FBI Has a LOT More Explaining to Do in Killing of Utah Man | Guests: Travis Clark & Kyle Seraphin | 8/10/23

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There was a shooting yesterday in Utah.

We are going to talk to a neighbor

who has an awful lot to say, and I have an awful lot to say about this shooting.

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Stu,

it is

this is going to be a rough show, and this is going to be a show that you're going to have to actually pay attention and listen to because

everybody is jumping to conclusions, everybody is

dogpiling, and this shooting yesterday

truly is is

complex

in some ways

okay so what happened yesterday

well we have to go back in time for a while

let me just start with the ending quickly and the ending is that there was a shooting the fbi came to a house in Provo, Utah, and shot a guy who was darn near 80 years old and shot him to death because they thought he was

some sort of a threat to the president.

Well, they had already visited him before and

saw that he walks with a cane.

You know, he's 80.

He was,

you know, very, very heavy.

And he was living and was the only provider for his blind son.

Okay,

so

he made horrible, horrible threats online to the

president and to the FBI,

and there's no way to really even begin to excuse what he said.

What he said online was despicable and awful.

What did he say he said that he was going to kill the president of the United States he had the means and he was tired of it and

he would then kill Kamala Harris

the

media is reporting the social media is reporting that that's what he said I have no reason to doubt that that is what he said

however you know you can't verify anything.

So they go into his house yesterday and eyewitnesses said they used a battering ram and they came in like the FBI is now known to do.

They came in with a SWAT unit all in black.

There was shouting and then a gunshot.

And We don't know how many gunshots.

We don't know who shot first.

we do know i've seen the video it is unverified yet but it looks authentic uh the video taken from across the street shows the swat team outside around their big swat uh

tank

uh and the others are inside you do hear shouting you hear the door come down you hear the shouting of fbi put your foot up you know put your gun down whatever you can't really understand what they're saying.

But then

you have a flashbang that happens outside of the house.

Now, I'm going to play this so you can hear it.

If you're watching the blaze,

here it is.

Watch it.

Now, watch your left-hand corner of the house if you happen to be watching.

You'll see

on the floor, on the floor.

Okay,

that's when the video ends because the neighbor who's taking this is just in shock.

She's like, what is happening?

And she freaks out.

So the video stops.

But you can clearly see that that bang was a flash bang and it was outside of the house.

I think, and I don't know, but I think you can hear them say on the floor, on the floor.

So they are, we think they are in the house.

Flashbang.

If you're in a situation this high and you have a flashbang go on and you all you hear is a bang

if you're holding a gun and you're worried somebody's shooting it is your natural instinct to shoot

why was the flashbang thrown outside of the house?

We still don't have anything from the FBI saying who shot first, what the situation was.

And then

they left the body on the sidewalk in front of the house for two hours.

The FBI's excuse is,

well, I can't say this.

There's no official word.

What we're getting from sources is, well, we wanted the police to come.

And, you know,

we don't normally handle that.

We wanted that handled by the authorities.

You're the FBI.

First of all, we need to know whether that shooting happened inside of the house.

And if it happened inside of the house, I've watched

the police shows enough to know you don't touch anything.

So if you're waiting for investigators, you would never move the body.

Why did they move the body?

Did they move the body?

Here's where it becomes very, very nuanced, and I need you to listen carefully.

He was in the wrong by posting those things online.

Do not

be surprised that the Secret Service shows up at your house if you make a threat against the life of the president or vice president or really any authority in Washington, D.C.

That was happening under Ronald Reagan.

Okay?

If you say something about the president, I want

the Secret Service,

Not the FBI.

I want the Secret Service to show up your house.

Now, why do I want the Secret Service to show up at your house?

Because the Secret Service doesn't usually show up with guns ablazing because they're Treasury people.

And all of the Secret Service that happens to be in Salt Lake City or Dallas or New York, New York may be different, they are generally not part of the protective detail.

They're pencil pushers, most of them.

And I don't mean that as a slam against Secret Service, but they are not in the protective detail.

So they go and they interview.

They're qualified to interview.

Now,

do not be surprised.

I think, because of everything we hear about this man, he was like a grandfather to most people.

He was alone with his blind son.

He was taking care of his son.

He was active in his church.

Everyone in his church said he's a great guy.

I mean, everybody loved him.

He was a big teddy bear.

The secret, I'm sorry, the FBI had already gone to his house and talked to him and seen him.

They know who he was.

They know

if they didn't, then they are really not doing their job.

They know that he was active in the church.

He was assistant

to the church's clerk, which means, you know, they take attendance roles and everything else.

So he's in with the leadership of the church.

If the FBI actually did their job, remember, one of the big things they're trained to do, one,

oh my gosh, George Floyd, we have to educate everyone in de-escalation.

Do you remember that?

One of the main things the FBI is supposed to be trained in is de-escalation.

So if you want to de-escalate and you know the President of the United States is coming to this town and you know this person is a possible threat,

if you know who he is, you know, okay, he's active in his church.

Go to his bishop because they came without a search warrant and he said, this is months ago, you come back with a search warrant.

You come back with a search warrant, which is his right as American.

Get off my property.

You come back with a search warrant.

Well, they didn't until yesterday.

And it's been months.

Now, he did say online,

you know, you come back.

I've got surprises waiting for you.

So they don't know.

So what do you do?

Do you come with a SWAT team into somebody's house?

who already is paranoid about you, has already threatened you?

Do you come in with guns ablazen?

Or do you say, is there any way to de-escalate this?

Sure, we can pick him up as he's going to church

because he won't be in his house.

He's got to go to the grocery store.

We've been watching him.

He usually goes on Tuesdays.

We could pick him up on the way to the grocery store.

Done.

Or you can go to his bishop and say, hey, bishop, pastor, would you do us a favor?

We're in this weird situation, and we hear he's a good guy.

Will you broker this with us?

Would you take the search warrant to him or the warrant for us and ask him to come out

so everybody's safe?

We don't want to hurt the old man, but he's doing things that are clearly wrong and dangerous, and it has to stop.

They didn't choose any of those.

Why?

Because they don't care about the individual.

You are a threat to them.

They will take you out.

Why didn't they do this to Johnny Depp?

Do you remember when Johnny Depp said, you know, when was the last time an actor killed a president?

When was the last time that happened?

Oh, it was John Wilkes Booth.

Maybe there needs to be an actor that kills the president.

That's clearly a threat threat to the president of the United States.

He said that about Donald Trump.

Did they kick down his door?

Did they kick down Kathy Griffith's door?

No.

Did they investigate?

Yes.

I've had the FBI come.

I've had the FBI come to my studios and interview because I said we were talking about Donald Trump at one point and I said to Stu, I'm going to to stab you to death, Stu.

And somebody heard that and thought I said I was going to stab Donald Trump.

And so the FBI showed up.

Perfectly reasonable.

We had a perfectly reasonable conversation.

Yeah, here's the tape.

I didn't say that.

I was talking about stabbing him.

And they looked at Stu and went, yeah, I'd stab him too.

Perfectly reasonable.

That's the way it happens.

Now,

here's a lesson for all of us.

We have turned into somebody we are not.

There are two versions of us.

And one version is the version where we are a normal human being and we would never say these things to each other.

We would never go and say out loud in person, I'm gonna kill you and I got guns.

We would not do that.

But online,

we seem to be invincible.

You want to get yourself killed, make statements like that.

With that being said,

I, for one, demand a full explanation and investigation into this because I think the FBI gunned down a harmless man.

We have his neighbor

who is brave enough to come on on today and is

in mourning because he knew this teddy bear of a man.

He's coming on in just a few minutes.

We also have FBI,

former FBI, that's going to be joining us.

We're going to talk to them about, is this the new standard?

We go there in just a

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We're going to be talking to Travis Lee Clark.

He is a friend friend of

this 80-year-old guy who is gunned down in his home or 75 years old.

Yes, Du.

I know you're just quoting people who know him, I guess, and are talking about him and

calling him a teddy bear of a guy.

But

someone who's posting these sorts of threats is

pretty bad.

This is why I'm saying, this is why I'm saying this is a show today for adults.

Because there are

two sides.

I could make the case that, yeah, damn right they go in and do that.

Okay, darn right.

They go in with guns ablazing.

He's a threat.

He's saying these insane things that no one would ever say.

And being a good church-going man, he should know the Lord would never.

have you say those things.

He would never endorse that.

So

teddy bear of a man.

Yeah, well, take a teddy bear.

It's only called Teddy because of Teddy Roosevelt.

That's a bear.

And you start harming a bear's child or its cub.

You start coming after it.

You go into a bear's cave.

He's going to maul you.

Now, I don't know if he did.

I don't know if he was armed when they came in.

I don't know if he threatened them.

I don't know.

I also don't think that it's unreasonable for somebody who's at their home all of a sudden, boom, somebody throws a flashbang and people are coming in your house and it's confusion.

I reach for my gun because I don't know who you are.

It becomes a chaotic situation.

He deserved the visit and, quite honestly, at least should have had a police car out in front of his house while Joe Biden was in town or to be monitored or to be picked up.

I don't know.

He made valid threats, what appeared to be valid threats against the President of the United States.

You don't do that.

Now, with that being said, you also don't do what the FBI did.

And if we cannot have an adult conversation and say, I don't know this man personally,

but let's take all emotion out of it.

What he did was wrong.

stupid, foolish,

probably

just all bravado because of stupid way we look at the internet we look at ourselves and we think oh we can say anything

well no

don't say anything say what you would say if you meant it and you were in person

but i don't trust the fbi at all i've broadcast for 50 years okay i'm coming up on my 50th year of broadcast i am seeing things now that i haven't seen except at at Ruby Ridge and Waco.

I've never seen in my broadcast years, I've never seen a president come to a town, FBI, break down and shoot someone who had made some crazy threat to the president in mail.

You know those existed.

And quite honestly, mail is much more

personal than social media.

If you mail something to the president, you're much more serious about it.

I've never seen them gun anybody down for that.

Ever.

This is not normal.

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Police say, not police, sorry, sources say, unnamed sources say, that Craig Robertson, this 75-year-old man in Provo, Utah, was armed at the time of the shooting.

What does that mean?

Was he pointing a gun at them?

Did he have a gun in...

I'm armed right now.

I'm carrying a gun.

But that doesn't mean

I'm a threat to you.

Was he holding the gun?

Or does arm mean that he had a safe full of guns?

What does that mean?

And if this shooting happened inside, which...

I'm led to believe it is, but I cannot confirm that because they won't confirm any details.

If this shooting happened inside, why exactly did the body, was the body moved to the sidewalk outside of the house and then let

to sit there for hours?

Something's very wrong here.

And that's not excusing what Craig Robertson said, apparently online.

Now, one of his friends from church is Travis Lee Clark.

He's a Utah Valley University adjunct professor.

He is a church friend,

knew Craig Robertson quite well.

Boy, I hate doing these interviews.

Travis, I'm so sorry for your loss, and I'm grateful that you are willing to come on the air and just tell us what you do know.

Thank you, Glenn.

I just wanted people to know the Craig that I knew.

Is Craig, you didn't know anything about his social media postings, right?

You didn't follow him there.

No, I did not follow him on social media.

I did not see that until

later in the day after I knew he was killed.

But I knew him.

I knew he was political.

He often

talked about politics.

He was a big Second Amendment supporter.

But I had never heard him say anything like that.

And he used a walking stick.

So

he was not really agile.

He was 300 pounds, 5'4,

75 years old.

So he was...

Go ahead.

He could not get out of a chair without his cane or walking stick.

And there were a few times where I had to help him get out of a chair.

And he was not a very mobile guy.

He lived less than half a block away from the church.

And he would drive himself and his son to church just because he really couldn't walk that distance.

If you saw him and you were on an FBI interview, would he be the kind of guy that you know, if you only know that what he said, I've got a ghillie suit, I'm going to go up into a parking lot and I'm going to stake out the president and I'm going to shoot him with my high-powered rifle.

Is he the kind of guy that you would, of course, if the president's coming in, you would go and make sure that he's not in his ghillie suit.

But would that be

a possibility or laughable if you had seen him, just seen him and not known him?

It's utterly unbelievable.

It's utterly laughable.

He was not very mobile.

He was not very active.

I could not imagine him in a million years getting dressed up in a ghillie suit and taking up some position, you know, as a sniper, you know, in the condition that he was.

He was just simply not capable of

executing these threats that he made.

I can't imagine anybody who knew him or met him for any length of time imagining that he was he was even physically capable of doing that.

You

know some of his neighbors.

Do you know, did the shooting happen in the house or outside?

Did the FBI

move the body?

My wife is good friends with the next-door neighbor who called us immediately after it happened because she had a five-year-old in the house and she was very traumatized and was looking for some place that as soon as they let her out of her house, because she was the whole neighborhood was locked down,

as soon as she was able to get out of her house, she wanted a safe place for her and her five-year-old.

So she called my wife, thought that maybe that could happen.

And then

my wife went over to go check on her and spoke with her.

And as near as I can tell, the shooting took place inside the house.

They

attempted to bash his front door down.

That failed.

Then they had a vehicle mounted battering around that went in through his front window, and then they went into the building.

And then that's when shots were fired.

And then,

for some reason, I don't know, his body was was taken out.

And when my wife went to go check on her friend, who was living right next door with her five-year-old son, and they were obviously traumatized, his body was still laying out there on the sidewalk under a sheet.

And this was around 8.30.

So this was, you know, two hours after the event supposedly happened.

And it was very distressing for my wife.

I bet it was.

That he was just

this person that we knew from church, this kind of lovable teddy bear kind of a guy

who didn't seem like a threat to anyone, was just playing out there.

She thought it was very disrespectful.

People don't understand

the neighborhoods in Utah are different.

Usually everybody goes to church, and the church is usually within a walking distance of a couple of blocks.

And so families really get to know each other, and children get to know each other.

Was he the kind of guy that the children knew in the neighborhood?

I understand that she did everything she could to keep her five-year-old son from knowing what was going on, took him down to the basement to

protect him because it was a very scary situation.

And

the second she found someone who could take her kid and get them out of that situation, she did.

But they were stuck there while all this was unfolding.

Yeah, I'm wondering how all the other children on the block, if they saw this man that they knew,

did he see him?

Did he seem at all crazy to you?

Did he seem like the kind of guy that would

just,

I spoke to him on Sunday.

I just said, hi, how you doing?

I meant to ask about his son.

I didn't ask about his son.

I feel bad about that.

He has an adult son who is disabled, blind, that he's the primary caregiver for and had been up until a few weeks ago.

His son had a stroke and is now

a character.

And

so I meant to ask about his son, but I didn't.

And I regret that.

But he seemed fine.

He was always good-natured, quick with a joke, could be a little bit curmudgeonly at times.

But he was, and I said this in my Twitter post, he was a a sweet guy.

And I know that sounds crazy considering what everybody's seen, what he's posted on Facebook, but he was.

He was a wicked person.

I think there's a monster in each of us that comes out sometimes on social media that you're like, you'd never say that

in real life, but you just become a monster because you're on social media and you think you can get away with it.

Yeah,

I think he just kind of leaned into his online persona.

But

anyone who saw him and his condition and anyone who knew him and his personality would have just thought this guy is just he's just trolling and just went over the top and in exceedingly bad taste and

not very wise

statements.

But I can't imagine anybody who knew him thinking that

he was any of that was more than just bluster.

And I do.

I think he just went into some dark places and leaned into his online persona and

blew it up because he just simply was incapable of

enacting any of the things he said.

Had you ever gone over to his house or know anybody that you had?

Did he have guns laying around?

Was he sitting next, you know, in his recliner?

Did he have a gun sitting there?

No,

he always had his gun secured.

He had a workshop, and

he loved to work on wood and wood projects.

And most of the time, that's what we talked about.

So anyone who needed help, he would do that.

But every time

I went over there, he had his guns and he was a gun collector.

He loved his guns and would work on his guns.

And I would do some builds on guns.

Well, here's why I'm asking this.

This is why I'm asking this.

The FBI said he was armed at the time of the shooting.

I don't exactly know what that means.

I know if you want to make it it look like you know, he was shooting back, you say he's armed, but I carry a gun, I'm armed right now, but I'm not a danger to anybody unless you are threatening me.

I'm wondering if the police come into the house and he's in bed or he's sitting in his chair, he has a hard time getting up.

Is he the kind of guy that had a gun on him all the time that he was like, whoa, somebody's coming in and he's pointing a gun at the FBI?

I don't know.

I don't know, but

he was.

Did he carry a gun that you know of?

Did he carry a gun all the time?

I don't know.

But I mean, it wouldn't surprise me because he talked about concealed carry.

But if he did,

he wasn't flashing it in church.

He wasn't, you know,

he wasn't like some of these gunner who are flashing their gun and doing everything else.

If he did, he was very discreet about it.

And, and it, it never worried me at all.

Um, he was always very conscientious about his guns, about safety, his guns.

His guns were in a secure place in his house.

And so

I can't imagine.

I mean, yeah, he had guns in the house, but I don't know what the situation or how it unfolded.

One last thing.

This bothers me that the FBI, who knows that they're supposed to be trained in de-escalation,

they knew he was a ward clerk.

So he's in part of what's called the bishopric.

He is part of the leadership of the church.

And

he's known to be a nice guy.

If the FBI knows this, they should have gone to the bishop.

Is he the kind of guy that the bishop would have gone to and said, hey, listen, FBI approached me.

They need to talk to you.

The president's coming to town.

What are you doing?

Why are you writing these things?

Listen,

they have a warrant.

Talk to them.

Could he have, would he have listened to somebody like that?

I think he would have.

I think he would have.

I think that anyone who had contacted anybody in the church or anybody in the community that he knew or trusted

could have gotten a read on him and figured this out.

I just can't believe that

this required a swamp team at a dawn raid.

It seems a complete overreaction for a man who

was very physically limited.

And I just can't believe that he got this kind of attention.

Seeing the Facebook posts, well, I understand why, but I don't understand why that escalated immediately to a SWAT team.

I didn't know that he had been visited by the FBI

in March, but I found that out.

But I think anybody who had visited him at that time

would have looked at him and said,

This guy may be a hothead, he may be a crank, but

he's not going to be that kind of threat.

And I just don't understand why this could not have been handled another way.

We're talking to Travis Lee Clark, who is a friend of Craig Robertson, who was shot and killed by the FBI in a raid of his house.

Travis,

I can't thank you enough.

I know when our producers reached out to you yesterday after seeing your post that

It was a horrible day, and this is the worst part of my job is having to

talk to people who are still in shock and still in mourning.

And I apologize for that, but I am so grateful that you would share what you knew about him.

Can you tell me the, if you feel comfortable, tell me the name of his son so we can have the audience pray for his son?

Sure, his name was Sean, Sean Robertson.

Okay, thank you, Craig.

Thank you, Travis.

I really appreciate it.

God bless you.

Thank you, John.

You bet.

That's Travis Lee Clark.

He is a Utah Valley University adjunct professor and a friend of the now-deceased Craig Robertson.

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I want to be very, let me be very Dickens about it.

It is, he is the worst of men and the best of men.

There are two sides to this man, and the FBI should have known this.

Now, I do not excuse anything that he wrote online.

You don't say that and not expect a knock at your door.

I

believe that every threat against a president's life, no matter who that president is, and I'm very, very consistent on this, on every president since I have broadcast, and the first president that I was broadcasting with or under was Jimmy Carter.

And I've always said this, you do not ever threaten the president's life, not even as a joke, ever.

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you expect the FBI to show up.

What he said online, I believe, is the sickness that we all have.

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the people who knew him in his life, they knew he was a teddy bear.

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Okay, so last hour,

we had an interview with Travis Lee Clark.

He is a church friend of the guy in Utah, Craig Robertson, that was shot.

I happened to be in Utah.

I was on a six-hour drive yesterday.

I have some meetings I have to attend.

And so I wasn't around the media at all.

And I stopped at a gas station and I checked my email and it's flooded with what's happening in Provo, Utah.

And I've done this, I'm coming up on my

47th year of broadcast.

I've seen a lot of things.

I was in radio when Reagan was shot.

I was in radio

when Hinckley went to jail, in radio when Hinckley was let out.

I've seen people make threats to the President of the United States before, and it is always wrong.

It is wrong to threaten somebody and their life.

Let's say you disagree with a ruling that you think is about to come out.

And so you go and you march in the streets to intimidate the Supreme Court justice that's wrong it's illegal and it's not exactly illegal because it's called parading it's illegal

but so is traveling across the country with guns with ropes with zip ties

and show up to a supreme court justice's house and you're going to kill him

but when that happens that doesn't mean that you're killed

now why do I say this well I thought that was the whole point of George Floyd

that the police should not use excessive force isn't am I wrong Stu or is it actually that they don't want the police at all

Because

I'm losing my way here.

There seems to be some schizophrenia on the left.

I thought it's because the police use extreme force when they don't have to, and they should all go through de-escalation school and everything else, right?

We should send a social worker out.

This is what they tell us,

but doesn't seem to be what they want in practice often, depending on who the villain is.

Correct.

Correct.

Okay.

So

we're supposed to de-escalate, but apparently the FBI, the people who are supposed to be the experts at de-escalation,

go into into a guy who's 75 years old, who has made awful, awful threats on the president and the vice president and judges,

all revolving around the chaos in Washington.

He has made awful, illegal threats.

He makes these threats online because I think

he thinks he's invincible.

He believes into, he believes his own garbage online, that he's this tough guy online when in real life he's not in real life

he's a normal guy and 75 years old walks with a cane

can't walk very far he's 5'4 300 and 300 pounds and he's the caretaker of his blind son who just two weeks ago had a stroke

so now the president of the united states is coming to salt lake city they shut the city down at the same time before the president lands, the FBI, as they should,

they go to contact this man.

Now,

all of this so far is understandable.

The FBI should go and contact people.

They should park a car in front of somebody's house.

If you know, let's say that I'm just pulling something out of the air.

You know of somebody like Lee Harvey Oswald and he's a danger.

and one of the agencies happens to have him on a payroll and you know he's been over to Russia You might want to keep him in your sights on the day that the president is in town unless he's working for you and maybe you have another agenda But that's a different story

I would expect the police

to go and sit in front of somebody's house if they think they're a danger.

I would expect the police or the FBI

to go and find out about this man, which they did back in April.

But then they just let it sit.

They did nothing about it until the president comes to town.

Then they take a battering ram to his front door, and when that isn't enough, they take one of their FBI tanks with a battering ram and run it through his front window.

They say he was armed.

You're in a tank.

That's like the Chinese saying, hey, that guy was standing

in front of the tank and he had a bag in his hand.

He could have thrown it at the tank.

They say he was armed.

I don't know what that means.

But I've watched enough CSI.

Stu have you watched CSI before?

What is the one thing that you do at a crime scene?

When there's a crime scene, what's the first thing you do or don't do?

No, well, you preserve evidence, right?

Yeah.

You don't disturb the evidence.

Yeah.

And the body?

You move the body, right?

Not usually, no.

No, not usually.

Yeah.

Isn't that weird?

You don't move the body.

But I guess if you're if you're the FBI, you can do whatever you want.

You don't need photographs to be taken.

You don't need anybody outside to come in and investigate.

You just move the body.

And you move this 75-year-old body in

a sweet little town

where the church is right around the block that he went to, and everybody else on the street goes to, and all the kids are playing in the streets and everything else.

You move that 75-year-old body and you put it on the sidewalk in the sun

for at least two hours.

Hey, did somebody call for a truck to pick that thing up?

Or what is that?

What is that?

Honestly, what is that?

There's some details that are missing, and I'm sorry that I don't exactly trust the FBI.

I've worked in this business for a long time.

I've never seen this happen before.

Well, except during this administration, but nobody was killed, but I keep seeing SWAT teams.

I'm trying to figure out why

this entire SWAT team and whoever called out for this SWAT team, I'm wondering, have they gone to any kind of de-escalation camps?

Maybe they should go to a re-education camp and learn again about de-escalation

because that's not the way you do it.

I want to talk to you about freedom of speech.

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we have

Kyle Serafin.

He is a federal whistleblower.

He's a former FBI agent.

He is one of the guys who

started blowing the whistle when all of this kind of stuff happened.

His father was in radio

in Texas, in Waco, Texas, when Waco was happening.

His father

talked to the branch Davidians, had them on the air, and worked with the FBI.

It's why Kyle wanted to be in the FBI.

He, you know, saw that and thought, that's an overreach, but I want to be one of the good guys.

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He's going to be joining us here in about 45 minutes, and he's going to talk about what the FBI does, break down this raid, tell us what he knows and what should have been done.

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Now,

we have freedom of speech.

People say, you can't say these things.

And I am not defending.

I am telling you right now.

If you ever write stuff like that, if that's what you actually believe and you really think,

I'm going to get into a ghillie suit.

Now, if you don't know what a ghillie suit is, that makes you look like a bush or a lump of grass, okay?

If his threat was, I'm gonna put on my ghillie suit and I'm gonna go to a parking garage and I'll set up my gun and nobody will see it coming.

In a ghillie suit in a concrete garage,

that's more obvious than the three amigos with the singing bush.

La la la la la!

You must be the singing bush, are you?

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Of course, it's a bush singing.

A giant bush walking with a cane

in a concrete parking lot

is not a disguise.

Now, you have the right to say it, but you know, good luck with that.

Good luck with that.

Gosh, we have to start saying what we mean and mean what we say.

All right.

So, freedom of speech, the freedom of the press.

Madison said it was the choicest of all great rights of mankind.

Why?

Because it allows you the opportunity to be you.

It allows you to question everything and you're not locked up by a church or by your neighbor or by a government.

You can't scream in a well you can't scream fire in a movie theater.

Really?

What did they say before Edison invented the projector in movies?

Well, you can't scream

fire in a.

Okay, well, someday I'll be able to finish that sentence.

And they weren't concerned about things like that.

These are bigger ideas.

Should someone be allowed to incite violence against the government?

Could you knowingly spread false and damaging statements against others or the government?

What speech is protected?

Well, we thought this was self-evident.

And then, of all people, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams get into a fight over this and fight over who's going to be president.

And Madison is saying, your children will be raped.

This is a quote, by the way, your children will be raped, and there will be blood in the streets, and the heads of your daughters will be on pikes.

all along your city streets if Jefferson is elected.

Okay, come pipe down here.

But what's the difference between that and what they're saying about Donald Trump?

Well,

Madison and Jefferson, oh,

you know what we need?

We need a sedition.

We need to curb all this seditious speech.

Really?

Do we?

They pass a law.

These guys pass a law where you can't say stuff about the president.

You can't say anything about the government.

Okay?

Sedition laws.

The sedition act.

It was aimed at, and I'm quoting, falsehood and malice only.

Falsehood and malice only.

Well, wait a minute.

This is what's happening today.

Was it false to say the vaccine is not tested and there's something wrong and it's i i'm not taking it because they're forcing it and they're covering up the the uh things that they do know are happening that maybe this did come from a lab that maybe some people are profiting off of this that shouldn't be profiting off of this those all turn out to be true but they were deemed false And who are they deemed falsehoods and misinformation, disinformation, dangerous information?

Who was saying that?

The government.

Because they weren't the police in this.

They were the salesmen.

You imagine if, you know, Church of Scientology came up.

Now, I can't even use that.

The Church of Satan comes up to your door.

and is preaching that Satan is the greatest, friendliest God ever.

And you say,

I don't think so.

I think Satan is, I don't know, Satan.

Well, we're calling the police on you.

You don't have a right to say that.

And then some other member of the church comes out and says, yeah, Satan's a good guy.

What are you talking about?

This guy's got to be shut down.

That's why the people who are enforcing this can have no say.

in what's true or not because they're the ones that you're most likely going to be speaking out against

so they go back and forth on this and the sedition act of course is repealed right away but what happens is they decide on what it really is and they say and i'm if i may uh quote them

uh the government finds his criticism ungrounded false and scandalous And is his publication malicious?

And by what kind of argument or evidence in the present temper of parties, could the accused convince them that his opinions were true?

There are many truths important to society that are not susceptible of that full, direct, and positive evidence which alone can be exhibited before a court and a jury.

And by the way, would the jury be composed of friends of the government and therefore find his criticism ungrounded, false, and scandalous?

The The truth of opinions cannot be proved.

Allowing truth as a defense of freedom makes as much sense as allowing a jury to decide the best food, drink, or color.

Citizens should have, I'm quoting, citizens should have the right to say everything

which his passions suggest.

He may employ all of his time, all of his talents, if he's wicked enough to do so in speaking against the government in matters that are false, scandalous, and malicious.

And despite this, he should be safe within the sanctuary of the press, even if he condemns the principle of Republican institution, censors the measure of our government, and every department and officer thereof, violating at once every principle and decency of truth, he still must be afforded the protection of the First Amendment.

So now what do you do if somebody makes a threat?

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I know what is going to be said today.

There are going to be people that write that I am defending this teddy bear of a man who was threatening the president of the United States.

That's what's going to be said.

And others will say, Glenn Beck said the FBI was justified in going in and shooting this man.

That's what both of them are going to say.

And both of them are wrong.

And both sides should learn the lesson from yesterday when it comes to the internet.

Say what you mean and mean what you say, period.

Be the same person online that you are in real life.

If you wouldn't say it to the person, then don't say it.

What do you say?

It is becoming dangerous.

And there are people on all sides that are trying to twist things.

And it is going to get more and more dangerous.

Don't listen to hyperbole.

Listen to people who say what they mean and mean what they say, and then become one of those people.

This is not helping either side, this shooting.

The FBI is not trusted by a growing number of Americans, and they're not trusted for very good reasons.

They have lied to Congress over and over and over again.

There's a new story about Christopher Wray lying to Congress about the,

what was it, the

Catholic thing?

And I think also about the

life.

He's lying in his own testimony, and you can prove it now.

So they don't deserve our trust.

When they start doing the right things and speaking the truth, no matter how hard it is or who it hurts, including themselves, then they will deserve trust again.

But

they don't go in and kill people.

And you shouldn't be the kind of person that can bring this kind of

dishonor to your family where I can't defend you because you said these things but I really want to because I don't think you believed any I don't think you meant any of those things maybe you did

but I don't think he did

so who wins who's left better with this situation no one is left in any better shape.

That's because we have all forgotten the responsibility that comes with your freedom of speech.

You in this country have a right to say what you believe.

You don't have a right to threaten somebody's life online.

That's illegal.

You can't do that.

You don't make threats against people's lives.

You don't incite violence.

You don't go out and say, let's go into the Capitol tomorrow.

Well, that one I think you can say if you're the right person.

Seems the press will leave you alone if that happens.

But you don't threaten the president or judges or anybody else, okay?

Because you have a responsibility.

And quite honestly, Christians, we have a responsibility to be more Christ-like.

That doesn't mean we are Christ-like all the time because we're humans.

We're not Christ.

I don't know how many times I think to myself, you know, in shameful moments, when I say something and my first thought is, well, well, I mean,

Jesus didn't live in these times.

Jesus wasn't a talk show host.

Jesus didn't live in these times.

I don't know.

I don't have a crown of thorns on my head.

I think he might have had it a little worse than I have.

And he still

prayed for the people.

Because he knew they're all our brothers and sisters.

And if the shooter would have realized that in his anger, he wouldn't have said those things.

And quite honestly, if the FBI was doing their job and they were

a system of justice for,

by, and of the people, they wouldn't have gone in and done this.

They would have de-escalated this, and it wasn't hard to do in this particular case.

Not hard to do.

But they don't care because they're not part of a government of, for, and by the people.

At least right now, they seem to be operating like they are just the government and you are you.

And that's the problem because more and more people, this guy spoke out, I think, because he was scared.

He saw what was happening to his country.

He saw what was happening to people's rights, and he saw the lies over and over and over again.

And I think people are just reaching a point where they're like, okay, well, I was going to do that.

Well, no, no, nothing will be solved if we act like that.

Everything will be solved because it's all coming unraveling.

Did you see that S ⁇ P stopped using ESG as a score now?

Did you see that?

It's all coming undone.

The truth will set you free.

It'll make you miserable first.

But it will set you free and it will it will free all of the minds that are currently captured in all of these lies

it will and it will save them and quite honestly the lord would have us saving all of his children

we don't just go yo they're wrong i'm gonna get them oh payback's a bitch we don't do that you think your dad would do that hey hey hey That's your sister.

Love her.

She's hurting right now.

She's misguided right now, but love her always.

Do no harm.

Don't you dare say that about your sister.

You love her.

That's what our father in heaven would say about all those we deem enemies right now.

And that's hard to do.

It doesn't mean we don't tell them the truth.

It doesn't mean that we don't try to stop their errors from harming others.

But it's all coming undone.

So the reality is, for instance, the president is going on this tour to talk about climate warm climate change.

It's been what, 17 days of temperatures in Dallas over 100.

That's the worst thing that's ever happened in history, man, for the last four and a half trillion years.

It's not this hot even on the sun.

Not true.

Did you know in 1980,

the record was, well, it's been 17 days?

I think the record was 50 or 60 days in a row hello

and that was at the end of the global cooling scare

so it's it's his for instance he's going around right now talking about quote the largest investment in climate in the history of the world What was that investment in the climate?

That investment in the climate is called the Inflation Reduction Act.

Why did you call the biggest investment in climate the Inflation Reduction Act?

Because it's a lie.

The whole thing is a lie.

Now, he says these things, and you get frustrated, and I get frustrated.

But right now, he's saying, you know, prices are way down.

This binomics, it's working.

It's working.

Well, is it?

Have you paid for gas lately?

Did he fix that or make it worse?

How is your grocery bill?

Well, inflation's down to 3%.

Yeah, plus the 9.1 from the prices being risen last year.

They didn't go back down 9%.

They went down 6%

this year.

They didn't go down from...

They're still growing, still growing.

We're actually not even down.

I'm sorry.

We are up 12% now.

Well, gee, that's good.

12%.

That's worse than 9%.

The Build Back Better Act.

So he's saying now that you are getting off,

quote, we're about building an economy from the middle out and the bottom up, not the top down.

Then let me ask you, Joe Biden,

you are now reportingly requesting more disaster relief for Ukraine.

This is the country that we're not following the money.

This is the most corrupt country in the land.

This is the country that you and your son were doing business business with, and that's not speculation anymore.

That's fact.

Look, can we get past this, please?

We have the documents, for the love of Pete.

We have 70 warnings from the banking sector saying money laundering.

Can we please get past that?

Because we're still sending money over there and we don't know where it's going.

But that's not all.

You're still enriching people, bad guys.

You're taking our money and you're sending it over there and God only knows who's enriching themselves.

But let me give you this.

Biden transition official caught on camera now saying border crisis is a boom for business.

Why is it a boom for business?

Well, because he was a guy that was overseeing the detention

and he was building all kinds of things for the for the for the immigrants and he was sending all kinds of money to these new organizations that he was getting money from.

It's corruption.

He was enriching himself.

How about this one?

Fauci and the NIH scientists personally collecting royalty payments from taxpayer-funded inventions.

Was anyone making money on this?

Well, yeah, they were.

I told you three years ago, I showed you the evidence of how this works.

I showed you that they were making money on these things.

Did you get a check?

Because I didn't get a royalty check.

Did you get a royalty check?

Well, no, no, no, no, of course not.

They're building this from the bottom up.

And the people like Fauci and the secretary that was, you know, helping out on the border, that's the very bottom.

That is the very bottom.

The NIH took royalties from a Wuhan lab collaborator.

A alleged front for Russian bioweapons.

That's the very bottom, right?

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Huh.

Then they declared bankruptcy.

But don't worry.

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That was just your money.

She happened to invest in it when it was going up when the government's getting their money.

And then when they started looking at it, they're like, oh boy, this thing's going to fail.

She got her money out, so she made her profit.

That's building it from the bottom up, isn't it?

When they say we're going to build it from the bottom up, we're going to build the poor people

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I don't want the government doing any of that.

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hello America I want to talk to you about the FBI and de-escalation and I'd like to actually talk to somebody who knows something about it a former FBI agent he is a federal whistleblower a former former FBI agent for a reason but he has some experience in this at least personal experience his father was loosely involved with the Waco situation his father was a broadcaster who actually spoke to the Branch Davidians on air and worked with the FBI.

Kyle is here to tell us what he thinks about yesterday's action in Utah.

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How are you, sir?

I'm doing very well.

How are you doing, Glenn?

I'm good.

So this

situation that happened in Provo, Utah yesterday is bothersome on so many levels.

And let me start first with the quote-unquote victim,

the guy who was making threats.

You don't do that.

What he did was wrong, illegal, and you would expect the FBI to come in.

However, you wouldn't expect them to kill him.

So, I don't see a good guy here on either side, although I do kind of side with

the victim because it was completely unnecessary on what happened.

Can you talk me through this?

Yeah, so we have to look at sort of the bigger picture.

The bigger picture is this.

You can make really bad decisions and get to the point where there's a SWAT team there.

And once that happens, a shooting of someone in that scenario can be very justified.

And the deadly force policy for the FBI, which is the entire DOJ's deadly force policy, it's pretty specific.

The most operative clause there is when the officer has a reasonable belief that the subject of the force, that's the person they shoot, poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or another person, then that deadly force is justified.

They're able to do it.

So you can have a justifiable shooting.

And I'm pretty confident, I've talked to my buddies who are actually on that team, that this was a straightforward weapon scenario.

They were justified in making that shot.

But we have, that's, that's C D and E of the steps of, you know, like he produces a a weapon, they have to react to it, and then the guy is dead.

That's C, D, and E.

But A and B is the decisions of the investigation that went on before it and the decision to send SWAT into this guy's presence.

And those can be bad decisions.

So we can step further back and see this being a bigger problem.

And so even though the SWAT team may have been justified in their shooting, sending SWAT, which is an FBI, kind of a standard move right now.

They have a whole matrices of...

questions and concerns for any given arrest operation.

SWAT is the default position.

I used to joke that the guys, because I used to to work with the SWAT team in Washington field office.

I've worked with SWAT teams in other places as a surveillance agent.

We were integral in watching people before they were arrested.

And so you would keep an eye on the subject before it happened.

So I've done this, I don't know, upwards of 50 times, I would say.

I've been in a lot of these briefings.

Some of my buddies have been on these teams for a long time.

And

the kind of the kooky piece of it is, is that

You don't want to engage somebody in a place where they are most likely to be violent.

That's not the best course of action, right?

So in order to get this guy into custody safely, there are many other tools in the tool belt.

But I used to tell the guys on SWAT, SWAT doesn't stand for special weapons and a tactic.

It actually is the standard warrants and arrest team because they are the default position the FBI goes to to make arrests.

Some cases

never will, they'll never use their handcuffs because SWAT is busy doing their arrests.

And that's a good question.

That's not good.

So, Kyle, here is the thing.

First of all, I thought George Floyd, I thought that was all about, you know, and all the march against police of using excessive force when it wasn't needed.

I'm disgusted by this whole thing, and I still believe what the guy did was wrong, and he should have expected the FBI to show up, but they did show up.

He's 75 years old, he is obese, 5'4, 300 pounds.

He can't get up

out of a chair without a walking stick or a cane.

He walks with a cane.

He's got a blind son who just had a stroke.

And you use basically a tank to come in through his front window.

I mean, here's the problem.

If you wanted to get this guy and make sure that you had him in custody,

why wouldn't you take him when he got out of his car at this parking lot of the supermarket?

Why wouldn't you take him out,

you know, and surround him and arrest him in the parking lot of his church?

Why wouldn't you go?

He was a member of the church in good standing.

He was actually part of the leadership of the church in a small way.

He was a secretary to

a clerical position.

He could have gone to the pastor or the bishop and said, the FBI could have said, look, we have a warrant.

We know this guy is old.

He's infirm, but he's doing things that are really dangerous and de-escalate.

What they did is they almost guaranteed that this man would die.

I agree with you, and I agree that all those tactics, those techniques you just mentioned, those are in the tool belt and they exist, but the FBI is fundamentally not flexible.

They're not nimble and they're sort of lazy in their thinking.

There's an old saying that if you choose your doctor, you choose your diagnosis.

In many ways, if you choose your law enforcement tactic, you're going to choose that outcome as well.

And you at least put certain things on the table that wouldn't otherwise be there.

My old job, I spent three years doing this thousands of hours a year,

it was called Special Operations Group, but essentially we were a surveillance group that had the ability, because we were armed agents, to do interdiction.

And they call it TSI in the FBI or tactical surveillance to interdiction.

And it's exactly what you just said.

I grab you when you're pumping gas.

We grabbed MS-13 members who might swing a machete at us and we might have to shoot.

We grabbed them when they had two cups of coffee in their hand because they were going to their construction job at seven in the morning.

And that is far safer for the public.

It's safer for the subject and it's safer for the officer.

So when you...

So what the hell happened?

Why would you do that for MS-13, but not for a 75-year-old guy who doesn't mean the things that he's saying?

He's just wrapped up in this stupid internet world.

There's two possibilities.

One is that they're sending the message, and that is definitely a real possibility, and we have to do it.

But we can't impugn people's motive without knowing.

And the second possibility is lazy thinking, which is that we've always done it this way, and that is a default FBI position.

It's like, well, we had two agents shot in 2021 on that child pornography warrant down in Miami, and we send SWAT to people that might have a gun because that's one of the criteria.

If they have a dangerous dog, that's a criteria for SWAT.

And if they've shared basically that they have negative feelings about law enforcement.

And one of the three charges that is in that complaint about this guy, Craig Robertson, is a complaint about him making threats to law enforcement.

That's the count number two.

It's 18 USC 115, where he basically told the FBI, come back with a warrant.

And by the way, I'm carrying a gun.

And so they took that as a threat.

And look, that's a legitimate threat.

His original threat.

I agree.

Those all happened in March.

Like you said, bad choices.

But you also see that the reason that this thing kicked off and why they went to go grab him was because Joe Biden was coming to the state and he made a threat to Joe Biden.

So we had the final straw was actually 18 USC 871, which is usually a Secret Service sort of prerogative.

It just turns out we had this open case from the FBI.

So why wouldn't the Secret Service be the ones to go in?

I've done this for 50 years, Kyle.

I've reported on crazy stories for 50 years, 47.

And I got to tell you, I've not seen this before with Secret Service or the FBI.

I've seen them go take people in their house.

I've seen them, you know, president is coming in.

They've monitored somebody.

I've never seen this.

No, you're spot on.

And so the concern is,

let's just do like a little replay because we all live through Donald Trump's pregnancy.

Presidency.

Pregnancy.

My wife is pregnant.

Well, my wife is pregnant right now.

She's about to have a baby.

So I have this.

I've got babies right there.

Sorry about that.

But yeah, think about this.

You've got people like Kathy Griffin that were cutting off the head of an effigy of Donald Trump.

You've got Snoop Dogg pointing a gun at a Donald Trump sort of actor.

You've got guys like...

You have Johnny Depp saying

the last time an actor killed a president with John Wilkes Mooth, maybe an actor should kill this president.

I mean, they didn't bust his door down.

Madonna saying she

left the White House.

Okay.

Yep.

So, and did any of those people, and I had people respond to me on social media and they said, well, the Secret Service called them.

And I said, I always felt like when the Secret Service called somebody, it's the same as the SWAT team breaking down your window at 6.15 in the morning.

It's just, it's night and day in the experience of it.

And so that is where it feels like it's weaponized because people are seeing two different sides and the way they were treated.

And that's troubling.

It should be really troubling to Americans.

All right.

So

they say he was armed.

What does that mean?

That he had guns in the safe or he was holding one and pointing it at a tank or pointing it at the officers?

Even having it in his hand would make it justifiable.

That is an imminent threat.

And so they can justify, like I said, you can say that this was a justified shoot and that it was a quote-unquote good shoot in the law enforcement context.

Wow, really?

Because hang on just a second, Kyle, because I can't do that.

If my life isn't truly threatened, even if he's pointing a gun at me, if I don't feel I'm truly threatened by that, it's not a justifiable shooting, and I'll have to go to court to prove that.

But the FBI is okay.

Well, it's the way it's taught at Quantico.

And so this is maybe some inside baseball for your listeners, but they actually do a scenario where a guy guy is sitting at a desk.

And the reason why is this, and Glenn, this is me trying to be very fair to both sides of it, of which

like I said,

I don't think anybody that was on that warrant woke up in the morning and said, we're going to go kill this guy and here we go.

And I fived it when they were done.

I think they're probably devastated.

But the decisions from the management tree that made them there in that spot were very bad.

And I think they're incredibly dangerous.

The scenario that gets taught at Quantico, it's a standard training scenario that every FBI agent goes through.

There's a man sitting at a desk.

He has a gun on the desk with his hand on it.

You are approaching this guy to give him a subpoena.

You get up and you realize he has a weapon system.

If you try to talk him down, he is saying he's going to kill himself, but he kills his secretary and then he kills himself before you get a chance to react.

And the fact of the matter is, is all these scenarios, action will beat reaction.

If someone has a weapon system in their hand and they have it at low ready or it is their hand in a holster, they can actually shoot you.

You can actually draw a weapon out of the holster and shoot somebody if you make that decision before the person who's holding a gun on you can actually react.

It's been proven over and over and over again on every level, Special Operations Troop Do it.

So that's why there's an MIT standard.

I've actually gone through the training

and one of the scenarios is a guy who's holding his girlfriend hostage.

And the only way that you win in that situation is if you shoot him first.

So I've seen the training and I understand that.

I'm just bothered by

what happened here because I've never seen it before.

It's an overreaction from government it is clear i mean right now if this man were black and a democrat everybody would say say his name say his name uh and uh you want to talk about it

yeah the cities would be on fire uh and so i'm really bothered by it and i'm also really bothered by the fact because i've seen csi but maybe the fbi doesn't need to have anybody check on them why did they move the body from the house and leave it out on the sidewalk for two hours so I got two possibilities, and they're both stupid.

The one possibility is they moved him out there to work on him in a medical scenario.

We set up usually outside of these buildings and what we call a casualty collection point.

That's pretty standard military tactic.

So you take people outside of the place where the threat is, you bring them to a safe place, and then you can work on them.

That's acceptable.

And

I've been a paramedic for over 10 years, and that's what our plan was.

You don't really expect to ever have to use it on a subject.

It's generally in case one of your teammates is hit, but that may be the plan that they executed.

So let's go with that.

But why was he left left out there?

And we're hearing reports he was left out there for hours.

And I can't validate those yet, but let's just assume that was.

That is basic government and particularly FBI incompetence because the FBI doesn't deal with bodies.

They don't shoot very many people, number one, thankfully.

And number two, there's no plan if they did.

Like, they don't deal with homicides.

That is a local police matter.

And so

if you have this scenario happen, what the hell do they do?

They don't even know.

They're calling, like, how do we get the lab division?

Where's the ERT, the evidence response team?

They're probably trying to do everything right and, you know, do the the federal thing, like, you know, dot the I's and cross the T's, but they're screwing up and they're leaving a body out.

Maybe that's why, did they involve the local police or did they call 911 after they shot him?

Maybe that's why you would have the local sheriffs.

Yeah, that's why you should have the sheriff's department and the police department there because who's watching the bad guys?

Who's watching the bad guys?

If this guy is bad, great.

If the other side is bad, we should know about it.

And that's only if we have an an independent look at it.

I mean, I, I just, this really, really bothers me.

And I'm not defending him.

I'm really not.

He, he was, I mean, he's known in the community as being a lovable teddy bear kind of guy, but he got wrapped up in the in his internet persona and did stupid, stupid things.

But they've already met this guy.

They've been looking at this guy forever.

He's in a he's threatened the president.

He says he's going to get into a ghillie suit.

And a ghillie suit in a car park surrounded in cement, and he's 300 pounds and he walks with a cane.

What Bush walks around with a cane?

I mean, it's ridiculous the way this was handled.

And I hope it's not swept under the rug.

Kyle.

Unfortunately, just because they do.

This is not the side that people get outraged about, unfortunately.

I am.

I thank you, and I hope I'm I'm not unfair to

those good FBI agents, but it's high damn time voices like yours are not so alone.

It's high time that the FBI says, you know what?

This was a horrible error, and I'm not going to be a part of this.

I'm sorry, but we didn't make this decision.

They did, and it was a stupid decision.

Somebody needs to pay for it.

Sorry, Kyle.

Thank you so much.

No, I I appreciate it.

Thanks, Blen.

You bet.

I think this, dude, did I

make him mad?

No, I don't think so.

I think you guys generally agree.

He obviously has really, real inside knowledge on what they're doing on a day-to-day basis

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You know, he was talking about the FBI being lazy, and it is true.

The FBI, Secret Service, they're lazy.

I would rather have my security that I have every day

than the Secret Service because we have gotten around the Secret Service several times.

And we've told them, hey, by the way, we just came in through an unlocked door back there.

You guys should probably check the unlocked doors right behind you.

They're sloppy because it's money.

How they solve everything is, well, we got the resources.

We have money.

We'll just hire more.

We'll just buy more

metal detectors.

We'll just do more.

But they don't think.

And that comes from government having an endless pile of money.

And they put themselves, they put you, they put the president, they put everybody in danger.

And we're seeing that.

If this is because they're just lazy,

that is really dangerous.

You don't want somebody with all kinds of power to kill people without question

who are lazy.

This is a problem from

government bloat.

I don't like days like today.

I really don't.

Because

there's not a good guy in this scenario.

And

it complicates everything.

That's why we just have to be people of honor.

It's why we have to be people that say what we mean and mean what we say.

And if you act in a stupid way, well, then you're going to expect stupid results.

Yeah, yeah.

It's a really fair summary of a really tragic situation, but

it is part of it.

And I think, you know, the other thing I think, you know, worth highlighting here is the reaction to this.

I don't know, Glenn, when we started doing this show 20 years ago, some guy who made threats on the internet gets shot in a house.

Like, we're probably thinking to ourselves immediately, like, oh, well, don't make threats.

And, you know, this is the FBI is doing its job.

I think the doubt on these institutions has become so thick that it's almost impossible for people to believe a normal story anymore.

If it's true.

When's the last time you even saw the FBI break down the house of an Antifa member?

When have they ever gone in?

Never.

Never.

Never.

It's not just incompetence, laziness.

It's an agenda.

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Is she bad enough to beat Kamala Harris yet, or she still needs a little more mental deterioration?

She's still more coherent than Kamala Harris.

I don't think there's any doubt about that.

But

it is sad.

I believe she is out of the hospital now, though.

Okay.

So that's good.

It does seem like it was

not going to cause any long-lasting issues.

Though again, she is under a power of attorney from her child now.

This is one of the most embarrassing escapades we've ever seen in

the history of the country.

I mean, I've never seen anything like this.

They're propping up a person who can't speak, who can't think, and telling her which votes to cast in between falls.

I mean, it's

what does that tell you?

What does that tell you?

That these are revolting people that will do anything for power?

Yeah, we know that.

We We know that.

But what else does that tell you?

To me, that tells me it's a machine.

That the vote of the people doesn't matter.

You're voting for an individual.

It doesn't matter.

The machine prefers just a cog.

It doesn't care.

It's not going to stop.

Nothing's going to stop.

Just fill the seat so we have which machine to turn on, the red one or the blue one.

And then the machine will take care of everything and tell you exactly what to do, where to sit,

what to say, that the individual doesn't matter.

And how is that inconsistent with people who want socialism and a big government administrative state?

How is that inconsistent?

We just need an administrator to do it.

So we're just, you know, we're winking a nod.

Yeah, representative of the people.

It's really despicable.

Yeah, and it shows you it's a machine.

And the word prefer is interesting here because I think the Democrats would prefer not have to deal with dealing with the embarrassment of this when she's caught on a la hot mic saying she doesn't understand what the vote is.

She doesn't know where she is.

She doesn't remember what she did yesterday.

They'd prefer not to deal with that embarrassment.

But

if you could hide it, I think they like this situation.

They're able to just push her around and she doesn't have any independent moments.

What if, you know, they got mad at her recently because she was she didn't hate Amy Coney Barrett apparently appropriately, to the appropriate amount that they're supposed to hate her.

And

she was complimentary to Republican senators

instead of just calling them evil all the time.

She's not going to have any independent moments like this.

And they think they like that.

It's really disgusting.

And by the way, it's not, we should point out John Fetterman is another example of this.

He should not be in the Senate.

He should not be in the Senate.

Mitch McConnell, I'm sorry.

It's possible you could have a moment, like, I don't know, some sort of flu or whatever.

You're really sick.

You have a moment like that.

But there were reports of multiple situations where he's in the middle of a speech and he stops.

That moment in front of cameras like that should be the last day you're in the Senate.

I'm sorry.

If you can't, if you have a moment like that, you should be getting medical attention and living out your years with the rest of your family.

You should not be in the Senate.

I don't care if he's a Republican.

I don't care if he votes.

He's, by the way, probably the most responsible, even more than Donald Trump, for getting these Supreme Court justices in.

He was the guy before Trump was president that blocked the Merrick Garland Supreme Court nomination.

He was the guy that's responsible for this.

He's a lot of things I don't like about Mitch McConnell, but he's done things that have been good as well.

I don't care.

It has nothing to do with party.

It has nothing to do with whatever policies you're pushing through.

If you are in that state, you should not be in the U.S.

Senate.

I think it's blatantly obvious to every single American.

I think so, too.

By the way, have you heard you're a sports guy, so let me talk sports with you.

Oh, God.

Okay, let's talk sports.

Let's talk about them

Washington football team.

You mean like the Washington Commanders?

Is that what you're talking about?

The Commanders.

Did you hear that they're getting sued by a Native American tribe?

Is it getting sued or are they just threatening a boycott?

I thought I heard the boycott, but maybe it's a good idea.

Oh, yeah, maybe it's a boycott.

Yeah.

Yeah, the boycott that they're not going to do it until they change their name back to the Redskins.

Yeah.

That is fantastic.

It is fantastic.

We need that tribal chief on with us.

I want to talk to him.

Yeah.

I mean, this is something, by the way, that was completely backed up in polling before.

all of this happened.

I think it was 91% of Native Americans said they saw the Washington Redskins as a positive.

A positive.

As an honor, as something that reminded them of their culture.

And that's the exact same thing this group, which is threatening the boycott, is saying.

They're saying, like, well, we want this name to be there.

We want people to be reminded and learn about our culture and our history.

Everybody who's looked at the history of the Washington Redskins would acknowledge that the Redskins' name was put there as an honor to Native Americans.

And, you know, the easiest way to understand that is it was basically named after the coach at the time who was Native American.

Yeah, don't worry about it.

Here's something that AI is

that we're going to be lucky that it can do this because I can think of so many great things from this.

Researchers have now trained AI to be able to identify this.

Know what that is?

That's me typing on my keypad.

And what researchers have done is they've taught AI to recognize the sound of every key.

So, you know,

when you think,

I'm trying to think of a good way to use this,

when you think,

hey,

my son or daughter are writing a text to me and they don't know that I'm blind.

And I don't want to tell them I'm blind.

Tell me what they're writing.

Because I can't

for some reason, use text to speech.

What is that for, except for insidious things?

Yeah, because tell me, tell me

what would that be forced to.

Yeah, what they're saying is it could very easily, for example, make it so that you could detect a password being typed when you're on a Zoom call, right?

Where you could detect anything that you could detect the words in it, something like 90% accurate already.

So,

but I know you're saying the blind thing as a joke as to what would be the positive use for this.

Like, I don't know.

I can't possibly imagine it.

Other than the fact of maybe making people aware that

this stuff is out there, you know, like when

it is important that people,

it's non-stop scams.

I mean, I don't know about you, Glenna.

If you're getting, you know, my wife gets, I swear, different scam text every day, every two days.

Constantly people like, oh, this is the wrong number.

Hey, let's become friends so I can pull you into my crypto scheme.

Like, I mean, it's just like it's constant.

And, you know, people.

It's only going to get worse.

It's only going to get much worse.

Worse and better, right?

Worse in the idea that it's going to be more common, used more often, and cheaper for scammers overseas to be using these things, but better in that the quality is going to get much better.

Like, they're still terrible, right?

Like, they're still really bad at this.

You know what?

I have to tell you, I appreciate a good scam.

This isn't anything like a good scam.

No.

You know, I guess in a way, I have such admiration for what the left has done to this country in one way.

It's brilliant, brilliantly executed, a brilliant plan.

They covered all of the exits, all of the contingencies.

It is, it's,

it's a thing of amazement on how they have done this.

But I think it's evil.

But someday, someday, when all of this is done, some dispassionate historian who's no longer impacted by it, unless he's still in jail,

he will write the whole plan out and say, look at how they did this.

This is brilliant.

It's truly brilliant.

And they did it all without AI until the very end.

And then they had them.

Well, one of the big things about the scams, we've always mocked like the Nigerian prince scam, right?

Where like,

hey,

my uncle's a prince and he left me $500 million, but you need to pay me $50,000 to free it, and then I'll send it all to you.

And like,

how does anybody fall for this?

But one of the things that's been pretty consistent with these scams over the years is that the lack of quality is actually part of the plan.

It's a feature, not a bug.

You always look at these things, you're like, well, these words are spelled incorrectly.

It's obviously not someone speaking English.

It doesn't make any sense what they're saying.

Like, English is not their first language.

And

what researchers have found over the years is that, well, if you pick that up, if you're smart enough to pick that up and see that the misspellings and the bad English and the terrible plots and the unreasonable logic,

if you're smart enough to see that, you're not going to fall for the scam anyway.

So scammers were sending these things this way intentionally, hoping to rope in people that were dumb enough to fall for all of this.

And of course, they were always targeting people that were not, you know,

not just dumb, but also just like not fluent on the way online interactions worked and all of that.

They targeted people who were vulnerable.

Well, I think as the AI thing comes in, that's going to change, right, Glenn?

It's going to be like these things are now really impressive.

The woman we talked to whose daughter called her on the phone and said she was being kidnapped, and then it wasn't her daughter.

It was just an AI replica of her voice.

What do you do?

How would you even see that coming?

How would you know it was going on unless your daughter was sitting in your room with you?

I have to tell you, I have a way to stop this.

Well, I can't tell you because it's the way our family is stopping it, but it's an ingenious thing and it's so simple.

But I honestly can't tell you.

I don't know why.

What the heck is that?

What do you mean you can't tell me?

You can't tell us.

I can't tell you because we use it as our family.

Let me give you, give me till tomorrow.

I'll try to figure out a way to tell you something like it.

But

you just have to find a way with your family to have a password or a passcode or something like that.

And it always has to change.

It has to be almost a formulae, a formula.

Like,

you know,

you pick a number, seven, and when that happens, you say, honey,

four.

The answer would be, their response should be three.

Right.

You need a code language to get through the world.

You need a code language, something that adds up to seven.

And that, but again, like that works on this scam.

And I've heard that particularly, I know yours is probably much more advanced than this, but the basic idea of having a safe word, a keyword with your family.

No, no, no.

Not a keyword, something that always is changeable.

Right.

So if I say, if I say a hundred,

they have to respond 93.

And it can be changed at all times.

And you never tell anybody your number is seven.

Right.

But that family's number gang is seven.

And I understand how that could work for this particular scheme, the kidnapping scheme.

But I'm talking, there's also financial scams and businesses.

Oh, no, I know.

That you work with on a daily basis, and they call up, and you think it's them, and fake websites, and all this stuff that is going on.

it's getting so much better and people are being scammed out of hundreds of thousands of dollars their life savings going down the drain over this stuff and it's only going to get harder and harder the you know if it was only really stupid people that fell for the Nigerian prince scam you know 10 years ago you're going to wind up every day that percentage of people who get caught up in this rises and it and it's going to get harder because I don't believe in Darwin you know but a lot of people believe in Darwin and so they're going to be it's going to to be tough because, I mean, they were just the slowest ones whose tail hadn't fallen off yet, so why care about those people?

But now, even smart people, you know, the educated elites, they might get caught up in these scams too.

What are they going to do about it now?

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Here's the thing.

Binomics is indeed working when we say that you look at the data, right?

Cost is going down, right?

You think about inflation, when you think about wages going up.

That is bidnomics.

Look, the president has always believed

as president, but as vice president, as a senator, that we need to build an economy that is building from the bottom up, middle out, right?

Stop, please, stop before my head explodes.

That's Corinne Jean-Pierre on, I think it was MSNBC talking about bidenomics, which he says is successful because prices are coming down.

Prices are not coming down.

This is not how inflation works.

When your inflation rate goes from 10% to 5%,

that does not mean prices are coming down.

To give you an actual example of this, if something costs you $100 and then, you know, your groceries, they cost you $100,

and then they start costing $110, they've gone up 10%,

and people are really angry about that.

And then a year later, you come back and check on the inflation and it's gone from 10% to 5%.

Well,

what do those groceries cost today?

They cost like $116.

Now, if you were angry about $110 for those groceries, wouldn't you be more angry about $116?

Yes, the rate of inflation have gone down, but those are rates that are building on the previous failures of your presidency.

It's going up and up and up every year.

These are all rates that are increasing.

the previously high inflation rates that we are already upset about.

And you know, it's just over and over and over again they try to do this and hope people don't understand how economics work.

And luckily they've got about 50% of the country that falls comfortably into that basket and they can get them as voters.

But you'd think eventually people would wake up.

And honestly, when it comes to inflation, this is hitting people every day so hard, they can't stop but feeling it.