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Yesterday, the New York Times had a little get-together, and guess who showed up?

At least virtually, it was Bankman Freed.

You know, the guy from

FTX that, you know, just lost about $10 billion for investors.

Ken Lay, Enron, all of that.

Those guys were in jail within 24 hours.

This guy is still in the Bahamas, and he's doing an interview for a very special, well-promoted

interview with the New York Times.

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So, Stu,

yesterday I kind of had a bad day.

I had a bad day.

I would say that.

You're doing okay?

Yeah, I'm doing fine.

But I would say that was a bad day.

Sure.

Yes, I would agree.

But that bad day didn't include me losing

$10

billion for other people.

No, you didn't lose any billions of dollars.

I did people.

No, no, because I don't know if I would describe that as having a bad month.

You know, I had a bad month, lost $30 billion,

$10 billion in other people's money.

Right.

Yeah.

That's a really bad.

That's a bad month.

I think it's above a bad month.

But that is the way that Bankman Freed started the interview yesterday with the New York Times.

He apologized and said,

I've just, I mean, here,

let me actually play it for you.

Let's play cut 11, please.

I mean, look, I've had a bad month.

This has not been a fun year from me.

But

that's not what matters here.

Like, what matters here is the millions of customers.

What matters here is all the stuff.

Stop.

I want to come back to that part of it at the end.

Put a pin in that.

But let's start with what he said.

I just didn't know.

Cut nine, please.

Was there commingling of funds?

That's what it appears like.

It appears like there's a genuine commingling of the funds that are of FTX customers that were not supposed to be commingled with your separate firm.

I didn't knowingly commingle funds.

And again, one piece of this, you have the margin trading.

You have customers borrowing from each other.

Alameda is one of those.

I was frankly surprised by how big Alameda's position was, which points to another failure of oversight on my part

and failure to appoint someone to be chiefly in charge of that.

But

I wasn't trying to commingle funds.

Oh.

Okay.

Well, there's all kinds of evidence that

Almeida, which was the hedge fund, and FTX shared an account with their banking partner.

So, I mean, you're sharing an account at Silvergate.

So not sure how you square that circle or you weren't aware.

But what he's saying here basically is,

I wasn't aware of it.

That's his girlfriend that's running it.

So, in other words, hey,

I didn't look at her.

His girlfriend is running it.

He appointed her, and he's still the owner of Alameda.

He still owns the,

you know, that's kind of a big part of it.

And his incompetence/slash fraudulent activities are what we're talking about.

Yeah, right.

I wasn't running that, and I didn't get involved because I was nervous about the conflict of interest if I were too involved in that.

You got the same bank account, dude.

You have the same bank account.

All right, so let's go to cut 10.

I personally don't think I have criminal liability.

How concerned are you about criminal liability at this point?

So I don't think that, I mean, obviously, I don't personally think that I have,

you know,

criminal liability.

I think the real answer is that's not,

it sounds weird to say, but, but I think the real answer is that's not what I'm focusing on.

What are you thinking?

Yeah.

There's going to be a time and a place for me to

sort of think about

myself and my own future, but I don't think this is it.

Oh.

So, dude, did you commit any crimes?

Look,

I don't think so, but it's not the time or place to think about me.

You can think about me later.

What I'm concerned about are all of the people who have lost their money.

What an amazing answer.

And I guess that's the best answer you can give in this moment, other than the correct answer, which is don't do the interview.

That's the first thing is

stay away.

Correct.

So you don't do an interview like this.

Stu, how many interviews in the course of my career have I been asked to do

and everyone clearly said, don't do it.

You do not want to do it.

This sounds familiar.

Like we've had that conversation a thousand times.

A thousand times.

Now,

to be clear, you have not lost $10 billion for investors at any point.

Correct.

And never done anything wrong.

Knowingly.

So,

however,

people used to say that watched me

when I was on Bill O'Reilly.

Why do you continually go on his program?

He kills you.

And that never was ever discussed except for the first time I went on Bill O'Reilly, right?

Bill is going to, you know, he's a wild car.

You don't know what's going to happen.

Okay.

Yeah.

Why did I always not listen to that advice on Bill O'Reilly?

Well, I mean, I think you guys actually had a good relationship.

We had a good relationship.

And he would push you on things, but you knew it was coming from a good place.

Exactly.

He said to me at one point, look, if I think you're wrong, I'm going to tell you you're wrong.

If I think you're out of line, I'm going to tell you you're out of line.

But most of the stuff that you do, I don't think you're out of line.

I may not agree with your conclusions, but I don't think it's out of line.

It's a good question.

So, Glenn, come on my show.

I will ask you the hard questions, but it won't be a setup.

I'm not trying to destroy you.

Right.

Uh-huh.

So, why would Sam

go on?

Go on with the New York Times

against all advice

because he knew he was walking into a friendly room.

They're going to ask you tough questions.

We're going to ask you tough questions.

But he knew it would not be a lynching.

He knew that there were friends at the New York Times and he could

ask

and then answer, this is not the time to think about me.

It's not the time.

I mean, my question is: why aren't you in jail, dude?

What makes you different from Ken Lay?

What makes you different from Enron?

What makes you different than Bernie Madoff?

He then appeals to the people of the audience.

I care about the people who lost their money, and I'm sure there's people in your audience that have lost money.

And they laugh.

And they laugh.

wow somebody who lost $10 billion of investors money and he shows up and people are like oh that crazy kid

this is a whitewashing

this is this is money laundering except it's reputation laundering they are just laundering him here

that's interesting i mean look i think everybody wants this interview right?

Like, this is, it's not like people are resisting talking to this guy right now.

I think, you know, so he's selecting who he's going.

He's also going on with George Stephanopoulos, apparently.

Oh, George Stephanopoulos, which is interesting, kind of, I think, supports your, your thesis there.

Uh-huh.

Right.

You know,

I'm not surprised that the New York Times would take the interview or offer the interview.

I'm sure every mainstream like financial journalist has offered this interview.

He's selecting where he's going, though, right?

And this is, you know, we were in that room, weren't we, Glenn?

This,

I can't remember what event we did there.

We did something there.

I remember doing it.

And it's an impressive, impressive room, right?

Like at the New York Times.

It's like an incredible place for one of these things.

Yeah.

We did, just to piss him off, we did an event for the Blaze when we first launched in that same room.

Yeah.

That's what it was.

That's right.

It was a launch announcement of the Blaze.

That's right.

And

it was pretty sweet.

It is.

It was pretty sweet.

And we walked into the New York Times and everybody's like, good Lord, what are these people doing here?

They were just hoping that it was some arrest announcement.

Don't worry.

We're just doing an exorcism.

Don't worry about it.

But it's, you're right.

I mean, it's like, I mean, I watched a good chunk of this interview.

It was over an hour.

And apparently he did almost two hours with George Stephanopoulos that's coming out partially today.

Another guy.

Who's not going to really press on.

So how much money were you giving to the Democratic Party?

Yeah, because that's, you know, I don't, I didn't hear one question about that from the Times.

See,

that's where they're washing all of this.

Yeah, there's this question.

Just make sure that he's not tied to any of that.

Let's not get into any of how much money was going to the people who are now going to keep him out of jail.

Let's make sure we don't ask those questions.

See, there's two ways this can go, I think.

One way is the way you're talking about where they will protect him.

And I I think there's a real argument to be made that that's the way it goes.

I think it's maybe the most likely way it goes that he will be protected because of all the money that he was giving to Democrats.

The only there is that part, though, where this does cause problems for Democrats, right?

Like it does expose them.

You know, like you don't want pictures of you when you're running for re-election with Bernie Madoff, with your arm around him.

And like these sorts of problems are going to be real for Democrats going forward.

You don't have Bernie Madoff here.

You don't have a mainstream press making him in to Ken Lay or Bernie Madoff.

I don't know that he, this is really bad.

And you might be right, but it's going to be hard to whitewash this guy.

You remember what it was like with Bernie Madoff?

How they just

hounded him all the time.

Have you seen, have you seen him being hounded in his Bahamas?

uh home have you seen that have you seen the gaggle of no i haven't either no though

Bernie Manoff was walking down the streets of New York when the footage was taken.

This guy knows.

They were also staked out in front of his house.

They never let these guys rest because they were on a mission to make sure they showed how evil these people were.

That's true.

They're not on that mission.

So

the people who are average people are not hearing the Sam Bankman Freed jokes.

Yeah, that's true.

You know, it's interesting.

They They don't seem to be on a mission.

They seem to, like, the tone of the coverage, and I've watched a lot of it.

They are on a mission.

Yeah.

That's a different story.

It's like the way the tone of it is, like,

we need to understand.

Yeah.

Almost like we need to understand because this guy who we all said was so great may have done a couple things wrong.

So let's come up with a reason to, or let's let him explain, give him an ample opportunity to explain why this reason wasn't that he wanted a private jet and a $30 million apartment in the Bahamas.

Imagine that I lost $10 million

of people's investment and I was co-mingling funds.

And it was an honest error.

$10 million, not billion.

They would slaughter me.

They'd be all over the place.

They'd have people parked outside these windows right now.

Absolutely they would.

They are on a mission.

And one of the mission,

to me, there are two reasons.

He's doing interviews where he knows he won't be pushed on the tough questions.

Keep this away from everyone else.

Contain this.

Okay.

So he's looking like a really good guy.

Look, I'm just trying to help out.

I just believe in giving all this money away.

And it just got out of hand, but I wasn't part of it.

And don't ask any questions about Democrats.

Don't ask any questions why all of a sudden everything is different with this guy than Ken Lay or Enron.

And they want to contain it.

But the second thing they need to do

is

make sure

America learns the lesson about how bad

these unregulated markets really are.

I mean, it is so dangerous.

We can't just have this cryptocurrency out there.

We need a central cryptocurrency.

That's what he was for.

He was leading the band on saying, we got to, these people are out of control.

We got to regulate all of this.

He was a major force in that.

So they need to tell the story that cryptocurrency is bad.

Bad, bad, bad, bad, bad.

That's why we need a Fed coin.

And by the way,

We weren't in league with him on that or anything else.

No, no, no.

The media,

the politicians, the Democrats?

No, no, no, no, no.

What money?

He gave us money.

What?

That's what's happening.

That's what's happening.

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It's interesting.

The question about Sam Sam Bankman Freed here, as you compare it to Enron, I think is interesting because Enron, people just categorize as this big fraud that collapsed.

But if you go back and you look at that story, there were three main characters in that story: Ken Lay, Jeffrey Skilling, and Andrew Fastow.

And they all were three different slices of this fraud, different levels of it.

Ken Lay largely was a figurehead of that company.

He was schmoozing with presidents.

He was seeing

big, important people, talking generally about concepts.

Was he really looking looking at the books every day i don't think so at all i don't think so i think he was he was seen as the head and he was that he was the ceo he's still responsible because you're signing off on everything right so so he was still responsible

exactly he

sam bankman freed is trying to tell everybody he's ken lay correct i you know i was there i was talking to all the politicians i wasn't paying attention to every little thing i can't the next level that was jeffrey skilling who was operational he was actually the ceo i think at the time it's been a while since i read that book but it's you know he was the guy who was, he was the guy who realized there were problems in the company and believed he was so smart and could beat, could, could beat the system and believed, hey, we have problems.

We could piece it back together.

This is going to be okay.

And was willing to

do some things over the lines, but was like legitimately trying to keep this company together.

Trying to enrich himself by doing it.

Yeah, it was more about, he was much more concerned with showing how smart he was and how he had developed all these new things.

And, you know, he's a brilliant guy, but he went to jail for a long, long time.

The third level of this is Andrew Fastow, who operationally was going out and actually doing what I view as blatantly illegal things, knowingly setting up fraudulent companies.

Skilling was more like, look,

whatever we got to do to get through the next month, just get that done.

And then not necessarily involved in every little step of it.

Fastow was the guy executing a lot of that, in my opinion.

So you look at those three levels.

It's the question of which one is Sam Bankman-Fried.

Is he Ken Lay?

Is he Jeffrey Skilling?

Is he Andrew Fastow?

But see, what they're not doing is comparing him to an Enron.

No.

So, because if you compare, you realize all three of those guys went to jail.

Yeah, but you know

who had the lightest touch from the law was Andrew Fastow.

The guy, the guy who I view as doing the most damage and doing the most illegal things, because he came out and he went to the press and he said, you know, who's really bad?

Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling.

Those guys,

you know, it's a totally

wow.

There's certainly someone's looking for a path out of this.

That's certainly the truth.

Yeah, that's weird because that's kind of the message that we got yesterday at the New York Times.

I didn't do anything, you know.

You really want to talk to my girlfriend, probably.

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Some of the stories that you're going to find today.

One, Jerome Powell claims nobody expected inflation to get out of hand like this.

Well, I don't know about him, but I did.

Everybody I know that can do simple math did.

You know, I mean, I hate to point out that you also had

the economic advisor for the White House under Obama.

He did Clinton's economic advisor.

Neighborhood, by the way, under Obama.

Right.

Larry Summers.

Yep.

Jason Furman.

Exactly right.

They both did.

I mean,

I'm just saying there were some voices out there that said, you can't print money like this and spend money like this.

Also, the entire conservative movement.

I know.

For political debt.

For the Republicans in Congress.

Did you hear what they did yesterday?

We welcome Pat Gray from Pat Gray Unleashed.

Oh, I love that shit.

Thank you.

Did you hear what they said yesterday, what McConnell said yesterday?

No omnibus bill until we take control of the Senate.

No, no, it should be no omnibus bill

period.

That's it.

When was the last time we had an actual budget?

2008.

2008 or 2007.

I can't remember.

I think eight.

Yeah, it's been 14, 15 years.

Yeah.

Something like that.

Yeah, imagine running your house.

I mean, how can you possibly run

the biggest economy on earth?

Without a budget.

For 15 years without a budget.

That's

unreal.

Can you imagine if General Motors or anybody, anyone who was traded on the New York stock?

They said, yeah, we haven't done a budget in 15 years.

Yeah.

They'd be accused of fraud.

Absolutely.

And probably would be involved in fraud.

Yeah, they probably would.

Wonder where our money is going.

By the way, so the reason why we have inflation is they spent too much money, they printed too much money, and we continue to spend too much money.

NPR has freezed hiring and cut their budget because there's a sharp drop in sponsorship revenue.

But that's public radio and television.

We can't let that go to the wolves.

So we should get some more money from the government, shouldn't we?

Well, I don't know.

They're pretty busy.

They just granted $75 million to move three Native American tribes away from the rising seas.

What?

Yes.

Yes.

Away from the rising seas.

Where are they located that they're in the middle of the night?

There are three Native American tribes.

Okay.

They're on coastal areas and risk destruction.

You're going to know right where they are.

Because,

well, because they're right there and

they protect all the salmon.

The Native Americans protect all the salmon.

The Native Americans are protecting the salmon.

Is that their full-time job?

I'm not sure.

I'm not sure.

It might be the calling that each of them get.

Anyway, so they're being moved.

They're up in Alaska.

Also, Biden has announced that he wants taxpayers to pay for sex change operations on minors.

I urge Congress to debate that.

Go ahead.

Pass it as law.

He won't.

He'll do it through executive order.

But

now we're paying.

Not only are we paying for abortions.

We're also now paying for the 15-year-old down the street to have their

penis lopped off.

That's nice, nice anchor.

So, by the way, today's podcast coming out later today, haven't done it yet,

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Now, a couple of years later, is like, this was the biggest mistake of my life and cannot have children anymore.

So many of those.

And

she wants to go back

to D-transition, and she really can't.

So she's going to talk about it.

Oh, these are all reversible.

Yeah.

Completely reversible.

Well, she's going to be on the podcast.

You'll get that tonight if you're a Blaze subscriber.

Geez, that's heartbreaking.

Right.

So we are, you know, we're pushing for it.

But you know who else is pushing for it?

And this might change where you shop.

Walmart.

Walmart, the Walton family are funneling millions of dollars into LGBT activist causes, including drag shows for kids and other DEI programs.

Sam would be

spinning like a lathe in his grave right now.

Yeah.

These are like the third generation Waltons, right?

Is that where we are now?

No, I.

No, I think

this is the Alice Walton Foundation and Olivia Tom Walton.

And I'm not sure if that's great.

I think those are...

Might be.

I might be.

I don't know.

We should shall agree.

I think it's a little bit differently than Sam did.

Yeah.

Yeah.

This is why these people who make all this money and leave it in a foundation, they usually start out very conservative, not all of them, but start out very conservative, and then their kids get it, and then their grandkids get it.

And before you know it, they are a force for evil.

Because they did nothing for that wealth.

And so they

appreciate it.

They don't appreciate it.

And you can't, you can't, just because you raised the kids doesn't mean they're going to agree with everything that you believed in.

Right.

Right.

You know, yeah.

And you get a kid that, you know, if I died today, I was just thinking about this.

I'm not sure I would leave like the museum pieces that I have to my kids because my kids aren't driven like I am by the history.

Yeah.

I know Tim Barton, who's David Barton's son, who's, you know, what, 30.

I know he is exactly the same.

He wasn't 15 years ago but he is now and he's got he's now on the same path his dad was on i might leave it all to him

because you can't be a good way to go you can't do that and trust that your wealth is going to be used for good in these funds and here's walmart and you know one of the reasons i like walmart is because of sam walton yeah not anymore guys that's over this is a good uh argument to just blow all your money on parties and and

trips and just things that

just blow it all.

Don't give it to your kids.

Blow it all.

Right.

Yep.

By the way.

Every time.

Every time.

The EPA has quietly quadrupled the regulatory cost of carbon emissions on fossil fuels.

So it went from $51 per metric ton, now $190.

per metric ton.

So that will be a new headache for the oil and gas industry.

and you're going to start seeing that passed on to you.

By the way,

did you see the figures that came out for the hurricane season, which ended yesterday?

It's over.

There were 14 named storms.

There's usually 14 named storms.

So that's up 100% if my math is right.

No, your math isn't right.

No, you got the two zeros.

Yeah, thank you.

Right.

Thank you.

And there's only

14.

Now, there were

eight hurricanes overall, they say.

There's usually seven.

So that's an incredibly extreme, outrageous increase that shows that the frequency and intensity is just increasing exponentially.

And then there were, they said two major storms.

I only know of one that made landfall, and that was the first one, Ian,

in Florida.

The second one that made landfall on the other side of Florida was only a category one, and that's not a major storm, but they predicted three.

By my count, there was one.

I mean, unless I missed a major hurricane somewhere along the way.

Yeah.

So, again,

there's your one.

There's your one.

And you had the two zeros.

What are zeros?

Nothing.

100.

So you must have had 100.

100%.

100% increase.

Wow.

It is nuts.

We are tubing our entire lifestyle.

Yeah.

I mean, people, I just don't think people, do they?

Do people understand

who you talk to every day who are just not, you know, newshounds or whatever?

Do they understand

that the American lifestyle, not just America and your freedoms, but the American lifestyle of being able to have money to do things, to be able to own land, own your own home, own your LSTA, that's gone soon.

That's gone.

A lot of it, I think, has to to do with what you were talking about with the Waltons, right?

Where there,

as a society, we haven't gone through, we've gone through tough times.

But like, I'm reading

that new book that's out, I think it's called Power Failure.

It's a history of GE, and it goes back to the very beginning.

All the way back with Edison?

In the 1800s, yeah.

I love it.

Yeah.

I mean, this is right down your alley.

And it's interesting because they right up your alley, I guess is the rough phrase.

Anyway, I don't know why that sounded weird.

So anyway, they go through this, and I think I can't remember the years, 1898 and 1907.

There were multiple societal collapses in this period.

Oh, yeah.

Where like, you know,

20, 30 percent unemployment, uh, you know, real questions, but short periods of time.

Yeah, real questions, though, as if the country would survive.

Like, J.P.

Morgan is credited for coming in in 1907 and, like, bailing out the country from complete and utter collapse.

Now, look, obviously COVID was a situation where, I mean, the entire situation, the entire country shut down for a period.

2008 was really, really ugly.

But like, it still feels different.

It doesn't feel, I think, to people that we felt that level of pain where entire, I mean, they.

Because we don't.

The federal government at that time.

They had to be bailed out.

You're exactly right.

Bailed out.

A private individual.

By J.P.

Morgan.

Yes.

Bailed the United States of America

out.

But the average person was not feeling that because the government wasn't paying for everything.

Now we're going to feel the collapse, but we haven't felt any of this real pain because they've been cooking the books and pouring money out.

Why aren't they stopping, if they're worried about inflation, why aren't they stopping spending?

Why?

Because that's causing inflation.

Well, they don't even admit that inflation is a problem.

I know.

I know.

It's transitory.

I know.

Yeah.

It really is a different world.

And I think, like, if you think of when there was no government organizations in this period back in the day, there would be real collapses and then people would just be out.

They couldn't pay their mortgages.

They would just be out on the streets.

And like, look, we can all look at this and say, hey, it's.

COVID happened, right?

We spent six, eight, $10 trillion on just paying people to stay home.

Certainly that period was softer on the average American than these periods were in the 1900s.

Oh, by a lot.

You eventually pay the price for it.

You do.

You can't do this forever.

Correct.

You pay the price now in freedom as well as economically down the road, but it becomes disconnected.

You know, when we start to pay the price, I guarantee you, they will start saying it's because of the do-nothing Congress from the Republicans.

It's the Republican, and you will not tie it back to the trillions of dollars that were spent that are causing inflation that we didn't have.

You know, so you don't get it.

This is why the Federal Reserve, they were able to convince people eventually, because what the message was with the Federal Reserve, there won't be collapses like that.

We'll be able to make sure that we balance it.

Because people, about every 10 to 20 years, there was a massive depression, but it usually would last 18 months and then it would sprout sprout up again and go.

So what's happened is we don't have those 10, 20 year depressions that last 18 months.

Instead, we will have big recessions that will last two years.

And then when it finally busts, it busts like the Great Depression.

And what's coming?

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Why is...

Why is Apple...

Why was it even discussed that Apple might remove Twitter from its App Store?

Why?

Well, we all know why.

Big tech is protecting the voice and the control that they have.

And they don't really care about freedom of speech.

They don't care about

real honest intellectual dialogue.

And they certainly don't care about the country

if they wouldn't at least talk about

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They don't seem to care about that.

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And he also, like Mike Rowe, and I believe in apprenticeships and everything else.

This is a, I think this guy is a real warrior for what we believe are American truths.

His name is Brendan Carr.

He is a commissioner with the FCC.

Brendan, how are you, sir?

Glad.

So good to join you.

I really appreciate the chance to be with you.

Big fan of everything you're doing.

And listen, if you ever get in trouble at the FCC, if anyone files a profanity or indecency complaint against you,

just don't mention you know me.

It'll go a lot better.

It'll go a lot better.

I know.

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You and I never talked.

That's the story going forward.

I know.

I know.

I know how this works.

Anyway, I wanted to talk to you about two things.

Let's start with TikTok.

Everybody in the tech industry seems to be against Twitter.

I mean, it's crazy by letting people talk how they are being accused of destroying free speech.

It's an upside-down world.

But TikTok, nobody seems to want to do anything about this.

I've read your letter.

I've read your reports on this.

TikTok is extraordinarily dangerous to Americans.

Can you fill in why it's a danger and why

everybody in America seems to be focused on Twitter, including the White House, and not TikTok?

Well, it's quite amazing.

And, you know, TikTok is an example of this.

And as we may get into Apple as well, when your product is, you know, for better or worse, immensely popular with consumers, it's amazing what you can get away with.

And I think TikTok is the prime example.

It's popular with millions and millions of Americans, including young Americans.

And they look at it and they think, well, that's just a fun platform for sharing videos and dance memes.

And the reality is that's just the sheep's clothing.

Underneath, it operates as a very sophisticated surveillance technology.

Right.

In the terms of service, they reserve the right to get your biometrics, including face prints and voice prints, search and browsing history.

keystroke patterns.

The list goes on from there.

And for years, they said, don't worry, this is stored outside of Beijing, not a big deal, even though our parent company is Byte Dance, is based in Beijing.

And well, that's been revealed as nothing more than gaslighting.

It turns out that according to internal communications, quote, everything is seen inside China.

And that's a massive, massive problem.

In fact, their COO was testifying in Congress a couple weeks ago and was asked point blank, do you transfer U.S.

user data to employees in Beijing who are themselves members of the CCP?

And the COO said that she declined to answer that particular question.

So that's troubling.

There's also a new report that just came out that they had this Beijing-based operation that was attempting to surveil the location of specific Americans based on their usage of the TikTok application.

And that's not to mention, obviously, the concerns that come from the content side, where Americans, including children as young as 10 years old, are being fed things like the blackout challenge that's literally convinced them to kill themselves, and some have done that and died as a result.

So it's a national security threat, and it's something that parents should be worried about as well.

So explain to, because I've tried to explain this to my family.

You know, my kids are like, yeah, right, Dad, I got it.

What is China going to do with my, you know, my face print and my information?

Can you explain why that's dangerous?

Yeah, it really is.

And if you, one way to think about it is there's a version of TikTok.

TikTok itself isn't available in Beijing, but a version of it called Doyan, a sister app run by the parent company.

And that application shows kids science experiments, museum exhibits, educational material.

And again, here in the U.S., it's showing kids the blackout challenge.

So that's where the real danger comes.

But also, if you step back, what's really happening when you're using TikTok, every time you swipe or click or search, what you're doing is you're feeding, training, and improving China's artificial intelligence, their AI.

And China has said, we want to dominate the world in AI by 2030.

And they're going to use it for authoritarian purposes, for surveillance, for exporting their control.

So, even if you step back from your own self and your own kids, and even TikTok itself, the idea that we're sending this data and these clicks back to Beijing is improving their AI, and that's going to come around and bite us in ways that are, again, unrelated to TikTok itself.

So, we have Google doing the same thing.

I mean, that's why Google was

free,

they wanted all that information to work on AI.

So, you're saying this is just another another version of Google, if you will, that's here in America to be able to mine for all of that information.

Yeah, you're right.

You know, China has a fundamental flaw both in their system of government, obviously, but it carries through to AI, which is they don't have feedback loops.

They don't understand sort of Western-free thinking.

And so they need Americans to be on TikTok.

to be observing their usage of data in order to create their AI and make it a healthy system.

So the sooner we cut off data flows back to Beijing, the sooner their version of AI starts to atrophy and go down a separate path in which it's going to be a lot less successful.

So I think we do need to look broadly, how do we stop training China's artificial intelligence?

But again, that's a piece of it.

It's used for surveillance.

It can be used for blackmail.

It can be used for foreign influence campaigns.

And where things are right now is this is in the court of the Biden administration.

The Treasury Department has a group called CIPIAS, Committee on Foreign Investment, and they've been reviewing TikTok for over a year at this point.

And the New York Times reports that they've got a preliminary deal in place to allow TikTok to continue to operate.

And frankly, I think this is a big IQ test for the administration.

And it's sort of a pass-fail at this point.

And in fact, you just had FBI Director Chris Wray testify last week in Congress and said that the FBI has serious national security concerns.

I don't see how the Biden administration can go forward and bless TikTok to continue to operate when you have the FBI, when you have Democrat Senator Mark Warner, chair of the Senate Intel Committee, saying that it is TikTok that scares the dickens out of him, but we may very well be heading towards that direction here.

Google Play Store, Apple App Store, I know you wrote a letter to both of them and said,

drop this.

This is really bad for the country.

Yeah, I mean,

putting aside the content of what's in this application, Google and Azure have very clear terms of service to stay in the app store.

And if data is being used for purposes that aren't being disclosed, or if data is traveling to countries and being accessed from countries without that being properly disclosed, there's precedent for Google and Apple to boot apps off the App Store for that reason.

And so I wrote them a letter and said, look, in light of the national security concerns, in light of these clearly surreptitious data flows that we're now learning about, just apply the terms of your app store policies and boot them from the app store.

Of course, they didn't do that.

And that's why it's obviously highly ironic that there was at least the concern this week that Apple might take action against TikTok because look if if you're pulling advertising dollars or pulling support in Apple's case potentially from from Twitter while keeping your support or expanding your advertising on TikTok you are sending quite the signal about your brand value I think it's very different than the one the one you think one one last thing um because I've got something else I want to talk to you about but one last thing on this you just kind of brushed over this but I think it is critical there was a new survey out that showed, I can't remember, six or eight out of 10 children in China want to be astronauts and want to be scientists.

Here, eight in 10 want to be social media

movers.

Influencers, influencers, yeah.

That's crazy.

And part of that is because of TikTok.

As you said,

the same thing under a different over in China is encouraging people to do crazy great things and science and knowledge and education.

And this same platform is programmed here to really make you as dumb as a box of rocks.

I don't think that's, I don't think that's just, oh, really?

I didn't even notice that.

That's intentional.

Yeah, you're right.

I mean, this is why I've talked about TikTok as China's digital fentanyl, because it's effectively a pike directly from Beijing, from the CCP,

into the ears and eyes and minds of millions and millions of America's youth.

And what they're being served is divisive content.

It's content that is increasing ADHD problems,

suicide ideations, body image issues.

This is what is being fed to us.

And that's deeply, deeply concerning.

And that's why I think it's incumbent on the Biden administration to step in and take some tough action here.

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So, Brendan, I have a philosophical question.

And

I'd like you, if you would, noodle this out.

I tried to contact you a few weeks ago because I was presented with a story

of a book that was in a school library and being read to kids in school.

And it was one of the most vile things I have ever read.

And look, I've done this for 40 plus years.

I know exactly what I can and can't say with the FCC.

Okay.

And I've always understood those to be community standards, et cetera, et cetera.

Here's my problem.

There are times when things need to be heard by the general public.

And I know we can go online and do it, et cetera, et cetera.

But why when we are a community standards-based system, if you can teach it to my children and have it in the classroom, why can't I,

a program that is aimed at adults and during the day when kids should be in school,

why can't I read that book on the air?

Well, you're right.

Look, we still have in place at the FCC rules that apply to broadcast radio and broadcast television that regulate profanity, indecency, similar content like that.

It obviously hasn't been enforced very much in the last few years, but they're still on the books.

And so you're right, there is a point at which potentially

you reading things from

across the broadcast airways that may be found in a library somewhere could have issues under the FCC's profanity and indecency regulations.

Now, of course, there tends to be a newsworthy exception to a lot of that stuff, so you can cover issues and things like that.

But it's a challenge.

And some people say, you know, look, how do you generally square this pro-speech, free speech view with that type of stuff?

And I would say, look, what we can speak of as adults and talk about freely is very different than the content that should be stocking the shelves of

school libraries for kindergartners.

Yeah, my problem is, is this is a show that is based on information and opinion.

You may not like it, but

We take our jobs seriously.

We try to be responsible.

I've always been responsible with the FCC.

And it's not a,

you know, a 1990s Howard Stern kind of thing, which we're way past that.

This is, this is being read to our students in many schools all across the country.

And it is absolutely indecent.

And I know it's indecent.

But

why do I get in trouble for exposing this indecency?

And the way to expose it is to make people understand by hearing it how unbelievably indecent it is.

Yeah, look, I think we've gone a long way recently in trying to address this issue by doing what you're doing.

You know, we've had instances where parents have tried to read books from their, you know, again, kindergarten library at school board meetings, at city council meetings, and they've been shut down and said we can't allow that content to be spoken at these city council meetings, yet, you know, there it is in the kids' classroom.

And so I do think there's been some progress in that.

Now, look, from my perspective, I remember, you know, growing up in high school, the famous M ⁇ M song, the FCC Won't Let Me Be.

And it's quite ironic after humming that song in high school that I've ended up at the FCC.

And look, we try to be very, you know, pro-free speech about this stuff, but this is an issue we're dealing with as a cultural matter right now.

I would not have a problem if it were me possibly losing my license, but I lose the license.

Anything I do could possibly jeopardize the license of every station in my chain.

So

there's no way I'm going to put people out of work to prove this.

What do you recommend?

Well, look, again, there's a newsworthy exception to discussing some of this stuff.

But, you know, look, if you think it's, it's, I mean, it could be good or bad, I don't know.

But, you know, if it's close to the line, you know, there still are background indecency, profanity rules of the FCC.

We do get complaints from time to time.

I mean, we usually dismiss them or don't address in the main.

But yeah, you do potentially subject yourself to FCC scrutiny in those cases.

My problem is I had some of the best attorneys in Washington on free speech and FCC.

I've always had, I have around 25 years.

About three years ago,

they called.

They also represent Google and Apple and Facebook.

And they dropped me in the middle of a case as a client because it made their other clients uncomfortable and they had to make a choice.

So I'm not sure if you will see me and my attorney at some point because,

you know, it's hard to get one if you have to have my opinion today.

Brendan, thank you so much.

I appreciate all that you do at the FCC.

God bless.

Appreciate it.

Thank you.

You bet.

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What is indecency anymore?

Sincerely, what is it?

I think much of the stuff that is being poured into our school is absolutely indecent.

Indecent.

And I think the majority of Americans agree with that.

Now,

I'm just thinking out loud here, because I think this is impossible to do.

We've been battling with this for a few weeks.

There is a story, a book that came out.

You might have read about it, but it went away pretty quickly.

But this book is in many of the schools all across the country.

And I'm talking grade schools.

And it is absolutely indecent.

Now,

I don't want to swear on the air.

I don't want to be indecent.

I know this audience, and I know that

one of the things they like about this program is we have, I mean, not the highest standards, but we...

we have some standards and so they know generally what to expect and indecency and even even just you know clinical descriptions of stuff are not things you come to this program for um

however

when this story first broke I really thought

I don't care about my FCC license anymore

and this story has to be told and then I immediately thought oh wait a minute it's not just my license it's every license of every talk radio show talk radio station that carries this show and it's not only that they may not be they may not be fined I think they would be they wouldn't be fined alone because they carried this program each station separately but also they all have to renew their license with the FCC and if things continue to go the way they are this could wipe out

what 80 85 percent of talk radio they could just lose their license and 85 percent of the stations that do talk radio, gone.

They've tried to compete with conservative talk radio over the years and have failed over and over and over and over again.

What better way to just kick them all off the air?

Yeah.

And they would do it.

And they would absolutely do it.

I think we just had FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr on saying, you know, we have exceptions for

newsworthy yada, yada, yada.

And by the rules, of course, that's true.

And we would have a legal argument.

But

when they went down this road,

guess where the liberal people on these commissions would side when they had an opportunity to knock out all of conservative radio at the same time.

Yeah.

So

it'd be horrible.

I wish it was just me because I'll come up with some other way to talk to you.

I mean, I don't want to do this by any stretch of the imagination

because I have a great relationship and I believe in our local stations.

I'm like, I don't want to get into this.

I do a lot of things that no one else in radio does for local stations

because I so believe in the power of radio and the power of local stations.

We've got to beef them up and help them

because the truth may only come from your local station and not from national, even voices like mine at some point.

Yeah, no, it's true.

And of course, you don't, no one wants to.

go down a road where you would be able to defend yourself.

But when you're talking about 400 stations trying to do it at the same time, I mean,

that's, we've talked about

with other issues, the punishment is the process.

Yes.

Right.

They put these stations through hell, even if they knew they would lose at the end.

If, you know, maybe a court would step up eventually and say, okay, guys, obviously we have a freedom of press.

We have freedom of speech.

There's no way you can possibly do it.

It doesn't matter.

That's two years down the road.

That's a Supreme Court case after these stations are, half of them are shut down because they've been run

through through the ringer by

the left-wing establishment whose goal is to make sure that they do not operate anymore.

So, I mean, these stations already have enough to deal with without that.

This is the one thing.

You have to always, when you're standing up, it has to be an individual thing and invite others.

You can't impose your cause on others.

This is what the left does.

They just impose their cause on you.

Well, no, wait, I might want to join your cause, but

don't just do it and claim I'm part of it.

And that's what would happen if you do something like this.

Yeah, this is like the mob, right?

The mob, the mob says to someone who says, hey, you're owning your, you own that business.

Well, you're going to pay us a protection fee.

And then, and of course, this is if the mob exists, which it doesn't exist.

I just want to say if it did exist,

in the movies, this is what happens.

This does not happen in real life.

None of that is real.

But if it were real, you say, hey, you're going to pay us a protection fee.

And they say, no, I'm standing up for my rights.

And they say, okay, well, guess what?

You can be strong and you can be brave and you can maybe take a bullet if you have to.

But just so you know, before that bullet that you take occurs, you're going to see your family get it.

You're going to see everyone around you get it.

You're going to see them pay the price for what you're doing.

And that's how they come.

When we always say, like, why don't people stand up more?

Well, they're thinking about their families.

Yeah.

Look at Look at the Iranian soccer team.

Yeah.

They all sang the national anthem.

You know why?

Because their families

were threatened.

Absolutely.

Threatened by the Iranians.

And I got news for you when they get home.

God only knows.

Oh, God help them.

God help them.

You remember what happened to the soccer team with,

where was it?

Saddam Hussein?

Yeah, Iraq, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think he killed them all, didn't he?

Or he killed a lot of them.

Some of them, yeah.

By the way, German police are now raiding anyone who is a suspect on online hate speech.

So we got that going for us.

We have Senator Whitehouse.

This is the Democrat from Rhode Island.

He's a senator.

He's trying his best to make sure that those 87,000 new IRS agents are, you know, put them into work

because

he has now, we have, through FOIA requests,

his letters to the IRS

saying that

they need to pull the

501 status from all kinds of conservative outlets or anyone who is not obeying the mask policy.

Charlie Kirk's organization was one of them.

He specifically said they need to have their 501 revoked.

He was trying to make what happened with Lois Lerner into an industry.

Remember, Lois Lerner, she was the one who was just a low-level person, and she decided to take it on her own and

hold back those 501c3 statuses for tea party.

Okay.

And she went free because she, I mean, everything happened to be erased, you know, on her server.

When that happens, that's the worst luck.

Yeah.

Well, so he is, he's actually

in FOIA

letters, he's actually sending them names and saying, this person should be targeted.

This organization should be targeted to the IRS.

That's a senator that is doing that.

I mean, these guys are going to be remembered at Joseph McCarthy at some point.

Also, while we're here, Twitter,

yesterday, they confirmed, Elon Musk confirmed,

that, you know, everybody who, I don't know, is alive could figure out that Twitter is

affecting elections.

And he is going to release all of the information about how Twitter affected the elections.

Yeah, I was reading this story today, and it made me think, because we've joked and commented on

why does the left hate Elon Musk so much all of a sudden?

Legitimately, here's a guy who's done more for what their view of global warming is than anybody else.

Than anyone else.

And global warming, they say, is the greatest existential threat to humanity.

Why on earth would they vilify this guy?

Because they know that global warming is not the threat.

First of all, it shows exactly how they feel about global warming in reality.

The same thing revealed when we talk about nuclear power.

They don't actually believe any of this.

It's got nothing to do.

It's got nothing to do with

the points that they're actually making.

It's all about power.

But beyond that they know with elon musk in with access to everything that's gone on at twitter which he apparently now has they know what they're going to look like they have to turn the country against elon musk before this information comes out i i don't know why he's waiting to put this out but

i'm sure it takes time to gather he's only run the he's also got a company he's also got like eight companies to run he's got a he's got a company that's tunneling under the earth and releasing flamethrowers and putting chips in your brain and going to space.

He's got a lot of business.

He's a little busy.

By the way, did you hear the Neurolink thing?

It's in human testing now.

Yeah.

This is

Kang.

I know, if you're a longtime listener, I know 20 years ago you thought I was just a babbling madman when I would talk to you about the singularity and talk to you about what tech was going to be like.

10 years ago, same thing.

Five years ago, maybe you started going, I don't know.

I mean, I guess people are talking about it.

Two years ago, same thing.

You need to understand the singularity because it's on our doorstep.

And that is

through Elon Musk and Neuralink.

It's going to be heralded as a great thing.

And believe me, as a father of a daughter who has had strokes, this would change her.

It would make her probably

whole because the problem with strokes is the pathways for information.

If you think of the brain as a roadmap, there are bridges that are out.

And so it takes longer for information to go from one place to another.

And sometimes it can't get there at all.

What Neuralink promises to do is to

is to bridge from one part of the brain to the other part of the brain electronically.

So that

it's incredible.

It's absolutely incredible.

And it has the potential to be a miracle if it were to be.

It's a miracle.

People, if you had a stroke, you could go back,

the promise, or the hope is, back to where you were

before the stroke.

I mean,

that's a miracle.

However, it also will connect to the internet.

And it is Elon Musk's way of saying, we've got to come up with something fast and cheap because this is what the left is going to do and people want to control.

And there's got to be something out there that will be a good version of this, where if you want to learn Spanish, you just download it.

I mean, it's very matrix.

It's here.

Don't dismiss this.

It's here.

Is Neuralink the same as an AI?

Because

he's the beginning.

Yeah.

It's the beginning.

No, but...

Neuralink's is more like health-type reasons, isn't it?

No, it's to digitize the brain for health reasons.

Okay.

But that's step one.

The other steps, as it goes, links you to the internet

so you can download and upload information.

And remember, it's a pipe in your head.

This is when the

This is when the Economic Forum says,

yes,

we've lost some privacy.

People know what I'm doing, know where I am, know what I'm thinking, even what I'm dreaming.

But it's all worth it.

Okay.

That's what they mean.

Because you will be able, the government or these institutions or whatever will be able to go into your head.

and know what you're thinking because you're using the backbone of the internet to think and research.

And it can go into your head and retrieve dreams.

It's extraordinarily dangerous.

And think of the targeted advertising uses for this.

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So, I want to talk to you a little bit about this rail strike, and I don't know about you, but

I mean, I'm not passionate about

either side.

However, however, I do think...

I'm worried about the consequences of it.

Yeah, well, I'm also, I think I'm actually, if it is as it's presented, which I don't believe anything anymore, but if it is as it's presented, these train companies can't let their employees have a few extra days for sick leave.

Yeah, I'm sure it's more complicated than that.

I'm sure it is too.

That is the story from the media though.

Correct.

Oh, I just don't want him to have a sick day.

They interviewed a guy who was like, oh, I'm at home with the flu and I have to use vacation time.

And it's like, all right, like, obviously, like, that shouldn't be the way it is.

Is that the only issue, though, really?

So, anyway, so I'm not passionate about it because I don't believe either side.

However, a couple of things.

One, the media

said Joe Biden solved this right before the election.

Yeah, so he got all the election benefits, pre-election benefits of solving this crisis.

And then we found out later, oh, well, yeah, no, that wasn't real.

We actually knew.

Everybody in the media knew, but only sources like us said.

He didn't solve it.

He just passed the buck, and it'll happen in December.

The other thing that is

quite concerning on this is Mr.

Most

biggest union

supporter of any president in the history of the United States, he also bails out the railroads all the time.

Okay, so government money is going to the business of railroad as well.

He can't get a few sick days.

This guy is toothless.

He's absolutely incompetent.

Or something else is going on.

Yeah.

And the media, again, the biggest problem because you don't know what a rail strike would do to you and the country

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So, Stu, there are two stories that I barely understand.

Let me start with the one that I really am a little foggy on.

For any mammal, the loss of the Y chromosome should mean the loss of males and the demise of the species.

However, the Amami spiny rat manages without a Y chromosome and

has puzzled biologists for decades.

Now, a Japanese scientist and her colleagues have shown that one of the rat's normal chromosomes effectively evolved into a new male sex chromosome.

Now, I hate to get all science-y because I don't know how these rats identify.

I don't know any of their pronouns or anything else.

So, the reason why

this is

important is because

the Y chromosome seems to be

getting weaker and weaker.

And

in a lot of mammals, including man.

And once you lose the why,

then what happens?

You've only got females,

end of the species.

So that's why they're looking into this, because they believe that we are headed for the same kind of thing.

End of the species.

Yeah.

I mean, I guess think of just all the car accidents.

Where we just wiped out the driver.

Only women drivers?

It would be crazy.

Oh, my gosh.

And women presidents and CEOs.

Oh, gosh, just shut the thing down.

Lord, please come now.

Anyway.

So

stupid.

That was largely just to piss off Sarah in the other room.

Oh, it is.

Largely.

100%.

And, of course, the fact that it's true.

Right.

So the next story is.

A quantum computer has

simulated a wormhole for the first time.

Now, do you know what a wormhole is?

It's a space thing.

It's like a science-y space thing.

Okay, so it's like you take a piece of paper and you fold it in half, then you, I think, fold it again.

Okay.

And you put a little hole in it.

Okay.

You would see that there would be two holes in the piece of paper.

If you open it up, it's like a mask.

Okay.

With your eye holes.

In fact, it's almost the perfect mask.

Okay.

So, and probably Fauci would have me wear this.

Anyway,

so a wormhole is a way to collapse the distance in between those two holes, okay, in space.

And then they are right, you go through one hole and you're right there because they're next to each other.

Right, instantly, yeah.

If space is folding, okay.

So that's the idea of a wormhole.

You could travel great distances through that quickly.

So this has just been a theory.

Scientists with a quantum computer have just simulated a wormhole for the very first time.

Now, it gets very complex because they say it was a holographic, but it's not exactly a holograph.

They just simplified

things by taking gravity out of the equation, which gets into Einstein and theory of relativity.

So they had to have something that would take gravity out and see if they could simulate this.

Well, they did.

And what this means is you could have without any wires, cables, Wi-Fi,

nothing,

you can take something digitally

and send it from, let's say, my desk to a desk in London, and it would exist in both places.

And you could close one of the doors and it would either come back to me and only be here, or I could close my door and it would be in London.

They just did this.

This changes

everything.

This changes everything.

This is, you remember Einstein when he was, they talked to him about quantum physics, he said, God doesn't play dice, meaning there is no super,

there's no super position.

of

a molecule or a, I don't even know, of a qubit, they're now called.

it can't be both positive and negative it can't be both one and a zero but quantum says yes it can that led him to say God doesn't play dice

it it doesn't work that way

remember the theory of relativity is only a theory it's the best theory we have on how things work Quantum comes up and says, I don't think the basic soup,

I don't think it really goes with any of those physics.

I think it breaks down at some point and starts behaving completely illogically.

This shows that Einstein may have been wrong.

Maybe God is playing dice.

The things that we have on the horizon are so groundbreaking, and just quantum computing,

all of this stuff, will change life in ways

it's like we're standing in the 1200s and trying to imagine today.

But it's going to happen in the next 50 years.

Do we have any idea where this would end up?

Like,

what would be the end game of this type of technology if it weren't?

The biggest thing with quantum computing is

you will probably solve cancer in a week.

You will solve these problems that cannot be solved because it can model a million different things all at the same time.

So you remember

Edison said, you know,

I didn't fail a thousand times.

I found a thousand ways the light bulb doesn't work.

That will, you'll only fail, you'll fail and succeed one time because you'll try all of the combinations all at once.

And you'll have the answer.

It feels like there are so many things right now on the fringes of science, like where we are really

where scientists are

playing, right?

They're at the very edges of understanding where they can go, but see the path forward.

You know, some of these problems, like this one, are just beginning to be solved.

And there's so many different directions, whether it's, you know, we talked about the singularity or whether it's quantum computing or all sorts of different technologies that it feels like one of of these is going to hit in a way that totally changes the world almost immediately.

But in a way, let's look at the telephone for a minute.

Put yourself back at Alexander Graham Bell's time.

Alexander Graham Bell comes up with it, and people think, oh, this is great.

Look at this.

But nobody's going to have a telephone for a long time.

Yeah, they say about everything.

Yeah.

And they think, oh, well,

right.

I'll just go to, you know, the town square that will have a telephone and I'll be able to call, you know, Washington if I needed to talk to the president because there was an emergency.

They were thinking like that.

They would have never thought, think of the phone today.

It's no longer cordless.

I mean, it's no longer corded.

Right.

It doesn't work with

wires.

It doesn't, it's a television.

It's a camera.

I mean, it's no longer really even for phone conversations.

Right.

And that's, I think, a really interesting example of how this goes.

You think about the singularity for a second, right?

Singularity being eventually we merge with Tell me if this is a terrible description, but my very terrible understanding of it.

Eventually, we merge with computers where we are able to access information instantly because we have maybe a chip in our head or whatever that has a

right.

And we also have nanobot technology in our bloodstream that is keeping you alive.

You don't have to take medicine anymore.

The nanobots are programmed to take care of your body and it repairs itself through technology, which is connected to ai a giant machine outside of your body right so you're one with ai you're one with machines you're you're a hybrid person who is that's the singularity that's the singularity so if you think about let's just say for information purposes you want to get an answer about something in in this world of the singularity you want to you know know who was uh you know the the president of france in 2004 right

you it would instantly you'd be able to access that information instantly inside your brain, basically.

Yeah.

Right now, you have to go to Google, open up Google, and type in your question.

Right.

The singularity, the way it would be imagined to be used at its highest level, would,

oh, who was the president of France?

Oh, it was so-and-so.

Right.

The minute you think it, the answer is there.

Right.

Because you're connected to

everything.

But in a way, what you're describing is essentially the same process, just faster.

Right.

Yes.

You are, right now, we have crossed a line to the point where when we used to do, when we talked about this on radio terms before,

radio used to be really fun because what you'd be able to do is come on the air and you'd say,

what was that movie with Corey Hame?

Remember this?

He was a guy and

he would go, do you remember?

There's two Coreys in it.

What was that movie?

And then people would call in.

They'd say, oh, it was Goonies.

No, no, it wasn't Goonies.

It was, you go through this whole thing.

And you could do hours on this.

And people would reminisce about these memories and think about these things and try to figure them out.

And now that's all dead because everyone just goes, Corey Hayme types it in and looks at his IMDb page and knows the answer in five seconds, right?

Correct.

And so we...

Wait, wait, wait, before you move on from there.

What has that also done to our memory?

Right.

Terrible.

It's worse.

You don't even think about I have to store that or I remember what's his name?

Oh, I remember we were sitting in a room and it was so-and-so that said

you don't do that.

So your memory is weakened.

I see it with my kids.

When they want answers from things, they're like,

who's, you know,

what was the score of the, they just ask elect the person, the dumb device that I won't screw all the people by saying the name.

But they'll ask the device, you know, without trying to think about it for an hour.

They just know the answers there and that's the same concept of what the singularity could theoretically become right so we so imagine imagine if you're going to Italy and you want translation you'll be able to understand them instantly because it'll be there the translator will be inside of you you'll probably butcher it because it requires your physical use of your mouth but it will you will know how that is supposed to be said and you'll say it

but once that information is gone, you can't communicate in that language anymore.

If you're cut off,

you know, there's no memory of it.

There's memory that you did it, but there's no memory, there's no muscle memory, there's nothing.

And this gets to the point that, you know, think about being de-platformed now.

What does that mean?

Oh, I lose my Twitter account.

What does it mean if the singularity exists and you're de-platformed from all of this knowledge that everyone else can access immediately?

I know Ray Kurzweil said that would never happen.

That would never happen.

That would never happen.

So, okay.

Why would we do that?

That's a totally different road.

But when we think about the innovations that happen when these things kick in, we could talk about Alexander Graham Bell, but go back just a decade, right?

Go back to 2008, right?

Before the iPhone.

Before the iPhone.

We've gone from literally no one having these things, or maybe just for occasional phone calls, to the era where everyone expects to have, is on these things five, six hours a day.

That is the merging of man and machine.

It's already happening.

On the air, I said to you in the 90s that networks and watching shows is, it's not going to be Thursday night at 8 o'clock.

It'll just, you just will log on and download it and you'll have all the episodes that you want.

And that seemed completely insane.

Insane in the 90s.

Yeah.

And here we are.

We all now expect to watch TV and really put very little thought into what it means or how.

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Okay, so we've changed now the way we live over the past decade, basically.

12 years.

14 years.

Yeah.

To where you can't live without a phone.

Smartphones, right?

It's almost impossible.

People basically don't do it.

And

what we found, and the research is coming out now.

What we found, what has happened in this period, is that people are spending much

less time with each other.

With each other, with their friends.

Much less.

The last study came out, and

I thought this to be an incredible number, that just over, you know,

people had sort of slowly, maybe the time they were spending with their friends had dropped off a little bit before iPhones and such.

But since then,

the number is 10 hours a week less with friends.

10 hours a week.

I think it's weak.

I think it's more more than that with teenagers.

I bet it is.

I bet it's teenagers.

They don't even, they don't want to hang out with each other.

They sit next to each other and are on the phone texting one another.

Yeah.

They don't, I mean, even they're even alone when they're together.

Right, right.

Even when they're spending time together, they're on their phones half the time.

And it's like, you take that, that's a massive change.

It had been consistent for like a century in this data, going back, you know, decades and decades and decades.

People basically spent about the same amount of time with their friends over an incredible amount of time.

And then all of a sudden, like a decade ago, it just starts tanking.

And what does that do to society?

People are alone.

They are lonely.

Depressed.

They have less of a connection with their fellow man.

They are depressed and all suicidal much more often.

See, this is the problem that

we have not had.

And this, I mean, Stu, how long have I said this?

We have to have philosophical discussions now.

I've been saying that for 10,

years.

Now,

because it's going to, there's going to come a time.

Remember when they said, when Ronald Reagan said, there's going to come a time when there's no good options on the table and we're going to be in debt and they'll start to inflate the money and it'll be over.

Got to take care of it now.

I'm telling you, within five years, if we don't have these intellectual, philosophical conversations, we're screwed.

We're screwed because the things that are on the horizon will force you to redefine what life is or stick with what you know today,

which will be outdated and dusty.

The basic questions of life itself and humanity and decency and what is a slave, what is free choice, free choice by 2030,

not as a concept, but as a realistic

fact of life, that you still make your decisions.

Okay.

Even, you know, the way I go into prison and what I'm thinking and feeling, they'll never take that away.

That will be gone by 2030.

We better look ahead and say, which way do we want to go?

Because right now we're having giant corporations that are only in it for the money, governments who are only in it for power, laying this road right in front of us.

And we're all like, Yeah, that's great.

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Yeah, I know.

Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

So glad that you're here.

I'm doing a podcast today that is going to be a don't miss.

There has been a spike in the number.

You know, Stu, you were just talking about all these things are changing, and we are not discussing

the change.

We're just accepting it.

And then we see the changes in our family.

We see depression go up and we know what's causing loneliness, depression, comparing themselves to others.

We know what it is,

but very few are willing to say, get it out of the house.

Yeah.

There is very few.

I don't know of anything like that.

Maybe television, but television was not nearly as destructive as this.

Would you agree with that?

I 100% agree with that.

100% agree.

And for some reason, even the zealots against this stuff, I'm not a technophobe.

No.

I'm not a Luddite.

I believe in all of this stuff, and I believe it can be used as good, but it has been spun so far out of control that it's destroying us.

It's destroying us.

And nobody's really having that conversation in a logical way.

Yeah, and we should also point out, especially for young people, one of the main things hitting them, not is not just the phone, but what's on it that comes directly from the Chinese Communist Party, by the way.

Right.

But also the things like there is a reason why

five years ago, 15,000 children between the ages of six and 17 were diagnosed with gender dysphoria.

Last year, there were 42,000.

And those are just the ones that have been officially diagnosed.

Okay, so five years ago, 15,000, now 42,000.

20% of the population of millennials is now identifying as other.

So they're either gay, binary,

you know,

furry or whatever.

Okay.

20, 20.

A pup handler who actually works in the White House.

But anyway,

you have 20%

of the next generation.

What's causing that?

Right.

Obviously,

right, exactly.

What is causing it?

Because it's not that suddenly all these people have

changed.

It's obviously outside influence.

I mean, people call it social contagion.

There's a bunch of different ways you can look at it, but it certainly has

it's moving so quickly and so ridiculously that it's obviously has to do with technology and the things surrounding the influences that brings into your kids' life.

So, my youngest daughter had a conversation with me, and this is the reason I'm doing this podcast.

Um, I'm personally doing it, I think it's fascinating for everybody, but I'm personally doing it because I want to understand

uh compassionate care.

We brought in

a woman

who

considered herself to be transgendered.

And she went through surgery and everything else, had her breasts removed, everything.

Now she's 18 and she's like, good heavens, what have I done?

What have I done?

She wants to be a woman, but she can't.

She can't go back.

And

this is happening a lot.

She was fine.

She gets an iPhone, I think, at

11 years old.

Within a couple of years, she's transgender.

She's convinced of it, that she's in the wrong body.

She's a man.

They let our society

is pushing this.

And

the doctors are pushing for the surgery, mutilation of people.

Last night, underage, last night she flew into town.

One of our bookers, Sarah, who, God bless her for all the work she does,

it's like 11.30 at night.

She's called.

She has to find another hotel

because this hotel won't let

him, her

in.

Why?

Hatred, right?

Right?

Hatred that we won't allow your kind.

It is Texas after all.

Yeah.

No,

it's that this hotel chain has a policy that until you're 21, you can't book a hotel room.

You're not adult enough to stay in a hotel room by yourself.

You have to be at least 21.

So

the girl who could become a boy and have dramatic, traumatic surgery

couldn't stay at that hotel

we had to find a hotel that would allow her to stay incredible you can't rent a car you can't

you can't uh you can't drink you can't uh you can't do any of these things but you are allowed to have surgery that's irreversible that will i mean as she i believe is going to attest to

just hurting and destroying your life oh she is

I mean, that's absolutely incomprehensible.

So much sympathy for her.

So, this conversation I had with my daughter,

and this is my 16-year-old, and brainwashed.

I mean, this happened in my family.

And so, you know, in my family, I mean, you've been around, we A, joke really hard with each other.

Yeah.

Um, and there are, there are no limits in our own family.

There's no limits on jokes.

We just go for it.

Oh, yeah, that's definitely true.

Um, yeah.

And, uh,

and we also talk about everything.

And so they're very well aware.

And my daughter said,

Dad,

she's a he.

And I said, no,

she claims to be a he, but she's not a he.

And we were talking about somebody young.

Okay.

And I said, you can't just.

Call yourself something and become it.

And there is science involved.

Remember, follow the science.

This is science.

A woman can have a baby.

A man cannot.

A man who claims he's a woman cannot have a baby.

A woman who claims she's a man can have a baby.

Okay?

But just because you claim doesn't make you that thing.

And she said, and I don't mean that thing like, you know, that thing.

I mean that whatever it is you're claiming.

I'm a bear, I'm a deer, I'm a shoehorn.

It doesn't make you that.

Okay.

And she said,

where is your compassion?

And I said, where is my compassion?

What do you, what do you, what are you talking about?

Where is my compassion?

What are you talking about?

Is she needling you here?

No, she was sincere.

She's really...

a sensitive soul and she feels people's pain.

It's a great quality, but she needs to be,

she's not at the point yet to where

she can separate compassion

from reality and making sure that you're compassionate and you're still doing the right thing that's good for the individual and society.

Yeah, truth, you know, doesn't always have empathy.

It doesn't mean you can't have empathy as well.

That's what I said.

But you still need to acknowledge the truth.

We talked about, and that's why I brought up the science part.

I said, honey, the truth might be cold.

Science is cold.

Empathy is so warm.

But there comes a time when you have to mix the two

and you have to find your way.

Where is that edge?

So, one of the things I want to ask for her:

was this compassionate care when you were 14 years, 15 years old?

Yeah, affirming care.

Glad.

Yeah.

Was this affirming care?

And

what would compassionate care look like?

What do you wish

that somebody would have stood up and went, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

Or yes, yes, yes, or whatever.

What

should people have done?

What would have made a difference?

Because, I mean, obviously treating people terribly is not going to work.

Calling them names is not going to work.

No.

Nothing works unless you...

And this is what I really, I really dislike

from some Christians.

Some Christians are like,

okay, here's what we're going to do.

We're going to go meet that person and,

you know, let's talk to them, befriend them, and then they'll come to Christ.

What?

Stop.

I mean, you said that in a scary voice.

I mean, the idea of befriending someone and bringing them together.

Befriending someone

is different.

Befriending someone is different.

You can't say it's an illicit way.

Well, yeah, you don't want to,

my goal is to bring you to Christ, so I'll be your friend.

No, I'll be be your friend, and maybe

you'll see that your life is, has all kinds of problems that my faith solves can help, right?

It can help

a friendship.

It's not like you, it's

like saying, I want to be friends with you because I've got a new multi-level marketing berry scheme where I want to send you some berry juice.

And if I choose not to become, you know, a berry juice

salesman, then I'm no longer your friend.

Right.

That's that's the problem.

Right, right.

Um, so, but if you love the person,

and, you know, I just had this realization.

My family is just way under attack right now.

And

I told my son a couple of weeks ago.

You know the problem with children?

And he was like, no.

And I said the problem with children is as a parent you can never stop loving them

and he went what and i said you'll understand someday and he and he will yeah and he will you no matter what you cannot stop loving them you can try but you really love your i mean maybe they're a murderer but you really and they murdered your wife and you loved her There's a lot of caveats here, but

you just don't stop loving your children.

You might be pissed at them.

You might be angry.

You might be really like, I don't want to see you right now, but you will always love them.

And

that's how God works.

God works and C stands there and he's just like, don't do that.

Don't do that.

No, no, no.

When you do that, this consequence is going to come from that.

And then you do it.

And he's like, shouldn't have done that.

And he's not mad at you.

He hurts for you.

Why would you do that?

This is only going to cause you so many more.

Stop making the same decision.

No, no, stop making that decision.

No, it's going to hurt more.

Stop making that decision.

Okay.

All right.

And once you get it, he's there and loves you.

That's how we need to be with everybody.

Okay, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, no, no, don't, don't do that.

Really, it's not that hard.

It's really, it's, it's pretty easy if you just, no, okay, don't, okay, you just did that.

All right, okay.

Yeah, and it's about two, what works, right?

Like, what, what can make a situation like you're talking about, a teenager that goes through some sort of social media conversion to be, you know, to believe that they're transgender and goes through terrible, painful, you know, surgeries and all these things.

How do you, how do you stop that from happening?

It's like the fetus truck people.

You know, every time, every year at the Super Bowl, the fetus truck drives by and it drives by and it's got a bunch of giant pictures of fetuses that have been

worked, disemboweled on the side.

And it's like, it looks awful.

And I recognize that that's part of why abortion is bad, but it doesn't change minds.

It's just people go, oh, look at that jerk in the fetus truck.

Rafe and I went to a Cowboys game, okay, just a couple of weeks ago.

And this guy was standing in front of the stadium with a big, you know, speaker and microphone.

And he was like,

You don't turn to Christ right now, you're going to hell.

You will burn in the fires of hell.

And I said that.

It means all the time.

Wow, I really want to go to church right now, don't you?

I mean, it doesn't work.

It doesn't work.

You have to love people

and have compassion for them and then just quietly state the truth.

Yeah.

I'm not going to go there.

This is going to hurt if you do this.

I don't do this.

A lot of times people think, well, if I'm yelling with the microphone off of the fetus truck, like

in some ways, because you feel

so justified in a correct position here, that it feels good for you.

And a lot of times you're doing those things because it feels good to you to be able to be on the right side of this issue.

If your goal is actually to help other people recognize what might be very, very true in these important circumstances, you have to think about approach.

Just being a badass and coming out and saying the most difficult things and screaming at people in their faces isn't always the best solution.

Okay.

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We're just playing this music because

I really want to hack the mullahs off by playing Christmas music

and then

talking about

the team from Iran and their families.

And

I wonder if we'll ever find out what happened to them when they got home.

Can you imagine going back home knowing that

you were defeated by the great Satan and you know

in the eyes of the authorities,

and

you didn't want to mess up at all because your family was under threat of you better sing the national anthem and be patriotic, otherwise we torture your family.

Oh my gosh.

I can't imagine it.

I also think

for that reason, we should have thrown the match and let Iran win.

And

I have to tell you, it was...

Because I don't care about soccer, and so I don't have any negative consequences from that at all.

I tell you, I followed that.

It was great to just tie with the Brits.

I loved a risky 0-0 tie.

I know, I know.

I didn't describe it.

I didn't watch it, but it kind of felt good that, you know, here we are, the losers of soccer in the world.

We're like, oh, yeah.

Oh, you tied.

Oh, you lost to us.

I mean, it's not exactly, you know, the miracle on the ice.

No.

But, I mean, it was maybe the miracle on the way to the mailbox.

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