Is Biden's 'Breakthrough' Nuclear Fusion Announcement Too Good to Be True? | Jeff Brown & Russ Vought | 12/12/22

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As the scientific community is getting hopes up about possibly creating zero-carbon nuclear fusion energy, Glenn shares why he’s pessimistic about the government-led push and believes scientists are jumping the gun. Glenn and Stu break down the three legal issues Twitter could face after Elon released the third and fourth editions of the Twitter Files. Once Russian arms dealer Viktor Bout returned to Russia, he, along with the Russian media, began trash-talking America’s priorities and politics. Former Director of Management and Budget Russ Vought explains why we must cut billions of dollars from the budget dedicated to "woke" causes. Chief investment analyst and founder of Brownstone Research Jeff Brown joins to discuss the benefits and timing of nuclear fusion energy and the dangers of it being a government-led venture.
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Welcome to Monday.

Wow, what a coincidence.

Here we are at the middle of a beginning of an energy crisis.

And tomorrow, the Department of Energy, the U.S.

government, is

going to announce an exciting breakthrough on

fusion energy.

Oh, this is so exciting.

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Hello, Stu.

Glenn, very excited we've solved all of our energy problems.

All of our energy problems are solved.

Now, let me read this.

A report teasing a breakthrough in the search for viable nuclear fusion.

What is the difference between fission and fusion?

Fusion, or fission, we have nuclear power plants.

They can go out of control.

You need the control rods and everything else.

If that goes bad, it goes really bad.

Fusion, however, just stops.

So you can stop it at any time.

And, well, I'll get into it later.

In the past two weeks, according to reports, scientists at a federal facility in California, not a private facility, but a federal facility in California, were able to produce more energy than the amount of energy put into the experience using experiment using laser beams to ignite a fusion reaction with a small amount of hydrogen plasma.

This net energy gain, which has eluded physicists for decades, was achieved at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory and signals the emergence of a technology that could become a zero-carbon alternative to fossil fuels.

Though, the scientists stress that fusion power stations are decades away from becoming a reality.

People inside and outside of the scientific community celebrated the news, though with a healthy dose of caution.

The report offers some reason to be careful.

As two of its sources said the greater than expected energy output of 2.5 megajoules of energy in an experiment using 2.1 megajoules of energy in the lasers damaged some of the diagnostic equipment.

Okay, so what does that mean?

It means the equipment that was diagnosing how much energy is being produced broke.

So they can't be sure that it produce.

Well, that's okay.

We'll just do it again.

Well,

they did do it again

and initial diagnostic data suggests another suggests another successful experiment at the national ignition facility however the exact yield meaning how much more energy did it produce than the energy it took is still being determined and we can't confirm that it is over the threshold at the time.

So, in other words, the first time we couldn't measure it because it broke.

The second time,

we haven't confirmed yet that

it's over the threshold of the energy that we used.

But celebrate.

Okay, I would say, hold on, let's not celebrate.

I mean, not quite yet.

What we're looking at here is fusion, if it is a reality, fusion at a very small scale.

That's good.

House-sized or even car-scale,

nuclear fusion would be fantastic.

Remember Mr.

Fusion on the top of the DeLorean when Doc came back in

Back to the Future 2?

Fusion could mean you could run an electric car for 100,000 hours without a charge or a phone you'd need to plug in for a couple of hours once a year commercial planes just needing to recharge electrically once a year no gas we could this could fundamentally transform

everything

however

this is an odd government announcement as you will find out here in a minute Generally speaking, also, as a guy who likes the private sector, I don't like the idea that this is coming from the government.

First of all, I don't trust the government.

I don't trust.

The government is in black ops all the time.

Now,

the other reason is because, I mean, if the lame duck Congress wanted to pass a new spending bill for organic energy,

You know before the new Congress come would you be for it?

No, we we organic energy we are on the cusp of organic energy.

I wouldn't spend a dime with them.

Just like we shouldn't have spent a dime on all those solar panels.

They have a tendency of doing this.

If some $600,000 grant given to some no-name blah, blah, blah student from MIT resulted in repeatable nuclear fusion, okay,

good.

Let's I'm I hope this works.

I hope this works.

I would rather have it come from a private company than the United States government, but I'll take it from either one, quite honestly.

But I don't

believe it.

And here's one of the reasons.

I was reading a story from Morgan Stanley.

It is from their

equity research department.

Equity research department.

And they were, it's a story on what's next for ESG

and I read this Saturday and there was a there was a just a chart

that

shows what's coming between now and 2040 so this is the ESG World Economic and Morgan Stanley chart on what's happening to curb global warming So from 2020 to 2022, they're into geoengineering and bioengineering.

Those sound good.

Then next year, 2023 to 2028, carbon removal and cooling techniques and

synthetic biology and synthetic foods are going to be on the table.

Okay?

2023 to 2028.

We're going to be

launching into synthetic foods.

Oh, I didn't think we were doing that.

Yes, we are.

And the synthetic foods, when we finally get our bug burgers?

yes okay uh 2029 and 2034 we get the smart grid hardware and software so the smart grid can make sure that your house is never over a temperature that the government wants it to be okay

also synthetic biology and manufacturing Then we get to 2035 and 2040.

Now remember, this is a Morgan Stanley chart based on World Economic Forum, what they're planning on doing.

Hmm.

Between 2035 and 2040, fusion reactors provide baseload power.

Now this stuck out to me when I read this on Saturday because I was like, wow, didn't know we had fusion reactors.

That's pretty quick.

Yeah, and then the next day I read that we're going to announce tomorrow we have fusion, a possibility of fusion.

Even though it's decades away,

the World Economic Forum says in 2035, we'll have fusion reactors, which will provide baseload power.

They are counting on fusion reactors providing the baseline of the power for the world.

And then they're also going to be working on disease vector

re-engineering.

So that'll be good.

We'll have more Wuhans out there.

That'll be fantastic.

Hmm.

Hmm.

So what do you think?

I look at that chart and say one of three things.

First, one, I don't believe that we've had fusion power for a long time and the evil oil companies have kept it at bay.

I don't believe that.

Two.

They're just lying to you.

And there's nothing with fusion reactors.

Nothing going on there.

I don't believe that one.

The third one

is

we are close to fusion.

We are close.

But close is like, I think Jesus is returning.

Yeah, that could be in a couple of years.

That could be in a thousand years.

But we're close.

fusion we're close

but what does that mean

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They're giving you hope that, oh, no, no, no, we're going to have baseline power in 10 years.

And America is going to be the one.

So rah, rah, America.

I think they are bluffing.

They are counting on it.

They are hoping for it, but they don't actually, they don't believe it.

They don't believe it.

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So, Clem, what would the reason be?

for them to be faking

confidence or overconfidence in their ability to develop fusion technology.

What's the point of that?

Okay, let me just give you some headlines.

Biden administration will ban fossil fuel use in new federal buildings by 2030.

No

fossil fuel use in federal buildings by 2030.

Jeep lays off 1,350 workers at an Illinois plant citing the rising costs of electric vehicle production.

Try this one.

Deportation of criminal illegal aliens way down under Biden.

The price of wholesale goods jumps more than expected as inflation persists.

Report, Pentagon worries Russian released in prisoner

swap may return to arms trafficking.

China and Saudi Arabia sign strategic partnership as President Z visits the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

There's nothing but bad news on the horizon.

There is nothing.

We have said, for a long time, I've said, where is the president that will point to the sky and say, we are going to the moon and return a man within the decade?

That gives America, especially a collective version of America, hope.

This is hope.

Hope and belief in your country because your country is the one that has funded it and has pioneered it and we're leading the world.

I think this is brilliant strategy.

Well, they certainly isn't Jennifer Grantholm going to be there.

Like, this is an administration event.

Oh, yeah, no, no, no.

Quite,

she's the one announcing it tomorrow.

Right, that's what I mean.

So

they are putting that together.

That certainly supports that.

And to your point of it, maybe they are making some progress.

Maybe they believe they're close.

And this is the way to draw in industry,

public, public funds, private partnerships, and including financing in future bills.

They'll throw money at this as well.

This is the Manhattan Project.

Okay.

And we can debate that.

But the way this is being done, I believe, I believe this is...

They are creating a Chinese style partnership government program.

They need to lie to us to get there.

Instead of saying, we believe this can be done, and it can be done if we combine the money and the ingenuity of DARPA

and the money and the engineering

required from the private sector.

We want to work together like they did, you know, with McDonnell Douglas and everything else for the moonshot.

Instead, they are lying to us and saying, look, I think we found it.

Now we got to funnel money into it.

That's what this is going to be, announcement of a giant program tomorrow.

By the way, in some of the stories, it will actually state that a significant amount of money from the Inflation Reduction Act has already gone into the fusion research.

Oh,

really?

Wow.

I thought we were

reducing inflation with that act.

No, no, no.

No, no, no, no, no.

New technology.

Well, it's important to have moonshots.

This actually reminds me of one of Joe Biden's other moonshots we can check on the progress on right now.

Has Joe Biden cured cancer.com.

If you go there, you can check at any point during your day, has Joe Biden cured cancer?

As he promised during the campaign.

Yeah, he said, no, no, no joke.

He prefaced it with no joke.

No joke.

We're going to cure cancer if I'm elected.

Right.

He was elected.

He was elected.

There he is.

He's the president of the United States.

Has he cured cancer?

Has Joe Biden cured cancer?

No.

No.

Cancer still exists as of this day.

So here's, this is a great example.

I believe we're going to cure cancer.

I think we could cure cancer maybe by 2030, maybe earlier than that, maybe a few years later.

I'm always bad with timing, but we will cure cancer.

Quantum computing will cure cancer.

Quantum computing is here.

It's beginning to find usefulness.

When that happens, we will cure cancer.

So what is he doing?

He knows what I know, and anybody who talks to futurists or, you know, reads futurists, you know,

that is coming.

So what is he saying?

The government, with me as president, the government will cure cancer.

So taking credit for essentially these advancements that are coming anyway I believe fusion this announcement is we're close we just got to double our efforts but the secret is they are counting

they according to the World Economic Forum they are counting

on fusion providing the base load by 2035.

So in 12 years by the way that's a decade and two years when scientists warn us in the stories today

that even if this is accurate, which we don't know,

it will take decades

to be able to build a fusion power plant.

Decades.

What do we do in the meantime?

What are those federal buildings going to do without any fossil fuel in 2030?

How are you going to power?

I am fine for freezing those people out.

Can we have another shuttle of coal?

Absolutely not.

You want to destroy the planet?

Oh, I'm sorry, Mr.

Scrooge.

I'm fine with all federal buildings not having the power.

Oh, their computers are down?

Oh, shoot.

They can't get anything done?

Oh, crap.

Are they too cold?

They want to stay home?

Oh, gee.

I am all for it.

But what is Joe Biden planning on using for power in 2030?

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I don't even know where to start on the Twitter thing.

I mean, what bothers you the most?

That Twitter and the Democrats lied about censorship?

That the government was involved with Twitter and censorship, that Michelle Obama pressured Twitter to ban Trump, that the media is completely silent.

New York Times, Washington Post, one story in the last week.

There have been several updates that have happened.

And nothing on the Sunday shows except Fox.

How about the FBI and CDC using a back channel with Twitter?

Or the internal documents that show only one Twitter

employee was raising serious free speech concerns.

And identified as a junior staffer.

Yeah.

By the way.

Okay, so there are three things here that

they should lawyer up about.

First,

it looks like the material may have been intentionally hidden or destroyed despite inquiries from Congress.

Remember, Congressman said, Twitter, don't destroy anything because we're coming for an investigation.

So it looks like some of the evidence has been destroyed.

That's not going to go well for people.

Plus,

they lied under oath over and over and over again.

This is a free speech fight for the public, and most people are debating whether Twitter is bad or good.

This This is about the federal government being involved

neck deep in censorship, to me.

I think so too, because it's interesting.

You read the back and forth.

There is one employee.

It's like, hey guys, I don't know if we should like ban a leader of the free world.

Maybe this is a bad idea.

There is one employee doing that.

One.

One.

One, I mean, legitimately, one single employee, a junior level staffer.

In a slack message.

In a slack message.

It's a comical.

There's nobody there going, like, hey, guys, like, don't you see how this is going to be seen by half the country?

He says, this might be an unpopular opinion, but

one-off ad hoc decisions like this that don't appear rooted in policy are, in my opinion, a slippery slope and reflect an alternatively equal dictatorial problem.

He said, this now appears to be fiat by an online platform CEO with a global present that can gatekeep speech for the entire world.

That seems

unsustainable.

It's a very nice way of saying the very obvious thing.

The hell is wrong with you.

Yeah.

So it's interesting because, first of all, you mentioned the CEO.

I don't know if Jack counts at that point because he went back and forth in that role, but

I will say it does seem that Jack was out of these conversations often.

It doesn't seem like he was the center pushing point for a lot of this stuff.

And he was, I mean, in this one, he was on vacation phoning into meetings, they say.

So we'll see how that plays out as we get more information.

But he doesn't seem to be the center,

the center

power,

the gravity of all of this.

He seems to be occasionally involved, but not necessarily involved in the day-to-day.

This guy, Yoel Roth, is the guy who seems to be...

the guy who really is behind a lot of this, and they have a lot of his messages.

What I find interesting, though, is you go through them, and there is a lot of conversation from Twitter employees saying things like, look, our policies don't allow us to do this.

There's no justification for doing these things because of our policies.

So how do we craft...

You're supposed to stop there.

You're not supposed to go to the cell.

No, but they go on and they say, so how do we craft a path around the policies?

How do we justify this through the policies?

So in other words, we all love the Constitution, but there are things we have to do.

Right.

Sometimes there's things we have to do.

And that seems to be the constant refrain in these messages.

They all agreed, obviously, that Donald Trump was bad and that he needed to be removed immediately and conservatives were dangerous and all of this.

But they didn't do a lot about that in this period as far as banning if they couldn't come up with a way to justify the policies.

Around January 6th, that all seemed to change.

Like they just abandoned this completely and just started blanket justifying things.

Because of how they felt.

Because of how they felt.

And

how they felt is important.

Because I think it's you could say it's how they felt because they felt Donald Trump was a danger to the country, that

the right was

a horrible group of people that were doing terrible things.

And I think that's true.

Like, I think that is part of this story, part.

But the other thing they felt was massive pressure from federal government employees, Michelle, Michelle Obama,

major people in the press that are supposed to be neutral.

All of the pressure came in.

A lot of these people are friends.

They felt massive outside pressure to come up with a way to justify this policy or not.

And so they executed it.

Does that mean that they are innocent here?

No, not at all.

I mean, it doesn't change how you should feel about Twitter.

But it should, I think, put the focus of the American people and their attention span, which is limited, to the people in the federal government who are starting this pressure campaign, right?

Yes, it's interesting that some executive at Twitter was liberal and looked for a way to ban Donald Trump or some other conservative.

Sure, that's interesting.

It's part of the story.

But the fact that our government was getting involved, federal government and former government employees Oh, as early as, I mean, as late as last week, Elon Musk fired the guy who was involved in the Trump setup of the Russia Gate.

That FBI agent was still filtering and possibly deleting things,

covering up the FBI's involvement in Twitter as late as last week.

And that's far more important, right?

It's far more important that this stuff was going on outside.

Because look, there are a lot, they're going to have their defenses on whether they ban people or not, whether it fits policy or not.

How big of a violation is that?

Look, it could get punished, but it might not be that serious.

The First Amendment specifically deals with federal government influence.

I mean, it specifically means talking about laws, but it does have, I think, a direct line, direct line from federal government employees and former employees

pressuring to the White House.

They said it.

They said it.

They bragged about it.

Yes, they bragged about it.

At the time, and the media was so on their side on this stuff that it never got any critical treatment.

It shows CDC, FBI, White House, all of them, all of them steering and pushing.

the steerage of Twitter.

They had an online portal where you could say, hey, this tweet you should pull down, and Twitter would look at at it.

Now, is Twitter looking at that really?

Are they making a coherent analysis of what this tweet is?

Actually, this particular physician is from Stanford.

He's well-respected.

He's a little out of the mainstream, maybe of consensus, but hey, you know, he still has an important voice.

Are they doing that?

No.

But the experts say, the federal experts say he's not.

So the pressure is

more expert than the federal government's experts.

Right.

The pressure is making the decision.

Correct.

There is no decision-making.

Correct.

They're just adopting it.

Now, of course, if Donald Trump's administration came to them and said the same thing, it would not be this way.

So let me take a break because I want to come back and I want to ask you:

why

the silence

from mainstream media?

This is an enormous story.

This is proof positive that the government is colluding to lie to you and using Twitter do it.

Why the silence?

How does the press think they will get away with this and will they?

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Let me tell you

what all of this means here in a second from

a recovering alcoholic, but let me set it up first.

The left, or the mainstream media, if you will,

the New York Times, the Washington Post, the Atlantic, the networks, ABC, NBC, CBS, they are not covering anything on the Twitter files.

In fact, the New York Times gave space to

Elon Musk's critics talking about the rise of hate speech on the platform.

But there's not a rise of hate speech on the platform.

It's gone the opposite way.

The Washington Post also reported that Musk was being investigated by San Francisco authorities authorities for creating makeshift bedrooms at Twitter headquarters for employees to sleep in.

So they're smearing him.

Old news: The Atlantic, CBS, NBC, ABC, zero minutes to the Twitter files.

Zero.

CNN's disinformation reporter Ben Collins, his contribution was a tweet, a yawn emoji.

Okay.

So

what is their strategy?

This is an enormous story

of collusion to usurp the Bill of Rights.

This is illegal from so many different ways on the government side.

And they love this stuff.

The media usually loves internal leaked documents describing, if nothing else, business strategy.

Yeah.

Right?

Like, this is the type of thing that they would write endless features and and books about.

So why are they not?

They liked the result.

I mean, that's the only thing I can come up with.

Okay.

And they would like, they like the continuing of this happening all over the media.

Do they think with the approval ratings they have, approval ratings now are about 7%, I think,

for news organizations,

how do they think they're going to survive?

It seems like they, I think they've learned a lesson over the last few years that if they ignore stuff, like you know, the hunter's goes a lifetime, it goes away, and even if it does eventually get covered multiple years later, you're past the point of impact.

Right.

They learned that from Clinton and Lewinsky.

The whole society is running on the Clinton-Lewinsky thing.

It's not true, it's not true, it's not true, it's not true, it's not true.

Well, here are the documents, doesn't matter.

It's old news, old news.

Okay, um,

here's here's a couple of things to think about:

one,

um,

to me, this says their arrogance is even higher than we might have thought.

And I hope that's not with some knowledge of, don't worry,

we got them anyway.

But somebody is saying, don't worry, it's not going to come to bite us in the butt.

They're banking on that.

So they no longer believe in justice in America.

That's saying something they believe they are beyond the reach of justice

when giant corporations believe there is no justice that they will have to answer to

you don't have anything anymore you don't have you you do not have a republic or even a democracy

you've got something entirely different that looks a lot like fascism if you're in with a government you will not pay a price.

Second thing,

for all of those journalists, the people who even work the presses, anybody who is working at these institutions,

be very, very careful because

it gets you one step at a time.

You overlook something and say it's no big deal.

Then it's no big deal.

It's no big deal.

As you dismiss things, it gets you closer and closer to embracing things.

And I think this is the embrace moment.

You are now embracing government dictating what can and cannot be said.

That is a losing side, unless you want to live like China.

So as you accept lie after lie after lie after lie, and they get bigger and bigger and eat into what you used to believe you used to believe that people had a right to free speech apply this if it was being done by donald trump would you be for it the answer is clearly no

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There was some disturbing video coming out of Russia this weekend.

I saw it.

I retweeted it without comment.

A lot of conservatives were commenting on it, saying, look at this.

Look at even the Russians know.

I want to make my comments very clear, and I can't do that in a tweet.

So I want to go over two very disturbing and true videos from Russia over the weekend.

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want to play a couple of pieces from the media in Russia, and I'll translate here.

First, let's play Victor Bout.

He is

speaking on

Boot, sorry.

Victor Boot.

Victor Boot.

He's speaking on Russian television about the American society.

Here he is.

He says what's happening in the West is simply the suicide of civilization.

And if this suicide isn't prevented, at very least outside the Western world,

in the world not controlled by the Anglo-Saxons,

the entire planet will commit suicide, you know?

And this is probably happening in all areas.

Drugs.

What is it called in Russian?

LGBTQ.

LGBTQ plus.

Can you imagine that in American schools they are now teaching first graders

six and seven year old first graders

that it turns out there are 72 genders

not just you know gay people and normal people

but 72

okay

all right

so people tweeted that and go look we released a guy this he was in prison here and he goes back and he even knows how sick we are, and he's saying it.

Comment reserved.

Now,

here's another show.

This is a big,

big talk show, television show in Russia.

This is Russian state media mocking Biden.

Now, listen to this one.

Of course, I was very amused, but not surprised, that Boot was exchanged for Greiner and not Whalen.

First of all, I congratulate Boot and his entire family.

For many years, we have been in touch with his family

to the extent that it was possible we communicated with him to the extent we could.

Of course, this is a huge joy and relief to all of us.

I can't even imagine what this means to his family.

But he was not exchanged for the heroic spy.

Because he's a spy.

Whelan is a spy.

He was apprehended while receiving information

on a flash drive.

He said he was supposed to get photos of churches

on a flash drive.

You send church photos through WhatsApp, right?

That's where we got him.

We don't get a flash drive brought to you for that.

Quality would be decent, no worse than a flash drive.

He's a spy.

Therefore, to them, he's a hero.

He's a hero.

Decorated marine, covered in metals.

He has not one, not two, but three problems.

First problem,

he's white.

Second problem,

he is a man.

Third problem, he's a heterosexual.

This is not something you can get away with.

American voters, he beats Greiner in every aspect.

It's a catastrophe.

American voters were given a choice.

A hero who suffered while serving his fatherland, or a metal-covered hero who suffered during his service to his fatherland, the United States, or a black lesbian hooked on drugs who suffered for vape with hashish hashish,

a well-known for the sake of PR.

American voters are choosing the obvious.

I think this is one more piece of good news.

The first good news is boot return.

The second good news is a nation that spits on its heroes to the extent that it considers it significantly more important to free rightfully charged, well-known athlete.

She didn't suffer.

She served her as she served her motherland,

but because she couldn't live

for 10 hours without hashish,

instead of freeing the person in prison for two years for serving his motherland, this says a lot about the state of this society, these intelligence agencies, and everything related to geopolitical confrontation.

Wow.

Wow.

There's a lot to unpack in that analysis.

So what are your thoughts watching this?

Well,

taking it, I think you're going to go.

Just your base.

Just your base.

Just on what they actually are saying.

First of all, he was not a spy.

This is a complete lie.

He was not a spy.

That is, he still to this day is not a spy.

That is a lie by

Russian propaganda, not true.

Important to note.

And at some level, you know, he's not an American hero.

And I say that not because that's my opinion, but because the media has not focused really at all on the guy.

I mean, he's not known in American circles at all.

He's an unknown person, unless you happen to follow this stuff, which I know we have, and I know the audience probably has, but generally speaking, it has not been covered.

Most people don't know.

In fact, the hero of the two to the American media is Brittany Griner.

Now, is it because she's black and lesbian and a woman?

That part is interesting.

And a celebrity.

And a celebrity.

So taking the celebrity part separately, because I think that is undoubtedly true.

Like, 100% true.

The reason why they went after Brittany Griner is because there was so much press on her.

If I were over in Russia and arrested for anything, to say the same thing.

Vaping.

Okay.

Oh, they'd send you.

Oh, they'd send me.

They'd ask you to go to Siberia.

Yeah.

Okay.

So.

Yes, it's not just pure fame, but it's the right kind of fame.

It would not happen.

It's the right kind of fame.

It's the politically correct fame.

Right.

I think the interesting part about her gender, her sexuality, the color of her skin is

you could argue, well, that's not it.

Because we made this argument, and I know you made this argument last week, where

there's a real argument to be made to me,

to you,

to, I think, many conservatives

that we do go get the woman out of of this situation before the man who's a Marine out of chivalry.

Oh my gosh, how outdated are you?

How dare you say that?

It is.

I mean, that is that America would have done this, you know, 50 years ago, 20 years ago.

Without question.

Without question, the woman goes first.

The Marine was trained.

He can handle it.

And every Marine would cheer it on.

Yes.

You know, and I think now, of course, the Biden administration can't make that argument because they can't even define what a woman is.

Right.

So how can they possibly say it's...

And they're not saying it's chivalry.

They're not saying that's why they did it.

But like, think of the alternative.

Let's say they did take Whelan.

What would the media be saying today if they did take a white male instead of Britney Griner?

Oh, yeah.

Forget the way it came out.

If they did the opposite, we know it would be months of coverage of the only reason they didn't take brittany griner is because she's black she's a woman and she has an alternative lifestyle and you can't do that to the hand that feeds you

so i would think only the extreme left that would have done it would have split i mean the left has one thing the right does not have cooperation

Cooperation.

They hate each other.

They hate each other.

You really think that the Marxists are in bed with GE and all of these other giant corporations, with Citibank?

Do you really think?

No, of course not.

That was a deal made at Occupy Wall Street.

Look, we'll give you some money, you go away, you leave us alone.

But they still hate each other, but they work together.

The right doesn't.

If he would have released that, only the extreme dedicated left would have have gone on television, and it would have been mainly on MSNBC, I think, because they couldn't bite the government hand that is feeding them.

It would have been there, but it wouldn't have been as strong.

If it was a Republican that did it, it'd be over.

That's all you'd hear about for four years.

That's true.

That's true.

Here's the thing that I really want to point out:

this is

Dugan.

Alexander Dugan?

Alexander Dugan is

a master at traditionalism.

Capital T traditionalism.

He's a Russian advisor.

To Putin.

He is a scholar.

He is the guy whose daughter was just assassinated,

he says, by Ukrainians.

He is a very influential figure in Russia.

Alexander Dugan is extraordinarily dangerous.

He has used Putin money

over here in the United States.

He has allies here in the United States.

His allies tend to be like,

what's his name?

Robert Spencer, the head of the Nazi

Richard Spencer.

Richard Spencer, yeah.

Sorry, Robert.

Whoever you are.

Rich, yeah,

kind of known as the head of the alt-right and such.

And, you know, he was Nazi.

His wife or his girlfriend, I can't remember.

I think it's his wife.

His wife is the translator for Alexander Dugan, the English translator.

Okay.

He is in bed with the worst of the worst, and he also comes in with sheep's clothing.

He also has emissaries that have put money

into

traditional family kind of things.

So he's just talking tradition.

Look, we're going to lose our traditions.

We're losing

basic things here that God wants us to have.

He is as close as you can get to Satan on earth as you can find.

He believes that the entire world has to reset,

and so he wants to bring on literally Armageddon and the end of the world.

He believes it's better to reset to the stone age to where we all

are just tribal again and we get rid of all of this new

technology and get rid of all of these new things that make us into who we are.

I think we should just master them and not let them be the master of us.

He wants everything destroyed.

He is really frightening.

I think he is the most frightening James Bond style villain alive today.

He and Klaus Schwab, extraordinarily dangerous.

But he's dangerous because he's the guy who pushes narratives in the West like this.

He's the guy who's like, you know, this is suicide by the Anglo-Saxons.

And somebody's got to stand up or the entire planet.

And so that's got to be Russia.

Russia is the defender of the faith.

Now, have you ever thought of Russia as the defender of the faith?

Russia's the defender of the faith.

Not the reputation, historically.

But, you know, in American schools, they're teaching about 72 genders.

Look, they're letting this lesbian drug user out over a traditional hero.

She was rightfully charged.

How could they possibly do that?

They've gone to hell.

Extraordinarily dangerous.

I tweeted this without comment because I wanted to make the comment today

because you need to understand it and that's not going to happen in a tweet.

You need to understand this.

Satan is the author of all lies, confusion, and chaos.

But he is, he does not only speak lies.

His trick is he speaks much of the truth and then commingles it with extraordinarily evil lies.

What's the truth?

We're on a suicide path, gang.

Unless somebody stands up in the Western Hemisphere, the West is going to wipe itself out.

We are on a suicidal path, period.

That part of the message is true.

We have turned things upside down that because you're a man man or a heterosexual, you're not worth as much as somebody else.

Meaning all men are created equal is no longer true.

That's suicidal.

That's not sustainable.

That's what built the West.

Again,

true.

The lie?

Russia is the savior.

Their kind of government is the Savior.

I don't think any government is the Savior.

I think the government of God is the Savior.

The only reason why we had a semi-decent government, as Churchill said, the worst,

except for everybody else's government.

The reason why we had that semi-decent government

was because we understood our first passport,

our first citizenship was to the kingdom of God.

Our second citizenship was American.

And until we realize that, we will be duped by dangerous, dangerous lies mixed with clear truth.

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Can we play cut three, please?

Here's kids

watching Near Naked twerking

during a track show.

Yeah, look at those little kids sitting right there.

Stop.

Why would you do this?

Why would you do this?

I spoke to James Lindsay.

Oh, yeah.

He was in here last week.

I guess he's going to come in.

He was supposed to do a show with you.

This is when you're out sick.

We're doing it on Wednesday.

Watch this show.

Yeah.

If you have any, because I had the exact same question.

You know,

drag shows have been going on for a long time.

I've never heard a conservative say, you know what?

I am very much opposed to adult men getting together and watching drag shows in a club.

I've never heard that spout out of any conservative's mouth.

Oh my gosh.

Why is there all of a sudden a change

to, you know what, our focus needs to be reading at libraries to children?

Yes.

Wait, why is what explain that change to me?

And he knows this.

He has looked at it from the core.

I'm sure he'll go over this with you.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's really important and it explains it completely.

It's, you know, it goes back to also the thing that I urge you to do with your friends.

When you get together and they're against, you know, you being against drag shows, you know, for story time.

Oh, you're such a bigot.

Hang on.

What new information did you get?

Because if I would have said this to you 10 years ago, you would have said, of course not.

We're not talking about drag shows with children.

Right.

It would have been...

That's, of course not.

That's just inconceivable.

It's stupid to even bring that up.

Yeah.

Okay.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

So you

then know now that it is happening.

What changed?

Why is your opinion different than it would have been 10 years ago?

Right.

And beyond that, when you ask for what changed, did I change or did they change?

Has there always been a push from drag show people to perform in libraries or first grades or third grades or high school?

Because I've never heard that push before.

So

why the sudden change to have the drag shows in schools?

Just ask them those two questions.

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According to my best ability.

Madam Mayor.

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Okay, let's go on to something serious now.

Excuse me, chills.

I know.

I know.

You think he's bad?

Oh, my gosh.

I think God, every night he's still alive.

Russell Vogt is with us.

He is with the Center for Renewing America.

He's the president.

He was also Office of Management and Budget.

He's former director of that.

He's making a suggestion on what the Republicans can do for God, for country, and for community.

Russell, welcome to the program.

Thanks for having me, Glenn.

You bet.

So I'm looking at your proposal.

Explain, because we are going into now

a couple of weeks where the Senate is trying to pass a

comprehensive budget

to be able to fund all of their projects over the next year.

Really bad news for Republicans.

Republicans need to get in, look at the budget, reset a budget,

no more of these omnibuses, set the budget and cut all of this

garbage, the woke garbage, out of the budget.

That's your point, correct?

Precisely.

We're in a very critical moment right now, which you have a lame-duck Congress that really needs to pass something to just get them into the new year, allow Republicans to come in and redo fiscal year 23, which is the end of this fiscal year.

And then we are proposing this to articulate the roadmap for all of the budget battles coming up.

And our main point is that, look, Republicans have failed for 20 years because they have refused to focus and cut on that which they have a vote on every single year, discretionary appropriations and the bureaucracy.

And they point to the shiny object of entitlements, and reforms need to occur

in mandatory spending, but you don't have automatic votes on that.

You have to create votes on that.

And it really has been kind of a political DC cartel effort to distract conservative fiscal warriors and people who are concerned about our getting our house in order fiscally away from what they could actually accomplish.

But here's the added aspect of it that is increasingly so year by year.

This isn't just big government.

woken, weaponized government.

And so, what we're attempting to do is to reframe spending fights around what we believe are the central fights facing all statesmen.

Get our fiscal house in order, but they have to be able to defund the weaponized bureaucracy that

is arrayed against the American people.

And that is, you know, funding gay pride events in Prague.

That is the IRS going after people and auditing them.

That's the EPA.

You think of it as just clean air, clean water.

No, it's putting people in jail for building four ponds on their ranch.

So that's what we're trying to do is we're trying to give fiscal warriors the moral high ground in a way that they never had previously to go after these spending cuts and really present a stark choice to the American people when we know there will be some confrontation with the Democrats.

So here is the problem.

We have a fight

in the Republican Party between those typical Republicans that we've seen over and over and over again, the Mitt Romneys, the

Mitch McConnell's,

and the fighters, the ones who are coming in who actually believe in the Constitution,

listen to the people and want to cut things.

So how do we get, because the message will be the Congress, the Republicans, are holding up and they're going to cause a budget crisis and we're not going to be able to pay any of our bills and the military will just shut down.

How do we get the Republicans to get together and say, no, no, no, we can fund the military.

We're just not funding the IRS and 87,000 new agents.

We're not funding all of this woke crap.

How do you get them to say that over and over again in lockstep?

Well, part of it is leaning into those confrontations because they give you an opportunity to get the message out about what you're trying to cut.

But we're trying to take away the power of those appropriators, those establishment Republicans,

in which they have the ability, because previously there was no

both parties would enter these negotiations and say, we both agree on the same Section 8 housing.

We just think you can afford one level and you can't afford another level.

Well, that's just not a clear choice to the American people on an issue

in my neighborhood, Arlington, Virginia, very liberal.

The issue of single-family zoning is the number one issue that unites both liberals and conservatives.

And if you're going into the cuts on housing in urban and development and you're not presenting

the choice to the American people, it allows the cartel to have power.

And so

we're trying to put a cultural grid,

a woken weaponized filter on every dollar spent.

So when the cartel goes home to their voters, they do not have the ability to win them over.

And we see that on a lot of other issues like life,

you know, do people know you're funding Planned Parenthood on gun control?

Do you realize you're funding the gun registries within the federal government?

These are all ways that we believe you can break the political cartel that seeks to manage conflict away from these confrontation points that you asked about.

So I believe,

you know, I want to abolish the Department of Ed, but I got to believe that in most places that are not, New York City, Los Angeles, etc., San Francisco,

dramatically cutting back the power of the federal government and all of this teacher union bullcrap would be very popular, is it?

Yes, and increasingly so.

I mean, this is no longer a debate about should the department exist and the role of federal government education.

This is a question about do you want teachers that are being trained to put sewage in the community and having trained Marxist revolutionaries to recruit more Marxist revolutionaries, and their recruitment is from your kids.

So that's the question that people are slowly waking up to, is that this is not about education.

This is about CRT, it's about social-emotional learning, it's about all the left-wing concepts that have been in the school system for too long, and we're now aware of it, and we have an opportunity to get at it.

And you have states that are putting restrictions in place of all of this, and they're getting a handle on it.

And if you can be able to put stuff in the form of a block grant that states can then say, no, we're not going forward with this, you have more of an ability to get rid of this what I call sewage in the community that is impacting

not only the country that we have, but the next generation as to whether they love this country and whether they are having the principles of the American founding that has been hopefully drilled into most of us as we've gotten to the place where we are.

Well, these programs are

assisted suicide for society.

Tell me what the main

drivers are.

What are the hot topics that if you went through the budget, you'd say, you know, schools and all of this CRT stuff is out.

What else is

go ahead?

There are, yeah,

think of it in two respects.

Number one, you're going to want to go hard at the bureaucracy.

And the bureaucracy that we go hard at is the Department of Justice.

We begin the process of reforming and restructuring the FBI.

And we actually increase the ability for them to spend money on

investigating federal crimes, but we go hard at where the abuse has been in the Intel program, the counterintelligence program.

HHS is something that we go after very hard.

You know, this is not just CDC.

CDC has actually had to admit that they failed during COVID.

They themselves have admitted, they themselves have put forward their own restructuring.

We reduced CDC dramatically by saying, you know what, you guys are so unfocused on the business of fighting infectious disease because you have all these bureaucracies that are spending a billion and a half on the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases, which everyone knows how to avoid, or chronic diseases that people already know how to avoid.

Or we go after the NIH.

And this previously, Glenn, was one of the hardest cuts that I would carry in President Trump's budget.

But the NIH has been transformed in the minds of the public.

Now,

this is Tony Fauci's gain of function NIAD.

So we cut that by 50%.

HUD, we go after HUD very, very hard because we're trying to get away from the notion that HUD is about preventing homelessness.

And in fact, they're a bureaucracy with a network of nonprofit organizations that are going after neighborhoods and single-family zoning.

And then, of course, foreign aid.

It wouldn't be an America first budget if we weren't cutting foreign aid by 45%.

And that is designed to go after not just kind of the fact that you're spending on a NASA space camp in Pakistan, but the fact that you're training LGBT activists in Senegal.

How's that for a foreign policy?

Of course, those countries are going to have issues with us, and it causes our impact not to be as great.

All right.

So we have

no go ahead.

Finish up here.

And then the final big ticket stuff is to try to change the mandatory policies, not Social Security and retirement benefits,

but to go after and change the social safety network that has become a hammock and get people back into the workforce, less welfare, work requirements.

That's a major aspect of this budget as well.

I tell you what, could you send me your cuts, your proposed, because I assume you have them, your proposed cuts.

Let me look at them for a day or two, and then I'd like to have you back.

And I'd like to push back on them to hear how

you're suggesting politicians push back.

Love it.

Okay.

Happy to.

All right.

So I'll have my producer reach out to you.

Russ, thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

Thanks, Glenn.

We'll talk in a couple of days.

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He is head of Brownstone Research, founder, and chief investment analyst,

and he is a futurist.

He looks at technology that is coming.

Tomorrow, the U.S.

is expected to announce a breakthrough in

fusion energy.

They say

the Lawrence Livermore Laboratories has produced fusion.

I'm very skeptical of it, but he will know better, and we're going to talk to him in just a few minutes.

I was reading before I went on the air today.

Luke, the Gospel of Luke, and I was reading the first and second chapters.

And the second chapter is all about the birth of Christ.

And remember, the New Testament is just about Christ.

So what's the first chapter about?

If the second chapter is about his birth, what's the first?

Well,

the first part of it is about the birth of John the Baptist.

And that's what's being foretold.

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And I know a lot of people of a whole bunch of different religions that believe that now, that Jesus could come in our lifetime.

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Have you ever noticed that?

It's always repeating itself over and over and over again because people don't learn.

And it is in those repetitive stories that you should get the message.

so I just wanted to bring up at Christmas before we get to Christmas

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When you buy your gifts for your kids, perhaps you should think clearly on how can I strengthen them to prepare the way of the Lord.

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These reactions, once you obviously have built your fusion reactor, are basically two different kinds of hydrogen.

One is deuterium and one is tritium, otherwise known as

hydrogen 2 and hydrogen 3.

Hydrogen 2 literally can be derived from water, tap water.

And hydrogen 3 is a byproduct of lithium.

So these are obviously widely available.

That's the fuel.

And those are the inputs to create this limitless clean energy.

And, you know, perhaps, Glenn, another way to look at it is that if we think about an individual consumer,

To produce 10 years of energy for an individual consumer, it only takes a few tablespoons of water and the amount of lithium that is in your smartphone.

Wow.

One person for 10 years.

That's how incredible nuclear fusion is as a source of clean energy.

Holy cow.

Now they say that if this is true, it would still take us decades before we could open up a plant.

Do you believe that to be true?

No,

it can happen a lot faster than that.

I mean, I think back to when you and I sat down in your studio almost three years ago to the date,

I think it was November 2019.

And at that time, I predicted that we would see this moment within five years, so before 2024.

And here we are.

And back then, I remember the consensus in the industry was, you know, 2030 and beyond.

Yeah.

So,

no, it's not going to take 10 years to commercialize.

We're going to have compact nuclear fusion reactors really within the next three years.

We're going to see net energy output.

And then, from my perspective, it's just a matter of commercialization.

So as I look into the second half of this decade, we should see at least one or two companies producing those initial compact fusion reactors to be put into commercial use for clean energy production.

Like what kind of compact?

What are you talking about?

For your house, for your phone, for a city?

Well,

in the industry, when we talk about a compact fusion reactor, we can imagine something roughly the size of a semi-trailer,

which is exciting because you can manufacture these things,

put them on the back of a semi-trailer, ship them out to whatever neighborhood or subdivision or city metropolitan area and install these and basically connect them to the the electricity grid

and is this something that is

uh affordable will it become affordable i mean it sounds like the resources that you need are plentiful

yes the

the engineering required is

um

while uh technically more advanced in terms of material science, especially with regards to making these

magnets that are required to contain this incredibly hot

pressurized plasma, that's really the hardest part.

But the costs are going to be a lot less than a large power production plant.

because

fusion is such an energy-dense

way to produce electricity as opposed to a natural gas plant or a coal plant, something like that, or for that matter, a nuclear fission plant.

And once you start the fusion, it doesn't stop, right?

It just keeps feeding.

So this is the great part.

This is in terms of operational cost.

If you're producing 10 units of energy,

then you can just take a portion of that energy and use it to fuel the nuclear fusion reaction.

It'll just go on forever, as long as you need it to.

24-7,

that's the beauty of these fusion reactions, and there's no risk of a meltdown at all.

The moment you basically

take your finger off the button,

basically the plasma cools down peacefully.

and the reaction stops and just stops producing energy.

All right, back in just a second.

Can you you stay with us, Jeff, for a while?

Okay, hang on just a second because I want to know what does this mean for the car energy, for the bat or the car industry, the battery industry?

If it could happen that quickly,

what happens to all of that infrastructure that they're building now, the solar panel

industry?

All right, back in just a second.

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Well,

Jeff, we know that

big oil kept big battery from being made.

And so now, why would big battery allow fusion to happen?

What does this mean for all of the battery research and the cars we're building now?

Well,

the industry for

petroleum and

gasoline, of course, natural gas, this is the one that will be the most threatened coal as well from a breakthrough like this.

When we have limitless, almost free clean energy, no carbon emissions, no reactive waste,

why do we need those other sources of energy?

And there's obviously some very large vested interests that would probably prefer to not see this happen.

But the car industry,

this is what makes, from my perspective, electric vehicles make sense.

Historically, in the U.S., 60% of all electricity production comes from coal and natural gas.

And in fact, in the last two years, our usage of coal has increased from about 21% to 25% just in the last two years.

I know it's counterintuitive.

So driving around an electric vehicle when it's fueled by electricity from fossil fuels, that doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

But if we have nuclear fusion,

then electric vehicles make a ton of sense because we don't have to burn fossil fuels to create the electricity to fuel them.

All right.

So

I hate to be such a pessimist, but I just have seen too many things here.

There's also vested interest right now, especially with ESG, to make sure that those profits happen that haven't been happening and are causing all kinds of problems for these big hedge funds, et cetera.

The idea that we are on a breakthrough energy

would funnel a lot of money into these kinds of new technologies

and help fund them.

And if they're real, great.

If they're a Green New Deal, not so great.

And so there is big business and big money and big government that would love to...

It's just coincidental

or very, very convenient that this would be announced like this by the government, which would play right into their hand.

Am I being too pessimistic here?

No, I don't think you are.

There's just tens of billions of dollars at stake here.

And obviously, I mean, even if we look at the whole carbon credit industry, the net beneficiary of carbon credits has been the financial services industry that makes money trading these things around.

They're not solving our environmental problems.

You know, they haven't changed how energy is produced around the world.

They're just a financial instrument.

And so

this is real.

This is transformational.

In fact, I would argue that commercializing nuclear fusion technology is the single most important thing that we can do

for

our environment

easily, right?

This should be it.

This is it.

If you have this, this is really all you have to do.

You'll take all energy that is being manufactured and make it 100% clean.

That's all you have to do.

That's like shutting the planet off, which they said we had to do.

That's what this would be.

That's right.

That's right.

And, you know,

the craziest thing about all of this is that

we're so close to having this breakthrough is that less than $10 billion,

less than $10 billion

over the last three decades has been invested by the U.S.

government and by the private sector in nuclear fusion technology projects and companies.

Now that said, this year, twenty twenty two, was an absolute record year.

It was the biggest private funding year.

This whole industry has been primarily driven by a private industry, venture capitalists.

And so in that sense, it was a breakthrough year, and that's because people can see that we're really on the cusp of this breakthrough.

So I think, I believe that at the government level, we're going to see a very big shift in terms of levels of investment.

This should be the equivalent of a Manhattan project or an Apollo program

in terms of energy policy.

Okay.

Can you hang on just a few minutes more, Jeff?

Do you have time?

Okay.

Because I have a couple of questions.

One, I want to know what we should look for, because I don't trust the government at all.

What do we look for that we could hang our hat on as this is real

in tomorrow's announcement?

Also, I want to talk to you a little bit about 2023, what you see coming in 2023 that will be game-changing towards our lives.

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Tomorrow, the Department of Energy is going to announce that we have broken the barrier for fusion energy.

This is

gigantic, if true.

I am a pessimist for a couple of reasons on this.

One,

I don't believe the government.

Two, it's awfully darn convenient.

It's what the World Economic Forum already had in their charts as providing

fuel for us later.

So

I'm just very skeptical.

I'm going to talk to Jeff Brown on some more here and get what we have to hear tomorrow to believe that this is true.

However, I am optimistic.

because these are exactly the things that are going to be happening more and more the further we go along.

With the quantum computing that we have, with

the

edge of almost every technology that we're at, the closer we get to the singularity, you're going to see on a Tuesday, we've cured cancer.

You're going to see we've cured blindness.

All of these things.

And it's going to happen.

It will be at a breathtaking pace at some point if we don't destroy ourselves first.

So I am optimistic because this is the kind of thing that I expect to be coming.

I am pessimistic because it is the government doing it.

Jeff Brown is with us.

How do you feel about what I just said, Jeff?

Well, I think your gut instinct is spot on.

If we look at the...

what the announcement says today,

I agree with you.

I believe there is a government-led plan

and that it's going to be the headline that's important.

So the details will be glossed over in terms of significance, but I'm with you.

This timing of this announcement will be used to justify massive levels of funding,

probably not all of which will actually go into nuclear fusion.

Yeah, what a surprise.

But I'm sure all that money has gone right directly to the front lines lines of Ukraine.

So what do we look for tomorrow?

How will we know this is real?

Well, you know, there's a few things

that we should look for.

One is, you know,

does the laboratory, does the Lawrence Livermore Laboratory and or the Department of Energy, do they actually

produce or share?

their scientific research from this experiment.

And that's what it was.

It was an experiment.

And so, in other words, do they make the details available to us?

So others can reproduce.

That's right.

So that it can be peer-reviewed, basically, by the scientific community.

Two, you just said it.

Is the reaction, is the net energy gain reaction, is it reproducible?

So did they do it just one time or they did it three or four or five times?

You know, if they can't reproduce it, then we should be very skeptical.

And this is something that they will say that we, because they said it already, that they've produced it twice.

However, they haven't been able to measure it.

So, I mean, what does that mean?

But they've said this.

But I remember when we first talked about fusion when I was younger in the 80s, and I think it was somebody in Utah said they did it, and they did it twice, but then they released the information and nobody could reproduce it, and it was a fraud.

Is there any reason that the government should say, well, we can't release all of the details.

This, in normal everyday

science like this,

we would produce the research and show and say to the rest of the world,

you can reproduce, correct?

Yes, they should be able to share the details of

how they created the reaction and how they sustained it for a certain period of time, and it should be reproducible.

The only nuance there is that someone would have to build an identical facility, which is not cheap,

in an attempt or effort to reproduce the reaction.

Probably not the best approach for the industry.

And I would argue that private industry, there's a handful of companies that have different approaches to nuclear fusion

that will be able to produce their own net energy reactions over the course of the next 12 or 18 months.

And so

this experiment

will really quickly become a moot point because we'll be able to demonstrate it in several other places.

You know, it's really weird.

I don't know what it is, but there always seems to be people all over the world.

It's like you break a threshold.

You know, we don't really know.

We think, because we had the PR machine, that it was uh Wilburn Orville Wright but they also say in Brazil there was somebody there was somebody in Russia and it all happened around the same time there's something weird about how this works when you break barriers like this so you do think that there are other ways to do it and we're that close to the other ways

I do in fact

successful fusion reactions not net energy output but fusion reactions have already happened in south korea they've happened in the uk of course they've happened here in the u.s um there's a company up in vancouver in canada uh and so this is an the the natural result from my perspective of um all of these parties whether they're um you know public or private having access to effectively the same kinds of technology that are what enable these types of very complex and advanced fusion reactions.

So let me take it a step further.

This is, I mean, when you say it takes like a tablespoon of water and as much lithium as you have in your phone, that doesn't seem expensive.

Now, it would be very expensive to first build these plants.

But after a while, the plants would pay for themselves

and, you know, all the new wiring or whatever would be needed.

What does this do?

You know, I think of Tesla when he said, I can create free energy.

And his investors said,

I need something I can put a meter on.

How cheap does electricity get?

Well,

some have argued that

it won't even be worth it to attach a meter to it because

it will be so cheap.

And there's some truth to that.

To your point, there's a large upfront capex,

which will decline over time.

It will cost almost nothing except for some labor to maintain these reactions because again they produce more than enough energy to keep the reaction running.

So you don't have any electrical costs to maintain the reaction or other otherwise fuel costs.

So your inputs are effectively almost zero.

And

yeah, it's just it's almost free.

I think that's an accurate way,

an accurate way to put it because you amortize those upfront upfront capital expenditures

for the equipment build over a number of years.

Okay, so that leads me to all kinds of questions, but we'll save them for another talk, maybe later this week.

Who takes that on then after the initial?

I mean, it'd be government.

But the one thing, let me concentrate on the upside here before we part.

If you have unlimited energy and through technology and AI,

you then go into unlimited labor.

That's what made America in the 1950s.

Cheap energy and cheap labor.

This is almost free, and once you get it set up, almost free labor.

I mean, this would be a, I mean, this would transform

humanity entirely all over the world.

Yes.

And

along the lines of what you just suggested, as we complement or augment the human workforce with humanoid robotics, like one of the most exciting things that's happening in the industry right now is what Elon Musk is doing at Tesla with a humanoid robot called Optimus.

which is already in the prototype stage.

He's building a general-purpose humanoid robot to augment the human labor force and address our labor shortages.

And he's using the same artificial intelligence that he uses to drive Teslas autonomously.

So you incorporate the physical hardware of a highly functional and capable humanoid robot with completely clean and inexpensive, almost free energy, which is what fuels the batteries, and then the artificial intelligence, which gives it the ability to infer, to learn, and to perform tasks that humans are used to performing.

We're going to have an absolute revolution in terms of productivity,

cost of living improvements, improvements in the quality of life.

And we're also going to be able to capture some of our time back for our own use.

Okay, so last question.

I've said for other reasons, you won't recognize your country and you won't recognize the world by 2030.

At what point do you think people say

it is absolutely entirely different than when I grew up?

I would argue that that moment

will

happen

within

five years.

I think it will happen far sooner than anyone realizes.

The moment that we have these AI-enabled humanoid robots, the moment that we have a pervasive use of really self-driving cars and semi-trucks, you know, carrying loads across the country, the moment that everyone has a personalized digital assistant, which is an AI that can perform tasks on our behalf that saves us an hour or two a day of time that we would otherwise spend.

I mean, that's that moment of transformation.

And all that technology that exists today is just a matter of commercializing it and getting it out into the mass market, the consumer public.

Jeff, I'd love to have you on maybe again on Wednesday after we hear the announcement, just so you can go through it and tell us if there's anything, if there's any there there, if you have time.

And I'd love to have you back for a podcast in studio at the beginning of the year to talk about what's coming in the next 12 months and the next five years.

That would be fantastic.

Great.

We'll see you then.

Talk to you again, hopefully on Wednesday when we finally hear the news that is supposedly coming out, that

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Stu and I are

just kind of reeling from the possibility of fusion

plants being,

the standard.

And now I am, I just, I have a really hard time because of the timing of all of this

and the fact that the World Economic Forum was kind of planning on fusion plants, I don't know, a couple of years ago by 2030.

Now, did they know something?

Or is this just wishful thinking?

Is this just to pour money away from oil and gas and into something else, which would help hasten our demise if we're not close, but apparently we are close.

So I don't know.

I don't know.

I wait to hear a word from environmentalists about how this will be terrible because that's what they did with nuclear energy.

Yeah.

It's what they even do with solar and wind when it gets close enough to their house.

May I play an environmentalist now?

We're going to go ahead and sell me on fusion.

Oh, we're talking about something that's free energy.

It's no emissions.

I know you're really concerned about global warming.

Yeah, so hang on just a second.

It's close to free energy, endless.

Great.

Do you know what that's going to do to the population?

That will just make us even more populous.

Yeah.

We will, yeah.

That's great news.

That is not what they want.

Not to us.

No, it's great news to us.

It's not to them.

And, you know, this goes against, this goes for any reasonable person on global warming.

Zero emissions.

Zero.

So, and no danger to it.

So that's fantastic.

However, that's not the real goal.

The real goal is control

and dehumanize the planet as much as possible.

Yeah, you know, and I think the,

I think there will be problems that we do not foresee and some that we might foresee when the entire world were to get free, unlimited energy.

But I do think that imagine North Korea.

Right.

Like, what would they, exactly?

What would happen in that society?

I do think that is,

I think that is worth the risk.

I think that everybody around the world,

if it's possible, deserves a chance to be able to reap the benefits of

all the wonderful things that have happened.

Right.

So

what does America get from

free energy?

If America is the one that comes up with it, I would like to give it away to pay off our debt.

Okay, just forgive our debt.

Here is this technology.

Yeah, sure.

That's a good question.

That would be great.

But if you are a lefty, you would say, and even me,

this should be global technology.

After you pay the debt of what it costs for that company, why isn't this just out there?

Why wouldn't everybody have that?

Yeah, it's a great thought.

Though, you know, profit motive tends to drive the next round of innovations that we haven't even considered yet.

So, like, I don't think we should abandon capitalism over this, but I do think it's a great thing to be able to spread.

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