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Today is Friday, so we're gonna go through some of the crazy news that happened this week.

We also are gonna tell you about what the latest is, and I'll show it to you happening in real time.

What the World Economic Forum is saying that is the number one problem, and I'll show you how it's being implemented, their correction in real time.

Also, we have Douglas Murray on.

This half hour, in about a half an hour, we have

Senator Eric Schmidt from Missouri.

He's coming on.

He's going to explain the opportunity that the Supreme Court has right now to dismantle the administrative state, something that the left is freaking out over.

Also today, Douglas Murray joins us.

Douglas is one of the guys who's on the target list.

of the World Economic Forum to silence him because he is so well spoken.

He's from England.

We're going to have him on coming up in just a few minutes.

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Let me show you a couple of things that are happening at the World Economic Forum in Davos 2024.

They're saying that they're...

They're starting to become a little more conservative.

You know, they've invited some conservatives over there, you know, and

they think maybe they've gone a little too far.

Really?

I don't believe you at all,

nor should anyone else.

Why?

Because they are progressing on everything that they're talking about anyway.

They will have a new world order if it is up to them.

Here's the World Bank president talking about developing nations.

Now,

what do you need to become a developing nation?

Okay, you need skilled labor, you need cheap energy,

and that's pretty much it.

If you have cheap energy and skilled labor, you can totally transform your country.

Okay, here's the World Bank on

developing nations.

Listen to this.

Europe lives on natural gas.

America generates a great deal of natural gas as well.

How can we tell the developing world that they cannot have access to natural gas as part of the transition

if we live on it ourselves?

And so I think there's a little bit of the issue of trust in each other.

I actually believe that if you open the taps of natural gas everywhere, you won't be able to close it again.

So the wrong answer is to say, let me just do what I want.

The correct answer is to say, what's the right way of bridging this situation?

These are hard topics.

They get emotional.

They get political.

And as someone said at a lunch a little while ago, the challenge with politics is we know what we need to do.

The problem in the democratic world is you probably won't get elected again if you do it.

Yeah.

Probably why you're engaging in all kinds of propaganda.

Stu, can you help me out?

When did natural gas become an enemy of the planet?

Well, it's a fossil fuel, Glenn, as you know.

Now, it's interesting because at the same time, they'll say, look at all the progress we've made.

We've done all these amazing things.

Everyone's finally listening to us and turning green.

All the gains they've been able to muster have been from natural gas.

Correct.

Correct.

You know, going from something like coal to natural gas is a big cut in emissions.

They get big reductions in their numbers.

They have come down because of that, going from one fossil fuel to another, and then they claim success and now want more, you know, solar panels.

So, yeah, no, I mean, it's, it's, I, they've always said eventually they want to get away from it.

Some people will say, well, it's, it's a step in the right direction.

Others just want it to be taken offline.

Well, he wants the world to understand that once we open the taps for developing nations, if we start sending them natural gas and they start developing, you'll never be able to shut it off.

And that just can't happen.

Evil.

That's an evil sentiment, isn't it?

It is.

You know, if we don't, if we give them civilization, they might want to keep it.

And it's like, what a disgusting way to look at a bunch of other people,

a billion other people.

Just like, we can't let them develop.

We can't let them have heating and cooling.

We can't let them have electricity and modern medicine because then they'll keep wanting it.

And that's bad.

What kind of worldview is that?

So let me go to the Heritage President.

Heritage,

they were invited

to speak out and tell us what the world would be like with a new Republican administration.

So Kevin Roberts went and he laid it out for him in no uncertain terms.

Here's a bit of his speech yesterday.

The thing that I want to drive home here, the very reason that I'm here at Davos, is to explain to many people in this room and who are watching, with all due respect, nothing personal, but that you're part of the problem.

Political elites tell the average people on three or four or five issues that the reality is X when in fact reality is Y.

Take immigration.

Elites tell us that open borders and even illegal immigration are okay.

The average person tells us in the United States that both rob them of the American way of life.

They're right.

President Trump will take that on on behalf of the average American.

Elites also tell us that public safety isn't a problem in big American cities.

Just travel to New York or Washington or Dallas, Texas.

The average person will tell you that the lack of public safety damages not just the American way of life, but their life.

President Trump will take that on.

Thirdly, I guess the favorite at the World Economic Forum, is climate change.

Elites tell us that we have this existential crisis with so-called climate change, so much so that climate alarmism is probably the greatest cause for mental health crisis in the world.

The The solutions, the average person know,

based on climate change, are far worse and more harmful and cost more human lives, especially in Europe during the time that you need heating, than do the problem and the problems themselves.

Fourth, two more here, Robin.

The fourth, China.

The number one adversary, not just to the United States, but to free people on planet Earth.

Not only do we at at Davos not say that, we give the Chinese Communist Party a platform.

Count on President Trump ending that nonsense.

And fifth, as we sit here, another supranational organization, the World Health Organization, is discussing foisting gender ideology upon the global South.

These are practices that are under review, if not being rejected, by countries in Northern Europe.

The new president, especially if it's President Trump, will, as you like to say, trust the science.

He will understand the basic biological reality of manhood and womanhood.

And do you know why?

Not because of retribution, not because he's a dictator, but because he has the power of the American people behind him.

And it's connected to Senator Portman's excellent point that in addition to needing a vigorous executive, we look forward to having the popular will inform both the House and Senate in 2025 to pass laws on all of those issues and many others.

Ultimately, Robin,

I think President Trump, if in fact he wins a second term, is going to be inspired by the wise words of Javier Millet,

who said that he was in power not to guide sheep, but to awaken lions.

That's what the average American and the average free person on planet Earth wants out of leaders.

They didn't like his talk or his appearance on the panel

very much.

In fact, they're going the other other way.

They're talking about liberating science now, which is focused on disinformation as it relates to the climate change agenda and everything else.

So they've been talking about how the number one problem now is disinformation and misinformation.

That is the key problem for this year.

Number one, short-term risk facing the world.

It's not interstate armed conflict, war, climate change, lack of economic opportunity.

Societal polarization, which is closely linked to misinformation and disinformation, actually comes in third.

So

really?

Wow, we've got to take care of that this year.

Why?

Because there are more elections, free elections happening this year than any other time in human history.

The elites know they're in trouble if you awaken the lions.

But I want to show you, they have been saying all week, they've been talking about how they've got to get a handle on disinformation and misinformation.

So let's look at what's happening in real time.

This is from the Washington Post.

The internet has been a huge boon for the accessibility of information.

There are a few barriers to consuming classic literature or detailed scientific analysis or catalogs of news reports.

There's also an exorbitant amount of garbage information, of course, and the entire universe of people who say stuff that think will get people clicks and they'll earn themselves some money.

While confidence in American institutions has been in decline for some time, it's not hard to imagine how the economic incentives of the internet contribute.

There is an outsized appetite for derogatory, counterintuitive, or anti-institutional assessments of the world around us.

Counterintuitive.

I don't know men having babies.

That seems counterintuitive.

This is part because of the alleged scandals that are increasing, and in part because Americans like to view themselves as independent analysts of the world around us.

The result is there's both a supply and a demand for nonsense or appealingly framed errors.

Americans who have little little trust in the system can easily find something to reinforce their skepticism and they often do.

This article goes on to say you should not do your own research.

You need to find someone you trust and just listen to them.

If I am someone that you happen to trust,

let me just say,

I do not ask for your trust.

I ask that you do your own homework and keep an open mind even when you think you're absolutely right.

If we are not listening to other points of view, then we are saying we know everything.

I don't know everything.

I hope I'm wrong on a lot of this stuff.

Don't think I am.

But as soon as somebody comes into my world and says, look, this is the way it is, and can show me logically, not just shut up, hate monger, but can show me the case logically.

I'm there.

I'm there.

I don't want to believe these things, but I do.

And what are those things that we believe in?

Well, not the things that the elites now believe in.

Here's another one.

This is from NBC News.

Disinformation poses an unprecedented threat in 2024, and the U.S.

isn't ready.

This according to researchers, technologists, and political scientists, As presidential election approaches, experts warn that a convergence of events at home and abroad on traditional and social media and amid an environment of rising authoritarianism, deep distrust, and political and social unrest, it makes the dangers from propaganda, falsehoods, and conspiracy theories more dire than ever.

A U.S.

presidential election comes during a historic year.

Billions of people voting in elections in more than 50 countries all over Europe, India, Mexico, South Africa.

And it comes at a time of ideal circumstances for disinformation and the people who spread it.

An increasing number of voters have proven susceptible to disinformation from Donald Trump and his allies.

Artificial intelligence technology is ubiquitous.

Social media companies have slashed efforts to rein in misinformation on their platforms.

and attacks on the work and reputation of academics tracking disinformation have chilled the research.

Wow,

that is, I'm so glad we have this information.

This information is trust the experts.

You know,

for instance, the good folks at CNN, who in October of 2016, when there was WikiLeaks and all of the Clinton emails, Chris Cuomo told his viewers, it's illegal for you to possess emails leaked by the website WikiLeaks, and you should not read them.

Rely entirely on the media to learn about their context and content.

Oh,

wow.

So he's got special powers.

You shouldn't read it, but he will, and then he'll explain it to you because he speaks Latin.

He's He's the high priest.

How about this one?

How about the border?

How about COVID?

How about the masks?

How about six-foot distancing?

How about the lab leak?

That was completely, completely ridiculous.

By the way, news story out from Blaze.

Chinese researchers reportedly identified and mapped the COVID-19 virus weeks before China notified the world.

The alarming findings raised serious concerns about China's transparency regarding the initial coronavirus outbreak.

We told you this in the first year.

We knew it, but we were conspiracy theorists.

I had it dead to rights.

I showed you on the timeline.

These things only make sense if they were already ahead of the game.

It's the only way it made any sense.

It would be counterintuitive to think that it wasn't a lab leak.

But we were conspiracy theorists and now we know, oh,

the rest of the story.

Now we know the truth.

So I just ask you every time you hear somebody say conspiracy theory, you ask yourself, have they been right right on all of the other conspiracy theories or have they been wrong?

You have to do your own homework.

Sorry, Washington Post.

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Oh, by the way, as we're talking about misinformation, let me share one other thing.

While the Department of Homeland Security has allowed as many as 10 million immigrants, immigrants, to flood our southern border, the domestic surveillance state has prioritized something more important.

This, according to now found documents by the Media Research Center, DHS paid $700,000 from a counterterrorism program to a self-described, self-described propaganda network to attack conservatives.

The source of the funding was the Targeted Violence and Terrorism Prevention Grant Program, which was created under Barack Obama to target al-Qaeda.

That was put on hold and then revived by then-acting DHS head Kevin McAllen.

With Miles Taylor, the infamous and insufferable anonymous resistance within the Trump administration, that funding circumvented the White House budgeting process.

The beneficiary of the grant under President Joe Biden is the already taxpayer-funded University of Rhode Island's Media Education Lab.

Propaganda can also be used for social beneficial purposes, the application read as it outlined its own counter-propaganda model.

Indeed, because the public has long been recognized as being suggestible, the United States has long use and has used for beneficial propaganda purposes during World War I, World War II, and the Cold War.

So these people went out, they partnered with the White House and the federal government with your tax dollars to equate MAGA supporters as anti-Semites and blaming Donald Trump for creating a darker, scarier, angry, less hopeful country.

Propaganda proven

done by the people who are lecturing us about disinformation.

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I don't think I'm going to be having any of that.

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and just ordered a pizza.

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We're gonna talk some sexy, sexy things right now.

It's going to get kind of steamy in here.

Because we are going to talk about, ooh,

that Supreme Court case that's so supreme.

Chevron

deference.

Oh, yeah.

And we have the super hot.

Super sexy Senator Eric Schmidt, who must appreciate

this.

this intro.

Hello, Eric.

How are you?

Senator Glenn,

that's why you're a Hall of Famer.

Only you.

I'm thinking about having you on, and I'm like, nobody wants to talk about Chevron deference because it's not sexy at all.

Oh, man.

That's good.

So anyway,

Chevron deference is so important.

What is happening this week, and we'll find out in June,

could be, it's not the silver bullet, but it is one of the silver bullets to put our country back onto a constitutional balance of power.

Can you explain Chevron deference?

Yeah, that's exactly right.

And so this is not getting a lot of play.

So I appreciate you making this as interesting as possible because it's one of these things that has happened and really one of the building blocks, this Chevron deference of the administrative state that is really antithetical to the vision of the founders.

You know, it's accountability, dispersing power.

So, back in the 1990s.

Just a second, Eric.

Okay, Sarah, can you help him out a little bit, just a little bit there?

And

go ahead and hit that again.

And then, Garrett, go ahead.

Go ahead.

Yeah.

So, um, I'm going to have to tune that out.

I'm going to have to, since I'm shooting free throws, and people are yelling at me.

But, um, so basically, Woodrow Wilson, who I would argue is maybe the worst president in our country's history.

I'm going to whisper Woodrow Wilson.

But anyway, so

you see the growth of these agencies over time and all these alphabet agencies that take on enormous power over people's lives.

They can destroy businesses and livelihoods and take away liberty.

How did we get here?

One of the reasons we got here is there's this case called Chevron that was decided in the 1980s that basically said, look,

if Congress hasn't specifically spelled something out, if there's some ambiguity, we're going to defer to an agency's interpretation of that as long as it's quote unquote reasonable.

So what that has led to over time is...

the courts just saying things are ambiguous and then agreeing and going along with an agency's interpretation.

This case that's in front of the Supreme Court right now, this book called Looperbright or Relentless, which I think is a better name.

There's a second plaintiff.

Essentially, there was a 1970s law that said

for

a fishery management plan that

would allow observers to be on the vessel.

Okay, so that's kind of how it worked.

There were observers on the vessel.

The government was paying for the observers.

Then all of a sudden, more recently, the agency said, well, now you've got to pay for the observers.

And they said, well, wait a minute.

That's never how it's been done before.

And where does that say in the statute?

And of course, it doesn't say in the statute.

An agency just wanted it that way.

So they lost at the lower court level.

This issue is now in front of the Supreme Court.

It's on that particular issue, but it's about this broader Chevron deference issue.

If my hope is that the conservative justices would overturn Chevron, this is sort of a holy grail for people who want to get back to how our founders viewed the role of government, which is...

Correct me if I'm wrong, Eric.

I mean, wasn't this written by Scalia?

Yeah.

no, it's actually one of the great paradoxes.

Later on, so he was an advocate for it.

And then later on, as it played out, he soured on the idea.

And so, yeah, it's one of the great, it's one of the great ironies.

I mean, Justice Scalia, maybe, maybe the greatest, if not one of the greatest justices of all time.

And the climate, I think, was different.

They viewed it a little bit differently then, but certainly how it's played out.

This has been a total disaster.

So, as you know, when I was AG and now in the Senate, my maiden speech was about two great threats to the Republic, the narrowing of the bandwidth of free speech, and then the growth of the administrative state.

And there's a few things we can do, like Senator Lee and I are taking on the Reins Act, which would say Congress should have to vote on any new regulation before it goes into effect.

That would slow this thing down.

You should make them pull back three regs before they issue one reg.

There are some things you can do that's deep structural reform.

But this court case that was argued in front of the Supreme Court yesterday, that'll probably be handed out, handed down in June, would a long way in the legal process of defanging these agencies because no longer would the courts just say, well, the agency's in charge of this.

This is what they've said.

We're going to go with that.

Instead, they'll look to the statute and say, what does the statute actually say?

And if it doesn't allow it, the tie doesn't go to the runner or the agency.

The tie actually goes to the individual.

And so

you would empower Congress.

They would have to take their power back.

They'd have to to pass the laws and the regulations, which is the way it's supposed to work.

Give me a real life, big example on how this could change the average person's life if they go, they get rid of this.

Well, in the broadest sense, you're right.

The Article I branch or Congress, they're no saints in this either.

They have willingly ceded this authority to the agencies because here's the game that gets played in Washington is they say, they go back home and say I voted for the greatest bill in the world yep and then they say somebody asks a question they say but I can't believe what the EPA just did right yeah so they get to have it both ways and what I want to see and I think what you want to see and what others want to see is make us accountable for this so if you're going to pass a law that deals with you know greenhouse emissions right well part of the problem now is Congress hasn't done that.

Congress hasn't signed on to the Green New Deal, right?

So all of this effort that the money that's going to China now, all of this is being done by these agencies because the president wants their agencies to go do this.

So this would say basically,

listen, if Congress hasn't weighed in on this, you don't get to do it.

We're not just going to defer to you because you claim there's some ambiguity in the statute from the 1950s.

So this would put the onus back on Congress.

And that's where it should be.

Because ultimately, if you think about the system we have, it's meant to spread out power vertically, horizontally through separation of powers and federalism, right?

That's one piece of it.

but it's also based on accountability because every six years in the senate and every two years in the house you have to go before the voters and they can actually now say were you in favor of this did you support this did you vote yes or did you vote no on this as opposed to blaming it on some agency that nobody has any idea who the deputy undersecretary of you know some agency never heard of is well already you know we're reading reports that the biden administration is looking for looking to the administrative officials on ways that they can block anything that Trump might do if he comes in.

And that's the problem.

The president can come in, but if the structure is there, it's so deep and so

intertwined with everything,

it will take massive time and shears to start cutting those things back.

And meanwhile, they just keep adding more and more and more.

That's right.

And we had, when I was attorney general, we had the student loan debt forgiveness case, for example.

Yes.

We took that all the way to Supreme Court and won.

Glenn,

that was a half a trillion dollars that the president thought, relying on some statute that didn't apply, that he could wipe away a half a trillion dollars worth of student loan debt to fulfill a campaign promise.

That is not what this country is supposed to be about.

What's supposed to happen is the question should be put before Congress, do you want to do this or not?

And then we vote on it.

And so I do think this case will go a long way in putting that accountability back in our system.

And,

you know, people, I think an important point here is beyond just the specifics of how it's going to help individuals or businesses, you know, reign in government, there is also a real important kernel of truth in all this.

If you want to understand why people are so frustrated, I think, with what goes on in Washington is they feel like they send people there and things don't really ever change.

And part of that is there's this sort of fourth branch of government that's untouchable, which is the administrative state.

So if we can do our job, rein that in, this court case is a big part of it.

I think over time, it's good for the Republic because people will, you know, again, feel like their government or people they send there are accountable to them, not, you know, again, some amorphous agency that no one's ever heard of.

Let me ask you a final question.

I read a lot of reports that say the justices were asking the questions that make one believe that they might actually go deep, not narrow, but deep on this.

Do you feel that way?

I do.

I think that probably the justice to watch here is Justice Roberts, who's just sort of well known as kind of an incrementalist.

And whether they kind of, they've been chipping away at this

a little bit, you know, over the last, I would say, five to seven years.

They've been chipping away at some of this deference.

But I think they've got the kill shot here if they want to take it.

I think they will, if I had to bet on it right now, I think they will, but it's, it's not a foregone conclusion.

But this is the best shot.

The people in these legal circles, I will tell you, there's been a desire to find the case that you can put before the court to test this again.

And I think this is the case.

So this is really one to watch.

And again, it's really under the radar because it's not about guns or abortion or some of the things that typically are on the front page, but it would have a really significant

impact ultimately on the role of government in people's lives.

The other thing you mentioned quickly, because I'm out of time, but the other thing you mentioned was freedom of speech.

And we have been watching the World Economic Forum and what they're doing.

And mis and disinformation is now their number one priority because there's going to be more people in the world voting this year than ever before in human history.

And they know.

And so they've got to control the spin and the media.

And we are already seeing this happening through NBC News,

NBC News, what was the other one this week, and then the Independent that are actually naming me and the Blaze as critical disinformation outlets.

And we take this very seriously, obviously.

Can I give you a shout?

And I'd like to make sure that your staff has all, we look for it specifically, and I'm sure your staff does, but we'd like to make sure you're seeing all of the things that are coming out on this because it's becoming very, very dangerous.

Definitely, and it's terrifying, Glenn.

As you know, our rights come from God, and government's job is supposed to protect those rights.

Principle is the idea of self-expression, your ability to speak your mind.

And that's why the First Amendment is so important.

And it's terrifying the degree to which these so-called leaders want to control the speech.

I guess it's not that surprising.

It's been the way of the world for a long time, but not in this country.

The Missouri versus Biden lawsuit that I filed, that's in front of the Supreme Court, by the way, is a big part of that.

I've also filed legislation, Glenn, you'll appreciate this, to empower every individual that's censored by the government to sue that government official responsible for it directly.

So instead of one attorney general doing this, an army of citizens whose rights have been violated to go out, I think that will have a deterrent effect.

We've got to look for more solutions to stop this because there's nowhere else to go.

You look at that World Economic Forum, you've got a bunch of people who are hell-bent on power and control.

That's That's all it is.

It's meant to quell dissent.

It's meant to intimidate and they cannot win.

Well, as sexy as ever, Eric.

As sexy as ever.

Senator Eric Smith, thank you so much, sir.

Appreciate it.

Bye, my friend.

Take care.

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Douglas, how are you, sir?

Very good, thank you.

Good to be with you.

Yeah, I have to tell you, I can't thank you enough for your voice and your logic and your reason.

You are just, you are one of the more powerful people out there, and I think that's why you're being targeted.

Did you happen to see the article that I was talking about with

Anna Stanley?

Yes, I did.

I read it with considerable alarm.

This is a young woman who worked at the Foreign Office.

She was

an open intelligence analyst.

sent on a government training program to learn more about counter-terrorism, counter-extremism.

And of course, she revealed in the piece that,

first first of all, many of the, or several of the participants, the lecturers, completely downplayed Islamic extremism when terrorism, which the British government does regard and the intelligence services do regard as the primary threat to security in the UK.

And no mention of immigration playing a role in that.

No.

No, of course not.

Of course not.

Why would they talk about anything that was truthful?

And

but yes, but more alarming to me was even than that was was the fact that one of the lecturers, a man called Peter Newman,

who's a very sinister figure in my view,

said that the main threat, or one of the main threats, was from so-called far-right people.

And he named me and Joe Rogan.

Joe Rogan.

Let me quote the two paragraphs that

says this.

The lecturer further

argued that Douglas Murray and Joe Rogan are both examples of the far right.

To what extent, I'm quoting, should Joe Rogan and Douglas Murray be suppressed?

He asked.

They have millions of followers.

To deplatform them would cause issues.

Whoops.

Did we lose him?

Concluding his talk, the lecturer told a room full of government professionals, so society needs to find other ways to suppress them.

Is Douglas with us?

You getting him back?

The easiest way to suppress him is to hang up on him in the middle of the interview.

Exactly right.

That's the private sector suppressing him.

I'll tell you that right now.

There you go.

We see what side you're on.

Yeah.

Well, no, it was just

a coincidence.

And I've deleted all my files about hanging up on Douglas Murray.

Oh, this is an accident.

Yeah, it was crazy.

That's sad.

That's sad.

Yeah, it's amazing to be the people who are actually targeted in the middle of this, too.

It's like, it's one thing to talk about it as an issue.

You know, it's one thing to say, okay, well, these things may happen or they are happening, but like when it's happening to you, obviously, Glenn, you were named in that, in that article.

I was not.

Just to keep the record clear.

But it's got to be hard to go through it, right?

When you're the one actually named.

Yeah, he's back.

You know, I think, Douglas, you're back.

Thank you.

I'm sorry, we were just suppressing your voice there for a minute.

But,

you know,

what's really frightening here is I've been talking about this stuff coming for a long time, and we've been hearing reports that they're doing this or that.

They are so outspoken on this and so bold, and they are so far down the line.

What do you think is coming for you?

I don't know, other than that there's no way anyone on earth is going to suppress or silence me.

But I do think it's extraordinary the confidence that certain people have that they can suppress those of us who say things which I think are not only popular but proved.

But I thought it was fascinating that this man who has almost no following or recognition himself and who's an expert in a non-expertise,

you know, that he should think that he could or other people should

suppress me.

And since it wasn't just about suppressing my voice, I've got my lawyers writing to his employers to find out what he has in mind for me.

Well, they were in that very thing.

They were talking about using banks and everything.

And we know they're doing this, you know,

and,

you know, I said about four or five years ago that there's going to come a time where they are going to build a digital ghetto.

And I know all the implications of using those words.

And I was called an anti-Semite and everything else.

But that is what they're building.

You know, the Jews can talk all they want.

They can do whatever they want just behind this wall.

So nobody sees them or hears them.

And that's exactly the direction we're going.

And there's very particular moves that they're doing to make that.

One is this use of the term far right, which alarms me enormously because, of course, there are some people, particularly in Europe, who are what we would call far right.

They're nowhere near the centers of power, but in bits of Germany and elsewhere, you know, there are very nasty things in the woodshed.

And unfortunately, what people have done in recent years, as you well know, is that in the name of really nothing other than political opportunism, certain people have decided to extend the parameters of what is allegedly far right.

And what they've done is they've extended it not just to people as on this occasion, it's absurd to call me or Go Rogan far right, palpably, demonstrably absurd.

But what they're really doing is they're trying to make public opinion be deemed far right.

And not just some public opinion, but majority public opinion.

Most people in the United States and the United Kingdom are deeply concerned about illegal migration.

But once you say concerned about illegal migration is far-right, therefore the majority of the public are called far-right.

And that has a lot of implications these people don't think about.

First of all, is that, of course, it makes actual far-right become completely normal because you're just saying, oh, well, everything's far-right now.

And the second thing it does is that it dissames and libels majority public concerns, which are legitimate concerns.

You know, Americans are right to be fearful about the implications of having an entirely porous southern border.

And Europeans and British people and others are completely right to be concerned about having a totally porous southern border.

And to call these concerns extreme or to try to chuck them out of the mainstream is something so anti-democratic and anti-the populace that I'm just very alarmed at the way in which this was caught on.

Well, I don't know if you've been following Davos.

I'm sure you have this week.

Of course.

But yeah, but they're making mis and disinformation the number one priority.

And here in America, we've already had the Wall Street Journal.

We've had two stories now from NBC News this this week on disinformation.

Listen to this paragraph in the story from NBC News.

An increasing number of voters have proven susceptible to disinformation from former President Donald Trump and his allies.

Artificial intelligence technology is ubiquitous.

Social media companies have slashed efforts to rein in misinformation on their platforms.

And attacks on the work and reputation of academics tracking disinformation have chilled the research.

So they're making the case that, you know, anybody who is even considering voting for Donald Trump,

you've been captured by disinformation, which leads you to where Jordan Peterson is today.

You've got to go to a re-education camp.

Right.

Well, that's the thing, you know, is that

this whole concept that there are experts and then there's us plebs

part of this problem.

And the problem is not just how rude it is about us the people, we the people, to coin a phrase, it's the fact that these self-appointed experts are not expert in many occasions.

I mean, the BBC...

The BBC has a disinformation expert now, and she keeps on pumping out disinformation.

She keeps on getting things wrong.

Well, normally, that's the ebb and flow of journalism.

You know, one paper publishes one story, another paper says they're wrong.

That's fine.

But this idea that we have this sort of new priesthood class of academics, academics, experts in disinformation, sorry, as the person we were just mentioning earlier from King's College London has shown, academics are perfectly capable of pumping out lies and disinformation.

Well, I would

cite the famous Bill Buckley quote, you know, I'd rather go to the first hundred people in the phone book to find out what's true than

say

the board of Harvard University.

Yes.

You know, there's a story in the Washington Examiner that just came out.

Listen to this.

While the Department of Homeland Security has allowed as many as 10 million immigrants into flood our southern border, domestic surveillance state has prioritized something more important.

According to documents now unearthed by the Media Research Center, DHS paid $700,000 from a counter-terrorism program to a self-described propaganda network.

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Indeed, because the public has long recognized as being suggestible, the United States

has long made use of the beneficial propaganda during World War I, World War II, and the Cold War.

So what they did is they were the source coming after MAGA supporters and saying that they're far-right, anti-Semites.

This is funded by our government.

And they're the ones telling us about disinformation?

Well, that's the other thing.

If I were somebody in the situation of

government, in the last 15 years, I think I would want to try at least to take a look at myself and wonder where I'd gone wrong.

You know,

and you don't see that humility at all.

I would wonder, you know, instead of saying the public don't trust scientists anymore, I would say, what have the scientists done in recent years?

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Fauci, what might they have done that slightly led

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If I was

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And it never, I never see it, you know, as a writer and as a thinker, I try to do self, um, I try to be self-critical, I try to think about whether I've got something wrong, and these people just don't.

They're never wrong.

It's always us, the public, that are wrong and need to be corrected.

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Okay, Douglas Murray, what do you what should the average person do?

Because this is with

more people voting for their officials more than any time in US or world history this year, more people will be voting in free and fair elections, hopefully, than ever before.

What do we do?

How do we solve this?

Because they are going to start putting us one by one behind a wall that will not be easy to spot at first.

I think it's increasingly easy to spot, if I can say so.

I think that the public today are so much more informed.

We are so much more informed than we were 10 years ago or 20 years ago or 30 years ago.

And one of the things is that a lot of things, tricks that could have been pulled on us 30 years ago are now very, very transparent.

We have media that can address the problems when parts of the mainstream media get things wrong.

We are no longer able to be simply lectured to or sermonized to from a pulpit at the New York Times.

We no longer

have a sort of innocence that we had as a public in the past.

And I think that's a good thing.

And it means that we're all

we it's we're all beholden to sort of know more, admittedly, and to see through more.

And to recognize that just as it's true that sometimes we are told things that are completely true and we should trust some authority some of the time, we also shouldn't be completely trusting.

And we can be skeptical.

And we can

do our own research, to use a phrase that is now poo-pooed by the so called experts who say that it's dangerous for a public to do their own research.

We shouldn't be endlessly cynical, but nor should we be endlessly supine.

We shouldn't be endlessly trusting.

And we don't need to be.

You know, if somebody simply told you, gave you one opinion on something incredibly important in your life, you probably wouldn't follow it.

You probably want to check.

Like, you know, when I get motor insurance, I don't go to one place

for my

insurance going for it.

I look around.

Well, if we can do that with our cars, we can do it with our lives.

And we can do it with our political future.

And that's what we're all doing.

And anyone who says, I'm the only font of news, I'm the only font of correct opinion, don't trust anyone other than me, is somebody you should distrust.

And that's, you know, frankly, you know, the Washington Post tagline, democracy dies in darkness.

You know, well, yeah, sure it does.

And media can die in darkness as well.

And sometimes the people who say we're the only ones you can trust, like the Washington Post, might just be the ones who end up flipping in some fibs along the way.

That's what they've done.

And I think that we, the public, are in a much better position now than we ever have been before to see through it.

Douglas, always great to talk to you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for everything.

Such a pleasure.

Great pleasure.

Thank you.

So, by the way, talking about the Washington Post, here's the headline from the story that he was referring to.

Doing your own research.

This is Washington Post.

Doing your own research is a good way to end up being wrong.

Well, yeah, you could be wrong,

but just listening to the Washington Post and the New York Times and CNN and even Fox News,

you got an equal chance of being wrong there.

Do your own research.

Never close your mind.

Never stop asking questions.

Humble yourself so you're not arrogant.

I know what the truth is.

Always be open to hearing a different opinion.

And you will find the truth.

Prayerfully, you will find the truth.

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Let me hit a couple of things.

First of all, we've just hit the Houthis again, the fifth strike now.

And here's the president asked yesterday: are these airstrikes effective?

Are they stopping the Houthis?

Listen to his response.

Cut eight.

All right, cut seven.

The airstrikes are the end of the

Well,

when you say working, are they stopping the Houthis?

No.

Are they going to continue?

Yes.

Oh.

What a government response.

When you say, is it working?

I mean, well, it's not changing the behavior, but it's going to keep going.

I mean, the missiles are operating as we predicted.

They are going up in the air and eventually coming down.

We want to make sure that those million-dollar missiles, you know, we put on a show for the Houthis and

they're just loving it.

One other thing,

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you know,

Javier Malay went to speak at Davos and he spoke in Spanish.

And then we had a very...

bad translator who was just reading it like, and another thing, I'm here to warn you that your hair is on fire.

And it had no expression at all.

Somebody has taken AI

and

regenerated his speech in his voice, speaking in English.

Cut one.

Don't be intimidated by the political caste or the parasites who live off the state.

Don't yield to a political class that only wants to prolong its power and preserve its privileges.

You are social benefactors.

You are heroes.

You are the creators of the most extraordinary era of prosperity we have ever experienced.

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I mean, I don't know when he started to sound Indian.

Didn't he sound a little like Gandhi there?

Maybe.

A little bit.

Yeah.

It's amazing, though.

And for those listening on radio, the video, they did it with video, too.

I mean, it looks just like he's saying it.

It's just like he's saying it.

Yeah.

I don't know how we're going to keep this under control.

People fall for the dumbest crap.

I mean, think of the things that people fall for all the time.

And

they're not going to fall for an actually perfect-looking speech when someone's going to say that it's fake.

Like someone's going to say, put a video out of Donald Trump saying something horrible that he didn't say.

And

you think people are going to believe it?

Of course they are.

I have to tell you, I've been talking to my attorneys recently about how do I protect my voice and my image?

And they're like, dude, don't worry about the image.

That train has long pulled out of the station.

AI will probably improve it.

Yeah,

he's like, there is nothing, makeup, AI, nothing can do for that.

But, you know, because

this is going to happen and it's going to be easy to make people say, and you'll see it.

Remember when we first got into this, dude, you were an intern for the show, and I said, there's going to come a point where you won't believe your eyes.

This is it.

We're here.

You can't believe your ears or your eyes anymore.

I mean, think about it, too.

Every single time

every single time this happens, right?

Like this, this video that we just played.

Yeah.

The way people know that it's AI is that you just told them that it's AI, right?

That's the only way you know that it's AI is that Glenn just said it was AI.

Now, how does Glenn know?

Well, the only reason Glenn knows it's AI is because someone else reported that it was AI.

And at some point, someone's going to try to do this, not in a way, because this was just a way to assist people to understand what he said.

Like it was just a cool little project.

Someone, some dark state actor is going to try to do this to someone.

And we're not going to know.

And the media is not going to come out and rescue that person.

There is an app that I think people should have.

There is an app that every video is run through and you can see if it's been augmented or changed.

So, and I don't know, I don't know how accurate it is.

I don't know, you know, if you can beat it, but somebody will beat it, especially a deep state actor.

One other thing, and then I got to get to Fannie Willis because this story is amazing.

Here's the Wall Street editor-in-chief

at Davos talking about mis- and disinformation.

Listen to this, cut forward.

So if you go back really not that long ago, as I say, We kind of owned the news.

We were the gatekeepers, and we very much owned the facts as well.

If it said it in the Wall Street Journal, the New York Times, then that was a fact.

Nowadays, people can go to all sorts of different sources for the news and they're much more questioning about what we're saying.

So it's no longer good enough for us just to say this is what happened or

this is the news.

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aren't used to doing and explain to people what we're doing.

We need to be much more transparent about how we go about collecting the news.

Exactly right.

Exactly right.

But I was a little disturbed by the, we are the gatekeepers.

You know, one thing

I was thinking about recently with

Christianity, and sometimes we just get so pompous in

our knowledge about God and how right we are.

And

it bothers me when, and I'm talking about me, if I ever become like a gatekeeper, like, well, no, no, no, he can't come in.

No, no, I'm the keeper of the gate.

I'm not the keeper of the gate.

You're not the keeper of the gate.

We should be the welcoming committee.

That's what we should be.

And when it comes to truth, I'm not going to tell you what the truth is and what the truth isn't.

I'm going to give you my well-researched opinion on that.

And facts can change.

And I will correct it.

But I'm the welcoming committee here.

I welcome truth.

I'm welcoming it in.

Come on.

And we'll examine it from all sides.

And that is our own personal responsibility to do that.

I'm going to take a quick break because I want to come back with a Fannie Willis story.

This story is getting...

She's the woman that is going after Donald Trump in Georgia.

Now, if you're going after somebody, the thing I wouldn't do is be involved in corruption in my personal life and my professional life.

I would try to make sure that, you know, I didn't have any dirt that people were.

You will not believe what this is turning into.

We go there in just a few minutes.

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So let's talk a little bit about Fannie Willis, the woman who is

leading the prosecution against Donald Trump in Georgia.

Yeah, her situation is getting a little complicated.

You know,

when you have, what is it, is it Facebook that used to have the thing with your relationships ad and it's complicated?

That's kind of where it is with Fanny.

She, of course, is going after Trump on 947 zillion charges.

And her approach has been sort of hit pretty hard by the legal community saying she's overreaching here.

But it also seems like the type of thing that they could get Donald Trump on because you're going to a jury that's not going to be friendly, and they are trying to blow this into the biggest uh case of all time widely expansive so the the everyone knows that part i guess but when you get to this part where you get fanny willis who hires someone uh

and

there's a friendship there i guess is is the way she's trying to describe it now look

friends

with benefits the charges i guess very strong benefits very strong benefits benefits that just she's screaming benefits at the top of her lung, and her neighbors can hear her.

Right.

And so at least that's the alleged, alleged, alleged, alleged, alleged.

Yes.

They're probably just friends.

Right.

Platonic.

And so this kind of comes out

and a bunch of it has come out in different ways, but one part of it comes out in a divorce proceeding.

The guy that she's supposedly having an affair with, she's accused of having this affair in the divorce proceeding.

And at the same time, people notice, hey, he was hired by Fannie Willis

and paid over $600,000 in fees to work this case.

Isn't it like all of the other experts in his role are being paid like a third of that?

He's being way overpaid.

The example, yeah, the example I know, because her first reaction to this was, I pay all of them equally.

Then it came out that actually he was making, I think, $250 an hour.

And the guy who actually wrote the statute that they're using to go after Trump is getting paid paid $150 an hour.

Right.

Which, I mean, it seems like he might be the real expert here.

Right.

Yeah.

So this is sort of dissolved now.

And it's interesting to see her reaction to it because she immediately jumped to, I'm going to a black church to give a speech about racism against black women who you can't say should be perfect.

Black women shouldn't be perfect.

You can't hold them to this high standard.

It's unfair to call them perfect.

Like, no one's asking you to be perfect.

We would like you to, I don't know, follow the law

and not be corrupt.

Yeah, you're having an affair.

You're having an affair.

Fine, okay.

You know, I don't recommend it.

Not a great idea, but it's not against the law.

Hiring this guy and putting him on payroll, paying him more than the other experts, putting him on payroll and not going through the proper channels to make sure he's vetted for that job.

That is a problem.

Yeah.

That's a problem.

And what we've told you here is what's been reported.

It's interesting, though.

It's hard at some times in these cases to know what's true, right?

You're talking about something behind bedroom doors and, you know,

this stuff will come out over time.

What I think is fascinating, though, is her reaction has been so bizarre and defensive immediately.

It's as if she knew these charges were going to be coming.

She had prepared a defense.

She was ready to roll out the PR response to it.

And honestly, it's been, if she's as bad at that as

she is at investigating cases,

this is going to be a catastrophe, and it makes you almost optimistic for Donald Trump's future.

So, Stu, if I say that you are obstructing and interfering with an ongoing criminal prosecution, if I tell you that, does that bother you?

Well, I mean, I would certainly hope I was.

I mean, it wouldn't bother me legally, but I would be very bothered by it, sure.

Yeah, and you'd be like, I got to check out what I'm doing, right?

Right, sure.

But if the attorney general or the district attorney came in and said, Stu, you are obstructing and interfering with an ongoing criminal prosecution.

Would that bother you?

Yes, very much so.

Why?

Well, I'd be worried I was breaking the law, that I was going to be thrown in prison, that I was going to be charged with something.

Yes, because the person saying it to you is the person who can charge you with it.

Right, they have the power.

So it's a threat.

It's either informative,

stop doing it, or a threat.

Sure.

She just came out and said, Jocelyn Wade, who is married to the guy she's allegedly sleeping with, is using the legal process to harass and embarrass me, and in doing so is obstructing and interfering with an ongoing criminal prosecution.

So she's saying by her bringing this up, she is

she is interfering with this grand prosecution of the former president of the United States.

You know what?

Make that charge.

Don't just say it.

Make the charge.

And that's what

Jocelyn should say.

Go ahead.

Charge me with obstruction.

Do it.

Do it.

She's not allowed to put what she believes the facts are of her marriage and her divorce

paperwork.

Like that, that's how she's getting in the way of this.

I mean, what's the accusation that like this.

She's a secret MAGA supporter?

Right.

A big-time MAGA person who's just like, I just got to get the president.

I mean, this is,

again, we get into these conspiracy theories all the time, and that's how this should be treated is a conspiracy theory.

But, I mean, the idea that this woman is putting this in here to, I mean, you could see a situation where she's trying to get back at Fannie Willis because she's sleeping with her husband, right?

Oh, yeah.

Certainly you could see that type of situation playing out.

I'm not saying she's Nell, you know,

looking for the Canadian Maudi.

Oh, I'm innocent.

I'm tied to the tracks.

I'm not saying that.

Right.

She's a scorned woman.

So, you know, but she has a right to say these things

in her criminal, or I mean, in her divorce trial.

It makes a difference.

In some ways she's probably required to, right?

I mean, she's supposed to tell the truth.

If this is happening and it actually did occur, as alleged, then, you know, she's supposed to put it in the paperwork, right?

If it's, you know, important to the trial, people need to know.

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I'm going to say something here that has been said for thousands of years, and in America, currently,

I am not going to go to jail or prison for it.

Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanliness through the lusts of their own hearts to dishonor their own bodies between themselves.

I love that, to dishonor their own bodies.

Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator who is blessed forever.

Amen.

For this cause, God gave them up to unto vile affections, for even their women did change their natural use into that which is against nature.

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error, which was meat.

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Should you be charged with a crime against humanity for tweeting that?

In Finland, I'm sure you've heard this story of a member of the Finnish parliament.

She has now been tried using the law of crimes against humanity.

She has been tried twice.

She is now being tried a third time

for tweeting that.

Finnish member of parliament joins me in 60 seconds.

So excited to have her on.

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So I want to welcome back to the program our old friend, Kristen Wagoner.

She is Alliance Defending Freedoms CEO and President and also General Counsel.

And Dr.

Pavi Ra

Sanen.

Did I say that right?

Pavi Ra.

Yes.

Yes.

Rasanen.

Yes.

Okay.

Well, welcome to the program.

I've been watching your case, and it's an honor to have you on the program.

I think you are so brave.

Believe it or not, I can't believe I'm saying this, for quoting the Bible.

Can you tell us how this whole thing started?

Yes,

so thank you for having me.

It is so happy to be I'm happy to be here.

Yes, this started

over four years ago when I was shocked when I heard that the Finnish Evangelical Lutheran Church, which is the main church of Finland,

its leadership decided

officially to support and also financially to support the Helfinki Pride event.

So hang on just a second.

You are a proud member of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of Finland.

Yes, I am.

And in 2019, they decided to have a Pride 2019 event.

And as a member of the congregation, you tweeted about it, right?

Yes, I tweeted about it.

And

I made a question to the leadership of my church that how does

this fit to the foundation of the church and these Bible verses that you just read.

And after that,

then it was a surprise to me that police started to investigate the case when some citizen had made a criminal complaint about this.

And after that, there became more criminal complaints about an old pamphlet that I had written already in 2004.

And then there was also a radio show.

And

okay, hang on just a second.

Hang on.

Just the name of, I want to find this here because the name of that pamphlet is so

gentle, it kills me.

I can't find it.

What was the name of the pamphlet?

Male and female, he created thing.

Male and female, he created.

Colon.

What's the rest of it?

Homosexual relationships challenge

society.

Homosexual relationships challenge

Christianity.

Challenge.

Yes.

You couldn't be more academic about it.

Yes.

Yes.

In fact, what I speak there in that pamphlet, what I write, it is about,

I would say, classical Christianity, what churches have taught for hundreds of years that uh the marriage is between man and woman, one man and one woman, and that also the sexual relationships belongs to that uh that relationship.

And I also

uh spoke about uh that uh the other relationships are against God's will.

So very simple and classical Christian beliefs.

And I also belong, for example, that all human beings are valuable.

All are created as the image of God.

Correct.

So now you were charged.

No hate speech.

No hate speech.

Right.

I know.

You were challenging your church.

What do we believe?

You were charged with agitation against a minority group, which comes under the section of the criminal code titled War Crimes and Crimes Against Humanity.

I just this is amazing to me.

I I wanted to get Kristen in for this.

I mean, that

that sounds really bad to be charged with that.

Really bad.

Yes, it does sound bad.

In Finland we have we have the law about aggregation against minorities.

Quite similar laws are in other European countries.

And yes,

this is under protection.

So, Christian, what does it mean?

What penalties is that?

What does this mean?

Well, it can carry a potential penalty of two years in prison.

Thankfully, the prosecution hasn't asked for time in prison, but they were demanding very high fines

and again

convicting her of

the hate crimes of initially charging her with three hate crimes.

What I would also bring out, Glenn, that Pive didn't state is the timing of these statements.

So, you know, in terms of the timing of the different statements,

the pamphlet was written in 2004,

many, many years before this all began, and actually even before this particular law was put in place.

And then the, you know, in terms of the

other radio program, that was 2019.

So really what happened was the tweet went out a Finnish prosecutor decided to launch with the police a full-born investigation into every public statement that Pive had made during the course of a nearly 30-year political career this Pive

is so well known in Finland as serving her country in a variety of areas again serving in as a part of parliament for 30 years she's a doctor and she's the pastor's wife so it it would be only appropriate that she would speak out on this issue.

And whether you agree with her or not, she has the right to be able to express her beliefs.

So, Paivi,

what has happened to your reputation?

Have you faced a new election since all of this has been going on?

And what's happening?

Yes, in fact, last

April, we had two parliamentary elections in Finland, and I'm happy that I was re-elected and I got even more votes than

four years ago.

So

I'm so happy that people trust on me still.

So let me ask you again, back to Christian.

This is a, again, the elites, the government, going against

obviously what people are feeling

that are voting for her, she doesn't have any hate.

Now, this is the third time she's been charged, or is this just, are they just kicking it up finally to the Supreme Court?

Is this like an American system, or does she have to be recharged each time?

There are some similarities to the American system, but then some things that are very different that make this even worse than what someone would experience here in the U.S.

She was charged with three crimes, three hate crimes, and that went to the trial court level like we would have here.

She was fully exonerated.

There was a finding of not guilty in the trial court level, and we were privileged to support that legal defense.

But unlike the U.S.

system, when you are found not guilty in Finland of a crime, the prosecutor can choose to appeal that to the next level.

And so, again, with just a vicious prosecution designed to have, I think, a chilling effect, to send a message

to Finnish citizens, if we can get Pive, we can get any one of you.

Then they appealed it.

And we won again in a unanimous decision with multiple judges.

Pive was found not guilty.

And now the prosecution has again asked the Finnish Supreme Court to hear the case one more time.

And that would be the equivalent of asking our U.S.

Supreme Court to hear a case.

So,

A, if she wins again, that's no guarantee they'll stop.

I mean, you know, here in the United States, we're seeing it.

Show me the person, I'll show you the crime.

And they're going to take you out if they want to take you out, or they're going to try

with the Supreme Court because they don't have the First Amendment, which we have, and really nobody's listening to it right now, but at least we have it.

They don't have First Amendment right.

So

how is she winning?

Why is she winning?

Well, the freedom of expression and speech is a fundamental right that is guaranteed by every major human rights treaty.

And there are also guarantees in Finnish law to free expression.

And I think it's important for Americans to understand there are not any magic words in our First Amendment.

Many Western democracies have language in their constitutions and in international treaties to protect these rights because we know they're fundamental rights.

They're not American rights.

They're pre-political.

And so she does have protections under the law.

And that's what the lower courts have recognized in the past.

If she wins at the Finnish Supreme Court, it will set the precedent for all of Finland and protect others and send a message to the world.

If she loses, it will be a very ominous

decision, not only just for Finland, but for all Western democracies.

Because when we lose free speech, we blur the line between democracy and dictatorship.

So, Pavi,

when

you know, I don't know anything really about Finland.

The only thing I can say in Finnish is kexy, which I think is cookie, right?

But of course, I would loan that one.

But

I understand that Finland is not a real deeply religious

country.

What do the non-religious people feel about all of this?

I think that in Finland

the general atmosphere towards this case is quite divided.

The LGBT advocates are quite active in Finnish society and also in our main church.

And they have hoped that this process would continue and

it would end to

my conviction.

But of course, I have also a lot of supporters

in Finland, and also those people

who

are not

Christians or other faiths,

many of them have supported me,

even though they disagree with me, but they support the freedom of

free speech and freedom of faith.

So

I think that my calling and my privilege has been to defend and to fight for these important freedoms in our society and also to testify about the biblical teachings and testify about Jesus in the same time.

You are

amazing.

I mean, heroes are being created.

every day all around the world because in you know in other times we didn't have to stand up for anything it was was just accepted now you actually have to risk something for your faith or your point of view and i have so much admiration for you i have one more question but i have to take a break for a commercial so back in 60 seconds uh let me tell you about american giant in the 1960s 95 of the clothing americans bought made right here in the u.s now 97 of it is made overseas whether it's medicine our cars our clothing we don't make anything anymore we became the financial capital of the world.

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Pavi, I have to tell you,

I want to print up, you know, t-shirts with Romans, just saying Romans 1, 25 through 27,

just because we can.

If I do that, I'd like to raise money for you.

How are your legal fees?

Christian, how is this working for her?

How is she paying for all of this?

Well, Alliance Defending Freedom International is able to provide our services pro bono, and we have a Finnish attorney that has also joined this battle, who's an allied attorney as well.

And Pive might want to answer that more fully, but all of our services are funded by those who want to just give to the ministry and support people like Pive.

Pivy?

How are you holding up?

Yes,

I'm very thankful for ADS.

The support of ADS has been very valuable, and also the expertise that they have,

it has been very important

for me during this case.

Yeah.

Well, I so appreciate it.

Kristen,

I urge everybody in my listening audience,

this is a cause you can get behind that will make a difference because it's making a difference all around the world.

ADF makes, I mean, they're involved in so much, and it's all about freedom of speech and religion.

ADFlegal.org, ADFlegal.org, please donate if you have anything extra, even see if you can make it monthly.

And Kristen, if you want, you print up the teacher.

I can get them at a great discount.

I'll even print them up.

And then you just, you can sell them and I'll drive people to your site so they can sell it.

I mean, I can't believe somebody is being charged with a crime under crimes against humanity for quoting the Bible.

We really need to appreciate how free we are here.

Thank you both.

God bless.

Anything I could do, please let us know.

And I, please, as an audience member,

I think this is so critical.

Please go to ADFlegal.org right now and make a donation.

ADFlegal.org.

This has to be stopped.

One country at a time.

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There's a couple of things that you should be aware of.

First of all, there's a little problem with EVs.

Just a little one.

Just a little one.

Here's a

A reporter in Chicago from Fox 32

doing a report report

on a little problem with EVs that they're finding in Chicago.

Cut to, please.

Electric cars may be the way of the future, but it's clear there are some problems when it comes to charging them in Chicago's deep freeze.

Oh, we got a bunch of dead robots out here.

Dead robots.

Dead Tesla

packed the parking lot at this Tesla supercharging station in Oak Brook, a scene mirrored at other supercharging stations around the Chicago area.

Man, this is crazy.

It's a disaster, seriously.

With temperatures falling into the negative double digits, these charging ports have stopped charging, leaving many Tesla owners stranded here in long lines since Sunday.

Nothing, no juice, it's thrown 0%.

And this is like three hours this morning being out here after being out here eight hours yesterday.

Has it been charging?

No, not at all.

It just isn't working.

At all.

It's just frozen.

And so I'm now getting it towed to the Tesla Service Center because that's my only option at this point.

So apparently

it doesn't work.

Now, the White House wants everybody to know this, Cut One.

On electric vehicles, there's been, with the extreme weather, there's been some difficulty in getting those battery charged.

Do you have any thoughts on that?

As you know, the administration has been really pushing for EVs to be the future of car transportation.

Do you have any thoughts on the troubles with charging those batteries?

Well, as a car owner, I can promise you that whether you have a gas-powered vehicle, a hybrid-powered vehicle, and a fully electric vehicle, extreme weather temperatures impact the functioning of your car, right?

So that is not unique to electric vehicles.

Oh, okay.

So it's not unique to electric vehicles.

I know I couldn't fill up my gas tank just the other day because it was so cold

and my car wouldn't work.

So, oh no,

no,

matter of fact, I could pump gas into my car and my car worked fine.

You know, the cold start thing happens,

you know, sure, with diesel, but that's why you have glow plugs.

And you know who found this out is Minnesota.

Minnesota bought a whole bunch of these electric buses because, you know, I just love school buses.

The yellow school bus?

Who doesn't love those?

So they bought a lot of these that Kamala Harris was pushing and

they haven't been working this winter.

Can't get them to work.

So all sorts of stories like this, Glenn.

I actually heard someone on the front where you mentioned the this is not unique to electric vehicles.

I heard someone trying to justify this and they said, you know, in the early days of

cars, you had to, you know, I get an engine block warmer and, you know, there's no fuel injection.

So yeah it's like really yeah we're not in the early days of cars this is not early in the 1970s yeah a long long time ago yeah like 50 years ago it was solved um there's a story in the new york times and it to the credit of the mainstream media they actually are covering this now they're making their excuses for it but you know people it's not only just the chargers aren't working when you get to the charger But then if you get to the charger, there's likely a long line at the charger because no one else's car is working properly.

What they've seen is people with, you know,

these cars all say like, okay, 30 miles left and you need to get, you know, I have that feature in my car too, which is a gas-powered car.

It gives you an estimate about

what that is.

And it's always pretty darn close.

If anything, it seems to me that they estimate that you have more range than you, or you have less range than you do so that you don't, you know, screw up and not get to the gas station.

Electric vehicles, they're saying people, they have quotes in the Times of people who are saying, well, I had 30, it said I had 30 miles of range, and then five minutes later, I was out of battery.

So like, it's not, it can't even tell how much it has.

People are losing a third of their charge overnight.

It's fully charged.

They go to bed, they wake up, they have two-thirds of a charge.

Listen to this spin from a misinformation doctor, okay?

When we all know the truth, everybody likes to go to Vegas.

These electric cars just bring Vegas to you.

You never know.

I could win today.

I could lose.

Yeah.

It's the excitement of Vegas in your car.

And like in Vegas, when you lose, you lose your $5 slot pull.

And in these, you just are out in freezing cold temperatures with no way to really solve the problem.

There is

no nothing wrong with that.

Nothing wrong with that.

You know, we lose a few people along the way.

We reduce the surplus population.

We all know that.

I did an amazing interview with Tony Robbins recently.

And

Tony and I become friends, I guess you could say.

I mean,

I don't know.

You know what these celebrities are like.

And

he's just changed my family's life.

My wife had been dealing with

her brother, who she was closest to, I think, in the family,

committing suicide.

And it just threw her for a loop.

My job has actually changed her a great deal as well.

You know, not in the positive way.

She's become

very suspicious of people and everything else and changed in ways that

I don't like because

she's just so sweet and kind.

And then I've had a struggle with a couple of my kids and suicide attempts.

And one of those was my son.

And

I was at the end of my rope and I know Tony Robbins, so I I called him and I said, Tony, I'm in trouble, and I don't know what to do.

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So

he's talking about the hot coal thing and why it's important.

A lot of people think, oh, this is a, you know, this is a gimmick, or this is, you know, they're not really hot.

Yeah, they are.

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When you're writing and speaking out loud, you're using two of your senses.

It's kind of like that.

But here he is on biochemistry and firewalking from this week's podcast.

They send people into 13 different countries, measured people in real time, and it looks like music.

I go into these states biochemically and the audience follows me and they get to this state.

That's how we like have people do the firewalk or the wood breaking.

They get to the state where they can push the fear aside and they can push through because they have strong testosterone and low cortisol.

So that biochemistry is why it's retained.

If I asked you where you were on 9-11, almost almost every person, even from other countries, tells you where they were, what they saw the moment they saw it.

If I asked you where you were on 8-11,

because information without emotion is barely retained.

Information with a lot of emotion is massively retained.

So I create states, your son is an example of that, where people are in these peak states of mine biochemically, and that's why they retain it and produce the results.

I will tell you that I think

I was so impressed by the way, I mean, you use every sense, every sense

to put people in state.

And

it's

movement, sound music,

right, everything.

Engagement.

And you,

you know,

oh, he's a guru.

No, no, he's not.

You're not doing any of that.

That's right.

And you say it on the stage, first of all, I'm not your guru, but you also say, look,

if this is what we're doing to your body, and you're showing

how it how it all works and it's um and by the way your son like he could have just watched that but he participated fully he got himself some states he starts to realize who he really is no and he's still gonna he's still got a lot of learning and stuff to go in his life but he has a totally different foundation to look at life through because his biochemistry has changed it wasn't with drugs right and tanya and i were i mean she said we're not going to walk on fire i'm not i'm not going to walk on fire i'm not going to walk on fire and i told her before we went i said you know those people that wear the cheese block hats you know, the green bait backers.

I said, if you're going to Tony Robbins, you have to just put yourself in that mindset.

I'm just going to wear a big cheese block and I'm going for it.

I don't care.

Because, you know, we don't push anybody to do it.

And people all say, I'm not going to do it.

And then they get in the environment and you're in a different state.

Yeah.

And of course,

it's not about the fire walk.

It's about whatever stops you in life.

That's the fire state.

Yeah, right.

And it's like this thing that normally stops you as fear.

And you learn how to snap out of it and do it anyway.

You know, I used to use skydiving in the beginning, but it got hard to get 10,000 people in the middle of the sky over New York City in the middle of the night.

So I had to find other metaphors.

And when people are at home, I can't all starting fires around the world in 500 countries.

So we do wood breaking.

We show them something.

Normally, in karate, you would take a year to learn, and they do it in a few minutes, but we use it as a metaphor breaking through what's stopping.

And then it becomes more physical instead of just intellectual.

Yeah, it wasn't

what was so great is she did it for a different reason.

I did it for a different reason.

And it was

what's your worst fear that's going to stop you?

Yeah.

And

hot coals.

You know, it's not my worst fear, but that stops you.

Once you walk across them,

it just changes.

Yeah, because your brain goes, if I can get myself through this thing that I once thought was impossible or at least difficult, what else do I think is impossible or difficult that I can also crush with just a few changes in strategy?

That's the value of it.

That's why I used it as a metaphor.

But as you know, that happens the first night of the four-day program.

If people think that's going to be the peak, you know,

three, day four, it's a whole different level than they ever dreamed of.

You know, it's fun to do.

It's a remarkable thing.

I'm sorry, I just lost my

earphone, so I didn't hear the last bit of that interview.

But it is an incredible interview to listen.

It was two hours.

It's the longest interview I've ever done with anyone

because he just gets on a roll and he talks about finances.

He talks about the economy.

He talks about something.

He's sharing, he's written a new book and he's sharing some things that he's been involved in financially that he's like, this is wrong.

How come this is how the rich get richer?

Because I have access to something and I know something that nobody else does.

And they can't participate because they can't participate at these levels.

And so he has found a way for you to participate in something.

And he's not, you know,

he's not making money off of it.

But uh, it is so well worth your time.

Again, it's two hours with Tony Robbins, but two hours that, you know, usually would cost an awful lot of money.

He is now a billionaire.

He's involved in over a hundred companies.

He's

he's counseled four different presidents.

He talks about what Bill Clinton called him and said, I got a problem.

And he was like, yeah, maybe you should probably should have called me earlier.

But he's counseled presidents, CEOs,

some of the biggest people.

Nelson Mandela, we talk about that.

And he found that we all have the same basic problems.

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Just a monster.

That's me.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's been a long and interesting road.

I mean, you think about back when around that time was when we were dealing with the George W.

Bush Al Gore election.

I mean, it was.

Can you imagine what we did as a comedy bit back then?

We made a giant waffle head,

a float that looked like,

because he was waffling on everything.

We made it look like John Kerry in his head was a giant waffle and it spoke and it said.

It said things that we don't remember, Glenn.

We don't remember the exact details of what it said at this time.

Yeah, yeah, but it was funny.

It was comedy at the the time.

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