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uh chris licht is the guy who was running cnn and he came in from uh was it colbert i think it's colbert it was one of the comedy shows he came in from colbert he's had a long history working he worked as a journalist journalist at one point he's worked in comedy for a long time and he was the guy that discovery brought in after the merger.

They got rid of the old guy, Zucker.

They brought in Licht to run CNN to try to change the culture.

And one of the reasons they stated was we've just turned into basically an anti-Trump propaganda machine.

Yeah.

And they had.

And they had.

I mean, it's true.

That's not to say everybody there was always that way, but most of them were most of the time.

And it was kind of just, it had become absurd.

They had some good ratings at certain points when Trump was president.

But of course, when Trump isn't president,

that approach doesn't work all that well.

And the ratings had died, and

the network was having all sorts of trouble.

And Chris Licht's theory was to come in and make it more of a straight down-the-center news organization again.

Like it once was in the 80s.

And really it was.

It started out that way.

It started out as actual news.

At least that was the attempt.

You might have put a bunch of liberal journalists trying to do that in there, so it leaned left.

Remember Rush Limbaugh years ago calling it the Clinton News Network

in the early 90s.

I mean, it was definitely left-leaning, but so was everything else in the media at that point.

But it wasn't like it is now.

No, it turned into something totally different in the Trump era.

I thought he actually kind of did improve it a little bit.

Yeah.

I mean, they were making some strides at becoming more non-biased.

I will say I think they've they definitely improved it.

And in fact, I believe they've raised it to a solid D-min.

Yeah, you know, like again,

that's a huge improvement from an F minus.

From an F minus, yeah.

Like you think like, or maybe even a G, G.

It might have even been G.

G plus.

It was a G plus.

So again, I would say overall,

it's still the coverage does not make me happy, nor will it ever.

But it had, I think, improved.

I think the tone of it had improved a little bit to a point that it was at least notable.

Sometimes you'd actually see a conservative on the air who was making points that

were conservative.

Sometimes you would see a story covered in a fair and balanced way.

It wasn't constant, and I'm not going to sit here and defend CNN's coverage completely, but I think it was going in the right direction, which of course is part of the problem if you're actually CNN and the people who work there.

If it's going in the right direction for me, for Pat Gray,

for Stu Bergeer, for Glenn Beck, that's terrible.

That should never happen at CNN.

Yeah.

And because of that,

Chris Licht has been fired.

He is out at the network is the way they're putting it.

Now, what's interesting about this is about a week ago,

there was a 15,000-word profile that came out about Chris Licht, written by a guy named Tim Alberta, who is, I don't know, you'd probably say he's a moderate reporter.

Like, he's not a left-wing Ideology.

He used to write for more conservative publications.

Now he's at the Atlantic, I think.

Which is pretty left.

It's pretty left.

But, you know, sometimes the Atlantic employs people who aren't super liberal.

Like,

they're a a weird publication.

Most of the time, they're pretty reliably liberal, but sometimes they'll put people in there that are a little bit different.

And Tim Alberta is, you know, he's a reporter.

He's definitely been critical of Trump.

He seems to have a lot of, you know, he wrote a book called American Carnage a couple of years ago, which was an interesting behind-the-scenes read.

But you could tell who he has contacts with.

He's got contacts with a lot of mainstream Republicans,

very well sourced in that world,

but also, you know,

a lot of people had a lot of anti-Trump stories in this book.

Anyway, the point is that this, they gave him access.

Chris Licht gave him access for basically the whole year to CNN, to follow him around, to follow him to workouts, you know, to be in some meetings, to they had dinner a bunch of times.

You know, this was one of those efforts to get the big, glowing profile of the CNN turnaround.

That was the thought a year ago.

Yeah.

Well, the year went by, the profile came out, 15,000 words, and it was just

non-stop scathing.

I mean, it was, it was really, really rough on the guy.

Really, really rough.

And it was a lot of stuff that, like, you know, I would argue is somewhat petty.

Like,

I guess the last guy, Zucker, had his office outside of the newsroom on the 17th floor.

And Lick came in and was like, yeah, I'm going to the 22nd floor.

I'm going to be in a separate floor.

I'm going to put my office up there.

And we're like, that shows he does not want to talk to the workers.

It was crap like that.

And like, you you know, okay, maybe that was a bad idea.

I don't know.

You're trying to endear yourself to a new group of people.

Maybe moving your office to a different floor is, I mean, but I mean, also, doesn't that say that you're pretty petty as an employee?

I mean, who cares where your freaking boss's office is?

Do your job.

You know, I don't know.

Yeah.

I find that sort of criticism to be nonsense.

But one of the big parts of the criticism was they were upset about the Trump town hall.

The employees basically fully turned on him then.

Yeah.

Because they let Donald Trump go on the air and say the things he wanted to say that they didn't agree with.

And here's the thing.

Right before the town hall with Donald Trump, apparently word was that Chris Licht said to Donald Trump, have fun.

That's what he said to us.

That's one of the big, the big reveals in the piece.

Have fun.

Have fun.

Well, you know that.

And then unacceptable.

And the piece was have fun.

And then he did.

That's like the way it was a big dramatic reveal in the piece.

And it's like, well, you know, look,

they don't like Donald Trump over there.

I don't think Chris Lick likes Donald Trump

at all.

You know, I've heard some people describe him as a moderate.

Some people describe him as sort of an old school, maybe even like a New York Republican, maybe even, where he's one of those guys that, again, would be way more liberal than most of this audience, but is not completely against,

you know, having lower taxes or something.

You know what I mean?

Like it's not completely.

So that, of course, is a huge problem at CNN, I would imagine.

If that's actually who he is, that's a huge problem for him.

Yes.

How do you keep it together when you have such an evil, a group of evil around you, like a person who might like lower taxes or something?

So he was picked apart and that was a big part of it, that the Trump situation.

Now,

he even, I think, described the crowd he put in there as very Trumpy.

And it was.

I mean, look, it felt like a rally.

It really was.

It really felt like a Trump rally.

And sometimes you just have to take the L.

Trump dominated that event.

He won.

If you want to say wins and losses, Trump won.

He got in there.

He was able to completely handle the crowd.

He handled Caitlin Collins.

He really did.

He was good.

Yeah, he was good.

Again, you might disagree with all the things he was saying, but I'm saying just tone-wise, who won the evening.

He crushed him.

He crushed him.

And that was the last thing in the world CNN wanted.

They saw themselves as this bulwark against the evils of Donald Trump.

And here's a guy who's letting him have a voice.

Now, I think, Pat,

you're the historian around here.

In history, like what one thing we've tended to do was allow the leading presidential candidate from one of the two parties speak.

Just historically, wasn't that part of the way we approached it?

Seems like it

It seems like

that was part of American history.

That was my memory.

Yeah.

You know, and now all of a sudden, apparently you're not supposed to do that.

I mean, Elon Musk is hearing that.

You know,

he's allowing people to speak.

And it was also a huge ratings gain for CNN.

I mean, they crushed in the ratings that night.

And they've not been anywhere.

And Fox, in fact, when they did, didn't they just do a town haul with Trump uh they did recently and that didn't score

uh nearly as well as cnn's did

interesting yeah beat it by a lot yeah and so you would think cnn might have been happy about that but apparently not no apparently not and i and i guess the ratings have not been good overall though i would i would argue that would be expected right if you're what you're taking what you've created over a four or five year period was a bunch of uh msnbc huffington post bloggers watching your network right?

You probably have taken some viewers from MSNBC over the years, but you've lost a lot of people who want normal news coverage.

And that's going to take time to rebuild.

If that's what you want, it's going to take a lot of time to rebuild that.

People on the right or moderates do not trust CNN anymore.

If they ever did.

Yeah.

And so to bring them back into the fold, you're going to have to do multiple years of not even D-minus coverage, but like, I don't know, C plus coverage.

No one's expecting an A.

I am not expecting to get the coverage that I want from CNN.

I just don't want to be completely lied to every moment of the day.

That's all.

That'd be nice.

It's a lot to ask, apparently, now, though.

It really is.

Well, if he's trying to do it, you get fired.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You get thrown out.

Have they mentioned who's going to replace him yet?

Do they have any idea?

Well, they did bring in an executive right before this profile came out.

They knew it it was coming.

I don't think they knew how bad it was going to be, but they knew this profile was coming.

And so they had brought in somebody at, I want to say COO.

Chris Licht was a CEO.

They brought in someone at COO from like the corporate structure, a guy who's,

I mean, I don't need to get into all the details of this, but like a guy who's pretty more loyal to a discovery guy, right?

Yeah, I thought it was a discovery person.

Yeah.

And so the idea was, well, maybe Chris Licht stays, but this guy takes over a lot of his responsibilities and directs the ship and apparently that wasn't even tenable so uh really an amazing turnaround i will say in chris lick's defense he lasted longer than cnn plus oh yes a hell of a lot longer he got a whole year out of this yeah not bad cnn plus was just a few weeks

oh

he you take some solace into that you know and it's funny you know every

Every time something bad happens to like a presidential campaign, we've got a bunch of people running for president on the conservative side.

They'll have campaign shake-ups over the years, and CNN will be on the air over and over again to tell you the story about how pathetic those organizations are.

They will tell you over and over again when people get thrown out at other media organizations, particularly conservative ones, when they have Me Too scandals and all these other things.

And all that, every time you read one of those stories, remember there's five of them going on behind the scenes at the police reporting it.

Every single time, these people who led the coverage of all the Me Too stuff, years later, we find out they had all these me too things going on at the same time They had all of these accusations people being later thrown out of their jobs because of this and when you hear them cover it for other people.

It's just this high-minded I can't believe this is going on in 2023

and then oh by the way Yeah, we just fired our head executive for X Y and Z it's it's this happens over and over again and that didn't happen with Chris Licht as far as I know.

This is just a normal performance-based thing thing and he lost the staff yeah you know that's i think what happened here this profile again i don't understand pat why people agree to profiles and especially an in-depth one for like a year

why would you do that what are you gonna do why would you do that and i think what do you think that you're gonna i'm gonna be the one to win them over yeah and they're gonna love me i guess it's arrogance maybe because

i can't think of any other reason to allow it yeah i mean i think like no apparently people in cnn were like pushing back at the time saying i I don't know if you want to give this much access.

And his opinion was basically, I'm going to turn this ship around, and this is going to be like a hero story.

Yeah.

You know, I'm the guy who's going to come in here and turn this crap heap of a network into something good.

And we're going to want that to be documented.

And the person who wants that access always lies.

Yeah.

Yes.

Remember Brian Stelter?

I did.

Coming here.

He lied.

I mean, he was just a lying sack of crap.

He wrote a couple of good pieces about Glenn over the years as well, earlier on.

But bad ones as well.

And then eventually, Glenn walked off the air in the middle of an interview with him.

Remember that?

Yeah.

Yeah.

On TV, which is something you don't see that often.

But I will say, Brian.

Who got fired by Chris Licht.

Man, was he excited to cover this story over the weekend?

Oh, he loved it.

He loved it.

And, you know, I mean, I can blame him.

Yeah.

He's apparently getting calls from all the people who hated it.

Chris Licht at CNN, and then he was just writing it up.

And,

you know, again, this happens.

This happens.

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Some more breaking news.

I don't know if you heard the big announcement, but

it's official now.

Okay.

Yeah.

What is it?

What's official?

We have have another person to consider.

Oh my gosh, I'm so nervous.

In the race for president.

Okay.

Who is it?

Who is it?

Who is it?

Mike

Pence.

Officially

leapt into the race

just a few hours ago with a

tweet.

Hey, I'm...

Gonna run for president.

You know that thing you already knew?

It's true.

It's true.

It's true.

I i can't keep the lid on this thing any longer i know you're bursting with excitement

mike pence

is running for president yeah yeah yeah this is just days after doug bergham

jensen no burgers it's just bergam just bergam from north dakota

he's in the governor from the great state of North Dakota.

And he brings, of course, now, should he not win for some reason?

I mean, I can't imagine it, but should he not win the actual nomination?

I'm sure that the person who does can't wait to make him their running mate for vice president because you bring those whopping

three

electoral votes to the table.

Well, three.

And we should put it.

What if Doug Bergman could help

Bergham?

What if Doug Bergham, Meister, Meister Bergham?

What if he could help you swing North Dakota?

Pat, the Republicans are already going to

win North Dakota.

And maybe without part.

You think without Doug Bergham?

I'm saying if Doug Bergam is not on the ticket, the Republicans will be the favorite

in North Dakota.

And maybe that's because of the great work Doug Bergham has done in North Dakota.

Thank you.

Yes.

And maybe he's done it too well.

And so even if he's not vice president, they still carry the state for only the

what, 75th time in a row or whatever.

Right.

Whatever it's been.

I will say, look, maybe Doug Bergam is.

I don't, I will say, I don't know enough about his job.

Maybe he's done a great job.

He may have.

I will say, North Dakota's had a pretty good run here, and he's been the governor, and it seems like he's done a good job.

And there's a lot of Republican governors out there that are pretty solid.

It's a leap.

It's a leap to go from.

It's just that nobody knows who he is.

Yeah.

Nobody knows Doug Bergam.

This is how they know.

This is how you do it.

You run for president.

This is how you introduce yourself to the people these days.

And Chris Christie's running too.

I noticed you didn't even hit that.

Is that because you're scared of him?

Christie!

Yeah, I am.

I'm afraid he might swallow me whole.

Knowing what we know these days.

Knowing what we know about Chris Christie, Mike Pence, and Doug Bergham.

Yeah.

You're going Bergham.

I'm going going.

I am.

You're right.

I don't know anything about Bergham.

But

I'm Bergamfied.

The bergamentum is real with me.

Yeah.

And that particular.

If you have that.

If we have those three.

Now you're discounting Trump and DeSilvo.

I'm saying if it's just those three,

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But if you have those three, if you could only vote for one presidential candidate that announced this week, I'm in Bergham County.

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But again, I know a lot about Chris Christie, and I know I don't want that.

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He's done a lot of good things.

He was a pretty good congressman.

He was a pretty good governor.

You know, as a vice president, you didn't really learn much about him because he basically backed up everything Donald Trump said every single day.

Until the very, very end.

A lot of this audience really would like that.

Yeah.

Right.

I think most, so you'd think there's a rationale for him.

But then the January 6th thing happened

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And so there's no excitement for him.

He's not exciting naturally.

He's a very

speaker.

No.

And I don't know what...

I mean, he's an okay speaker.

Yeah.

Comes from a talk radio background.

He's, you know, but he's not exciting.

Not exciting.

He's not electric.

Yeah, and I don't think there's, I just don't think there's any appetite for a Mike Pence presidency.

Well, you're wrong about that, my friend.

I just saw a poll where he's at 4%.

Yeah.

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It is Pat and Stew for Glenn, who is on vacation this week.

So he missed the official announcement of Chris Christie is going to be bummed.

I assume he's flying back in.

I know I think he's overseas right now, but I would assume he'll be back in for tomorrow's show

to address the Chris Christie, Mike Pence, and Doug Bergham announcements.

He'll want to do that because he's missed all three of these huge announcements.

Yeah.

I know we have a lot of viewers and listeners overseas.

If you see Glenn walking around with his family, make sure to ask him what he feels about Doug Bergham and that announcement.

You know, I think he'll really appreciate it for sure.

Yeah, there's no question.

There's no question.

He really will appreciate it.

But in case you missed the big Chris Christie announcement,

here it was.

And it was about our country and its future.

And I wondered

what our choice was going to be.

Okay.

Were we going to be small or were we going to be big?

Well, I think you've answered that.

Come on.

It's too easy.

What is he doing?

Are we going to be small or are we going to be big?

The guy had lap band surgery, and he still made that decision very clearly.

And he's still.

What is he doing?

Big.

Okay, so it's a big announcement.

However, he went really small during his speech.

And here's some of the times when he mentioned that.

We're going to be small, smaller, and smaller, and smaller in every way.

Smaller and smaller in the way.

Smaller, smaller is getting smaller.

Being small.

Small, small, small, smaller, and smaller.

Smaller, smaller, and smaller.

Valdemore.

Smaller.

Smaller and smaller.

Smaller, smaller, smaller.

Smaller, small, smaller, smaller, small, smaller, smaller, small, small, smaller, small, smaller, small, small, small, small.

So small, small, smaller.

This is one speech?

Yeah.

Yeah.

One speech.

He said small that many times.

Yes.

40 seconds worth of small and smaller.

It's really weird.

Isn't that weird?

Yeah.

Very weird.

Who made that video, Marco Rubio?

Marco Rubio's just like, screw this guy.

If he repeats anything, I'm making a video about it.

It's funny because that was essentially the criticism of Rubio, right?

It was in his big debate moment in 2016.

The only thing anyone remembers Chris Christie's performance for when he flamed out embarrassingly, much more embarrassingly than Marco Rubio, we should note.

Because Marco Rubio took a drink of water?

Was that no, that was a different thing, I think.

Yeah,

the water thing was different.

This was he repeated himself a few times.

He had like some

sort of catchphrase.

I can't remember what it was off the top of my head, but he, in the debate, kept saying like one of those dumb political catchphrases, like, you know, kind of like that.

Like, are we going to go bigger or are are we gonna go smaller and he kept saying he kept saying it the same way and after a while after two or three times and Christy called him out on it and then he said it again and that was really what what kind of uh made that into a moment a couple things about that moment though

I think it's it was more Rubio having a bad moment than Christie having some amazing moment like All he did basically was say, hey, Marco, you're repeating yourself over and over again.

And we need people

who are going to speak from the heart, not speak from catchphrases.

That was basically all that was.

And everyone remembers it as this moment that sunk Marco Rubio.

Like, I don't know.

Is that fair?

Was Rubio winning that campaign beforehand?

I don't know.

No, he wasn't.

Rubio has heard this literally so many times he decided to address it yesterday.

And I think there's something to his point here.

and some parts that are not necessarily accurate.

He said,

Rubio said, any political reporter or commentator claiming Christie ended my campaign in 2016 is lazy or dumb.

NH debate sucked.

He's admitting that.

Because instead of hitting back when attacked, like I wanted to, I listened to advice about pivoting and not punching down on Chris Christie, who is at 7% and about to drop out.

But it didn't end my campaign.

Look, that is,

I don't think that's exactly right.

I think he did go after Christie a little bit.

But the punching down advice probably was real, right?

Like Christie was an absolute nobody in this campaign, despite the fact that he's kind of a northeastern type of guy and was supposed to do well in New Hampshire.

It's where he focused all of his attention.

Then Rubio goes on to say, after New Hampshire, I finished second in South Carolina and Nevada, which I would have, I kind of forgot, honestly.

And then won three primaries, almost won Virginia on Super Tuesday, finished with the third most delegates behind Trump's historic campaign and was re-elected twice by eight and 17 points.

So, like, you know, has Chris Christie got a better resume than that?

No.

I would say no.

Christie was, his campaign was much more of a disaster.

He just jumped out.

And then

because Chris Christie makes decisions that are always best for Chris Christie, I mean, I'm not saying

in a dietary sense, but I'm saying from

this,

sorry, I made myself laugh on that one.

From the sense of, you know, his political career, like, that's, he's making the, so he dropped out after getting slaughtered in the primary he put all of his attention to and was the first guy to endorse Trump and of course Trump who has a little bit of that in him as well who you know he he'll take you on if you're friends with him if he thinks being friends with you today I mean he did this with literally Kim Jong-un

when he thought being friends with Kim Jong-un was good he was friends with Kim Jong-un.

When he thought he was going to blow him off the planet, he said he was going to blow him off the planet.

When he said he was bad, he was going to blow him off the planet.

With Christie, he hated Christie until it was helping him, and then he embraced Christie.

And Christie was

embraced Trump, and they had this big relationship.

And then that fell apart, and now they hate each other again.

Right?

Like, this is just part of politics.

It's nothing more than that.

But I think it is a little overblown that he sunk the Rubio campaign.

I mean, that's kind of a narrative that has

outlived its relevance, I would say.

Trump responded to Christie last night via a tweet, and the fact that he used the word small so many times, he said he tweeted out, well, truthed out.

He truthed was on truth social.

He's not on the Twitter still, even though he can get back on.

Elon Musk has activated his account,

still on Truth Social.

But he posted, how many times did Chris Christie use the word small?

Does he have a psychological problem with size?

Actually, his speech was small and not very good.

It rambled all over the place, and nobody had a clue of what he was talking about.

Now he hates Christie, and Christie hates him.

And now, this guy that was very close to becoming

getting a cabinet-level position in the Trump White House, and that's what he wanted, it seems like.

Yeah, Attorney General, right?

Yeah, he wanted Attorney General, and he was not going to get that because he put Jared Gushner's father in prison.

When you put the father, is that an issue?

Yeah,

the son-in-law of the candidate,

you put his dad in prison.

And

Jared didn't like that too much.

Now, I think there's more to it.

I think Trump correctly recognized that Chris Christie is an opportunist and would have sold him down the river at his first opportunity.

I think Trump was very smart to keep him at a distance, even though he embraced him publicly.

I don't think there really ever was a warm relationship there.

And, you know, look, Christie is now coming into this race with this idea.

And the reason I bring the Rubio part of this up, Pat, is because

the argument for Christie being in this race, if you want to make one, other than he wants attention and to get on television, is that he's going to be the guy that's going to take it to these other candidates.

He's not going to be afraid of them.

He'll come out and say them.

Especially Trump.

That's what they're saying, that he's going to go after Trump.

And some DeSantis as well.

And he, you know, and I think this is...

a somewhat legitimate criticism that some are making, which is people are so, they walk on eggshells so much around Donald Trump because they're afraid to lose his voters that they don't really call out Trump directly.

It's a lot of like, well, you know, some people are doing this and I won't do that.

It's like, well, some people, what do you mean?

Some people

own large hotels with gold

and some people

own golf courses in Scotland and I won't be that kind of president.

It's like, we know who you're talking about.

Just say it.

Like,

if you want to run for president, be a man or a woman and step up and say, guys,

this is my opponent.

This is my competition.

This is who I'm going to be better than.

And this is why I'm going to be better than him.

If you can't bring yourself to actually talk about him directly, I don't know.

Should you be president of the United States?

And the rule of thumb is that you only talk about them if they're above you

in the ratings or the polls or whatever.

And that's what he was talking about punching down last time at Chris Christie.

That's what marco rubio was talking about well uh trump is the leader so yeah you i mean you're punching up and that is a real strategy it's yeah it goes back to i mean you know this from moring radio right like one of the things you do as a mooring radio host if you're in a company you go into a new market and you're you're you're the number two guy and you're trying to get attention for yourself.

You take on the number one guy.

You take on the number one guy.

You go after him.

You make fun of him.

You do stunts.

You get out in front of him.

You want people talking about you.

But if you're that big show and you've got this upstart down there,

the strategy typically is to ignore them, right?

Who cares?

They've got this smaller audience.

The more I talk about them, the more attention I will bring to them, the more people who might go to them.

Yeah.

And that's what Rubio was talking about there.

He was the big dog in that race as compared to Chris Christie.

And while he had a disaster in New Hampshire, he had a couple of good primaries after that.

I mean, it wasn't over for him.

If he had performed better in his home state,

he could have been the nominee.

The problem was they got to Florida and he didn't perform, he lost in Florida, and you can't do that.

No, not

home state.

No, no.

Same thing with DeSantis.

If he gets to Florida and he doesn't win Florida, which, by the way, the polls are not showing he's going to win Florida right now, way too early to actually matter.

But if he were to lose Florida, his campaign would likely be over.

Apparently, according to his internal polling,

DeSantis has cut the lead in Iowa by 14 points.

That's what is in Turtle.

Never Back Down PAC survey that was shared with Axios has DeSantis closing the gap between him and the frontrunner, who, of course, is Donald Trump.

Let's not say it.

Let's just say

the hotel owner with gold, lots of brass.

The guy.

Well, you know, some other candidates will host the apprentice for multiple years

Between him and that guy?

Yeah.

Has been reduced by 14 points.

In mid-May, before Santis officially announced,

he was at 24% in Iowa polling compared to Trump's 48%.

So it was 24 percentage points.

And now it's

it's it's 10 percentage points.

Take internal polling for what it's worth, which is very little to us.

That's right.

They're not going to tell you if the the polling looks bad.

And even an official poll that is very well done at this point means very little, I think.

I think it's interesting, though.

I mean, look, you look at some of these candidates.

Chris Christie does not belong in this race.

No, no, no.

And that's, I think, an important line.

He has not accomplished enough.

He has had a time where he probably did belong in the race.

I think 2012 would have been a time he belonged in the race.

You could argue 2016, but like now, it's just ridiculous, right?

I think, look, people like Tim Scott, people like Ron DeSantis, people like Nikki Haley, you know, Christy Noam, if she decided to get in, Greg Abbott, if he decides to get in, are people who have arguments, right?

Chris Christie has no argument.

He has no argument to be in this race.

And it's just like, this is obviously a vanity project for Chris Christie.

He's sick of being ignored.

He's been ignored and just made, made fun of for eight years.

And, you know, now he wants to get back in the spotlight.

And he can act like it's this big project that he's trying to save the Republic.

Nobody believes that.

Nobody.

Not even Chris Christie.

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In a minute, I want to maybe talk about this Live golf thing.

Holy cow.

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No.

But this is staggering news that the PGA and Live have merged.

We'll get into it in a few minutes.

Yeah, some of the most amazing pieces of hypocrisy perhaps ever.

Ever.

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And we cover politics.

Yeah.

We covered John Kerry for years, and we were amazed by the story.

That's

saying something.

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By the way, did you watch the Tucker Carlson thing that came out on Twitter last night?

I did not see it.

I heard about it, but I didn't see it.

About 10 minutes long, his first episode, I guess.

10 minutes?

Yeah, just like basically

a monologue of sorts.

Okay.

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that was it.

Talked about Ukraine and the dam being broken, and who was responsible for that.

He's certainly a believer that Ukraine is the one that did that.

And also UFOs.

He thinks Ukraine damaged their own dam?

Yeah.

Now it was in Russian territory.

It is a really weird story.

It is a weird story.

You know, there was some...

They had talked, I guess, at some point.

I have not seen this, but Tucker mentioned that they had talked at some point, the Ukrainians, about targeting that bridge.

However, Zelensky also talked about saying that the Russians would target that bridge.

You know,

I guess it just depends on who you believe.

And obviously, I mean, Tucker is a super, super big skeptic of the Ukraine situation.

So

not a Zelensky fan.

I think that's one thing you'd gather from his first episode, but has, you know, supposedly tens of millions of views.

What is it?

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65 million views.

Now, a view, again, a view on Twitter is you're scrolling past it.

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That counts as a view.

It's a weird metric.

That's not to say that 65 million people watch the 10-minute monologue, but the fact that

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it's an interesting thing Twitter's trying to do.

I mean, Musk keeps saying he wants liberals to do it too.

Come on over.

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We want them all.

And the left so far hasn't really taken them up on that, which is not a huge huge surprise, I guess.

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We have got to get into this PGA situation.

I'm not even a big golf fan.

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on the fringes, really.

I like to see if Tiger Woods won a tournament.

That's about as far as one of the first goes.

On a Sunday,

if I'm bored enough and there's a close last couple holes.

Well, you actually watch them?

Yeah, and I've gone to them.

Going to golf tournaments is fantastic.

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It's a really fun day.

I'll have to trust you on that.

I've never done that.

It's really fun.

Never done that.

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You don't like to consume alcohol,

which is a big part of the day.

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Sorry.

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Right.

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the

Golf League, the brand new Golf League.

It's been, what, a year, two years since this formed.

And they stole away a couple of PGA players.

Some big ones, too.

Yeah, Brooks Kepka, of course, Phil Mickelson, who supposedly paid $200 million.

That's tough to turn down.

And he didn't.

Oh, gosh.

I mean, I would go in the room with Khashoggi for $200 million.

No, I'm not kidding.

It's the type of thing that it makes you think, hey, I don't know.

Most people.

You know what?

He had it coming.

He had it.

You could convince me.

Maybe he's not a good guy.

I don't know.

What has he done?

I'm worried about it.

I saw a blurry figure in some security video.

Was that him?

I don't know.

I don't know.

Thank God the Saudis are here.

No, I mean, I think $200 million convinces people to do a lot of things, right?

I mean, it does.

And we should be clear.

From the beginning,

I stood here.

Look, it's a little silly, a little silly to sit here and criticize these guys for taking $200 million to play golf in another league.

If Saudi Arabian money is behind it, well, guess what?

Everything you buy comes from freaking China.

Right.

Right?

Like, you know, unless.

Hard to justify that.

Yeah.

It's hard to justify that, right?

Because the Uyghurs, for one thing.

Yeah.

For a hundred different reasons.

Every country, like, yeah, yes, Saudi Arabia has a pretty bad human rights record, but so do a lot of countries around the world.

Um, and I'm not comparing, you know, I'm not going to be the person who's been like, well, every country's done bad things.

And therefore, I think, you know, look, Saudi Arabia is on the toward the bottom of that list.

There's real problems there.

I can understand why people would be offended by it.

But, like, you know, when the NBA has deals with China, who's objectively

everything.

They won't address anything China does.

In fact, China is verboten verboten for players in the NBA to even discuss, really, unless it's in a positive manner.

Right.

You can only talk positively about China.

Otherwise, you're nearly kicked out of the league and you're certainly silenced.

Yeah.

Remember the general manager of the Houston Rockets who said something, and oh my gosh, he's

on a non graduate now.

All he did was tweet a picture of supporting Hong Kong.

Right.

And he was,

I mean, he was bludgeonized by the league.

Yeah, he was bludgeoned by the league.

Much, much worse.

And like, look,

in a global economy, when things are being, you know, do we think we agree with everything India does?

Do we agree with everything Bangladesh does?

Do we agree with everything Vietnam does?

You're buying products all the time from these companies.

Why is Gulf the one thing?

Every movie you go see has a deal where they're doing in another country, and they're giving tens of millions of dollars to other countries that have terrible human rights records, and they're filming there.

This is a ton of movies in bed with.

Is it Saudi Arabia or is it China?

I don't know.

Some crappy.

He got a lot of money from somebody we don't like.

Yeah.

I can't remember who.

But he financed Top Gun Maverick with it.

Right.

And you'll see people, and there were tons of them, on ESPN yesterday doing

criticizing all these TGA.

So

indignant about it while they're owned by Disney, who's making Mulan like in a prison camp.

They like went to a prison camp because the shot looked beautiful.

Like, hey,

let's actually use the slave labor for this particular shot.

Yep.

It's just so hypocritical.

So from the beginning, I thought it was hypocritical.

You're never going to be able to approve of all the bad things that other countries do.

If you're going to do business in an international way, this is going to be a constant struggle.

And the fact that just people like Phil Mickelson have to answer.

Every other business gets a pass, but poor Phil Mickelson and Brooks Kepka have to answer for everything Saudi Arabia does.

I mean, it's just insultingly stupid to me from the beginning.

It is, but the PGA made such a big deal out of it that you thought, okay, well, this is going to be a thing for a while.

And they're going to ban everybody who goes to live, the Live Golf tournament, which is funded by the Saudi Arabian Sovereign Wealth Fund.

So they're going to ban all those guys from the PGA.

Well, it turns out they kind of didn't because they could play in all of the majors, which is really the only thing they care, which is weird, and that's all they care about because they only have to show up to a few uh live tournaments to make 200 million or in kepkis case i think a hundred million yeah and by that's a lot of money the rumor was that tiger woods was offered 500 million yeah i heard eight 800 million and i heard it could they could have easily gotten them up to a billion and he didn't take it no now look at him like after because you know in case we haven't got to this part of the story they've taken it right they merged and so after how is it possible they were basically satan and working with the 9-11 terrorists and all the Jamal Khashoggi stuff.

Yeah.

Well, they killed Jamal

Khashoggi, the journalist, and we can't, I mean, that's horrible.

9-11.

Yeah.

I mean, they were throwing that around.

Yeah, they were saying that.

The PGA leadership was throwing that around.

They were saying, like, how could you do this to the 9-11 families?

And then, like, six months later, like, we'll take that money.

Are you kidding?

So think of all the dynamics here about you.

Amazing.

Amazing.

They said they would never do this.

They said you would never have to apologize for being, you'd never be embarrassed to say you were a PGA player.

And yet here you are, here they are saying, you know, the 9-11 families, you're not honoring their memories right.

And then they take the cash.

And the only thing that makes any sense here is that there's a meeting in Saudi Arabia and these guys are like, hey, we keep buying these golfers and their contracts for like $100 million.

What if we just buy the whole thing?

Yeah, what if?

I don't just buy the whole thing.

What are we doing?

Why are we screwing around with this new

league?

Let's just buy that thing.

And they're calling it a merger, I think, from PR, from a PR perspective.

Like, I think what's happened here is they lined the pockets of everybody who works there with so much money they couldn't say no to it.

Billions of dollars in place.

Really incredible.

And it's interesting, too, because the PGA had just rearranged everything to try to

be on par with Liv's arrangement with their players.

For instance, one of the problems with, you know, for people like Phil Mickelson and Brooks Kepka is that, hey, if we don't make the cut, we actually lose money because we paid for our own way here.

We don't get any money from the tournament.

And so we've wasted all this time and effort and money coming to this tournament, and then I get nothing to show for it.

Well, when they show up for the live tournament, they get paid.

They get a certain amount of money guaranteed.

And so the PGA started offering lots more money.

They started doing these different things so that some of of these guys could make, you know, not just three or four million dollars for winning a tournament, but $18 or $20 million for winning a tournament.

And of course, they had this money the whole time.

Yeah.

You know,

so it was kind of disgraceful they weren't doing it anyway.

But, you know, they're a business.

Yeah.

But they've done all these things.

They're technically some weird like non-profit, too.

Yeah, that's one of those things.

I don't know how that works.

One of the goals here for the PGA was to turn themselves into a for-profit enterprise, which, of course, you know, everyone likes to do that.

But I mean, you know, I had a friend who was sort of on the fringes of professional tennis years ago.

And he was describing to me his life.

And man, it sounded like it sucked, really.

I mean, like, you play, obviously, constantly to get better.

He was, you know, I don't know, one of the top probably thousand tennis players in the world, right?

Like to the point where he would be on the fringes of getting into these major tournaments and he would get some points on the tour, but he was not a, you know, a guy who was winning big tournaments, wasn't winning the U.S.

Open.

He wasn't, you know, doing anything like that.

He would get into smaller tournaments.

He would be in, you know, sometimes he'd be in secondary tournaments that a lot of the big players weren't at.

You know, maybe he wouldn't even qualify for some of them.

But he was saying that basically what happens is like you're paying for your own travel.

You're living three and four people in a hotel room.

You're, you know, you're getting sponsorships.

But the sponsorships are paying for rackets and shoes and shorts and shirts.

And he's like, I've got more of that than I'll ever need.

Like, I've got more shoes than I can ever use in my entire life.

But it was costing me money, and then I'd get a good run in one of these tournaments and I'd make enough money to pay for the next two or three tournaments.

That was it.

Wow.

So he's constantly living on the edge.

And then you get injured and you get zero dollars until you're healthy.

Yeah.

And this is a really difficult life.

And, you know, it's a little different, obviously, with golf.

Unless you're a big star.

Right.

But if you're a big star, it can be really, really, but, you know, a big star in golf or tennis, you're talking about what, the top 150?

There are not a lot of jobs there, Pat.

Right.

You know, so, and you have a bad year, you're gone.

So, you know, you can understand why these guys wanted, PGA's making money no matter who wins.

And so, hey, like, guarantee these guys something so they can continue to make this worthwhile.

And I think live golf really improved things for

those golfers.

And maybe the PGA said, look, we can't continue to keep paying these

amounts.

We've got to embrace these guys.

But when

your commissioner has come out and said, hey, you know, you can't disgrace the 9-11 families by going to play a couple tournaments with Live Golf.

And then, by the way, we're going to merge with them.

Like, how do you make that work?

I don't know.

How much money quickly, too.

Because he was just saying that to Jim Nance

less than a year ago.

Yeah, it wasn't that long.

And so

for all of a sudden, the PGA, and they, from what I've heard, and

they've kept this really quiet.

I mean, they were really secretive about this, and it's hard to keep a lid on something like this when you're negotiating with the enemy like this, and then, and your PGA players are out there bashing those players who have left the PGA for live.

You know, people like Rory McElroy, who has been really vocal until recently

when he decided, yeah, I'm not going to talk about it anymore.

I wonder if this is the reason.

Yeah, I mean, he was supposedly offered nine figures from

Live Golf, didn't take it, and then came to be the lead spokesperson basically to say how bad Live Golf was and how everyone should stay with the PGA because it's the only thing that matters.

Yep.

And, you know,

that's really rough.

This is from

ESPN personality,

Mina Kaimes.

She says, put yourself in the shoes of a PGA golfer who turned down the live money.

Over the last year plus, you believe you were taking a principled stand.

You've watched your peers accept, in some cases, hundreds of millions of dollars dollars to link arms with a regime with a terrible human rights record.

You may have spoken out against that record, and you've been told yours is a player-run organization.

Today, you wake up and you realize that was all a lie.

And it's true.

That's, although I will say, if you're working at ESPN,

do you have that same thought?

Right?

Like,

the same thing.

You are...

owned by a company who is doing business with the worst regimes on earth

and there's not a second thought.

They don't deserve, they don't get any of that criticism.

Look, I think you can just say blanket: look, I don't make decisions for foreign governments, and I'm going to go do the things that I do.

And if I draw some lines personally, I'll draw some lines personally.

But if you're going to make a big stance as an organization to say, hey, this other golf league is essentially responsible for 9-11, I don't know.

Maybe you don't merge with them a couple of weeks later.

Exactly.

It's not a lot to ask, is it?

I don't think so.

No.

And it's interesting because Rory McElroy is

just a few moments ago was talking about still having confidence in PGA Commissioner Jay Monaghan.

How is that possible?

I don't know.

And that, okay, we can't just welcome back the live golfers who defected.

What do you mean?

What?

Of course you can't.

How can you not?

They're your sister organization.

Right.

So there's two interesting questions here.

Wow, Pat.

Do they compensate people like Rory McElroy?

As part of this deal, does he get some cash for turning that money down?

I don't know.

Probably not, but he should.

He should.

And the other part is now the way those Live contracts were structured, it wasn't like they got a check for $300 million.

They were getting paid for these events.

If, as part of this deal, they cancel the Live tour, which is, I think, possible because it wasn't catching on at all.

And now they have the PGA.

Why do they want to keep this stupid side thing going?

If they were to cancel this, Do people like Brooks Kepka lose out on 80% of the money they were promised?

That would be a whole nother nother controversy.

Man.

They have really

screwed this up.

Seems like a mess to me.

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Yeah, so yesterday was a really good day, and he tweeted about it for Phil Mickelson, who was the first, I think, right?

Wasn't he the first major player to make the switch from PGA to the Saudi Arabia?

First catch.

I mean, Greg Norman was a big part of forming this former player, but you know, Mickelson was a big, big catch for them.

So there was a

CTF PJA apology that went like this.

I'm going to ask you about this.

There was a story that was first reported in the New York Post yesterday by Brian Wacker about a 9-11 coalition of families and survivors of the 2001 terrorist attacks.

9-11 families united sent a letter to the representatives of Phil, Dustin, Bryson, Reed, and others, quote, expressing their outrage towards the golfers for participating in the new league and accusing them of sportswashing and betraying the United States, end quote.

And that's gotten a lot of steam over the last 24 hours.

That story first reported again in the New York Post.

How much did you talk to your players about the possible ramifications if they sign on with the new league?

Well, I talked to players, I've talked at a player meeting, and I've talked to a number of players individually for a long period of time.

And I think you have to be living under a rock to not know that there are significant implications.

And as it relates to the families of 9-11,

I have two families that are close to me that lost loved ones.

And so my heart goes out to them.

And I would ask, you know, any player that has left or any player that would ever consider leaving, have you ever had to apologize for being a member of the PGA Tour?

Well,

now I do.

Yeah, yes.

God, it's so bad.

It's so bad.

You know, people always criticize,

you know, like

Roger Goodell, for example, like for being the commissioner of the NFL.

And they look, look at what he said, and look what he said this other time.

And this is just part of this gig.

Like, you're just going to have to just say, yeah, I said the exact opposite thing and just walk through it.

Just push right through it.

Yep, just push right through it.

I think his response when someone asked him about that particular clip, he was like, well, look, you know,

I said what I said, and we're going to have to talk about that.

And blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

You just got to push through it.

It's like you're like in succession.

You just say what you need to say at that given moment.

And you don't worry about the typical human need to not be completely hypocritical.

You just don't even worry about it.

You just push through it.

You can't.

There's no explanation for it from the PGA.

There's no.

What are you going to say?

What do you say?

They threw so much money at us, we stopped caring about Jamal Khashoggi in 9-11.

That's what I'm saying.

That's basically what you could say.

It's the only thing that would actually be true.

We never really cared about Jamal Khashoggi in 9-11.

What we cared about was losing these golfers because it hurt our business.

So we said the thing then that we needed to say then that would help us then.

But this is now.

And now we're saying the thing that is going to help us now.

They gave us a bunch of money.

And now we're going to say we love the Saudis.

And in fact, the king is the greatest human being of all time.

He is helping.

He is the only guy who he tried to jump in front of the planes on 9-11.

He tried to nurse Jamal Khashoggi back to health.

We love him.

We love him.

We love him.

I mean, that's basically what's going on here.

And, you know, I guess this is why you get paid millions and millions and millions of dollars to just walk through those typical human instincts to not do things like that.

Right?

That's why the money's there, I guess.

I guess so.

I guess so.

I guess so.

Fascinating to watch.

Oh my gosh.

It's absolutely astounding.

It's really astounding.

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When we started talking about

the Great Rainbow Panic,

you know, there's this idea that there's this moral panic going on right now on the right.

All of a sudden, we're just all worried about, you know, we never cared about drag queens jiggling their genitals in front of children before.

Now, all of a sudden, here's this moral panic.

I do believe these people.

We never did care about drag queens before.

No, that much is true.

Isn't that something that never gets addressed?

Right.

Why didn't we care all of the previous years?

Ignored.

Yeah, because we didn't care.

Go ahead and do what it is you do in the comfort and privacy of your own adult situation.

But when you drag kids into it, okay, yeah, now we care.

Yeah.

Now it's a problem.

When you're trying to introduce books that show cartoons of pornography for children.

Yeah, like we care about that.

We've always cared about that.

What we didn't care about is you doing a drag show at a nightclub.

They don't care.

Have you ever heard?

A bunch of 30-year-olds whooping it up over a guy who's dressed like a girl?

Yeah.

No, no, no.

No one cares.

Now, there is an additional layer to that, I think, which is just we're sick of the pandering.

Yeah.

You know, the Bud Light one falls into that category.

You know, like...

Dylan Mulvaney being on a can of Bud Light isn't exactly the same story.

It's a different story.

It's the pandering that's just annoying.

You know, like the whole Pride Month thing where everyone has to put out,

you know, two guys, like someone,

I think it was Pottery Barn today has some thing where they're like, hey,

here's two guys and their kid and there's their new nursery.

And it's just like

every company feels the need to pander to

alternative lifestyles.

And that's irritating.

And that's just like pathetic.

It's just like, it's the same, it's the type of stuff that we used to make fun of companies for, right?

Like when they would just be like, hey, we swear, we're Bud Light.

We've been talking to you about frat parties for the past 50 years, but we swear we really care about your transgendered issue.

God believes them.

And showing buxom babes in bikinis the whole time.

The whole time.

When nobody necessarily asked for it, but you just show it to us every day.

And now all of a sudden, that's terrible.

Right.

We're not like that.

Yeah, and that is just like an irritating cultural

pandering thing that is annoying to people.

But stuff like,

you know, having drag shows for children, that's not the same story.

That's like, we've crossed many lines there.

Our own Sarah Gonzalez just did

yet another expose.

Here, again, in Texas, of a family-friendly pride event where you're walking around, and it's just like there are, you know, sex toys and, you know, shirts with like, you know, all sorts of disgusting sexual phrases and pictures on them.

There's drawings and illustrations.

There's people walking around half naked.

And it's

family friends.

And she's done more to expose that than pretty much anybody.

But like, the media won't do that.

They won't even, they don't, they don't care.

They think it's psychotic to care about it.

But like, in reality, who's in the middle of a moral panic?

Is it us?

I think we have a pretty justified reason to say, hey, certain parts of this culture we need to push back against before we cross many, many lines that the vast majority of people are uncomfortable with.

It's not just conservatives who don't want want sex toys in front of children.

That's kind of like everybody.

It's like 80, 90% at least of people who feel that way.

But while that's going on, you have places like the Human Rights Coalition, which is a terrible group.

It's not fighting for human rights at all.

It's just a liberal propaganda group.

But they're coming out and they are participating in a travel ban.

for LGBTQ Americans to not go, or not a travel ban, I guess a travel warning to don't go to Florida.

Don't travel to Florida.

Don't move to Florida because they're passing all these really nasty laws that are going to, they are trying to eliminate you.

I hear people talk about this all the time.

Erasure.

They want to erase trans people.

They want them to not exist.

I don't know anyone who thinks that.

No.

No one wants to erase anybody.

We want to be honest about it.

We want to be honest that, you know, they're not actually men when they say they're men, or they're not actually women when they say they're women.

And we want to be honest about the actual truth.

but I'm not trying to erase them.

People are dealing with something serious there and they might need some help dealing with it.

And

they should try to get that help.

They always say we need gender affirming care.

I kind of agree with that.

I just don't think we agree on what gender affirming care is.

Affirming your gender is when you're a woman telling you you're a woman.

That's affirming your gender.

Not the opposite.

Yeah.

Not when you're born with male genitals and you're telling them that they're a girl.

That's not affirming the gender.

That's telling them the opposite of what their gender is.

And these are the things that the right has been upset about.

Exactly, especially when it comes to kids.

Because the radical agenda of the left and of the trans and gay movement is doing just that.

They're trying to redefine genders, they're trying to redefine truth, they're trying to redefine our civilization.

I mean, they've changed our language,

they've made pronouns a big deal now, all of a sudden.

They've attacked women in sports.

They've ignored women's and girls' rights in bathrooms and locker rooms.

And these are the things that we're worried about.

I don't care about a drag show for adults.

If that's what you want to do, go ahead.

And I don't care if you want to identify as a woman, but don't make me identify you as a woman when you're a man.

And don't try to go into a woman's restroom as a man, pretending to be a woman.

These are basic, just basic, basic things.

And, you know, I think it's important to note that it's not really that the left cares about any of these issues per se.

What they care about is upending our entire civilization.

And this is how you do it.

When you overturn things like men are men and women are women, and you're able to convince people that there basically is no truth, there is no standard, there is no norm.

When you get rid of all of those things, your society basically collapses.

And that's, of course, the actual goal of of the left.

They want

the idea of America to go away.

And after calling us the ones who are science deniers, and here they are literally, literally denying science and biology and reality.

But

we're the ones.

Yeah, we're the ones.

So

the HRC, the Human Rights Coalition, has issued a national state of emergency.

for LGBTQ plus people.

Now, I don't know why they didn't add the extra Q, the I, the A, or the 2.

I don't know why.

They don't like those groups.

Insensitive.

Insensitive.

Not inclusive.

Not inclusive.

And what about that second Q?

It doesn't get mentioned nearly enough.

Yeah.

So have you left out queers or have you left out the questioning?

Why?

I don't know.

But one of the two has been eliminated from your group.

Here's what their statement said.

This is amazing, Pat.

We have officially declared a state of emergency for LGBTQ plus people in the United States for the first time, following an unprecedented and dangerous spike in anti-LGBTQ plus legislative assaults,

sweeping state houses this year.

More than 75 anti-LGBTQ bills have been signed into law this year alone, more than doubling last year's number, which, by the way, isn't what they are.

No, of course not.

They're totally fraudulent.

And in fact, they actually list what they are.

And, you know,

they say our community is in danger, blah, blah, blah.

So there's a national state of warning.

By the way, some of the things that we're talking about here are like the bathroom laws.

If women can go into men's bathroom or vice versa, that's an anti-LGBTQ law.

They have the pronoun refusal law, the anti-drag ban, which again, there is no state in.

For children.

For children.

Which they conveniently leave that part out.

The gender-affirming care ban.

Again, that's not what that is.

Smutilating children again.

I like this one.

The sports participation ban.

Yep, we just, yeah,

can't play any sport.

They just

banned all sports in these states, Pat.

Wow.

Which is a problem for straight people, you'd think, too, but apparently not.

No.

But

I was thinking about this.

It's like, have we lived, don't we live in a country

where things are pretty good for LGBTQQIA2 plus people?

Yes.

Isn't it pretty good?

It's better than pretty good.

Like, because when you say it's bad, you have to

have a follow-up question.

And that question is, as opposed to what?

Yeah.

As opposed to San Francisco?

As opposed to some utopia you think you've built that is apparently covered the streets in human excrement all the time, but you think it's great?

Like, what is, as opposed to what?

What country are you comparing this to?

So there's a new poll out.

This is from

Gallup.

And

they surveyed people in 146 countries and asked them, hey, is your environment a good welcoming place for,

I think they say gay or lesbian people?

So only the L or the G, I guess.

But it's so non-inclusive.

It's non-inclusive, but it's an old poll.

They've been asking it for a very long time, which is an important part of this.

So they asked the people about that and they came up with some pretty interesting results.

Globally, 50% of people say their area is a good area for LGBTQQIA 2 plus people to live.

50%.

What's the number in the U.S.?

Now, remember, there's a national state of emergency for LGBTQ people.

So you'd think it would be lower than the global average, certainly.

Maybe it's at 0%.

Maybe that's a good time for an emergency.

But no, no.

That number is 80%.

80% of people say this is a good place for people with alternative lifestyles

to live.

It's a

good place.

Now, that number is higher than tons and tons of countries.

I believe we're 15th overall in the world.

15th highest in the world.

There are a couple of companies.

Norway's at 92%.

They're number one.

Sweden is number two at 91%.

The Netherlands at 90%.

And Iceland at 88%.

We are tied with Belgium.

Now, does Belgium have a national state of emergency for LGBTQ acceptance?

I'm guessing no.

I'm not positive positive on that, but my guess would be no.

My guess is no as well.

And we're right next to Denmark and a bunch of these supposedly enlightened European countries.

By the way,

the lowest on there,

you want to talk about emergencies?

There are some countries you might actually state are emergencies because we are basically tied with Belgium, Finland, Denmark, New Zealand.

I mean, these are countries that the left holds up as beacons of hope for their values.

Malawi, maybe not quite as good.

3% say it's a good place for gay people to live.

Senegal, 3%.

Armenia, 4%.

Kazakhstan, 4%.

It goes all the way up.

There's about, I don't know, 10 or 15 countries under 10%.

Isn't it illegal in Russia?

Didn't they?

Yeah, and Russia's not even on the bottom list.

Wow.

Prussia apparently is higher, and it's actually illegal to do.

The point is that

we agree, and it's fundamentally part of our country and its foundation, that we believe that people who have different, make different lifestyle choices, who have different sexual orientations, who do all sorts of different things get equal rights.

We all, that is part of the foundation of our country and it's true and it's happening.

It is, it wasn't always true.

We've had certainly dark periods when it comes to that, but it's true now.

Equal rights are what we're talking about.

Um, and this is a place that, generally speaking, people don't care what you do, we don't care if you're going out and going into a nightclub and having a drag show.

Nobody cares.

There are restaurants in New York City that, like, you can go and dine at the restaurant and then part, and all the waiters are in drag, and people think that's entertaining.

Okay,

fine, fine, okay, good luck with that.

If you're doing a sexually themed drag show with

pornographic images, with sex toys, and you're inviting children to it.

That's a problem.

That's a problem.

It's not a problem for conservatives.

A problem should be for everybody.

I think it should be the rest of us declaring a state of emergency right now.

It's the rest of society.

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You know, here we are in Pride Month, and the Discovery Channel is about to do a

show about Abe Lincoln

and that he was, in fact, gay.

Abe Lincoln was.

Abe Lincoln.

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

The Discovery Channel.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Now, are you saying

you're not going to?

I mean, the hat was pretty gay, Pat.

Right?

It's a gay hat.

Now, they claim that the only reason he married Mary

was because she was a beard.

Yeah, I've heard this before.

I mean, this has been floating around for a while.

I don't think serious historians believe it, though, right?

No,

I don't think so.

I'm not sure who they got to make the claim here.

1619 Project people?

Maybe.

Get them over there to help out with that one.

One of the reasons that it's alleged is because I guess,

you know, in the 1800s, men sometimes slept with men, but they actually slept.

Yeah, but it was for warmth because you don't have necessarily indoor heating.

Did it change a little bit on that one?

Yeah.

It was cold.

Yeah.

And so you would sleep together

and keep warm, I guess.

That way.

You know, snuggle time is the best time, Pat.

That's what I always say.

But according to Professor Scott Thompson from the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts,

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Make no mistake, Abe Lincoln was gay.

Yeah, I'm going to say no.

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Oh,

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Yeah, yeah.

It's awesome.

We mentioned that their discovery, I guess, in celebration of Pride Month is doing a thing on Abe Lincoln supposedly being gay.

But also, Elliot Page

is being compared to Jussie Smollett over an alleged transphobic attack.

I mean, it does sound a bit fishy here.

Okay.

Why does it sound fishy?

We all know that all transgendered people are attacked daily.

Daily.

Every single day by haters.

Yeah.

Transphobes.

Disproportionately victims of horrible crimes.

And, you know, you can look at some of the numbers.

We've mentioned this, I think, maybe earlier this week, but for those who missed it,

you can look at some of the the numbers and see higher rates of murder for transgendered people.

Now, of course, part of that is they're a very small percentage of the population, very small.

So a few murders, you know, makes the average rate go up quite a bit.

But I was talking to somebody the other day who's writing a book, Chad Felix Green is writing a book about this.

And

he went back and looked at every murder, every murder of a transgendered person over the past, I think it was like 30 or 40 years.

And

what he wound up finding is that in the overwhelming majority of the cases

the situation related to the murder of the transgender person was not the one the media would promote for example they would say okay it's a bunch of charlottesville type people with their torches and they're chasing down trans

trans people in the streets and beating them up and killing them just because they're trans uh transgendered that's what you're led to believe that's what you're led to believe the actual circumstance in almost all of these cases is

related to often a sexually a sexual

encounter, often for money,

prostitution,

sex industry, where

a person

represents themselves as one gender.

And when the sexual activity begins, the person who's with them discovers they're the other gender.

So they go in there thinking they're hooking up with a girl and wind up they're hooking up with a boy.

That's basically where the overwhelming majority of these cases come from, often in

incidents involving prostitution.

So you have a John who's paid for a woman to come to his home or meet in a hotel room.

And that,

you know, as the process goes on,

the person finds out it's not a woman at all.

It's actually a man dressed as a woman.

And that is a little disturbing for some people.

There was a movie about that.

Was it called Crying Gang?

It was the Crying guy yeah yeah yeah i can't remember maybe in the 90s yeah i think yeah and uh somebody was really surprised it was a really famous scene and i didn't see the movie but i heard much about it and apparently the person was quite surprised and didn't take it take it very well i don't think most people would most people would now i will say this if they're expecting a girl and it's a guy yeah yeah when you might be disappointed to a certain area and you find that out it says it can be a little it could be a little jarring a little disconcerting i will say if this has happened to you the appropriate response is not to kill the person.

Right, right.

That's that's we can be all quite clear on that.

You might have many responses, but killing the person is not a good idea.

No, um, however, that is totally different than what we've been told about this problem.

Yeah, so the violence against trans people, make sure you understand the context of what they're talking about when they say these statistics over code.

Sorry to interrupt, Pat.

No, but that's it's good context.

Um, in this particular case, apparently, uh,

Elliot Page, who used to be Ellen, I don't want to dead name Elliot, but that used to be, that was the name that she was born with.

She is now a healer.

That is her name until she changed her name legally, which you can do.

To Elliot.

Yeah.

People are like, oh, I'm not going to call

her a him.

And I think that's totally fair.

Like, that is, you are judging a factual truth.

I will say, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar is his name, right?

Right.

It's not Lou Al Cinder anymore.

He changed it legally.

It's okay to call him Kareem Abdul Jabbar.

I think it's like, look, he changed his name to Elliot Page, whatever.

I can, you know, you want to call him,

you know, Bruce Jenner, you want to call him Caitlin Jenner?

That's fine.

Like, he changed his name.

That is different than saying that he is a woman, which he is not.

Right.

Right.

Okay.

So

Elliot claims that

an A-list actor

once said to her, I'm going to effing gay bash you and then used the F-word referring to homosexuals.

And,

you know, it sounds offensive, but it also sounds not real to me.

I mean,

I don't know, maybe A-list actors talk like that.

Most normal human beings just don't.

Hard to believe.

Now, you want to tell me that some random person on the street, they're drunk, they blurt out some terrible thing to a famous person.

I could, I could buy it.

Still, I don't think it happens very often, but it's possible, certainly some random person.

But you're talking about an A-list actor?

I don't know who they're saying this is.

Of course, they won't tell you who it is because then you could check on it.

Right.

But come on.

Really?

It seems unlikely.

Now, I will say, A-list actors are among the worst people in our society.

So it's possible

that it's true.

Yeah.

I mean, like,

go back to the Me Too movement.

We got a lot of criticism on conservatives over the Me Too movement that we didn't understand.

I don't know.

They seem to all come from Hollywood.

Are there a lot of conservatives out there?

How conservative was Harvey Weinstein?

I don't remember.

I mean, it's just, you know, it's nonsensical that they always try to push this off on conservatives.

It is.

And it's amazing that

Elliot Page just so happens to have a book coming out with this contained in it.

And so now this is coming out all of a sudden with the book arrival.

Huh.

I wonder if that might have something to do with it.

So anyway, people were a little skeptical of this on Twitter.

And one person tweeted out that, yeah, right after that, he yelled, this is MAGA country.

Comparing it, obviously, to Jussie Smollett, which is a pretty good comparison, I think.

It does seem like

a hoax.

It would be very, very surprising.

And of course, you know, you can't fact-check it.

You don't know because you don't know who the person is.

You can't ask every A-list

Hollywood celebrity whether they did this.

And there's no evidence.

And it's just the, it's just like, this is, this is what the media does all the time.

They want you to believe this is the case.

When in reality, you know, Ellen Page, Elliot Page, walks down the street every day.

And probably is probably most people, honestly, probably don't even know who she is.

Because frankly, she was in a couple of really good movies.

I mean, Juno is a good movie.

It's a legitimately good movie.

And I swear, this is the reason why all this happened.

This is my theory.

Now, let me get to the doctor.

Can we go to Dr.

Stuland here for just a second?

Sure.

Just analyze the situation because I have a lot of medical information.

Because wasn't Juno fairly...

It's a pro-life.

It's a life movie.

They would never say that.

They did not want it to be a pro-life movie.

But Juno is a really well-written, good movie, and also is blatantly pro-life.

It makes you feel

like

you shouldn't kill the child inside of you.

That is the feeling you will get from this movie because, you know, and she goes, I mean, it's been a while since I've seen it, but like at one point, there's like an abortion protester who

they don't portray as horrible.

They don't portray as hateful.

It's like a girl, a younger girl, a teenage girl who's protesting at the abortion clinic and runs into Ellen Page as she walks into the abortion clinic and says

something like, do you know they have fingernails?

It's something like, really?

I mean, it's a funny movie.

It's supposed to, it's comedy.

Yeah.

But like, do you know they have fingernails?

She's like, what?

You know, they have fingernails?

If you're going into abortion, like, you're aborting something with fingernails.

It's something, it's some weird line like that.

That is kind of weird.

And it makes her consider, wait, what am I doing here?

And she winds up, of course, going through this process and having the child

when she would not have before.

Yeah.

And it was because of the fingernail line.

I think it was fingernails.

It was fingernails or eyelashes.

It was some weird, something like that.

It made her think about it differently.

And the movie, though, like goes through and takes you through this journey of this teenager who thinks she shouldn't have this kid and winds up making a good decision.

I swear

the fact that all of us have said it's a pro-life movie all this time is the reason all this has happened to Ellen Page.

Like she was a liberal.

She didn't mean to make a pro-life movie.

And everyone's like, holy crap, this is a pro-life movie.

Good job, Ellen Page.

From all the people she didn't want to get good job from.

And the rest of her life has been compensating for this decision she made, which was actually a really good artistic decision and a really good moral decision, but to her apparently did not, did not play out that way.

Another show.

Let's do analysis.

Another show

where

she was a she at the time.

He was a she at the time.

And she still is, of course, a she.

Yeah, of course.

Still has the

same chromosomes

that...

that she was born with.

The central part of what makes you a man or a woman.

Also, she's had the surgery on top, but not on the bottom.

Oh, really?

I don't even know that.

Yeah, physically, still a woman.

But she's in the Umbrella Academy.

Have you ever seen that Umbrella Academy?

I have not seen it.

It's actually, I watched the first season.

I haven't seen the second or third.

And I think there's three seasons now, but it's a pretty good series.

started out as a woman and then transitioned, and I think they wrote it into the second season, becomes a man during the show.

So they had to

explain that.

Yeah, it's quite a plot twist, and I don't know if they planned on that.

I'm guessing when you're sketching out the series, you probably don't plan on the actor becoming a different gender.

So

they had to account for it.

That's a real one to account for.

In succession,

Shiv, one of the main characters, got pregnant and did the last season Pregnant.

And so they had to figure out how to write.

it was noticeable, right?

So you had to kind of address it.

And so they did.

They wrote that into the plot.

That one's a lot easier than the

becoming a man.

Yeah, like that's a big, yeah, it's a big thing.

And like, my understanding of the way the crazies want to treat this stuff is you're almost not supposed to notice, right?

You're just supposed to say that's how it always was, right?

Like, if you were to say Ellen Page starred in Juneau, they would say you're dead naming this person.

Yeah.

But in reality, Ellen Page did did star in Juneau.

That's who it was.

Right.

Now, you might say the name now is Elliot, but at the time, it was Ellen.

That was her name.

Just like Bruce Jenner

was an Olympic athlete, and he's the one that accomplished all of those things.

And you're not deadnaming Bruce Jenner when you say that Bruce Jenner won gold medals.

Right, he did.

Because it was Bruce Jenner.

It wasn't Caitlin Jenner who won the medals.

You want to change your name later on, then the things you accomplish as that new name can be called that.

But like

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar,

you know,

didn't win all those titles with UCLA, right?

Was it was Lou Al Cinder?

Yes.

Right?

The whole time.

The whole time.

Yeah.

That happened when he was in the NBA.

That's not a knock on his name or who he is today.

It's just true.

This is the problem.

We're constantly asked not only to look the other way at a falsehood, but to participate in it and celebrate it.

We have a whole month here where we're supposed to be acting as if things that aren't true are true.

And then, of course, the other 11 months, you're supposed to do the same thing.

Maybe not celebrate it as much.

Maybe it's not, maybe it's not as much stuff at the front of target, but you're still supposed to celebrate this stuff and acknowledge it and act as if something that is not true is true.

It's frustrating.

It's really frustrating.

And you can't do it.

This is how your civilization falls apart.

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In Reading, Pennsylvania, a man was just arrested for reading a Bible verse.

Now, we've heard about that happening in Canada.

So you knew Canada was heading down the drain, but I, until now, had not heard of Americans being arrested on the streets of America for reading Bible verses.

Now,

this guy's across the street from a group of

Pride Month celebrators.

And so, a police officer approaches this person and asks him to let them have their moment.

Here's what happened.

He tells the cop it's public property.

Cop tells him to let them have their moment.

Let them have their day.

Apparently the police officer disagrees with him.

And now he comes over.

Getting this on film.

Can I give him my back and puts him in handcuffs?

And of course, the

Pride Month celebrators are all happy about the fact that

this guy has no freedom of speech on the streets of Pennsylvania in the United States.

I'm watching this.

All right.

Pushing him around.

Pushes him up against

not resisting at all, by the way.

No.

Right.

My name is Enrique Pastor.

Has him in cuffs.

Barely taking him down to the station.

God bless you, brother.

Three cups on this guy.

And you hear the celebrating from the Pride Month group.

I talked to Dan Andros over at Faithwire.com yesterday, and they were one of the people who

broke this story.

That guy had been there for 60 seconds.

60 seconds?

He walked to that spot.

Oh, my God.

He was there for 60 seconds before his arrest.

And he didn't do, I mean, he had a sign.

Gosh.

He did not.

He had a sign, and he recited a Bible verse.

I think he shouted it.

Yep.

60 seconds.

All of a sudden, the cop just is done with him and arrests him.

I mean, that is.

It's inconceivable in the United States of America.

It's just not America.

Anymore.

It's just not.

You got to know more about the law than that if you're a police officer.

Yeah.

You got to know a little bit more about your constitutional rights.

I back cops

almost all the time.

Whenever, you know, like I they think they have an impossible job.

And especially now with the way that they're treated, I think it's really important to, to put in perspective how difficult their job is.

But like a guy reading a Bible verse, I mean, it's like 19 different intersections of the First Amendment.

Yeah.

It's like every, it's not only just protest, it's also protesting while reciting a Bible verse.

Like, this is so clearly a violation of this guy's rights to be arrested in that situation.

It's really despicable.

As it would be, by the way, if they were protesting, if the group was a bunch of people who were,

you know, reciting the Bible and there was a LGBTQ protester holding a sign and saying they disagreed.

They would also have a right in this country.

Like, that's just the way this is.

It's the way the country is.

If you don't like it, I understand that.

But, you know, there's plenty of places that will restrict your speech.

North Korea comes to mind.

You can't say anything.

Go check that out.

It's cool.

You'll You'll love it.

One real tall pyramid right in the center of town.

It looks incredible.

China will do it for you.

They will make sure that you don't say the things you're not supposed to say.

This country was built

on the foundation that you can, though.

I mean, that is, it's really, really important here.

And

I can understand

that you think there's going to be some incident.

If he had shown some violent intent, there's a lot of things you could make it understand that you'd have a justification to separate the guy and de-escalate a situation.

None of that was going on.

None of it.

The guy came up, he read a Bible verse in one minute and was arrested.

It's incredible that that could happen in this country.

Outrageous.

And the cop said to him, let them have their day.

Respect it.

No.

The guy responds, you know who's cheering for this?

For us, the people that are in hell.

So you do you, and I'm going to do me.

This is public property.

And then the cop arrested him.

Incredible.

Look, you don't have to celebrate this stuff.

You don't have to.

No, you don't.

You know, you can't.

No one can make you say something.

That's an important part of free speech.

You can't be forced to say something that you don't want to say.

That is being reversed here

by the day in this country.

And we need to fight back against it.

We have to.

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A lot of people have wondered, you know,

what did

Leah Thomas' teammates think about Leah Thomas?

Because we hear about Riley Gaines, just competed against Leah, I think, in one tournament at the NCAA Championships.

And Riley Gaines, of course, we know what she thinks about men competing against women.

But what did the teammates of Leah Thomas think?

Well, one has finally come forward.

And I guess she was also included in the movie that Matt Walsh did, but what is a woman, but was disguised,

and now has decided, no, I'm going to be open about it.

coming out and I'm going to speak about it and I'm going to let everybody know who I am.

So Paula Scanlon, who is listed as a senior on University of Pennsylvania's athletics

women's swimming team and diving roster, swam with Leah Thomas as well as fellow swimmer, turned activist Riley Gaines.

Of course, Thomas is a male athlete who joined the women's swim team in 2021 after he began hormone replacement therapy in May 2019.

Now,

she says that the team was gathered together and Leah Thomas spoke to him and said, Hey, look, I'm going to be my true self.

My true self is a woman, and so I'll be competing with you as a woman beginning next year.

I think she had to sit out for a year according to NCAA rules.

So she sat out for a year and then in 2021

started competing as a woman, even though, of course, had all the male equipment and was actually a man.

Now, Scanlon

was not excited about it.

One of the girls was very upset, Scanlon said.

She went crying to the athletic department.

I don't know what they said to her,

but she was then completely, after going to the athletic department, she was completely on board and thought Leah swimming was this magical, beautiful thing.

Is there something wrong with me for thinking this was wrong?

It worked.

The university wanted us to be quiet and they did it in a very effective way.

And so when this swimmer went to the athletic department and said, hey, this is not right.

This is not fair.

This is a man swimming as a woman.

and apparently was completely turned around on

the deal.

Yeah.

And then supported Leah Thomas completely.

I mean, can you imagine being

a woman in college and you're in a locker room getting dressed and you just hear that, the man's voice, right?

Just that.

Yeah.

Would make you make you jump up and wonder what's going on.

And now then you realize what's going on and it's actually worse than maybe the alternative.

Someone walked into the wrong room.

No, no, this guy's supposed to be there.

His name is just Leah now.

And it does feel like, too, like part of this, at the very least, should be that you're committing to the bit, right?

Like, if you're going to be, if you're going to go from man to a woman,

you go through with the surgery.

There's a level of commitment that like indicates this is at least something you're taking very seriously, you know?

At least you've gone through a real, a lot of trouble.

And, you know, you're not going to get the, because I think you will start to get the people who just want

to go to the other side of the and i think this is more common in like prison for example we'll have people who are just guys who want to be guys who are fine being guys but no they can manipulate the system to get in with the women in the women's prison for multiple reasons one they probably like being in prison with women because they are attracted to women and and and all that uh stuff that could go on there but in addition also you're probably going to get it beat up a lot less right you know like it's probably a safer environment at some level so people I think, will manipulate those things.

And it has already resulted in women being assaulted.

Yeah, there have been rapes.

Rapes and all sorts of terrible things that have happened to women in this country.

Women have been impregnated.

Yeah.

Of course.

Of course.

Obviously.

Again, we keep saying these things as if we have to say them.

Obviously, everyone knows that's going to be a result of that situation.

Now, you might get some people who say, you know, there's been people online who have done things like, I'm identifying as a woman and therefore I have just broken the weightlifting records for women.

And, you know, people see that more of as a joke or as a commentary on the situation or just an attempt that people will choose to ignore as if they didn't just say.

The only thing you have to do is identify yourself that way and you become that, right?

Like they all say that until something inconvenient goes on.

Like, for example, a transgender person shoots up a school.

Then all of a sudden the trans thing's not a big deal.

And wait, what that person wasn't really trans.

But like you look at this and I think if you, look, if you go through the surgery, you've at least committed to the bit.

You're at least to the point where

you could say, okay, well, this person's serious about this.

Yeah, you're not trying to scam the system.

Right.

You're eliminating.

If you've gone to the trouble of the surgery, you're not scamming anybody.

It doesn't make you a woman and it doesn't make it okay that you're competing against women in women's sports, but it does eliminate the riffraff, right?

It shows

you're all in.

Yeah.

You know,

no one is cutting their stuff off to win a women's swimming medal in the NCAA tournament.

You wouldn't think so.

That's just like, no, that's just too much.

But it's also not as threatening to the women you're sharing the locker room with.

Sure, I get it.

If you don't have the noodle, then they're not seeing it dangling.

If you're noodle-free,

it's less likely a problem could occur.

I would agree.

That does not mean that women should have to accept accept people that have done this in their locker rooms or in their bathrooms or in their swimming lanes.

But I will say, it does.

That line would at least eliminate people who are intentionally manipulating the system.

You know, like if you did it with the bathroom rule, right?

Where you said, okay, you can go into a women's bathroom if you've gone through fully with the surgery.

Then at least you again, no one is going through the surgery to get into a women's target bathroom.

Like, that's a lot of commitment to get into a women's bathroom.

Yeah, and you're kind of defeating the purpose.

Right.

So, like, okay, but they won't let you even ask if the surgery has happened.

Right.

You don't have to, there's no line.

There is no line.

You just have to say it's gone on.

You don't even have to say the surgery's happened.

You just have to say, I am now a woman or I am now a man.

And you've magically changed.

It's like saying Betelgeuse three times.

Things just go on.

Yeah.

You know, and like there are no, Abercadabra isn't real.

The magic words aren't real.

And it's incomprehensible to me that people on the left don't care what the women think about this.

They don't care how they feel about it.

They don't care if they're comfortable or not.

They don't care.

And when they're told, and some of them did approach officials and say, look,

we're really not comfortable with this guy with his noodle hanging out while we're naked in the locker room.

He's looking at us.

We have to see him.

We don't want to.

And they were offered

therapy.

So if you're not comfortable with a man and his unit hanging out in your locker room, well, obviously there's something wrong with you.

When did that start?

Yeah.

I was talking to someone.

It's interesting because

it's really hard for them to defend their position on this.

And I think this is one of the reasons why conservatives have talked about it as much as they have.

You know, Matt Walsh, we mentioned his movie earlier.

You know, what is a woman is such a great fundamental question because if you

so often

they will say women's rights are important, that women need to be treated equally, and yet they can't even say what a woman is.

And if you can't define what a woman is, fundamentally, all of these questions are insane.

If I were to say, you know,

squibble squabbles need to be treated equally, you would correctly ask me, what is a squibble squabble?

And since I couldn't answer it, you would ignore me.

Right?

You can't answer the question?

What's a squibble squabble?

I mean, I just said if I couldn't answer the question.

I absolutely can't.

And that's a whole nother show for another day.

But like, you know, a squibble squabble isn't a thing.

Huh.

And therefore, it doesn't mean anything.

The sentence is meaningless.

Well, if you can't tell me what a woman is, it's just as meaningless as a squibble squabble.

And

I got to be honest with you, it's a really good observation that

they can't even answer that basic question.

And you're talking about doctors, physicians, therapists.

I mean, when you watch the movie, none of those people, none of those people can answer what the...

It's such an easy question to answer.

Court justices can't answer it, Pat.

I mean,

these are very basic.

You don't need to be a biologist.

And again, now the left is pissed off.

The only thing they've ever been pissed off against,

I was going to say Corinne Jean-Pierre,

the Supreme Court justice, her name's escaping right now, the newest one,

Kataji Brown Jackson.

Thank you.

Kataji Brown Jackson.

The only thing they don't like about her is that she said the biologist thing, because that indicates that a biologist could tell.

Think of the insanity.

We all know what a woman is.

We We all know

we know the chromosomes are at play.

We know the genitals are at play.

You know, they've got the ovaries, the womb.

There's things there that differentiate the man and the woman.

That's how you know.

That's it.

And they're like, well, it's actually a gem.

Sex is the biological.

And then gender is more of a feeling.

I remember this.

My favorite, because we used to talk about this on patents too.

I remember back in the day.

Ellen DeGeneres,

again, a very prominent LGB activist.

I don't know if she's a T activist or not.

I think she is.

And she was asked

about this.

And she said, you know, like the

sex is one thing, but

what gender you are is really more of a feeling.

And it's like, well, all right, like, let's accept that for a second.

Let's just say essentially gender.

is this new word that they made up that means something different, right?

It's not what you are, it's what you feel like.

And I, I, okay, I can kind of accept that in a way.

Like, I, I just don't care what you feel like.

Like, that's something for you to deal with.

Yeah.

I've got enough crap going on in my life.

I've got to accept your feeling as my definition for what a woman is.

Like, a woman or a man, what we need to know that information for?

Demographic research, you know, medical treatment.

Like, I don't care what your feelings are.

Sports.

How are we dividing people to play sports so we have an equal playing field?

We do it by gender.

We do it by sex.

If you want to say gender is which one you feel like, well, what do I don't care about that at all?

You can feel all sorts of, do you feel

happy or sad?

That's kind of on you.

I don't adjust all of the rules of my society for you being happy or sad.

And like, look, a lot of people have more masculine leanings if they're a female.

If you're a female, you have masculine leanings.

What you are is a female.

Yes, you're maybe different than other females, but they're not all the same.

There are people who act differently.

Not all men are the same.

Some people like Broadway.

Some people like MMA.

They're different.

That doesn't mean they're not, some of them are men and some of them aren't.

It's just fundamentally, you're a man.

You can have all, there's a bright rainbow of colors within that definition.

People are different.

I mean, look, you try to talk to Glenn about the NBA.

Yeah.

Try to talk to Glenn about the NFL.

Good luck.

He can school me on chitty chitty bang bang all day long

because that he knows.

But he's also a man, even though sometimes he doesn't always act like a man.

He's a man.

You're a man.

I'm a man.

That's the thing.

It's okay.

There's a bunch of different definitions to have different types of people in there.

That's what makes the world world interesting.

It doesn't mean you've changed your gender.

Your feelings are unimportant in this particular situation.

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Hey, it's Patton Stew for Glenn on the Glenn Beck program.

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You can try it out for yourself.

Yes, that's a great idea, Pat.

That's your best idea of the day.

The rest of the stuff you said today was crazy.

Stupid.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The rest of the stuff.

I mean, you were dead naming people.

Why did you do that?

Why did I even open my mouth?

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Awesome.

Now, don't you have some things going on on the Stuberger

Studa's America situation?

Got a great show line up for you today.

We have Jesse Kelly on.

He's going to be about his new book, which is going to be great.

He's actually on tomorrow's radio show, too.

It would be

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Also,

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Doug Bergum,

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