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I don't know if you've decorated your tree yet, but I put handcuffs on mine.

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You know, the kids come home from school.

Sure, they're only in the third grade, but they're like, handcuffs?

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You guys are sick.

Oh my gosh, what is that all about?

Today, the indictment.

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The media is very, very upset.

I'd like to play just a, just a couple of clips here where they're very sad today.

Very, very sad.

Here's cut one.

You're right, this is a somber moment

for America.

It is a solemn time for America.

It's really a surreal moment.

It will be a solemn and somber moment.

But I do think that

it is a somber day that we're seeing a former president, you know, criminally charged, but it's a reminder that no one's above the law.

No one or loathe Donald Trump.

It's a sad day for America.

Well, you know, it's obviously a somber moment, and it's a sad moment.

Why would you counsel people

that we're looking at a moment that we ought not be celebrating?

Because it's a sad moment.

Eric Swalwell issued a statement calling the indictment, quote, a somber day for

America.

Adam Schiff, who was one of the managers who led Trump's first impeachment trial, told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow last night that the indictment marks a sad and sobering day.

You called Trump's indictment a solemn day for our nation.

As of tonight, it's a sad moment, but the president of the United States, the former president, is not above the law.

Not above the law.

Not above the law.

No one is, Glenn.

This proves it.

Yes.

No one is above the law.

And I will say this day where we're getting this thing that we've begged and pleaded for for the past seven years is a sad sad sad.

And you should believe us.

Right.

You should believe us when we tell you that.

The thing we've told you is the most important thing that could ever happen.

And the thing we've been begging and pleading for on the air for seven years, that's the thing that's sad and sobering.

Yeah,

we're sad.

Now, we do have party favors

in the lunchroom,

but here on the broadcast floor, somber, sad.

Sad.

And no one is above the law.

Well, well, Michael Isakoff seems to be a little above the law.

He has an exclusive that Trump is to be charged with 34 counts of felony.

Now,

leaking that information is a felony, but it's

no one is again, nobody is above the law.

I mean Biesakoff, though, that would be in trouble, right?

It would be the person who leaked it to Biesakov.

Right.

Well, I mean, I think there's a special place in hell for Michael Isaakoff, if you remember.

I mean, I think it was ironic today that it is coming from Isakoff.

Do you remember in 2016 when paul manafort uh joined the trump campaign politico reported that uh one of our uh embassy people chalupa do you remember chalupa yeah i often believe me i think about chalupas all the time no not that chalupa no that this is a different delicious chalupa no anyway um okay so chalupa was working with the embassy staff in Ukraine to raise alarm bells on Paul Manafort to the Ukrainian president.

She said, quote, the embassy worked directly with reporters researching Trump, Manafort, and Russia to point them in the right direction.

The embassy

was pointing reporters in the right direction.

Great.

Now,

one of the hacked DNC emails that came out, released on WikiLeaks,

was between Chalupa and the former DNC communications director.

In that email, Chalupa checks in reporting she's going to speak to the Library of Congress specifically about Manafort.

She also says that she has invited journalist Michael Issakoff and that she had been working with him over the past few weeks.

Now, that's weird because Isakoff was the guy who wrote the article for Yahoo News News that detailed some of the things in the Steele dossier.

In fact, Christopher Steele leaked the dossier directly to Issakoff.

And then it was Isakoff's story

that was used as corroborating evidence to justify a FISA warrant on Carter Page.

So Isakoff played kind of a crucial role in the last crime.

And you're saying he's well sourced.

He's well sourced on this somber day.

On this somber,

sad,

sad, sobering day.

It is exactly what I'm talking about, Stu.

Now, no one is above the law, right?

But there seems to be a problem with the federal government,

you know, enforcing some of these laws.

Now,

I just tweeted out

the business-related crimes and the sex and drug crimes.

Now,

so far on his laptop, on Hunter Biden's laptop, only 60 felonies have been found.

Just the 60.

But just the 60.

Okay.

Okay.

And these aren't things that you have to, you know, really go snoop around for.

They're many of them on videotape.

Okay.

On videotape.

Now, I thought to myself, you know, the FBI is so bogged down on January 6th and other things like that.

There's got to be a few local DAs

that would like to make a name for themselves.

and indict

the president's son and maybe the whole family on some of these crimes.

Now, it's weird.

A lot of these crimes happen in the District of Columbia.

They also happen in Delaware.

But there's a couple in Arkansas.

There is one in Florida.

There's got to be somebody,

one in Oklahoma, I believe.

There's got to be somebody

in a district where these crimes were committed

that you just want to see justice served

on this somber

somber day

sobering glenn sobering what you just said it was it was somber it was sobering it was sad sad sad somber sobering

It's it is it's what today's all really all about.

It is now you aren't saying that people should go after Hunter Biden as revenge are you

of course not i'm saying no one is above the law no one no no one is above the law no and if a former president isn't above the law certainly just some random citizen who

happens to be related yeah to a president but also it happens to be you know

Escort Service's number one national client.

But he certainly isn't above the law, right?

No.

Because I get, I come back to this often when I think about the Hunter Biden thing.

I feel like if I did any of the things on this list, I would definitely go to jail.

Excuse me,

if on my laptop,

I had saved me with a Russian hooker, not in America, one that actually works for Russia, a Russian hooker,

and I was weighing crack on my crack cocaine scale.

Do you think I'd be broadcasting today?

I'm going to go with a big fat no.

I would say

that would be a no.

Yes.

Yeah.

You would be

think I would be just out of a job or do you think I might be in jail?

I think you might be in jail.

I think I might be in jail.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Would I belong in jail?

Yeah.

If I had done that crime, yeah.

That's how the law works.

Again, I feel like I'm talking about a foreign country that I don't understand the customs.

But like my understanding of how this works is: if you do something illegal, typically you go to jail.

Yeah, if you're caught on video doing it, you definitely go to jail, right?

That's that was my understanding.

Unless you're burning a city down,

yeah, but see, I didn't think that was the way this worked.

I thought, I honestly thought that if you were to light a building on fire, let's say a police precinct, if you were to take it over, yeah, and light it on fire, see what's happening here.

I thought that would make you go to jail for like a really long time.

I am sorry.

I am sorry.

I just have to introduce myself.

I'm Glenn.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

You look a lot like Stew, but I think you're a Stew from another universe.

Oh, did I cross it?

So you'll pop in from time to time, and they'll be like, what's this country all about?

What the hell is this crap he made?

Whoa, whoa, whoa.

You're talking about my country, man.

Yeah, no, I know.

I know what I'm talking about.

My country in the other dimension is like sane.

Is this this insane?

Is it?

I suppose.

I suppose you, you, all your children don't go to the hospital within the first eight months just to switch up their organs.

Oh, they just look like if they're born a boy, they just remain a boy.

Oh my gosh, what a hate-mongering universe you're in.

It's a weird one.

Now that I'm thinking about it, you know, all I can think about as I come to these realizations is that it's sad.

It's sobering.

It is.

It is

somber.

It's somber.

It's all three of things.

Wow.

And we mean that, by the way.

We don't, we're not, you know, we don't, when we go to commercial break, we're not celebrating and doing shots of fireball in between the breaks.

No, no.

We are sad and sort of sober about this situation.

Now,

when they said sobering, that this news is sobering, is that because they're drunk?

Right.

Yes.

Okay.

All right.

It's like a hot hot cup of coffee

and a cold shower.

It's sobering.

It's sobering.

We're currently drunk after our big party last night celebrating this event.

And now

it's sobering being on the air and not looking at it.

We're looking at this and we're saying, what a tragedy.

We've been working towards it.

We've lied to you over and over to try to make it happen.

Right.

In any way, shape, or form.

I mean, we...

We dedicated our lives

to make this happen.

We went the extra step of making Russian stuff up with Michael Issakov.

We're fine with it.

Okay.

And we're totally fine with it.

We wanted to sell our country down the river.

Fact, we've been telling you that

these protests are mostly peaceful and they're burning cities to the ground.

We don't care.

We're cool.

We're happy.

We're cool.

We're like, hey, that's justice, right?

But today.

Today.

Today is sobering.

So sobering.

So sad.

So somber.

So sombering.

So saddening.

And so sombre.

What we're going to try to struggle through today, Trump is going to be charged today.

They're saying no handcuffs, no handcuffs.

You know, the mug shot probably,

but I want to race people.

As soon as that mugshot comes out,

we're going to race.

They can come out with the t-shirt fast enough.

I think we can.

Glenn.

I think we can.

Glenn.

In New York State, they don't release these, so we'll probably never see it.

There's no chance someone would leak it.

That couldn't happen.

Well, it would be.

They don't release them officially.

It'd be sobering if it did.

Somber.

It would be something that I would look at and go, how did they?

I would say sad.

Would you say sad?

I would say sad.

I would.

It's sad.

It's a sad, somber day.

It's a public.

It's a sad, sombering, saddening,

sad, somber day.

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Wow.

Sad.

Do they actually believe we're going to think they think this is a sad moment in our history?

They don't at all.

They are happy about it.

They're excited about it.

They pushed for it for years and years and years and years.

It has been their top priority, their fascination, their obsession.

for longer than any of us can remember, putting this one person behind bars in some way.

This is not sobering.

It's not sad.

It's them thinking they're getting some big victory.

I don't know if it's going to work out that way, but that's what they certainly believe today.

Well, I mean, you know, you've built a case

around

your chief witness, Michael Cohen, who is

a felon and convicted liar

who also has a lot of hatred for Donald Trump.

Yeah, you know, and he's also the big new left-wing media star.

Isn't that interesting?

It's fascinating because, you know,

when Michael Cohen was working for Donald Trump,

I believed he probably committed approximately three crimes per day.

He was never at any point trustworthy.

Even when he worked for Donald Trump, he was his fixer.

He was the guy who said and did anything.

But he's away from all that now.

And now

he's now just changed allegiance and now is saying, oh, well, now Trump is the worst guy.

You should believe me now.

And you know what?

I haven't changed.

I haven't changed my analysis on Michael Cohen, but the media has all just flip-flopped.

Now he's trustworthy.

Now he's honorable.

Now,

this is what they do every single time.

It's pathetic.

And you know what, Glenn?

It's somber.

And sad.

And sombering and sobering and sober and sad.

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He also didn't violate any federal laws by sending classified government communications

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Trump didn't violate federal law by hiring

through three paywalls a foreign national who was prohibited from working on presidential campaigns to compile a dossier to smear a presidential opponent.

He didn't do that.

He didn't do that.

Hillary did.

He didn't do that.

Trump didn't violate federal campaign laws by hiding her payments as legal services to Christopher Steele through bookkeeping deceptions.

He didn't do that.

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a crony to search out high-paying New York jobs for

maybe

testimony

before a special counsel.

Trump didn't, as Bill Clinton did, receive $500,000 honorarium for speaking in Moscow while his wife approved the long-standing and lucrative

deal with the Kremlin for North American uranium.

He didn't do that.

He also did not, as Barack Obama did, promise Vladimir Putin that he would be flexible on missile defense if during his own re-election Putin would in return give him some space.

That's something he didn't do.

Trump did not boast publicly, as Joe Biden did, that he had issued U.S.

foreign aid monies as leverage to have the Ukrainian government fire a prosecutor who may have been looking into his son and the Biden family crimes there in Ukraine.

You know what?

Another thing Trump didn't do is enrich all of his family members

through China and Ukraine and Russia, which is

which is weird, which is weird.

But I'm only halfway through the crimes that he didn't commit, that the Democrats did.

But hey, hey, listen, no one's above the law.

Well, I mean, except for Democrats.

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Well, today is a day.

It's a sad and sobering and sombering kind of day.

According to the media, they're very sad, sober, and it's a somber day for them as we see a President of the United States be indicted on

local charges, but a felony, which is weird.

But former President Donald Trump is expected to be arraigned today on about 30 charges, according to the mainstream media.

We have no idea what these charges are.

We have no idea how many.

We have no idea.

The indictment remains sealed.

So there's no way you could officially know any of the charges.

Yeah, in theory, even Donald Donald Trump does not currently know what the charges are.

Correct.

Until he goes to that room where he will hear them for the first time, that's when he learns about them.

And so it's important to note that everything we know, we quote unquote know about these charges, we know from mainstream media reporting right now.

So really, this could go any number of directions.

Now, they've been leaking to mainstream media like crazy.

So you can believe that some of it probably is accurate.

All of those leaks would be felonies.

but

I'm sure Bragg will be right on top of prosecuting that.

He's going to be very concerned about those leaks.

We have Arfur Bigglesworth there at the

do we not?

Do we have our is Arfur ready

at all?

Sure.

Is Arfur, are you there?

Hello.

Hi, Arfur.

Bragg, can you hear me?

Yes, I can.

I'm currently hovering above Trump Tower.

You're above Trump Tower now.

Yes.

With a telescope.

Right.

And I'm trying to see if Donald Trump.

It's Cogle on the cropper.

That's not what we have.

We can get this information to you

to see if he's doing a number one order.

Okay, all right.

We're not.

Arthur, we'll call you.

We'll call you when you have.

When you have something.

Yes.

He's tickling.

He's tickling.

Okay.

Thank you.

He is

Thank you.

All right.

Thank you.

Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you.

That would be

Arfer Bigglesworth, who is up in the

Mercury Chopper, apparently, today.

So we have

Donald Trump going in.

He will

go in and surrender himself today

at some point early this morning.

And then I think it's at 1 o'clock he's arraigned, 1 or 2 o'clock Eastern Time.

Now, they are having

a protest.

Marjorie Taylor Greene is hosting a protest with Trump supporters at 10.30, which just doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

Just doesn't,

you know, maybe it's just me, but uh,

not a good idea.

It does seem like the type of thing that could go awry.

Perhaps people being baited into stuff and perhaps counter-protests that

you're mostly peaceful counter-protesters may show at this particular event and not really be mostly peaceful.

What?

Yeah.

Well, I'm just

saying.

I'm just saying.

So we have the indictment coming out, and I'm all a tingle.

Now,

this is kind of a big thing because, again, we're learning today that no one is above the law,

especially with D.A.

Bragg.

He is, he's quite an amazing.

I mean, yes, okay, in Manhattan, I mean,

you know,

felony assault, you know, is probably a little

above the law or major crime.

That's up 22% in New York.

You know, last year, there was a convicted sex offender who put a man in a coma and walked free.

That guy, that guy,

above the law.

So, but it is.

I mean, his defining characteristic is letting people off for crimes they committed.

That is legitimately the only thing that Alvin Bragg is known for.

But doesn't it make sense that you let people off for crimes they committed and you prosecute people for crimes they didn't commit.

No, it does not make sense.

Why?

It's sad.

And we don't know if, I mean, we have no idea what these 30 felony charges are.

30.

I mean, 34, right?

That's what was reported to us.

I mean, that's crazy.

I guess.

What are they?

Every single time it's written down in a piece of paper is a separate count type of thing?

Is that basically what we're doing here?

We're going to find out some of this later today.

It's just, and right now they're just focused on so many other stupid, sad, sober things.

Now,

CNN had Wolf Blitzer on yesterday and still

the hairiest guy on television.

And, you know, who doesn't want to see that?

America is flocking to the Wolf Blitzer extravaganza every day.

But he was on yesterday and he said, we're getting.

I don't know why he always shouts.

We're getting new CNN polling revealing how the American public is reacting to the former president's indictment.

Okay.

If I asked you now,

how are you reacting to the indictment?

What would you...

Well, I haven't seen it yet, so it would be hard to react to that indictment.

I'm kind of pissed because I

think it's probably BS, but until I see it, I can't be sure.

Okay, good, good, good.

We went into the field, did you wolf?

We went into the field and we did this new exclusive CNN poll.

What a stupid sentence that is.

Conducted by SSRS just after the indictment last Thursday.

Okay, so they did this poll last Thursday.

We had no information.

No information.

64% of Americans approve of the indictment of Donald Trump.

40% disapprove.

Wait, what were those numbers again?

60%.

60, 40?

40.

Yeah, okay.

So, wait a minute.

Hang on.

I've just

60% approve of

what?

We don't know.

What?

Indicting him.

Get him.

I mean, really?

That's really what it is.

I mean, I guess we're no better because we're like,

this is hogwash.

We don't know until today.

We don't know.

We don't know for sure, right?

My guess is just from the

long and storied and sobering kind of

saga that we've gone through with Donald Trump, they always are like, this is it, Glenn,

this is it.

This time we're really going to get him.

And then you find out, no, not so much.

No, uh-uh.

So, I mean, judging from past performance, I'd say this one, nope, uh-uh, not going to do it.

But maybe that's just me.

94% of Democrats approve of the indictment.

94%

of Democrats.

You know what that is?

That's

Saddam Hussein voting numbers.

That's what that is.

94%.

Remember, we used to say, there's no way that's real.

Right.

Yeah, it is.

Yeah, apparently it is.

94%.

Democrats, 94% approve of the indictment that has yet to be released.

62% of Independents and 21% of Republicans.

Now, I just want to show you, 21% of Republicans approve

and 6%

of Democrats.

Wait.

No, I'm sorry.

94% of Democrats.

So 21% of Republicans approve of the indictment.

Yeah.

That's a higher number than I would have expected.

Right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

A lot higher.

A lot higher.

Which means we're not all in lockstep, perhaps.

Yeah.

I mean, you should judge this on the merits.

Yes.

You know,

and we can't judge it on the merits until we know what it is.

But what we know so far, which I would remind you is from mainstream media reporting.

So I don't know that it's necessarily reliable, but what we know so far seems to be very, very thin.

Right.

I mean, the idea that we've had multiple other people look at these same charges, all of them also hated Donald Trump, and none of them brought charges on this.

Well, so we went out in the field and we did this new exclusive CNN poll, and

we further asked respondents whether they believe Donald Trump's payment to Stormy Daniels was illegal, unethical, not illegal, not wrong at all, or not sure.

Wow.

So,

so wait, we're asking the American people, what was it again?

If it was legal, the Trump payment.

Now, it should be noted that, generally speaking, it's not illegal to pay somebody to keep an affair quiet.

It's not illegal.

Otherwise, Bill Clinton would have been rotten in prison for a very long time.

But this case,

37% of the American people said the payment was illegal.

I'd like to, Wolf, I'd like to have a follow-up question.

What part of it was illegal?

What made that illegal?

Because

I would guess maybe 99%

would say,

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

They have no idea what they're even talking about.

So

52%

of independents, 52%

say,

yeah,

this is political.

Political.

76%

of all Americans say, yeah, this was just a political driven event.

Only 14% say no.

We have Arfur on again.

Arfur Bigglesworth, apparently, he is in the helicopter now.

Yes.

Can you hear me?

Yes, I can.

We are reporting on McDonald Trump a Redmit.

And I was asked asked to stop hovering outside of the window of Trump Tower.

Oh, I turned my helicopter out there for a second.

I've been doing lots of research all day, and all the implications to our country on this side is over, it's happening.

Okay,

what have you found?

Well, one thing I've done is I've been looking for clues

on what exactly went down.

How did all of this happen?

And

in that process, I've watched 37 Stormy Daniels movies.

Including Finally Legal Seven.

What was that one?

Finally Legal Seven.

Finally Legal Seven.

Yeah.

Uh-huh.

Dual airbags.

That's a

that's a is that an actual movie that Stormy Daniels is in?

Dual airbags, dual airbags, okay,

blonde edition.

Arthur, we'll

check in with you again on this sad and somber day.

Somber day.

Those aren't real, are they?

Totally real.

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Who the hell would agree to be in that movie?

I mean, dual airbags, maybe you could just say.

All right, that might, I get what we're going.

Mad cow,

it's a disease, and they're calling you fat.

Why would you say yes to that?

What was the first one?

Uh, the first one was what was it?

Uh,

oh, uh, finally legal seven, which I get, she's been legal for a long time.

What sort of restrictive society when you have a 42-year-old making consensus?

Oh my gosh.

I wonder if there were any clues in those movies, though.

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the research continues, boys.

Yes.

I mean, we have to know.

So was she just a porn star or

because, I mean, she was in the world famous Space Nuts.

Oh, that was her.

Yeah, it was.

I thought it was a nice one.

I recognized her from Space Nuts.

Which is a kind of

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Wow.

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Yeah.

Yes.

She had actually a bit of a crossover career before she was known for the Trump stuff.

She was in

a couple of the Judd Apatau

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So she had a little bit of a, you know, this is something that was attempted routinely by quote-unquote porn stars that tried to cross over, and they would generally play

women without clothes on in regular movies.

It was a real stretch.

Real stretch.

Well, it's like Shakespeare in comparison to what you were doing yeah so all right more in just a second um we are going to talk to a man who knows uh the uh southern district of new york knows the uh district attorney and knows the law we have him coming up next to tell us the glenn back program about the indictment

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All right, the indictment is coming down today.

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Hi, Andrew.

How are you, sir?

Glenn, I'm doing great.

How are you?

Good.

I mean, if you listen to the press,

it's a somber and sad and sobering day.

And it is all of those things.

I just don't believe they believe that.

Can you give us some idea of what today is going to look like?

Well, it's going to look like the beginning of a process that

I think is being

misdescribed in the press because we're kind of a step behind.

What they're explaining to you, and the reason this is supposed to be a sad and somber day in

the theater before us, is that this is the beginning of the criminal justice process where someone is brought in and arraigned on a set of formal allegations known as an indictment, and that begins the formal process of a criminal case.

But I think, Glenn,

just as Alvin Bragg

would be better understood

by the public as an elected progressive Democrat than as a law enforcement official, you know, back in the, back probably a decade ago, it was still the case, even in Manhattan, that if you were to campaign as someone whose agenda was to put the

law enforcement power of the office in the service of a partisan agenda to go after one particular nemesis of the party, that would have been disqualifying.

Now it's what's expected in Manhattan.

And this process is not really in the end.

It's not about whether they can take a trifling case, and it really is trifling.

It's a case Bragg would never bring against anyone else.

But it's not whether they can bring a trifling set of allegations and prove them and Donald Trump is found guilty or not guilty.

This is about making the process the penalty.

This is about

making this as

financially prohibitive, emotionally wrenching, and personally humiliating as

they can for Trump.

And it's kind of the criminal justice system version of the Kavanaugh confirmation hearing.

It's to create an interrorum effect

which conveys to conservatives and Trump supporters and anyone else who opposes this Bolshevik left that this is what we've got for you

if you dare to oppose us.

And that's what this is really about.

It's not so much a criminal justice process, which is, you know, we can go through the nuts and bolts of that, but we should acknowledge, I think, what's really happening here.

So can you,

because now, I mean, you can indict a ham sandwich is the old saying,

but it's got to go to a jury and got to go through trial now.

Do you think you can get a fair trial in Manhattan for Donald Trump?

I think

if the court were fair,

The answer to that would be yes.

I mean, I tried terrorists in the 1990s in that same little

square mile area of Manhattan, only eight blocks away from where they had bombed the World Trade Center.

And, you know, terrorists

were very unpopular, obviously, with New York juries.

But no one who looked at that case didn't think that we got a fair jury for it.

But if the process is rigged, you know, we got a fair jury because the process wasn't rigged.

We had a fair judge.

We had a due process of law.

The question is, is the court going to be as rigged against Trump as the DA is?

If that's the case, then, you know, it's already over.

How is this possible?

How did this?

I mean,

it's stunning, I think, to most Americans to see what's happening in Washington, D.C.

with our court system, what's happening in New York with our court system.

It's one thing for the DA.

It's another.

to have the court system so far gone on politics.

Well, it's really a reflection, Glenn, of what's happened in the culture.

And the reason I can say that with confidence is

in the federal system,

judges and district attorneys who are U.S.

attorneys in the federal system, they're not elected officials.

They're appointed by the president.

In theory, the credentials for those kinds of positions are that you will uphold the rule of law without fear or favor.

You won't use your power as a partisan weapon.

And we have them vetted by the Senate, at least in theory, to make sure that they're the kind of people who won't do that.

That's not what we have in the state system.

These positions are elected positions.

And at a certain point, the

well springs of funding on the progressive left, George Soros' name is mentioned all the time, but he's hardly the only figure who's of importance here.

But they realize that, you know, in these one-party blue cities,

DA's positions, there virtually was not a campaign at all for them.

They were decided by the party bosses, like who would fill the slot.

They're not competitive races.

They were five-figure campaigns at best and probably in the low five-figures.

So these guys realized they could come in with, you know, six, seven figures of funding, blow away the competition, install their own progressive prosecutors into these lots, and that's real power.

It's one thing to take over the courts or to take over a legislature.

They're kind of slow-moving institutions.

But if you're a prosecutor, you have real instant power.

You can decide who gets charged, who doesn't get charged.

It doesn't matter how aggressive the police are.

It's up to the prosecutor what happens to these cases.

So if you get a progressive ideologue in that kind of a position with no effective political check on him, that's real power.

And that's what's happened in

these municipalities.

So tell me about what you know about the case.

I mean, we have heard that this is about Stormy Daniels, but that is something that the FEC passed on,

the

federal system passed on, the statue of limitations is over, and it's a misdemeanor, and he has made it into a felony charge, and there are 34 felonies.

That's what we've heard.

What do you think you know?

Well, I think he's taking two transactions, which are these hush money arrangements with two women who claim to have had affairs with Trump

around 2006

and who were

paid off in different ways in the waning weeks of the 2016 election when their extortionate leverage was highest to try to get paid off to remain silent about their past interaction with Trump.

So this is all seven years old.

That's when these nondisclosure arrangements were done.

And I think the way they're getting 34 counts out of it, Glenn, is the kind of abuse of prosecutorial authority that they warn against in the Justice Department manual, where they tell you not to not to stack up counts where it's not necessary.

A lot of times, rogue prosecutors will try to camouflage with quantity the lack of quality of the evidence of their case.

And it's easy to do this.

You know, if you and I were in a stolen,

let's say we're in a stolen property conspiracy, we're going to try to transfer and steal stolen property.

I hand it to you to say, Glenn, what do you think this is worth?

And you hand it back to me after you've appraised it.

And I say, well, take another look.

And, you know, by the time we've passed it back and forth eight times, each one of the times we hand it from one to the other is a separate felony.

Now, no one, sensible, ever charges it that way.

There's just two of us and one set of stolen property.

But you can see the mischief that can be made

if you get hyper-technical about what they say a distribution means.

So what I think happened here is, especially with Stormy Daniels, this is the easiest one to explain.

Michael Cohen lays out the money.

And then they decide they're going to pay Cohen by making it look like he's getting paid legal fees rather than being reimbursed for a loan.

So they decide to pay him over 12 installments.

They have him submit an invoice, and then Trump or someone in the Trump organization pays him a check.

So what I imagine is with each individual payment, there's an invoice, there's a check, and there's some entry on the records.

So just, you know, based on what the example I just gave you, you can easily see where we could come up with 36 charges, right, just from that, even though it's all one scheme.

So that's the kind of game they're playing here.

And the idea, Glenn, is there's not much evidence here, but it's a subtle way of trying to convey to the jury that this guy must be a terrible guy, because otherwise, why would the state have lodged 34 counts against him?

Correct.

Oh, my God, he must be Nikki Barnes.

So

when you look at these charges, first of all, is it illegal for Donald Trump to pay either of these women off?

No.

Nondisclosure agreements are a staple of civil litigation in the United States.

They happen all the time.

And that's not even immoral.

I mean, what they were charging may have been immoral, but for him to pay them off, it's not immoral and it's not illegal.

It's a business transaction.

It happens all the time.

Right.

So what what's going on is Bragg, in his mind, as a progressive Democrat, he has decided that it can't possibly be that the Democrats ran an atrocious candidate against Trump.

It must be that he stole the 2016 election.

And the way he did it was by having these dark hush money arrangements, which he didn't disclose before Election Day.

And that's why Mrs.

Clinton was defeated.

So this has to be pursued as if it were a violation of the campaign finance laws.

And mind you, Glenn, if it actually was a campaign finance expenditure, which I don't think it was as a matter of law, Trump wouldn't have had to disclose it, even if he considered it one, until long after the 2016 election.

So this whole thing is like left-wing fantasy land, but that's what we're...

So wait a minute.

But they're trying to get him because they claimed it was legal, which seems more reasonable to me that it was illegal.

You are taking and you are paying somebody and you're having your attorney have them sign a paper.

So

it's a legal expense.

In my book, it would be, much more than campaign.

If he would have made a campaign

expenditure, then he's using campaign money for personal stuff.

I mean, that would have been worse, wouldn't it?

Yeah, they would have gotten him on that.

This is not one of these things where there's a way out.

There's not.

I mean, they get him coming and going.

If he didn't disclose it, it's because he was intentionally violating the campaign finance laws.

And if he had disclosed it as a campaign expense, they would have said how outrageous it was that would use campaign funds for something like this.

So, yes,

it's Costco.

I mean, they just get him whichever way he goes.

Giving

the other side the benefit of the doubt, giving the prosecution, and I don't know if you can, but try, giving them a benefit of the doubt.

Is there any way you could make this case make sense without politics?

No.

Well, no, but

to broaden the lens,

Brad's agenda with respect to everyone who's not named Donald Trump is to not prosecute.

Correct.

So what we have in New York is we have very serious crimes which are felonies, which he either pleads down to misdemeanors or, just as commonly, doesn't prosecute at all.

So the thought that anybody in New York would be prosecuted for misdemeanor falsification of records is very hard to take because we have people committing serious crimes here who don't get prosecuted.

So it's really hard to take the politics out of this, Glenn.

Plus,

just to go back to the beginning, he's an elected official.

He's not an appointed law enforcement official.

He got elected promising to leverage his power against Trump.

Okay, we're talking to Andy McCarthy.

Hang on just a second for one minute, Andy.

I want to come back and I want to talk to you about how does a misdemeanor become a felony?

And then also, they're talking about a gag order.

And I don't even understand how you could legally do that to Donald Trump.

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Now, isn't the exact same thing that Donald Trump is accused of doing?

Isn't it the same thing that Hillary Clinton was accused and convicted of doing or her campaign?

Well, what he's formally going to be accused of is falsifying Trump organization business records.

And the way they get that into a felony is in New York, the misdemeanor can become a felony if the person was trying to cover up another crime.

by falsifying the records.

So I don't even think they're going to be able to prove, if it's a fair proceeding, that there's a falsification of records because for that, you have to show that the person acted with an intent to defraud.

And I don't see any intent to defraud here.

There's nobody who was conceivably harmed by the way that they booked this thing.

But it's even more preposterous to say that he concealed another crime because the crime I think they want to point to is campaign finance violations, the failure to disclose this as a campaign

in-kind donation.

And not only was it not one, but more to the point, when the New York statute talks about concealing another crime, what they're obviously talking about is a New York penal crime, not a federal campaign finance crime.

So I don't think that Bragg even has jurisdiction to enforce the federal

campaign finance laws if there was a violation here, which I don't think there was.

But didn't Hillary Clinton

charged because of the steel dossier?

She marked it down as a legal expense.

Isn't that the same, pretty much the same thing?

Yes.

In other words, misrepresenting what was an in-kind campaign contribution as legal

fees.

That's exactly right.

Yes.

Correct.

And so she paid a fine, and that's a misdemeanor.

Glenn, that's the other thing here.

Nobody gets prosecuted for

these campaign finance violations.

The Obama campaign in 2008 had like a record, I don't remember, it was like $2.5 million

violation.

They paid a $300,000 fine.

The last person prominently who was prosecuted for one of these things, John Edwards, the case was a disaster.

And this is actually an amusing bit because, you know, for Bragg to win,

he has to show that Trump not only knew that he had committed a campaign finance violation, but that he acted with that in mind in falsifying the records.

I don't know how he could have known this was a campaign finance violation, putting aside that it wasn't, when in the Edwards case, there's two federal bureaucracies that regulate this, the Justice Department and the Federal Election Commission.

They disagreed on whether it was a campaign violation.

The FEC said no.

The Justice Department prosecuted it.

And then the judge looked at it and said, well, you know, maybe it is, maybe it isn't.

He let it go to the jury, and the jury said no.

So who knows what a campaign financial

Andy, I don't know if you have time, but if you do, I'd like to

hold you over for the next break here in a couple of minutes because I do want to get into his attorney and also what can they do?

Can they silence Donald Trump?

Can you hang out for a few?

Yes, sure.

Great.

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Indictment's coming down.

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McCarthy.

So, Andy, tell me about

the representation that Donald Trump has.

Does he have a serious attorney?

Yeah, he's got good lawyers in New York, Glenn, and he added an experienced

former prosecutor, white-collar defense lawyer who's very good, was added to the team yesterday.

And this is a business records case in the end, so it's good to have somebody who knows the nuts and bolts of how you make a case like that and how you dismantle it.

Okay.

And there's talk about

Trump saying things and them charging him with additional crimes.

If he's speaking out against the district attorney, I have heard that there's a possible gag order from the judge.

Is any of that possible with a presidential candidate who's currently running?

Yeah, I don't think that there's a constitutional case for any gag order on Trump.

Now, there's a long tradition, Glenn, that judges can gag the lawyers in cases before them because as part of the privilege of practicing before a bar, you surrender some of your rights.

And also to get discovery in the case,

you have to comply with the judge's directive but Donald Trump is not a volunteer he's being dragged in

you know against his will obviously on this so it's not like he agreed as a as a price of participating in this process to surrender any of his rights and this is one of the the

you know million awful things that we're going to have to deal with where you have this intrusion of law enforcement process into electoral politics, which should never happen unless there's a really serious crime supported by convincing evidence.

Every day we're going to come up against some question of how this criminal process inhibits somebody who's trying to run for office, which he's got a right to do.

But it's particularly untoward, I think, Glenn, for this to happen in New York.

And I don't mean to sound like a broken record on this, but they have chosen in this state to make their criminal justice system infused with electoral politics.

They elect the district attorney.

It's a political process from the beginning.

So the idea that Bragg,

after politicizing this thing the way he's done, he can now file an indictment and now everybody's got to behave and act like this is all controlled by due process rules after he's spent like months and over a year poisoning the jury pool, now Trump has to shut up because we're worried about tainting the jury pool.

I mean, that's preposterous.

Ridiculous.

All right.

Last question.

How do you see this working out in the end?

If the case is

presided fairly

by the judge, then this case should be thrown out on the papers long before it ever gets to trial.

I think the statue of limitations.

Isn't that horrifying, Andrew, that you have to say that?

If this case is fairly adjudicated

in America?

Glenn, if you had talked if we had had this conversation three weeks ago, I would have said

if the district attorney faithfully executes his office, then Trump will never be charged.

Now we're on to the next phase, right?

It's crazy.

Just crazy.

Andrew, thank you so much.

We look forward to hearing your

words on exactly what things mean as soon as you can take a look at them.

Thank you so much.

Thanks so much, Glenn.

You bet.

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He'll have great stuff out on it today, I'm sure.

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McCarthy.

He's not a guy that always falls the way I expect him to fall either.

I mean,

he is

very, very fair on all of it and speaks his mind.

And you said earlier he knows this like the back of his hand.

That is absolutely true.

And this is just...

He knows every little bit of how all of the intricacies work here.

And it's tough because at times you kind of boil this down to, well, this just feels unfair.

Like the statute of limitations obviously is over.

This is ridiculous.

It's interesting to hear how far they have to stretch to get this done.

And he really laid that out, I thought, really well there.

It really is one of those situations where

the last few years, I think, the only thing that has held has been the courts.

Right?

Like, it feels like so many things have been overturned.

So many things have gone away that is not how our foundations were intended.

I think local and state courts have been dicey.

I think you're getting that feeling.

I know.

Yeah, I think you're getting that feeling because of the Supreme Court.

I know, but that is the court.

That's the system holding.

It's the only one.

It's the only thing.

I mean, we've had other good decisions as well.

But it feels like there's been a lot of things that have gone down these roads.

You know, like the, you know, like the

eviction ban.

Remember that?

Yeah.

They just threw this out there and you're just like, wait a minute, there's no way the president can do this, right?

And it got all the way there to the Supreme Court.

And the last,

the last line of defense said, okay, no, he can't do that.

And that's the only thing holding.

Yes.

And I feel like we're at, this is really where we are.

The system, we can't say that the system has been overturned because this is only part of the system.

Alvin Bragg is part of the system, but as a whole, the system is designed to overturn things like this.

You're supposed to be able to have enough checks and balances to have it so that one random guy who wants to make a name for himself and please his donors

can't get away with overturning presidential candidates.

And man, I don't know.

We are near that.

that line.

I really hope the system holds again.

I think it will in this case.

I'm not as certain in some of the others, but this one I think is so completely ridiculous and so obviously over the line that I think the courts will stop this eventually.

But, you know, they're going to drag them through hell before.

That'll be a year.

Yeah.

And it may very well be after the primary or after the election before we actually see this overturned.

Just crazy.

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Welcome to the Glen Beck program.

As we look, there's not a gigantic crowd

around

the

halls of justice

in New York.

There are people that are gathered around.

I urge you to stay calm and know exactly who is by your side.

I think January 6th, if it taught us one thing,

it taught us that the people who always chant, no justice, no peace, mean for us, no peace, no justice.

And so be very, very, very careful and know who you are aligning yourself with and keep your eyes peeled

and always,

always walk towards peace and justice.

Yeah, because if you do anything else, you're going to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law

because you don't support abortion and you don't support high taxes and you don't support socialism.

So you're going to lose if you try to do any of that.

And by the way, like I obviously don't support it for a hundred other reasons, but anything out of line with the law is going to get you in trouble when you will watch your political opponents burn down cities and walk away free.

Yep, that is how this society works right now.

And you should know it going in.

You might think it's wrong, but you better understand what the rules are.

Right.

And those are the rules right now.

And there are ways to

have your voice be heard.

Things you can do.

The most important thing you can do is make sure that your district attorney in your city, that your city council, everything else, your school board is locked up tight.

You need to pay attention locally because that's where they're attacking locally.

So,

you know, just button everything up and you can be vocal on Twitter and everything else.

If you feel you need to show a presence, which I think, you know, it's only the right thing to do for Donald Trump, to show, you know, support for him.

He has gone through an awful lot.

And he's only going through this because he dared to stand up to them.

And they want to teach everybody a lesson.

Donald Trump is pretty good at defending himself.

No, no, no, but I mean, you know, I would like him to know that

we're with you.

Thank you for sure.

Let me ask you this.

Do you think we're going to see

any rioting, clashing, violence around today?

No.

No.

I mean, I'm obviously just asking you to predict the future here.

This is the way you could know.

Yeah, and I have no idea, but I just don't know.

I mean, what about opposition

protesters coming in?

There's a big banner that has been unfurled in the streets that says Trump lies all the time.

Like, those people are out today.

They're planned to be there.

They've prepared with giant banners.

I mean, could you see something where there's clashing going from one side and one side fights back?

Are you worried about that today?

Always, but I don't think that.

I mean, I just, I hope we're not dumb enough to to walk into that trap.

You know, maybe we are, but I, I just, I don't see it.

Turning the other cheek is not easy.

It's something that had to be specifically encouraged.

It's something that people that marched with Martin Luther King had a very hard time holding, but they did.

I mean, they, they

had attack dogs and fire hoses and rubber bullets, and they did not respond.

When

that group of people shows up, that's when I'd feel comfortable marching

but you've got to be in a different a completely different mindset I want to remind you that this is holy week we have

Good Friday happening also Passover this Friday and Easter on Sunday and I would like to ask you I think there is a

I think this very good case that

America is just possessed.

I mean, we are just possessed.

There is real evil in our country.

And,

you know, it's worshiping ancient gods and it's evil.

And there's no way to break this.

You know, according to, you know, Jesus, I think it's in Matthew 14, maybe 9.

He talks about, you know, trying to, the apostles trying to order a demon out of somebody, couldn't get it done.

And Jesus says, Because you haven't fasted and prayed.

The only way to break this is through fast and prayer.

So I would really like to invite you to join me on fasting and praying and telling everybody you can to join us, fast and pray for the breaking of evil in our country and

some divine providence to break our way.

And if you don't know how to fast, look up in Isaiah 58:4,

he talks about, you know, the people are fasting

and God's not, you know, responding.

And so they ask God and he says, well, your fasts lead to quarreling and fighting, lashing out with violent blows.

Yeah, that's probably, he's probably saying that to the women who are like, I'm hungry.

And they get hangry and it's ugly.

He says, that's not a fast.

If the object is to hang your head like a reed and spread sackcloth and ashes under yourself, not a fast.

Here's what I want, releasing those unjustly bound, untying the thongs of the yoke, letting the oppressed go free, breaking every yoke, sharing your food with the hungry, taking the homeless poor into your home, clothing the naked when you see them, fulfilling your duty to your kinsmen.

That's how you fast.

It's not just a diet, it's not just eating or not eating,

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You're right, this is a somber moment for America.

It is a solemn time for America.

It's really a surreal moment.

It will be a solemn and somber moment.

But I do think that it is a somber day that we're seeing a former president, you know, criminally charged, but it's a reminder that no one's above the law.

Love or loathe Donald Trump, it's a sad day for America.

Well, you know, it's obviously a somber moment, and it's a sad moment.

How would you counsel people

that we're looking at a moment that we ought not to be celebrating because it's a sad moment?

Eric Swallow issued a statement calling the indictment, quote, a somber day for America.

Adam Schiff, who was one of the managers who led Trump's first impeachment trial, told MSNBC's Rachel Maddow last night that the indictment marks a sad and sobering day.

You called Trump's indictment a solemn day for our nation.

As of tonight, it's a sad moment, but the President of the United States, the former president, is not above the law.

Wow.

It is a sobering and somber and surreal and sad and spaghetti sort of day.

I was just looking for another S word.

Well, you missed solemn.

Solemn.

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Wow, the protesters are there, Stu.

Donald Trump's not there.

Donald Trump's not there.

He's going to be leaving soon, very soon.

He's getting ready to leave.

I can't wait for him to get ready to leave.

What a moment that will be.

What a

solemn, sad,

saddening,

salty kind of day.

Salty kind of day.

It is.

Is there part of you that...

Because part of me, like...

We all know the real serious parts of this, but like, it's also just fun to watch Donald Trump completely with a remote control

manipulate the media to do whatever he wants.

Oh, yeah.

Like,

here's the thing: there's no doubt in my mind he wins.

No matter, he could be in prison, but he will win.

You know what I mean?

There's no doubt.

He is very good at this.

And of course, they're playing along with it as well.

I mean, look, if Donald Trump didn't want 15 helicopters above his head as he drove from Mar-a-Lago and then from the, you know, to, from the airport to Trump Tower.

He could have called NetJets and said, hey, I'm going to take a plane, not the Trump plane, but a separate plane.

We're going to leave at 11.15 p.m.

the night before.

We're going to fly through the night.

And then we're going to get off.

We'll be at Trump Tower before anyone wakes up.

There is a 100% chance that someone within the Donald Trump camp told all the media the exact time he was leaving.

So they could all be up there and watch him go because Donald Trump wants that.

He knows this is his game to play.

And he is literally programming every major news network to.

He is so.

He does this better than anybody.

I'm telling you, I'm telling you, the media should charge him rent.

He's living in their head all the time.

And they all the time.

They just act like they are sad and somber.

No, it's a sad and somber and

sobering.

It's a sobering, somber, solemn.

It's not a solemn, sad day.

It is.

And they act that way.

And then they also act like they don't like it, which, of course, they do.

They want, they know this is going to bring in the ratings.

They know people are going to be hate watching it.

They know people are going to be tuning in.

And they're happy.

And they're happy.

And they believe,

you know, like Stalin did.

Show me the person and I'll find the crime.

They want to see this guy get in trouble.

And then, of course, they also, I think, and this is the part that is highly questionable on their behalf because they've already been burned by this philosophy.

But they want Trump to win this primary.

They want Trump to be the guy that Joe Biden faces because they think they can beat him.

And they've been burned by that belief before.

Yeah, but so have we.

I mean,

Biden.

You want Biden because he's beatable?

No, Biden was the one that beat Trump.

And, you know, in 2016, they were like,

yeah, we want him for Hillary because Hillary will kill him.

And they got burned.

Oh, yeah.

And then we felt, how can you lose to this guy?

And

the answer is cheating.

But

I don't know how it's going to come out this time.

If you listen to their telling, this is how they see this story.

2016, one, this is really what they believe.

Crazy

Russian hacking probably.

You know, he didn't tell anybody about the Stormy Daniels thing.

That would have changed things.

And we focused too much on the Hillary email scandal.

And that was just a quirky thing.

And it was before people knew what Trump would be like as a president.

Yeah, and we gave him too much airtime.

And we gave him too much airtime, which, again, is a strange thing that they seem to be doing again this time.

But.

Then what they see as what, again, I'm not endorsing this narrative, but their narrative is in 2018,

people saw Trump in office, and a bunch of the candidates he recommended lost.

We were able to have more success in 2018 than we expected.

2020, we understood the Trump playbook.

We knew how to beat him.

We did.

We went out there and we got it done.

2022, Trump's candidates got beat up pretty badly in the election.

They performed, I think the stat is five points behind.

non-Trump endorsed candidates.

And we have a playbook.

We know how to beat this guy.

Even with our terrible president who's doing a terrible job, we can beat this guy.

What's their plan to beat Ron DeSantis?

You saw it with Charlie Crist.

He lay off by 19 points in Florida, which used to be a swing state.

And in the previous election was a 0.4% difference.

Now,

I'm not saying they're right on that analysis because there's a lot of variables here.

And if they truly believed that Donald Trump was a unique threat to democracy, Surely they would not be doing what they're doing.

Surely they would not be doing what they're doing.

Because if you put put anybody in a two-person race, either side can win.

We are in a, remember, what's the biggest blowout election over the last, I don't know, in this era of partisanship?

Probably McCain-Obama, right?

Obama blew out McCain.

That was, you know what that, what that margin was popular vote-wise?

I want to say it was 5346.

Okay, these are not blowout elections.

We are not in an era of blowout elections.

No, and I and I don't know, that's why I say I don't know how this one wins.

I mean, this one ends up.

I don't know if Donald Trump or Ron DeSantis or anybody

is a blowout by, you could have unemployment and

depression happening.

And I'm not sure

Joe Biden is beatable because of the system and the way our mentality is right now.

Everybody's just like, bad, bad, they're good, they're bad.

And they're not thinking at all.

I mean, we're in an era where basically 46%

is the floor for either one of these two parties.

Right.

So you're talking about a really small, narrow window for either side to win.

They think they could do it because they believe in the middle there, that 8% that might decide an election, at least 5% of those people will never vote for Donald Trump.

Now, they may be very wrong on that, but that is what they believe.

And that's, it explains

the way they're handling this.

They want to elevate Trump in the primary because they think they can beat him.

They may very well be wrong on that, but that is what they believe.

And they also hate his guts, of course.

All that's true, too.

I mean, they hate his guts.

They want him to be in physical, mental anguish, whatever they can.

I mean,

this is going to be amazing because this is only one of five.

He's got five cases going against him right now.

Yeah.

And the others are varying.

Like

you've got a tax situation, which, you know,

is not at all sexy, right?

Like, there's not much going on there.

You have the documents one, which I believe to be the absolute least.

interesting and least impactful.

Everyone's like, oh, these documents.

The guy was already president of the United States.

He already saw all of these documents.

It's not like he's stealing information.

The fact that he's storing them in in a place you didn't like might be a minor violation of well, we know it's a minor violation because everybody seemed to have them.

Yeah, I know.

Everyone seems to have them.

I mean, the only ones in America that don't have them are you, me, and the listener.

I have three.

Oh, okay.

So it's just you and me right now.

Yes.

You know, Stu's got them.

I've got you and me.

So, like,

you have that.

Then you have the two January 6th or election-related.

You have the January 6th major one about all of it with riots and all that other stuff that they're trying to do.

It's not going to go anywhere.

Hard to believe, especially watching

the committee, which was a joke.

It was a joke.

And it was a joke.

Then you have the Georgia one, which is potentially more interesting if you're a person who on the left who wants to take out Trump, just because you have the combination of brag, right, where you have a local sort of person going through this and can kind of take a lot of liberties that you might not take at the national level.

And you have, you know, you have a phone call.

You have probably a lot of text messages they have of people exchanging information in a chaotic time.

Who knows what was said by who.

They've already said basically

they're going to indict some people in that.

The fourth of the jury is like coming out doing interviews about it.

So, I mean, that one you could.

They couldn't wait to get Trump.

They were just waiting.

Oh, yeah.

Totally.

I mean, it's crazy.

It's crazy.

Just crazy.

The smaller this stuff gets, in some ways, the more realistic it gets because you get people who are local prosecutors who don't care

about a lot of these traditional

walls that have been put up to stop this type of behavior.

They'll just do it anyway to heighten their own profiles.

So I think those

should worry him more.

But the bottom line is, like, when you get into their bet is you had a really close election in 2016 that Trump squeaked out.

In 2020, you had a really close election that Biden squeaked out.

Since 2020, you've had January 6th, you've had an impeachment that didn't go anywhere, but still was an impeachment.

A lot of people hear that as bad.

You have going to have multiple indictments that have come down against him.

And, you know, the fact that he's talking still a lot about the 2020 election is not going to necessarily win over a lot of people who were undecided or on the fence in the 2020 back and forth.

So you're just, that's the formula they see.

And that's the reason why they believe a battle between Trump and Biden is one they could win.

And look, I think that is really, really risky for them.

Especially when you know that we are headed towards economic instability.

I mean, you add an economic firestorm in all of this, and Trump will look like the businessman that he is, and he'll remind people it's great.

Remember what it was like?

It's a great point.

Remember what it was like when I was in?

Yeah, they screwed it up.

I fixed it.

We'll fix it again.

And the main reason I think it's important to highlight this is the disingenuousness of this idea that they believe he's some unique threat to democracy.

And they're so patriotic, they have to stop him.

They wouldn't be doing the same thing with that.

They would not be doing this.

If he dropped dead today,

they would take all of those words and just add,

take Donald Trump out and add Ron DeSantis.

And they would say, the other words, two words they would add is even worse.

Even worse.

Even worse than Trump.

Even worse.

That Ron DeSantis is even,

they already started it when they thought DeSantis was going to win

and or was starting to become competitive.

And he's not even in the race yet.

They're still already saying it.

And if DeSantis wins, they will unite around the message that he is worse than Trump.

None of this means anything to them.

None of it means anything.

These are all lies.

And they are continuing to go down this road, making calculations about this.

I mean, they are telling you the entire country is going to collapse if Donald Trump is president.

And they are acting with every ounce of their being to get him through the primary.

Why?

If they actually cared about the country or believed that, then they wouldn't be doing this.

But they, of course, don't care about the country or and or don't believe that Donald Trump is some unique threat to democracy.

Well, he's not the threat that Mitt Romney was.

Right.

And who's the worst guy ever before, you know, George W.

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Way to go, Glenn.

You can only be inducted once.

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Oh, that's true.

You don't have to try anymore.

And I don't have to try anymore.

You can't reverse it at this point.

You're already in it.

No.

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I'm going to.

Oh my gosh.

Hey, I'm listening to

I'm listening to a book.

Who's the guy that did the Shemita and

The Harbinger?

Harbinger.

What was his name?

Khan?

Yeah, Jonathan Khan.

So I'm...

Kahn?

No, I think that was a different.

That's

I'm I've been listening to his book lately, The Return of the Gods.

It is really good.

It is really, really good.

And you remember when we had the Eye of Moloch, oh, so many years ago?

And

I made the case in that book that we were worshiping the ancient gods.

And I've been telling you that for a while.

Well, he's put it all together.

I mean, he's smarter than I am.

And, you know, so he wrote a book about it.

But he's put three gods together, this unholy trinity, that he claims that we are worshiping.

And I believe him, whether we know it or not, all of the rituals that go along with these three gods, terrifying.

And we're doing all of them as a society.

And

it's not good.

It's going to be suboptimal.

It's like, I don't know, I don't know if you read that the

LA County Jail is, they're thinking about just letting everybody go.

Oh, good.

Yeah.

And I'm thinking,

I'm interested to see how that works out for them.

Well, I'm sure.

I'm sure it's going to be well.

I kind of feel like that's what God's saying to us right now.

Huh.

Worshiping those three gods.

Hmm.

I'm interested to see how that works out for you.

Tell me more.

Tell me more.

Let me sip some tea with that.

Not really.

It's suboptimal.

Suboptimal is a good word for it.

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You should have accepted my offer, James.

Execution scheduled for 11 p.m.

But he's trying to convince us he's gone insane

And therefore incapable of being executed.

I need you to prove he's faking it.

Edward?

I'm going to ask you some questions.

I'm not Edward.

I'm a demon.

Demons aren't really a thing.

What happened to Edward?

We own him.

We?

He's a master manipulator.

You have your head so twisted around you think you're the killer, not him.

And give me something to make me believe you.

Prove to me you're a demon.

Probably just a coincidence.

I want to talk to

Edward.

Makes me do bad things.

I can't stop him.

I need you to see something.

You got a fan.

Did the same thing with all his victims.

Help me.

I'm trying to, Edward, but you have to answer my questions.

You have to tell me the truth.

It won't let me.

It can go away.

It can go away.

Yes?

No.

This is a trailer for the movie Nefarious.

It premieres tonight.

It releases nationwide April 14th.

It is very, very powerful, especially with everything that is going on.

I mean, I think evil has swept the country, and most people don't recognize it.

And that's kind of what this story is all about.

Sean Patrick Flannery is the guy who plays nefarious.

And

Sean, I just told you this off the air, and I mean this sincerely.

I don't say this very often.

You deserve an Oscar for this role.

I mean, it is it's fantastic.

Did you see Split by any chance?

Yes, Stu?

Okay, remember how great that was

and he played it so well?

Even better here.

And

the dynamic range is remarkable.

I mean, this movie pretty much takes place in one room,

and you hold the audience riveted for 90 minutes.

It's amazing.

I really appreciate that.

I do.

Thank you.

So you were in, in case people,

you know, don't recognize the name, Boondock Saints.

He was in Suicide King, Simply Irresistible.

He was in the Strip.

He just played Gunpowder in the Boys.

He's on Dexter.

And

now he's in

Steve Dace's film, which has got to be kind of, you have to, wow, I've fallen really way off.

You know, I got to say, you know, in my opinion, you know, these roles, you know, the director, Chuck and Carrie, I worked with them for the first time in 2004.

And

they're two of the most amazing writers I've ever worked with.

And I told them after shooting that film, I said, I would do a Froot Loops commercial with you guys.

And they called me a year and a half ago, and they said, We have a Fruit Loops commercial.

And I said,

I'm in.

Put me in, coach.

They sent me the script.

And

to me, these roles are why you get into the business.

These roles are why you move away from home and get around the house.

It's like a lifetime kind of role, once-in-a-lifetime kind of role, where you are 90 minutes.

It's all based on your act.

I've never seen an actor with the entire movie on his back, but that's the way this movie is because it's all about Nefarious, which is

like the screw tapes letters from C.S.

Lewis.

And you play a demon-possessed individual.

Yeah, yeah.

This to me, like I said, is why you move out.

And

it's also a film that I stand behind.

I think it's arguably the most,

inarguably, the most important film I've ever done.

It's, you know, as a dad, as a father, it's

things that I firmly, stoutly believe in.

And

it's really, you know,

back in the 70s when I was a kid, we had the exorcist and,

you know, that had a lot of special effects and everything else in it.

This doesn't have any special effects.

And it is as terrifying as

that was because it's

real.

And what you're doing is you're talking to this guy across the table in the prison before you're executed.

And he's trying to either prove that you're insane or not.

And

you

are, as the demon, you're excited to tell him all about it.

And he doesn't believe it.

He just doesn't believe that demons are real.

Well, I think it's a little bit, you know, shocking, surprising, and also not surprising that what the devil would potentially say is that accessible.

You know, what he says, you completely understand.

And it laid out in the way that they wrote the script.

It completely makes sense in pursuit pursuit of what you would imagine Satan's goal would be.

Right.

And he's executing it flawlessly.

And it is so when you pop back from the

body, the soul of the guy that Nefarious has taken

and you see the torture that that guy is in and will forever be in, is,

my gosh, it's just so powerful when you see him, you know, help me, help me, help me, please.

And then back in.

The character is kind of

let out for just a, you know, I don't know, as a plaything or something.

Well, you know, I figure there has to be brief glimpses of who the real person is, you know, interspersed with, you know, the display of Satan embodying this person.

But,

you know, it starts in the writing.

It honestly does.

When things are written that well,

it makes the process of

acting just easy.

What was the filming like?

Was it different than other movies?

It was very different.

I think we initially had 20, 21 days to shoot it.

When we showed up, the first day, there was protesters picketing outside about some,

presumably some union issues.

And

yes, yes, yeah, figure that out.

Yeah, yeah.

And so they shut us down.

And we just, I was parked in my hotel for about five, six days.

And Chuck and Carrie called and they said, okay, you know, we're back.

We're back up.

They had to completely recrew.

So they had to fly out of Brent, a whole new crew.

And then we ended up shooting everything that you see there, at least at the table, I shot in eight days.

Wow.

And to make it, you know,

they said

we can get more days, but it'll push through Christmas.

And I said, I have to be home for my family on Christmas.

So let's load up the work days.

Let's get it done so I can go home for Christmas Eve.

I still hadn't bought my wife a present.

You know what I mean?

It's kind of a tradition that we go to Ace Hardware on Christmas Eve and get her her robe and a lot of things.

So I couldn't miss that.

I think the first day we shot 17 pages of all dialogue at a table.

It had to be exhausting because

this is physical, even though you're not

standing up a lot of times.

It had to just consume your energy.

Yeah,

that kind of work does.

At the end of the day, memorization is,

anybody can do it.

It just requires homework.

A lot of people don't have the discipline to do the homework.

There's so many aspects to bringing a character to life realistically.

The least you can do, I think, is show up and know the words.

The least.

Now, now, if I believe the words or not, that's subjective, but the least I can do is show up and know the words.

But so it did require some homework on that end.

But

again, when the information is so relatable, it's easy to process it and make it permanent, for me at least.

And everything did make sense.

The way that they laid this story out, the way that he conveyed, you know, what his goal was,

citing scripture, et etc.

It was a relatively easy process for me.

It's interesting because it is a God movie, but unlike any God movie you've ever seen, this is just one that pretty much says, wake the hell up, wake up, because this is real and this is happening.

And you're being sucked into it and you have absolutely no idea.

It's really, really effective.

So

any thought?

was there any hesitation on taking a Christian film, if you will?

I mean,

you're just in

The Boys, not exactly a Christian film.

Are you worried about being associated with something like this for your career?

Not to the point that would stop me from doing it.

At my core, I have to be true to myself.

I think it's an important film.

I think it's one of the

proudest.

I'm more proud of this than

probably, I appreciate that.

Than 95%

of the other films I've done.

That's an understatement.

Probably 99.

And

I have to say that I wouldn't sleep at night if I passed on it for those reasons.

But yes.

Throughout my career, I'm very lucky.

I've made a career out of doing films that mostly nobody sees.

But I haven't had to get a real job.

When I was eight years old, I threw papers.

I worked for Alice Fan Lines moving pianos.

I worked at Church's Fried Chicken.

I literally dug ditches.

I put culverts under driveways.

So I know what real work is.

And this is certainly not real work.

But I do understand the ramifications of being attached to a film like this.

But

it's part of my soul.

It's

things that I believe in fairly strongly.

And

I wish the best for everybody out there.

I hope

it can potentially steer people in the right direction.

I hope the message is received.

And if the repercussions are

negative on me, then

I'll take them.

Deal with it.

Yeah, I'll deal with it.

Sean, thank you so much.

Honestly, just tremendous, tremendous.

It was a privilege to watch you.

It's rare that you get to see an actor get the right script and then just run with it.

And it was convincing and real and beautiful.

Just great job.

Well, from my heart, I appreciate that.

I really do.

Sean Patrick Flannery,

he's the actor in Nefarious that plays.

Nefarious is the role that you play, right?

Yeah, Nefarious.

What was the other guy's name that you play?

He,

his Jordan Belfie is the name of the actor.

No, no, no.

The other guy.

No, no, no.

The other guy that you play.

Oh, Edward.

Edward.

That's Edward.

Yes, sir.

Yeah.

Nefarious and Edward.

He plays both of them in this, and it's really an amazing performance.

Sean Patrick Flannery.

Go to get your tickets.

It opens up April 14th.

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Again, whoisnefarious.com.

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You know, I know a a lot of people in the country are like, Glenn, what are you talking about when you say evil is taking over and is everywhere?

You're right.

Here's a teacher talking about what she does in school.

She's very proud of this on TikTok.

Go ahead.

I teach in an explicitly trans-affirming high school.

We have gender support plans.

We have a gender-affirming wardrobe at our school.

We have binders on demand for our students and other shapewear can easily be ordered.

We have students that express themselves in all manner of different ways.

And I couldn't be prouder to work in a school that's so amazing.

Right.

I mean, I've got binders.

You know, I like to,

these are different.

These are different types of binders for women.

Yeah.

These are these aren't the Mitt Romney kind.

No.

No.

No.

These are binding women in other ways.

Yeah.

And I think everybody should be proud of binders.

You know, it's like I've always, I've always

loved the Chinese when they used to bind women's feet.

Really?

No, it is, it's beautiful.

It's a beautiful

way to

show people, I love you

and you can't run from me.

I think it was beautiful back in those days, you know, back in the dark ages when they used to do that.

And I think it's beautiful when women are binding themselves now.

Beautiful.

Yeah, no,

it's something, as the teacher said, it's something to be proud of.

You know, anytime you can try to confuse a child out of their gender, you should be proud of that effort.

And, you know, that's why we support scientific-based gender-affirming care.

Right.

Well, it's not scientific-based.

And in fact, there's a real I don't know.

It's not affirming either.

It's the opposite of affirming.

The rest of the world is kind of going in another direction.

I don't know if you've noticed this,

but

they're not going in the same direction as us.

I don't know if you saw the

story of

Boston, you know, the hospital, the children's hospital in Boston, which just said

just what?

A year ago?

Controversy.

Yeah.

We're not doing any of that stuff.

Now they're saying, we got to double our efforts on this.

What the?

What happened?

They're not even trying.

No, they're not.

They're not.

All right.

We will see you tomorrow on the big program show thing that we do and really honestly do so well.

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