50,000 out, as you pointed out, and loan it to your campaign, which would be a very normal way politicians, you wouldn't do that in cash, of course, but it would be a normal thing that politicians do.

They take money out and loan to the campaign all the time.

That's very normal.

However,

you would either do it that way, and then there would be all the problems you just discussed, or you could theoretically take this money out for some reason and not, and give it to the campaign as it's needed, right?

Like you wouldn't necessarily give it all at once.

But there'd be no reason to do that in cash form.

If you had to withdraw it from the bank anyway, you wouldn't put $50,000 at your house and then loan $1,000 a week to your campaign.

I mean, it makes no sense at all.

Why would you have $50,000?

Why would you want it in your house?

No, it's a terrible idea.

But when you found out that you had that in your house, it makes you and your family a a target.

And like, I don't know.

Why would you want that?

And how could they find out unless you happened to testify about it in front of the entire country and tell everyone that you usually have tens of thousands of dollars at your home, which she did yesterday, which is a terrible idea.

Terrible.

And even he said, well, you know, if I had that much money in my house, I would never say that.

Why would I say that?

It'd make me a target.

He said that.

She's like, well, I don't have as much now.

You know,

I've got, you know, maybe a couple hundred bucks, but I used to keep hundreds of thousands of dollars.

Millions, billions of dollars.

I could go on vacation.

I like to pay, you know, I like to pay everything in cash because it doesn't,

honestly, it doesn't bring up any suspect,

you know, on my name or reputation.

I go to the airport and I say I want a ticket to Aruba, and I just put $4,000 down at the airport.

They love it.

They love it.

Actually, no, I have my boyfriend pay for it on his business card, and then I give him cash in return.

It's even worse than you bringing the cash to the airport.

So

if he turned that in, that bank statement, to his business, did he get reimbursed for it?

Right.

Or

did he come to the cashier and just pay that in cash

at his place of business?

It's unclear.

He kind of made it seem...

They did follow up and try to basically get him on the idea that he deducted this as a business expense, which he denied.

He said he did not deduct it as a business expense.

So he, you know, and this happens, you know, especially if you're a small business owner, sometimes you put stuff on your card.

You don't even mean to.

That's a personal thing, and you have to make sure you keep detailed records to make sure that you know that that is not a business expense because you.

Detective detector.

Anybody who has these sorts of arrangements, if you have a small business or something, you know how crazy you have to be on this stuff because they'll go after you for anything.

So you have to keep detailed records.

You know, if you transfer money from one account to another, you in the note, you make sure you put in there, this is for a personal expense.

Like you have to make sure you're really on top of this and you use the right cards for the right circumstances all the time.

Because any competent person who really cares about getting this stuff right is going to make sure they're all over it.

Oh my gosh, these two would be an IRS dream.

Imagine me and an agent going, please look, please assign them to me.

Please let me look at it.

All right.

And by the way,

if they weren't liberals, the IRS would already be knocking at their door.

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All right.

There's

There's some really interesting things going on in the AI world.

Did you see what OpenAI has done lately?

Stu?

Yeah, the video situation, which is

a video.

You open up a chat box and you say, hey, I want you to create a scene of two lovers walking down the street hand in hand in, you know, China or Japan.

That's exactly what was typed into

this new

chat GPT.

And this is the scene.

Now, if you look at that,

it's really good, but you could tell that it's AI, correct?

You could see that that's computer generated.

But it's for being typed in

and then just generated from that, that is incredible.

Yeah, and I thought that was,

I saw the same one

on the Tokyo streets.

That was, I thought, the weakest one.

I mean, the one with the, there is the, there's a puppy dog one that looks really realistic.

Here is the puppy dog.

Two puppy dogs playing in the snow.

You would not have any idea that that was fake.

No.

Would you?

No, and they're absolutely adorable.

Look at that.

They got the snow all over their face.

They had

the woolly mammoth walking through the snow is another one that was created, again, by a sentence of text.

And, you know, this is coming so far, so fast.

It's going to be fascinating to see how we unwind this.

This is another one, Glenn, that you keep bringing this up.

That a therapist once told you, you know, sometimes you have to sit back and say, this is going to be really interesting to see how this plays out.

That is where I am on this AI stuff right now because it's really bad.

Who knows?

Can you imagine where this is going to go when it comes to, you know, you want to talk about it?

I can imagine.

That's why you don't sleep.

I can imagine it.

And it's both things, too.

It also gives you like a,

someone, I can't remember the phrase I heard used to describe this.

I think it was the liar's dividend, but it was basically that, like, it also works the other side.

Let's just say Joe Biden is actually caught on tape saying, yes, we're going to manipulate laws to benefit our business and I'm going to get money from Hunter Biden and blah, blah, blah.

Whatever the thing is.

He would just say it was AI and at least half the country would believe him.

Like now real things are going to go the opposite way.

I know.

Fake things are going to be thought that they are real.

We are really at that point.

Yeah, you won't know because you won't be able to verify one way or another.

Only the experts are going to be able to verify.

Is that real or is that AI?

I mean, Stu, we are now at the time.

I know I've said this to you since 97.

There will come a time when you will not be able to believe your ears or your eyes.

We're there.

We are there.

We just haven't been truly tested with it yet.

But that test is coming and I'm guessing that test is coming sometime before November.

We'll see.

More on this coming up.

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It is Friday.

What is it that we haven't really hit yet, Stu, that

is very, very important to hit, do you think?

That's a good question.

I know we've certainly gone over

much of the Fannie Willis or Fonnie Willis nonsense today, and that's

amazing.

And it goes into her

embrace of

constant accusation of racism to explain her own behavior and all the things coming her way.

One thing I would love to talk about if you have time, maybe this weekend, and you have to read this book.

You have to read this book.

Okay, what is it?

It's by Coleman Hughes.

It's his new book.

And it is, let's see if I can just get the name of it real quick.

Because I just finished reading it, and it is the best book on race that I've read in quite a long time.

Oh, I love those books on race.

You will legitimately love this book.

I think the subtitle of it, oh, here it is, The End of Race Politics, Arguments for a Colorblind America.

Oh, my gosh.

Wait, wait.

End of race politics.

Arguments for a Colorblind America is the subtitle.

And it goes through how

the civil rights movement was founded completely on a basis of an argument for colorblindness and how the left and

people like Ibram Kendi and Robin DiAngelo have taken that message and

at the same time, kind of adopting it and adopting the good vibes around Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement generally, but have completely changed the message to the CRT stuff that we all kind of observe today.

And he just goes through piece after piece of evidence as to why this was not the initial idea, why it's harmful,

where it came from,

and how flawed it is in every respect, and

what the solutions are to solve this problem.

If you don't know who Coleman Hughes is, he's an African-American gentleman making these arguments, which I guess makes him not a racist, or I guess we have to call him some sort of, I don't know exactly what kind of racist he is.

He has to be a racist if he's making these arguments.

But the end of the story is it's an excellent, excellent book, you know, and something, it's an important book, I think.

It's one of those things that should change the dynamic.

And I think, like, if,

even with people who who are on the left, I think this would be

an effective message.

Because I think if you put his words next to Ibram Kendi's words, there's almost no one in America that would choose Ibram Kendi.

You know,

the idea that the only solution for past discrimination is present discrimination and the only solution for

present discrimination is future discrimination, that is totally against what I think

even left-wing Americans believe.

And looking at this as just saying, hey, let's give everybody equal opportunity and not

be outwardly racist like we saw 40, 50 years ago.

Approaching it from a colorblind perspective and doing everything we can to encourage

colorblindness in everything from resumes to college applications and all these things is a real positive.

And honestly, I think every Democrat that at least I know would agree with that.

So

I've got to read it, despite the fact that you said it's a very important book.

I really do think it is, though.

There's a few of those that I've said to feel that way about.

Yeah.

It sounds like that way, but nobody ever wants to go to a movie that's a very important movie.

It's also very interesting.

It's well-presented.

You're right.

I don't want to seem

that makes it sound ostentatious, but it's like, it really, I think it really is in this moment, Glenn, something.

Like, as soon as I was finished reading it, I'm like, Glenn Beck has to do a podcast with this guy.

Like, you have to have an hour-long conversation.

Let's line it up.

Let's line it up.

I'll start reading the book.

Students in Seattle English class were told that their love of reading and writing is a characteristic of white supremacy.

This is in the Seattle Public Schools, high school.

The lesson plan, one local father speaking out, calling it educational malpractice, said as part of the Black Lives Matter program at school week,

The world literature and composition students at Lincoln High School were given a handout with definitions of the nine characteristics of white supremacy.

According to the father of a student, given the subject matter of the class, father wound up saying, Please, can you not use my name?

The Seattle high schoolers were told that worship of the written word is white supremacy because it is an erasure of the wide range of ways we communicate with each other.

That's why, unless you speak,

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And

it's hard to get the meaning out of a book with.

Anyway, the world.

You've really mastered that accent.

You've mastered that accent.

You can't tell that I'm not just a native speaker.

Anyway, I'm learning that language.

I just want you to know.

I'm not even good at the English language, but I have a feeling I could master that one.

That's me saying, maybe not, though.

Maybe not.

By this definition, the very subject of world literature and composition is racist.

It's racist to honor, a form,

what is written.

and even only when it's written to a narrow standard full of misinformation and lies.

That's what they're learning in Seattle.

Meanwhile, San Francisco has reversed their equitable ban on middle school algebra, and all the kids are very disappointed in that.

Very, very

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The Transgender Issues Charter School has some people really upset.

I can't imagine...

I can't imagine why.

It's just a whole charter school that's based around gender and your gender environment.

National magazine has named drag queen Patty Gonia

as Traveler of the Year.

Wait, she's the Traveler of the Year?

What?

Traveler of the Year.

Yeah.

How do you win that award exactly?

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

I think I probably could have told you before, but now Pattagonia has been

she's an intersectional environmentalist drag queen who advocates for inclusivity in the outdoors.

So

are we not?

I think we should probably leave that where it is, don't you think?

It's interesting because the only time I can remember anyone being banned from going outdoors was when they stopped us doing that from COVID.

Like Gavin Newsom didn't allow you to go to the beach.

But are we not going to be able to do that?

No, no, no, she wants you to be inclusive in the outdoors.

Right.

Was there a fight against inclusivity of the outdoors?

Have you ever been into the woods?

My gosh, you bigot.

Have you ever been in the woods?

I try not to go in the woods.

The white owls just mock the other owls.

No, is that what happened?

I guess if a tree falls on one, we wouldn't know about it.

The white ferrets that are out there,

they command all of the other ferrets.

Are there white?

I've never seen a white ferret.

I guess there are.

Of course there are.

Of course there are, Stu.

The white ferrets control the woods.

But I'm not going to tell it to you.

You'll never get it.

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So it's been a long week.

We get complaints all the time here, and normally we don't respond to them because they're just, you know, we can't help it.

But somebody said earlier on in the program,

it was wildly inappropriate what we were saying about Fannie Willis.

And I don't, do you recall any of this, Stu?

No, we were very

Fonnie.

Maybe they were saying they don't like the way you're saying Fanny Willis.

Oh, okay.

So Fonnie Willis.

And I don't remember.

Can you play back the part where people said that they were offended?

There was this other thing.

Their interaction was fascinating between Wade and Willis.

Willis continually kept talking about bizarre relationship details that she was not being asked about.

Did you notice this?

This was fascinating.

Oh, yeah, no.

How could, if you watched it,

how could you miss it?

At one point, like, she kept making this distinction as to when their relationship ended.

She claims it ended in August, and he, she, he didn't say this, but she claims that he thinks the relationship ended in June or July because that was the last time they had sex.

And she kept bringing this up.

Like, you know, you know how men are.

Men think relationships stop the last time you have sex.

And I believe it stops when you have an uncomfortable conversation, the breakup conversation.

Well, hang on just a second, Stu.

May I just point out?

He also believes that his marriage is over,

you know, long before the divorce proceedings, when you're testifying, did you have an affair during your marriage?

And the answer is no,

and you're still married and seeing someone, you don't get to say in a court of law, well, yeah, but that's not how I define marriage.

Right.

So it's these people.

So go ahead.

I will say, in this day and age, you do get to occasionally make up definitions of marriage.

That is something that we have learned over the years you are occasionally able to do.

But so she, so she was saying, okay, well, that's how men think.

Now, again, I guess you're just able to just trash all men.

That's how men think.

Now, I don't know guy who's like, actually, we broke up on Tuesday, but I think of the relationship ending last Thursday because we hooked up last Thursday.

Like, I don't know guys who think that way, but okay, let's just take that as it is.

Then that was not something they were asking about, though.

They were not saying like, you know,

specifically

she wanted to tell the story so bad.

And then she says, he, you know, she starts going into the details of their breakup conversation.

And the attorney cuts.

Now, you're not supposed to do this as an attorney.

You want the witness to just run their mouth and hopefully give you details you didn't think were coming.

The attorney cuts her off and says, Yeah, no, I'm not asking about the details of your conversation.

You don't need to go into that.

I'm not asking about that.

She interrupts him and says, Oh, well, you should ask about that.

Oh, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I have to also lead that she went on a a rage

about how she was being personally violated.

Her most important relationships have been hung out for everybody to see, and she is offended that anybody would do that to her.

Right.

And then she's

giving all sorts of details and multiple times tries to bring up

that Nathan Wade, the guy she was sleeping with, had erectile dysfunction problems.

She attempts to do it multiple times, and the attorneys keep confident.

I'm really grossed out.

We don't need to know this.

We don't need to know this information.

At one point, and eventually she gets to the point where she can bring it up because

the attorneys are trying to get the timeline of this relationship.

Again, multiple witnesses are saying it started in 2019.

They're denying that.

So he's like, well, what about in 2022?

Did you guys have a relationship?

Her point on that is it was impossible for us to have a relationship because he had some sort of cancer, which apparently gave him erectile dysfunction.

And

again, they keep trying to cut her off before she says this stuff.

She eventually gets it out and then says,

And then says, I'm sorry.

She says, well, I mean, he had issues that would make a relationship impossible if you know what I mean, but I am not going to emasculate a black man.

and the she's like did it wait wait a minute what like we didn't ask you about this and he's so shocked he's like uh what and she says i will not

emasculate a black man and then sits back

it was incredible and you gotta think this guy nathan wade who's by the way trying to share this bs story about cash payments and when the relationships start like they're on the same team.

They've obviously arranged this story.

And he's like, why are you talking about my wiener?

There's no reason to be.

Why is that?

Why are you doing that?

You wouldn't speak about a relationship if you saw his wiener.

That's funny.

That was her defense.

Her defense.

It was.

This guy couldn't perform at all.

Let me tell you about what he tried to do this one time.

Ma'am, stop.

Can I ask you this?

What I find so infuriating is their logic never

meets.

It is never complete.

So on one hand,

she is talking about how we can't have a relationship.

It's impossible.

He just asked if your relationship.

We couldn't have because his wiener wouldn't work.

Earlier, when she's asked about relationship ending, she says guys only think of that as sex, women think of it differently.

Wait, no, apparently, you think about the sex too, because they asked you about your relationship.

Not, you know,

not as wiener.

She said it was impossible without that factor, and then later on said that it's the exact opposite stance.

Exact opposite.

Incredible.

It is really.

Well, Stu, I don't know about you, but I don't think we have anything to apologize for.

It might have gotten a little too medical and technical there at the end.

Yeah, you know, sometimes we get too deep into biology and we realize not everyone's a scientist.

I got that.

That's our conversation.

If you didn't watch this testimony yesterday, we couldn't stop watching it.

You've got to watch it.

It is so entertaining.

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