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So I want to talk to you about some things.

Last night I was here till, I don't know, about 9.30

last night.

I still have the second half of the great reset to

record for the audiobook.

I have to do that today.

The audiobook is Dark Future.

And I want you to know, I make more money on the audiobook.

And the audiobook is really good and very funny.

But I ask that you would buy a hardbound.

I make less money.

I'm saying that because I want you to understand I have nothing to gain by saying that.

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and in a digital world you don't own the movies you quote bought end quote from Apple or Amazon or anybody else that still belongs to them you're in a long-term rental okay they can take it back at any time

books can be altered or deleted it is this is book burning as they are changing books they are engaging in Fahrenheit 451.

As you wake up one day and all this information, if it's deemed, you know,

subversive or whatever, it will be gone.

I've been doing a lot of thinking as I was

preparing for the museum next week.

And I want to tell you about two promises I made

to God.

I made one in 2001.

It was September 16th, 2001.

No, sorry, September

13th, 2001.

I had found out that I was going to be syndicated.

And I was doing a comedy show.

I was a big fat dummy.

I didn't know much about history or anything else.

I knew who I was at that time,

thank God.

And I had already hit my absolute rock bottom about six years before.

And I know who rescued me.

and I know what I owe him in a way that I'll never be able to pay back.

And when September 11th happened, and all of a sudden I was speaking to the nation, I got on my knees and I said, you got the wrong guy.

I don't know any of this stuff.

And I promised him and I promised you

that I would do my homework.

And if I got it wrong, I would tell you I got it wrong

because we were going to have to learn some things together.

And I promised that I would always do that.

The second thing I promised was

in 2008,

as I start seeing where the world is headed, I realized these people that we are dealing with are exactly what Hillary Clinton said they were.

early 20th century American progressives.

Those are the evil progressives, the knowingly evil progressives.

That's the Margaret Sanger group, okay?

Fabian socialists.

It's nasty.

They're the ones who taught eugenics and experimental surgeries and everything else.

They're the ones who taught it to the Nazis.

And I realized through a

prompting that

these people will destroy all of our history.

They'll destroy it.

They hate it.

Look at what the National Archives, I cannot believe that this is happening.

Do you know the Declaration of Independence is no longer on the wall?

It's now down on the floor with other documents.

You don't walk up the stairs of the National Archives anymore and walk in.

You can't.

You have to be carefully taught.

You now enter from the back into the the basement where they tell you what you're about to see and warn you that some of these documents are dangerous.

What the hell is that?

These people will change and destroy our history.

Last night, I started working on the second half of the museum as we're packing everything up and putting it in crates, and it's crazy.

I promised in 2008 that I would do I could to preserve our American history.

And we started with just simple things like George Washington's writings and his personal items and

any of the founding documents we could get our hands on.

David Barton and I partnered on this.

We now have the third largest collection in the world of founding documents up to 1829.

We're third behind the National Archives and the Library of Congress.

And most of the collection is in the side of a mountain.

And

if need be,

it just won't be found.

And it may be a thousand years before it's found.

But like the Dead Sea Scrolls, they will survive.

So I started there.

And now it has grown into a collection.

This is the first time I've pulled it out, all of it out of the vault, and

at least 1% of it, that's what's in the vault here.

And I've put it into, into,

I started going through all of it, and I can't believe the stuff that I'm seeing.

I mean, I know we own it, but I just, I can't believe it because it straightens out so many truths.

I'll share some things with you later on in the program if we have time.

But I want to talk to you about the news.

Now, with that understanding, I want you...

I have been,

I have always asked myself, how did the German people go mad?

How did you convince the German people that killing millions of people

was okay?

That hunting down Jews was fine.

Taking whole whole communities and trapping them in a church and locking the door and then setting it on fire was okay.

How do you convince people to do that?

Well,

first, you have to destroy.

You have to first destroy what it means to be a citizen of that country, what it means to be a German, what it means to be an American.

Do you even know

what it means to be an American?

Once you confuse them enough so they don't really

know their history and they don't really know what it means to be American, you have them fighting over the flag instead of the principles, you have them fighting over politicians instead of the Bill of Rights, You've got them, but that's only step one.

You also, at the same time as you're dismantling everything, you have to make them mad.

And that is a principle that has to be carefully curated over

at least a decade.

Then you have to pervert and destroy

their morals.

I'm reading this amazing book.

You have to destroy their churches and their morals.

And those are different.

Most people don't know the Bible.

Most people don't know any of this stuff.

They go to their church, if they go to their church, and they're like, yeah,

well, that's what the priest said.

And they don't even know.

You really have to destroy.

You really have to destroy what they think is right,

the difference between right and wrong, and destroy that.

I've been reading a couple of books on Weimar Germany, and one of them is Eric Weitz's book, Weimar Germany and the Prom, The Promise and Tragedy.

And

it's a well-respected book, been out for a long time,

and I'm learning an awful lot from it.

But

when we get to the society being completely

deconstructed and there is no more right and no more wrong, and this is before the Nazis came in, once you have sexual perversion and experimentation on people's bodies and

trans surgeries in 1925, that's the first one.

The guy died on the table because the doctor stuffed a uterus in him.

And that didn't work.

But now we, of course, know you don't need a uterus.

So as you go through and you look

where men become women, women become men, there is no truth, there is no right and wrong, the churches start to rise up and they start to pontificate and say,

this has got to stop.

And it's righteous indignation.

But have the churches been corrupted already?

That's what happened in Weimar Republic.

They were no longer preaching the gospel.

They were preaching more of a social gospel at this point.

And

the socialists weren't even started on the churches and destroying the churches.

If you read what the churches were saying, it's exactly the same words.

You would mistake this and say, well, that was was written today.

No, no,

that was right at the end where the churches cried out and said there's pedophilia with our children.

There is prostitution

everywhere.

Our children are, you know, in nightclubs.

And they're not nightclubs like we understand nightclubs.

There is no peace.

There is no justice.

There's nothing.

We've got to do something.

And there is always somebody who has helped create the problem to stand in that void.

Let me show you a couple of things.

This is a document that you'll see the original if you come to the museum.

I am piecing together how these things have all happened before.

And these are the seeds.

When you say never forget, you have to look at the seed.

What comes from that tree?

And we've seen it over and over again.

And everybody in the media wants you to dismiss it.

This is a letter from the guy who was

de-jewing the Bible.

He was inside all of the churches, but he was a Nazi.

And he was inside all of the churches.

and he was convincing them that there's too much Jewish

in Christianity.

We got to squeeze the Jew out of Jesus and literally cut the First Testament out.

The Old Testament had to go away

and the churches almost did it.

This is a This is a document from Hitler that you will see the original draft on.

This is to the Russian front, telling the soldiers.

Now, how do you get soldiers to believe this is okay?

Telling the soldiers on the Russian front to rape as many Russian women as possible and send them back

as soon as they're pregnant because we'll have in 18 years

500,000 new soldiers to go to war and die that aren't really German.

How do you do this?

You use NGOs.

This, you'll see the original at the museum in St.

George and in Idaho in a couple of weeks.

Next week we open in St.

George.

This is

a document from the head of the Red Cross in Germany.

You know what he was famous for?

Look at this.

There's the the Nazi symbol and the Red Cross right on his letterhead.

You know what he was famous for?

Telling I.G.

Farber and the American people how

to gas people with Zyklon B.

How do you get people to go insane?

You turn everything upside down and you have public-private partnerships.

For instance,

IBM.

Once we had punch cards, once the Germans had punch cards, they knew where everyone was.

They knew their genealogy.

How do you think they rounded up whole neighborhoods and made sure they were Jews?

How did they do that?

I,

B,

M, and the brand new punch card system.

And IBM knew all about it.

You also need to partner with Big Pharma.

And then you...

award big pharma you make a big deal

and you you've partnered with them and you say, we're going in this direction and they partner with you and then you give them an award.

This is an award to I.G.

Farber,

Big Pharma in Germany.

This is an award from Derfuhrer

for their great accomplishment

in producing Zyklon B.

Do you see any ties yet?

Because I'm going to play some audio for you in a minute.

Today,

where some of these things,

hmm,

look very familiar.

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So, before I get to the audio, I want to go down this checklist that I just made up, you know, as I was sitting here getting ready for the show today.

And I'm looking through all of these historic documents.

The reason why I collect all of this is to preserve the truth.

And

I'm taking all of my children's money that they think I would ever leave to them.

And I am spending it all on this.

And it will be buried, broken up.

No one will know know where it is if things go bad.

I promise to you this will be preserved because the truth matters.

So I'm going down this list.

What does it take to get people to kill millions of people and think they're on the right side?

Well

First, you have to forget what it means to be a citizen of your country.

What does it mean?

What does your country stand for?

You have to to have your government make you mad at what's going on and keep stirring the pot.

You have to destroy and pervert their morals and their churches.

You have to promote perversion.

You

have to destroy money and impoverish

your society.

Not the people who run the corporations.

Not the people who you need, but everybody else.

You need them in breadlines.

You need them desperate.

I continue and show you the audio from today that goes right with this.

The Spanish program.

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Huh.

So I

want to show you some things as we look at how did this happen in the past where a society goes insane.

Well, you have to make people forget what it means to be a German, and then you have to give them all kinds of drugs, make that,

everything permissible and celebrated.

You have to mutilate yourself, deny reality.

All of the things that were done in the Weimar Republic.

You have to pervert their churches.

You have to promote the perversion.

You have to impoverish the people, not necessarily the state, the people, destroy their money.

Then you have to make afraid, and you do that a couple of ways.

You do that by

making things almost impossible for the person,

the average person,

to live by the law.

If you live by the law, well, they could change change the law or they can pervert the law and they'll prosecute things with you that they're not prosecuting with other people.

For instance, let's say you keep a whole bunch of documents next to your Corvette

and then you keep a bunch of documents in a house in Florida.

One of those is criminal, one of those is not.

Okay,

let's say that,

Stu, you go into into a gun store and you buy a gun and you're all hepped up on drugs and you're selling crack and buying crack and being with hookers and you lie

about

being addicted to something and having a problem with drugs on a federal gun form.

When do we get the hypothetical part of this?

Yeah.

You go to jail.

Right.

Yes, I would go to jail for that.

But if you're in a protected class, you don't go to jail.

So you destroy the idea of justice.

Now so far, impoverish the people, that's happening.

Promote perversion, that's happening.

Destroy and promote the churches and your children, that's happening.

Make people mad, that's happening.

Make them forget what it even means to be a citizen of that country.

Then you also also have to when you're making people afraid it can't be just on the streets like for instance um

hitler had his thugs and he always claimed i have nothing to do with the with the sa those stormtroopers those brown shirts i have nothing to do with them i'll talk to them you know but i can't control them

uh until he killed them all after their usefulness was done but what did they do They went and beat people on the streets.

They broke the windows of store owners that wouldn't put the Nazi flag in their store window.

They were the people that would make people afraid that they would either be hauled off or they would be a pariah in society.

Okay, that sounds familiar.

But then you also, you can't just have inside enemies, okay, those who will not walk in lockstep with the government.

But you also have to have some deplorables, Jews.

You have to have some people that really are the cause of all of our problems.

But then you also have to have an outside enemy,

and you have to go to war.

Because now the red, white, and blue, or the red, black, and white can be waved in everybody's faces, and you have military parades, and everybody's proud, and a lot of things get lost, but not money.

Money

is made hand over fist by the few because there's a lot of money to be made with war.

In a completely unrelated clip of audio here, here's James O'Keefe talking to a BlackRock recruiter.

James is obviously undercover.

Here's the BlackRock recruiter admitting to controlling politicians.

Listen to this.

All of these

It's who's controlling the the wall.

So it's it's the financial.

And who's that?

They have chunks across the banks.

These guys are

campaign financing.

Yep, you can buy your candidates.

And obviously we have the system for us.

First, there's the senators.

These guys are f ⁇ ing shit.

You got 10 grand, you can buy a century.

You buy 500k right now.

No questions asked.

Yeah.

I did it too.

So done.

Does like everybody do that?

Does BlackRock do that?

It doesn't matter who wins.

There's so many.

They're my father.

He goes on to say there's a lot of money to be made in war.

Hey, by the way, did you see, man, the Pentagon is so good.

You know, they used to buy way overpriced stuff, like toilet seats that were $600 in 1978.

But they've really, they've buttoned themselves up.

Now they made an accounting error, but for the first time in my life, they caught it and it was in our favor.

Wow.

We have an extra, what, three and a half billion or is it the full $6 billion that they found?

So there's more money to ship off to war, which is really, really

great.

Okay, so back to the list.

You have to have public-private partnerships, not just with the war machine, but also

medicine, IG Farber, or

maybe

Pfizer,

that is in a papered deal with the United States of America.

Pfizer took $150 million from Bill and Melinda Gates, their shareholders in Pfizer, took the money to start

the search for a vaccine for COVID.

And then about a month later, the United States went, yeah, we ought to get involved in that too.

And they did.

Now we're starting to see some things, but I'm sure this was just an error.

Cut two, here's a Pfizer rep admitting something that I didn't know.

Was the Pfizer COVID vaccine tested on stopping the transmission of the virus before it entered the market?

If not, please say it clearly.

If yes, are you willing to share the data with this committee?

And I really want a straight answer, yes or no, and I'm looking forward to it.

Thank you very much.

Regarding the question around: did we know about stopping humanization before it entered the market?

No.

These,

you know, we had to really move at the speed of science to really understand what is taking place in the market.

And from that point of view, we had to do everything at risk.

I think our Dr.

Burla, even though he's not here, would turn around and say to you himself, if not us, then who?

So they noticed you said, at the speed of science.

Now, what is science?

Science is you have a theory, then you produce something to see if your theory is right.

To do that, you must do testing and you have to measure.

Then you find out through science

if your theory is correct.

So you're operating at the speed of science?

No, no, no.

You're almost working at the speed of alchemy or the speed of arrogance, but definitely not science if you didn't take the time to measure things.

And then, of course, what is it exactly?

Is it alchemy when you then round up people or shut people up or destroy their lives when they say, hey, did you measure this?

By the way, the guy who asked that question in the European Parliament is going to be on with us.

here in studio in about 15 minutes, so we'll get more on that.

The last thing you have to do after you've found your deplorables fall guy, you've weaponized the government through public-private partnerships, you have a war on the horizon,

you have disorder on the streets, and a loss of real justice, and a loss of people's understanding of their own history, who they are, what it means to be a citizen,

what perversions actually are and are not, universal truths,

and they're really really mad

all you then have to do is just change everything because nobody really knows what they used to be anymore they just know they want it to stop

and there's always crazily somebody who usually was involved openly or behind the scenes

in all of the disruptions that comes to the table with an answer.

is wonderful.

And they present you with,

you know, a new society or a great narrative.

And they paint a very pretty picture for you.

It's utopia.

It's a bright future.

But I'm here to tell you it is a dark future.

We've documented all of these things,

not the history part.

You can see that at the museum.

What we've done is documented in their own words everything that is going on right now.

And it is our responsibility.

I want to ask you, probably nobody's ever asked you this, and you've heard this phrase a million times.

Will you pledge mutually with each other?

Your life, your fortune, and your sacred honor to preserve opportunity.

That's what America is really all about, and we've forgotten that.

We throw the word freedom and liberty around an awful lot.

What does that even mean?

People in England think they're free.

I don't think they're free.

Why?

Because they don't have the opportunities.

It boils down to opportunity.

And the opportunity for our children to be

successful or failures in the pursuit of that success, to be knowledgeable, to be

thinkers,

not just dupes that follow the band.

Those are all going away and they're going away quickly.

You're the key.

This audience, I've told you this for years, but now is the time.

You are the key.

You've done so much damage to ESG just by exposing it to your friends.

We're in the next phase.

I don't know if there's a third phase.

I think the third phase really is just all of this stuff being implemented through technology.

But everything

is now in place.

And if we don't stop it in the next 12 to 18 months,

we lose the opportunity to truly chart our own course as individuals.

And it's up to you to find the way to spread the word and to be somebody who is very aware and walking in the gospel of peace.

If that happens,

We preserve opportunity, not just for us, but for the whole world.

If we fail, there is no place to run.

Come see our museum.

I've spent 20 years collecting these things to preserve them and to have you understand history and to preserve not only our history, but our culture.

And I invite you to join us

in St.

George next week.

I think there's only a few slots available next Monday and Tuesday, and then I think the rest of it's sold out.

But you can check out on the website, and that is unitedwepledge.org.

All the money goes, not to me or even our museum, all the money goes directly to United We Pledge, which they are building a Liberty Village, and it is really amazing.

You'll find out more on the website if you care to, but we would love to have you there.

If you can't make it and you still want to be a part of the solution,

if you need additional help, the book comes out in July, July 6th, I think, something like that, 3rd.

I don't know.

Sometime in July.

And it's called Dark Future.

I'm recording the second half of the book.

I'm going to try to record the second half of the book tonight.

The first half is done, and it's really, unlike the paper copy, this one is, this is funny.

Scary as hell.

But I tried to put a little sugar in the audio copy.

It's really worth it, but please buy the paper copy

so you have it.

If you can only choose one, choose the paper copy because you will own that forever.

Normally, you would check the web with an original source to try to find out if the thing on the web is accurate from the author.

And we're going to do the reverse here.

We would check the author's work on the web.

Amazon is telling me July 11th

is the reason.

I knew it was in July.

As I said, July.

I was pretty sure it had a one or something.

It looked like a one, like a seven.

Right.

Okay.

Unbelievable.

It's not what I do best.

Strangely, not what I do best.

Dark future available everywhere.

Back in a minute.

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Rob Rose is a member of the European Parliament.

He is Dutch and he is with us now.

And we were just talking off the air a little bit about your history.

Tell me,

what did you do before you got into politics?

I was an entrepreneur.

I founded a couple of companies.

I bought companies.

I merged them.

And in 2016, I sold most of my companies.

And,

well, that was at the moment.

I was...

No, it was starting earlier.

I thought it's not going very well in the Netherlands

with our politicians and the way we are heading.

You have the new Green Deal.

We have the Green Deal.

I had an engineering, I'm an electrical engineer, that's my background.

And I had an engineering company

in energy, so I know pretty much about that.

And also in telecom.

But in 2016 i sold the most of it and well i had some extra time by then and i

well i started helping uh a new political party in the netherlands and um yeah

you weren't you weren't a member of any party oh i i i sponsored them but i was not even um i didn't become a member of that party because it was a very intelligent young guy and he was very enthusiastic and i said i'm so happy that uh someone is uh picking up the the glass to do this.

And

well, but to make a long story short,

I ended up in the European Parliament and it's incredible what I see there.

It's all about gender, it's all about climate.

And

I thought that politics was meant to be to make people's lives better and not more expensive and more complicated.

I am

amazed that

people all over the world have put up with what they have already gone through.

We are being told to disregard what we see, disregard common sense, scientific method.

None of it makes any sense, and yet we're still kind of taking it.

You seeing a difference in

I see exactly the same, and that's why I'm here in the United States, to create

an alliance b b because it's it's our Western way of life is in danger.

Um

and I in the European Parliament I'm um the vice president of the the European Conservatives and Reformists and that's one of the groups in the

but it's it's common sense.

I it's what President Trump said.

It's call me a

conservative, call me a classic liberal.

For me it's just common sense.

And I have exactly the the same.

There is no common sense anymore.

What they are doing is

we're heading in a certain direction.

And that certain direction, that means that democracy is moving away from people.

It's all top-down

that

the things are coming in, like Agenda 2030, this gender policy,

also

this

climate policy.

Hang on just a second.

Do you have your phone on you?

Yes.

Can we remove it from the studio

or turn it off?

It's just creating a little interface.

Okay.

But go ahead.

Yeah.

Sorry about that.

No, no.

So

democracy is moving away from the people.

It's not what people ask for, and it's all top-down.

For example, Agenda 2030,

I was one of the negotiators on that file in the European Parliament, and

it was welcomed by most of all my colleagues and with a big applause.

But if you look at this 17 sustainable development goals, it's not helping the people.

For example,

zero hunger,

no poverty.

That's not possible.

Well, it is possible, but I'm from the Netherlands, and we have

the Netherlands is 16 times smaller than Texas.

We are a very tiny country.

And I will say, you're a wonderful country.

Yes.

And I love the way you look at things and the system works for you.

But you're not the United States of America.

We are the most diverse society ever.

And now, with the diversity that is coming into the Netherlands, it's getting dicey.

Isn't it?

Yes,

we have a lot of the same problems.

But that's making my point about this zero hunger,

we are the second largest food producer of the world after the United States.

I didn't know that until recently.

That is astounding.

But now they want to get rid of 50% of the cuddle,

our government, because we have a nitrogen problem.

It's too stupid to explain, because

if I tell this story, you cannot believe it.

But

also, we we have to get rid of 3,000 of our farmers.

But if you want zero hunger, you have to

produce food.

If we need more farmers,

but our farmers are very, very efficient and also

huge innovation.

And they are doing so well.

So it doesn't make sense.

Because if you look, they say we have to save the planet, but we have to produce that food somewhere else.

So

I mean, I don't don't know if they've noticed this, but a lot of people live where you can't grow food.

That's the point.

You know what I mean?

And so, when you talk about in one of the sustainable

ideas is to get rid of shipping.

Get rid of shipping.

Yes, yes.

Where are the people that live in the actual food deserts going to get their food?

Yeah.

And if you're the second largest producer, because they are putting the, they're just grinding the farmer here in America and the rancher into the ground exactly the same but you guys are ahead yes you guys are ahead we are the first and but we see this also have you seen that in in Ireland they the 60,000 cows they had to get rid of and it's also happening in France and in Spain already and I had a

very

wonderful discussion with Commissioner Sid Miller and he said it's it's it's also happening now in the United States.

He had an example of a family, they had a farm for

centuries, generation on generation,

17,000 acres, and they had a problem with the fence.

So they tried to

repair it, but there was still one nail not right.

So they took off this 17,000 acres of this farmer here in the United States also.

And

so they're making it impossible.

Yes, but it's also with the climate.

The climate policy.

We have

created our own energy problems.

In 2010, Europe was energy exporting, like the United States was energy exporting under President Trump.

Now we depend on, let's call them, not the most

friendly and reliable and freedom-loving.

That's the point.

So

we can produce our own energy very easily, but we make ourselves depend on Russians.

What is it going to take for people in your country, in our country, to wake up to this?

Well, this is the problem.

For me, it's the fight for freedom.

That's why I went into politics.

And what I discovered is this fight for freedom is not for

scary people.

You have to speak out.

But most of the people are captured in a system.

That's what I call it.

They can lose the jobs.

They need a job because they need an income

to survive, to live.

And

when you speak out, that was also during COVID.

whatever you think about that, but these restrictions were ridiculous.

But people kept silence.

Even the people in my own political party said, Rob,

you should not speak about this because there is no

political advantage in doing that.

I said,

but you called yourself a classic liberal and you're not fighting for freedom?

Yeah.

So what are you doing here?

Correct.

Classical liberalism is really, truly, I think, what could unite all of us again.

But it's...

a little frightening

to be in the same position that the world has been in before.

I mean, China said, hey, we're going to farm everything differently.

And that was, what, 11 million deaths?

Or was that 20 million deaths in their five-year plan?

Yes.

Then you had

Russia do the same, killing millions, but they knew better and they'd replace the farmers.

We're doing all of these things over and over again.

When these things have happened in the past in the United States, but I think we're different now and not in a good way.

The United States States always had the Bill of Rights, and so we had an understanding of what we were fighting for.

We weren't fighting for freedom.

We were fighting for universal rights that were clearly spelled out and opportunity to be who we want to be and pursue our own happiness.

In Europe, you don't have you, your left and right can be

fascism and communism.

And the sane people try to just play in the middle there a little bit.

You can keep both of those things away.

What does it mean to be a conservative in Europe?

Because I'm afraid of

nationalism and fascism rearing its ugly head again here in my country, but also in Europe.

Yeah,

I think we have a lot of things in common.

We have a shared past, and I also believe that we have a shared future.

Because the Western society in 1950 we were 30% of the population on this planet.

Now we are only 14%.

So the Western society is shrinking.

And we have, of course, an external threat.

You meant China already.

But

I think the most important threat is our cultural war.

And you name it left and right, but I call it, let's say,

the globalist and the sovereignist.

I agree.

And

the fight to,

yeah, I call it the fight for freedom because what we see is

free speech is under attack, the fight of disinformation.

I'm doing a lot of legislation.

I'm in the environmental committee and I'm also in the energy committee.

We see the central bank digital currencies coming up.

The The digital identity, if you combine those two,

you have a perfect way to control people.

Okay, will you explain that?

I think this audience, for the most part, understands that, but a lot don't.

And I think it was only 20%, if I saw a poll, only 25%

even know what a CBDC is.

And they confuse it with Bitcoin.

It is.

absolutely not Bitcoin.

So let me take a one-minute break and then we'll come back and have you explain what you just just said.

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we're with rob rose he is a member of the european parliament from the netherlands uh so explain

to somebody who really doesn't understand what cbdc is and how it will control every aspect of your life i i I can explain that in a very simple way.

It's not money.

It's a coupon.

It's a what?

A coupon.

A coupon.

It's a coupon.

And you can...

Wait, wait, wait.

Explain that.

Yes, I will explain that.

It's a coupon

because they can,

if...

If it's programmable, and that's the discussion now,

they can say,

okay, we put your money on the central bank digital currency, and you can use that money in that time of period and you can spend it on that and that and that item.

So you're boy, this is a brilliant way to explain it.

I never heard anybody say that.

It's a coupon, which at the bottom of the coupon, it always says some restrictions do apply, expires at this date.

Yes.

That's how you could, you can't,

and there's no way to withdraw from the system.

Can you imagine that we had

this problem in Europe with this Swiss bank, but also here in the United States with

SVB.

Yes.

And

of course,

if things getting out of hand and there is a bank run, then

things get nasty.

But if you have a central bank digital currency, it's not a problem anymore because you switch off the system.

No one can do anything.

Correct.

And they are in complete control.

You know, it's crazy is I've said this.

I don't know if you know who Ray Kurzweil is, but he is a guy I've read for decades.

He's a futurist, and he's part of

this transhumanism kind of stuff.

Oh, yes, yes, yes.

And he was talking to me about, this is 15 years ago, about the things that were coming and how we're going to be able to implant things, and you're going to have the two-way control.

All of it's horrible.

And I said, Ray, if you are keeping me alive by the things that I'm transmitting and you're putting into me,

What happens if I fall out of favor and you just turn me off?

His response was, oh, we would never do that.

Yes.

I didn't feel comfortable with that.

And Amazon just shut down here in Americas,

somebody's smart home, just shut them down for a week

because

an Amazon deliverer said that they had made a racist comment, which the tape shows didn't happen.

But amazon didn't even call they just shut them down you're no longer a part of this no if they say we should never uh no we shouldn't we will never do that it's our system is not based on trust our system is based on checks and balances and oversight so um we if and if you look at history we can learn russia

thank you Thank you.

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We have Rob Rose with us.

He's a member of the European Parliament.

He's from the Netherlands.

He is the vice president of the European Conservatives and Reformists and head of the delegation for the JA21 party.

What is that?

Well, this is just a new political party in the Netherlands.

We have 150 seats and we have 20 political parties.

It's crazy, but

it's not working very well.

Well, you know what?

Our two-party system isn't working well.

It's also a problem, but I always say we have to split until we have 150 parties.

Then we have a real democracy.

Well, Rob, thank you for being here.

I know you're in the United States.

You're going to to go to Washington and meet with some of our leaders and ring the warning bell there.

And I hope you find some allies.

We were talking about the farmers.

You told me off the air that you have, what, every two weeks, one farmer takes his life?

Every 12 days, yes.

It's a terrible situation over there.

These people are really desperate because what the government is doing to them.

Is it true they're taking the land away from the farmers?

Yes, that's what they're doing.

And it's also very crazy because

from nature, we are declining in population but we are growing because of migration we went up from 15 million people to 80 million people in the last 30 years 50 15 to 80 no 18 18 but it's still 20 percent and for a small country that's that's pretty much yeah and we have a lack of houses and but it's it's a huge pressure on our system But they need the land.

And what we see now is that

the farmers, because of all kinds of regulation, they can only use 90% of the land to build crops and etc.

And the other 10% is the government is saying

it's not allowed to do something.

It's your own land, your own farmer, from generation to generation, and the government is determining what you can and what you cannot do.

With the World Economic Forum, I'm sure we're on the same page with the World Economic Forum.

I don't know.

But

with the things that they are doing with just the WEF and the UN and all of our governments in bed with it, I just don't see

it's it's very Malthusian.

Well, that's yes it's a death sentence, what what's coming yeah, but this is what I meant in at the beginning.

I said democracy is is moving away from people.

Yeah, um, this is not what the people wanted.

We have a a a public-private uh partnership partnership, but it's it's not with small businesses, it's only with the corporates.

Correct.

And small businesses are s suffering very, very much.

Also during COVID, a lot of them didn't make made it because of they have to close the businesses.

I'm one of them.

And you spoke out early on COVID and that wasn't popular.

Yes, I spoke out because

I didn't believe in all these restrictions.

Right.

And y y young people not able to go to school, we're creating dumb people,

small businesses that they had to close because of nothing.

It ruined our economy.

We created problems with people, health problems, mental health problems.

One out of five was really in mental problems in our country.

And it still is not solved yet.

We're right with you.

Yes.

And

so

it doesn't make sense to do this.

Unless you're trying to destroy what you already have.

Yes, especially with small businesses.

Yeah.

Um, let me switch quickly here because I know you only have a couple of minutes left, but um

Russia.

Yes.

Uh

I don't know where you stand on this.

I'm not a fan of Russia.

They're not the good guys, but I don't think we're the good guys either.

I mean, our leadership, I think most people around the world are going, what, what are we going?

Where are we going?

Nobody's really made the case in a cogent way that this is critical and that we can win.

And what it looks like with a win, I mean, I think we're headed towards disaster.

In the European Parliament,

I'm not a fan of Russia either.

I think it's terrible what they did to invade a free country.

It's not possible to do that.

But

it's not not about who is winning this war.

It's about who is winning the peace.

And

I think we have to help Ukraine in defending themselves, but we also have to push them to the negotiation table.

And that is not happening.

They are talking Ukraine has to win this war.

You cannot win this war.

It's impossible.

Wasn't the Netherlands the one that

did the the report on what was the blowing up the pipeline?

What was that?

Nordstream.

Nordstream, yeah.

Didn't you guys do the

Norway?

That was Norway.

So, I mean,

do you think we did it?

No one knows.

Only a couple of people.

But it doesn't make sense for Russia to blow up his own

infrastructure.

Correct.

Thank you so much.

Any way we can help you, we have to have allies.

If the people in Europe stand up and the people in America and Canada stand up, we have a chance of saving the wealth,

the West.

But if we don't, and we're running out of time.

We're running out of time very fast, and that's why I'm here.

I'm trying to find allies.

And yeah, let's fight for.

It's not about Europe, it's not about America, it's about our Western way of life and our society.

As long as you're in the boat of standing up with people you vehemently disagree with

and let them have the same freedoms you're fighting for, you have an ally in me.

Thank you.

I'm so happy with that.

And I mean that from my heart.

Thank you.

God bless.

Thank you so much.

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We really are Americans.

We are really bad.

You have the American-made t-shirt for the American Giant on right now.

And I don't think he, I mean, he's obviously very, very smart.

I only speak one language, and it's English, and I speak it poorly.

He speaks at least two, so he's smarter than I am, I think.

I think he was impressed that you got the first letter of the country correct.

Do you think so?

Yeah.

Well, he's in America.

Norway, is that

is Stockholm a country or a city?

And is it in the Netherlands?

I don't.

Who knows?

Is the Netherlands the same same as the Nether regions.

Right.

And, you know, I said that you were Dutch

seems totally.

How does that mean?

I mean, you probably speak.

What about Holland?

Is that a different place or the same place?

Yeah.

I mean, I know the Dutch are from Holland, so what the hell is Holland?

Okay.

I don't know.

Did they break away?

What happened?

We have absolutely no.

My son was asking me about this.

We were talking about France for some reason.

He's like, so when you go to France, do you have to speak French?

I'm like, son, you're from America.

You speak whatever you want wherever you go.

That's how this works.

Yeah, and you tell them, I want to speak American.

Yeah.

Yeah, they love that.

They love it.

They love that.

But it's true.

No matter where you seem to go, I mean, you can always get away with the good old America.

Standing there in the castle looking at that tapestry.

Now, I'm from Texas.

Everything has a price.

How much for that?

How much for that crowny thing you got up in that special room up there?

I love it.

I love being from this place.

Oh.

And, you know, look, it's good to see, though, that you do have some sane allies around the world.

He seemed very sane.

I don't know anything about him.

He could be plotting the death of millions.

I doubt it.

No, I don't think so.

Yeah, I don't think so, but I don't know where his country really is.

It's hard to tell.

So it's hard to tell.

It's interesting to talk to someone, though, that because you feel like even here, it's rare to find someone who can see things clearly.

And to see that,

you know, as someone who's not only recognizing this in their own country, but seeing it across the world and here in America,

it's sort of scary that well, I asked him off the air.

I said,

is there anybody in Europe that does what we do here?

And he's like, oh, no.

And that's the big problem.

They don't have

talk radio.

They don't have real freedom of speech like this on radio and listen to it while it lasts, but they don't have this.

This is really, if talk radio and now podcasting didn't exist, where would you be hearing all of this?

Can you imagine how different we would be without talk radio,

without podcasting?

Yeah.

I don't think we'd be, I don't think we'd be free right now.

Yeah, and that's, of course, why they've targeted all these things so much.

I mean,

look at how much they freaked out when Elon Musk bought Twitter.

I mean, look at this.

Let me play something on

from

Kamala Harris yesterday.

The Roe versus Wade being overturned is coming up Saturday for its one-year anniversary.

Listen to what she said about abortion.

This is fundamentally about freedom.

The right to make decisions about your own life and your own body.

And this is a foundational principle for our country.

We were founded on the notion that government

should

at some point stay out of people's business.

Which point?

Is it just this point?

To say it in an academic way.

Oh, is that the academic way?

It's a legal matter.

It's a wheel.

right?

And when we think about this and connect this with so many other issues,

I think we all have to stand up and say that, you know, we as a nation stand for the principle of freedom.

What the hell?

Now, can you imagine?

Can you imagine if there were no podcasting and talk radio, you'd hear that and you'd go,

is it just me?

Because they'd be hammering that point of view.

Hammering it.

They still do.

There's just at least some voice to push back against it.

Right.

And that's insanity.

Wait a minute.

We have the freedom to do what with our bodies, what we choose.

Explain COVID, will you?

Explain that.

Because I don't think we have that right,

at least in your opinion.

She literally pushed, tweeted praise for a vaccine mandate, right?

That was

that was

eventually thrown out.

But she supported every little bit of that.

In fact, she supports the invasion of government into every single aspect of your life with this one exception.

This one exception.

What your air conditioning is set at.

What car you drive?

Are you going to have energy?

Are you going to have a gas stove in your kitchen?

I mean, every aspect of your life she wants to be involved in.

And then she can come out and somehow make murder with a straight face say murdering children is the one time government shouldn't get involved.

I mean, it's the most

incomprehensible thing.

They turn into libertarians for 15 seconds a day.

Unless

the elimination of people, the additional unwanted,

unusable, unneeded, useless people.

I guess chaos and gaslighting.

And there can be multiple motivations here but it the how even

stupidity right i can't come up with a good one

yeah no i mean

even you could disagree yeah you could disagree with me and and be for abortion but i i i think

and maybe i'm wrong i don't think most people are there with a good solid abortion should be legal argument.

It's just knee-jerk.

I'm for that.

When we were in New York, when we were in New York doing the show, I had lunch with one of John Stossel's producers back in the day.

And she was a really, really smart person.

We were just, of course, nerds talking, and we were talking about

libertarian principles.

And I was saying,

I'm a libertarian-leaning conservative.

And I think that's pretty much how she described herself.

And we've got into the pro-life, pro-choice thing.

And I'm, you know, very strongly pro-life.

I mean, it's really, really one of the most important parts of my philosophy you should not be I don't know you should try to get children to be alive he still has scars on his face from when I tried to kill him with a coat hanger right yes this is why

and she had a libertarian argument for being pro-life and she went through it and we talked about it and it was a coherent again I don't agree with it but it was a coherent argument for pro-choice for pro-choice sorry a coherent argument that worked with her philosophy Correct.

Which was a...

Angelette has made that.

Yeah.

It's basically an extreme individual rights viewpoint.

Right.

Which they call radical and unworkable.

If you go into extreme rights, like I believe we should legalize every drug.

These are the first people to say, are you out of your mind?

Can never be done.

And we got to limit this and limit that and limit this.

Yet

they'll agree with the libertarian who stands up and would make that case and say yeah well for these reasons i can disagree with that person but i can at least hear their argument go okay well i disagree with it but that makes sense what she just said makes no sense it makes sense if you have associated libertarian beliefs you could say okay all right look it's absolute freedom and you know what a baby can't survive inside one being cannot survive inside the other being without the help of the mother, right?

The mother is required to do something.

If you want to say, from an extreme libertarian view, they don't have to be required to do anything, they should be able to do something to remove that person, you know, the other person from them.

Again, it's a view I find to be completely misguided.

It's least one that on a good debate stage.

Right.

You can have an academic conversation about it.

If you hold views like, you know, we shouldn't have police.

If you get

we should have police for the IRS that are somehow involved in kicking down the doors of gun stores

and not arresting people that are burning our cities.

You really don't have a cogent case.

When you have a philosophy that is involved in every aspect of everyone's life from a central government, it makes no sense to have this idea and no one questions them on it.

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There's a few legal issues that are kind of out there that maybe we should I don't know.

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Talking to Alan Dershowitz, he says the opposite.

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Hello, Michael.

How are you?

I'm good.

Thanks for having me.

Good.

Okay, so we have, first of all,

can we just get your opinion on the the Hunter Biden thing, if you have one?

I mean, really?

Four years investigation, I got to believe if they were misdemeanors, wouldn't somebody at the IRS say, guys, there's nothing here.

You're not going to get him on anything but a misdemeanor, and it'll cost us millions of dollars, and it's just not worth it.

You know, now that the investigation is over, it's going to be interesting to see what Records Judicial Watch is going to be able to turn up because you're right, after four years,

this is all they can do.

What have they been doing all this time?

Right.

Why would you spend all of this money and all of this time if they're misdemeanors?

It doesn't make sense besides the fact that there are different rules for different people.

Yeah, yeah.

Is the case with the U.S.

District Attorney in Delaware, is it closed?

Or it seems like it's still open?

You know, I'm not 100% sure.

I believe it's still open but what is that may not be okay all right yeah all right so let's talk about um

trump's case um alan dershowitz is coming on in a minute and he's saying that he thinks he's in trouble on this one you said you're saying the the opposite

so

explain the case that they have against donald trump and where you think the bright spots are

yeah so

basically the prosecution of Donald Trump

with respect to the documents all started because the National Archives, somebody at the National Archives thought that maybe President Trump had some records that maybe he shouldn't have taken with him when he left office.

That's how this started.

And in the Wall Street Journal, I wrote a piece talking about a similar case that Judish Watch had against the archives when it came to President Clinton and his records.

While he was in office, President Clinton created these audio recordings.

And on these audio recordings, they had all sorts of information.

You know, they had conversations with foreign leaders.

It had discussions about

cruise missile attacks to get Osama bin Laden.

It had information that would be classified had

it gone through proper channels.

But instead, President Clinton kept these these tapes in his sock drawer and decided to take them with him when he left office.

And did he declassify them before he took them?

He didn't do anything.

According to what we know, he simply took them with him.

And

Judicial Watch wanted the tapes when we found out about them.

We figured, you know, these are presidential records.

These are tapes showing President Clinton being president.

So we sued the National Archives for the tapes.

And in that case, between 2010 and 2012, the Justice Department, the Obama Justice Department, took the position that whatever President Clinton took with him were not presidential records, they were personal records, and there's nothing that they could do to get them back.

In 2012, the district court here

in D.C.

agreed with the government and the judge in that case

and she said

it is the sole responsibility of the president to decide what records are personal, what records are presidential, and once they are taken out of the White House, there's nothing that the court could do to get them back.

Now, is that because I'm just trying to play devil's advocate, is that because

these were tapes that he made

and not

top-secret documents, even though they may may have contained top-secret information, but he made the tapes.

You know, it doesn't, Glenn, doesn't really make a difference because

not only it wasn't as though President Clinton was, you know, pressing record and going out and buying the tapes.

You know, based on he was doing this along with a historian and based on the historian's discussions about it, what he's told the public,

the White House operations staff helped schedule the interviews, helped prepare the tapes, probably went out and purchased the tapes.

And so the only thing that President Clinton did was place the tapes at the end of the session into his sock drawer.

And that's very similar to what President

documents.

If you look at the indictment, paragraph two says while he was present, Trump placed documents in boxes.

Paragraph four says when President Trump left office, he took those boxes with him.

To me, it's not a sock drawer, but it was boxes.

It was the same process.

President Trump decided what he wanted to keep, what he wanted to leave, and he took what he wanted to keep with him when he left office.

Okay, so

help me out on this.

Again, I just, I want to ask you tough questions because I really don't know legally where this is headed,

except all the way around trouble.

Trump's defense is that his actions were protected under the Presidential Records Act, but that act excludes, and I'm quoting any documentary materials that are official records of an agency.

So the indictment alleges that he had the information about our nuclear program, defense, weapons capabilities, potential vulnerabilities of the U.S.

and our allies.

Is it your

view that these kinds of documents are protected under the PRA because of the Bill Clinton, or is there more?

There's more.

The fact that the Presidential Records Act talks about agency records

is really a red herring.

Because as the courts, the D.C.

appellate court

here found that really the focus is are the records received by the president.

Once the president receives a record from the agency, it's no longer just an agency record.

It's now a record received by the president.

So it has a different status.

I mean, just imagine, it doesn't make sense that once

the president gets a record from the agency, is it like a library book and he has to return it within 21 days?

Absolutely not.

It's his record, and under law, he can do what he wants with it.

Right, and there are exceptions.

No, no, no.

It is treated that way with things like the nuclear code.

He has access to that, but it's in a football held by a member of the Department of Defense that's with him all the time.

So there are some records that do have to be signed in and signed out, right?

Well, maybe.

I mean, the question is,

what is allowed by the Constitution?

And these are questions that really have never been addressed.

The President of the United States is Commander-in-Chief.

Everything in the executive branch flows from him.

So there is one question on, you know, what limitations can Congress place on the Commander-in-Chief?

But also, there's a question of whether or not Congress can mandate and require another branch of government to do something.

And so

there are strong arguments that if the Presidential Records Act is what

some folks say it is, then that would be unconstitutional because it's placing burdens on the office of the President that's not allowed.

The other question under the Espionage Act is authorization.

While

someone is in office, while President Trump was in office, he was authorized to maintain that information, to maintain those documents.

If you went into the Oval Office, he could show show you that document because he had absolute authorization to do what he wanted with it.

So the question is, did he authorize himself

to take those records with him when he left?

Hang on just a second because

he does have the ability to declassify, but even according to his own words, in the indictment, there's a transcript of a conversation.

where he holds up a classified document to somebody and he says, somebody writing a book about him, see, see, as president, I could have declassified this.

Well, now I can't, you know, but so this is still a secret.

So he knew that he possessed something secret.

He knew that he hadn't chosen to declassify it as president, and now he's showing it to a member of the press, not as president.

Right.

And the question there, and I think it's facts that, again, indictments are just one side of every fact.

And

I don't know the facts.

You don't know the facts.

The American public don't know the facts.

But the question is,

whatever document he had in his hand, how did he get into his hand?

And I think we need what we need to do and what the public needs to wait is to wait until all the facts come out to see whether or not he was in fact authorized to still have that record.

And maybe the facts will show that he wasn't.

You know, I keep thinking if President Trump, after he had left office, somehow got access to records he didn't have access to when he was president, that would be

where a problem may lie.

Right.

But if the records were in his possession while he was office and he took an affirmative steps to maintain those records when he left, there are real constitutional legal questions about whether or not that was authorized.

Okay, let me give you a statement from Bill Barr.

And I'm sorry, I'm just playing devil's advocate because I want to hit both sides.

I'm going to hit Alan with the same thing.

Both sides hard because I want to see

I want to ask the questions that people are not asking, but I think the American people are asking.

There's a statement from one of not my favorite people in the world,

former Attorney General Bill Barr.

I want to give you a chance to respond to it.

He said, quote, I think the counts under the Espionage Act that he willfully retained those documents are solid counts.

They gave him every opportunity to return those documents.

They acted with restraint.

They acted very deferential to him.

And they were very patient.

They talked to him for almost a year to try to get those documents and he jerked them around.

They finally went to a subpoena.

And what did he do?

According to the government, he lied and obstructed that subpoena.

subpoena.

And when they did a search, they found a lot more documents.

They're official records.

They're not his personal records, battle plans for an attack on another country, Defense Department documents about our capabilities.

In no universe, Donald J.

Trump's,

do these belong or are personal documents of Donald J.

Trump?

There's a lot there.

To begin with the end part,

the Obama Justice Department would disagree.

So with the federal court

that concluded that once a president leaves office, it is assumed that the president chose to take those records, had designated them as personal, and that there was nothing that could be done about it.

And so just because former Attorney General Barr doesn't think those records should have been taken doesn't mean that lawfully they couldn't have been taken.

The other interesting part is Attorney General Barr seems to focus a lot on the fact that President Trump may have not

all the records that he had been asked to turn over.

Well, under the Espionage Act, that's irrelevant.

So even if he had returned those records, if the espionage is what everybody thinks it is,

then President Trump could have still been charged under the Espionage Act.

And

so this idea that it's somehow different because he still had the records really is just showing an emphasis that he's displeased or unhappy with President Trump's actions and has nothing to do with what the law actually is.

We're talking to Michael Bakesh, and he has litigated over 100 public record cases in both state and federal courts on behalf of Judicial Watch.

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President Trump is living in Florida or anywhere out of New York or the Washington, D.C.

area, because I think you can actually get possibly a fair trial.

Tell me about the judge, and

is it going to make a difference that it's not in D.C.

You know, it probably will make a difference it's not in D.C.

because once you get out of this bubble,

people think more clearly and are a little bit more level-headed.

But I just keep thinking it probably doesn't matter entirely where the jury is because these are complicated, confusing, constitutional issues that a jury is going to need to deal with.

And I think it can be very hard for a prosecutor to convince every single juror that President Trump had no authority as president

to remove the documents and to keep the documents that he wanted to keep.

I hate whataboutism,

but with Hillary Clinton and what she did with documents, putting them online,

cutting off confidential at the top of the record so they can be faxed to her,

crazy, crazy inappropriate stuff that she wasn't president.

She didn't have the right to even do that.

And even Joe Biden, he had boxes that I think it said took him two days to go through and his attorneys to pack them up and get them out.

What's the difference between those two and Donald Trump?

I think the fact he's Donald Trump, people seem to dislike him and want to treat the laws, treat him differently under the law.

I mean, there's no excuse for what Hillary Clinton did.

You know, I litigated for numerous years FOIA lawsuits, you know, against the State Department trying to get access to all of her emails.

We took depositions.

We had discovery into not only her close personal confidence, but State Department employees.

And in the end, we know that her attorneys went through and deleted emails that they did not want to return, and the State Department and the Justice Department said that was okay.

I have 45 seconds.

I don't know if you can answer this, but it's got to be a short answer.

When you look at

this case, and I just lost it, so I'm sorry I was just focused so much on the 45 seconds that I just lost the question.

But it was a good question, mind you.

So maybe I may have to have you back and answer that.

Hang on, Michael, thank you so much for everything you're doing.

Good luck.

Keep pressing.

Everything you guys are doing at Judicial Watch is so important.

You want to help them, you can go to judicialwatch.org.

That's judicialwatch.org.

Thank you, Michael Bakesh.

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Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

So,

when Trump was indicted last week,

I was on vacation and I was not paying attention to the news.

And I mentioned it on Monday when I came back, but I told you I wanted to really get the best minds on both sides

and talk to them.

And because

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now says this is real trouble.

And his name is Alan Dershowitz.

So I just had this is no big deal.

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And he says there's real trouble.

So let's get the real trouble side now from Alan Dershowitz.

Hi, Alan.

How are you?

Hey, how are you?

There's real trouble, but that doesn't mean that it can't be won.

This is a very, very serious charge.

You know, in my book, Get Trump, I predicted all of this.

I also predicted the indictment of Hunter Biden on minimal charges in order to demonstrate the claim that there's equal justice.

But the problem with Donald Trump is illustrated by that plaque that some people have in their homes with a stuffed fish on it that says, if I had only kept my mouth shut, I'd still be swimming.

All of Trump's problems come from his own statements.

What he said, the most serious one, is what he said to a writer who was writing a book on meadows in which he allegedly showed him some classified material.

He says it wasn't.

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You hear on the tape apparently rustling.

And I don't know what the facts are.

And saying, I could have declassified this, but I didn't, so it's still secret.

That seems like the government will use it as an admission that he didn't declassify everything.

If he hadn't said that, his claim of declassification would be very strong.

Then he spoke to his lawyers.

Now, I don't think those statements should ever be admissible.

Those are lawyer-client privilege statements.

I would be fighting like hell to keep those out because I can't talk to my clients anymore as a result of that ruling.

So I watched enough Perry Mason, and I know that's not actual law but you if you break the bond of uh attorney client privilege it you sometimes you're working with a dummy like me and i'm like i don't know what happens if we don't give him to them well i'm asking for your legal opinion

what if you tell it to a priest what if you say to a priest um you know i i know this would be a sin but I'm thinking perhaps maybe of not giving it over and the priest says, no, you must give it over.

or you talk to your doctor

all these privileges are now at risk as a result of this terrible decision made

by judges who are handpicked by the special prosecutor remember the case is in Florida but this special prosecutor brought these legal motions to compel the lawyers to speak in DC where he knew he'd get a more favorable court So he was judge shopping, and then he got his favorable rulings, and then he takes the case to Florida.

Wow.

And I would hope the Florida court would look at that in a very, very critical light.

Because, as I say, I have to tell my clients now, don't ask me any questions because I may have to disclose them.

I'm not taking notes anymore with clients.

I'm not turning over anything that

my clients tell me in confidence just because some court says, you know, and then there's this absurd thing of a tank team where if you say something's lawyer-client privilege, the government says, all right, we'll pick some government lawyers who have lunch every day with the prosecutors and who stand next to them in the urinal every day, and we will allow them to look at the lawyer client privilege material, read them, and, oh, they promise they won't with a woman

say anything to the prosecution.

That's what's happening now.

And Judge Cannon had the courage to write a decision saying, no, she was going to appoint an independent judge, a former judge, a great judge in New York, to look over the client classified materials of the court and said, No, no, no, no, that's special treatment for Trump.

No, that's what everybody should get.

So the

crime fraud exception to attorney client privilege, you don't buy into that here?

I buy into it in general, but I have to tell you, I've done 250 cases involving criminal defendants.

I would say in half of them, the conversation included some reference to maybe if I went to Brazil, I couldn't get caught.

No, you can't do that.

you'll get caught but you know the client raises all kinds of questions that's what that's why it's confidential correct it's the same as the

anything they want it's isn't it the same reason why we have the presidential confidentiality when when you're talking to the president in the oval and you're brainstorming People don't want to say things that maybe are unpopular or will say things that are maybe crazy in hindsight, but you're brainstorming.

I don't want that on the record.

I I want to be able to have a private conversation.

If you can't have that, you don't really have anything.

No, I agree with you.

Look, when I taught at Harvard for 50 years, I would say to my students, what you say in this class is confidential, and you can be as speculative as you want.

You can say any wild thing about criminal law.

You can make statements that you would be ashamed to have made public.

This is for a Socratic discussion.

And in Socratic discussions, anything goes.

The indictment doesn't ever mention the Presidential Records Act.

Or the word espionage.

Or the word espionage.

That's being thrown around all over the place.

Yeah?

So

where is...

I mean, because I have gathered from what I've read from you that this serious charge, and he's going to have a hard time.

Why?

It sounds like there's a lot of other legal issues to really go after.

There are, and that's why it's not a slam-dunk case.

That's why the case should never have been brought.

I said that you don't bring a case against a man, forget about former president, you don't bring a case against a man who's running to become the president against the incumbent head of your party unless you have a slam-dunk case.

Now, I think they have a case, but it's not a slam-dunk case.

There are these legal issues involving lawyer-client privilege.

The government doesn't have the piece of paper that was waved allegedly in front of this writer, so they have a hard time proving that.

They have to deal with the classification issue.

It's a winnable case, but it's also a losable case, whereas the case in New York is absurd.

Case in New York, the prosecutor should be disciplined for bringing it.

In 60 years of this, doing this business, I've never seen a weaker indictment than New York.

I cannot say that about the Florida case.

That doesn't mean it's going to end up with Trump being convicted, particularly since the trial is in a fair district, unlike Manhattan.

I love Manhattan.

I live in Manhattan, but you can't get a fair trial with Donald Trump in Manhattan.

Maybe you can in Palm Beach County.

Okay, so

let me take you through the crazy scenario that

he goes to trial in the middle of an election season.

He's convicted, sentenced.

What does this look like?

We've never, we didn't do this with Nixon.

We've never done this before.

What does this look like?

Hope we'll never do it again.

Nobody knows what it looks like.

The only thing we know for sure is he can run for president even if he's in prison.

Eugene V.

Debs ran for president when he was in prison.

Curley became mayor of Boston while he was in prison.

The Constitution specifies only several criteria, and the Constitution means what it says.

So you can run.

You can even serve as president while in prison.

That's not going to happen.

Judge is not going to sentence him to prison.

So these crimes, these crimes did not endanger national security.

They are not espionage.

The media is throwing around the term espionage.

The first thing that has to happen is this trial must be on television.

We, the American people, do not trust the media to tell us the truth about the trial.

If you watch MSNBC and CNN and read the New York Times, you're going to think it's an open and shut case of guilt.

And if you see other networks, you're going to see it's an open and shut case of innocence.

You know, I was a lawyer in the O.J.

Simpson case.

There was a poll that showed that people who actually watched the trial on television were not surprised at the verdict, but people who read about it in the newspapers were shocked beyond belief.

So we have to be able to see this trial.

And the word espionage should not be allowed to be used in the trial by the prosecutor.

And if he does use it, there should be a mistrial with prejudice.

Why is espionage, where did they even get that?

It's the name of the statute.

It's as if Congress passed a statute entitled the Child Molestation and Insider Trading Act, and they indict somebody for insider trading, and they go in front of the jury and say this man has been indicted under the child molestation and insider trading act wow the name of the statute it was passed in 1917 to go after war resistors mostly religious people who had a conscientious objection about going to the first world war and woodrow wilson passed the Espionage Act which had very little to do with espionage it had mostly to do with dissent and whistleblowing and all of the whistleblowers uh have been indicted under the Espionage Espionage Act.

I've defended many anti-war protesters and other dissenters under the Espionage Act.

And the government loves to use the word espionage, but there's no allegation here that Alan

went to foreign enemies.

Real quick, I've only got about two minutes.

We're talking to Alan Dershowitz, host of the Dersh Show.

It's a podcast.

It's great.

Also, the author of Get Trump.

Tell me your thoughts on Hunter Biden and what's just happened.

What's happened is we don't know.

If he just did the three things he was indicted for, then it's a fair flea bargain.

Most people who are late in their taxes don't even get indicted.

I do think that

filing a gun license application if you're a cocaine addict and not disclosing that is actually a more serious crime.

But that's a fair result.

But what about what he wasn't indicted for?

What about the investigations that are going on about Barisma, about those alleged 17 tape recordings, including two with the President?

What about

the

other information that we have, the laptop, a laptop top?

We don't have anything about that, and therefore I think there's a special obligation on this prosecutor to issue a report.

He has to issue a report to Garland, but then Garland should make it public.

So we should know whether there was an adequate investigation from what he was charged with.

The sentencing seems correct.

But if there was information that we don't know about that would incriminate on these other things.

Why would this thing take four

years?

Four years.

I can't imagine the resources that they spent for misdemeanors.

Well, the only explanation is that they did look into Barisma.

They did look into the laptop.

And

they looked at the internet.

And they found nothing.

But I want to know that.

I want to see that with my own eyes.

I don't want to read that in the New York Times or MSNBC or CNN.

I don't believe them.

I want to see it with my own eyes.

I want to hear that tape with my own ears.

And I want to see the trial trial of Donald Trump on television.

So I can make a judgment, and you can make a judgment for ourselves.

We will believe our eyes, not what we read in the papers.

I will tell you that you are a great example of that.

Just now, I had a different opinion of what you had said on Donald Trump than I do walking away.

Of course.

My wife had the same thing.

My wife came to me and said, oh, my God, did you see what they say you said about Donald Trump?

I said, that's the headline.

Read the article.

Read the actual quotes.

And she reads the actual quotes and said, oh, my God, you didn't say anything like that.

Unbelievable.

But CNN did that to me.

They doctored a tape of what I said on the floor of the Senate and made me say, which I didn't say, that a president could commit murder and not be impeached.

They just doctored a tape, and the Times believed it, and other newspapers believed it.

Now there's a lawsuit.

So you've got to see it with your own eyes more today than ever before.

Alan Dershowitz, thank you very much, sir.

My pleasure.

Thank you.

Always great to have you on.

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You know, I always say, don't believe your eyes and ears.

And here I did.

I believed the media take on what Alan Dershowitz said.

Well, you're an incredibly flawed person, and that's part of the reason why that happened.

I, of course, knew exactly what he said and was not surprised by any of it.

Have you ever heard the phrase, I'm cutting your salary?

Thankfully, no.

But

it's surprising in this particular job.

It really is.

I will say, listening to Alan Dershowitz, I mean, he's very good at laying this stuff out.

He's obviously a very successful lawyer.

Have you ever done, though, a long-form podcast episode with him?

No, but I should.

That would be fascinating because not only is he.

He's been there for so many important

things.

I mean, just honestly,

I could listen to an hour of him just talking about the

OJ thing or his defense.

I mean, we had him on when, you know, he was being accused by one of the Epstein accusers of really terrible things.

And we brought him on.

We said, hey, we're going to ask you the tough questions.

He laid out his defense.

We're like, all right, well, I don't know if he's telling the truth.

But, you know, we listened to him.

And she dropped it.

She dropped it.

And she said, I don't know if it was him.

Yeah.

I mean, that's pretty bad.

Can I ask so much of this stuff?

It would be a fascinating question.

Here's the one question I want to ask him.

Alan, you're in your 80s.

If the government was coming after me, my first call would be to Alan Dershowitz.

You're in your 80s, dude.

Did you raise up anybody?

Who do you trust?

Who would you call?

Is there anybody?

I hope there is.

I hope so too.

But how frightening is that?

That.

Name the attorney.

Name the attorney that you would really trust to really just fight all out and knows their business, like Alan Dershowitz.

I don't know anybody.

Question is: does he?

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