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Hello, America.

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But here we are in this cesspool of corruption, and Stu is here to make sure that we cover it all.

Yeah, well, we'll see how much he wants to really cover of that Hunter Biden.

We have the videotape, Stu, of you, Hunter Biden.

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Well, uh, hello, Mr.

Stu.

Glad you did.

Thank you.

I appreciate you starting the show with

by coming after me and making false accusations.

Well, I think that's the way the world works now.

Well, okay.

You know what I mean?

Oh, so you're just doing it to fit in.

To fit in.

I want to be part of the Cool Kids Club.

And I had absolutely no idea what business my son was in.

I don't have any idea.

You never talked to your son about any of his business dealings whatsoever?

No.

Wait, we heard

an interview with you earlier this week where you talked to your son about the new job he was taking this week.

No, that's what you think.

Well, I talked to him about that, just not all of the prostitution, drug, and taking of money from foreign nationals.

Okay.

I mean, I don't even.

He may not be doing that.

Well, he's probably not.

What?

He's doing that?

I don't know.

I've never talked to him about it.

So that kind of, that story's kind of falling apart now, isn't it?

I mean, just a little bit.

And yesterday,

let me start here with

Jim Jordan setting the stage, cut 12.

You know whose story hasn't changed?

These two guys.

Their testimony has been consistent.

Throughout, their testimony has been the same.

And guess what?

Two days ago, an FBI agent confirmed their testimony.

Who are you going to believe?

The Justice Department can't get their story straight, changed three times in 33 days, or these two guys.

The Justice Department that was found to censor Americans just two weeks ago from the federal court in Louisiana, the Justice Department that said moms and dads are terrorists, the Justice Department that said if you're a pro-life Catholic, you're an extremist.

The Justice Department that can't get his story straight or these two guys.

10 years over a decade of experience for each of them.

The go-to guys in international tax evasion cases.

The A-team when it comes to investigating these matters, all over the world they've done this and who've been consistent throughout.

I think I'll believe these guys.

I think they're the ones telling the truth.

And that is fundamentally what this comes down to.

So, God bless you guys for the work you've done, the courage you have, and for being here today, stepping forward because you care about equal treatment under the law.

That's what's at stake, plain and simple.

Now,

there's a push for a special counselor,

a special counsel to look into that.

I'm not sure what more

you need.

I mean, it's all on videotape, and they have all the documents, and they have 80 notices from the different banks that they were using saying,

We think this is money laundering.

I mean, I don't know much, how much more you need to be able to

indict, but I don't know.

We should ask them about Donald Trump because they got so much on him.

Let me show you how some of the things that these guys testified and how this is all coming together.

Now, this is one of the guys top of the top of the IRS.

He's the whistleblower Gary Shapley.

He said they wanted to interview Hunter Biden.

And here's what happened.

Three.

The FBI SSA and I were assigned with interviewing Hunter Biden that day.

And the day previous, we went to the LA FBI field office and asked them to

contact the Secret Service Special Agent in charge from the LA field office at 8 a.m.

on the morning of December 8th and tell them that two agents were going to approach Hunter Biden

as part of an official investigation.

And the night before, all of that changed.

And all of that changed because FBI headquarters and Secret Service headquarters coordinated and

that information had gotten out to everybody the night before.

And we can talk about whether it's a highly political investigation and all of those different things.

But there's another group of people that was made aware of that the night before, wasn't there?

Yeah, that's correct.

And that would be the transition team.

That's correct.

And the transition team is a political operation set up to help the president-elect vet cabinet employees, work on inauguration, do all of those things.

I mean, is that your understanding?

Generally, yes.

Do they have any special investigative powers I don't know about?

Not that I would know of.

Your entire history and working in history with the IRS, you ever worked with a transition team of a resident to help set up an interview with a subject of a criminal investigation?

I have not.

Last question.

Did you ever get to interview Hunter Biden?

We did not interview him.

Holy cow.

Holy cow.

Laughable.

Stunning.

This is the same quality of investigation we got from the cocaine in the White House.

They're just like, yeah, we're just going to give up.

We're not even going to talk to people who may have been in the room.

I mean, they don't talk to the principal.

They never interview the person that they're talking about here.

I mean, it's insanity.

You know, the person that should be impeached is Merritt Garland.

Absolutely, totally, positively, he should be impeached because he's the one that is pulling all of the strings for this.

Listen to this.

He goes on to talk about what the DOJ also allowed.

I think this is the next

cut for.

The Justice Department allowed the president's political appointees to weigh in on whether to charge the president's son.

After United States Attorney for D.C.

Matthew Graves, appointed by President Biden, refused to bring charges in March 2022, I watched United States Attorney Weiss tell a room full of senior FBI and IRS senior senior leaders on October 7th, 2022, that he was not the deciding person on whether

charges were filed.

That was my red line.

Huh, that's a different story.

Now, the other whistleblower,

his name is Ziegler, cut five.

Listen to this.

There was an environment when

we were interviewing witnesses where you were afraid to ask questions, questions that could lead to the presidential campaign.

And this is after the campaign's over.

So questions like that was restricted and I was

so things like that were we were limited to talking about.

Who's running things?

Here he is again, cut six.

I will also note that while the impression has been conveyed by the U.S.

Attorney in Delaware that he has similar powers to that of a special counsel in this case, free reign to do as needed, That was not the case.

It appeared to me, based on what I experienced, that the U.S.

Attorney in Delaware in our investigation was constantly hamstrung, limited, and marginalized by DOJ officials as well as other U.S.

attorneys.

I still think that a special counsel is necessary for this investigation.

One last, one last one.

Here he is, laying out the money trail against Hunter Biden, Cut 8.

Let's get into the evidence, Mr.

Ziegler.

I want to direct you to pages 99 and 100 of your transcript.

How much money did Hunter Biden and his associates receive from the Romanian company you identified?

So that amount would be

from Romania.

So the approximate total transfers from the Romania company would have been $3.1 million to everyone.

$3.1 million.

How much did Hunter Biden and his business associates receive from State Energy HK Limited through the Robinson Walker LLC?

So total transfers from State Energy HK to Rob Walker was $3 million.

$3 million.

Was there a $100,000 payment from CEFC infrastructure to OWASCO PC, Hunter Biden's professional corporation?

Yes, Chairman.

Approximately, how much was transferred to Hunter Biden and his business associates through Hudson West 3?

So the total transfers from Hudson West 3 to everyone was $3.7 million.

$3.7 million.

How much money did Hunter Biden and his business associates receive from the Ukrainian company Burisma?

Burisma paid to everyone involved $6.5 million.

$6.5 million.

Barisma also paid Blue Star Strategies and a law firm hundreds of thousands of dollars, bringing the total Barisma payments to over $7 million.

Is that correct?

That is correct.

$7.3 million.

Look at the money.

And what is it that Hunter Biden was doing exactly?

I mean, how much would you pay the drug addict?

How much would you pay the guy who's selling, buying crack, smoking it all the time,

seemingly very undependable, and going through hookers, one right after another every day?

How much would you pay for that employee?

Because I'm pretty sure it would be a little less than $7.4 million.

What did he add?

What did he add

now if anybody is questioning who these people are here let me play cut one this is the first whistleblower

who talks about who he is listen there's no benefit for me blowing the whistle on this case absolutely none I have no book deal and the only money that goes into my bank account every two weeks is from my employment for the federal government

listen to the other guy cut seven I've recently discovered that people are saying that I must be more credible because I'm a Democrat who happens to be married to a man.

I'm no more credible than this man sitting next to me

due to my sexual orientation or my political beliefs.

The truth is, my credibility comes today from my job experience with the IRS and my intimate knowledge of the agency's standard and procedures.

I was raised and have always strived to do what is right.

Although I do have my supporters, others have said that I am a traitor to the Democratic Party and that I am causing more division in our society.

I implore you to consider that if you were in my position with the facts as I have stated them, ask yourself if you would be doing the exact same thing.

I hope that I am an example to other LGBTQ people out there who are questioning doing the right thing at the potential cost to themselves and others.

How is this

not the topic and not the only talk in Washington, D.C.?

This is so clear-cut.

Well, the good news is you have men like Mitt Romney on it.

And yesterday, Mitt Romney commented, cut 12.

You don't have it yet?

All right, let me take a quick break and then come back with it because I think it's very, very important.

It shows how much people are paying attention, and even people like Mitt Romney are

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Wow.

I think this is...

This is stunning news yesterday.

It's what anybody, if you're paying attention, was talking about.

This is so clearly an open-shut case and everybody in Washington is paying attention to it.

Yesterday, Mitt Romney made this statement.

Well, as you all know, today is National Hot Dog Day.

And perhaps you also know that hot dog is my favorite meat.

I love hot dogs.

I love them in buns.

I love them outside of buns.

I love them with baked beans.

I just like hot dogs.

It's the best

meat there is, without question.

So to all of you who, like me, are celebrating National Hot Dog Day.

Congratulations to you and may there be many, many more hot dogs served in our wonderful land.

Wow.

That's great.

I mean, that is a

take down.

You know, that should be under the headline, Mitt Romney destroys Hunter Biden, you know,

and his

family.

He does love the...

Yeah.

He does love the winner.

He loves wieners.

In the buns, out of the buns.

And notice the Freudian slip where he says it's International Hat Hot Dog Day when he's wearing a hat with a hot dog on it.

I think he's saying something there.

Might have been a little graft.

Might have been somebody stopping by the old office saying, here, have a hot dog and maybe a hat.

Why don't you promote us?

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Is there a little Hunter Biden?

How many hot dogs did Mitt Romney get

just to do that little ad for them?

I'll bet you two or three.

I'll bet you two or three happen.

And then after that, he's going to be all over

the other hot dogs

and

the impeachment proceedings.

I don't know about you, Stu, but I feel good about justice in America today.

Do you know?

Because I'm not exactly

on that page with you after watching a lot of this.

I mean, I know the hot dog thing is important, but you see person after person going through all this data and all of this stuff that's backed up with the documents, right?

Like, this is not.

I mean, maybe what's the argument here for him not being charged already?

Is it just that, okay, these things are really shady, but not necessarily fully illegal?

I mean, I don't even know what the arguments are.

Certainly, the prostitution's illegal.

We know that.

Certainly, the drugs are illegal.

We know that.

But, you know, I guess that might be funny.

I don't know.

Money laundering of about $30 million so far.

I don't know.

George Washington law professor Jonathan Turley said that the House Democrat has tripped the wire on Joe Biden during the hearing yesterday.

He argued the exchange between Dan Goldman and one of the witnesses, the Internal Revenue Service whistleblower Gary Shapley, undermined the president's denial that he ever spoke to his son about the younger Biden's business dealings.

Goldman pointed to a moment in Shapley's prior testimony in which he quoted Hunter Biden business associate Rob Walker informing the FBI that Hunter Biden told his father at a lunch meeting with executives of the Chinese Energy Group, CEFC, I may be trying to start a company or try to do something with these guys.

Now, let me ask you something, Goldman said.

Does that sound much like Joe Biden was involved in whatever Hunter Biden was doing with the CEFC?

If Hunter Biden is telling him he's trying to do business with him, does it?

In response, Shapley said no, but it does show that he told his father that he was trying to do business when he was talking to his father about business another moment goldman threw his hands in the air and said okay well that is true hunter biden does try to do business that's correct on twitter turley said goldman just tripped the wire on joe biden uh in trying to grill the whistleblowers to show there was no evidence that joe biden was involved he elicited an answer that the witnessed established that joe biden did discuss business deals with hunter and the chinese Goldman was trying to show that the witness didn't mention a substantive role of Joe Biden.

Shapley immediately noted that it didn't mean that he came to discuss one of Hunter's deals.

The president continues to deny this fact.

Goldman prompted the sworn statement from the investigator that Biden did indeed discuss his son's business deals.

In doing so, Goldman may have delivered one of the most damaging moments in the hearing for the Bidens.

After Shapley made the point about Joe Biden talking to his son about business, Goldman went on to state the IRS agent had no direct evidence connecting Biden to Hunter Biden's business deals before moving on with his questioning.

Turley, in ending his Twitter thread, said if Goldman had continued his line of inquiry about Biden business deals a few more minutes, it would have sealed the case for the appointment of a special counsel.

This is Jonathan Turley, who I don't always agree with, but he always speaks his mind and doesn't seem to play sides.

He sides with the Constitution.

Sometimes it doesn't work out the way I would like it to work out, but to me, that's what gives Jonathan Turley any kind of credibility.

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You don't want to miss.

We're being fair, we're being gracious, we're giving people time to respond,

and then tomorrow we tell you.

All right, let me

let me

talk to you a little bit about Dark Future.

Just got the New York Times bestseller list.

The number one book on the New York Times this year or this week for the first week of Dark Future.

Take a guess.

We're number one, right?

Come on.

Of course.

Come on.

It's a big book.

Yeah, we.

Number one.

Yeah, no,

we're not number one.

But we're not number one because there was a big book out that is, you know, but beyond the story, 10-year record of BTS, which apparently is some Korean pop band.

Yeah, okay.

Yeah.

That's a big cultural buzzsaw you're running into on that one, right?

Yeah, yeah.

So you

understand that.

I mean, no, but you know, yes.

I would not surprise to see a book about BTS selling very well.

Right.

Even though I have no idea who BTS is, I know I'm not your standard American.

Outlive was number two,

and The Wager was number three.

Now, I want you to know, Dark Future sold more than double Outlive and three times as many books as The Wager.

But that's why we're not number one.

We're not number two.

We're not number three.

You know, look, on the New York Times list.

No, we're number 12.

We're number 12.

We're number 12.

Number 12.

Which is great.

So we got that going for us now.

Now, literally stop trying.

The New York Times list.

At one point, they would be like, okay, hey, there's two books that are very close.

We'll put the liberal one ahead of it.

That was their approach 10 years ago.

Now it's like, if you're conservative, we're putting putting you, it will not be within the double digits.

You have your own double digits range.

I don't think there's anybody that even comes close.

I mean, another conservative, are they all this bad?

I mean, I was number 15 when we were number one last time.

Now I'm number two behind K-pop and

we're number 12?

How is that even possible?

I don't even get it.

Have you considered talking more about K-pop?

I mean, have you considered maybe joining a band, getting into the movement movement a little bit?

You know, I mean, I think you'd be pretty impressive as the front man of a K-pop group.

Well, I'm thinking about it.

I am thinking about it.

I've never been to Korea.

Like Korean food.

Really like

Korean barbecue.

That is all me.

I could be, you know, instead of BTS, I could be BBQ.

Korean BBQ.

That would be the name of your band, wouldn't it?

It would be.

It would be.

Yeah.

So anyway, the other thing that has happened that you should know of, and I haven't really mentioned this because we wanted it to actually go on Amazon.

We've never seen anybody who has had a book and, you know, has the

business that we have in book sales and the, you know, almost 20-year relationship with Amazon where we submit the book

and the digital book and the audio book.

And for some reason, only the hardcover was for sale.

Don't know.

Don't know how that one happened, but it did.

And I was told not to say anything because they're like, just don't, just don't say anything.

Let's just hope they put it up.

So it is up now.

Congratulations.

Thank you, Amazon.

Wow.

It's been great.

It's been efficient

and good doing business with you.

I love a business that treats you like this and then takes 50% of everything.

I will say, someone

who reads a lot of digital books, and I know, of course, they'll probably be deleted from my record at any time, but it's kind of a kind of a bummer to have no available Kindle book or audio book for the first couple of weeks of sale.

Yeah.

It's not something

that we were

seeing that we were number two

and number 15,000 on digital.

We didn't even have a product on digital.

That's a little weird.

It's a a little weird.

But it's available now.

So if you only read things digitally, I urge you to get a copy of the hardbound, but it is out digitally today and the audiobook.

And I have to tell you, I have

stop me if I'm mistaken, Stu, but I don't think I have ever said this about any of the audiobooks that I do.

You know, the audiobooks are good.

This one,

I think if it wasn't,

if I were, you know, Al Gore, this one would win a Grammy

because it is a really, really funny, believe it or not, read.

I added a lot to the book.

This is not.

I probably shouldn't have.

Yeah, I don't think that's because I listen to some audiobooks too.

And I will say that the approach that you take for an audiobook is much different than every other audiobook that I've ever consumed.

In that, like, what they say at the end is, like, this has been an unabridged version of whatever book you just read.

And usually, what that means is they kind of just read all the words in the book.

Like,

that's how this is supposed to work.

That's not how you do this.

Yeah, I don't like that.

You read all the words of the book, but then you add like chapters and bonus things.

There may have been one, there may have been one place where I went, nah, that's not really right.

Let me say it this way.

You know,

there's a few, you know, because I act some of the book out.

And when it's a three-way conversation with Klaus Schwab, a German, a Russian, and a guy from Saudi Arabia, it gets a little dicey.

It gets a little dicey.

So

it's good.

You're going to love it.

You're really going to love it.

Make sure you grab the audio book of it.

Now you can download it and listen to it.

Now, I don't know how long you're going to, quote, own it.

You might want to burn it down to, you know, something, you know, some sort of a disc or something.

Did you hear what happened to one of your favorite shows, Stu,

Always Sunny in Philadelphia?

Yeah, I was reading about this.

You know, they, they, it's been a sort of controversial thing for people who like that show for a while, that they pulled three or four episodes

over the years.

And the main excuse for this was like blackface use.

You know, we went through that period where Democrats all came out, they had all apparently used blackface for years and years and years and years and years.

Yeah.

It became controversial again.

And they went after It's always Sunny in Philadelphia.

Now, of course, if you watch that show, they're not glorifying blackface or trying to make fun of black people with blackface.

They are making fun of terrible people who are either idiots or horribly racist themselves.

And they're trying to make fun of them.

It's not.

Stu.

Stu.

When George Soros and Hillary Clinton started their little organization to destroy people, they did not name it Context Matters or truth matters.

They named it media matters.

Okay?

So forget the context.

It has to go.

Yeah.

Then that's what

seemingly has happened.

I mean, there's at least reports of this happening where they've pulled multiple episodes of...

Now

I think it was three or four initially.

And now reportedly it's up to like 12 or something of that nature.

Yeah, like there's more and more.

Isn't that like a whole season?

Yeah.

I mean, the show is the longest-running live-action sitcom in television history, so they have a lot of episodes.

But still, it is incredible that you'd pull that many, right?

I mean, like, it is

and I will say, watching the show, because it's one of those shows you dip into, right?

Like, I don't need to watch every episode.

I need to watch them all in order, but every once in a while, when I've got 15 minutes or 20 minutes and I'm sitting around, I'll pop on an episode.

And there's a lot in there that's really offensive.

Like, I'm sort of shocked any of the episodes are up there.

I've never watched it.

And I've never watched it because it's described like that.

And that is my, I mean, that's, that's a drug to me.

That's, I, I would have been watching the entire season, like, trying to get it in before every show.

I'd be like, I'd get off the show.

And then

I'm just watching Sunny in Philadelphia.

And then I've, I, you know, the alarm goes off.

And I started the day before, right after the show.

And I'm like, holy cow, I got to do a show again?

Yeah.

I mean, I would just, I would mainline it.

It's very, very dark and very, and very, very funny,

but, you know, very offensive.

But that's the point of it, right?

Like, the point of the show, it's a show about people who are terrible and do terrible things to each other and treat people terribly.

And you're not supposed to look at them as heroes.

The point of it, it's like breaking bad.

It's like, you know, Walter White did a lot of offensive things in Breaking Bad, like murdering people, but we keep the shows on because we all understand.

We're not sitting here saying, oh, well, we're really praising Walter White.

Everyone should start killing people.

With things like race, for some reason, like we aren't adults at all, and we can't all understand what's going on here, which is, you know,

we're criticizing people for bad behavior.

You know, I don't know.

Can you even play Adolf Hitler anymore in a movie?

Like,

why is that allowed?

I wouldn't, but I mean, I suppose somebody could.

Well, a lot of people.

I mean, I don't think it would be the best for your career to don a little mustache.

I mean, look, some of the best, you could look back and find some of the great movies of history.

I mean, like, we talk about Valkyrie all the time.

And I love Valkyrie.

I don't know if a lot of people would classify it as the great moment in a movie of history, but I really like it.

It's a great movie.

Oh, yeah.

Someone's got to play Hitler in it.

I'm sorry.

Lots of bad stuff happens in that movie.

Should we pull the movie?

I mean, they were murdering people all over the place.

Why are we allowing that?

We should offer those roles to people like Louis C.K., who just can't get a job.

We've canceled them already.

Louis, take one for the team.

There you go.

I like that.

That's the way we could bring these Me Too people back.

Kevin Spacey can play all these roles.

Let him at least eat.

You know what I mean?

Or we could give him more.

Another thing we could do is we could give those roles to the dwarf actors that got kicked out of Snow White.

Because

this game Adolf, he's just like gonna be 3-8 for a movie, and we're all just accepted.

It would be hysterical.

It'd be hysterical

to have a little person playing Adolf Hitler.

Yeah, I'd like that.

That would be a great movie.

How have we not made this movie?

I'm working about World War II, and it's just all dwarfs.

We might.

I mean, we lost all their jobs.

The seven dwarfs, like it's supposed, they're supposed to get those roles.

No,

no, one did.

There is one

dwarf in the, they did get one.

They got one.

All right.

Don't forget, you can get the audio book and the digital book.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You can get it right now at wherever you buy your digital books or your audio books.

It's available.

It's called Dark Future and the audio book is really good.

Really good.

Better, really honestly, better than this crap I'm doing right now.

I'm just, I'm just, I'm just trying to be honest with, with you.

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So

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I can't seem to find it either.

It's weird.

I'm looking here.

I can't seem to even, let me see, G-L-E-N-N-B-E-C-K.

Dark

future.

Okay, so there it is.

There it is.

Dark future.

Uncovering the great resets.

Next phase, terrifying next phase, bestseller.

Okay, let me just click on that.

That says Kindle Edition.

Available instantly.

I got it.

I got it.

Hardcover.

But not the audiobook.

Yeah, I don't see that.

Why isn't the audiobook there?

I don't see the audiobook either.

It was there this morning.

I will say, this is just another Glenn Beck lie.

You know, typically, this is what you get when you come to this show.

You're going to get someone who comes on the air and tells you false things over and over and over again, just like the audiobook is available.

So good luck.

Good job, Glenn.

It was there.

It was there.

Oh, it was there.

Oh, yeah.

And Hunter didn't know he was paying those women for sex.

Was that really cocaine?

He thought it was sugar.

I mean, we all know your patterns here, Glenn.

That is really so frustrating.

What, what the hell?

Well, it's only two weeks since release.

When do you?

Yeah, I mean, don't worry.

It's not impacting sales at all.

Okay, so you can buy the Kindle.

That's available.

Kindle is up.

I just got that.

Where is,

I'm just getting something from my

CEO of my company.

What the hell is happening with the audiobook?

I got three little dots.

Three little dots.

He's answering now.

Okay.

Well, we need to.

Three little dots.

I'm sure it's

on the way, you know?

I'm sure it's right.

I'm sure it is.

I'm sure it is.

There's nothing nefarious going on or anything like that.

I mean, we're not a trusted source.

We haven't sold millions and millions of books and audiobooks through Amazon.

Right?

I mean, they got to button it up, make sure that we're a trusted source.

So we got that going for us.

Anyway,

you'll be able to get it there soon.

Otherwise, I'm just going to dump it online.

How's that?

How's that?

Well, you won't make any money.

Yeah, well, it's better than not making any money and not having anybody hear it.

See, this is the problem.

So he just writes, yeah, no audio book for me either.

I'm sorry, it doesn't have the media.

I swear to you, it was there this morning because I downloaded it this morning, or I tried to.

Let me see if it even.

I was in the middle of the show.

And I said, let me get some clips of it.

And I went and I thought I hit download, but it doesn't show that I actually did download it.

Well, thanks.

Amazon.

It's great.

No, you can get the Kindle book, and one of these days, kids, you'll be able to listen to it digitally.

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It's a very difficult thing, but the little people at Amazon, and I don't mean to imply they're all dwarves, the little people at Amazon are working tirelessly to figure out how they can bring my voice to your phone or computer.

Maybe they'll have it done today.

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There is a ton going on.

We can't seem to get any traction

in the press on Hunter Biden and Joe Biden.

They testified yesterday that $7.5

million just from Burisma alone went to Hunter Biden and his family members and his shell corporations.

Nobody seems to care about any of this, and yet Donald Trump is

possibly going to jail.

Is that even true?

Possibly being indicted again and going to jail.

Meanwhile, over election fraud, no.

Biden charging election fraud.

That gets some attention.

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Mr.

Alan Dershowitz, welcome to the program.

I don't even know where to begin,

but since you wrote the book, Get Trump, let's start with them getting Trump.

What is happening?

Well, before we get to Get Trump, I want to just say one word of commendation about the President of Israel, Isaac Herzog, who made one of the most brilliant speeches in front of a joint session of Congress yesterday with bigoted, racist

anti-Semites like Bernie Sanders, a Jewish anti-Semite, walking out of his speech, AOC walking out of his speech,

five or six Democrats who would come to hear Castro, who would come to hear Pol Pot, who would come to hear

any dictator on the left refuse to listen to the great president of Israel.

I commended him as soon as this meeting was over.

He wrote me a lovely note back.

So I just want your audience to know that

not all members of Congress are decent people.

These folks that wouldn't listen to our closest ally

and who don't believe in the right of the nation-state of Israel to exist as a Jewish state are a shame and a scandal to America.

And Herzog, who went to high school in America and whose father was the president of Israel, whose grandfather was the chief rabbi of Israel, is really just a great person.

I hope people watch his speech.

You can get it on YouTube.

And now to Donald Trump.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Before you go there, Alan, before we go there, I would like to have you back on

at another time because I'm so packed up today, but I'd like to have you on another time to explain what the heck is happening with the Supreme Court over there.

I don't think most people even understand and they don't know

what the good guy and bad guy is.

Well, there are no good guys and bad guys.

There's just a dispute that's going on that's reasonable, very similar to the dispute in the United States when Democrats want to pack the court.

I'm a real expert on that, and I've been advising the President of Israel, the Prime Minister of Israel, and others on this issue.

So I would be thrilled to come back and explain to the American public exactly what's at stake.

Okay.

Good.

Okay.

So let's talk about get Trump and what is happening.

Is there a chance he goes to jail on this?

Yeah, sure.

There's a chance he gets sentenced to prison.

It would be for the law, it would be in a long time.

I mean, the worst case scenario for Trump is he gets tried just before the election.

If he's tried in the District of Columbia, the reason we were so anxious to get him in the District of Columbia, he has a jury pool that voted against him 91%.

and many judges who have already expressed views very strong against Trump.

So if he gets to be prosecuted in the District of Columbia, even if he's totally innocent, juries in the District of Columbia will indict a ham sandwich, will convict a ham sandwich if

his name is Trump.

So there is a chance he could get convicted, although the case against him, I haven't seen the indictment, but based on press reports, seems extremely stressed and stretched and weak, as does the case in New York.

The Florida case is the only one that has some legs, but that would be a minor, it would be a paper case.

Well, he mishandled some documents.

So I don't think he's going to prison on Florida or New York, but he could be sentenced to prison in Washington, D.C.

And then the question is, does he win the election?

If he wins the election, he can't I think the law would be clear.

He has to serve his term

as president, and then you can have all kinds of debates about whether he should go to prison or not.

But if he loses the election and loses the trial, it's certainly possible he could end up in prison for a couple of years.

That's within the realm of possibility.

Let me tell you a little bit harder.

He cannot get the right lawyers to defend them.

Why?

Because there's a fascist organization called

65 Project, a group of radical left lawyers who have pledged to go after the bar licenses of any lawyer who defends Trump.

They're going after me.

I defended Trump, and I defended the correct approach to election machines and vote counting.

And they filed a bar complaint against me.

And when you file a bar complaint against me, a law professor of 50 years who never did anything wrong, the message it sends to other lawyers is don't go near Donald Trump.

Don't defend him.

And I got a call yesterday from a lawyer who's trying to put together a team for Donald Trump to defend him in D.C.

Nobody, no good lawyer, really great lawyers prepared to take the risk of getting disbarred.

This is a fascist approach to

McCarthyism and the lack of due process and adequate representation.

So, how do we stop that, Alan?

Because I know that I've had a great set of attorneys that I'd

worked with for years that dropped me as a client because I was too controversial.

And I'm like,

you're my freedom of speech lawyers.

What are you talking about?

And how do you get a great lawyer?

What do we do to, is there any legal way to

stop these people?

It's expensive.

You know, they have a tremendous amount of money behind them, whether it's George Soros' money, I don't know.

But they have unlimited resources.

And people who are fighting for the Sixth Amendment to the Constitution, the right to counsel, the First Amendment free speech, aren't funding it.

We should be organizing an organization, bipartisan, nonpartisan, an organization of people who love the Constitution to go after the 65 project and go after these lawyers who are trying to prevent Donald Trump and others

from getting lawyers.

Look, I won't be cowed.

I'm too old for that.

I'm going to be 85 in a month.

I'm not going to be cowed by a bunch of radical left-wing lawyers.

But a 45-year-old lawyer with a family to support is not going to take on Donald Trump's case if he knows he might lose his bar license.

So we have to fight back.

And you can start organizing that campaign to fight back.

We need people who love the Constitution, whether they're right, left, or center, to fight back against this McCarthyite unconstitutional attack on lawyers who want to defend controversial defenders.

Look, I didn't vote for Donald Trump.

I defended him because his impeachment was unconstitutional.

And I think today some of the charges against him are are unconstitutional.

I don't care whether he's a Democrat or Republican.

I only care about the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

So, Ellen, you tell me, you find a group or you put a group together and I'll help finance.

I mean, I think a lot of people in the audience will do the same thing.

And you're right, it shouldn't be partisan, but it might end up being because it seems there's too many people that are too afraid, even of their own side, to actually get involved.

And it's shameful, just shameful.

There's no doubt about that.

What people on Martha's Vineyard, for example, did to my wife and my family when I defended Trump.

These are people who I've helped for years.

I've been living on the Vineyard for 53 years.

And once I defended Trump,

I was denied the right to speak in the library.

I was denied the right to speak in the community center, in the book fair.

My wife was attacked.

The restaurant we go to was told, if you dare to serve the Dershowitz's, we'll never come there again.

I mean, it's pure McCarthyism, McCarthyism.

There's a new movie out called Oppenheimer.

I haven't seen it, but I read the book.

And it's about what happened in the 1960s and 50s when I was a college student.

We don't want to ever see a recurrence of that.

We want to see the Constitution alive and well and thriving, whether you're right, left, or center.

So can you talk to us a little bit about what's happening with the Hunter Biden case yesterday?

This is phenomenal that we have two really credible, one a Democrat, whistleblowers very high up in the IRS

talking about how they were obstructed on this, and that even the

Secret Service alerted Hunter Biden before and made sure that he wasn't available.

And then, on top of that, that the transition team was briefed by the DOJ.

That's

It's a terrible attack on our legal system.

Look, Hunter Biden was lucky.

He got a very, very good lawyer.

Abby Lowell is a great lawyer.

And he defended him and got him a good deal.

I don't know if the judge is going to allow the deal to go through in light of all this.

There has to be a special counsel appointed.

Why?

Because we now know that the U.S.

Attorney in Delaware, who was essentially appointed by Democrats, although he nominally was appointed by Trump,

the recommendation came from the two Democratic senators.

That is not what matters.

What matters is he was told he had complete jurisdiction to follow the money and follow the crimes to the District of Columbia and to California.

And when he tried to do it, according to reports, he was stymied.

So we have to have a special prosecutor who has universal jurisdiction, can follow the money to Ukraine, can follow the money to China.

No restrictions on his jurisdiction.

And see what the truth is.

Remember, a whistleblower, I'm so proud of whistleblowers that come forward, and there ought to be more, but being a whistleblower doesn't guarantee that you have complete credibility.

So we have to check everything that was said yesterday.

But if it turns out to be true, there's more than probable cause to appoint a special prosecutor to look in depth into this case rather than the current situation.

Can we trust a special counsel at this time?

I mean, how many have we had?

And

I mean, they just go on and on and on.

Well, some have done good jobs.

You know, the Whitewater Council against Clinton and

then Starr, they were very aggressive and they pursued it to impeachment, which failed, but impeachment.

The right person, it's all about the right person.

Archibald Cox was the right person.

I could give you a list of 10 people, former judges,

people who are Republicans.

Give you two examples off the top of my head.

Mike Mukese, the former Attorney General of the United States under Bush, he would be a perfect special counsel.

Louis Free, the former head of the FBI,

again, a Republican, but a moderate, a former judge, both of them, former judges.

They would be extraordinary.

These people have great reputations, and they'll never allow their reputations to be sullied.

And they will never take orders from Garland.

They would never take orders from Bush.

They would never take orders from anybody.

They would do their job, and they could do it well.

And they're at the end of their careers.

They don't have to worry about whether or not they're going to get another job later.

We could see real justice done if people like that were appointed to get to the bottom of this.

I don't know whether it's true or not, but if it's true, it is devastating.

And who appoints that special counsel?

What are we waiting for?

Well, the appointment comes from Garland, but it has to come with a lot of political pressure from the House of Representatives,

from

other people, from the public,

and

he should make an appointment, and he should appoint somebody who is beyond reproach, somebody who everybody, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times, CNN and Fox and Emmis, NBC and

Newsmax, all agree this is the guy, this is the woman, this is the person who can get to the bottom of this.

Without that,

America's faith in the legal system is diminishing.

So I have to tell you, I'm listening to this podcast, I'm driving in my car, and I'm thinking, well, okay, well, that's not going to happen.

I mean, I think people, they say they don't care anymore.

It's not that they don't care.

It's that they don't think anything is going to happen.

If we are reliant on a guy who, quite honestly, Merrick Garland, who I think should,

it should at least be considered that he faces an impeachment,

if you expect him to

appoint somebody that the world is going to trust,

we're living in fantasy land.

Well, that may be the case.

What's the alternative?

Look, Merrick Garland could have been on the Supreme Court.

It ends up he may not be the right man for the job he has now,

but

he's a man.

He can't be impeached, by the way, because he hasn't committed any crimes.

To be impeached, it has to be treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors.

Just having maladministration or malpractice, the framers of the Constitution rejected that.

So I don't agree with that.

But lying, lying to Congress?

Well, that would be an impeachable offense, obviously, if it were perjury.

Okay.

My understanding is that the allegations that he lied were mostly in media discussions.

But you have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that he actually knowingly lied, not that he made a mistake.

But put that aside, if the public pressure is enough, look, there's another alternative, and that is voting for third-party candidates.

We're now seeing this new group emerging

called No Labels with

Joe Lieberman and Manchin and others who are thinking about saying to the American public, look, you don't have to choose between Biden and Trump.

Here's the third alternative of moderate, middle-centerist people who can give you a third alternative.

Having that a strong option puts a tremendous amount of pressure on the Attorney General, on the president to do the right thing.

Maybe it won't succeed.

Your guy driving the car has a point.

You know, it's unlikely.

Any of these things are unlikely to happen.

Alan Dershowitz, the author of Get Trump and

the host of the podcast, The Dirse Show.

Thank you, Alan.

We'll talk again.

My pleasure.

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All right, so Stu, did we decide whether or not the

digital version of Dark Future is finally up or not.

My understanding is the audiobook is not the Kindle is.

That's where I believe

the state of affairs is at this time.

We like to just roll things out smoothly here at the Glenn Beck program.

It is still being checked, the audiobook, I guess, by Amazon because

we're not a trusted source that have sold millions of books and audiobooks through Amazon.

You know, anything could happen.

All of a sudden, this one could be a a little spotty or sketchy, you know, technologically speaking.

So they've only had it for a few weeks.

What do you expect them to do?

Really?

The audiobook will be coming out very soon on Amazon, or I'm going to find another way to release the audiobook.

And don't think I haven't contacted my CEO and asked him to start working on that right now.

The audiobook is available, by the way, New York Times.

we were legitimately number two behind a K-pop

book, something.

Sold a bazillion books to kids, I guess.

So we were number two,

but the New York Times put us at number 12 this time.

So congratulations on that.

I wear it as a badge of honor, really.

The name of the book is Dark Future.

You can grab a hardbound or the Kindle is available today.

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We're glad you're here.

Let me go to Carol Roth.

Hello, Carol.

How are you?

Hey, good morning, Glenn.

How are you?

Very good.

Is your audiobook available yet?

Yes.

in fact, I get people on Twitter looking at my audio book and saying, Glenn, where is your audiobook?

I don't know.

You would have to ask Amazon that question.

We couldn't get our audiobook up for some reason.

It's strange, isn't it?

Well, you know,

it's not strange because they actually wouldn't release the people who did the early reviews for my book either.

Really?

Yes.

So,

Yeah, it's a big head scratcher there.

Yeah, I know that we have violated all kinds of rules by even having the great reset on the cover of the book.

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You can do that at,

you can find it at GlensnewBook.com.

Also, Carol Roth just put her new book out, and it's You'll Own Nothing.

And I wanted to have her on today.

By the way, it's a great companion book.

These two go together really, really well.

I wanted to talk to you and pick it up where we were the other day, and that is Renting the American Dream, and talking about how

the American dream is not a house, but that's how we describe it.

And we describe it as such is because that is the one thing that grows wealth.

You know, you always hear, my mom and dad bought this house for, you know, 1965 for $5,000, and now it's worth a million.

It is something that allows you to grow wealth.

And if you can't grow your wealth in something like that,

then

you lose the American dream, which is to be able to chart your own course, especially if you are renting and you're not renting from a neighbor, you're renting from a corporate entity.

This is just disgusting what is happening.

Can you explain a little bit more?

Yeah, so this is really something that the corporations coming in and competing with individuals for single-family homes, which as you mentioned, is the largest driver of wealth on household balance sheets across the U.S.

This is something that didn't happen before 2010.

So after all of the ridiculous policies that came out of the Great Recession financial crisis that bailed out Wall Street and cost almost 6 million Americans their homes via foreclosure or short sale.

They did not get the bailout.

There was all of this supply in the markets of really cheap homes.

At the same time, the Fed decided they were going to give a gift to Wall Street, and that was going to be abundant cheap capital through their policy of artificially

suppressing interest rates and printing a lot of money.

And it was to the point that what we call

was almost free money, that they had had negative real interest rates, that basically the interest rates that they had on the loan were actually lower than inflation was at that point in time.

So when Wall Street had access to all of this money, it started to invest in various assets and inflate those.

For some reason, that never counts as real inflation because it benefits the wealthy and the well-connected when those asset prices go up.

And then they ran out of places on a sort of a risk-reward basis that they felt they could put the capital.

So in 2010, you started getting corporations competing with individuals to buy homes.

It did not meaningfully exist prior to then, to the point that we now have more than one in every five homes as of the end of last year that was purchased by a corporation.

And these corporations are not looking to make them better and get them back to you so you can have that wealth creation opportunity.

They are looking to rent you the American dream.

They want to take that wealth that you would have created for your family, for your legacy, and they want to transfer that to Wall Street.

And so one of the things I did in the book, Glenn, I like to let everybody speak for themselves.

So I went to their financial statements

and their financial filings, the 10Ks, the annual reports, and I just reprinted what they said.

And they said they are specifically targeting the middle class because those are the ones who have the jobs, who can go out and earn money and basically give that wealth over to Wall Street, and that this is a golden opportunity for this new asset class.

And so really, the implications of you owning nothing in terms of not being able to own a house, which, by the way, is is also influenced not just by this policy, but by additional government regulations at the federal, state, and local level.

The disruption of labor in the labor market means that

you're not able to generate this wealth.

It also has social credit implications.

As we talk about

on this program, I talk about in You Own Nothing, you reference in Dark Future.

Think about if you don't own your home and now you have to rent that from one of these corporations, which by the way happens to be backed by all of the big financial companies that are pushing things like ESG and whatnot,

what happens if you say something that they don't like on social media?

Do you then lose access to your home just like you've lost access perhaps to the Twitter platform or to some other social media platform or to one of these online payment systems?

It really puts much more at risk for your future.

And that's happening already.

I mean, you try to get my kids into certain schools.

Just because you're white, try to get your kid in a certain school.

We're already doing this.

We're just not doing it

systemically throughout

organized throughout all of society, but that is coming.

They're also, the IRS is also going after your inheritance, and this is really so nefarious.

I have spent my life making money and the money that I want to keep to pass on to my kids, I'm doing it through my ranch.

And we have been building and taking care of this property and really,

I mean, we really, really look at this land as sacred.

And my kids, I have to put enough money away so my kids will be able to pay the taxes on the land, et cetera, et cetera.

Because you don't honestly ever own anything.

They can take it from you at any time.

But when I die, if I haven't

done the, you know, the legal loopholes with all the attorneys and

only the rich can really do things like this, my kids will lose, they will have to sell the ranch for the taxes.

And that's obscene.

And what happens is when they take it for the taxes, the government takes all of the money for the taxes, and then they sell the farm to probably some corporate entity to get it out of the hands again of the average person.

This is stripping the American dream and just putting it into the water like chum.

It's true.

And there's another thing that I talk about.

I have a chapter on the upcoming wealth heist that relates to this.

So you talk about your farm as being something that you want to, your ranch is something you want to be passing down.

There is an estimated $84.4 trillion in wealth that is set to turn over via inheritances in the next 23 years.

It's a staggering amount of money.

And that's not from billionaires.

That is from

mostly from middle-class Americans that have worked hard and put away something.

And so what are we hearing out there?

We're hearing things like, oh, Janet Yellen, she wants to go after unrealized capital gains, which are these weasel words that basically say, we're going to tell you what your stuff is worth on paper.

You haven't realized the income from it, but we're going to tax you on that.

So think about the implications.

Your parents bought a house in 1970, and then all of a sudden, one day they wake up and someone looks on Zillow and decides that it's worth $2 million,

and now your parents owe taxes on $1.9 million.

I mean, where are they getting that?

That's crazy.

They're not.

Of course they're not going to do that.

So what are they trying to do here?

They're trying to trick people and say, no, we just want this for the billionaires and the ultra wealthy because it's not fair.

But that's not the bulk of that $84.4 trillion that's set to pass down.

So they're trying to get wealth taxes and they're trying to get inheritance taxes increased with the carrot that they're going after the ultra wealthy so that you cede the principle.

They want you to say there are no property rights, and this is okay to do.

And the second you do that, that means that it's not just for the billionaires, it's for you.

And there's so much wealth that, by the way, we've got $32 trillion plus and growing and national debt.

We also have more than $129 trillion in unfunded liabilities and promises that, of course, they're not going to walk back.

So, wouldn't that $84.4 trillion of your wealth go a long way to helping them maintain their power and control?

So, one of the things I did in the book is: I got an estate planning attorney, and chapter 11, we have all of these ways that you can fight back.

And one of the things he says is you have to go to an estate planner, and you have to do like you did, Glenn, and get a trust put in place.

It sounds like it's just for the wealthy, but you can do it even if you're the average American right on Main Street.

We can't guarantee that there will be a grandfathering, but the reality is we know that the wealthiest people are going to be protected.

So you need to start doing the things that they're doing to make sure that when they come in and they change the rules, you're protected.

Yes, exactly right.

And it's, you know, it's not cheap to put a trust together, but it is also not, it's not something just for the wealthy.

And

I'm telling you,

they're going to come for all that you have, every way they have and uh you're exactly right you've got to start doing what the wealthy are doing and thank you for doing all the work i i want to have you back maybe next week and talk about something else you talk about in the book which is uh the water rights that are being bought up by the elites including places like harvard uh buying up all kinds of water rights we'll talk about that next week the name of the book is you will own nothing it is a great book by carol roth She's a former investment banker that is, you know, she sobered up and she started caring about, you know, Main Street.

And

she wrote the book, You Will Own Nothing, which is a great companion book to Dark Future.

Carol Roth, thank you so much.

Thanks for joining the counterrevolution movement, Glenn.

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I'm just sitting here looking outside of my broadcast studio.

I have to tweet a picture of this.

And some of the best artists in

the world

are here.

We've got a couple of people from India.

We have people from all over the country.

It's kind of like a little taos that's happening here.

And every year I host these artists that come out and they paint and share stories and learn from each other and learn to tell stories.

It's more of a symposium than a workshop, really.

These guys are just some of the best.

And they learn how to tell stories.

And today I'm supposed to speak to them, and I'm like, I don't really have anything to say to these guys.

I mean,

it's Josh Clare and

Jeremy Lipking and Adrian Stein and just some unbelievable artists.

But it is an honor to have them here and host them here at the Standing Rock Ranch.

Even though it's...

Yesterday I put an Instagram out, and I don't know what kind of floodwaters

opened,

but I was so frustrated.

My wife and I were on our way back to the ranch and we've been working on this ranch for I don't know how long and living in the dust.

And

our landscaper just flaked.

I don't even understand this.

I don't understand how people are just like, yeah, I don't need to work.

Or, yeah, I work, but I don't want to work too hard.

It is honestly like a roulette.

You just spin the the wheel and see which contractor shows up, which one's going to do the work, which one's not.

And if somebody, God forbid, forgets something, there'd be eight people on the crew.

Oh, you know what?

I forgot my hammer.

I got to go and get it.

And then all the other people just seem to like, well, we can't work without Bill.

I mean, we'll just stand here and wait for Bill to come back.

It is crazy.

We really are at that point where you get like, all you need to do is show up, and you're better than 94% of your competition.

Oh, my gosh.

Oh my gosh.

I mean, I have all this landscaping to do and I live out in the middle of nowhere.

So there's like, there's, I don't know, there's one person that we found that can do it.

And they're like,

yeah,

I'm not going to answer my phone for like two months.

Uh-oh, okay.

And the guy who's in charge of the whole build, he said,

well, it looks like we're going to have to wait until next summer to landscape.

And I'm like, no, no.

I'll dig it out with my hands if I have to.

But I don't know what to do.

I mean, you're pretty skilled.

Why don't you just paint some flowers?

What do you need done?

I'm down to that.

If it wouldn't turn to dust, I would.

I am so willing.

I tell you, my wife, this is a few months ago, we had these flower pots outside, and I just came back and there's beautiful flowers in there.

I'm like, wow, those are great.

I mean, how much do we have to pay for that?

What did that cost?

She's like, oh, no, they're just from Amazon.

They're just plastic.

I went out there.

They're just plastic.

They just look like really good flowers.

Like, we are getting to the point where, screw these living things.

Give me the plastic.

You never have to do anything.

They just live forever, sort of, in a way.

You are giving me some ideas.

And

you're also giving Hunter Biden some ideas.

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Did you know the first senator to endorse Jimmy Carter?

I mean, come on, this is just too good to be true.

Biden.

Joe Biden was the first senator to endorse Jimmy Carter's presidential run.

And Carter described Biden as his most effective supporter.

Well, at least he was effective at one point in his life.

We have the author of a new book that is out, How Joe Biden is Worse Than Jimmy Carter Ever Was.

The Biden Malaise.

You want to listen to this with Kimberly Strassel.

She is on with us in 60 seconds.

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Glenn, it is great to be here.

It's great to have you on.

Thank you.

You wrote the book on the Biden malaise,

and you have a happy ending to it, but your contention is Joe Biden is worse than Jimmy Carter ever was.

I think at this point, that's pretty obvious to even maybe Democrats.

Do you agree with that?

Well, I don't, I mean, they won't admit it, obviously.

No, yeah.

It should be obviously, it should be obvious to everyone, especially looking at his dismal poll numbers and the state of the economy.

And by the way, there were Democrats that warned him not to take the steps he took.

So they understood what would come from it, the inflation, the high gas prices, and he did it anyway

um is anybody do you would you say that's different this time around it seems like every all the democrats are on board with everything he's doing

oh yeah i mean look the reason this has all happened is because joe biden is not a leader and he's not willing to stand up to the crazies in his party if you look back over his long history he's always just been a vessel wherever the party power was at the moment that's what he reflected and if he'd have stood up, if he'd have actually taken the advice of sane economists, etc.,

we wouldn't be in the situation we are right now.

But he was never going to push back.

That's another big difference between him and Jimmy Carter.

Jimmy Carter had a very rollicking, sprawling party, and a lot of them didn't like him because he actually got in fights with them.

Right.

So,

Carter, I never,

I mean, I never had the feeling that he was intentionally trying to dismantle America.

I just thought he was a mess.

Can you compare their philosophies?

I mean, Biden is surrounded by all kinds of

anti-American or anti-capitalist

kind of

people.

Was it the same with Carter?

You just put your finger on the word that matters here and what really separates these two presidents, Glenn, and that is intent.

You know, if you go back and you look at Jimmy Carter, first of all, he was dealt a far harder hand than Biden was.

I mean, we were already in the middle of global inflation.

There had already been an oil shock.

We were in the middle of a very aggressive Cold War.

And to the extent that he desperately mismanaged all of this, he was at least trying to make things better, right?

He was trying to actually help unemployment.

That was the reason he took a lot of the steps he did.

It didn't work.

He had the wrong advice.

He was still enthralled to Keynesian economics,

but he had the best interests of the country at heart.

You know, Joe Biden took what should have been an amazing economy, just turning the corner from COVID,

an amazing energy sector, which we had just become a net exporter of oil,

and in a fervor to turn us into European-style socialism, used COVID as an excuse to spend $6 trillion

to attack fossil fuels in a climate agenda agenda and manage to spiral up inflation to massively increase the size of government and to make it impossible for people to fill their cars up with gas or to pay their heating bills.

And so its intent, his goal is to transform the country.

And we all know that the methods that he's chosen lead to rack and ruin, but he doesn't care.

So

let me switch to what you talk about towards the end of your book, and that is Reagan.

Reagan comes around, and he's not liked by the Republicans.

He's an outsider,

but he is cheerful, and he reminds people who we really are.

Do you see that candidate out there?

Not yet, and that makes me very sad because I truly believe that we could potentially have another moment like the end of the Carter administration in which a country has seen up close and personal again what it's like to have failing economic policies.

And one consequence of that in Carter's years was it was this incredible opening.

And Ronald Reagan, with his ideas, which were very different, as you know, from Rockefeller Republicans, and with his very cheery message,

was able to not just change an election, but change electoral politics in this country for a generation.

You know, the whole Reagan Democrat movement, which, by the way, those people are now the Republican base.

But I look out at the field now.

I think what we have is a lot of people who are all trying to show they've got fight, right, to show that they can throw a punch just as much as Donald Trump can.

But we're not hearing as much about their vision.

And we certainly aren't seeing enough people smile, for God's sake.

Like, just smile and have an optimistic vision for the future.

Right.

And everyone's just instead.

Yeah.

Isn't it really hard to have an optimistic future when you know how deep, unlike Carter, you know, the Republican or the Democratic Party back then didn't seem to hate and be against the country.

You have almost every institution corrupted and falling further and further away from defending our Constitution and our way of life.

I mean, it's kind of hard to have an optimistic attitude because

it's the biggest fight, perhaps, perhaps of our entire country's history don't you think

oh i agree with you it's very difficult i think it was also uh very hard back for in the time that reagan was running not necessarily i i agree with you the democratic party was a different beast but the depths of the kind of uh

the tearing apart the the country was very divided back then it had been through a lot of traumas vietnam watergate i mean people were so demoralized so it was very hard to do it then, too.

I think what has to be done is someone's got to remind, this doesn't mean you can be optimistic and still call out those failings, right?

Because

what you got to do is you have to remind people in, again, in a way that shows leadership,

just how off the rails that party has gone

and show that you can actually accomplish stuff and have a vision and have an optimistic without resorting to their tactics.

And I think a lot of people would gravitate to that.

So I agree with you 100%.

Your book is kind of more of a guide than anything else to show us

what we really need to do.

And

it's the greatest opportunity right now to reset America and put her principles, you know,

I have to say, have we tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?

We need to restore its original principles, its factory settings.

But there doesn't seem to be,

except for the people, it doesn't seem to be anybody really willing, as far as parties go, the Democrats are way off the rails.

The Republicans are kind of like they were under Reagan, where I'm not sure that they're all that helpful to somebody who believes in the Constitution.

I agree with you.

And especially here's the positive thing, Glenn.

I truly believe that while the parties and the party leadership are at each other's throat, I think most Americans fundamentally agree with those constitutional principles that you just outlined, or at least are open to hearing about how we need to return to that.

One of the problems I see in the Republican field at the moment is that there's very much a kind of you versus us mentality,

even among the candidates, basically saying, you know,

if you think this, then you are, you know, morally reprehensible.

Correct.

And that and taking it to extreme levels, not seeming to understand that a lot of Americans do have very nuanced views on abortion or other cultural issues.

You know, that's why they're hot buttons.

One of the great things about Reagan is he didn't do a you versus us thing.

He spoke to everyone as Americans and said he'd lead everyone as Americans.

And that's what convinced people to switch parties and come in.

Well, he did take a you versus us in one way.

It was us against the government.

He said government was the problem.

I'm going to get them out of your hair.

And that's the same kind of message that would win today.

Absolutely.

You know, I know that the party is having a long, involved debate about how it needs to transform itself.

But, you know, sometimes like if

you got a wheel and it turns and it's not broken, like there is a formula for government.

People don't like government.

And you just hit on something.

We need to have a leader that figures out the things that unite us.

And guess what?

Most people don't like government.

I mean, even people who, you know, are sat by while it got bigger, their interaction with it isn't that great.

You know, everyone understands that it's all one big version of the DMV.

So

some themes like that, those things that unite us,

I think, the way to go.

I'm still waiting to see it, though.

We're talking to Kimberly Strossel.

She is the author of The Biden Malaise.

It just came out this week.

She's also a

Wall Street Journal columnist and an editorial board member and a good friend of the program.

We are going to take a quick break.

And I want to come back, and if you're willing to, I'd like to talk to you about the individual candidates and what you see,

how's that shaping up and the strengths and weaknesses of all of the Republican candidates in line with what you're talking about.

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So, Kimberly Strossel is with us.

She is the author of The Biden Malaise, How Joe Biden is Far Worse Than Jimmy Carter Ever Was, and The Need for a New Reagan.

So, first of all, I guess tell me what you think we should be looking for in these candidates, and then let's go through some of the candidates.

Sure.

And by the way, I wish I'd had you do this subtitle on my book, Glenn, because it's much better than the one that's actually there.

I'm sorry.

What is the actual subtitle?

I'm sorry.

No, no, no, no, I know.

No, no, yours is better.

That's what I'm saying.

Let's not even say the other one.

It's a mouthful.

Yours is much more correct.

So let's go.

Who do you want to go first?

What are we looking for?

Well, I think the, yeah, tell us what we're looking for, and then let's go through the candidates.

Well, I think what I'm looking for, what I think the nation would benefit for, is some of that old-fashioned Reagan philosophy, which is limited government,

right, fiscal responsibility,

and strong national defense on the ground.

I know there's a debate about this in the GOP at the moment, but my view is that when America's standing strong, there's less likelihood of conflict, and that actually allows us to dedicate more of our time and resources to our own problems here at home.

I think that was very clear with Donald Trump.

I mean, you know, I don't think Putin would have gone into Ukraine with Donald Trump there.

If you have somebody who is strong, the military is strong, and honestly, I've always said somebody with a twitchy eye, where you're like,

you know,

I think he just might do that.

As long as

the enemy of the United States is feeling that way, we're pretty safe.

We're pretty safe.

I couldn't agree with you more.

Yep.

Okay.

So when you look at the candidates, I mean, there's a

lot to go, but Donald Trump is the one that it's really at his point his to lose, I think.

What are your thoughts on Donald Trump?

So I agree with you that it's his to lose.

Although, you know, it's really interesting.

I live in kind of a town that's really was Trump country.

It's a very conservative area.

Kind of place where you would see like the double Trump flags on the back of the pickup Trump waiting, you know.

Right.

I've been really surprised by how many people who voted for him twice have said that they would like to get a look at other people and that they're not sure this time.

And I think you see that reflected a little bit in the polls, too, in that, you know, he's got a solid number of most like 35, 40 percent.

That's a little bit more than he had back in the 2016 primaries.

I think what's going for him, though, is this crowded field, just as it was back in 2016.

And, you know, there's clearly more voters who haven't yet decided on him yet, but they're all splitting the field.

Um, you know, my one concern with Trump in terms of what we've been talking about is I don't think A, that he is a natural communicator of a philosophy, it's not his deal.

He likes the politics, right?

Much more than he likes the policy idea of this, right?

Um, and he's certainly not your sunny guy, you know,

right?

It's funny because in some reasons, but yeah, he's not.

Yeah.

I think he used to be at times a sunny guy before he got into politics.

But

yeah, not necessarily now and probably good reason.

Ron DeSantis.

So Ron DeSantis, in my mind,

he's got the ability to do all this, but I think his problem, and we're seeing it from the reset, of course, his campaign says it's not a reset, which confirms that it is a reset.

He,

you know,

I think what's happening there, and I've kind of heard this, he felt a lot more comfortable in Florida, knew what he was doing, felt comfortable making his own decisions.

This campaign looks to have been very poll-driven so far.

And I keep wanting to say, like, let Ron DeSantis be Ron DeSantis.

Because if you look at that amazing reelection he won in Florida, I mean, sure, there were probably a number of base voters who liked what he did with Disney and liked what he did with the schools and transgender stuff.

But a lot of people just loved that he was competent when they had that storm, that the gas got delivered, that the prices got lowered, yet that government got smaller, that you just had a leader who knew how to get stuff done.

And I really wish we heard more of that from him.

The other one I'd be interested in hearing hearing about is Vivek Ramaswamy.

I think he is so fascinating.

I think he's got a few really out there ideas,

but on the upside, it's because he has ideas.

I mean, that guy is so sharp.

He is a font of policies.

When he's not sure what he's talking about, he goes and gets educated on it.

He's obviously got an enormous amount of energy.

And I think that he's actually getting a real look.

I mean, people kind of just immediately wrote him off when he got into this.

But that guy is out there and he is working like a dog.

And I think he's making some gains.

I think so, too.

I think he could be a vice presidential nominee, if not

presidential nominee in the end.

If he keeps going the way he's going, he is a very different and sunny kind of guy.

He has the Reagan

son to him,

which is is really important.

Yeah, that's the other thing is he does have a vision.

And, you know, if you listen to him, he talks a lot about what it means to be American and how we need to be proud to be American.

He talks a lot about those values you mentioned, Glenn.

And that's a little bit of what Reagan did.

Obviously, he's a very different person,

but he's closer to that than I think a lot of the other candidates.

I agree.

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Looking at your Twitter here, Glenn, you just tweeted a photo outside your broadcast studio.

And you say, outside of my broadcast studio are some of today's best artists.

Now, which one of them is Hunter Biden?

I know he's really the top.

He's not here.

No?

He's not here.

No, but look at the name.

I don't know if you know anything.

I don't know anything.

No, I don't know anything about art.

I know these are honest with you.

I don't know anything about art, but I've seen some of these people's work, and it's incredible.

It's incredible.

And I bring them up to the ranch once a year.

And it's for the Inspired Arts League, which I don't run or, you know, I'm just a member of.

And we donate the ranch and

put on the food and and everything else.

And these guys come up and they just paint and I'm allowed to sit and listen and watch.

And, oh my gosh, it is, they are amazing.

We, two days ago,

we were given a challenge.

There's how many of us?

15, 12?

And we were given a nine-foot panel and said the only instruction was

something that you that scared you that you got through.

You have two hours to paint it.

All of you paint one painting together.

Go.

And we were all like,

what?

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

And all of us thought it would be an absolute disaster.

I should tweet out what happened.

Just then, this giant thunderstorm came rolling through the valley and it got very, very dark.

And everybody just looked up at the sky and went, okay, that's it.

And within two two hours, we painted a painting that is just unbelievable.

And there were like 10 of us at least working on it at the same time.

And we'd all step back and go, okay, that needs to be, who wants to do that?

And boom, we'd do it.

It was really fun.

Really fun.

That's really fun.

And so last night we had a conversation.

What does that mean?

Well, it's strange.

I mean, I would imagine that your politics are not necessarily aligned with every artist.

We don't talk politics at all.

Smart.

Nobody talks politics.

There were a couple of artists last year that were like, I don't know, I'm going to Glenn Beck.

I mean,

feel sorry for the guy from India.

He was like, I looked him up on, I mean, really, I mean, he's Satan.

I don't have to sacrifice a chicken, do I?

Not like, no, but we are slaughtering cows.

Anyway,

we don't talk politics at all.

And that's a good thing, I think.

Really good thing.

Have you talked at all with them, you know, being really famous, accomplished artists, about what they think is going on with AI?

Yeah, none of them like it.

I think they are still of the mindset that handcrafted things will be worth more

than

AI things.

And I think in the long run, that's true.

But it's like, for instance,

I equate it to

when quartz came out.

I'm a watch collector.

Quartz came out.

You could not buy a handmade, beautiful watch that you would have to wind because everybody went to quartz.

I mean, even the biggest watch houses went, you know, to quartz.

And all of a sudden, the price of a handmade watch went through the floor.

Smart people bought up all of those watches and just kept them in vaults.

Now it's the same.

You don't, if you are a watch collector, if you're somebody who really likes a timepiece for the handmade quality, you buy that.

You don't buy quartz.

If you're somebody that just wants time,

you'll buy a quartz watch because that's all you need it for.

But there is a place for handmade everything.

And I think it's going to become more valuable.

People will want something real.

Yeah, I mean, I think that's, it's definitely true, I think.

You know, like I, my, you know, my, my son is a, you know, he likes sports collectibles.

And like, obviously, you could print a baseball card that looks the same as the one that was released in 1985 or 1955.

A signature is a perfect example of this.

Obviously, you could recreate a signature easily, but the real signature is what's worth it, right?

And I assume that continues, though, with the AI stuff, some of it looks so real, I don't even know anymore.

I don't know.

There's something to be said, though, when,

I mean, I can think of so many things like this that, you know, it was fun for a while.

Let's take

the,

what do you call it?

The hero movies that are being made.

The Marvel.

What company is that?

Marvel.

Marvel was great because at first it was like, wow, I've never seen anything like that.

Now you're like, hmm.

Yeah.

Because it's all that.

You know what I mean?

And nothing is real.

Where you look at Mission Impossible, where it's AI-assisted, and you know that

he was actually in the plane, the helicopter, doing that.

That adds something to it.

I think the Tom Cruise movie is a great example of real life mixing it.

And Marvel is just kind of, meh, because it's not real.

Yeah, it's almost like you're buying the story.

I find so much of this, a lot of the stuff that goes viral on the internet has this same sort of thing where like, you know, like Dude Perfect is like one of the biggest, you know, accounts on YouTube and they do crazy trick shots is one of the things that they do.

And they'll, you know, they recently, you know, shot

a basketball shot off the top of some Vegas tower.

You know, it's the highest basketball shot ever.

And you see the thing go down.

And like

they could easily do that in CGI and it would be nothing, right, to see that.

But the fact is the whole story of them taking multiple days and thousands of shots to try to make this and then finally making it is what you were interested in.

And I think, I guess that's where it goes.

But, like,

you also can see the other side of it.

I know with, you know, Hollywood obviously is on strike now, and they're doing this,

the actors and the writers.

A lot of that has to do with AI.

And

the possibilities were of where that's going is really fascinating.

I don't know if you saw this from Justine Bateman.

You remember her from Family Ties?

Oh, yeah, yeah.

She's very bright.

Yeah, she's also a computer.

She has a computer science degree as well, apparently.

But she tweeted this thread.

This is a couple of months ago, but I think it's fascinating.

Where does AI going with film?

Listen to this.

One, AI-written scripts.

Okay, you kind of figure that's already happening, I'm sure.

And digitally scanned actors, image and or voice, both already exist.

Some talent agencies are actively recruiting their clients to be scanned.

You can choose the projects, but you'll only get 75 cents on the dollar.

But, okay, and now you're thinking you're not even doing any work, right?

What's the big deal?

It's all an AI.

Then it says your digital image can be triple or quadruple booked.

So that bodes well if you happen to be a top 10%er.

Number two, films customized for a viewer based on their viewing history, which has been collected for many years.

Actors will have the option to have their image bought out to be used in anything at all.

Three,

films ordered up by the viewer.

For example, I want a film about a panda and a unicorn who saved the world in a rocket ship and just put Bill Murray in it.

Imagine typing that into Netflix and then you just get the movie.

And if you happen to

be a

black mirror watcher and you watch the first one from this season,

it seems completely absurd, but I mean, that's the sort of stuff they're talking about.

Oh, it could be done.

Oh, yeah.

And you know what?

Somebody will hit on a hit.

Somebody will have an idea, put it together, and it will become a hit.

And it'll be like, you know, YouTube movies.

This happened with what was it, Drake?

I think it was one of those, you know, some musician.

Yeah.

And he had, there was an AI song written that sounded like his voice.

It wasn't him, wasn't his song, but it was becoming popular.

They had to suppress it to make it not become a hit.

But that's just all coming, right?

That's all

around the corner.

And the problem is, is where is

plagiarism?

Where's the line?

I mean, you can look at, for instance,

we were talking, I can't remember what the painting was, we were talking about some painting and

this person had done another painting and it was very similar.

Now, did he copy that or did he go and say, oh,

I don't even remember seeing that before, maybe honestly not seeing it, or seeing it a long, long, long, long time ago, maybe in his childhood, and it just kind of pushed to the front.

With AI, there is no childhood.

There's no memory that you lose.

There's no subliminal anything.

It's all there.

And if it's read and consumed, everything,

everything

is plagiarism.

All of it.

All of it is plagiarism.

Yeah, that was some degree or another.

There's that Sarah Silverman

lawsuit.

I don't know if you saw that from a couple of weeks ago, where, you know, basically

you can ask AI to summarize her book, right?

And then the AI will summarize her book and all the things that are in it, stories from inside the book.

And she's like, that's my book.

You just took all the stuff from my book and just gave it away for free, right?

Like,

I think she has an argument there, honestly.

A couple more.

Oh, she does.

A couple more from this, Glenn.

Other possibilities of AI in the future of what happens in film.

Viewers getting digitally scanned themselves and paying extra to have themselves inserted into custom films.

Easy.

Totally.

Licensing deals made with studios so that viewers can

order up older films like Star Wars and put their face on Luke Skywalker's body and their ex-wife's face on Darth Vader's body, etc.

Six, training an AI program on older hit TV series and creating an additional season.

Family Ties, which she was

had 167 episodes.

An AI program could easily be trained on this and create an eighth season because they only shot seven.

I mean,

this is going to be a really weird world.

And there's that window.

It's coming coming fast.

Yeah, coming really fast.

And there's that window where right now, people like, you know, Bill Murray, right?

They'll want to be, they'll want those people in these movies.

They'll have a chance to license themselves out.

But like over time, they're just going to create AI stars from scratch that will just replace all the acts.

You don't need Bill Murray.

People won't remember him.

He'll be dead 30 years from now, and they'll just be all AI people out there acting.

Stu, why would you?

I mean, it's the same thing that I say about AI for relationships.

Actors are a pain in the ass.

They're a pain in the ass.

Okay.

All the stuff that you have to do, you know, I need this, I need that, and oh, I don't know if I worked, all of that stuff.

Why would any mega studio say, no, let's have all that drama here on the set?

Instead of saying, I can take them, license their image, and I don't have anything to do with them.

Yeah, I'll do that.

Yeah.

No, totally.

And by the way,

as you brought that up, I thought, man, talk show hosts can be difficult too.

This would be.

I will tell you this.

We won't be able to do it.

Ben Shapiro will be able to do it because you don't ever hear him go,

oh, what was that name?

Like me.

So if I'm ever replaced by AI, you'll know because I'll sound like Ben Shapiro.

Ben Shapoon style forks.

Yes, thank you.

Ben Ben Shapiro may actually be AI right now.

And I still love it.

I still love it.

Well,

you mentioned the relationship thing, which of course is coming with all sorts of weirdness.

But

I was reading an article this morning about they're doing this with like Instagram influencers, right?

Where, I mean, what's an Instagram influencer?

I mean, to be true, like we don't know who these people are.

They haven't accomplished anything of note that we know of.

They come out and they become popular because they're hot and they're wearing bikinis in like, you know, foreign locations.

Well, that's easy for AI.

You don't even have to know who these people are.

They're just creating them from scratch to look perfect, to be wearing bathing suits in, you know, some incredible, with some incredible backdrop.

And then they're trying to sell you the bathing suits or whatever they're trying to hawk to you.

And it's like, you're just going to create these people from scratch over time.

Those people will be the famous people, right?

The fake people will be the famous people.

I have to tell you, I think that's wrong.

I mean, look at me.

Here I am in an exotic location

wearing a bathing suit right now.

And

you're creating horrible imagery for the radio listening audience.

I assure you, if you're watching Blaze TV, he's fully clothed.

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Glenn, scale of one to 10.

One being these whistleblowers change nothing, and Joe and Hunter are going to go on with their lives as normal.

10 being this ends in them being thrown out of office and maybe into prison.

Where are you right now?

Six.

Six.

Yeah.

I mean, okay, where am am I?

Where am I in the real America, the real world that I grew up in?

Yeah, I should clarify.

Okay, yeah.

I'm saying, what do you think is going to happen, though?

Not the world that you think should exist.

The world that does exist,

I would put it at a one.

But I think this evidence is so strong

that

if they keep pounding it and you find as much as you have in the last few weeks, if it continues this way, it's going to be a slow drip, drip, drip.

And a stone

moves with just small little drips.

It decays and crumbles.

I think this could be a slow drip that, even in today's world, will end in real trouble for the Biden.