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Tom Fitton is on with us from Judicial Watch to talk to us about yet another possible indictment on what is happening with Donald Trump.

Will this ever end?

Tom, welcome.

Hey, Glenn, good to be with you.

Thank you.

So, first of all, I just have to say, you know, I've talked to you a million times and I've seen you several times, but are you lifting now?

Because you look like you could snap my neck with your fingers.

It's all AI generated.

Oh, is it?

Yeah, okay.

Okay.

So is my fatness.

All right.

So

yesterday they came out.

It looks like there may be another arrest of Donald Trump, another indictment.

Can you explain what is going on here and what is going on in Michigan as well, if you can?

Well, I think it's a coordinated Democratic Party operation to destroy the Republican Party using the awesome powers, and I don't use the word awesome in a positive way, but powerful powers of the prosecutorial offices at the state and federal level to arrest their leadership.

I mean, that's what's going on in Michigan.

Electors of those who participated in disputing the election in Michigan, including Republican leaders, have been indicted, face the rest of their lives in jail potentially.

What's going on here in Washington, D.C.

D.C.

is that the Jack Smith grand jury, after they indicted or moved to push an indictment of Trump on this sham

document issue, is trying to prosecute him for A, being president and questioning how federal elections were run, and B, being a candidate, exercising his rights under the First Amendment to dispute an election and figure out what legally could be done.

And maybe they're trying to tie it to the January 6th incident as well.

But, you know, I testified to that grand jury, and I can tell you they spent a lot of time harassing me about First Amendment protected speech and electors and debates about that that were taking place.

And I remember thinking,

despite

the harassment, is why is all this being discussed in this context.

This is a federal grand jury, and we're talking politics.

We're talking party politics.

It was like being in a CNN interview for four hours.

And so it's no surprise, given their interest in partisan politics and debating me on the Constitution and federal election law, that they would take the next step and abuse their office further to try to jail Trump before the election.

So,

what happens here?

Are they really trying to jail him?

Because you could still run for president in jail.

And I have to tell you,

I think there would be a lot of people that would wear a t-shirt proudly

of his mugshot with the numbers under his face and just say,

I voted for Trump.

I voted for prisoner 14009.

I mean, I think there's a lot of people that would do that because we see this as insanity and a banana republic

well i mean they're they're in in the miami case which began in washington dc they moved it down to miami they were seeking a trial for december now the judge may put that off a little bit but it may still occur during election time

uh you know they were planning to to try to get him in get him prosecuted finish the trial and get him jailed around the time the primaries began And now it's going to be potentially, it looks like, you know, all the signals are there's going to be another arrest and indictment of Trump.

I don't know how it's going to go here in D.C.

They have a much more anti-Trump judicial bench up here.

To me, all bets are off here in terms of the abuse of power and how far the Biden regime, I don't call, you know, they've officially became a regime, in my view, with the indictment of Trump, how far the Biden regime is willing to go.

And,

you know,

again,

Democrat prosecutor

in the state of Michigan, a key state, obviously, for any election, has now just tried to arrest the Republican Party leadership for people close to him, you know, most of whom seem to be in their 70s and 80s.

And then on top of that, you have what's happening in New York City and Fulton County, Democrat prosecutor down there.

And, you know, my question is, Glenn, you know, we can talk about how outrageous this is.

What's to be done about it?

Are Republicans in the House going to exercise all the powers they have under the Constitution to rein this in, cut off funding to these local DAs and states that abuse the civil rights of their citizens, shut down the Jack Smith investigation, just defund it?

I mean, there are things that can be done that they don't really want to talk about doing because, you know, their,

you know, fear-based leadership is their mantra.

Well, they better get over that quickly because this is the last election

that

they will have a chance of winning ever again

if they don't start moving

mountains here and actually cutting off the purse strings

to the things that they can do and use every tool at its disposal.

You know, they keep talking about, Bob, well, we're thinking about contempt.

We're thinking about holding UNK.

Well, then hold them in contempt.

Stop thinking about it.

Hold them in contempt.

You know, the White House, one of the first executive orders was to do a government-wide

look and plan on how to register new voters.

And it was for every department in the government.

Congress has asked for that plan and said, can we see what you guys are doing?

They won't release it.

Well, let's stop thinking about holding you in contempt and actually putting your ass in jail if you don't do

what the other branch is telling you to do, that we have a right to see this.

Show it to us.

I really am very concerned about the integrity of our election.

And if this stuff isn't stopped with Donald Trump,

we just have, we're turning into Venezuela.

That's right.

And they don't want, you remember, they're punishing folks for disputing the 2020 election.

And what better way to ensure that doesn't happen again and that no one questions the 2024 election or really doesn't want to

participate in it in any significant way is to jail the political leadership

of the party that challenged Biden.

You know, this is, to me, kind of a search and destroy mission against the Republican Party.

That grand jury, according to reports, is investigating Republican Party fundraising.

They've targeted state legislators, citizens involved in this alternative elector dispute before 2020, which happens virtually every election, every federal or presidential election, there are disputes about electors.

It's what happens.

Usually Democrats do it.

But when Republicans do it, it's a different thing.

You know, and I testified to the grand jury about this.

And it's funny, they were kind of aghast when I said, you know, I was very worried in 2020 because Democrats were saying that they wanted to dispute the election and were willing to engage in succession by certain states unless the Electoral College votes went their way.

They didn't seem interested in that seditious conspiracy.

Isn't that so?

They've got evidence, right?

I gave them evidence to the grand jury that Democrats were planning civil unrest and civil war.

Did they bring in those folks responsible?

Oh, guess who was doing some of that planning?

John Bodessa, who's currently in the Biden White House.

So, Tom, you get up in the morning.

You're lifting, like, I don't know, Cadillacs.

You're like,

got to get into shape.

And

you're thinking about what's going on.

Are you optimistic or pessimistic?

Well, as a Christian, I'm optimistic.

As a citizen,

I'm a bit pessimistic because I kind of see our republic tottering.

And I'm fearful we'll lose it

if it becomes the norm that the Justice Department can prosecute the former president and the number one candidate for president against the current president at the drop of a hat.

And if that becomes the norm, we're no different than Putin's Moscow and Xi's Beijing.

That's how you lose a republic.

We've had political prosecutions in the past under Justice Department.

We know that, you know, and abuses.

But nothing where it's been so brazen and naked and the veil's been lifted that you go to jail if you oppose us.

And you really have to go back to the early part of the last century under Woodrow Wilson to see anything comparable

where they jailed all of his political opponents.

Here, we didn't have the, you know, but even then, you didn't have the major party candidate jailed.

And this is what they want to do.

They want to jail Trump before the election.

And the idea that that would be happening

in America

is something that ought to concern us.

Because if it happens, you have to wonder if we, quote, are America anymore.

Are we?

I think we are very close on that line one way or another.

I don't know, but we're very close.

Tom, what is the thing that

you can instruct us to do?

What is it we can do?

I mean, I look at the 16 Republicans indicted in Michigan.

I mean, I would love to see a whole bunch of Republicans standing up in Michigan saying, hey, fine, if that's what you're going to do, we've just doubled our size and we're taking those roles and we're involving ourselves.

You know, something that shows that

you're not going to take one out without two replacing.

We have to be a hydra.

Well, certainly the left is very concerned about elections in 2024 and them being, you know, they're willing to rig them again.

So they want to scare us off from participating in the election process.

And so no American should be frightened off by this.

I mean, if they value their country, they still have to take that risk and participate in the public policy process, certainly as it relates to elections.

We've got right now this kind of window in the House where they're figuring out what to do about funding.

Ask your member of Congress, what are you going to do to stop this?

And I don't want a report.

I don't want a hearing.

We know what's going on, and you're funding it.

You're funding

this jailing of Trump.

You're funding this prosecution of citizens for exercising their First Amendment rights, which isn't just about free speech.

The other part of exercising your First Amendment rights means the right to petition your government.

And that goes to the heart of these election disputes.

And

why is the House going to fund this?

Are they going to continue to fund this?

Speaker McCarthy, are you going to shut it down?

He could shut down, technically, the Jack Smith investigation just to fund it.

Say no money being spent this year

on prosecuting Trump or anything under Jack Smith's office or maybe just shut it down in perpetuity.

Demand a special counsel.

Impeach Biden.

Escalate it in terms of this is important to the rule of law.

We see what you're doing, and we're going to do everything we can under the Constitution to stop, prevent, and hold you accountable.

Yeah,

I just cannot sit here and tolerate the stories about the weaponization of government.

You know, we hear another one.

Here's another whistleblower.

What are you doing about it?

What are you doing about it?

We got it.

Tom Fitton, thank you so much.

Really appreciate it.

You're welcome, Brian.

Thank you.

Bye-bye.

You bet.

Tom Fitton from judicialwatch.org.

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I read a story yesterday.

I don't remember where.

They were talking about how Tucker Carlson is just a fascist.

Pro-Putin and all of this garbage, all of this garbage.

And in case you don't know, I did a really great interview with him just last Friday after we had the leadership summit, which was fantastic.

And we sat on stage for about an hour, just the two of us, and we

went back and forth on different things.

And I started talking to him about

alcoholics.

Cut seven.

People who've been forced to face their own failings and realize the central insight of life and the root of all wisdom, which is I am not God.

Yes.

You don't have to have a specific theology to realize that.

You just have to be honest and aware and willing to face it.

I am not God.

And you definitely learn that.

If you drink too much, if you party too much, as I did, like, there's no pretense.

Like, well, actually, I kind of think I'm God.

No.

And that's a really good thing to learn.

And I trust people like that.

And it doesn't even have to be former drinkers or drug people.

No, it's just just people who have.

Yeah, anyone who's been, whenever I know someone who's gone to prison, I always try to have a party for the person when he gets out, even if it's like a bad crime, because they're always improved by it.

Like Jack Abramoff went to prison.

I didn't even know him that well, but he got out.

I'm not a lobbyist.

I'm not in this business.

I had a huge party form at my house.

My neighbors were outraged.

How can you have Jack Abramoff in it?

And I was like, he went to prison.

Like, he's out.

I now respect him because he can no longer pose as a good person.

Correct.

And that is exactly where I am.

I'm not pretending to be a good person.

I just painted a painting of Johnny Cash in jail,

his mugshot.

The best.

And I called it best day of his life.

And people were just looking at it.

I was just at an art gallery and they were just looking at it and they said,

best day of his life.

And I said, oh, everything's...

everything's sunshine and lollipops after there.

This broke him.

So now he's humble enough.

Everything, he will look back, and I'm sure he did, look back on that moment as, thank God that happened.

I agree with that.

I agree with that.

I really would recommend, in a much more low-grade way, getting fired.

It's good for a man to be fired once.

It is.

It is.

Because you can really start, especially if you're in the talking business, you can wake up and be like, it's possible on Jesus.

And you start thinking that,

it's not good.

And so getting fired and being humiliated and having people avert their gaze when you walk into the restaurant.

You don't learn anything.

You learn some things when you're wildly successful.

I never learned anything.

But when you're broken.

then you, that's, you hate it when it happens, but you always look back and go, best years of my life.

No, this time when it happens, the third time it's happened to me, my wife was like, first of all, I'm psyched.

She was psyched.

So that's good.

My wife.

She was not taken off like, oh, me and the pool boy are out of here.

It wasn't like that at all.

But I was like immediately thankful for it.

I was like, this is me good.

Because if this had continued, oh, you're so important.

At some point, I'd be like, you know, I really am.

That's a great interview.

That's a great interview.

I mean, that's a great part of that interview.

It's such a great perspective.

And you could tell he's the guy who's in the middle of going through this.

This is not a retrospective interview where, like, I remember when I was fired in 2018.

This is like he's

in the middle of going through this.

And it's a great perspective to have.

And

I remember, I've told the story before, the last night before I went into Roger Ailes,

you know, I had been with Bono and everything.

I was like a cool kid for the first time.

And I walked in and I said,

honey, how can this be God's plan that I would leave?

Look at,

we're at the pinnacle of my career and we're going to have access and everything else.

And she luckily said, I'm going to bed.

And then

I stood there at the window and I remember almost an audible voice.

If you don't leave now, you're not going to leave with your soul.

And I know that to be true because, as he said, there's times where you can begin to feel like, dig me, look at me,

look at, look at the mountains I can move.

And it is

dangerous.

That's why this pride month stuff bothers me so much.

It had nothing to do with the homosexuality, just the word pride.

We need humility.

We need much more humility, not pride.

I told you last week, if you haven't heard this interview, you need to hear it.

It's at blazetv.com.

You can sign up uh for a uh

for a subscription use the word summit and you'll save thirty dollars off code word summit um i uh

i have to tell you i uh

i think god is

well i

i don't even want to say think i know god something is doing something with tucker carlson

uh he is on fire

On fire right now.

Something big is coming with Tucker Carlson.

And it is going to be fun to watch.

Listen to him talk about God and reading the book of Revelation.

Do you think there's a chance, and I know people say this all the time, forever, they've said this.

But do you think there's a chance that we are living in the times when we'll see Christ return in our life?

You know, people,

we live in Maine for half the year, or more than half the year, and I work out of a barn in our tiny little town, which some local newspaper like ran a picture of it.

So I people at the barn every day.

And I would say when I'm like sitting in there in my box or smoking a cigar, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang.

And I always, I'm dumb enough to answer the door.

And I would say 100% of the time, it's someone there to tell me about the end times.

And I always say the same thing, which is, I totally believe that's happening.

I think that history does have an end.

Okay, it's not a loop.

It's a progression.

It's linear.

I believe that.

I know that intuitively, and I believe it as a matter of faith.

So I do think there's an end at some point.

But for me to presume to call it, to know when it's coming, are you joking?

Like, the number one sin is presuming you have powers that you don't, to put yourself in the position of the creator, to pretend you're God, to mistake yourself for the Almighty.

And for me to say, well, you know, I'm pretty sure the end times are,

really?

Yeah, I'm not.

Like a thief in the night.

Right.

You don't know.

So, like, you know, sure, it looks that way to me.

But what do I know?

I thought Lee Zeldon was going to be governor of New York.

I'm not good at predicting.

But I think that, well, no man will know.

I totally agree, and I'm not saying that he is coming.

I'm not saying that.

But he did give us all of these clues to watch for, and I think it's to give us hope.

When I actually started to think, because I've been doing this for a while where my world gets very dark.

And as I...

Are you Scandinavian?

No.

You must be.

And I'm

looking at all of this and

my wife and I started really seriously considering just,

you know, everybody, the apostles did this.

I think it could happen.

I think it could happen.

And I found myself going,

Wow, that would be really cool.

What an honor if it did happen to live at this time.

And I think he gave us some of these signs, not to say,

buckle up, here we go, ride's going.

He gave us, though, to say,

when I come, you'll see these things.

Have hope.

It's going to be difficult, but I'm coming.

And so it all works out.

I got you.

I think that's the message that so many people are missing or I believe that.

I would just say.

I'm God saying, I got you.

One, I mean,

no mainline Protestant church that I'm aware of allows its members to read Revelation.

Like, you're not allowed to do that.

You got to be like a full-on snake handling funny to read that stuff.

And so I'd never seen it, you know, I hadn't.

Not that I was biblically literate in any way.

Wow.

But I just read it.

I read it last month.

My wife's like, ooh,

that's a scary one.

And it was pretty heavy, but like I didn't find it scary at all.

So that's the first thing.

Like it's actually worth kind of reading it.

It's a slog, but it's super interesting.

And I didn't find it scary.

That's the first thing.

Second thing I would say is I have no idea.

No freaking clue, as we say in Maine, what's going on right now.

But I will say that my personal relationships with the people that I love and know have never been crisper and deeper and more rewarding to me.

I've never felt more connected to the people around me.

I've never felt more satisfied with my relationships.

I have lost a lot of friendships because of political turmoil, but I've gained new ones that are even more rewarding.

And I just feel like there's a huge, you know, there's all this chaos and all this sadness, and everyone's so sad about it.

But if you look at your own life and assess your own relationships, are they better and deeper and more honest?

You may find that they are.

He has great, uh, great insight.

And as I was listening to him, I thought of Paul Harvey.

Paul Harvey was a broadcaster years ago, somebody I used to listen to growing up.

He was one of the inspirations for me getting into radio.

And he would give the news reports.

And

I remember him saying,

The media,

the media doesn't know if it's telling you the truth or not.

The media lives in a bubble.

You want to fix it.

Relocate them all over the country.

I have to tell you.

As I'm listening to Tucker on that last particular thing, the reason why he doesn't sound like he's one of the voices in the media is he's not living

in

New York or Los Angeles he's living amongst real people in a very small town

I'm coming to you now from a town of about 450

There is this America that still exists in these small towns all over the country, and we forget about them.

But then, when you see somebody like Tucker,

you're like, oh,

that's why he makes so much sense.

He hasn't bought into all of the bullcrap.

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Well, Stu,

I'm still looking at the

The wonderful, wonderful world of the New York Times and still trying to figure out an article that we started on yesterday,

but I would like to come back to it and read it to you and help me figure out, is Donald Trump the most evil, wicked man ever?

New York or New York Times story?

Is he shooting?

Yeah, or is he shooting to be the president?

Okay.

Well,

it goes,

this story was like written by a schizophrenic.

Okay.

Which, hey, beautiful schizophrenics.

I endorse them.

I'm around, you know, schizophrenics whenever I can be.

Some of my best friends could be schizophrenics.

Well, they're wonderful, and stop condemning them.

Thank you for saying that during schizophrenic Pride Month, which, of course, is

July and August and also September and March.

Correct.

Well, if you're a schizophrenic.

All right.

Here we go.

From the New York Times.

Donald J.

Trump and his allies are planning a sweeping expansion of presidential power over the machinery of government if voters return him to the White House in 2025, restructuring and reshaping the structure of the executive branch to concentrate far greater authority directly in his hands.

Wow, that sounds bad.

I'm already a little jittery.

I'm like, oh my gosh.

I've seen this movie before.

I believe the emperor says he's going to take control, and they say this is how liberty dies with thunderous applause.

He's the emperor, essentially, in the story already.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Their plans to centralize more power in the Oval Office stretch far beyond the former president's recent remarks that he would order a criminal investigation into his political rival, President Biden.

Yeah, because that was crazy.

You imagine a president saying, hey, we should investigate my rival?

What a totalitarian fascist.

Literally no self-awareness whatsoever.

Like, how could that not be the next line?

Now, obviously, some would note that this is currently going on with the other party.

None of that's even mentioned.

Well, they say this signals his intent to end the post-Watergate norm of Justice Department independence from the White House.

Uh-huh.

Mr.

Trump and his associates have a broader goal, to alter the balance of power by increasing the president's authority over every part of the federal government that now operates, either by law or tradition, with any measure of independence from political interference by the White House, according to a review of his campaign policy proposals and interviews with people close to him.

Mr.

Trump intends to bring independent agencies like the Federal Communications Commission, which makes and enforces the rules for television and internet companies, or the Federal Trade Commission, which enforces various antitrust and other consumer protection rules against business, under direct presidential control.

He wants to revive a practice of impounding funds, refusing to spend money Congress has already appropriated for programs a president doesn't like, a tactic that lawmakers banned under Richard Nixon.

He intends to strip employment protection from the tens of thousands of career civil servants, making it easier to replace them if they're deemed obstacles to his agenda.

And he plans to scour the intelligence agencies, the State Department, Department, and the defense bureaucracies to remove officials he has vilified as the sick political class that hates our country.

So let me see if I have this right.

The Congress

makes laws and okay spending.

Is that right, Stu?

Mm-hmm.

Yep.

Okay.

They, along with the President, have the power to declare war.

Uh-huh.

Okay, so I got them down.

Now

you go to the second branch, and that branch is the presidential branch.

And that branch is the one that

is

supposed to just be a kind of almost a rubber stamp on, hey, You can't do that.

I don't think this is constitutional.

Therefore, I will veto it.

And if it's not overridden in the Congress, then it would have to go to the Supreme Court.

But before we leave the second branch, the second branch is also in charge of like foreign entanglements and our State Department.

So the State Department works for the President.

That's why we don't elect the head of the State Department.

We have to have the President appoint these people, like the head of justice or the head of the State Department or the head of the Pentagon etc etc

he appoints those people because they're they're in something and I don't think it's very nice I don't know how big these cabinets are but putting full-size people into cabinets is not very nice those people are on what he what they claim is a cabinet

and the president meets with and I'm quoting his

cabinet to outline where the federal government with the agencies are supposed to go.

Now,

they say that he's wanting to

fire people

that are in the agencies that are under the direct control of the president.

And he doesn't have the right to do that.

And I'm trying to think

if

you were a boss

and you hired everybody

and you wanted them to do one thing.

And then all of them said, no, we're going to go and do this other thing.

And we'll actually undermine the stuff that you want.

And that boss couldn't fire anyone.

Is he really the boss?

Is he really the boss?

Who is the boss?

Because Congress has no place over a cabinet.

It's not in the Constitution.

The only one that does is the president.

And if the president can't hire, fire, set policy, say, we're not doing this, we are doing this,

then who do they work for?

I mean, a veritable civics lesson we've just received here from you, Glenn.

And I think

the answer to this question, of course, is not one the New York Times wants you to think about.

Correct.

This is sort of the goal.

I mean, like, they can say that it's this massive expansion.

And honestly, like, I wouldn't be surprised if that's how Trump pitches it to voters, too.

Right.

Like, I think he wants...

He wants Republican voters in the primary, especially, to think, hey, you know, we're not going to put up with this stuff anymore.

I'm going to start taking the reins and we're going to make sure,

you know,

stuff is done.

We're not going to sit here behind the deep state and let and get rolled over again.

We're not going to let that happen to us again.

I think that's his pitch.

It's Vivek's pitch as well.

I mean, you've heard him, he made a pitch to you in an interview right after his appearance on stage the other day in Iowa.

I don't think that this is something that Republican voters right now dislike all that much.

And especially when the New York Times pitches it is evil, they're going to like it even more.

Yeah.

I have to tell you, I mean,

I don't like the idea of any president saying I'm going to expand the powers of the presidency, but I don't think that's what this is.

This is a take control of the agencies that are completely out of control.

If they're not monitored by the president and able to be course corrected by the president, and

Congress doesn't have anything to say about the laws that they make, Congress is supposed to make the laws, not these agencies, but they're just making up laws now.

Then

you have a rogue agency or agencies that are actually running the country and they are not accountable to anyone.

That can't happen.

That's one of the biggest problems we have in America.

The Congress did not want to take it on the chin and make hard decisions.

And so the president said, well, I've got the EPA here.

We'll just

do it through the EPA.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do it through the EPA.

So now you have these

organizations, all of them, with all kinds of power that was never intended because they write the rules themselves and are held accountable to no one.

Right.

This is why they say in their article, by law or tradition, right?

I mean, like, the Constitution is quite clear as to who should have this power, but by tradition

and also by some laws that I do not like, they have assigned that power to,

you know,

in all sorts of different places.

If the Congress were to reclaim that power, would that be an expansion of their power?

I mean, I would argue no.

You know, the Reigns Act is specifically designed to be able to take that power back, and it's something that we should definitely pass.

But that's not an expansion of power.

And that's why they just leave the Reigns Act out.

They don't even talk about the Reigns Act, because it is, from where they are, an expansion of power.

But

because

of the progressive use of the presidency and all of the agencies,

they don't want to talk about that.

They were happy that that power went to the agencies because they could get things done in the dark of the night and nobody even knew.

And so they don't want to explain all of that.

So they don't explain the Reigns Act because I think people would be in favor of Congress having to pass the laws laws so these things just aren't flipped overnight.

You know what I think we can do?

I think everyone

named

everyone

named

Sally.

I think she should now be named

Olive.

So all Sally's are Olive.

You'll be like, wait, what?

No, we have the power to do that.

We're in the

human resources and human, something, health and human or something.

I don't know what it is, but we have the ability to change names and they just run with it.

That ability has got to go away.

And

I'm sorry, New York Times, but your fear-mongering doesn't work.

I really want to hear from Donald Trump where he says, I know what the limits are, but these agencies need to become under control and I want to abolish a lot of them or fire a lot of the people and not refill those seats.

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