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So, Stu, what did you think of the debate last night?

It was

a show, it was interesting.

Apparently, the only person that anyone ever talks about is Vivek Ramaswamy, which is fascinating.

I mean, he is, what, fourth of the polls?

Fourth-ish.

Fourth-ish in the polls, and he is the guy.

All the attention goes to him.

Every conversation, every battle he's involved in.

I mean, it really is remarkable.

A guy who

we've had on the show and, you know, multiple times.

You've had on this show.

Yeah.

Had on this show, had on Studios America.

Never had him on.

Never had Maria.

Never had Mark Packer unleashed.

No.

Asked him.

Asked him multiple times.

I feel like I've

had multiple times.

Yeah, many, many times.

And to the point where we're just like, okay, never mind.

Really?

And as soon as we said, okay, never mind, he's like, hey, we can be on the show tomorrow.

I'm sorry.

we're on the moment.

We hit the nevermind moment.

Yeah, we hit the and then now there's no turning back.

So it's understandable.

We can't have him on the show.

But he's been on this one multiple times.

Before he was running for president, he came on a bunch of times.

He's come on since as well.

Same thing with Studos America.

He's a good.

You're kind of rubbing that in a little bit, aren't you?

He was also on a, I think he was on a show.

It wasn't really a show.

It was the front window of a pet store where he talked to

mostly dogs and cats.

But there was one human being there.

But just really anything.

But I think there was a webcam in that shop.

It was disconnected, though.

It was not plugged in.

But any place he can find an audience that is of any value, he'll go to.

That is his policy.

He'll go to them.

But he hasn't been able to make it to Pac-Ray at least quite yet.

He's busy.

I don't know.

I will say,

the Vaikramaswami is something very unique in, I think, all my time watching presidential debates.

I think I know what you're going to say.

Really?

He's never said a.

Well, that's very much true.

He's never said a.

He's the most well-spoken person I've ever seen.

Yeah.

I think.

The chat GPT thing, which was a criticism of his that was popularized on the internet and then Chris Christie tried to roll out multiple weeks later during one of the debates

is

kind of interesting.

It's fascinating.

I asked my wife last night.

She was watching the debate and, you know, she follows politics, politics, but not live or die every second of her life, thank God.

And she likes Ramaswamy.

I like him too.

I said to him, and I do too.

We've had him on a million times.

And I asked.

Have you ever had him on

Studios America?

Have you had him?

Yeah,

he was on Studios America.

And then we did another separate show just for the people in the office.

Really?

Yeah, he came in, flew in for it.

But

couldn't quite make it to Studios America.

In fact, we did it.

It's really interesting.

We did it in the morning when your show airs.

Really?

And yeah.

He was even willing to get up that time of day.

Yeah, he flew in extra early just to come on

just to talk to people in the office.

Must have been a slow day for him.

And so he just came because he didn't have time to come on my show when we asked him.

Okay.

Well, that's multiple times.

That happens.

Multiple times.

That happens.

He had other things

planned.

Yeah.

Well, the pet show for one thing.

The pet show was a good show.

I asked my wife, does it bother you at all that he doesn't say

or like hesitate at all?

And she said no.

And she's like, he's just very well spoken.

He knows where he's going with every answer.

He's very smart.

It's incredible.

And he is a smart guy.

This idea that he's a little bit more than a hundred.

He went to Harvard and Yale.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's a smart guy.

There's this like

new

quote-unquote smart Republican view that this guy's just dumb.

And that's just not true.

The guy is

he, he ran, he run companies.

He's a successful entrepreneur.

He's a multi-multi-millionaire.

He's not dumb.

The more apt criticism of him might be that he's not necessarily ready for this yet.

I'm talking about president of the United States.

He's done a good job running for president at times.

But my impression of him last night, I'm.

Well, he's 38.

He's 38.

He's very.

He was born the year I got married.

Really?

Yeah.

Wow.

Yeah.

I mean, that's fascinating.

But like, look,

he's got a

bold voice.

He is someone that I think has value to the conservative movement.

But like watching him last night, I feel like each debate, he's trying a completely new philosophy of debates.

Like the, like, he's like, game one, he's running the West Coast offense.

Game two, he's in the wishbone.

Game three, it's run and shoot.

It's like, I don't know what's happening.

Like, he's been three completely different people.

And he keeps trying to gain traction and he's trying different methods to do that.

And last night, I think his theory was, I'm going to be super aggressive.

Yeah.

And so he went after everybody.

The first debate was, I'm going to get noticed.

I'm going to be super eager.

I'm going to make sure I'm not swallowed up because people don't know who I am.

Number two was, people thought I was a little bit aggressive last time.

I'm going to be super

nice and defer to the other candidates and compliment them constantly.

He tried that.

This one was like, I'm just going to start swearing at people.

I think that was,

maybe the debate was a half an hour long.

I'm going to punch somebody in the face.

He started out with the attack on the media, which was

which

this is the perfect example of the weirdness of Vivek at some level in these moments.

Again,

I have no problem with the guy, but like in these moments, that attack would have been massively huge for him if it was timed right.

Right, but it wasn't.

It was this woman he attacked, who I, you know, I have no

patience for her politics or her news abilities.

I don't even know her name, but she's an MSNBC.

Kristen Welker.

Would connect so deeply with the conservative public, but she hadn't said anything yet.

It was like he had so obviously planned this moment weeks in advance.

That's the thing.

He's almost too prepared.

Yeah, it's too prepared.

It feels stilted.

It's stilted.

That's a great point.

That's exactly how it feels.

And I think the same thing happened with the heels comment, where he goes, oh, it's Dick Cheney and three-inch heels, and there's two of them on stage today.

Like, that's just the whole thing.

The bogus attack on DeSantis is nonsense anyway.

It's stupid.

I don't care if he wears stilts on stage.

So what?

Is he a good governor?

He's a good president.

He's a good governor.

Can he be a good president?

I think so, but I don't know for sure.

But it's like, you know, a guy who's written his, what he believes is his stand-up comedy routine six months in advance is going to go out and promote it.

You know, we've done, and I know you've done a million of these, especially going back to your morning radio days.

You have, there's two different types of stand-up comedians that come on shows.

Some who are just legitimately funny.

You get in a conversation with them.

They roll with it.

They blast out jokes throughout the entire thing.

It's incredible.

And then the type that have...

Four pieces of material that they do on morning shows, and your job is supposedly to set them up to get to these jokes that they've already done 10 million times terrible it's always terrible

and there's a point with ramaswamy that that's what it feels like like he's got seven buttons that he can press at any time he's already practiced them so much and yeah for a guy that is that smart and can talk about anything i don't know that that's the right approach for him But again, he'll probably try a totally new one next debate.

So we can just wait and see which next time he's going to be in the spread.

And we'll try it.

We'll see what happens then.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But again, here is a guy who's in fourth place in the polls, and we spent the first 15 minutes talking about him.

So

what's bizarre about it is he's done such a good job in getting people to

talk about him.

But in a way, he's almost seemingly disproving the all publicity is good publicity thing because he's not moving his polls.

Someone, we did post coverage last night.

Does he have 5%?

We have 4% or 5%.

We were talking last night on the post-game coverage on youtube.com/slash studiosamerica, where we've we've been going live before and after most of these debates, and we'll be doing this throughout the election season.

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Um, but one person brought this up and they said, you know, look,

part of the reason why Vivek can't move the polls is all of his voters are currently voting for Donald Trump, and they're not going to move off of Trump unless Trump, you know, drops out, gets arrested, and goes to prison and can't run, whatever the reason is.

And at that point, he's going to be the Trump voter's number one choice.

So maybe there is some strategy here with Vivek.

I'm just going to go for that Trump vote if the Trump thing falls apart.

And if you can see a scenario, and I don't know, what do you think about this?

If Trump, let's say Trump had some, God forbid, some health problem and decided he himself couldn't run and came out with a full-throated endorsement of Vivek Ramaswamy, would Ramaswamy shoot to the lead of the primary?

Probably, right?

If 50% of the vote that were Donald Trump and Trump himself came out and gave a full-throated endorsement of Ramaswamy, would Ramaswamy lead the primary?

Probably.

And he might be the most likely to receive a Trump endorsement if Trump ever dropped out because he's not

completely friendly to Trump.

Certainly not at all times.

And it's not going to be Haley.

Nope.

Now, Scott is one you could see theoretically.

Trump seems to have no problem with Tim Scott.

Yeah.

So maybe, and that's why a lot of people mention him as a VP candidate.

He's been relatively kind.

Of course, the reason for that is he doesn't see Scott as a threat.

And so, but maybe there could be some, but Ramaswamy, I don't know.

I mean, it seems to be the only real strategy because he's not growing his numbers at all.

He's not.

He's really not.

I mean, nobody is, really.

Nikki Haley, maybe Haley, but she's come up somewhat in the polls, and I think in some polls, she's tied DeSantis, but I don't get that either.

We should talk about her next because she was the other one probably.

Like, DeSantis, I thought, was solid throughout, and I don't think he has bad debates.

He just doesn't seem to have amazing ones either.

I noticed that on the Drudge report,

it was Nikki Haley who won the debate, according to Drudge readers.

Drudge readers.

Wow.

Yeah.

That's interesting.

Because, I mean,

the New York Times pundits said the same thing.

So the fact that if she can win with both of those groups, that's probably a pretty good performance.

Yeah.

Here's Ron DeSantis last night, though, on why he should be president over Donald Trump.

Now, if you look where we are now, it's a lot different than we were in 2016.

And Donald Trump's a lot different guy than he was in 2016.

He owes it to you to be on this stage and explain why he should get another chance.

He should explain why he didn't have Mexico pay for the border wall.

He should explain why he racked up so much debt.

He should explain why he didn't drain the swamp.

And he said Republicans were going to get tired of winning.

Well, we saw last night, I'm sick of Republicans losing.

In Florida, I showed how it's done.

One year ago here, we want a historic victory, including a massive landslide right here in Miami-Dade County.

That's how we have to do it.

So I promise you this, as the nominee, next November, I'll get the job done.

And as president, I will deliver this.

Time is up.

Let me turn to Ambassador Rowan.

It's a good answer.

Yeah.

It's a good answer.

Yeah, it is.

You know,

DeSantis is pretty good at this.

You know, I think every time I watch watch him, I'm thinking, like, these are all solid answers.

I'm never like, oh, gosh, that was terrible.

I mean, you know, maybe there's a moment here or there, but generally speaking,

on the other hand, I don't know that there's ever a time when you say, wow, that was spectacular.

He doesn't.

He doesn't have that charisma kind of thing.

Yeah.

You know, but he's good, and I like him, and I could vote for him, and he'd be a good president.

He'd be a good president.

I really, I think that's good.

I mean, I think he'd be very good.

I don't think there's any question about that.

And I don't know.

It's just

we seem to be in that state of

wanting these crazy moments, which is what kind of Ramaswamy's providing.

And it's what everyone, I guess, talks about.

But when you talk about who would actually be a really good president, I mean, I don't know.

Does it just seem like he'd just be really good at the job?

Does that matter anymore?

I don't know.

I don't know if that matters anymore.

No, it doesn't.

Does he have charisma?

Right.

If not, then I can't vote for him.

Despite his policies.

That's such a weird lie.

It's weird.

Yeah.

It is.

That's where we are.

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So Nikki Haley talked about why she should be president rather than Donald Trump.

Here's what she had to say about it.

You know, everybody wants to talk about President Trump.

Well, I can talk about President Trump.

I can tell you that I think he was the right right president at the right time.

I don't think he's the right president now.

I think that he put us $8 trillion in debt, and our kids are never going to forgive us for that.

I think the fact that he used to be right on Ukraine and foreign issues, now he's getting weak in the knees and trying to be friendly again.

I think that we've got to go back to the fact that we can't live in the past.

We can't live in other headlines.

We've got to start focusing on what's going to make America strong and proud.

And that's what I'm focused on doing.

Are you surprised at what a warmonger she is?

She would have us at a war on every continent on this planet, I believe.

She and Tim Scott.

If you're going to have all these continents, what's the point of us going to have a war there if you're not having a war there?

Yeah.

I think we'd be attacking penguins in Antarctica if she becomes president.

And that might be the best one because they'd have a hard time fighting back.

What are they going to do?

Peck us with their beaks?

I don't mind that.

That's okay.

So maybe we fight the war in Antarctica.

Let's start there.

But not in Asia.

How about that one?

First of all, no one came out on the stage and and said we should colonize Antarctica and I'm disappointed.

I want the candidate.

I want the candidate who's just going to take over Antarctica.

Well, are you a single issue guy and that's enough to gain your vote?

Absolutely.

Yes.

It's fascinating.

And I understand.

I have some sympathy for these candidates who are trying to walk this impossible line.

They know the voting public likes Donald Trump.

And so they can't attack him like Chris Christie does, although they'll never win.

But they also know they have to be critical of at some level, or what's the point of you?

Why are you there?

Right.

Like, you know, Ramaswamy at one point said, oh, well, this is in the previous debate, but he said, oh, Donald Trump was the greatest president of my lifetime.

Well, then why are you running?

Like,

what's the point of that?

But, like, what I have some sympathy there, but like, Haley's response, if he was the right president

at the right time, that put us $8 trillion in debt.

That's not a point.

That's not a good point.

It's not.

If he put us $8 trillion in debt, he wasn't the right president at the right time.

right?

I think, you know, that's now, of course, he's not responsible for all of that debt, but he's responsible for a decent chunk of it.

And her other problem with Trump is that he's not aggressive enough on the world stage, which I mean, look, his record at the time kind of disproves that.

I mean, he was, I thought,

pretty aggressive on the world stage.

His rhetoric at times was much more the opposite, right?

He would say, I'm best friends with Kim Jong-il or Kim Un.

But you notice,

Russia didn't take,

they didn't try to take over Ukraine at the time.

Yeah.

The key with Trump every single time is to look at what actually is happening rather than what he says.

And what he says is, I'm good buddies with Vladimir Putin.

His policy against Russia was strong.

There is no problem with his policy against Russia.

The fact that he would blurt out compliments to Vladimir Putin here and there is weird at some level, but it doesn't really matter.

I think a lot of it has to do with Trump trying to...

He has this idea that everything he says is a negotiation of something.

And that's what it was with Kim Jong-un.

It's what it was with Putin.

I don't know.

Does he really like Putin?

Is he really best friends with Kim Jong-un?

Whatever he did seemed to work.

We didn't have all these wars at this time.

And I think a lot of that was the policy he was actually executing rather than the things he was saying.

I think that's a good point.

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Honestly, if you look at social media, that's what it feels like sometimes.

Yeah.

But in reality, when I talk to actual human beings, they have the same conversations that we're having today.

Yeah, but we're trying to noodle it out right now.

This is the time when we got to sort through all the stuff and figure out who's the best candidate.

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Right.

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There's no reason to blow your stack and lose your mind when we're talking about the primaries.

We mentioned the shoe situation the other day on my show because it's a big controversy.

The shoe situation.

I'm making fun of the fact that

Ron DeSantis either does or doesn't wear lifters in his shoes to be taller on stage.

This is so dumb.

And that was our point, was that it's stupid.

I don't care if he wears stilts on stage.

He's a great governor, and he might make a really good president.

I don't know yet.

But I'm trying to noodle that out.

Well, people,

some of his supporters were really pissed.

He didn't even talk about the fact.

What are you doing talking about his shoes?

Well,

they're making a big deal out of it right now.

So we talked about his shoes.

You didn't even mention that the governor of Iowa endorsed him.

Yeah, well, neither did he last night

on the debate.

Surprising, actually, that he didn't.

It is a big endorsement.

We did mention it.

You know, I don't, you know, it's important.

It is.

It's more important than shoes, but also, it's also important to slap down idiotic controversies, which is what we do all the time.

Yeah.

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the point is yeah you want to have a little fun with the news i will say last night of course it was brought up people missed this when vivek uh did his line about the heels everyone was like oh vivek just slammed nikki haley that's not what he did i mean he sort of did that with a dick cheney and three inch heels but when everyone went oh they missed the second part of his line where he said oh and there's two of them on stage right now yeah right like he was saying both uh haley and

desantis both wear heels like i And DeSantis, to his credit, just ignored it.

Just ignored it.

I will say, Ramaswamy went down this road multiple times yesterday where he decided, I'm just going to go for these sort of like low-blow, wise crack type of approaches.

I don't think they worked.

It didn't seem like it.

The other one was the Nikki Haley TikTok thing, which is bizarre.

Going after her daughter, who's 25 years old, by the way.

There's so many different elements to this.

Number one, going after your daughter and saying, oh, well, take care of your own family before you tell people not to go on TikTok is just a, I don't know.

It's a bad, it's a dumb approach.

It felt like oddly harsh and weird.

But then secondarily, it doesn't make any sense.

She's 25 years old.

What the hell does Nikki Haley have to do with her 25-year-old daughter's internet usage?

Like that, there's no,

it would be weird if she could get her daughter off of TikTok when she's 25 years old.

What would that say about her 25-year-old daughter?

She has no agency at all.

Mommy's still making my internet choices at at 25.

That's just bizarre.

Yeah.

And then her

moment after that, I thought was also weird.

People are like, oh, it got spicy.

She called Vivek Ramaswamaswami scum,

which at first I thought she said dumb.

That's what I thought she said.

She tried to say a couple times.

Then I guess it was scum.

That's how everyone is reporting it, which is a little over the line, too.

It is.

The whole thing, that whole back and forth, I didn't like all that much.

I will say the debate was better than the second one, which was just people talking over each other the entire time.

Yeah, a lot better than that, but none of them have been good.

None of them have been good.

It was just less bad than the other two.

Yeah.

I thought, oddly, I thought NBC did a decent job.

Much better than Fox Business for sure.

Yeah.

Keeping it under control, though they did eliminate so much of the back and forth that really there was only a few moments where people were actually talking to each other.

And DeSantis stays above all this.

Yeah.

Largely almost never goes after these other candidates.

And I guess that's a, you know, I would assume at this point, it's a strategy.

It does mean he does not get the viral moments.

It means that he doesn't get those big moments.

And it's funny from a guy who really rose to prominence among conservatives

by battling the media.

He has not had really any of those moments during the campaign.

All of them came previous to the campaign.

where he was out there talking with the media, battling back and forth.

And I think that would help him a lot if he had more of those.

For whatever reason, he's kind of staying above it.

And I don't think that's a terrible approach, but it is, it sort of takes away one of his strengths at some level.

So I don't know.

And then you had Christie and Tim Scott on the stage.

I don't know if there's anything to say really about them.

Scott is, I like Tim Scott.

He just doesn't, it doesn't seem like it's going to happen here.

Yeah.

It's not going to.

It's not going to happen.

And Chris Christie, we haven't liked since, well, when we thought he was really good back in 2010.

Yeah, probably 2010 is probably the last time we thought Chris Christie was good.

It's interesting because Christie comes into this race as a guy who basically says, I just want to take on Donald Trump.

I don't want Donald Trump to be president.

I can stop him.

That's his case.

Now, of course, that's a ridiculous case.

He's already run against Donald Trump.

It got slaughtered by him.

But okay, let's, what's your case here?

And then he really doesn't talk about Donald Trump much at all in these debates.

He almost never brings him up.

Yeah.

I mean, he occasionally will, but he doesn't talk about him all that often.

And you'd think if your goal is to

have Donald Trump not be president really at any cost, what you probably don't want to do is weaken other candidates in a state like New Hampshire where he polls relatively well.

You'd think you'd want those votes to go to somebody else so that someone else could beat Donald Trump, but then he's still in the race.

So I don't know.

I think Chris Christie thinks so much of Chris Christie that he's not going to drop out before New Hampshire.

But that's really the only state he's doing anything in.

And if anything, he's drawing votes away from someone like maybe Haley, who might be actually able to compete with Trump in New Hampshire.

Where is he polling in New Hampshire?

Some of the polls have him around 10%, which is not second.

He's usually

behind DeSantis or Haley.

Let me look it up real quick.

Because certainly Trump's way ahead even there.

Yeah.

Oh, look, Trump is ahead everywhere.

We talked about this a little bit yesterday.

Let me run this by you.

Tell me if you think this is the right way to look at this right now.

There are two different strategies, essentially two different things going on at the same time.

And Ron DeSantis has the real,

the real decision to make, I think more than anybody else when it comes to this.

But you have one traditional primary where everyone tries to win

the race.

I know this sounds weird, but like that, that is the way we normally think of these things, right?

You go in, you try to win.

You try to actually defeat all the other candidates and come out on top and get the nomination.

That is one way to run a primary.

The other way, which is like unique, it's like special, it's a special 2024 edition of primaries.

What you do is you run and act as if Donald Trump isn't doing anything at all.

He's a separate person.

He's a, you know, almost like he's a third-party candidate or something.

And what you do is try to win this second place primary

with the assumption that there's a decent chance that Donald Trump winds up in jail, right?

That the deep state comes out and is successful in one of their 95 charges against him and wind up somehow removing him from this race, either because he feels like I can't do this for some reason, or he, or they put him in prison, or he, whatever reason he decides he's going to drop out, he winds up being eliminated.

Maybe they remove him from ballots all over the country.

What they're trying to do.

And they have done.

So apparently in Colorado.

If that happens, there may be a need for a second place person.

And your goal is not to win this primary but to just come in second place so you are the next choice if the trump thing falls apart because you realize i can't actually win if he's if he's there the whole time right de santis is in that middle ground where he still is competitive in iowa at comparative to the national picture and he also has enough people who like donald trump that are voting for him and he's often the second choice for people voting for donald trump so he's kind of in that weird mode where he could try to beat Donald Trump, but he doesn't want to lose those voters.

Haley is in a different spot, right?

Haley's votes all seemingly come from the never Trump type of people in the party.

So she really, it's going to be hard for her to gain the 50% of people who are voting for Trump right now anyway.

So for her, you got to run for this second place ticket.

Like you're running for a second place primary.

Be there in case Trump falters, right?

DeSantis has a choice of whether to go for the whole thing and just beat him or to hang back and go for that second place decision.

And I feel like he's in between those two choices right now.

And I was wondering if last night he would be a little more aggressive.

He didn't seem to really criticize Trump.

I mean, it's amazing that we would go through an entire debate and no one really mentions that, you know, Donald Trump was the guy standing next to Anthony Fauci when the 15 days to slow the spread was uttered.

They might be afraid to do that.

I think they are.

Because you infuriate.

Trump's supporters.

You do.

And

Trump himself, who goes after people and destroys them.

Yeah.

That's what happened in 2016.

He just destroyed the rest of the field, all 17 or 18 of them.

And so I think they're a little gun shy now.

I don't think they want to even mention his name.

They want to pretend like, yeah, he's not even here.

Yeah.

And he's not there.

There was a story from early in the campaign from behind the scenes, and this was sort of a leak from the DeSantis campaign.

And, you know, again, it was a report.

You never know how accurate these things are.

But the report was that they tested a bunch of different ways to message DeSantis as a better president than Trump.

That's obviously what he should be doing right now.

There's no reason to elect Ron DeSantis if he's not as good a president, or would be as good a president as Donald Trump.

The same thing with Ramaswamy or Haley or anything.

If you're not better than Trump, then you might as well just pick Trump.

So how do you differentiate yourself?

Their early pick was, hey, let's call him out on the lockdowns, right?

He was there.

He was the person who he was on stage when 15 days to slow the spread happened.

He was the guy making the announcement.

It was going to last for for another month.

And while he was certainly better than Gavin Newsom and Andrew Cuomo and the worst of the worst, you know, Democratic governors, he was very involved in all of this stuff.

And he was standing next to Anthony Fauci.

He gave Fauci a medal of commendation at the end of his term.

Like all these things happened.

How do we message that?

And one of their ideas was

they tested

what about the lockdowns?

How do you feel about the lockdowns to Republican primary voters?

And overwhelmingly negative, right?

Exactly how you'd expect.

You know, 70%, 80% negative.

And then they tested it instead.

What if we called it the Trump lockdowns?

The negativity completely evaporated.

Oh, wow.

It turned into they got mad at the person delivering that message because they associated Trump with it.

And at some level, we can be critical of these candidates, but if that is the reality with voters, that they get mad at

that seems to be at times how it looks.

We've experienced that.

If that's true, how are you going to win?

You could say these guys are not running great campaigns, but like in reality, how do you beat someone who has that power?

You don't.

That's the end of that story.

If he's able to maintain that magical power throughout this primary,

you don't beat him.

That's

how that story ends.

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Well, discussing the debate last night, going to get to your thoughts on it coming up here in just a few minutes.

But I thought it was the best debate so far.

That's not saying much because the first two were terrible.

It's funny.

I said the same thing, and I was like, God, that was the best one.

That was terrible.

Yeah.

But I thought it probably was.

But I was surprised because it was on NBC.

Yeah.

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The typical warmongering last night I was interested in from Nikki Haley, to a certain extent, Tim Scott, too, and Chris Christie.

Those are the three war hawks, I think, on the stage and that are running for president.

What I liked from Ron DeSantis, one of the things, was that

he wouldn't commit.

He's not going to send troops to Ukraine, but he will send troops to the U.S.

border.

That's nice.

I like that.

Except I could hear people screaming at their television.

That's posse comitatus.

Passe comitatus.

You can't do that.

Passe comitatus.

He's going to deal with that if that really happens.

If he were to become president and actually fulfill that promise,

he'd have a nightmare on his hands.

No, that's true.

I mean, I think, I don't know.

Maybe I didn't take it as, you know, I did the old, maybe I did the old Trump thing here where I took him seriously, but not literally on that one.

I don't know.

You know, there's a lot of legal wrangling that would need to go on with that type of situation.

Yeah.

But the point is, I do want someone who's going to take the border seriously, and maybe that prioritizes our own country over foreign escapades.

Yeah.

You know, I will say for Haley in particular, and I think

Tim Scott as well, but he's just not as big a factor in the election.

The one thing I will say about Haley is she is outwardly advocating for her point of view and not trying to hide it.

And I do like that.

I mean, she, look, there is still a large percentage, or let's say a significant percentage of conservative voters who view the world that way and are want to be more aggressive in a foreign policy capacity.

And that is a significant group of voters in the primary, and they should have someone who's representing their views on stage.

And she does do that.

I don't know that the energy of the the party is there right now.

And I don't know that.

I think we're tired of it.

I think so, too.

I think that that is where most voters are.

Now, when you talk about a general election, it's kind of a different story.

I mean, the polling on Ukraine is not bad from a general election perspective.

I think I want to say it's, you know,

continued funding for Ukraine is something like 58.38 for

when you talk to a general election audience.

That's interesting.

Especially on the day yesterday where Vladimir Zelensky said, yeah, it's not the right time for elections.

Yeah, this is not.

They've got an election coming up that's supposed to happen in Ukraine.

Yeah, this is not the right time for elections.

After,

or even as the Republican candidates are calling, you know, Ukraine this beacon of democracy and freedom and all of that.

And they're the ones who are fighting for all of that.

As Zelensky is saying that, yeah, we're not going to do an election now.

It's not the right time.

Oh, hmm.

Oh, okay.

I thought he had just, did he just revise that and say that now it is the time for an election?

I thought he had just come out with that recently, but it still is.

No, yesterday or Monday, he said it's not the right time for an election.

It's not the right time.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, that's the ultimate position to be in.

You know what?

You know what?

It's not the time.

So we're not going to do that right now.

I mean, I don't know.

I don't get the infatuation with Ukraine.

I don't, I mean, I don't think, I don't get an infatuation with it.

I mean, I think

it's an issue where I totally understand from the Ukrainians' perspective why this is a problem.

Well, sure.

But I just don't know that it needs to be our job to do this.

Right.

And like, if you, I think the sensible place.

I'm tired of it being our job to take to police the world.

It's not our job.

And our founders would be

adamantly against it.

Yeah, I I do think

there are U.S.

interests in this particular battle because I don't like the idea of no buffer state between Russia and NATO.

And NATO is essentially us when it comes to war, unless we're dropping out of it.

So having that buffer state is important to us.

I think that is within the scope of American interests.

But that does, the scope of American interests does not extend to getting every inch of territory back for Ukraine.

That is in Ukrainian interests.

And if I was Ukrainian, I would guarantee

I would want Crimea back.

I want the whole Donbass region back.

But hey, that's not our gig.

Who was it that said they haven't had that since 2014?

Yeah, that was Ramaswamy, which I don't think is right.

Crimea since 2014.

I don't know about Donbas.

Yeah, the other regions.

Now,

there have been times where Putin's like, well, we ran a poll and they said they wanted independence.

They're with us now.

But it was not understood to be part of Russia, certainly, at that time.

Yeah.

But that's a whole other story.

The point is that what our interest is, is avoiding World War III.

That's my interest, at least.

Mine, too.

I want that to not be a thing.

Yeah, me too.

Like, you know, sometimes I was like,

no nuclear war.

How about that?

I was super into, gosh, what's Return of the Jedi going to be?

The third one.

I want to see.

It's actually the sixth one, but whatever.

Rocky III.

I really wanted that to come out.

I'm really passionate.

I can't wait to see it in theaters.

I can't wait on World War III.

I feel like they should take their time in theaters.

It's been a while.

It's been 70-some years since the one

the last sequel.

Get it right.

You're okay.

You know, let's wait until it's right.

All right.

Keep it in the edit base for a while, and let's wait on that one.

And that's my interest.

That is what the U.S.

interest is, right?

To avoid World War III, to avoid having to get involved in a NATO type of conflict with Russia.

And

so to that end, everything behind the scenes should be directed in that way.

Instead of telling, hey, hey, Zelensky, we're going to keep giving you unlimited weapons for an unlimited amount of time until you have your ultimate victory and every inch of territory is clawed back.

You might say those things publicly because obviously, once you back off of that, you're no longer negotiating from

a place of strength.

But privately, what this should be is, hey, guys, we'll do this until this date, which is really soon.

So you better figure out a way to

end this.

You had your attempt at a counter-offensive.

It hasn't really gone anywhere.

Everyone's locked in.

They've probably got landmines all over this territory anyway.

It's going to be a catastrophe even if you get it back.

Look, behind the scenes, let's find a way to wind this thing down because it's not unlimited support from us.

It doesn't seem like there's a lot of passion for that from a Haley or Biden.

You do see that, I think, probably from DeSantis.

At some level, you probably see it from Trump and maybe Ramaswamy.

But

the Haley position on this, I don't think is consistent with where the voters are in the primary.

Yeah, I don't think so either.

Maybe in the general, like you said, if it's 58, 38, I hadn't heard those numbers yet.

That's just the funding.

Does that mean it's everlasting funding?

I mean, I don't think, I think if Nikki Haley was president, do they know how much we've already funded that war to the tune of?

It's like hundreds of billions of dollars.

If you include the military with the humanitarian, whatever else, you know,

the small business loans and all the stuff we're giving them, it's over $200 billion.

It's a ton.

And are you willing to

keep that spigot open the whole time?

I mean, Haley, I think, certainly is.

Yeah, she is.

If Nikki Haley is elected president, there is basically, I would, I mean, almost no chance that this war has ended or we're funding it in 2029.

Yeah.

Right?

Like, that is like basically where I think her position is.

I think so, too.

And there's an argument to be made.

There's some smart national policy type conservatives or international policy conservatives who say this is the direction it should go.

I just see the risk as way too high.

Yeah.

And the gains not high enough.

I'm not saying that like, hey, let's just let Russia overrun Ukraine and

I don't think that's the right answer either.

I don't think that would be good.

But

our

goal cannot be.

the exact same goal as Ukraine in the situation.

Our goal is different because our interests are different.

Our interests interests are not, hey, they need to have full control of Crimea.

That is the right thing.

I think morally speaking, it is correct.

They should have control of that region.

It was their territory and it was taken from them.

But that is not our interest.

We have to be pragmatic in these moments, not just say, hey, well, this is, we're going to keep giving them money, unlimited time, unlimited money, unlimited everything.

for an unlimited period of time that drags into the 2030s and 40s.

I mean, that can't be the the answer here.

Can't.

All right, let's go to Bill in Michigan.

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Hi there.

I just had some opinions on the debate.

I think DeSantis needs to man up a little bit, take a shirt off, ride a horse bareback or something, just to give a little bit more masculine type feel to him.

I don't know if he has the abs for that.

I'm not sure.

We'll have to check that out.

If you put him in the active gun with Nikki Haley, Warwon, or Nick or Haley, I think she'd probably beat him up.

I don't know.

He was in the middle.

It doesn't seem like a weak guy.

He was in the military.

My 87-year-old mug thought he was thinking he's sort of wimpy.

Now, Vivek needs to quit smiling.

Otherwise, he just comes off as that schoolyard brat kid you just want to punch in the face.

Wanna McDaniel needs to go because she's a clueless on what's going on, and Trump needs to be

less decisive or divisive and bring more people into the fold as far as the Democrats.

We are all Trump, targeted Republic, under malicious people.

And I think he should be pushing to bring people together under that, to bring more of the Democrats on board.

But Ryan McDaniel's definitely got to go.

I've heard some long shot pleas in my life.

The idea that Donald Trump is going to be this big uniter, it's just not.

It's not a shtick, right?

Like, that's not what he does.

I don't think at 77 years old, all of a sudden he's going to be like, you know what?

Kumbaya, let's all sing together.

And that's not what he does.

No.

He gets people passionate and he needs to get 50.1% of those people to be really passionate and come out and vote for him.

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Hi, thanks for taking my call.

I'm a constitutional conservative, so I'm not rallying behind one candidate at this point, but the reality of this debate is that it was a race for VP and not president.

And

they need to play into the wheelhouse of the current leader of the GOP, which is Donald Trump.

So the winner of this debate that brought attention to truce, and I believe that that was Vivek Ramaswamy, And he did it when he called out NBC.

He did it when he called out Nikki Haley on being part of the military-industrial complex.

And he did it when he called out the pay-for-play corruption of the current president with Ukraine.

I think that's, I think he, look,

Vivek is the most,

most divisive candidates among conservatives that I've ever seen.

I mentioned this earlier, but it's true in that people either love the guy or can't stand the guy.

I don't know what it is.

I mean, I honestly don't feel that way about it.

And it's been that way for months.

I don't love him or hate him.

I think he has

things to say.

He's decent.

He's been on the show.

I like him.

I just don't, there is that real line.

People either see him at all.

No, he's a busy guy, though.

He's a busy, busy man who has no time for a morning show.

At least not an early morning show because

this show does happen live in the morning.

Yeah, but when you've had a show.

And you've had him on here on this show, but on Pat Gray Unleashed, which is from 6 to 8 Central, couldn't make it.

Too busy that time of day.

That's a very busy time of day.

Very, very busy.

And

I even said, look, you know what we could do is tape the interview later in the day.

Wow.

If 6 to 8 is not going to be a good time to be able to do that, he's busy at that time of day.

Busy at that time of day.

He's busy early and late.

If you have another slot.

What if it's somewhat early, but not late?

No, no.

He's got busy that time of day.

Big brunch date that day.

And he's doing his hair.

That's all, you know, he's a man.

He's got good hair.

He does.

He does.

Fascinating.

I don't know what it is about Ramaswamy where he just hits people.

Yeah, it's weird.

It's weird.

Again, the VP thing, I think, is interesting.

I don't think everyone on stage is running for a VP.

Ron DeSantis is not running for VP because there's no chance he will get VP.

I don't think Nikki Haley's doing that.

I don't think Chris Christie is certainly not doing that.

Vivek brings nothing to the table for Trump.

So it's unlikely to me that he would be the pick for vice president.

What's he going to bring to the table?

You need somebody who's going to help you in a swing state.

Maybe.

I mean, first of all, his home state is Ohio, right?

So, I mean, there's, I don't know if you don't really need him in Ohio anymore.

That was a swing state in 2004, not really so much today.

But we did see the results from this week that were not positive.

So maybe it's something to keep on the table.

Bigger, though, I think what Trump wants out of a VP.

I don't know what Trump wants out of a VP.

I was just going to rant on this.

I mean, God only knows because Mike Pence doesn't fit this at all.

But what it seems like he would want is someone who will go on television and argue passionately for his positions when he's not there to do it.

And Ramaswamy would be really good for doing that because he doesn't care at all.

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Let's go to Jeff in Florida.

Hey, Jeff.

Welcome.

Howdy, howdy.

Hey.

I didn't think he was rambling at all.

It just wore my battery down being on hold.

Listen, I went to the

Trump rally last night in Miami-Dade County, city of Hialeah, which is heavy, heavy Hispanic, predominantly Cuban.

Trump brought the masculinity.

I think if that was a question of what the other candidates might be looked at when you were talking about the debate, there was no doubt about that last night.

Trump arrived.

He delivered a great speech.

The crowd was...

was it was place was packed full of energy and he did go on the immigration thing i mentioned Hialeah and the Cubans, immigration about Trump saying, we have to remove people, and the crowd erupted with applause.

That was a big moment in that.

That's great.

Now, Jeff, so you were there?

Yep.

There was a lot of

maybe, and you said it was packed.

A lot of people were posting pictures of it not being quite packed.

Was that BS?

Were people lying about that?

Depends on what time of day you pack it.

It was at

a

stadium where you have football games.

They had a standing room only area.

They had the bleachers.

And this is South Florida in November.

The sun's shining on one side of the bleachers.

You know, that's stupid.

We're not going to go stand there and discuss

it.

Yeah, believe me.

The side that was in the shade was packed.

And then as the sun went below the horizon of the bleach on our side, the other stands were packed.

The whole place was packed.

Wow, that makes sense.

Yeah, because that's the big story, the takeaway from the press on that last night was that there was a lot of empty seats.

Yeah.

That is what they said.

That's interesting.

And I will say, as a person who's gone to

many Texas Rangers games in the old stadium in the middle of the summer, that's how the stadium would look.

One side is completely empty and the other side in the shade is completely packed because it was just so hot.

Although, I mean, November isn't, is it that hot in Florida?

I went to a BYU game

in Austin at the University of Texas a couple of weeks ago.

Oh, yeah.

And it was 86 degrees, and the sun was beating right in my face the whole game.

Yeah, I didn't want to sit there.

I was wishing I would have stayed home because it is miserable.

So, yeah, it's kind of understandable that people wouldn't stand there for a couple of hours in the Miami heat.

That's just not fun.

And, you know, it's probably humid there too, I would suspect.

So that's an interesting perspective for somebody who was actually there that it was packed and that there weren't a lot of empty seats.

Let's go to Mark in Florida.

Hey, Mark.

Well, hello, Pat and Sue.

I would like to say one thing about last night's debates.

You know, it's funny how all these Republicans are running with all the ideas that Trump did already, making America energy independent, safe borders, protecting America, and stopping wars from happening, the lowest GDP, the lowest unemployment, the lowest inflation.

Now, when you think about all these candidates, do you want a copy or do you want the original back in office?

And my question to you guys is this.

Which one of these candidates do you think will hit the ground running, accomplishing all these

achievements?

I don't think we're going to brag about the lowest GDP.

That's actually, you want the highest one.

But look, that's the argument for Trump, right?

He's done it already.

And if you believe he accomplished all of those things, you're going to vote for him.

He's already got those people, right?

Yeah.

But I also believe DeSantis is capable of that.

I think he could hit the ground running, but I don't know.

I haven't decided.

I haven't made up my mind yet, and that's what the primary process is all about.

I've already made up my mind for Doug Bergum.

Have you, really?

Bergum meant him all the way.

What about

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What about that?

He's going to make his run.

People aren't aren't talking about that.

I know.

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We're talking about the debate.

Let me quickly just mention this Harry Dunn situation, the Capitol Police Officer.

You want to check out the latest on the Blaze about him.

And Glenn's got a special coming up on this.

But he lied repeatedly and ridiculously

on the stand, on the witness stand.

The guy's mentally ill, left out a whole bunch of issues that he faces.

And so check that out at theblaze.com right now and then watch the watch those, you know, the blaze for when that

when that comes out because Glenn's, doesn't he have a special on this coming up?

I'm not sure.

It seems like I just read about that this morning.

All right, we got the debate situation from last night, which was, as we mentioned, I think, and I think you do too, Stu, the best so far, which is not saying enough.

Very low hurdle to clear.

Very low.

But I do think they cleared it.

It was, you know, it was a good.

It wasn't a ton of back and forth other than the highly

moments.

Yeah.

Les Holt wouldn't allow it.

And honestly, I kind of understand the approach after the last one, which was completely catastrophic.

I mean, it was the worst debate I've ever clustered in my first thing.

It was a cluster thing.

That's exactly what it was.

So

I was happy to see at least some conversation.

Again, I think someone pointed this out a little earlier, one of the phone callers.

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This seems like everyone's just kind of running for vice president, and there is that feel to it.

It doesn't have the energy.

It doesn't have the juice of a normal debate season because Trump is a very good person.

Everybody's so far to behind.

And, you know, when they're, in one case, 47 points, I think, behind in one of the polls, that's not typical, but

they're 30-plus points behind.

Even the closest candidate to Donald Trump is so far behind him that you're like,

okay, they don't have a chance.

Yeah, I mean, they don't have a chance.

DeSantis is a good 30 points behind in Iowa.

And that's the one where everyone says, well, it's a lot closer in Iowa.

It is closer in Iowa, but it's 30 points.

It's 230 points.

Now, he did get this big endorsement from the Iowa governor that we mentioned.

So maybe that'll help.

That'll probably help at some level.

I don't know how much.

But, you know, endorsements don't typically make massive differences, but it could move the polls a little bit.

You still have Haley is in second place in New Hampshire and South Carolina now.

Of course, South Carolina is going to be one of her best performing states, you'd think, considering she's the former governor of the state.

But

still, if you looked at this kind of in normal terms, you'd still look at this race and be in lay and think it's not really a race.

I mean, when the best days of RFK Jr.

in the Democratic primary looked somewhat similar to where the Republican primary is right now, I mean, you know, like RFK Jr.

never really was consistent around 20%.

He only had one poll that was there.

But if you look at him around 20%

and you say, well, DeSantis is also around 20%,

that gap is large.

So

I don't know.

And of course, you still have the RFK Jr.

independent candidacy, which is going to, who knows what that's going to do.

I think more polls have showed it's going to hurt Biden than Trump, but there have been examples where it hurts Trump as well.

I have no idea what's going to happen on that one.

Yeah, it's scary.

Yeah.

And

too many conservatives have been hoodwinked by that guy because he's good on a couple of issues.

Yeah, he is good on a couple of issues.

He's really good.

If you didn't like what happened during the pandemic, he's really good on that.

He's really good on the border right now, but he hasn't always.

That's a new flavor.

I don't know where that came from.

He's really, really bad on abortion, on climate change.

I mean,

he wanted to execute Glenn Beck.

And Rush Limbaugh.

I mean, so.

That was a real thing that happened.

It's a real thing.

Also, I would say.

He hasn't come on the show, by the way, has he?

No, he did answer.

Glenn did

a collection of questions to all the candidates.

Including him.

Including him, and he did answer them.

And Glenn liked a lot of his answers.

You know, I well, that's that's the thing.

I mean, he can trick you.

He's kind of, we know what he is, is basically an old school Democrat.

That's really what he is.

If you go back to the 60s and 70s, you'd find a lot of people.

Surprising in the Kennedy family because they're all old school.

They're all except for Ted, but

JFK and RFK.

Go back and look at old school guys.

You were the one that brought this to my attention, I don't know, probably five or ten years ago now.

But the clip of Harry Reid going off on the border in the 90s,

I mean, the guy sells

like a Republican.

There was a time.

Same with Chucky Schumer back in the early 2000s.

Yeah.

There was a time where Democrats took the border seriously, not because they care about the border, but because they care about union jobs and they were worried about union jobs being undercut.

That was the position of the Democratic Party for a long time.

He maintains it.

RFK Jr.

just maintains that same position.

He's also very similar to 60s and 70s Democrats when it comes to war, right?

Like that whole era of Democrats were anti-war basically at all costs, shrink the military.

This is who RFK Jr.

is.

And so, you know, look, he's good on some of things.

And they're certainly not there now.

Yeah, he seems to be good on Bitcoin, for example.

How real is that?

I don't know.

I mean, I don't know whether to trust the guy on some of the things that you can trust him that he really doesn't like vaccines.

That one is that's been fundamental to who he's who he is for a very long time.

You can trust him on that.

If that's what you're voting on, then you're probably going to like RFK quite a bit.

But you probably already liked him for a long time.

You know, I don't know how he's appealing to conservatives outside of that one issue, which is obviously just a brand new issue for conservatives.

That's always been a left-wing, a left-leaning viewpoint.

There's been conservatives who have been there.

I'm not saying there's been none, but overall, you're talking about people like Jenny McCarthy and Jim Kerry.

And, you know, that's been

the collection of people who were really passionate about that and won issue voters on that particular topic largely were more left in the past until COVID.

So that's, you know, I'm not surprised he'd made some inroads there.

But do I think he's going to get 22% as an independent?

No, I don't.

No, I don't think that's actually going to hold up.

We'll see.

Mike in Maryland.

Hi, you're on the Glenbeck program with Patton Stu.

Hey, how you doing?

Good.

I'm very concerned about inflation, and nobody's mentioning it.

If

you take these four items that I heard an economist talking about, it was the electric, the gas in your car, your food, and the heating oil for your home.

They're all going up after the first of the year, an average of 7.5%.

Now,

he

gives the people that depend on Social Security 3.2%.

They are way behind before they even start.

You're going to see old people with tents sitting in the streets.

At least you won't have needles out there.

You'll have the pens.

Nice.

That's a new problem.

Thanks, Mike.

It's true.

It was not mentioned a lot.

Now, there's some understandable reasons for that, considering international affairs have dominated the past month of coverage.

So I understand why they may be led with international affairs, but you're right.

Like, this is the number one issue.

It took about an hour to get to something domestic.

It was a long time.

Yep.

All right.

Let's go to Dwight in South Carolina.

Hey, Dwight.

Hi, guys.

Enjoying your show.

Thank you.

Thank you.

The one thing that I wanted to point out is the United States made a promise to Ukraine back when Ronald Reagan was president when Ukraine gave up the nuclear weapons.

Nikki Haley pointed that out and did it very well.

She did.

And for us to abandon Ukraine at this time

is just wrong.

The other thing is the way that we support them is with use of weapons, not with money.

Money is just an easy way to corrupt themselves.

Yes.

And we see that every day.

and that is a point, again, that came from Nikki Haley.

We use

proper support.

Nobody makes that support from the stage about Israel.

And trust me, I think we should support Israel.

But when we're talking about Ukraine, I really think that's a bigger deal than Israel is because it's about

domino effect in Europe.

Israel, of course, is a single nation, but when we're talking about Ukraine, you're talking about the next

country in line in NATO.

So let's defend them before it gets to NATO.

Look, I think there is a buffer state between Russia and NATO is in our interests.

Again, it's not about

letting Russia overrun everybody in Ukraine.

I mean, that...

No, it's not about abandoning them necessarily.

It's trying to end this thing somehow as quickly as possible because you don't know how it's going to escalate.

And yes, you know, you could say, well, oh, we don't want to send money.

We want to send weapons.

And like, I get that.

You're right.

I mean, it's better

in some ways, but it also is worse in some ways because

Russia is a nuclear superpower.

They have more nuclear weapons than we do.

And

they are seeing a situation.

To the Start Treaty, by the way.

They are seeing a situation in which we are supplying weapons that are killing their soldiers.

I understand.

That's how this leads to World War II.

That's how it leads to potentially.

three.

Yeah.

I mean, like, they, at some point, especially, especially if they start losing,

Vladimir Putin's going to look for a way to escalate this because he can't lose.

He cannot lose this fight.

He can't.

So, look, it's in our interest

not to let them get overrun and have a bunch of people be murdered, but it is in our interest to try to get this over as quickly as possible.

And the Middle East is incredibly important.

And Israel

is a huge ally, probably second only to Great Britain.

And there's some other responsibilities there to Israel, as far as I'm concerned.

As a Christian person, we've got some responsibilities there, biblically speaking.

There's people who disagree with that, of course, but it's also strategically incredibly important in the Middle East.

So,

and not to mention the fact that we've got 20 hostages in the hands of a Hamas.

And our soldiers have been attacked by Iranian forces and Iranian proxies in the Middle East.

And

there's been, what, 40 injured troops

who are U.S.

troops on bases in Syria being attacked by

Iran and their proxies in Hamas.

So we do have American interest in Israel.

And by the way, just another recommendation.

If you happen to be running a small to moderate-sized country that's a nuclear power, don't give up your nuclear weapons, even when America asks you to.

Because I will tell you, nothing good comes.

This situation would be much better if Ukraine had just kept their nuclear weapons.

Because, and I know that was controversial.

It's somewhat of a deterrent, though.

It is a deterrent.

These countries don't get overrun.

Once you have them, you don't want to give them up.

This is why we want to prevent people like Iran from getting them, right?

The only country who has ever given them up, really, because, I mean, Ukraine's a weird situation.

They were technically the Soviet, and they were splitting from the Soviet Union.

So in a way, they weren't theirs, but I would have held on to them if I were Ukraine.

South Africa is the only one who's ever done it.

They just gave them up.

And again, they're not in a region where it's necessarily all that important.

But you don't give them up once you get them because this sort of stuff can happen to you.

And Ukraine is facing the ramifications of that decision many years later.

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Let's go with Jay in New York.

Jay, welcome to the Glenn Beck program with Pat and Stew.

Hey, Pat and Stu.

Good to talk to you.

Great to talk to you.

Hey, guys.

Hey, guys, I did watch the debate last night, but I kind of want to pivot a little bit.

How come I don't hear more people talking about what we're doing to prevent the election from being stolen again?

That's a good question.

Like in 2020.

I mean, it was pretty conclusive that they produced midnight votes via mail-in ballots.

I think you've touched on Stu's favorite topic.

Here's my issue, and I appreciate the call, Jane.

And it's a question that a lot of people have.

So it's good to talk about it.

I think we should do more as Republicans, or if you are a Republican, I'm actually not a registered Republican.

I'm just a conservative, but we should be encouraging our base to get out the vote, to

gather up people like Democrats do and take them to the polls and make sure they can vote too.

We should be doing like-minded things, even if they didn't steal the election.

Let's do the things that get mass amounts of people to the polls.

Well, I guess this is, you're highlighting, I think, how where my concern comes in on this point, Pat, which is why?

Why should we do the things you just recommended?

Why?

What's the point of that?

So that we win.

But do you win?

Because if you're convinced that every election is going to be stolen, there's no real point in going out and voting, right?

Because it's going to be stolen from the election.

I don't buy into that necessarily.

No, I know.

And I think a lot of people say, okay, well, maybe it happened last time.

Honestly, like, if...

I think there were problems.

I mean, if you've watched Dinesh D'Souza's 2,000 Mules, you know there were some problems.

But I think the question is whether you're talking about it or not.

Now, the right thing to do is, obviously, places like Georgia and Texas have passed really good laws that have helped, I think, the security of the vote going forward.

And I think that's the right thing to do.

But you have to realize that a lot of these states that people are concerned that were stolen last time have Democrats in control and have had Democrats in control ever since the last one was stolen.

So if you get to that point where it can become a sort of defeatist loop, right?

Where you're thinking only about the election being stolen and not getting people out.

If the election is going to be stolen, we're all screwed.

Yeah.

We're all screwed.

There's probably no way to stop it because Democrats have control of enough states to be able to take this at every state.

So the better way to

go forward is to do everything you can to protect the election and the election integrity, but in addition, act as if none of that's going to happen and do the best job you can do to get people out to the polls and all the things that Pat just suggested.

Because if they're going to steal it, you're probably screwed anyway.

If they're not, you need people.

I'll tell you, in Ohio, Republicans just didn't come out.

That was the problem in Ohio.

It wasn't because abortion is unpopular.

It was because, or pro-life side is unpopular in Ohio.

It was because Republicans did not get activated in Ohio.

They were outspent and did not get activated.

They did not show up to vote for life.

That's bad.

That's really bad.

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Your thoughts on, we haven't gotten to the abortion aspect yet of the debate last night, which was

interesting.

Fascinating.

It's a fascinating moment in that debate, in the pro-life movement.

It's a fascinating

moment.

And you see some people kind of

getting,

some would say squishy on the issue and others trying to hold the line.

You think Nikki Haley was squishy?

I do think she's squishy on the issue.

I do too.

She does not want to actually say what she wants to do.

Right.

If I get a bill, I'll sign it, but we don't have 60 votes.

Well, we know you don't have 60 votes.

That's not what we're asking, whether you can get it done tomorrow.

We understand.

And also, it's not even the way to do it, right?

It's unclear at all whether a 15-week or 18-week or two-week ban, whatever the thing is that you'd pass at the national level, would actually be constitutional.

It seems to be

quite clear.

It wasn't by the, by the Dobbs ruling.

They basically said it's a state's issue.

States get to deal with it.

Right.

So what you would have to do then is amend the U.S.

Constitution.

Right.

Which, by the way, we should be fighting for every day, in my view.

Me too.

Me too.

That's the way to deal with it.

Either you believe that babies should be born or you don't.

Seems to me to be a black and white issue.

Now, I will say there is a pretty strong political argument to be made that, you know, look, this could hurt Republicans in these elections.

I talked to Megan Kelly yesterday on her program, and she made that point, and it is a valid one.

It's a concerning one for Republican candidates to try to figure out how to go down the line.

Now, look, I don't think abortion was honestly that big of a factor in what we saw this week.

You know, if you look at Kentucky, for example,

and you look at Bashir winning in Kentucky, you'd say, well, it was abortion.

And a lot of his ads were about abortion, right?

He tried to make it seem like Cameron would basically,

he would spend most of his mornings inside of women's wombs looking for children.

Like that was

essentially what they made it out to be.

However, wasn't that a campaign promise from Cameron, though?

Yeah, he did make that promise.

He'd spend most of his mornings in women's wombs.

It was his womb guarantee.

That's how he branded it.

But

if you look at the actual fundamentals of that race, Bashir, who's a Democrat and should not be well liked by Republican voters in Kentucky, has a 60% approval rating in Kentucky.

The fact that he won that election is not a surprise.

And if you look at the other candidates who were up for election, Republicans did very well, winning easily in most cases.

So this was a.

Virginia was the big problem.

But Virginia, I don't think, look.

And I don't know if it was abortion there.

Virginia,

I think Ohio is the most central to abortion.

We'll get to that in a second.

But Virginia is a, let's be honest about what Virginia is.

Virginia is a blue state.

That's what it is.

It is now.

Okay.

It's a blue state.

It's not a purple state anyway.

With a Republican governor.

Right.

It's got a Republican governor who overperformed one time.

And the losses that have happened here are coming off of very good results previously.

That's not the norm for Virginia.

Virginia is going to be a blue state in 2024.

I know that's my guess.

It's not really even a battleground place anymore.

It is not a battleground state.

The fact, this is a moderate voting base that went for a moderate Republican candidate.

And what did the Republicans do there?

They didn't go for a ban on abortion.

They went for a 15-week limit, a 15-week limit in Virginia.

They didn't try to do anything extreme there.

That's fairly reasonable.

And it didn't even work.

Now, look, if you poll specifically a 15-week ban, it actually polls pretty well because

about two-thirds of voters think really after the first trimester,

you're past your window here.

This gets a little crazy.

The second trimester, about 67% of voters across the board, not just Republicans across the board, say, Look, second trimester should not be legal.

First trimester, sure.

Second trimester, no.

Certainly not the third.

Third trimester.

What is that?

80%?

It's only 14% support it.

I think it's 83.14, if I'm remembering correctly, for third trimester.

So these are wildly unpopular proposals.

And what's interesting about

Ohio, which is where I think you could make the most central case, obviously it was a specific question about this.

There's a lot of asterisks there you need to point out.

Number one, when you look at who showed up in Ohio, it was not the normal Ohio voters.

What happened in Ohio was a state that is Trump plus eight in 2020.

We won it by eight points.

The electorate that showed up on Tuesday was Biden plus two.

What this means is Republican voters were not activated.

The Democrats were inspired to come out in a total off-year election with nobody on the ballot, no presidential election, no governor.

Right.

So they showed up to that election.

It was a way to activate Democrats in an election they normally wouldn't care about.

And that works in 2023.

Does that work in 2024?

Are there going to be a lot of Democrats being like, I don't know, I'm not interested in this presidential election until they put a ballot initiative on?

I don't think that works at all in a presidential year.

We will see if I'm wrong on that.

The other part on this is

what's interesting about the abortion issue is that neither party's stance is popular.

Neither party.

has a popular view when it comes to this and when it comes to normal voters.

Democrats want nine-month abortion.

As I just mentioned, it's a 14% approval rating on that.

What would you say?

I mean, it's a little more difficult to say the Republican stance on this as a party, but I would say it's,

I would say it's, let's say,

publicly forever, they were arguing for a 20-week ban.

Tim Scott and Lindsey Graham are saying 15-week.

There are a lot of people who will say heartbeat bill.

Almost everyone in the Republican Party is going to say exceptions for rape and incest and those types of things.

Mother of life and life of the mother.

So that's arguably their position.

That position is

the 15-week ban is pretty popular.

If you want to say the Republican position is as short as possible with the exceptions, you could say that's fair.

And that position isn't particularly popular.

But in Ohio, a red state, the Democrats did not go for a, well, we would like a

20-week, you could go up to 20 weeks.

What they went for was everything that they wanted.

They went for a California, Illinois, New York message.

They went for, we want every abortion to happen that can possibly occur.

We want all babies to be aborted if it's at all humanly possible.

Can we abort all of them?

Why do we need these babies?

They don't even, they don't, they can't vote.

Screw them.

They basically want everybody to be aborted.

It's true, though.

Babies can't vote.

They can't vote yet.

They can't vote.

Now, what's interesting about what they did is they hid what they were doing.

They went for 100% of their desires and then hid behind contraception and miscarriage care and all sorts of bizarre things that no one was fighting against them on.

They put it all in there and hoped that Ohio voters, number one, wouldn't be activated on the pro-life side, the ones that knew what was going on.

And number two, the voters that showed up out of nowhere would go in and say, wow, well, I don't want my contraception to go away.

That's exactly what happened.

And that's what happened.

That's how they went.

So I would argue none of these three situations are really central to abortion fundamentally.

You You know, the Ohio, this is going to be the tactic from the left, and the Republicans need to find a way to fight back against it, and they don't have it right now.

And that's a problem.

They're always so bad at messaging.

Horrible.

Look what the Democrats did.

They said they convinced people that someone was out trying to stop their miscarriage care.

Yeah, come on.

Give me a freaking break.

And they act like nobody's stopping that.

They act like Planned Parenthood is about women's health care, which it is not.

It's got nothing to do with women's health care.

That's not where women go to get health care.

This is a handmaid's tale fantasy.

None of this stuff is happening.

But they keep telling people it's happening.

Of course, you can't even get most women's health care at Planned Parenthood.

No.

They'll show you where you can sometimes.

Sometimes.

If they even have access to that information.

Often they will send them to pre-born clinics, by the way.

The sponsor we just talked about, who will actually give support to mothers who need it, unlike what Planned Parenthood does, which is incredible.

I mean,

you know, 60% of women,

according to the pre-born people, 60% of women would prefer,

of women who've had abortions would have preferred to have given birth if they had the support that pre-born gives them.

But they're not told about that.

In fact, they're encouraged to just have the abortion because it's just a clump of cells anyway.

Yeah.

And look, it's madness.

At the end of the day, it's not without any evidence when it comes to abortion being a negative, a drag on some of these elections, particularly in purple states.

It probably is going to be a problem for some Republican candidates.

And my view is that you should go for as much as you can get.

In Texas, you should have it fully banned, which it is, largely, with some exceptions.

If you are in Virginia, you know, maybe 15-week ban is all you can go for, and that's all you're going to be able to get right now.

And you should get that and lock it in and try to take every step you can to keep babies alive as much as possible.

But at the end, you need different approaches for different areas.

I'm not denying that.

But at the end of the day, if at the end of, forget at the end of the day, at the end of your life, if what you have traded is a few election losses for the lives of children, you know, I'm not going to feel bad about that decision.

What's the Lord going to say?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ah, you guys should, you guys needed that congressional district, though.

Oh, man.

Oh, yeah, sure, you're going to see that.

Stevens lost in Ohio because

you wanted babies to be born.

Right.

That's not going to happen.

You know, eternally, I'm not going to have too much of a problem with that decision.

I got to be honest with you.

I'm just not going to feel bad about it.

And I'm not saying, you know, Megan brought this up.

It really could.

There are real instances of this potentially causing

election losses for Republicans.

And

if you lose elections, you're not going to have the power to put in better abortion laws.

These are all valid arguments and need to be considered wherever you are.

And the long-term battle here is not going to be based on whether you win or lose elections or laws are passed.

It has to be changing people's hearts and minds.

The same way slavery, I mean, like, look, slavery, right?

Yes, became a constitutional amendment at one point.

And of course, thankfully, was banned.

But like, if you put it, if you got rid of that amendment today.

At the beginning of that fight, it was a losing proposition as well.

It was.

I mean, another example.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't have fought for it.

Another example of this is 2004, right?

Republicans and George W.

Bush, in an an effort to get re-elected, put anti-gay marriage amendments all over the country.

They fought hard to get those on state ballots so they could win largely the presidential election.

It worked.

Democrats lost.

They didn't run away from that.

You could say they lost that election, but what was the long-term concept?

Long-term, they won that battle, or at least are winning that battle, certainly.

There's almost no debate over gay marriage anymore.

2004 is the biggest issue in the country.

Yeah.

Right.

And so you stand by your principles and try to win and go for what you want.

The Democrats do this all the time.

They don't go for half measures.

They're more patient than we are.

How much effort did they put in civil unions?

Very little.

They got them in a couple of states, but like that was never their goal and not what they went for.

Neither was marriage.

That wasn't the ultimate goal.

And they're fighting for the marriage.

We see that.

We see what that is now, right?

They're going for much far.

They're going much farther, and they're into trans issues and all sorts of different things.

And if you think, if you're passionate about fighting that, would you stop fighting it if it wasn't so popular, if it cost you elections?

Would you stop fighting for girls to have rights?

I doubt it.

It's important to make sure you do have some sort of principle.

We'll get your thoughts on this coming up here in a minute.

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Hey, Chris,

you're on the Glen Beck program.

Hi, good.

Hey, you know, you guys are doing a lot of analysis on voters, and you know, every time I hear somebody do that,

I start screaming.