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So, yesterday on Facebook, Oliver Anthony, Sarah, do we have a little bit of the Oliver Anthony song?

For anybody who hasn't heard it yet, I find it hard to believe that you haven't, but maybe you haven't.

Here's a piece of his song:

working home day,

North.

Oh,

pay, so I can sit out here, waste my life away,

drag back home and drink my troubles away.

It's a damn shame what the world's gotten to

for people like me

and people like you.

Wish I could just wake up and not be true, but it is

all it is

living in the new world

with an whole soul.

These rich men, north, the rich men, Lord knows they all just want to have total control.

Want to know what you think?

Wanna know what you do.

And they don't think you know, but I know that you do.

Cause your dollar ain't,

and it's taxed to no hen.

Cause the rich men, north, the rich men.

This is an amazing song, song, an amazing story, as it was.

And then last night, he went and posted on Facebook.

He said, it's been difficult as I browse through the 50,000-plus messages and emails I've received in just the last week.

The stories that have been shared paint a brutally honest picture.

Suicide, addiction, unemployment, anxiety, depression, hopelessness.

And the list goes on.

I'm sitting at such a weird place in my life right now.

I never wanted to be a full-time musician, much less sit at the top of the iTunes charts.

Draven, a friend from Radio West Virginia, and I filmed these tunes on my land with the hope that it might, maybe, hit 300,000 views.

I still don't believe what has went on since we uploaded that.

It's strange to me.

People in the music industry give me blank stares when I brush off $8 million offers.

I don't want six tour buses, 15 tractor trailers, and a jet.

I don't want to play stadium shows.

I don't want to be in the spotlight.

I wrote the music I wrote because I was suffering with mental health and depression.

These songs have connected with millions of people on such a deep level because they're being sung by somebody feeling the words in the very moment they were being sung.

No editing, no agent, no BS, just some idiot and his guitar.

The style of music that we should have never gotten away from in the first place.

That being said, I've never taken time to tell you who I actually am, so here's the formal introduction.

My legal name is Christopher Anthony Lunsford.

My grandfather was Oliver Anthony, and Oliver Anthony music is a dedication not only to him, but the 1930s Appalachia where I was born and raised.

Dirt floors, seven kids, hard times.

At this point, I'll gladly go by Oliver because everybody knows me as such, but my friends and family still call me Chris.

You decide for yourself.

Either way is fine with me.

I feel you on that one, Oliver.

I feel you.

I feel you as Stu.

I feel you.

In 2010, I dropped out of high school at the age of 17.

I have a GED from Spruce Pine, North Carolina.

I worked multiple plant jobs in western North Carolina, my last job being in a paper mill in McDowell County.

I work third shift six days a week for $14.50 an hour in a living hell.

In 2013, I had a bad fall at work, fractured my skull, and it forced me to move back home to Virginia.

Due to complications from the injury, it took me six months or so before I could work again.

From 2014 until just a few days ago, I worked outside sales in the industrial manufacturing world.

My job's taken me all over Virginia and into the Carolinas, getting to know tens of thousands of other blue-collar workers on job sites and in factories.

I've spent all day, every day for the last 10 years hearing the same story.

People are so damn tired of being neglected, so tired of being divided and manipulated.

In 2019, I paid $97,500 for the property and I still owe about $60,000 on it.

I'm living in a 20-foot camper with a tarp on the roof that I got off Craigslist for $750.

There's nothing really special about me.

I'm not a good musician.

I'm not really even a very good person.

I've spent the last five years struggling with mental health and using alcohol to drown it.

I'm sad to see the world the state's in, with everyone fighting with each other.

I've spent many nights feeling hopeless that the greatest country on earth is quickly fading away.

That being said,

I hate the way the internet has divided all of us.

The internet is a parasite that infects the minds of humans and has their way with them.

Hours wasted, goals forgotten, loved ones sitting in houses with each other distracted all day by technology made by the hands of other poor souls in sweatshops in a foreign land.

When is enough enough?

When are we going to fight for what's right again?

Millions have died protecting the liberties we have.

Freedom of speech is such a precious gift.

Never in the world history has the world had freedom that it currently has today.

Don't let them take that away from you

just like those once wandering in the desert we have lost our way from god and have let false idols distract us and divide us

it's a damn shame

i want you to

i want you to take his words at heart for a minute

that he only did this because he only wrote this song not because he's a songwriter but because that's in him.

And he was struggling with something and he shared it.

He didn't share it knowing that it would become this.

He wasn't trying to do anything grand.

He was just trying to solve a problem for himself.

And then he shared.

That's really the hard part.

Sharing.

Because we're all so afraid and we're becoming more and more afraid of each other because people are actively trying to destroy our relationships with one another, destroy our modes of communication,

our

empathy for one another.

We look at people now, if we even look at them,

as just, I don't even know, objects.

Because the real world

has

become real in the fake world.

That's the world too many people are living in.

They're living online.

And we're not treating people.

We're treating people like we treat people online.

And

everybody's feeling it.

Everybody knows it.

He's not just connecting.

The reason why he has to be destroyed is because he's the average guy who's just in his own way.

Let his voice be heard.

I'm on this incredible journey this summer.

I don't know where this is going to take me or take us,

but I'm trying to solve a problem for my children.

And

I shared it on the air a few weeks ago.

And it was just me just sharing.

I wasn't trying to do anything other than just share what I was going through.

And I can't tell you how many people have reached

out to me and said, oh my gosh,

I'm having the same problem.

I don't know what to do, but I'm with you.

I think this is what Billy Graham told me.

That if people will just do exactly what the Lord says to do, and some people don't know what that is.

Some people don't hear him clearly.

I honestly,

I think I hear him.

I think I'm going to die and I'm going to get up there.

And he's like, dude, that wasn't me.

More medication next time around.

But I feel like I'm guided in some ways.

You know, everything I do wrong, it's me.

Everything that I do that is good is because of him.

But Billy Graham told me, if everybody will just do their one thing, and they're going to think that it is no big deal.

They're going to think this is stupid.

This isn't going to change anything.

He said, it's as if the Lord is planning a surprise party for Satan.

And the lights are going to come on and we'll be just as surprised as he is.

And the Lord will just go, surprise?

And what we'll see in the light is that everyone doing just what they were supposed to do, nothing more, nothing less, has made this mosaic.

that we will all recognize only the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob could put together.

The things you do

just to solve something for yourself,

when you share them,

I think shocking things come out of them.

We all think that we don't have anything important to share or anything important.

We hide.

We hide our, in my case, alcoholism and self-doubt.

We all think, I don't, there's nothing special about me.

But there is.

There really is.

I mean, look at this.

Here's this song that has just

broken all of the.

I mean, I've never seen the top 10.

You know, in the Beatles' era, in Elvis' era, it wasn't uncommon for the top 10 to have five Beatles songs in it.

I haven't seen that from a guy who's completely unknown.

This is why evil is tearing us apart.

This is why evil is trying to get us to not talk to each other.

Evil cannot allow us to share what we really believe.

Evil cannot allow us to see our common humanity, our common fears, our common problems, our common solutions, our joys, our wants.

I'm convinced the first time I went over to Israel, I met with a bunch of Palestinians and I met with a bunch of Jewish people separately.

And what struck me was,

ah, they're saying the same things.

I don't know why they can't solve this problem.

They're saying the same things.

I just want my kids to grow up in peace.

I just want to go to work and be safe and

maybe have enough to be able just to live my life.

I don't need a jet.

I don't need a big house.

I don't need any of that.

I just want my children to do a little better than I am.

And that doesn't mean necessarily that they do better financially.

We've put everything into finances.

I've never said to my kids,

You know what?

Someday you're going to do better than I have.

I've told my kids the whole time, good luck with that, because I won the lottery.

There's no excuse, no reason

I'm the success that I am.

Here's what I want you to do.

My dream for you is this that you're happier than I am, that you have found peace faster than I found it.

Others make us feel needy, make us want to make us need to follow our wants and to fear one another.

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it is, it is crazy.

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I did it with Charlie Duke.

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he was the guy who said,

Eagle, Houston, go for touchdown.

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He was the guy in Houston when they would say, Houston, we have a problem.

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16, thank you.

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Let's see what this baby can do.

I'm like, you are, you're nuts.

Anyway, I talked to him about the moon landing.

How do we know the moon landing is real?

And he said to me, I can't tell you what NASA did with the other astronauts, but I went to the moon

and how that played a game in his head.

You know, I did an interview once with Buzz Aldrin, and I talk about it in this episode.

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that his life stopped, you know, and you understand it because, as he said to me, and Charlie said the same thing:

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You're 36 years old.

I think Buzz, yeah, Buzz was probably about the same age.

You're 36 years old.

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He's

only two of them are left that have walked on the moon.

We get his thoughts on how to deal with life after that.

Also,

did we actually go to the moon?

Oh, he's he's got some great things to say.

Uh, you'll love it.

It's Charlie Duke, episode 190.

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We have Jason Whitlock on with us in about an hour from now to talk about the blind side.

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Yeah, that's right.

Said his name.

Yeah.

You know, he said some incredible things, and

it appears now that it's coming out that they're not true.

I don't know what would prompt him to do this, but I saw an amazing tweet yesterday that

who was the woman in that movie?

It was

the actual actress, Sandra Bullock.

Yeah, Sandra Bullock.

That Sandra Bullock should give her Oscar back.

Oh, God.

Why should Sandra Bullock was she?

Do you get Oscars because of the person you're playing, or do you get Oscars for the ability to play a role and pull it off?

I don't really.

understand that whole thinking.

But anything they can do to attack that movie and to have you no longer believe in goodness of people.

But Jason is on this, and he's got quite a lot to say about it.

So, Jason Whitlock from Fearless, a program on Blaze TV.

If you haven't seen it yet, you really need to.

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We also have

coming up in hour number three, we have Tulsi Gabbard.

Tulsi, obviously from Hawaii, is going to fill us in on the things that she knows.

She is a reservist, and so she is on duty now, so she can't talk about anything regarding politics, and I don't want to ask her that.

I just want to know what's happening in Maui.

You know, yesterday,

I came to you, and I said, hey, you know, let's raise some money for these people in Maui.

They're in real trouble, real trouble.

I don't really know what's true.

I'm hearing that there are more deaths that have not been reported.

And I don't know if that's true.

I think it is.

You know, one of the guys who did the

was late on the water,

he apparently didn't, he was concerned with water equity, believe it or not.

And some of his past remarks would lead one to believe he believed the water was more important than humans.

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you know, if he said it's, you know, it would cause people to run up the mountain into the fire, because that's what you should have done if it was a hurricane, and that's what those sirens meant.

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But I don't know if he is.

And so we wish him well and prayers are with him and all of the people that are involved in this.

But it really looks like

the progressive politics just led the way in this fire, which is really, really disturbing.

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on that.

Also,

the author of Moon Man, I'm going to spend a few minutes with him before before we end the show.

He thinks that we didn't land on the moon.

And so I just

wanted to get, you know, equal times to equal time.

That's an interesting equal time premise there.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

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The way this drug is being sold is that you can just get it in the mail, and then it's no big deal.

It's just like a heavy flow.

That's what they're actually, doctors are saying this, that it's just like a heavy flow.

It's no big deal.

It's not like that.

Now, I've never had a light flow or a heavy flow because I'm a guy and guys don't have that.

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from what has been told to me by women and nurses and doctors.

Depending on how old the child is when you take this stuff, it can be really debilitating.

And then you end up with a child.

You give birth.

And if it's very, very early, maybe it is like a heavy flow.

But we don't know how old these children are that they're trying to abort.

Now, let me just say you're a teenage girl.

You don't know what to do.

You feel trapped.

You feel like I can't tell anybody.

Or

you're a woman whose husband

is not a good guy, and you just can't have another baby with that husband.

And he'll beat you.

And you'll know if you don't kill the baby, he will.

You feel trapped.

So you take this

and you're told that it's no big deal.

The trauma that women go through in their bathrooms delivering a dead baby

is not only something that will scar you for life.

It's not like, you know, you go into an abortion clinic and everything's taped off and you're not seeing anything.

I know people who have had abortions that they hear the sound of suction and they just go cold because they associate that sound with what happened.

Now imagine that you're alone in your bathroom and you've just given birth to a dead baby.

You don't know what to do with it.

You didn't expect this.

The trauma that you have just from that moment is bad enough, but then you have to go back to the scene of that trauma every day, maybe several times a day,

and be in that bathroom over and over and over again.

Does that sound mentally healthy for anyone?

So what the court said was, first of all, we have to know the age of the child.

It cannot be dispensed after seven weeks.

And only a doctor can dispense the drugs.

And there has to be a follow-up to ensure there's no adverse

events

from the drug.

Is this unreasonable?

Or should do what New York is doing?

New York is just now stockpiling this drug.

Just in case the Supreme Court says you can't do that, New York is just going to do it anyway.

Honestly.

Honestly, the trauma to girls and to women should be enough to stop this without a doctor.

I mean, I think it should be banned entirely, but

if you want to be open-minded and dismiss that you're killing a child,

you should be under a doctor's care the whole time.

You should not have to do that alone.

My gosh.

And so New York is just going to start stockpiling these drugs so they can continue to send them out, even if the Supreme Court says they can't.

That is, honestly, that's like, you know, the Nuremberg trials are coming up, and the world's about to say Zyklon B shouldn't be used in shower rooms to gas people, and Germans decide we're going to stockpile Zyklon B.

There's nothing more evil.

It's just evil.

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There is a lot to report on today.

One of the things is

James Comer has sent a letter to the National Archives and the Records Administration requesting all unredacted records and communications regarding Biden's official duties as vice president that overlapped with his son Hunter Biden's activities in Ukraine.

In particular, Comer is seeking documents in which Joe Biden allegedly used a pseudonym.

His son former business partners, Hunter Biden, Eric Schwenderin, and Devin Archard are all copied on these.

All drafts of the then Vice President Biden speech delivered to Ukraine's parliament in December 2015.

Comer said the Oversight Panel wants unrestricted special access under the Presidential Records Act to case number 2023-0022F entitled Email Messages to and or from Vice President Biden and Hunter Biden related to Burisma and Ukraine.

They have been published on the National Archives website.

Burisma Holdings is the Ukrainian energy company that employed Hunter Biden, paid the family like, I don't know how many millions.

The records were redacted for public release.

According to the Freedom of Information Act, for example, an email bearing the subject Friday schedule card is withheld in part under a P6 and B6 restriction denoting personal information regarding the subject

is confidential.

Attached to the email and made available on the National Archives website is a document that indicates at 9 a.m.

May 27, 2016, Vice President Biden took a call with the President of Ukraine.

It is

concerning to the committee, however, that this document was sent to Robert L.

Peters.

Now, who's Robert L.

Peters?

Well that is a pseudonym that we know from the Hunter laptop that that was the cover name for Joe Biden.

He would be Robert L.

Peters.

Additionally, the committee questions why the then Vice President's son Hunter Biden and only Hunter Biden was copied on this email to then Vice President Biden.

So

now we're really getting to it.

I think these are, we're now seeing the Nixon tapes.

This is the point to where everybody is saying, I wasn't in business, I didn't know.

Now we have archived emails that we know went to Vice President Biden under a pseudonym.

Why would he be using a pseudonym for his correspondence with Ukrainian president?

And why would the Ukrainian president be,

you know, messaging Robert L.

Peters when it's supposed to be Joe Biden, and why did he CC Hunter Biden on this?

That doesn't make any sense.

This is, I think, this is the missing minutes of

the Nixon scandal myself.

Really?

So, I mean,

how sure are we that this is actually him?

Is there a confirmation?

Is there a.

Yeah, there's confirmation in Hunter's laptop.

On Hunter's laptop in emails, he talks about his dad's pseudonym being Peters, Robert L.

Peters.

And

so we know that's what Hunter said in emails.

He referred to his dad as Robert L.

Peters.

Now we have...

an email going to the vice president as he was vice president but sent to him under the pseudonym robert l peters

it's uh

It's so bizarre, but I mean, you think with these guys, the way they've been trying to cover this, they've not been particularly successful.

They've left a lot of open threads or visible threads to pull.

And as you go through all these allegations, this would make sense, right?

Like they keep saying, well, there's no evidence that ties this back to Biden, Joe Biden.

Of course, there's tons of evidence that ties this back to Joe Biden, including texts from Hunter Biden's business associates describing to each other why, because they're not allowed to talk about Joe Biden in texts with Hunter because they're paranoid.

You can only bring that up in person.

These are things that obviously are evidence, but maybe not necessarily definitive proof.

And that's a different standard.

The media keeps saying there's no evidence, and maybe they mean there's no definitive proof.

The case hasn't been proven in front of a court of law, certainly, yet.

But man,

there's a lot of smoke for there to be no fire here oh there there's too much you know the the one thing the media never talks about and we rarely talk about it something we exposed two years ago the state department issued memos to the uh obama administration and to the office of the white house the state department said what hunter is doing is against the law and this really has to stop.

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And it was just brushed aside.

Have you heard that evidence?

I mean, that the State Department was worried about this and needed it to stop and it wouldn't stop?

I don't know.

That sounds kind of disturbing.

But Biden may not go to jail, but when we find this Robert L.

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I am thrilled to have in the studio with me from Angel Studios Neil Harmon.

He is, you're the CEO of Angel, are you not?

Yes.

So

Neil and I, we've known each other forever because you started something called, I keep on saying, Vid Angel.

Yeah, Vid Angel.

Vid Angel.

And that was something that I so wanted to invest in because I so believed in this.

But when I was approached, you were just being sued by Disney.

And I know Disney, they never lose a lawsuit.

And

it was pretty dear in the headlights kind of time.

And I remember sitting there thinking, oh my gosh, oh my gosh, they're going to destroy these people.

That's not what happened.

Hang on, before you say, I just want you to know as an audience,

nobody ever beats Disney.

Nobody ever beats Disney.

And Disney was the one who had in its vault and kept the sound of freedom in their vault for years.

I had seen this movie five years ago

and it was great.

And then it was never released, never released.

It's because Disney bought it in a deal and just put it in the vault.

They had no intention of releasing it.

So the extra sugar on top is that

Disney is now looking at the movies and the top rankings of the movies of the year, and they don't have The sound of freedom.

But anyway, tell the story about

what was happening.

So,

yeah,

what you said about Disney, I remember the day that a private investigator brought us the lawsuit.

They brought the lawsuit to me, and we were in a hole-in-the-wall office on University Avenue in Provo, and this investigator

with greasy hair shows up.

And

when I got the lawsuit, I thought, oh, we're being sued.

But when I saw it was Disney's name on it, I was honestly devastated and just kind of just in this state of,

what is going on?

Right, because Disney had the image of being family friendly.

And what you were trying to do was

not take anything from them.

People would come to you with their copy of the movie and say, I want these things removed from it.

I don't like i don't want to have my kids see sex scenes or i don't want it to have swearing in it and so all you would do is digitally alter it but not alter the movie itself so you'd still walk out with the same dvd yes and you had to purchase so you're not stealing from disney that's right that's right we actually i mean our experts proved to disney that we made them money but i was so confused when i first got the lawsuit because my my mother

one of the stories she always told us as children to help raise our dreams and

the possibilities of being an American, she'd tell us the story of Roy and Walt Disney.

And

so for it to be them,

it was devastating.

And

it also just, to your point, all capital gone, right?

I mean, everybody was courting us because we were really exciting.

We were growing.

We were going to do almost $10 million that year in revenue.

And so we were just being courted by everybody.

But as soon as it was Disney's name that was suing us, everyone's gone.

But

they sued us two weeks after we, so we had learned about a law.

It's called the Jobs Act.

And it allowed people, regular people who aren't accredited investors, to invest in startups.

And we were researching that law, and we asked our customer base, would you guys be interested in investing?

Two weeks later is when that lawsuit showed up.

Wow.

They wanted to invest to the tune of $62 million.

That's what our customer base said.

The judgment that came out in

2019 was $62 million

against us.

And so that's a whole story in and of itself.

But wait a minute, wait a minute.

I just want people to understand.

You didn't win on Disney.

No,

the court hands.

They

completely trashed us.

And we learned the same thing as you that nobody beats Disney.

Correct.

And the attorneys, you know, there were attorneys in LA who just said,

what's the one rule that everybody's told when they leave Harvard law school?

Well, and then the law students would say, oh, it's this, it's that.

And then

the lead professor would say, no, you don't F with Disney.

Period.

Yeah.

That's the only rule you should have learned here.

And so this is the stories that they're telling us.

And we're just like,

you know, we still have, we naively, when we got sued, I,

in my naivete as just a kid from Idaho, I thought deep down it was going to work out.

It was going to work out.

You should have got me earlier.

So I thought it was going to work out.

Now, others around us didn't,

but they kept working.

Jeffrey says he didn't ever, but

he kept working as though it would work out.

And so in that state, we did a number of things.

So one is that we asked, because nobody else would come to the table, we asked the investors or the customers if they would invest.

We just said, forget the 62 million.

We just need five just to survive.

Like if you want us to survive this lawsuit or even have a chance surviving this lawsuit, we need five million

But do not, do not invest in our company unless you're willing to lose the money, please.

And we limited the amount people could put in.

So

those customers, our audience ended up investing over 10 million in five days.

And you know why that is?

Because you were serving an audience no one listened to.

No one was listening to.

Every family I know has sat on the couch with their kids and tried to find something to watch, and it was inappropriate for one reason or another, and you can't agree on anything.

And parents are constantly looking at each other going, is there nothing we can watch together?

Is there nothing?

And that's happening everywhere, and nobody was listening to them except for you.

It was clear to us, Glenn, that that was the case.

And

another co-founder, Daniel, he called or emailed, I don't remember,

right after we closed that $10 million round.

And he said,

guys, what if we applied this crowdfunding model to storytelling?

Like, what if the same thing happened?

You have a show or a film that you want to produce.

Could this happen?

Well,

within weeks of raising the 10 million, sure enough, we got an injunction.

It was on December 12th of 2016.

We were in the middle of a company party.

The next day, December 13th,

all the families are coming and we invite the press in to announce we've just been shut down by the LA courts.

And we didn't sleep that night.

And we got ready and announced that we were going to start a studio.

Because the studios weren't going to play ball with us.

We were just going to tell the stories ourselves.

And we announced two things at that event.

One was a stand-up comedy series.

It's funny for everyone, Tribar Comedy.

And the second one was a story of Tim Ballard.

At the time, it was called The Abolitionists.

We thought we were going to launch that.

And, and, you know, and, but for a lot of reasons, that the abolitionists didn't work out.

And here we are now, 10 years after launching Angel Studios, 10 years after Tim started this program, talked to you, met with you,

you and this audience raised the funds for Tim Balard to go do his work.

That film, that story, is coming back to Angel

through Disney.

Can you tell the part about the judge saying that you're going to be

you

have to turn your company over to somebody else?

yes yes yes okay yeah yeah yeah yeah you you bet I didn't know how much detail you wanted so just just

I could go down a deep rabbit hole here just keep it just keep it pithy here yeah so so

so when we were being sued

the the attorneys started to threaten to come after Jeffrey and me personally and

the

And so we're like, man, we're going to lose everything over this.

And our attorneys, who were very very experienced Hollywood attorneys,

David Quinto had worked in the industry for 30 years, represented the Oscars, Warner Brothers,

Disney.

And

he made an offer to settle.

And it was a really good offer.

And they just said, no, no.

And he said,

he said,

they want you dead.

They want to make an example out of you.

There is no way out of this one.

So we were praying and trying to figure out what to do.

And a guy from Virginia gave us the idea.

He said, if you file chapter 11 before the judgment, you're going to buy yourselves enough time.

You're going to pull the litigation into Utah.

And you're going to be able to protect yourselves from a predator.

And so that's what we did.

In fact, we filed.

Like days after we met with Dallas and Amanda Jenkins about the chosen, we told them, we're going to file chapter 11 bankruptcy.

If you want to do the chosen with us, make sure you know that we're filing bankruptcy.

That's the company I want to do business with.

So anyway,

they decided to do it with us to their credit.

And

then as soon as the judgment went down, immediately Disney's going to the bankruptcy court and saying, it's time to shut this company down.

It's time to liquidate them, take all their assets.

There's no chance for this company.

But

we had previously

said we were going to release all the filters to the open source so anybody could use them, so families can just solve the problem even if we get destroyed.

Disney started crying out to the bankruptcy court: We need a trustee.

These guys are irresponsible.

This is right before trial.

They're irresponsible.

They need a trustee.

So they asked for a trustee right before trial.

Right after trial, they asked for Chapter 7.

We went into the court and said, Look,

we'll agree to a trustee on one condition: that Disney agrees that they'll give up the right to change the trustee.

We'll both agree on who the trustee is.

We don't care who it is.

We just want a third-party person to come in

and do this.

And we had prayed about this and felt really scared that a trustee, you know, we'd lose all the control and we could lose everything, but we felt peaceful.

And so we made that change.

And the trustee came in and he looked at Jeffrey and me in the eye and he said, I'm meeting with you right now and I'm going to meet with Disney.

And one of you is a bad actor.

And when I figure out who that is, I'm going to shove it so far down your throat, you're done.

That's what he said to us.

And we're like, well,

and then he tells us later on, he says, if you don't make

another million and a half on the chosen,

or no, $2 million on the chosen by the end of this year,

this is going to go to chapter seven.

And

so it was during that time

we received, got the inspiration on Pay It Forward.

We launched the Pay It Forward program.

And to the day, almost to the dollar, December 31st, we made the exact amount of money that was needed to keep from going to Chapter 7.

And then March of the next year, the trustee came to us in our office and he says, I watched what's going on.

I've been trying to get a settlement.

I've been trying to resolve this.

They're being the bad actors and I'm going to go to the court and ask for a chapter 11 reorganization where you guys pay off the entire judgment over the next 14 years.

So he goes before the court and he says, these guys are growing so fast.

If you give them 14 years, they'll be able to pay this all off.

Disney must have had a heart attack.

Yeah, Disney immediately said to the judge, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

We don't, we want chapter seven.

And the judge said, wait a second.

These guys are offering to pay you off everything.

Whenever you win, it's just liquidation.

You never get a dollar out of it.

If you don't want to be paid back the 62 million,

you're not acting in your own economic self-interest.

So I don't trust you anymore.

Wow.

Wow.

Amazing.

Yeah.

And now

Disney is watching the charts with

the movie about Operation Underground Railroad that they had and for some reason refused to release.

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We're going to continue our conversation here just a second.

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So we are talking to Neil Harmon.

He is the CEO of Angel Studios, and I was lucky enough to get an invite for a movie that is coming out

in March.

Yes.

And the music isn't even locked in.

We were sat in the audience with the guy who's writing the music for it.

Most of the music was just tracks from other things.

And I have to tell you,

I leaned over to you halfway through the movie and I said, I think I feel like it must have felt when people were watching the first cut of The Godfather.

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In a nutshell, tell us.

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Thank you.

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I'm great, Glenn.

Thanks for having me.

You bet.

So, all week, we just haven't had time to get into the Michael Orr story about the movie Blindside.

And

I wanted to ask you, because I think you probably know all of the players, maybe even personally, but I wanted to get your take on this because,

you know, yesterday I saw a tweet that, you know, the Oscars should be given back because it was all a lie.

And

is it a lie?

Was this all a lie?

No, not at all.

And I can say that

having

reread the book, The Blindside, published in 2006,

read

Michael Orr's memoir, his first one in twenty eleven,

I Beat the Odds, having rewatched the movie, I did all this this week.

No, it's not all a lie.

It's actually the movie is actually pretty accurate to the book and to and Michael Orr endorsed the book in his twenty eleven memoir and in subsequent interviews the year since.

He has said

he liked the book, but he didn't like the way the movie portrayed him as dumb and as

not

totally responsible for his own success.

And so then you go back and reread the book, The Blindside, which he says he endorses, and the movie portrays him not only fairly, but probably in a far more positive and uplifting light than

the book did.

This kid came to that family with some severe problems.

He couldn't read at age 16.

And

he had to be taught how to shake hands.

He didn't engage with people.

He had faced so much neglect, trauma, abandonment from ages 0 to 15 or 16 that, you know, he was embarrassingly shy and reclusive, couldn't read.

I didn't get the impression that he was stupid in the movie.

I didn't read the book, but I didn't get the impression he was stupid.

I got the impression that he had been neglected and he had never been taught any of these things.

And I actually came out of the movie having tremendous respect for him because of what he had conquered.

Exactly.

And again, one of the subtle points of this remaking, recasting of the blind side and the way the media is covering it.

The underlying message is that, hey,

the nuclear family being raised properly, that's all irrelevant.

The only thing that's relevant is,

you know, did you face racism?

And it's like the family and upbringing,

we're pretending like this didn't damage this young man incredibly and that the TUI family and many other families at this private school and friends tried to put a broken child back together and send him along his way and it's it's all being denigrated right now and this rewriting of history that we it's it's just the blind side is just another statue being torn down Glenn

so before we get to motivation I I the one thing that I heard

that I've heard differently since but I want you to address it

was that that the Touhee family, they were using him.

They never adopted him.

He thought he was adopted, and it was all a lie.

Any of that true, Jason?

No.

In his 2011 memoir, he writes about the conservatorship, knew that he was not adopted.

This is all a rewriting of history.

As it relates to their motivation, Sean Touhey, the dad, was an all-time great old miss basketball player.

His background is basketball.

He was a volunteer assistant coach at the Christian High School that brought Michael Orr in.

His original interest in Michael was as a basketball player and was writing letters to small colleges thinking if we could ever get this kid academically straight, he could be a 6'5 ⁇ , 300-pound.

division three, division two basketball player, and that's how we'll push him along.

They discover the football talent after he's moved into their home.

And so, this whole thing, like they knew there was NFL riches, and he was this great prospect.

No, he was a 6'5 ⁇ , 345-pound kid when they got him, and they hoped they could turn him into some Division II, Division III basketball player and get him educated that way.

It's a whole recreation of history.

The facts just don't line up with what was written in the 2006 book, what Michael Orr cops to in his own original memoir.

It's another rewriting of history.

So let me go to motivation.

I can see the motivation in the press.

They love this kind of story.

Here he had some heroes.

They were God-centered people, showed the truth about families and what happens when there isn't a family.

So I can understand that.

But Michael to be involved in this,

is it true that he was

blackmailing the family for a while?

I guess that is the right word and saying, look, I'm going to come out with this unless you pay me.

Is that true?

That's certainly the allegations that the TUI's lawyers have raised and the TUI's son has stated.

I guess we'll have to find out over time.

But I think as it relates to Michael Orr's motivation,

read the book read his memoir this is a broken child who has never been put back together and he's still a broken person and so that there's reason to have great sympathy and again this is where it goes back to the message everybody should be taking from this is just like hey man family and upbringing those first

formative years of a child are so vital, so important.

And if they're damaged in the womb from not being properly cared for, and the mother being a crack addict, and if they're abandoned and neglected as a child, these ramifications will go on for a lifetime.

And as best I could tell from his 2011 memoir and from Reading the Blindside,

he's never gotten that type of therapy and treatment that he obviously needs.

And so I think he's come up on hard times.

He's written a new book.

When your back's against the wall, it's out right now.

I think he's hyping his book.

I think he hopes that someone, some Hollywood producer, Netflix, someone will say, hey, let's do a remake of The Blind Side and tell it the proper way and make the black kid the hero and the white people evil.

And let's cut Michael Orr a big check for the new blind side.

I think that's his anger.

Wow, that is tragically sad, and it probably will happen.

Do the

TUI family, have you had a chance to talk to them or anybody talk to them personally without attorneys and not to say, oh, it's a real score, but how do they feel?

They have made a public statement, the dad has, that they're devastated

and they should be.

This relationship deteriorated years ago.

And

again, it's not uncommon, Glenn.

I have not talked to the TUIs.

I want to be perfectly clear clear with that.

I have talked to people that say, contend they know the TUIs.

But I'll just talk about myself having been involved with,

let's call it, at-risk kids.

Took a cousin into my home when I lived in Kansas City for two years to get him up out of a gang lifestyle.

After two years, we fell out.

He went back home to Indianapolis, got in trouble.

We are now very close.

He now acknowledges, you know, all the things that I was trying to teach him when he was younger were legitimate, and he wish he had listened closer then.

But, Glenn, and I know, or I can speculate about the amount of charitable work and the people you've tried to help.

Sometimes they're just ungrateful, and sometimes the damage that they experience at a young age is too much to overcome, and they eventually lash out at the very people who have shown them love and have tried to help them

because they don't know what to do with their emotions.

Michael Orr's mom and dad failed him horribly.

And

the dad is dead.

The mom is strung out on drugs

or has been for many years.

Maybe today, hopefully, she's sober.

But he's lashing out

at some people that have a lot of money and,

you know, had shown, had showered him with a lot of resources.

And sometimes I hate to make the analogy, but you feed a cat and the cat never leaves your doorstep, no matter where you might set them up in a new home.

They may make $30, $40 million in the NFL, but eventually...

may blow that money and return to you,

the people that previously supplied supplied them resources and ask again

well i will tell you um

you know i i learned um

several years back that if you're doing charity to get love back

you know good luck with that um

you know it it can't change you because so many times you will do something you know because you just feel it's right and you know the the thing that i I learned, and I say this all the time, I'll do something, people say, really?

You're expecting that to go well?

I'm like, no,

I feel compelled to do that.

Now, that's up to them with what they do with it.

But, you know, I just, I don't ever want to close my heart because you will get burned several times.

But there is also those who

occasionally will step up and something will happen and it will be glorious, absolutely glorious.

And that's much, that's what we should concentrate on, not necessarily the ones that don't work out.

Because also, he's got the rest of his life.

I mean, this thing may turn around yet again.

Who knows?

It certainly could.

And I do want to back up your hopeful note and just say that I got involved with a Ball State football player.

I played football at Ball State.

He broke his neck in 2007.

Kid named Dante Love.

It's been one of the greatest experiences of my life.

And Dante's probably now 36, 37 years old,

married, two kids, great career, very appreciative of all the things that

I did for him.

He's like an adopted son to me.

And so a lot of these things work out.

And Dante comes from a very, very tough, similar, very similar to Michael or his background

when he was a student at Ball State we had to do a lot of things the coaches coaches wives do a lot of things to help him get through school

and to help him catch up from all the neglect he experienced at 10 11 12 13 years old this is a great young man knows the Bible forward and backwards I call him for biblical interpretations.

I mean, he's just a great young man.

Great.

And so all the time, resources, well worth it.

And was it easy?

No.

Did we have some bad moments?

Yes.

On the other side, is it awesome and is it great?

And I agree with you.

Don't do any of it looking for anything

other than hopefully you'll get to heaven one day and God will say, hey, I'm well pleased with what you did there.

That will be your only reward.

Yeah.

Jason, thank you so much, as always.

I just love you, man.

Jason Whitlock, Blaze TV host of Fearless.

If you have not seen Fearless yet, you need to.

Jason is just doing a tremendous, tremendous job and comes at things at a completely different angle that I think you'll really enjoy.

Jason Whitlock, thank you so much, Jason.

I appreciate it.

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I have Charlie Charlie Duke

who is

who is going to be remembered as one of the last living members of the the small group of 12 that actually walked on the moon he has done incredible things

and I am just I'm I'm doing this more as a

a record of history because I know that once these guys die, you know, we'll start to listen to other people that say we never walked on the moon, and that is a growing number of people.

One of the main guys who argues against it is Bart Siebrill.

He's the author of a book called Moonman,

and he says the whole thing was shot on a soundstage, and he can prove it because of the lighting and the no stars and all of that.

Things that Charlie Duke

addresses

in our podcast tomorrow but he's gonna be joining me here in just a second not Charlie but the guy who says we never went to the moon oh let's let's listen to his logic and then get the answers from Charlie Duke and you see which one

you trust

we'll give that to you coming up in just a second the author of moon man joins me next I believe there is no moon and I believe it's all a the whole moon is a fake and I have a book coming out on that will you interview me on that later Because I want to show some books too.

Maybe we could do that right after

Bard is on.

All right, good.

Thanks.

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We're going to talk about what's happening in Maui.

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Now, somebody,

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I wanted to talk to him.

He's the author of, I think it's called Moon Man,

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the author of Moon Man.

It's Bart.

I believe it's Cybril.

Is that right?

Bart?

I just think Shabrell.

Shabrel, I'm so sorry.

So, Bart, thank you for joining me.

I know you're in the Philippines today, and I wanted to spend a few minutes because you are the guy who is probably the leading authority on we never went to the moon.

So I wanted to get, you know, the non-strawman arguments here on

why do you say we never went to the moon?

Well, the first thing that your listeners need to know, this is not a theory.

This is a fact that they faked the moon landing.

We have a deathbed confession from Cyrus Eugene Akers, who is the chief of security at Cannon Air Force Base.

As he was dying, about to meet his maker, he confessed to being a murderer.

He said he murdered a coworker to cover up the moon landing, which was filmed at his base June 1st, 2nd, and 3rd of 1968.

All of this is in my book at sobrell.com, and my films cost a million dollars to produce, and they were financed by someone who builds rockets for NASA who knows that they're fake.

Now, remember when Tucker Carlson said,

you know, the president is saying that he's being spied on by the NSA, and he says that's as absurd as the moon landings being fake.

Well, guess what?

It ended up being true.

And we really have to keep an open mind about this.

Today, with NASA's best technology, 50 years better rockets and computers, the farthest they can send a human into space is one thousandth the distance to the moon.

So what they're really claiming is they had a thousand times better space traveling technology in 1969 when all of NASA had one millionth a computing power cell phone.

That means technology was better in the past and in the future.

If it weren't for people's emotional attachment to this, remember, whoever killed Kennedy, he's dead.

Whoever did 9-11, those people are dead.

This is different.

This is a positive lie, giving people the candy that they wanted.

And you're trying to take that away and giving them a plate of manure instead.

We have to remember: we live in a fallen world run by Lucifer, whose number one tactic is lying.

What is the greatest accomplishment of mankind?

Putting a man on the moon.

Okay, so a monster.

And our pride will end up being a memorial to our father.

All right.

So, Bart,

we never went to the moon.

So all of those missions were all filmed on a soundstage.

Well, we know that the first one was filmed at Cannon Air Force Base.

You don't tell somebody as you're dying you're a murderer unless it's true.

And he said he killed a coworker to cover up the moon landing fraud.

He was going to blab about it.

It was filmed at Cannon Air Force Base in 1968.

We know all you got to do is go to my last name, sabrel.com, and look at one picture.

You can prove the moon landings are faked with one picture.

Shadows intersecting at 90 degrees from objects five feet apart when they should be parallel in sunlight.

That's all the proof that you need.

You have to understand, Bobby Kennedy Jr., who has more access to the JFK files than Oliver Sohn,

said the CIA killed the President of the United States.

And then a year later, we have Robert McNamara saying that they faked the Gulf of Tunkin that led to the death of 58,000 Americans.

So I think if they're willing to kill their own president, willing to start the Vietnam War, they're willing to fake an image on the moon.

Sure.

And I believe that the CIA is hiding something.

I don't know what it is on Kennedy, but I think they were involved.

And that was a conspiracy theory for a very long time, but I think that's starting to prove out.

And, you know, we know, we've known forever

on Vietnam because of the Pentagon papers.

You're talking about not a few people involved in something like an assassination.

You're talking about thousands of people involved and only one guy.

That argument doesn't have any weight, Glenn.

That's like saying what a bank teller and the CEO of Wells Farthorough Bank know about the corruption in the bank are identical.

Eugene Krantz said he could tell all the computer operators at NASA could tell no difference whatsoever between a simulation and an actual flight.

They cannot tell the difference, and they're in the command center.

This is actually the easiest thing to fake because there's no independent press coverage.

We have to trust the federal government that they're sending us honest pictures.

Okay.

So

again, I go back to you say we know, which I would dispute because of the one deathbed.

I mean, there was a guy who claimed on his deathbed that he was actually Jesse James, and no historian looks at that and says, oh, yeah, that's absolutely Jesse James.

Jesse James escaped when he was supposedly killed.

Nobody says that.

And why would he say it?

He said it on his deathbed.

So

you know, the main thing, Glenn, very important, I know you believe in God, and this is mankind's greatest accomplishment, like the Tower of Babel.

Don't defend criminals who are lying to you because it's a pleasant lie.

You have to see, if you get my book, Moonman at sobrell.com, we have more than enough evidence to prove We have more than enough evidence to prove that it was fake.

And you cannot, if you could tell me one other time in history where technology was greater in the past than in the future.

It's not greater in the past.

It is not greater in the past.

The Saturn V rocket was the pinnacle of rockets for its time.

We are now building rockets that are returning to the launch pad.

So it's not greater.

And by the way, going to the moon is a little like a lost art.

I don't want to go to the moon in 1969 technology.

Do you?

I want to use technology today, and they're doing things right now that have never been done before.

Let's talk about technology today.

Elon Musk has a bigger rocket than the Saturn V and he says to go to the moon, they're going to need nine fuel trips first.

In my book, we find publications by von Braun that says to go to the rocket to the moon in one rocket, it has to weigh 800,000 tons, mathematically irrefutable.

The Saturn V weighed only 2,500 tons.

So why is it with newer technology, you have to make nine fuel trips first to a space station in order to have enough fuel to go to the moon?

But when in 1969, with one million to computing power cell phone, you don't have to do that.

So are we, did we, and again, let's forget about the first moon landing.

Did we ever go to the moon?

No, we know this because the last picture, the picture at Siberal.com of the shadows intersecting, that was from Apollo 17.

Okay.

So we never went.

Last mission to the moon.

Once they got away with faking it, it's actually easier to get away with faking it in the future.

And they never went.

They cannot go.

Why is it that today,

today, with 50 years better technology, they can only send mannequins to orbit the moon, moon, but somehow we're playing golf and driving cars on the space.

So,

wait,

wait, so we did.

So, did the space shuttle go to space?

Have we ever gone to space?

Of course, yeah, you can orbit the Earth,

but you cannot leave Earth orbit.

One of the clips, and my book is interactive, it has 16 video clips, which you can see for free at Sambrow Wax.

I got it, I got it.

For the love of God,

a NASA engineer saying out of his own mouth, the technology necessary to survive the radiation going to the moon and back has yet to be invented.

Not what he said, you can see.

True.

Not true.

Well, not true.

If it's true, where can we see this information?

Shut up, Stu.

Shut up.

Bart, I thank you very much.

I want to do, it's on the internet.

You can find it.

Where would it be?

What website?

Sobrell.com.

Oh, Sobrell.

Sobrell.com.

Yeah, there you you go.

And the name of the book is Moonman.

All right, Bart, thank you very much.

I appreciate it.

Now, some of the stuff that he just talked about, Charlie talks about.

I asked him about the radiation, and he's like,

no.

And I said, well, specifically, it's a radiation belt, and we talked about it, and you'll hear that.

I mean, you just have to...

You know, you're going to believe who you're going to believe.

All I know is I am collecting all of the evidence I, as a personal,

as a person, as an individual, can collect.

You know, when I talked to Charlie about the, you know, leaving footprints on the moon,

he reached down and picked up the moon dust.

He brought it back because it was all over his suit.

He said, your suit's, it's clingy.

It's like static cling almost to it.

And he said, we were trying to brush it off, but that didn't work.

He said, but I felt some of it in my hand, my bare hand, and he said, it was almost talcum powder.

He said it was really shocking and

just

a completely different substance.

Now, I mean, I guess you could make that up, but you watch him tell the story

and see which one you believe.

The guy who said he was on the moon.

I mean, one thing, you know, he said,

Stu, I think the most incredible thing that could ever happen to man,

and people have described it as a religious experience, is standing on the moon and seeing earth rise.

Would you agree?

I mean, that would be incredible, yes.

It would be incredible.

Do you know, Charlie, I said, Charlie, what was it like when you turned around the first time and saw the earth rise and be where the moon was?

He said, well, I never had that experience.

I said, why not?

He said, because when we were on the moon,

the earth is like the moon.

So it's positioned at different times.

He said, it was right straight above us.

And he said, because of the suits and everything,

I couldn't

go backwards.

He said, you'll notice that we're...

we're hunched over and almost look like we're falling forward when we're walking.

He said, that's because we have to keep our balance with the pack.

And he said, the pack is heavier than my body

on the moon.

And the whole thing, he said, on the moon, I'm 65 pounds.

He said, so it's not hard

to lose your balance and fall over.

And he said, so I tried a couple of times to look in.

He said, but my helmet would always block the earth.

Now, why would you say that?

Why wouldn't you just say, it was incredible.

It was absolutely incredible.

Yeah, I don't know.

Let me just check on ciprella.com and see if there's an answer to that.

Good, sure,

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It is so frustrating.

It is so frustrating when

people conflate

know the the the different scandals that has happened that just because there's been scandals and lies doesn't make everything a lie it should make us skeptical we should look into everything

but what an enormous lie what an enormous lie that doesn't even compare to the Kennedy assassination the entire world

stopped and watched men on the moon.

The entire world.

Really?

It took your little book to expose this.

Nobody else had any iron in the fire.

He also says in his book that

he caught an astronaut talking to a CIA agent about his assassination and how he needed to be killed.

Well, that's interesting.

We could fake the moon landing, but you couldn't kill an author of a book that nobody's ever heard of.

That's weird.

Well, they may not have heard of the book, but they've certainly heard of Sobrell.com.

I'll tell you that much.

But that's a

charge him.

I was about to charge him.

That's the thing that pissed me off more than ever was you're not really having a conversation with me.

You're just talking your book.

Right.

Yeah, that's definitely.

Well, and his incredible website, Sobrell.com.

But in addition to that, I think that there's a

it's funny that when his number one piece of evidence was someone who's confessed to something on his deathbed, but I mean, like, that's not, that doesn't mean anything, right?

I mean, it could be something, but it also could not.

I mean, people people die of Alzheimer's all the time saying all sorts of

things that aren't true.

I mean, you know, there's no reason to believe one person's confession over all of the mountains of evidence that exist otherwise.

You know, again, I...

We've talked about this for a while.

This sort of stuff is becoming more and more

believable to people because of all the deception that they see in the media and

from the government.

And that's the real problem here, right?

Like, it's, I don't think that we're going to get to a place where most people believe the moon landing was faked,

but like it is a symptom of a real problem that we have in our society.

I mean, you go back right now, you know, people talk all the time about the 2020 election and the media is always on the air saying, I can't believe that people believe this 2020 election was stolen.

And you ask, look in these same polls and half of Democrats believe the 2016 election was stolen by Russian operatives breaking into voting machines.

I mean, nobody trusts anything anybody says anymore.

And it makes it very difficult to run a civilization when you have that perspective.

Yeah, because there are no institutions of trust.

Tell me who you trust.

Maybe, maybe

you trust your church.

Maybe.

But who else do you trust?

You trust...

You trust the news?

You trust, you know, the podcaster to know?

You trust me to know?

No.

I mean, I'm doing the best I can.

Stu's, you know,

trying

every way he can to destroy it, but I'm in there fighting for you.

But I don't, there's a lot of times that we're like, we're doing the best we can.

We think this is the truth, like this Maui situation.

I don't know what to believe on the Maui situation.

What I think happened here is that

there was a very progressive

arm

of the government in Maui, in Hawaii.

They didn't pay attention.

They wanted to be green much more than they wanted to stop fires.

They thought that was more important.

The water situation, it looks like the guy who didn't release the water, he's on record basically saying water is more important than humans.

It's sacred.

You have then honest mistakes, and then you have, for the first time in my lifetime that I've seen, the National Guard cordon off the area so people can't return to their homes.

We don't know how many are dead yet.

There were rumors of children that died in apartment buildings.

I don't know if that's true or not.

Why?

Because everyone you've trusted, the police, the government, the media,

our president, Congress, everybody has lied for so long.

You don't know what the truth is anymore.

We're going to try to get a little closer to it.

Tulsi Gabbard joins us with the facts that she knows from the ground.

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This is a this is just a growing into a disturbing story and I'm not sure exactly what's going on

except

at least incompetence seems to be coming forward.

I hope it doesn't get worse than that.

Tulsi Gabbard is here.

This used to be one of her districts that she would frequently visit when she was a congresswoman.

Tulsi Gabbard

is on reserve duty right now, so we can't talk at all about politics, and I don't want to get her into trouble.

So we're just going to talk about the situation because

I don't know what's happening.

And I'm hearing all kinds of things.

I don't know if those are true or not.

I'm just seeing things that I've never seen as a broadcaster before, so I don't know how to answer them.

Tulsi, welcome.

Hey,

and to all of your listeners for

all of their support.

It really means so much to our community there on Maui that is continuing now nine days after this crisis began,

really struggling and suffering and is having a hard time looking to see what that road towards rebuilding looks like.

But your support means the world.

Thank you, Tulsi.

So

we're hearing things like homeowners are not allowed to go back.

We are nine days after this, and we still have a thousand people missing.

I don't know of a natural disaster in America that has been

in such a tight area where

this many days after, we are still missing a thousand people.

We've heard stories that these numbers are being quashed intentionally, that the National Guard has closed this whole area off.

I've never seen that before.

What's happening?

These are all a lot of questions that

folks on the ground have and are very appropriate.

It's unfortunate there has been so little communication coming through official channels at a time where

the mayor needs to be out there on social media or on TV every single day giving extensive and open update briefs to

be as completely transparent as possible so that people know what's going on.

There's been a vacuum of communication, and as you know, in that vacuum, a lot of questions and a lot of fears and concerns arise.

So

let's just kind of start with the first, you know, some of the first questions that you asked there.

This is an unprecedented crisis in the last hundred hundred years in our country.

Right now, we have first responders out there on the island of Maui who are from across the country who are helping to support the foremost mission, which is Remains Recovery.

This wildfire started with a small brush fire that quickly grew out of control because of these 100 mile-an-hour winds.

It's suspected that downed electric lines contributed to its spread.

But really, the word that I have heard best describe this wildfire is it was like a blowtorch.

It was an out-of-control wildfire that swept horizontally and very quickly in less than an hour across the historic town of Lahaina, taking down and turning into ash everything

in its path.

People have explained how these flames sometimes hopped and skipped, which is why you saw boats that were you know a little bit far off of land

get

completely destroyed.

The questions about

how is it possible that there are still over a thousand people missing?

How is it possible that at last count, they have only identified the remains, actually they haven't identified the who,

but they have recovered the remains of one hundred eleven people.

When you think about the quickness of this fire and the destruction, just imagine you have a

three or four story boutique hotel there in Lahaina.

This fire comes in and levels that hotel down to the ground.

We don't know how many people were in their hotel rooms.

From what I'm told, they're not able to recover records of who might have been in that hotel.

And

then you take that example and just spread that across the entire town and homes and shops.

Front Street and Lahaina had shops lining both sides of the streets.

You had restaurants, you have tourists, you have residents, you have service workers.

You know, you have a lot of people in a very small area

who very sadly perished in a very short period.

period of time.

Now, there's a Google spreadsheet that's going around where family members have listed the names of their loved ones as missing.

But this recovery is going, this remains recovery mission is so slow because it requires cadaver dogs to go and find these remains.

Unfortunately, the destruction is so great that the human eye is not enough in many of these cases to identify these remains.

And so this process is going to go on.

And I expect the mayor or the governor will be making an announcement with a time estimate soon.

But they've got,

there are not very many cadaver dogs in the United States of America, trained cadaver dogs.

I've been told that there are 20 on the ground there.

They can work for 20 minutes, then they need 20 minutes' rest.

So they're rotating these cadaver dogs so that they can go through and do their work.

But they are not moving from one area to the next until all the remains in that specific area have been identified by these dogs and then allowing the humans to come in and do that work.

It's a very slow, slow process.

And that's not, sorry, just to finish that, that's not even beginning the process of the identification of DNA and figuring out

matching these remains to people, correct?

So this would put to rest another question that I have had.

I've never seen anything where people can't return in to go through their own rubble.

Insurance adjusters are not allowed to go in, and they've blocked everything so nobody can go back in.

That would answer the question on why that's happening.

There's two main reasons.

They don't want anything touched.

Too many people.

Go ahead.

Correct.

There's two main reasons for that, is they need to preserve the area for the remains recovery mission.

to go on undisturbed, number one.

Number two, as you can imagine, you know, along with all of the different buildings and houses

there were you know two gas stations completely leveled to the ground those gas stations had underground fuel fuel tanks the level of toxicity in this area is

is is very very serious

and so that is another factor that that local officials are rightly taking into account of coming up with a plan on both for the near term, you know, okay, well, we've got to make sure that anybody going in there at the point where they are able to open it up to families to be able to go back to their homes, which needs to happen as soon as possible,

if nothing else but for closure,

they've got to make sure they've got the protective respirators and gear to make sure that they are not

they're not causing a medical crisis in the process.

The removal of the toxic,

you know, this is not just going to be about clearing debris in this case.

I've been told in order to remove the toxic elements that have been caused by this fire, they're going to have to dig down, you know, five to ten feet to be able to remove all of that and then figure out where does it go, how do they transport it, and everything else that follows there.

All right, so I've only got a couple of minutes.

I have a couple more questions left.

One of them is about the guy who has just resigned, and I actually feel bad for him because I think he probably thought he was doing the right thing by not turning on the air siren.

Because what I read, he said, if I would have turned it on, people would have gone to the top of the mountain because that's what they're trained to do and they would have gone right into the fire.

Do you believe that?

Or,

I mean, I don't want to throw this guy underneath

the bus.

Well, you know what?

I call bullshit on that, and hearing that response really pissed me off.

It really pissed me off because of a couple of reasons.

He's the Department of Emergency Management director.

Why did it take him, what is it, eight days for him to show up in front of the media and answer questions?

He should have been the first guy out there when this thing happened, answering questions, fielding concerns.

It took him eight days to show up at that podium and show his face to the public, number one.

Number two, we have a highly sophisticated alarm system across the state of Hawaii because of our proximity to hurricanes and tsunamis and all sorts of different natural disasters.

We know that if it's a tsunami, we get days warning.

If there's an earthquake in Japan, they say, hey, tsunami alert.

A tsunami may be headed your way.

That didn't happen, and we're smart enough to know that.

These alarm systems are used in the case of any form of natural disaster.

A tsunami alert could have been ruled out immediately because they don't just show up out of nowhere.

We will get get that notice.

That alarm sounding could have, could have possibly prevented loss of life.

So

I don't buy that reasoning at all.

Tell me about the water guy who seems to have some love affair with water being more sacred than people in some of his former statements that that didn't act to turn on the water.

And it looks now like it was because of water equity.

Is that true?

This is a much longer question, unfortunately, than you have time for.

Maui has a long history of different entities fighting over who owns the water on Maui.

And unfortunately, for decades now, people, the people, have been suffering as a result.

So I'm still learning the details of, you know, they say they made the request to use the water for the fire trucks.

The state didn't approve it quickly enough.

You know,

I could tell you what I would do in that position.

I would have just said, use the water.

I'll ask for permission later.

But, you know,

it's a really complex

problem that ultimately can be summed up to corporations buying water rights to irrigate plantation fields and local people suffering from drought and lack of water as a result.

That's the historical context that we're operating under.

This is just a mess.

And I wish you and your family all the luck in the world and our love and prayers and our hard-earned money are going out to

everybody who's affected.

I don't know how this ends up, but

it's really bad so far.

Good things will come up.

I would love to keep in touch with you,

keep in touch with you and your listeners, and just ask you to stand with us for the long haul, even though there has been and we will continue to learn about

incompetency and failures and perhaps negligence on the part of the government.

And, you know, who knows the electric company, who knows who else is really culpable for things that should have been done but didn't.

But ultimately, I just ask that your hearts and prayers stay with the people of Maui who are, you know, who need our support in every way as this recovery and rebuild goes on.

I want you to know, at least with my audience,

I'm pretty sure their hearts are with the people of Maui.

They're responding, as usual, they're responding in a big way.

And we've already sent

a gigantic planeload of supplies out.

We're on the ground.

I think we were one of the first people on the ground and will be the last to leave.

So, Tulsi, thank you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you, Glenn.

God bless.

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What'd you think of Tulsi Gabbard and her point of view, Stu?

It was a really interesting interview.

She turned me around.

Yeah, really interesting interview because I kind of felt the same way you did on a couple of different questions.

Why is it taking so long for us to find out about these bodies?

She explained that incredibly well.

Like, I now

buy it.

Yeah, and I buy it, and I not only buy that, I now understand why nobody's let back in, why the National Guard has closed it down.

That makes total sense now.

Yeah, that was a really thorough, excellent explanation of that.

And the other side, I was sort of giving them maybe a little bit of a break on the air sirens, the morning sirens, because of their excuses.

And she explained

in colorful language that that was not true.

And I don't know if that made it.

I don't know if it made it to the air.

You bleeped it out.

Yes, we blew it up.

Yeah, but you know what?

That's the kind of swearing that actually

should be allowed, I think, because

it was genuine.

That showed her raw emotion on that.

I mean, it was.

It was clear.

It was really clear how she felt.

And I'm anxious to have her on again.

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