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Jason is the head of research for the broadcasts that I do and

And also the

guy who watches over, you know, global problems that have anything to do with the military.

And the guy who has the most illegal search history in the entire country.

And that includes Jeffy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know, it's really scary when you say, you know, you research something and then you go by his office and he's sitting there.

dark room.

You're like, are you okay?

And he's like, on the dark web.

Think I'm finding some really good stuff.

That's probably not the right words.

Good stuff on the dark web.

Anyway, Jason is here because yesterday, the FBI arrests the National Guardsmen linked to the Pentagon classified documents leak.

Now,

I saw the pictures from the sky.

Can we, let's see if they match what I saw?

Because it didn't look like the FBI.

That looked a lot like

Army people.

Oh, yeah.

The vehicles certainly.

The vehicles are.

Now, when they were walking out, they had like four rifles.

They were all in the camo.

Is that how our FBI dresses now?

Do we just not

are all norms gone?

Now, I have to hand it to our FBI

because

this is, this could have been anybody.

Anybody in the world.

And they found him, okay?

They found him this quickly.

Congratulations.

Now, they still don't know who leaked the Dobbs decision, and there's only 12 suspects there,

but I'm sure they're working on it.

I'm sure they're working on it.

Now,

I brought Jason in because Jason, you were in, and I hate to say it, military intelligence.

That's correct.

And you were in military intelligence, so you know this stuff.

Yeah.

Okay.

So tell us what he is accused of doing.

According to the New New York Times.

So there was that, you know, batch of classified documents that ended up on a Discord server, which gamers use to talk to each other while they play games.

But it was on this Discord server and somehow it went from the Discord server to eventually getting leaked out onto Telegram, places like that.

But these are, my first thought was when I saw this break yesterday, I'm like, he's 21 years old.

He's a National Guardsman, and he has access to these kinds of top secret documents.

How's that possible?

So these kinds is very important to this story because when you look at the classified documents, and yes, I do have a copy of the classified documents.

There's a, I mean, I don't have a copy of this, but

it was him.

There's a, at the top of it, it'll say, somewhere Merrick Garland is laughing right now.

Yeah, finally.

Go, go, go.

On these classified documents says top secret at the top, you know, and it also has like their special access program, SAP, or sensitive compartmentalized information.

So what that means is there's top secret and then above that, if you get cleared, there's SCI or SAP, which means you're read into certain things.

Okay.

So just because you have a top secret clearance, you can't just be like, hey, I want to know who really shot Jonath Kennedy.

It's got to be in there somewhere.

You can't go searching for that type of stuff.

Okay, so wait a minute, wait a minute.

He had access to this computer link.

Yeah, so the computer, and this was, this came out on the New York Times yesterday.

It's been slow drip, which is very odd also from our mainstream media.

But last night, the New York Times said that he pulled this information off of something called JWIX.

That stands for Joint Worldwide Intelligence

Communication System.

Okay.

So basically what that is, is that's like an internet service provider.

That's like if you have your internet through Verizon or Comcast or something like that.

So it's a secure line.

Exactly.

Okay.

It's not a machine or anything.

You plug your computer into a secure line.

JWIX.

Exactly.

You can call on it.

You can send texts on it.

you can send email on it now

saying that he pulled it off of jaywix is like glenn if you have verizon at your house and they said well glenn got this information off of verizon wireless okay can i have a little more context there was it a text was it an email was he surfing for it on the internet what so jwix is just a system okay so if you got onto that system though

Does it have like a Google page at the front?

You're like, Kennedy assassination.

And it pops up the information, uh, classified details in Ukraine.

No, and it pops, no, no, no, no, okay.

And I'm gonna try and tell this some context that I don't get arrested by an FBI SWAT team.

But, um, oh, they're already here, they're probably down by

the parkout front.

So, yeah, they're just kind of there all the time.

I've got a fast vehicle.

I'm going to use it if I have to.

Here's the thing.

This is this is the honest truth.

So, you know, when they come and haul him away, I'm on record saying this.

I have nothing to do with this.

No.

Jason has worked for me for years and has never,

ever diverged.

Not that you have a bunch of stuff, but you've never diverged or

divulged any kind of classified information in any aspect of anybody's life.

And also, the system is designed so that I really can't.

The system is designed so that a 20-year-old enlisted kid can't get his hands on everything and anything.

It's designed that way.

But what you're just describing, like, you know, go to a Google page, whatever, there is something on the JWX called Intel Link.

So Intel Link is basically, that's like the internet, right?

Or that's basically like the computers that are all linked together.

There would, it'd be more, I guess it's more better to describe it as like an intranet.

You know, there's a place where you can click on, and there's like a group of things here, I mean, like that.

Is there like a Wikipedia?

There is.

There is a Wikipedia.

It's called Intellipedia.

That's for top secret nerds to like say, basically they build like Wikipedia style pages.

Okay, so wait.

Would this National Guardsman, he is with 102nd Intelligence Wing,

he's 21 years old.

Would he have access to

Intellipedia?

Yes.

Yes, he would be able to access Intellipedia.

I had a top secret SCI clearance, which is as high as it gets in the military.

I would be able to go into the SCIF, the facility where this stuff is at, and

I could get onto one of these terminals that's hooked up to JWIX and I could go to Intellipedia if I wanted to.

But the information is a lot more broad there.

So it's basically just a bunch of nerds being like, this is what we're seeing in Ukraine.

This is what we think should happen.

It's not like.

It's not these documents.

No, no.

It's not here are the locations of every single Western special forces team.

That would be SCI or SAP, meaning you have to be read into that.

You have to have a special login to send that information to and from terminals on the JWIX.

Let's just say

that,

I don't know, the Capitol police were searching for something and they just happened to walk out of the room and it was there on the screen.

Just any way to get it on the screen.

Could he print it or take a picture of it?

He could take a picture of it.

He could take a picture of it on the computer, but that's not what happened.

He printed it off and then took a picture of it.

So how could he, you couldn't have printed it off in the skiff?

There would be a, you could, but there would be a record that someone printed that off in the skiff in the skiff

one of the re ways they were you know one of the many ways they were able to identify this guy supposedly was that he printed them off brought them home put them on his counter and then you could see it was the exact same counter that he had in other photos right the counter in his kitchen yeah and there was a

yeah and there was a reflection of the room and things like that again can't find the secretary of one of the 12 justices that leaked that possible they found out because they had a reflection of his furniture in his room.

Right.

See, this is the way the system worked back when I was in.

I heard that they were trying to like modernize the JWIC system

as I think it started like last year, a couple years ago.

Okay, so it's like Biden was involved.

So modernize it mean chuck layman open.

Right.

Well, I was thinking from what they were saying, they were trying to make it even more restrictive than when I was in.

Like it was all going to be cloud-based and a lot more like two-factor authentication, all these different things.

What really irritated me about the New York Times piece last night was they didn't ask any of these questions.

They were just given an acronym and even what the acronym means.

And they said, yeah, just pull off Jay Wicks.

Okay.

All right.

So hang on just a second.

Why would the New York Times

feel the need to ask the government any questions?

Especially when they were probably given it.

We will ask the questions here.

I mean, they seem to have, you know, trusted their government sources for everything

and been burned every time as we find out it's false.

Why would an editor say, did you ask them these questions?

Yeah, it's, I mean, it's, it's almost like they were just given a piece of paper and said, print this.

That's the way it felt to me.

If I'm at the New York Times and I'm actually curious about getting to the bottom of this, because I don't think we're getting the true the full story here at all.

But I personally would have been like, okay, he got it off JWIX.

How did he get it off of JWIX?

Where was it at in JWICS?

Was it in an email, email, something that's called ice mail and top secret email in JWIX?

Was he reading someone's email?

Did someone send him an ice mail and this information was on it?

Definitely not an FBI agent.

What is the full, definitely not an FBI agent?

Definitely not an FBI agent.

Whatever I say, not an FBI agent.

Justice Department had nothing to do with this.

I will say that FBI does have access to JWIX.

So I'll just put that out there.

So does the DOJ.

Oh, my God.

Oh, my God.

I'm not implying anything.

They just, I'm just putting it out there.

I'm just wondering how, and let me take a break and have you come back.

Have you figured out any way that this could be done

by this kid?

What are the most likely

scenarios?

Because if you're telling us you can't just log in and he wouldn't have the ability to log in to get this kind of information, what would he have to have or how is the most likely way it would have happened?

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Now they're saying this guy

is stationed at the National Guard base.

As a cyber transport systems journeyman.

What the hell is that?

I have no idea.

It's It's Air Force.

He held the highest level security clearance granted by the government to review top secret information.

SCI.

Top secret SCI.

So he would have access to this.

He would have access, yeah.

He would be able to get into the SCIF and he would be able to look at that computer.

But he wouldn't be able to search for it and look for it.

It would have to have been, he'd have to either know where it was,

because I'm guessing, I'm trying to understand this in, and I was going to say normal people terms but I don't know anybody who's actually been on the dark web except you when you go on the dark web there is no like google function you have to know what you're looking for right

a little more so there people have built search uh not people have built web pages on the dark web where you can search through that like basically like a list of links okay yeah to go to and is there a list of links on this kind of thing kind of like an intranet okay that would be the equivalent so he could go around he could look on that He could look on Intellipedia if he wanted to.

But as far as something that has SAP or SCI access type information, there's no search function for that.

So you couldn't just be like, I'm going to go to this site on JWX on the Intel link, and then I'll just pull up all this information.

So when you asked me before, what's the most likely scenario?

Either someone else's email was up.

I'm just theorizing here.

He just walks into the room and the email, the guy didn't close it out in the skiff, which would be highly unlikely, right?

Yeah, well, you, unless, if, if, unless they're completely incompetent, which that's a possibility.

And if so, I want to know about that.

Right.

Someone should ask that.

Right.

Um,

or someone could have sent him an ice email that he should not have received.

That could have been possible as well.

Would there be any record of that?

Should be.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, there will be.

Yes, there is a record of that.

So when they arrest him and they're, you know, printing him as the guy,

Is there any way for that to be true?

That he is the only one involved in this?

As far as the getting the information.

It's possible that he was the only one involved in wanting to steal this information.

So, like I said, if somebody else's mistake allowed him to do this, but that needs to be looked into.

But there's also the, so that's one option.

The other option is someone was feeding him information.

I want to know who that person is as well.

That is the only two scenarios that I can think of that make sense.

The way classified information works, it's set up to where a 21-year-old kid cannot do this.

It doesn't work that way.

There's got to be somewhere else where mistakes or protocols weren't being followed.

We need to know about that.

So here's the thing that

bothered me from the get-go when we first said, we know who this guy is yesterday.

The story was, we know who he is, but we're not going to tell you who he is.

And the opening paragraph, I think, of

the story was, he's a guy who loves God and guns.

And he's with a bunch of guys on the internet with God and guns.

And I thought, wow.

Wow, that's interesting.

That's a what a what a what a great sweet deal.

And that story was followed by Biden saying, this is why we need to have more monitoring of all websites.

Oof.

Okay.

That's coming.

Right.

So,

I mean,

I would have never said five years ago, eight years ago, would have never said,

this smells like a setup.

This smells like, well, only because of everything else that's going on.

For instance, you know, we got the bomb.

We got the guy who discovered the pipe bomb.

Okay.

The first guy who discovered the January 6th pipe bomb, the cop, okay,

he's just been arrested.

He's going to jail.

Why?

Because he told someone, hey, man, you should remove that from Facebook.

Well, now

I know people who know people who were at January 6th, and they're like, what are you doing?

Don't post that.

Take that off of Facebook.

Not that they were doing anything, but

when is it a crime that you say, take that off of Facebook?

We haven't found the guy who left the bomb, but the guy who discovered the cop who discovered the bomb and then later told somebody else, hey, you should take that off of Facebook.

He's arrested and going to jail.

Now, as a movie writer,

I would say that that's a great setup for

he knows something.

Shut him him up.

Am I wrong?

As a movie writer, am I wrong on that?

No, no.

Yeah.

But then look how they, look how everyone mobilized to figure this out in what, a matter of days?

Days.

Days.

And it was the media that actually broke it or did the media figure this out before the feds did?

Right.

That's what it felt like.

Yeah.

And it's, and that's weird because that would be internal sources.

And we know what internal sources have fed us through the media before.

Nothing but lies.

And did you see how the New York Times came across that information?

No,

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We're just talking about

the National Guardsman who, apparently, all by himself, did something amazing that at least a guy who was in a similar position with the military,

Jason Battrill, is with us now.

And in this

similar position, he could not do these things.

But this 21-year-old kid has figured out a way to do the impossible.

And as we stated, the media is just running with this and no one is asking any questions.

And if you know what to ask or you're an inquiring kind of, I don't know, what we used to call a journalist, you would ask follow-up questions.

Yeah, I mean, there's, I can't think of any reason why he had the information that he had.

I think that what we're going to see coming up pretty soon is probably people justifying why he did have this information.

But a lot of those documents look like internal CIA documents.

There's no rhyme or reason why he would have those that,

those documents specifically.

I can't think of it unless, like we talked about before,

it was negligently left somewhere on Jaywick, on that terminal, or someone sent them to him.

Okay, so theorizing.

Okay, so hang on.

Let's just say you go with a thing where he could have had them because somebody was looking at those documents in the skiff

and they just left and left everything open.

That's a pretty wide-ranging list of documents.

Yeah.

I mean, you know.

Who is looking at that wide of a range?

And remember,

this happened over months.

So this person had to be so bad that they're at a high enough level to look at all of those documents and then every time leave the skiff without,

I forgot to log out.

Right.

I mean, that's why you ask these follow-up questions.

You don't just throw out an acronym, Jaywix, that you know 99% of the country is not even going to know what that even means, which is exactly why I think they left it at that.

That's why you trace the story back all the way so that we can find out what the chain of custody here.

how did they even find out who this guy was to begin with how did the new york times i mean we already saw the cameras they were there it was almost it could have been an fbi uh helicopter no it was a cnn helicopter they were there the exact same time how did they track this guy down before the feds did how's that even happen in a matter of days

well the way they did it was they got help they contracted uh a group called belling cat you ever heard of them before uh stu you you know we know belling cat for some story in the past.

I don't remember much about them other than they,

my feeling is they were kind of nefarious or slimy.

Well, so

a lot of people have suspected that they might be not fully on the level.

But when they were, remember when that Sergey Scripple case came out where the Russians were fingered as having used a chemical agent on him in the UK?

Yeah.

They're the ones that before anybody else, before law enforcement, before intelligence agents or anything, all of a sudden popped up.

Oh, we know exactly who it was.

It was Russian military intelligence.

Here are the pictures of the men that did it.

They had it like step by step.

This is the route they took.

This is where they waited.

This is how they did everything.

We're like, where are you getting this information?

Bell and Cat is a private intelligence firm, and as per their own description, and they just use open source information.

That means just Googling, pretty much.

So they're either awesome Googlers

or something else.

I don't know.

Can you hang it with ChatGPT that told them that?

Yes, it was.

Do me a favor, just Google who killed that Russian guy in England.

See if they come up with a whole

come up with all the pictures and the plan and everything.

That's an amazing Google search.

There we go.

I mean, it's right here.

That's right.

Case closed.

Try who leaked the Dobbs case from the Supreme Court.

Who leaked the Dobbs case?

That one is not popping up.

Maybe we should hire Bellingcat because when they do it on their computers, they've instantly found it.

Okay, so who are they, though?

So Bellingcat, if you go, well, I went to their, this is known in some circles, but I went just to double check last night and check their financials.

And under their financials, under their financial support section, they have a couple of interesting ones, right?

So there's a few organizations.

Then also

that are financing them.

That are financing them.

One being the European Union.

Okay, so if you ask them specifically, oh, we don't take money directly from foreign governments, but organizations associated with them.

Okay, as if that makes it any better.

But then that is a foreign government.

Right.

The European Union is a government.

Yeah, and it doesn't specifically say which entity it's affiliated with.

But anyway, but for the United States, they do go a little bit more specific.

They get funding from the National Endowment for Democracy, NED,

which,

if you know their nefarious history,

they're basically like a cutout for the CIA.

Right.

So that's interesting, two interesting sources where you're getting money from.

Now, I don't know.

Like, okay, I'm just spitballing here, Glenn.

But you're either just really, really good Googlers, or is it possible maybe some information is flowing through some of these support agencies?

I don't know.

That's what some people think.

Information launderers.

Maybe.

Allegedly.

Could be.

I'm not pointing the finger at anyone.

I'm just saying it looks very, very interesting.

these are.

And you're not actually claiming to know anything.

You're just connecting dots at this point because there is something wrong with this story.

Right.

I mean, just, I mean, these are the things that you would think the New York Times would do, right?

Or at least make that disclosure when you're like, I don't even think that they even said that in their

actual article last night about, oh, by the way, this is how we got the information.

Nearly simultaneously when their article came out, Bellingcat just tweeted and said, so our analysts teamed up with the New York Times to identify the name of the leaker.

Okay.

So the New York Times didn't even identify.

Don't quote me on that.

I don't remember seeing that in the article, but they could have.

I just don't remember that.

But I mean, that's kind of a big thing.

But even if they did say, you know, disclose that, you should probably also disclose where some of their funding comes from because that's an interesting part of the story.

Okay.

So

what do we do with this information?

Well, first, let me ask you this.

They always say follow the money, which you just did.

But on this one,

who wins with this information?

Who's the big winner from this being released?

Because they're trying to say that he's a god and country and guns guy.

Maybe he is, I don't know.

But that's awfully convenient, and it's been used immediately to get more

resources to scrub the web and monitor

every nook and cranny of the web and stifle people and control it.

Okay.

So that's the first one.

If this guy is God and guns, we know how that's going to be used.

This guy is a terrorist.

But on the information that was released, who wins?

Did it slant one way or another?

Well, the interesting thing about the information that has come out, I've looked at it and the way it was reported, I did not agree with.

So the way it was reported was this was the most damaging leak since

the Civil War.

Yeah, right, right.

Since Edward Snowden.

And I was like, really?

Because what Snowden revealed was pretty impactful to the intelligence community.

I mean, it devastated what they were doing at the time.

Everything.

He exposed how it all worked.

Right, exactly.

And this doesn't really.

So in some of the documents, you can tell that they received some of the information is coming from signals intelligence.

So they're listening into, I don't know, one even kind of assumed that we were listening into the Russians, like we had some assets within the FSB.

That's pretty significant.

So that's damaging to us.

But everything else was kind of known.

Everyone in Congress knew that we had special forces in Ukraine.

The American public didn't.

We didn't know the extent for which we were involved.

But when I say Congress, I mean like the gang of eight, right?

Yeah.

But I mean,

anybody who knows how any of this stuff works knows that we have special forces all over the world.

Right.

And then every other government in the world knew this as well.

Yeah.

So that's not big.

I mean, and the thing that came out about Egypt, that was to our benefit, you know,

revealing that they were thinking about sending munitions to Russia.

That's in our benefit.

Calling out some one of our supposed allies that's kind of going against us.

Calling out Israel for not doing enough.

That's for our benefit.

Everything kind of seemed to benefit us, everything that came out.

I don't see it as this huge, damaging leak.

Well, I see it as that.

I mean, Australia came and said, don't know if we can trust the Americans anymore.

Five Eyes, I don't know if we can share things because it might be leaked.

So I saw that as pretty damaging.

Yeah, well, I mean, it's one thing for them to say that, but for the country that built Five Eyes and the one that gave them probably 75% of their technology, they're not getting off of Five Eyes.

So they can say as much as they want, but they're not going to.

When it came out that we were spying on, you know, Angela Merkel, yeah, and she gave a strongly worded letter.

Okay, yeah, but that's about all that's going to happen on that.

You know what I mean?

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Thanks, Rebecca.

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let me think here.

As we're looking at this,

we have to look at who this guy apparently was.

He had a dark view of the government.

Well, who doesn't?

He is,

you know, loves God, loves his country.

That's code language for MAGA, I think.

And he was 21 years old, and he somehow or another accessed this, but not for an ideological reason.

Apparently, just to be cool with his friends.

Yeah, it's a very 2023 story.

We're like, you know, you go back to the 50s, like these spy scandals were like, communism versus capitalism, the Soviet Union versus America.

You know, even Edward Snowden, like, I'm going to expose the infrastructure of our intelligence gathering.

This is like, I wanted to be cool on Discord.

Like, it really is a difference.

With like 12 nerds.

Yeah.

I mean, again, there's so much we don't know about the story.

But as it's being reported right now, here's a guy who was in a very small, contained group of friends who

was, you know, it seems like all these teenagers looked up to him as this, you know, guy who was really smart and informed.

And he started trying to prove that and put these documents on him.

And people keep calling him this like batch of documents.

The way it's being reported, if you read the stories, is it wasn't a batch of documents.

He was just posting them here and there whenever he felt like it over a period of like years.

Like at least months, we know for sure.

You know, he would post one or two this day and then a couple more next week.

and it just kept coming, and people would just see him.

And it stayed within this tight environment for a very long time until it started leaking out and then going all over the place.

And as soon as it did, he realized he was in deep, deep trouble.

And that's why when there's helicopters flying over his house yesterday, he's just out in the back porch reading a book.

I will say, for some people who, let's say, were,

you know, maybe have been in

viewed some scandals of police brutality in certain ways over the past few years, if you see how he backs up slowly and listens to the officers, I know you're going to say he wasn't shot because he's white.

I got that.

But like, if you notice that sort of behavior, it doesn't typically end in your death when you act that way.

Now, it can occasionally happen.

If it does,

that should be called out and those people should pay the price for those crimes.

But just a quick note of just how you should surrender to authorities if you've done something wrong.

Just maybe a little,

maybe someone should build a little instructional booklet out of that one.

He backs up slowly, and he is

captured.

He knew it was coming.

He did the thing he was supposed to do to not get killed.

There's a side point, but I think one that might, some people out there might want to note.

So here's this 21-year-old that somehow or another gets his hands on all of these things, and he shouldn't have been able to do that.

That's our belief.

However, I believe there was another junior enlisted service member who was in his early 20s who leaked a bunch of classified information to WikiLeaks, and it was all ideological.

Yeah.

Right?

Named Bradley Manning.

Um,

whoa.

Can we dump that audio?

Chelsea Manning?

Chelsea.

No, Chelsea isn't the one who committed the crime.

It was Bradley Manning.

Chelsea?

Are you dead naming

Chelsea Manning?

No, it's Bradley.

But Bradley did it.

And if I remember right, he was welcomed back into the White House as a hero, sentenced to, I think, seven or ten years

total.

But it was commuted to seven years total.

By Obama.

Right?

Yeah.

I'm pretty sure.

I don't know.

That feels wrong.

And

he was a big hero because he was trans.

Right.

I mean,

this is awfully odd.

The way some people are prosecuted quickly, and the media is all informed on it, and they're there for the pictures.

They knew about it.

They have all of the information

and they're in lockstep with the government.

And then other times the government can't find things, and the media doesn't even care.

They're like, I'm not looking for that.

I don't even think that's an accurate telling of what the media is doing here.

I think it was Glenn Greenwald who pointed this out, that they assisted the FBI.

They were the ones really telling everyone who this person was and where they were.

And it's like, you know, this is a total op the total opposite of the of the Bradley Manning thing and the of of of the Edward Snowden thing.

You go back to these situations in the past, that used to be something that the media really revered, right?

A leaker, even if it wasn't ideological, if we can get access to these internal documents, they go crazy over it.

We've seen now, not only in this instance with intelligence, but also in corporate culture with Twitter, they don't care about leaks anymore.

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They act as if these things don't even happen when they happen to be on the other side of their narrative.

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A church in North Carolina has again unburdened thousands of families who were struggling.

Trinity Morovian Church, I guess it is, in Winston-Salem,

bought up and canceled nearly $3.3 million in medical debt belonging to 3,355 families.

Wow.

According to the dispatch, this is the second year the members of the church have taken part in the Debt Jubilee Project, which assumes past due medical bills of residence in the area.

Through the project, congregants previously purchased $1.65 million of debt, liberating 1,300 people from the Forsyth and Davison counties.

When an individual fails to pay their outstanding medical bill, the medical company that is owned hires a debt collection agency.

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The dispatch indicated that these third-party agencies have a legal right to either collect or forgive the debts.

In partnership with RIP Medical Debt in New York, the Debt Jubilee Project exercised its right to do the latter.

Reverend John Jackman, the pastor of the church, said most of these families were making a go of it until somebody had to go to the hospital for a few days or to the doctor for some serious medical condition.

We can't fix the system, so this is the best we can do.

The Jubilee project raised $15,000 and with that, we were able to go in and bid and buy $3,295,863.64 in medical debt in Davis County.

On March 26, the church held a ceremony.

Some of the poorer folks that we deal with get medical bills of a thousand or three thousand, and it might as well be ten million.

I think it's time we say that's forgiven.

I think it's time for relief.

You got to eat.

You got to take care of your children.

You got to do what you have to do just to live.

So they got together in the church.

They had a service.

Then they took all of that debt and burned it in Jubilee and then let everyone know, don't worry about that anymore.

I think that's one of the greatest things I've ever heard.

For

what was it, $15,000?

$15,000.

Wow, for $15,000, they were able to buy

debt.

$3 million worth of debt.

Oh, my gosh.

Okay, so

I'm going to put up the first $15 million, or 15 000

who will join me who will join me today that's great because i've heard that

like that you could buy debt cheaper and i've heard some organizations doing this type of thing but fifteen thousand dollars will buy you millions of dollars three million dollars in debt this is like the last of the last yeah so this is given to the guys who are like go get them right you know what i mean the people that harass you and say

they're just the worst of the worst and if you've ever had debt,

you know, I've had debt, you know, when I was young that had to be collected on.

And then I had debt that wasn't mine that these guys wouldn't leave me alone.

That's the kind of people that you're dealing with here.

You're getting, you're giving them freedom from that.

And, you know, this isn't deadbeat debt.

This is medical debt.

Right.

And it has to be debt that they have, they

know about.

They know.

Oh, yeah.

No, but I'm saying that they

have no anticipation of ever collecting right to get that sort of price so these people are really at the end of the ropes and you're taking this away from them that's I mean that's incredible what a great what a great idea right now this of course will be criticized by the left they'll you know this this happened uh you know even mr beast had to get got criticized for this type of thing because this just shows that our system is so bad and and it shows how evil our system is.

Why don't we just have everyone have no debt?

You know,

that is what they all say.

Somebody has to pay.

And when we can, I think this is a great thing for churches.

When you can pay that,

let's pay it.

You know, let's help each other.

This, again, this is the kind of stuff that I've been looking for.

Who's going the extra mile in a unique way just to help people in meaningful ways?

These are the people who are probably the poorest of the poor.

I mean, you have $1,000 of medical debt and you can't find a way to pay it off.

You're the poorest of the poor.

And you're hassled and you're afraid to pick up the phone.

And I mean, this is great.

This is great.

Hats off to this church.

Hats off.

I think this is wonderful.

Now, I went to RIP Medical Debt

and

I haven't had my researchers look into it yet to see.

You know, I want to make sure

you guarantee a charitable donation.

You may want to just to make sure.

No knock on these people or anything.

I think it sounds like a great idea, but you never know.

Sounds great.

Sounds absolutely great.

But I want to make sure that they are,

you know, this isn't some woke front or, you know, something like that.

I want to make sure this money is actually going and what's happening is actually

happening.

So join me.

Yeah, join me.

Let's do that before you give any charitable donation, by the way.

Always.

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Even mine.

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Make sure that it has the right ratings and

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using your money to the best.

Here's what a guy, he was a president of Goldman Sachs at one point, before Goldman Sachs was bad, or at least we knew where they were bad.

He said to me, I said, I don't know how to be charitable.

I grew up in a poor family.

I don't know how to do it.

And I just don't want to just, you know, just slosh money around.

I want to make sure it's going to the right things.

And

he said, I look at

charitable funds as investments, but you're investing in people.

So.

What are the people you want to affect?

Are you trying to get them an education?

You trying to to help feed them?

What is it that you want to support?

And then find the organizations that deliver the most amount of that dollar to the actual end recipient.

Look at it as an investment.

And I have.

And that's what you should do when you're looking for charities who can get it to the person.

That's one of the nice things about like give, send, go

is it's it's going right to the people because the people set it up.

But I think this is fantastic.

And I would, oh my gosh, can you imagine?

You imagine how many

how many people that are struggling under

debt that this audience could relieve?

How cool would it be to just be able to call these people and just say, hey, forget about your debt?

Imagine that.

That would be great.

That would be great.

Unbelievable.

And if that, I wonder, you know, what market forces

would be applied if you tried to do this on a mass scale, right?

Like $15,000, maybe you can get the cheapest of the cheap.

It's got to get more, the debt gets more expensive the more likely they are to collect it, right?

So you'd wonder if you tried to buy a million dollars, would that have the same ratios?

Probably not, but still it would do a lot of good for a lot of people.

I have a feeling it

would.

This organization, again, I don't know enough about it, but this organization, you know,

they have things like for here, Dallas-Fort Worth, they have an $80,000 goal.

82% of it is raised for Dallas debt.

Western Michigan,

Athens, Clark County, Georgia.

You can find the regions that you want to give to.

And they have done millions and millions and millions of dollars.

I think this is great.

If

they are indeed who they say they are.

I'm sure there's some organization doing this well.

And right, maybe this will be.

We'll check into it.

And maybe if this is the right one, we'll have somebody on about it to talk about it.

I think it would be interesting to, I think a lot of people want to do good for people without,

you know, all the nonsense.

You know, I think a lot of these

causes that are out there, it scares people away from giving their charitable dollars because they see how many of these things they've given to in the past that turn out to be doing things that, you know, you don't want, uh, you don't want to be associated with.

Right.

So hopefully,

hopefully this is clean.

Yeah.

Hopefully this is clean.

Yeah.

But we'll see because once we call them and say, hey, our audience wants to help, we don't want anything to do with you.

It's always a good indication.

We don't want your money.

We'll know right away.

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Yeah.

I'm a distraction.

So don't, please go to the movie and then 10 minutes before it's over, just close your eyes.

You're going to need to see.

You're going to need to hear what's going on.

But my big fat face is not even what they're saying.

I mean, if I were reviewing, I'd be like, Glenn Beck is enormous.

Not an enormous star.

Enormous.

He blocks the star field.

Anyway.

We really should go through your acting career.

Because you've been in a few things over the years.

Uh-huh.

Anyway, well, you want they wanted you in one of the Sharknados.

That I remember.

Did you ever get in one of them?

No.

No.

No.

They wanted me, and I was too busy, and I said no.

And it was like the second or third one.

Yeah, it was early on.

Yeah.

And it was like when they were really hot.

I should have just said, you know what?

Screw it.

I'm going.

I'm doing it.

Because I really wanted to.

And whoever

regrets not taking a Sharknado.

Oh, my gosh.

That would have been so fun to play the president and to be like,

send the buzz saws out.

That's right.

And

weren't you in one of the Ayn Rand movies as well?

Yeah.

And now this.

I mean, how do you, like, honestly, because we, I love to joke and just torture you over this stuff, but you're usually really good in this stuff.

I mean, like, you've done sketches and other things like that where you've been excellent.

You're, you're good.

You know, you're good at this stuff.

I I was in Cheers.

And I wasn't going to say it.

You were in Cheers.

That was the start of your acting.

Acting career.

By the way, you can do this.

You can go to YouTube and search for Glenn Beck on Cheers, and someone went through all the hassle to take the entire episode that you're on.

And you are legitimately just a person sitting at the bar.

But I was.

I was an extro.

Like, it's hilarious.

I'm like a kid.

Yeah.

And you just see Glenn behind.

What you did on this supposed day where you were, I mean, you must have been hammered.

You were there all day.

You were drinking all over the place, all over the bottom.

Colored water pissed me off.

Not real beer, huh?

No.

That's no fun at all.

But so that is there on YouTube if you would like to see Glenn Beck's acting career begin.

It is a lot of fun to watch.

So anyway, so let me give you the,

I mean, this is really, these are great reviews.

A Christian message like a progressive lecture amidst an otherwise generic story can spoil the fun even for the true believers.

They may be more forgiving of those narrative detours

but if they spot them all the same.

It's the one reason Nefarious is a two-tier triumph.

The thriller follows a psychiatrist judging the sanity of a death row inmate.

It's more complicated than that, of course, but the film's demonic angle keeps the spiritual themes alive.

Nefarious embraces its mission without sacrificing thrills, integrity, or the genre's core elements.

Entourage alum Jordan Belfie, stars as Dr.

James Martin, a psychiatrist filling in for a colleague at the last minute.

The late colleague,

to be precise, courtesy of a chilling prologue.

Dr.

Martin must evaluate a serial killer before his planned execution.

If he determines the inmate to be sane, then the grisly show goes on.

If not, the killer will keep rotting away in prison.

The inmate proves as challenging as the prison warden promised.

That's Sean Patrick

Flannery as Edward Wayne Brady,

who claims to be possessed by a demon with an unpronounceable name.

Cue a battle of wills.

One allowing Flannery to chew on the scenery in a fully committed performance.

Much of Nefarious involves the fiery back and forth between the doctor and the inmate.

The audience will appreciate Flannery's twitchy approach to the material.

He is hypnotic, and you will not be bored for a minute.

That is absolutely true.

They are submitting his name for an Oscar.

You're not going to win because of the movie.

And maybe because I'm in the movie.

But he's not going to win an Oscar, but he should be nominated for an Oscar and maybe win it.

It is a stunning performance.

Then

the next one, Nefarious, a thought-provoking supernatural horror exercise in morality.

What if I were to tell you this is a Christian film within a horror genre?

Some Christians may react negatively because one of the biggest criticisms about modern Christian films is that the portrayals of real life are so overwhelmingly uplifting that it borders on parody.

It's rare to see a Christian film or even a modern Christian sermon that covers the topic of sin.

Whenever anyone shines a light on the evils that consume our world today, people tend to get uncomfortable in the face of defined definitions of right and wrong.

As a result, most Christian content won't even highlight society's issues of immorality because the belief is that it's much easier to win people over by being uplifting rather than being truthful.

Not only does this film stand apart with its strong Christian background, but it also eschews the blumhouse style of horror films about a cliché portrayal of demons with

mediocre plots highlighted by cheap actors that leads to a solid 90 minutes of jump scares.

The genre has become so formulaic that audiences don't even react to it due to its repetitiveness.

Nefarious takes that film and takes it in a completely different path.

Another great review.

Again, you can get your tickets now.

It's not playing all over the country, but go see it this weekend.

They need a big opening this weekend to be able to keep it in theaters and expand it.

You can get your tickets at whoisnefarious.com.

Another great review.

Nefarious, starring Emmy winner Sean Patrick Flannery as Jordan Belfie in Entourage is a riveting new thriller to be released April 14th.

Synopsis is, and I just gave you the synopsis, but listen to the way they talk about this.

The two actors have great feisty chemistry together, where at times it is so intense, the energy is palpable through the screen.

Sean Patrick Flannery is a true force of nature, where he delivers a gripping performance for the ages.

He is able to invest

humanity, vulnerability, and believability in this complex title character.

It was both physically and mentally demanding as a role for Flannery, but he nailed it.

This is perhaps his most profound acting work.

The screenplay allows for resonance, and it is filled with several twists and turns that will have the audience not see what is coming.

Here's another one.

Are you ready?

Repeatedly, what somewhat convincingly, Nefarious makes the case that humankind, despite its best intentions, will always drift to the dark side.

Hate speech wasn't even our idea.

The demon laughs.

You came up with that one yourselves.

The heavy lifting here is accomplished by Flannery.

He goes on to talk about how good he is, blah, blah, blah.

Nefarious zips through most of its brisk one hour and 38 minutes, its efficient runtime rendered even more likely, a lively by the snappy editing from Jeremiah, Brian Jeremiah Smith, who edited Get Out.

But after racing towards the slam-bang climax of a convulsive death house scene, the proceedings come to a grinding halt

thanks to an extended, ill-advised epilogue featuring of all people,

Glenn Beck.

It's a near-fatal error.

Oh, this is making my day.

Redeemed, ironically, by one last devil in the details.

I just love the fact that you are the problem.

It's so good.

I mean, I told them.

You did tell them.

And I don't, I mean, my guess is, I have not actually seen the movie, but my guess is you actually probably do a good job in this.

I play me.

You know, here's what people have been saying to me.

My gosh, you were really good.

I mean, and I went, I played me.

How hard is it to play me?

Yeah, you would think you do know how to do that one.

You've had some experience at it.

But I think it's just because you're just a well-known figure.

But the fact that you're playing yourself is usually excused.

It's not like they put you in a separate role and it was hard to picture you.

We say this with actors all the time.

You know, these actors come out and they make all sorts of crazy political points.

And then you see them in a movie and they might be doing a decent job in the movie acting, but like it's hard to separate them from their annoying political opinions.

So you don't enjoy them in the role.

It's not even like saying well actors shouldn't be able to give their opinions.

It just hurts their actual work.

Absolutely.

And so if you were like playing

some random guy in this movie, I can understand how that might be hard for the left to separate.

I loved Martin Sheen

as the president until he started becoming so active and so vocal.

I no longer saw him as the president in West Wing.

I saw him as Martin Sheen.

Right.

And it wrecked it for me because I only saw the

person, the actor.

Right.

Yeah.

And but when you're playing yourself, obviously.

And I played me very well.

We'll see about that.

I can't wait to see this movie so I can critique each and every word.

So embarrassing.

Oh, my gosh.

It's not embarrassing.

Oh, it is.

It is.

Just enormous.

That is the only part of it.

The only part of close-up, I saw it on like an iMac size screen, okay?

And the whole thing is a close-up of my face.

And you do not want to see a two-story version of of your face, especially when you're fat and the camera angle is shooting up.

My gosh, it was like, I mean, there was a devil, and I think he was running the camera on my scene.

But

anyway.

And this is, you know, we sit in a studio every day that has a giant stretched-out picture of your face.

That's nothing.

And just that is though, like, you see a lot of detail, but you don't want to see every pore is blown up.

I can't imagine it on IMAX.

No, on IMAX, you could stand in one of the pores in my face.

And I will say, listening to you talk about this and seeing this photo and everything, we often mock Hollywood celebrities for being obsessed with how they look.

You can almost understand it.

Oh, I couldn't even look at the screen.

Because that's all you think of.

I saw it and I went, oh, dear God, my wife grabbed my arm.

That's the worst part of the story.

It was a word scene.

It was.

Sarah, the worst part of the story is your wife thought it was a jump scare when your face came on the screen.

This is the person you're married to.

I know.

And she was like, oh,

and she just held on tight.

And I just looked down after looking at the screen.

I'm like, oh my gosh.

I just, holy cow.

Wait, did you get it?

I really want to know.

Did you get an explanation from Tanya, your wife?

No, I said

why she reacted this way.

We were talking about, we were having dinner with some friends, and I said, my wife grabbed onto my arm and she went, oh my gosh, like, oh my gosh, that is a huge, horrible face.

And we were all laughing.

And she laughed.

She didn't

say no.

No, no.

I meant.

No, she meant, don't ever do that again.

Don't ever do that again.

That's what she meant.

She was right.

This is what you need to find in a spouse.

Oh, yeah.

Someone who will tell you that your face is terrifying.

I really feel sorry for those

people who are married to somebody who is just for the money or whatever.

My wife does not care about any of it.

No.

None of it.

Not at all.

Fame, fortune.

none of it.

She's not a lot of people.

But despite much of it, she's disgusted by most of it.

And there is nothing better than marrying somebody like that.

Because you just go home and I'm like, hey, dig me.

And she's like, yeah, I have.

Why don't you pick up your underpants and bring them to the washing machine?

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we were just talking about the movie Nefarious.

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Yeah.

And, you know, I told Stu, you know, I'm distraction in it, and clearly I am.

And we were talking off the air.

And so maybe I should look for a city that would, you know, if you know of a theater that would want to do this,

my daughter wants to be an actress, and she's really good.

And I watch her in shows, and I would love to play a role against her.

And we found a great Neil Simon show.

It's two person.

It's actually three, but the other is a bit part.

And it's just about a father and daughter and coming of age.

It's exactly, I mean, she's two years too young probably for this role.

And

it's about a daughter who wants to know more about her father who is gone

and wants to be an actress.

I mean, it just fits us.

And the only thing, the only bad thing about it is I want to do it.

I want to do it for an audience, but I don't want reviews because they'll suck.

The reviews will suck.

And you'll have a hard time, if you went, seeing me other than Glenn Beck.

You know, so it's, I'm not trying to be an actor.

I just want to do something with my daughter.

This is a father-daughter thing.

And I want to, you know, I'll rent a theater and I don't care as long as it pays for itself.

I don't care about, you know, making money or anything else.

I just want to do this.

And I want to do it in a city that, you know, is not going to review in the New York Times times and say glenn back's trying to be an actor and blah blah blah uh i want to do it either next fall or next spring that'd be really cool yeah for you and you know for as a family that's just a really good

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Welcome to Friday.

I think we're going to start calling these Good News Fridays.

I just want to, one day a week, let's just stop and look at wins and good news.

So this is a prototype kind of program.

We're doing it today.

And with my record of short attention span, this may be the only Good News Friday we ever do.

But

today, the last hour of the program, we have some really great news.

We're going to start with a very big win for life in a case that you probably haven't heard of.

But something big has just been overturned.

Now it's being challenged state by state.

So we will see.

But the people who are fighting it in these states, same people.

I'll explain in 60 seconds.

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What are you doing today to make sure the money you have worked hard to earn over the years doesn't lose all of its value?

I have a story, and maybe I should include this in today's good news.

I disagree with it, but there is a story that is out that says, you know, Glenn Beck and who is it?

Glenn Beck and Tucker Carlson are saying that the U.S.

economy is going down and the U.S.

dollar is going to lose its status.

Well, that's not true.

Okay, I'll give you all the details on that.

I think it is true.

If, you know, it's numbers, man.

That's all it is.

It's just numbers.

Do the math.

If the dollar falls, our economy is going to be in real trouble because all of this money is going to be released from central banks and it's going to be washing all over everywhere.

So, what are you going to do to protect your investments that you have?

May I suggest gold or silver?

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Let's get right to some good news.

Dr.

Jeffrey Barrows is with us.

He is an amazing guy.

He serves as the senior vice president of bioethics and public policy for Christian Medical and Dental Associations.

He is an obstetrician gynecologist.

He is a guy who

left

daily practice to work with MEI, which is Medical Educational International, Christian Medical and Dental Association.

He was the director there for forever.

He founded later Grace Haven, an organization assisting victims of domestic minor sex trafficking in Ohio.

He served as the member of the technical working group on health and human trafficking under the Department of Health and Human Services.

He's an amazing guy and he's ethical.

And so when his state said, you have to do, I don't care if you're Christian or not, you have to assist people in suicide,

he said no.

And he and another doctor, I believe it was Dr.

Lacey,

took them to court.

And by their side is somebody else who's going to be on the phone with us.

It's Chris Schondavelle.

He is the Alliance Defending Freedom Senior Counsel.

They won the case.

You need to hear about it.

Doctor and Chris, welcome to the program.

Well, good morning, Glenn.

Thank you for having me on.

It's great to be with you this morning.

Thank you.

So,

Doctor, tell me what you would have been or people like you would have been forced to do had this not been turned over.

Well, I first need to slightly correct you in that New Mexico is not my state.

I actually live in Ohio, but I was part of CMDA and we have many members, including Dr.

Lacey, in New Mexico.

And if this law had taken place and we had not filed the lawsuit with the help of ADF, Our members would have been, first of all, required to tell their patients who they considered as being terminal, maybe having six months or less left to live, about the option of assisted suicide.

And then, even if they personally disagreed with it, they were required to make an effective referral if that patient did request assisted suicide.

So, we're very thankful that the lawsuit was successful in encouraging and getting the New Mexico legislature to change the law, and the governor signed it into law.

And it's a it's as you said, a very big win for our members there in New Mexico.

I have to tell you,

I mean, I don't understand why doctors can't have their own belief and say, no, you know what?

I can't do that.

I'm really sorry.

But if you, you know, want to do that, you'll have to go to another doctor and you can find them.

They're out there.

Why you're required

to, you know, name another doctor that they can go to when you so strongly, religiously believe that it is wrong and if I'm not mistaken and I forgive me if I am but I understand that you have a terminal illness that you've been battling is that true yes yeah yes a little over a year ago I was given the diagnosis of stage four non-Hodgkin's lymphoma And I have made the point that if I lived in New Mexico, my doctor would have been required to tell me about assisted suicide at the same time of giving me that same diagnosis.

And I can tell you, being in the patient's position, that would have been devastating to me.

I mean, it's hard enough to hear the diagnosis of stage four cancer.

And you're wondering, and all kinds of things are going through your mind.

How long am I going to live?

Am I going to be able to beat this?

And then to have the doctor go on and say, by the way, here is an option for you.

You can go ahead and we'll help you kill yourself.

That is totally the wrong thing to tell a patient at that time, much less make a physician or healthcare professional say that to a patient.

So it's not just, though, about

the medical profession is becoming, to me, extraordinarily frightening because I'm

a student of history.

I look back at what we're repeating.

And through eugenics and all of the things that happened here in America and in Germany, once you start to devalue life, once you start to say, hey, maybe we can kill the young and the elderly because they don't have a life worth living, it goes awry quickly.

And so

it is not just about that one patient that you don't have to help kill,

but it is also, I hope,

drawing a line in the sand that says physicians first do no harm.

Exactly.

You're exactly right, Glenn, because we have lost the overall purpose of medicine, which for millennia has been to heal the patient.

Not to kill the patient, but to heal the patient.

And if they suffer from a terminal disease, to help them as much as possible to limit the suffering, to come alongside them, to support them.

But never, never, ever should we be hastening that death.

And this is exactly where medicine is going, unfortunately, across many areas of the country.

So we're very thankful, again, for the help of ADF and for the New Mexico legislature listening to this lawsuit and recognizing the importance of

looking and accepting the conscientious rights of health care professionals.

Chris Shandevel is senior counsel for ADF.

That's Alliance Defending Freedom.

You are fighting a battle just like this now in California, aren't you?

We are.

We are, Glenn.

Thanks so much for having me on.

So what we saw in New Mexico is actually, it's very unique.

You know, oftentimes when these laws are passed legalizing assisted suicide, what we've seen in state after state is that the so-called safeguards that are supposed to be put in place

and even protections for caution beliefs.

Number one, they don't last and they don't work.

And so, California is a really good example of that.

So, when they first passed their law, they did put in so-called protections for medical professionals like Dr.

Barrows, but it wasn't too long after that that they amended their law to take away those protections, thus prompting our lawsuit.

So, we're really thrilled and excited by what we saw happen in New Mexico.

Probably one of the first, maybe the first times that we've we've seen a law like this get amended in a positive direction.

So we're really hopeful that not only are we going to start stemming the tide of this wave of legislation across the country, but that we might even be able to start turning that tide as people learn more about what's actually at stake with these laws.

Doesn't this also kind of bleed over into the push now to have

all doctors, no matter what their

religious belief, they've got to participate in some way or another in abortions.

Absolutely.

I think it's a part of this broader push to really weaponize the medical profession to advance

a radical political agenda, whether that's with end-of-life issues, as we're discussing today, whether that's at the beginning of life with forced participation in abortion,

whether that's with sex change surgeries and all of the procedures that go along with that, that doctors are being now told that they have to participate in as the price of practicing medicine.

And what Dr.

Barrows and the other doctors that we represent are standing up and saying is that the medical profession is supposed to be about helping and healing people.

It's not supposed to be about hurting and killing people as this radical agenda proposes.

And again, we're just thrilled that we're already starting to see victories on the ground like we saw in New Mexico.

And we're very optimistic that as more people learn that that is, that these laws are going to drive good, excellent doctors like Dr.

Barrows out of the medical profession, that people are going to stand up and say, you know, we're not going to allow that to happen here in America.

So, Dr.

Barrows, let me ask you.

I'm so concerned at what's happening in Canada because they're just ahead of us, and they're already having physicians assist suicide for depressed teenagers.

It's crazy what's going on up there.

But it's not just the law that is doing it.

There is this push in medicine, especially at

the school level.

Our universities that are teaching our next doctors are discriminating on, you know,

gender care.

If you disagree with any of this woke stuff, you're going to have a harder time getting in.

So we're spoiling the next group of doctors that are going to replace you.

Is there any battle, real significant battle and pushback to this stuff

in education?

Well, Glenn,

you're again hitting a very important point.

Not only has Canada crossed into the provision of assisted suicide to younger people, but they've also crossed the threshold into euthanasia, which is what we want to avoid here in the United States at all costs.

But especially in regards to what you were talking about with Chris and training in OBGYN or for medical students, it's one thing for a practicing physician who has established themselves and they've got a practice to be able to refuse to engage in either assisted suicide or an abortion.

It's quite another when you are a senior medical student or a first-year resident in obstetrics and gynecology where you're being put in a position where you're told you have to assist in an abortion.

And what student has the ability to understand, my whole education could be threatened if I refuse?

And this is what we're seeing happening more and more across the country in all kinds of medical education scenarios.

And frankly, we're quite worried for our students and residents and trying to look for ways to be able to protect them.

Yeah.

Anything we can do to help you, let us know.

Dr.

Barrows, thank you for everything you've done and thanks for helping stand up.

And congratulations and thanks to Dr.

Lacey as well.

And if you would like to help in this fight, adflegal.org.

They could always use donations, adflegal.org.

Find the thing that you're passionate about and go in deep.

Help them stand against this real evil that is going to last a generation already.

If we don't stop it,

it's just dark stuff ahead.

Sorry, adflegal.org.

Thanks, guys.

Thanks, Ryan.

All right.

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Should we play this?

Still?

I don't know.

It's a new spot.

It's put out by the MAGA people.

And it's against Ron DeSantis.

It's 30 seconds.

Let me just play it real quick.

I just, I would like all of us to remember Ronald Reagan's 11th commandment.

Listen, here it is.

Ron DeSantis loves sticking his fingers where they don't belong.

And we're not just talking about pudding.

DeSantis has his dirty fingers all over senior entitlements.

Like cutting Medicare, slashing Social Security, even raising our retirement age.

Tell Ron DeSantis to keep his pudding fingers off our money.

Oh, and somebody get this man a spoon.

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I've got so much in that

30 seconds.

I know, and I've got a great pudding fingers joke

that I could use, but I'm not going to.

But

please, guys, please, the 11th commandment.

I mean,

look,

has DeSantis participated in this at all?

No, but he's not even in the race.

No, I just

wish

I just wish Donald Trump would just do that.

Just that one thing.

So one thing.

Don't.

That could have been done by a

Democrat.

100%.

100%.

That is the absolute.

And to the

all the way to the policy concerns in the ad.

Let's not get into it right now.

That's the Good News Friday, but I just.

I just would like to.

If we

bifurcate, if we can't come together, I'm going to support Donald Trump.

I'm going to support

Ron DeSantis.

I'm going to support Nikki Haley.

I will support Lassie.

If Lassie becomes the candidate,

we cannot tear each other apart.

Can't.

All right.

I've got some more good news for you.

I saw an article from Selena Zito.

She is one of my favorite.

favorite reporters because she's actually a journalist and she does it the old way.

She actually,

I don't think, Shelina, you still don't fly anywhere, right?

You drive.

I don't.

Not only do I drive, I only take back roads.

Right.

Because if you, if you drive on a highway or a turnpike or an interstate, that's just like drive.

That's just like flying in the sense that you miss everything.

You're speeding right past.

Okay, maybe you'll go to a chain restaurant and a chain gas station and you get back on the highway.

You don't interact and meet, see, and feel what's going on in the country.

All right.

So,

you wrote a report,

I think it was for the examiner.

And

your story was: stories of dignity and grace are everywhere.

We need to tell them more.

And you start talking about going into this small little town and listening to people's conversations.

Tell a story.

Yeah, I have a bad habit of listening to people's conversations, mainly because I love people watching.

No matter where I go, whether I'm sitting in a restaurant or sitting in a park or even taking a park, I love watching people.

I love watching people interact.

And there was this couple, along with another gentleman, that were having a grand old time at this lobby bar in Bedford, Pennsylvania, at the old Bedford Springs Hotel, which is a great historic hotel that goes all the way back to George Washington's day there.

And

my first impression was, geez, these guys must have been friends since high school.

I mean, they are laughing and having so much fun.

And their conversation was all over the place.

But even when it went throughout politics, it was clear that the couple was very liberal.

I would say the wife more so than the husband.

He seemed to be sort of center-left.

And the other gentleman that was sitting with them was clearly center-right.

And they were talking about their points of view, who they liked,

and

of course, I

had to eventually join into the conversation.

By the way, not during politics, but it was over picking bourbon because

they had just been to the bourbon trail in Kentucky.

So what did you say to him?

So

we first started talking about bourbon and then you know I said so like did you guys go to high school together?

And they're like, no, we just met 15 minutes ago.

And

I said, that's so amazing.

You seem like you know each other forever.

And I've just been observing you and you've been hugging and you've been, you know, talking about, you know, they talked about abortion.

They talked about gun rights.

they talked about Biden and Trump.

By the way,

the Democrat family does not want Biden to run, and the Republican wants DeSantis, not Trump.

But they're like, yeah, well, why, you know, how do you learn to

sort of be able to argue your convictions robustly without understanding someone else's point of view?

And once in a while, your point of view might even get changed.

So it makes no sense to us to not engage with each other on something like that.

So I find that to be more normal

than

unusual.

Usually not with me, because if somebody gets in front of me and has a different point of view, they suddenly begin to speak for all of their friends who have ever said anything.

And so I don't get that luxury.

But I know other people and I watch it happen

with other people.

You find that to be true?

I do find that to be true.

So two weeks ago,

Ron DeSantis came to Pennsylvania and he did a speech at the Pennsylvania Leadership Conference.

And, you know, this is, you know, sort of the heart of the grassroots movement, this event every year held in Pennsylvania.

Grassroots people come from all over the state to come and go to this.

And everyone has spoken to it over the years.

This is Roger Santa's first time.

And I was watching, like, I was watching this thing, and there were tons of people

with MAGA hats on.

And I was like, oh, hmm, I wonder how this is going to go, right?

He

brought the house down

and

really just

gave this speech that really spoke to people and was very forward-thinking.

And I saw, and I watched all the people with the MAGA hats on.

I'm like, okay, what are they going to do?

And

they were the first people, along with everyone else, to stand up and give him standing ovation after standing ovation.

Hang on just a second.

I believe that what I said before you were introduced.

I saw it.

I heard it.

Yeah.

And I think that's true.

I think MAGA people, they might want Trump.

They might

think, I'd really rather have DeSantis, but they're still wearing the hat.

And they will back Trump or DeSantis if the two of them don't kill each other.

Well, here's the interesting thing, Glenn, and because I heard what you said beforehand, I think it's really important that you hear this, because this is what I heard over and over again among these voters.

They loved Trump, every one of them.

Not all of them loved his comportment, but they accepted it.

But a lot of them are saying, look,

I loved him.

This is nothing against him.

However, I'm not looking in the rearview mirror.

I am ready to go forward.

I think it's time we went with someone younger.

And they didn't kill each other by being able to have that conversation.

And they said, look, if he is the nominee, we'll go for it.

But and and with the other thing I found, which I thought was so fascinating, back in 2016, there was, and you read all my stuff, we've talked a lot about it, there was the silent Trump voter, right?

The person who was afraid to say they were for Trump over Hillary Clinton.

Now

the silent DeSantis voter because they think their family is going to get mad because they like him over Trump.

Isn't that amazing?

Well, and one woman put it perfectly.

I thought this was so perfect.

She said, you know, reporters don't understand it, but we can actually walk and chew gum at the same time.

We can still love Donald Trump.

We can still have respected and appreciated his presidency.

And I thought that was like, that's it.

That's the nugget people are missing.

I think so too.

And I, you know, no matter what happens, I will always have a very soft place in my heart for Donald Trump because that guy has taken a beating

for all of us, really.

He's just become the icon of it.

He took a beating unlike any person I have ever seen anywhere in politics.

And he's still taking a beating.

And so, you know, some people, you know,

don't want to say anything because You know, you don't, you don't want to tear him down.

He's, you know, in a vote against him.

Is that tearing him down?

I don't know, but

there's great loyalty.

I have, and I was against him.

I have great loyalty to him.

Yeah.

I think that people have loyal.

People are able to separate it.

Yes, I think so too.

I have

loyalty to his ideals.

I have loyalty to what he did, how he stuck his neck up for Alpha.

I have loyalty for what he did for this country.

And I'm still will always have that loyalty.

That doesn't mean I it does not mean that I don't like him even though I want someone else to carry the torch forward.

This seems to much more nuanced than

how

reporters tend to generalize things too much and stereotype things too much.

And they also are dying for a fight.

Like they're dying for a fight.

They want to see they want to see this sort of bloodbath between DeSantis and Trump.

And conservatives, they just want to win.

They've had three elections in a row of not winning.

And they're pretty tired of that.

Yeah, I don't want to fight.

I don't want to fight between us.

I just want to elect the guy who's going to fight for us.

And that means fight in the party.

That means fight.

I want somebody who's going to stand up and stand up to the Mitch McConnells and the Joe Bidens and the Merritt Garlands and all of those people.

And I think that's where the calculation, like the Trump has understood

that sentiment that you're talking about.

Unfortunately, I think for conservatives, and it's giving conservatives a bellyache, is that he's also taking it to another Republican.

And so that ad that you played, my goodness in heaven.

I felt like I was listening

the ad that Nancy Pelosi's team ran against Paul Ryan in like 2009.

Right.

It was right out of their

playbook.

And sort of watching all the stories against Ron DeSantis being dropped in the Daily Beast and NBC News is also kind of weird, right?

Yeah.

And so, you know, voters don't miss this.

And I think that they need to, if Trump wants to be successful, this is likely not the way to do it.

Selena, thank you so much.

It's always great to talk to you.

Thank you for

your

thank you for your diligence of going on the road and actually listening to people.

You're fascinating.

You're the most fascinating journalist out there, I think.

I'm in Kentucky right now.

If people want to follow me, they can just go to selenazito.com and they can see what kind of trouble I'm causing next.

Thanks a lot.

Selenazito, SelenaZito.com.

Thank you so much, Selena.

She's awesome.

I love her.

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All righty.

So, Stu, are you going to see my big fat face in Nefarious this weekend?

I'm excited to see it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

No, that wasn't an answer to the question.

Are you going to go this weekend?

This weekend is going to be a week.

I have a lot of things going on this weekend.

I have approximately 37 sporting events to go to with the children this weekend, so I do not know if I will get there this weekend.

Oh, it's not a sporting event.

It's a children's sporting event.

Yeah, my favorite players are playing.

My favorite gymnast, my favorite baseball and football player, all in action multiple times this week your favorite absolutely

100 really so you're going to be at the draft and you're like this one he's the best he's my favorite put him in yes of course he's my son and my and she's my daughter so yes that's more than that's the best sporting event yes it is it's freaking fun man and it really is like

it is but you know what i love it i know what you're saying it's just torture because it's just all the time go go go go go

and i i don't mind i I mean, I like sports.

You know, if I could get front row seats to see the Toronto Blue Jays, which are my favorite team, America's team, of course, play every day,

I would love that.

And like, you know, Zach's my favorite baseball player.

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