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So, all right.

So, here's what we

here's a recap for what we know kind of so far.

This is the things that have been reported, and I'm not sure we're sure of all of this.

May 2022, Paul Pelosi was in a DUI car crash.

The passenger airbag goes off,

even though he was alone.

We don't know why.

I don't know if that's usual.

He pleads guilty on the 23rd of August.

On the 24th, there was some random schizo posting that started on a blog that had been dormant for 15 years.

On September 8th, the, I think it's Friendly Friends site is registered in the name of DePappe.

He's a hippie, but we'll get into that in a minute.

On September 8th, the site is registered in his name.

However, there are no posts.

On October 24th, loads of posts are made on the website.

While posted in October, they're titled February to make it seem like they were much older.

Then on October 28th, four days later at 2.27 a.m., the police arrived at the Pelosi residence for a welfare check.

Now,

this is what they said at first.

Someone opened the door.

A third person opened the door for the police.

However, they have said, no, that was a mistake.

There was no other person in the house except those two.

The glass door is also busted.

It appears to be busted from the inside.

I mean, I watched enough Colombo.

Excuse me, sir.

One more thing.

Wouldn't the glass be on the inside of the door and not the outside of the door?

But we don't know what kind of glass it was.

We have no idea.

Pelosi and DePape are

inside in their underwear.

Now, this too has been changed.

Nobody was in their underwear.

Now, I would ex I would exp- I mean, DePape, I I mean, Pelosi,

he's, what, 85?

It's 2 o'clock in the morning.

I'd expect him to be in his jammies or his underpants.

You know, that's not an

Pape in his underpants is a little weird.

But now, police say nobody in their underpants.

I think if you saw either one of those two in your underpants,

you would be very clear

for the rest of your life.

Yes.

Pelosi has a hammer, and when the police arrive, DePape manages to take the hammer from Pelosi and bashes his head multiple times.

All of that happens while the police are there.

So while pulping Paul Pelosi, DePape repeatedly says, where's Nancy?

Where's Nancy?

Police take him into custody.

Media and the Democrats immediately point to the Schizo blog and say, he's a far-right terrorist.

Street view images from DePape's home show BLM signs and a Bernie sign.

The home is referred to by a neighbor as a hippie collective.

In fact, we have audio from a neighbor who

is quite clear

on

who this guy was.

Cut one.

Our vehicle was out of commission.

I was walking past and Gypsy's son was with a small little girl, and he was on the bus.

And the little girl and Gypsy's son.

Stop for a second, please.

We're going to take this piece by piece.

His little girl, I'm sorry, his little boy, who was dressed as a girl, was on the bus.

I just want to just keep track of all of the things that you're like, oh, you're clearly, clearly a conservative.

All right, go ahead.

And the little girl and Gypsy's son were walking away away from the bus and the guy remained on the bus.

And that's when I recognized his face.

That's the only time I ever saw his face was within like the last month or so.

Or a couple weeks.

Do you know

how long he stayed during that a couple months ago?

No.

No, we try to just avoid them at all costs.

Okay.

Until they, you know, bother us.

Okay, but so the last time you saw him was a couple weeks ago.

Yeah.

And he was here for a few days?

Yes.

Okay.

Anything strange about him or anything that stood up?

There's something strange about the whole household.

The entire household is very, very strange.

How about him?

He is birds of a feather

akin to them.

So they are just,

you know, nudist drug abusers, and that's who gravitates toward them.

Okay, stop for a second.

How many times, Stu, at the GOP meetings have you been to where it's attended by all those nudists, drug users?

Well, no, CPAC has that part of the

nudist.

The new drug user part.

Yeah.

Big part of their.

yeah it's trouble when they get those two together right they're usually right near each other but they do try to keep them separate and these are the these these are usually the people that just to throw people off have a rainbow flag in the front yard and a BLM sign on their front window a lot of hardcore conservatives have that profile yeah you know they just

that's just the way it goes yep okay go ahead next

I'm sorry the children who live there seem to be underage or under 18

I'm not sure how old they are

What do you say their politics are?

I'm not sure.

I would imagine that they're more left-leaning

because of their support for

the gay community

and for,

I'm sorry, for other people, but it is

now I'm not sure what way the children are.

Okay, stop for a second.

Look at how she is hesitating.

She's calculating, Tony.

She's calculating the whole time because of the the rainbow flag, okay, and the BLM sign.

So it becomes the gay community

and

others.

Right.

You should need to figure out how to say it.

You can't say it.

And by the way, I don't know what would you say her ethnicity is?

Oh,

I don't know.

White, Hispanic.

I mean, you wouldn't, you would, it doesn't look like

the typical white Karen that's next door upset about the left.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, talks about her partner.

And I think she says that pretty much everybody in the neighborhood is a lefty

so yes of course that's true yeah in san francisco all right because they have the flag the lgbt flag with the hot yeah but any signs of anti-semitism

you know they are completely unhinged so i wouldn't i wouldn't be surprised at all yeah uh it it they completely unhinged nothing

that they believe in aligns with their actions.

So they'll say that they are,

you know, pro-black lives, and then they'll call the police on black people.

And

so

they don't stand by, their actions don't stand by.

Just so you know,

they're not mutually exclusive.

You can actually think a black person is committing a crime and still be in favor of black lives.

But I think I get what she's going for.

It's like, Glenn,

George Soros is white.

Oh, crap.

I shouldn't forget whatever I said about George Soros.

And some psychotic behavior, too?

Yes.

Was that also illustrated when David was president, or was that time swing?

Yeah, it's never changed how they've acted.

David acted the same way?

From what I saw of him,

he's never approached me or my partner at all,

but I've just seen him helping out around the house with like yard work, and then I saw him living on the bus.

I've never even heard him speak.

Did you know his name or you just were recognizing his name?

I didn't recognize his name, but I also don't know the name of the kids either.

Okay, you just recognize this picture from today.

Yeah.

Okay, so that's who the neighbor

says he is.

Now, there's a few questions that have to be answered here.

How did he get into the house?

How did he get in the house?

Did he get in the house through the back door and did he break it?

And is that what Paul first heard?

Is this a failure of the Capitol Police?

Remember, she's under Capitol Police protection,

which

because she's third in line for the presidency, God help us all.

Can you imagine how bad the country would be if we have Joe Biden and then it would go to

Kamala and then she gets sick and dies and we have Nancy Pelo.

Dewey even survive that?

Anyway,

because she's third in line, she has not only Capitol Police, but she has increased Secret Service.

Do you remember when we were at George H.W.

Bush's house?

Okay.

And remember they had the

sensors on the ground.

They could tell where feet were.

It was like a little mini

earthquake detector almost.

They positioned them all through the yard so they could see and or they could hear and see

where people were on the grounds.

She apparently has that.

If she doesn't, then somebody told them not to have that.

But that's the kind of security that number three position has.

So we know because there's we've seen photos this weekend of video cameras.

These are high tech.

This is government.

This isn't like local security.

Then like, you know what?

I'm just going door to door selling burglar alarms.

This was done by the government.

So let's see the tapes.

Let's see the tapes.

How did the guy get in?

Why have we not seen those tapes?

Why haven't we, why don't we see the

vest cameras from the police?

It's only been a couple of days.

That would be no snow there, right?

I know that.

But it's, here's what bothers me.

The security.

Yeah.

No, because you mentioned this is not just some like, you know, private security.

Well, there's been reports that they also had that, that the neighborhood came together to pay for a group security for this area because they're also rich and they live in a town where crime is rampant because of their policies.

So they've paid for private security to help assist in this area just in case.

They don't patrol it all the time.

So if that's true, and there's been multiple reports to that effect.

So this guy somehow evaded private security and whatever security measures the government put in to get in.

It's a very strange story.

Why did big tech take down DePape's

alleged social accounts?

This is a really frustrating part of this.

Yeah.

Because we, look, I, of course, every media source is trying to say this is some right-wing extremist, which does not fit the profile at all.

But like, we can't check any of their reporting.

Yeah.

They pull this down every time.

And I get why they do it with certain people, like a mass shooter that might have a manifesto that they don't want to inspire, copycats, or whatever.

But this is not that case.

No.

Why wouldn't we be able to see all of his postings?

This would be important.

Yeah,

it's really weird.

It's really strange.

He is,

he apparently is far-right.

And

this is what the LA Times

is telling us: that he's a far-right

guy that is a fan of Glenn Beck.

And

Daily Wire.

Yeah.

I mean, thank you for that.

I'm just trying to go through.

Now, let me just go back to who he is.

Now, know that he is

supposedly a fan of mine.

Okay.

He was a nudist.

I can see all the nudists just loving this program.

He was a hippie.

Love it.

He was a San Francisco.

Love it.

Black Lives Matter supporter.

Love it.

QAnon supporter.

Hmm.

You don't get a lot of QAnon news from this program, do you?

No, you do not.

No, no.

He also apparently loved Pizzagate.

You mean the thing that I said from the beginning was nonsense?

Really?

That thing?

He was also, and I mean, if you listen to this program, you can see why he was a fan.

He hated Jews.

Now...

That's weird that he'd be a fan of the person who won the Defender of Israel Award.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It'd be really strange because...

Weird coincidence.

Yeah.

I've been talking about anti-Semitism on the Rise for 20 years.

That'd be really weird for him to be.

A big fan of the show.

A big fan of the show.

Maybe he just was inspired, just really liked your big event you had in Israel about the defense.

Maybe that's what it was and the importance of God.

He also said

that equity was a dog whistle for the genocide of the white race.

Okay.

That's something that we also took on here recently and said that's ridiculous.

It's absolutely ridiculous.

Equity is a...

is a BS social justice sort of sort of term, and we have pointed out issues with it.

But the genocide, not a lot of airtime for the genocide of the white race, Ryan.

Right.

So you can see we had a lot in common.

I can see why he was a fan of this program.

That doesn't really make sense now, does it?

No, and it would be nice to be able to check the work of the media because we know they would not tell us the truth if something else was going on.

Yeah.

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So what are your thoughts on the Nancy Pelosi

shooting?

I think there's...

Wait, what story?

Are you breaking a new one?

No, no, no, no.

The Nancy Pelosi's husband being hammered.

I can't you say that either.

That's a whole different story.

That's a whole month earlier.

The debacle that happened at the Pelosi compound.

Yeah, well, that's right-wing kooks for you, isn't it?

That's what they do.

That's what they do.

White supremacists and

MAGA Republicans.

That's what they do.

Mega MAGA?

Mega MAGA Republicans who are incredibly violent.

I think we're going to find,

I think there's there's some other things going on.

I mean, the guy, when you go to his house, Michael Schellenberger did a really good article on this.

He's joining us, by the way, in half an hour, yeah.

Oh, yeah, it's really good.

I mean, go to his house and take a look around, and then tell me the guy's a right-wing MAGA Republican.

Right.

He's living in a lot of people.

Black Lives Matter.

He's living in a bus.

He's practically homeless.

He's, he's, not that you can't be a MAGA Republican and be homeless.

I just don't know that many.

But

do you know a lot of homeless people?

A few.

A few.

Do you?

Yeah.

Huh.

Have you offered them maybe some help, a handful?

Yeah, a sandwich, but then I got fined for it.

You can't feed them.

All right,

unless the

city

homeless.

But then the LGBT rainbow flag is another telltale sign of MAGA Republicanism.

The BLM sign?

The BLM sign, all of that.

Well, and the hemp bracelet making that he made.

How many hemp bracelets have you made?

Right.

Between the necklaces and the hemp bracelets.

And the fact that he was,

I don't know if it was a traditional marriage, but married to the other girl

who had a nude wedding in San Francisco City Hall.

Yeah, there does seem to be some nudism going on here.

And

she also

got her older son to try to deliver love letters to this underage boy that she wanted to escape with.

I mean, if it's not the moral majority, I don't know what the moral majority is.

It's like I listened to, I can't even tell you how many,

you know, mainstream media podcasts this weekend to try to get, to try to understand the narrative and what they were telling us and what was true.

Cause I want, I'd like to know.

We have to know.

We have to know.

And

if the viewpoint is that this person was a left-wing hippie nudist for many, many years who over the recent future went through some sort of transformation and became a right-wing figure.

I don't blame the Democrats.

I don't blame the Democrats.

I don't blame the Republicans for that.

But I do blame the media because every single one of these stories went through the recent posting, including

this person followed Glenn Beck in the Daily Wire.

Jordan Peterson.

Yeah,

that is just

right-wing

people that he followed on his Facebook.

But just recently,

just recently.

To not include, though, his entire left-wing

Jesus is the Antichrist.

No, no, no.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Jesus.

Well, that's another thing.

You know, if you listen to this program, how anti-Jesus we are.

You can see why he's a fan.

But he also believed he was Jesus.

For it seems like over a year, he believed he was Jesus.

But like, how can if you are an honest media organization, and I know I wasn't listening to them, which is the problem here, but like, if you were honest, you would mention both, right?

You might mention, okay, look, he has some conspiracy theories on there.

He had anti-Semitism on there.

He had left-wing nudism stuff.

He had a BLM sign.

I mean, it's easy, I think, to come to the conclusion that this was not a story of political extremism.

It was a story of someone who did drugs for multiple decades and blew his mind up.

And was nuts.

He's nuts.

But here's the thing.

They're even saying, I don't remember which paper it was, one of the LA Times, New York Times, or The Post, but they're saying even if he was crazy, it's still that dangerous rhetoric that fed into his head.

Well, let me ask you this.

Did we ban Jodi Foster?

I mean, when Hinkley said, I just, I wanted to impress her because I love her and I watch all of her movies and I thought this would impress her and he tried to kill Ronald Reagan.

Was there one

peep of saying, this is Jodi Foster's?

We got to put pants and a big coat on that woman, make sure she looks very unattractive, or banner movies.

No.

No, there was no talk of that.

And of course, that would be the sane approach to a story like that.

Yes.

Just like, by the way, we did not blame Bernie Sanders for his own, his campaign volunteer trying to shoot 10% of all

elected Republicans in Washington, D.C.

By the way,

can I ask

why the concern here

about this guy and the guy who flew in, I think, from San Francisco to kill Kavanaugh?

Yeah.

Much more recently.

It was just like gone.

Yeah.

They didn't care.

Nobody cared about it.

They didn't even cover it.

Nobody cared.

Do we

do you know that the Sunday news programs that week didn't even cover the Kavanaugh story?

Didn't even cover it.

Didn't even cover it.

Didn't mention it.

My God.

Didn't cover it.

Now, of course, the difference here is: number one, they get to blame the other side.

And number two, we are eight days away from an election.

And they will do anything

to get these seats to go the right way.

So they will not report.

We are in the Hunter Biden window here.

We learn about the truth of Hunter Biden from the mainstream media approximately one year after it's relevant to an election and one year before it's relevant to an election.

As far away from an election as possible.

Well, now that we're a week, we are in full-fledged Hunter Biden, the Hunter-Biden window, where the media seems to have completely convinced themselves they can abandon all

appearance of journalism to try to win this election, to do anything they can to flip one or two seats here or there

in an area that might have gone red, make them go blue, anything we can do.

That's where they are right now.

So you really, the mainstream media never has

a sufficient bank of trust that we should all be believing exists.

But I will say, now you have to.

You can't believe anything they say.

You can't believe anything they say for the next week.

You can't.

I have to tell you,

they say, you know, all these crazy conspiracies.

What?

Like the one that Hillary Clinton is currently pushing about the 2024 election, saying that it's all going to be stolen by the Republicans?

They're all saying this.

That there is this giant cabal of MAGA people out there that just want to destroy the country, that we are against a democracy, which in a way we are.

We're for a republic, not a democracy.

But that's beside the point.

All of these things that they have been saying, Russiagate, all of this, Joe Biden is clean.

There's no, he's the cleanest, clean guy.

Fetterman is completely healthy and ready to serve.

This is incredible coming from these people.

And they wonder why conspiracy theories bubble up.

Well, because somebody thinks something's wrong.

And

let me use the left or the right doing something wrong that causes conspiracy theories.

The 9-11 Commission

excusing,

what was his name that came out with the underpass, Sandy Berger, who went into the National Archives.

Now,

think of this, with what we've just gone through with Donald Trump.

Sandy Berger goes in, asks for the presidential archives for George H.W.

Bush and Bill Clinton, opens them up.

It's about Saudi Arabia, something about relationships.

We don't really know any more than that.

Puts it in his underpants, leaves, goes across the street, destroys a few by the time the National Archives run out to catch him and get the rest of the, and he's only lo he only lost his security clearance for a year

you want to know why there's a conspiracy theory around 9-11

because you didn't explain that you didn't come clean and explain that and so people fill in the blanks when something doesn't make sense They try to make sense of it.

And anyone who is giving them lines of bullcrap and just doesn't say what we said earlier this morning, we don't know what happened, but here are some questions that need to be answered.

Those people are not furthering conspiracy theories.

Those people who ask questions are the ones that create the conspiracy, or the ones who create the conspiracy theory look at people like us and say,

they're even questioning this.

How could they possibly question this?

We told you what it was.

Okay, show us, just show us the tape.

Just show us the tape of the guy getting in.

That would help.

Show us,

explain to us why he downloaded all of those posts, these crazy posts.

Why did he post them all in one day?

Can you explain that?

And that's fine if he did.

Maybe he did it that way.

But that seems weird.

Something that would be notable.

I mean, look, he is, I think he is insane, and I think he's has a massive drug problem.

And so there's the number one thing.

There's the number one thing.

Did you not, did you know that he was in the hospital and not jail?

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Yeah, neither did I.

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He's in the hospital.

Well, okay, was he hurt?

Or is that a psychiatric hospital?

Because that's some important information.

Where's the answer on that?

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Hello, America.

After reading all of the crazy things that the guy who took a hammer to Paul Pelosi had written just recently,

and I saw how twisted this guy was, I was surprised to find out that he followed me on Facebook, apparently.

I don't know it, I haven't seen it, but it's been reported that he was a fan of mine.

Really?

Is it the pro-Jewish stance?

Or

what?

What exactly is it this guy supposedly loved about this show?

I have to tell you,

what's happening to our country is just more division, and it's got to stop.

I told you on Friday, if this guy is a lefty or a righty, he should go to prison, get the full,

you know, full force of the law, no matter who he is, what he is.

But there's a chance he's, oh, I don't know, crazy.

Now, we've had somebody else that was crazy that tried to kill a politician.

His name was John Hinkley.

Did we blame it on Jodi Foster movies?

No.

There are too many things that just seem wrong.

I think this story is...

easy to explain.

He's a nutjob who used to believe he was Jesus for a while.

He went even more crazy and he tried to kill Nancy Pelosi, not Paul Pelosi.

But what is the truth?

Who do you trust to tell you the truth?

Michael Schellenberger is with us.

He is the Environmental Progress founder and president.

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Michael Schellenberger is a guy who was the hero of the left until they started just taking things out of context and twisting them about global warming.

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He lives in San Francisco.

He has written the book, San Francisco,

and he has spent the weekend looking into this story.

We join Michael Schellenberger in 60 seconds.

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Great.

Good to be back, Glenn.

Yeah, thank you so much for all your hard work on this.

Well, thank you for having me on.

I'm excited to talk about it.

Okay, so

tell me what you have found.

What's true, what's not true?

Well, look, what we know is that this is somebody who, according to multiple witnesses, including the mother of his children, was struggling with mental illness for over a decade.

We know he was homeless for a while.

We know there was extensive drug use.

You know, mental illness, serious mental illness like schizophrenia and bipolar disorder are pretty rare, but we do see a lot of drug-induced mental illness, particularly from methamphetamine use, but certainly other drugs over time can cause psychosis, which is, of course, the classic

insanity of not being able to tell the difference between reality and your imagination.

And so what's obvious here is that the alleged suspect in the attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband was in the grip of psychosis.

And

to blame political ideology is just what you said.

It's the equivalent of blaming Martin Scorsese for making the movie Taxi Driver on John Hinkley Jr.'s attack on Ronald Reagan.

The crazy ideas expressed in the blog posts of the alleged attacker of Pelosi are themselves symptoms of the underlying psychosis.

It's incorrect to point to them as the cause.

So

I heard this morning that he is in the hospital or was this weekend.

Were those for injuries or is he in a psych ward?

I don't know.

It could be both.

I think if he's,

you know, if

he wouldn't be hospitalized long-term if he's in the hospital.

He'll be held.

He'll be diagnosed by a psychiatrist.

And we'll find out soon.

I mean, I think that the good news is that the truth gets out.

It was obvious to me, because of course I'm very close to this.

I wrote a whole book about this, came out last year.

It was obvious to me as soon as I heard about who he was and started talking to his neighbors and his family members that this was somebody that was unwell and this was a result of a sickness.

I was disturbed by how quickly even so-called mainstream journalists were to basically go and blame conservatives, blame Republicans, blame Trump.

You know, if somebody were were to be like, I read Michael Schellenberger's book, and that's why I committed this crime, it would be inappropriate to blame me for that crime.

And I think everybody knows that, but in this toxic political environment, I think it's important to remind people of that.

We never blamed Bernie Sanders, ever.

In fact, we were clear on day one.

that it wasn't Bernie Sanders' fault that one of his supporters went and tried to kill all the Republicans in Congress.

It's ridiculous.

Of course, of course.

Yeah, I mean, I was sorry to see it.

I mean, basically, I had one episode in particular.

There's a reporter who supposedly focused on disinformation at NBC News who came out and he tweeted at my reporting and said, oh, my reporting had been debunked because there's all these blog posts showing that the suspect in the attack had written crazy things, including some right-wing things, but also things about fairies and demons.

And

I found it very disturbing because I have a hard time believing that that journalist didn't know that what was driving the suspect was

mental illness or psychosis.

It really appeared that he was deliberately misleading people in order to engage in partisan political behavior just 10 days before an election.

And

it's not just on Twitter.

I mean, if you watch Meet the Press yesterday, Chuck Todd's program on NBC, the whole program was basically dedicated to this topic.

And at no point in any of the program did they even discuss the fact that the suspect was clearly in a psychotic state, suffering from delusions, under long-term drug use.

Instead, Chuck Todd made the whole show about political radicalization and ideas.

And I just think that's terrible reporting.

I think it's very partisan.

I won't speculate as to the motives of the journalists, but it's either bad journalism or it's motivated by politics.

Is it worse that they did that or that when Kavanaugh, the guy from California, came to kill Kavanaugh, they didn't even report it on any of the Sunday morning shows.

Well, I mean, that's the other thing, and I wrote a post about this yesterday, Glenn, and you're absolutely right.

I mean, it's disturbing.

I saw when the Kavanaugh assassination happened, of course, I paid attention to it.

But I'll say this, there are many progressive and liberal people in my life who still do not know that there was a serious assassination plot against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh because it was not covered in anything close to this.

So just as you said, three days after that assassination plot was revealed, none of the Sunday talk shows wrote about it.

The New York Times buried the story on page A20.

The Pelosi assassination, alleged assassination attempts was on the front page of the New York Times two days in a row.

You know, and I'll tell you the other thing about it is that

the suspect in the Kavanaugh killing was clearly motivated by his pro-choice and his pro-gun control views, and his own lawyers last week said that he was mentally fit to stand trial.

In other words, it appears, and again, there's still more information to come, and I don't want to get ahead of it, but it appears as though the suspect in the Kavanaugh plot was genuinely motivated by political fanaticism, not by mental illness.

Whereas in the Pelosi case, he clearly was driven by psychosis, mental illness, drug-induced or underlying, we don't know.

But the media basically reversed those two stories and did not, and covered the Pelosi plot attempt as though it were driven by political fanaticism rather than by psychosis.

It really is incredible.

You are from the area, Michael, and you were down there, right?

These are some of these interviews we've seen.

You were there, right?

I was.

I was.

I mean, I think it's,

you know, I'm a journalist at heart, and so it's not that far from my house, and I went down there and I interviewed all the neighbors.

I mean, I'll tell you a couple of shocking things.

I won't name names, but I was not impressed by the reporting of the other journalists.

Good journalism is that you go and knock on all the doors and you interview as many people as you can.

I was the only one doing that.

There was a lot of laziness here.

There's a lot, and it's also the partisanship and the laziness are related because if if you have the idea that this was, you know, a Trump supporter who went after Pelosi, then you don't want to go and get to the bottom of the other stuff.

You don't want to go do those interviews.

You want to stick with your little story.

So

that was part of it.

And then, you know, like, there's just, it's a really, you know, when you get into it, Glenn, as you might imagine, it's a tragic story.

I mean,

it's drug use, it's pedophilia.

The ex, the mother of his two kids is in prison for basically child molestation.

She was a crazy person.

So she herself is something, I think she probably has a personality disorder and also long-term drug use.

The kids are in that house.

They apparently weren't going to school.

I mean, this is a real, you know, it's basically a symptom of exactly the problems I described in San Francisco, which is that we've stopped enforcing basic laws.

And when you stop enforcing laws against people that are suffering mental illness or addicted to hard drugs, they don't get the help they need.

And I think that's part of the lesson here is that this tragedy could have been averted if we enforced basic laws and mandated drug treatment and psychiatric care for the people who need it.

You know, it's not that every time someone, you arrest somebody for breaking a law that they have to go to prison or they have to be punished.

Certainly some people do.

But other people are just sick.

And

I think what we'll discover as time goes on is that the suspect in the Pelosi attack was was somebody who was very ill and needed to get treatment mandated many, many years ago, but didn't get it because we're in the grip of, frankly, some pretty radical left political ideas.

Did you see the op-ed

by,

gosh, who was it?

Shoot.

Lost his name.

The guy who just wrote this weekend about the

op-ed about Tom Cotton at the New York Times and how, yeah, yeah

he's an op-ed columnist and he even didn't say anything about it.

He said because we were afraid to

when you said a minute ago that you know they don't want to find it Yeah, how many are afraid to do their job in burn in journalism?

Well, I was afraid.

I mean, I think there's a lot of you know, you know my story.

I mean, I came from the radical left.

I consider myself a moderate.

I'm an politically independent.

But yeah, I mean, I was afraid on everything.

And, you know, partly you worry about losing your friends, you worry about upsetting your family, you worry about no longer being able to make a living.

And, you know, what you're describing is a column by Washington Post reporter Eric Wempel, who writes a media column.

And he basically, to his credit,

there was an ambivalent reaction to it, interestingly enough, but basically, to his credit, he came out and said it was wrong for the New York Times to fire its op-ed page editor who ran, of course, this op-ed by Senator Cotton arguing for the use of the of the National Guard and U.S.

troops to put down the riots well he was not only did the New York Times because of the outrage by its woke journalist staff they basically denounced the op-ed they fired the op-ed page editor everybody watched this happen and knew it was wrong and you know so to his credit whatever it was, like two years ago now,

this columnist of the Washington Post said that that was wrong.

You know, uh I think it's good that you know it's better late than never, and he's one of the first people to say it.

But yeah, I mean, it's it's almost a it's a kind of um yeah, it's social fear, you're worried about your friends and your family, but it's also a financial fear, like am I going to get fired from my job?

You know, this is um this is really serious stuff and I think that the partisanship and you always emphasize this, I think it's so important, you know, we need to allow disagreement in our society.

We need to appreciate and reward it.

I always kind of, I'm always shocked by how many people, instead of being like, oh, I disagree with you, they're like, you should stop saying that.

Right.

It's hard to get people to be quiet.

Right.

We're with Michael Schellenberger.

We're going to get some more facts on, I've just got a few questions on just the facts on what's true, what's not true.

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So I think, Michael, because you have experience in your family with schizophrenia, I think it was your aunt.

Yes.

Yes.

So you've seen it firsthand.

Can you...

Well, yeah, I mean, it's interesting.

Of course, you know, when you're a child,

you know,

and, you know,

she would say crazy things, you know, and so your parents have to explain to you what that what's going on.

And it is a little scary.

Of course, it helps to have your parents there to kind of talk you through it.

But yeah, she thought that the President of the United States, I think at the time it was Ford or yeah, I think it was Ford and Nixon, that they were communicating with her directly through the television set.

You know, so I think that there's a reaction that people have to this case where they go, okay, maybe he was psychotic, but there's all these terrible conspiracy theories out there, and those need to stop.

Well, no.

First of all, there's like we have freedom of speech, and that means that we actually let people have conspiracy theories.

We let people believe all sorts of things.

That's the point of a a free society.

So the idea that we're going to get rid of certain ideas is a very bad road to go down.

But the other thing is just that psychotic people will always find some justification for their behaviors.

That's different than suggesting that those are the motivations.

I do think this is something that people can get, but they have to think about it for a minute, which is that, and we know this is true for everybody, right?

Is that like you have a motivation to do something, but you might give a different reason for why you did it.

Well, people that are psychotic, they give crazier reasons often.

But in many cases, like I look at this case, and I suspect, Glenn, that what we'll discover is that this is somebody who was, you know, he's lost.

He lost his wife and kids.

He wasn't able to hold down a good job.

He was using heavy drugs.

His motivation was probably to somehow make his life better, as crazy as that sounds, to be a hero or something like that.

He had some story in his head about how how he was gonna become a hero for this is how often these guys think by making this attack and that that's ultimately what was driving it not not like you know not some political radicalism so i but i there are some there are a few things about the story that i don't know if they're true or not i i you know i i look at these things and the reason why we have a plethora of conspiracy theories is because we no longer trust the media.

We no longer trust the government to tell us anything close to the truth.

And then there are these things that just kind of hang out in the air and nobody explains them and it doesn't fit in with the with the storyline that the media is is

going for.

First of all, does that make sense to you?

You think that's right?

Yeah, sure.

I mean, look, here's here, you know, the media...

They're partisan now.

And maybe they've always been.

Although I do think there's no doubt that it's gotten worse.

Yeah, much worse.

A rush to make this a story about why you should not vote for Republicans.

I mean, it's just so tragic.

So, I just want to check some things off of a list and see if you've looked into them or if you think they're valid questions.

And then, I also want to talk to you about the nationalization of our oil and gas.

Boy, that sounds like a really bad idea.

We'll continue with Michael Schellenberger here in just a minute.

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We are back with Michael Schellenberger,

who has been doing, spent his whole weekend really digging into

the story of the Pelosi break-in.

I just want to tick off a couple of things here with you,

if you don't mind.

I'd like to just ask you a few things, if you think

these things are material at all,

if there's reason to

look into some of these things.

For instance, it doesn't bother me that

they first said they were in their underpants and then later said that they weren't in their underpants.

Does it matter to the story, do you think?

Well, we just don't.

Yeah, I mean, it will matter, but we just don't know.

We got to wait until the investigation is complete and we're in a court hearing.

So,

okay, but how do we get that answer?

If they're, okay, well, I'll just leave it at that.

Is any of this stuff with his, you know,

his,

I guess, his website

being updated and switched over into his name here recently and then everything being posted on the 24th but made to look like it was posted over a long period of time does that is there anything to that does that bother you

i it's it's it's weird i i just don't think we know yet i mean i think we're gonna i think we have to have some confidence that we'll find out and i i think it'll be hard for there to be i think there's concerns about a kind of conspiracy by law enforcement or the district attorney and that's just very hard to pull off when there's going to be a lot of evidence that both the defense and the prosecutors are going to be demanding.

Is there,

does it bother you that somehow or another there was like the security was turned off?

I mean, this is, would you say this is a capital police failure or Secret Service?

I mean, she's number three in line, and I know they have serious

United States government security.

Yeah.

It's interesting.

I mean, here's the thing you have to keep in mind is that, you know, a homeless, mentally ill guy

physically attacked Governor Gavin Newsom of California.

You know, as you mentioned, January 6th, there was a Capitol Police failure.

So, you know, security

is often not that good.

And, you know, honestly, I've seen guys on methamphetamine do crazy, amazing things.

So I wouldn't be surprised if he got through security.

Okay, so

let me take you to the other story

that I don't think people are talking enough about.

And that is the idea that the Democrats are talking about nationalizing and urging the president to nationalize oil and gas.

And I think this could become popular quickly, and it's extraordinarily dangerous.

Well, absolutely.

I mean,

what I documented is that a former Obama advisor and somebody who is known as being a moderate named Jason Bordoff at a conference last week floated the idea of nationalizing oil companies.

Now, he then later said, oh, I didn't explicitly say nationalizing, but what he said is that the government should, quote-unquote, strand assets.

That's a little bit of jargon for basically make oil company assets worthless so that the government then can buy them at a low price or take control of them.

It's not good.

And there is a long history of it.

And

they justify it as saying, well, these things are done during wartime.

But yeah, I mean, the record of nationalizing oil companies like the way Venezuela and other countries have done it is very scary.

It's terrible for the economy and, frankly, a direct threat to private property rules.

So it is something that we should be concerned about.

So what are the odds of this happening, do you think?

Well, I think it'll depend on what happens in the midterms.

I mean, I think the thing you have to keep in mind is that there was a big poll that came out that showed that I think 64% of the public does blame Biden for high oil prices.

I think there's been an effort by Democrats to somehow say, oh, Biden's not responsible for it, even as he goes and begs the Saudis and the Venezuelans to produce more oil, even as he releases oil from our strategic petroleum reserve in an effort to reduce prices.

So look, I think that after this, I believe that the Republicans are going to take the House and they may very well take the Senate.

And after that, the Democrats Democrats are going to have to moderate because they've just gone so crazy to the radical left over the last two years or longer.

I think they're going to have to moderate because I just think it's not viable to take on all these very extreme positions.

And do you think the radical left because

I fear the left has actually got them by the throat.

And, you know, they have all the strings of the street protests and the violence.

And are they going to let the left and right moderate?

Yeah, I mean, look, the radical left is going to be the radical left, and they're going to be demanding those things.

But at the same time, there's people in the Democratic Party that want to win.

And so you saw Biden very quickly say that we should fund the police, not defund the police, because they knew it was a complete political disaster, all of this anti-police rhetoric.

So, yeah, at some point, it's basically a contest within the Democratic Party between people that want to win and want power and the people that are

fanatics.

And there's always going to be fanatics, but there's also people that want to remain politically viable.

Michael, does it appear to you at all

that

there are some in Washington that appear to be itching for a war?

You know,

the streets are on fire in Europe because the people are standing up saying, okay, this is nuts.

And if this means that we're going to war, we're getting out of NATO.

Things are really, really shaky.

And, you know, the

two countries with the most weapons both seem to have an itchy trigger finger or

a spasmodic eye.

Of course.

I mean, everybody should be concerned when two nuclear-armed countries are fighting a proxy war in Ukraine.

I'm not sure what we can do about it.

You know, obviously, I think everybody wants to see peace.

We also don't want to see powers like Russia and China just go invade other countries, and so that's always been a problem.

But yeah, I mean, look, I think we're, civilization is in crisis, and we need to affirm the fact that we have this beautiful liberal democracy.

We have a a mixed economy that's market capitalism, and we also have some entitlements, and we have a role for government, and we need to get back to some basics, some basic moderate principles.

You know, the United States is, we're still blessed.

We still have abundant energy.

We have a country that assimilates immigrants.

And we've just gotten some extremes that have pushed the country into really dangerous directions that I think we need some transcendent moral leadership at this point.

Aaron Powell, Jr.: It's a little terrifying to me to hear them talk about

nationalizing gas and oil.

That was the end of Venezuela.

They also have plenty of oil and natural resources that they could exploit.

And they're just not because government is not a good operator.

That's right.

And the government has, you know, look, the government, people always say, well, what is the government's role?

I mean, look, the government decides how many oil and gas permits on public lands and offshore water to give oil companies.

Biden has done fewer, has leased less land and less offshore water than any president since World War II.

He is waging a war on the oil and gas industry, and oil and gas are the fuels of modern civilization.

It's very disturbing.

So I think we need to, you know, I think there will be a big change after the election, because

I think the Democrats, it's going to become clear that they've just become too extreme.

I don't, I mean, wokeism, the radical wokeism that we're seeing is genuinely a threat to civilization.

At the same time, the backlash against it,

the pushing of trans ideology on the kids, the climate extremism, the war on oil and gas,

the politicization of mental illness.

People are sick of it.

And I think we want to come together as a country around some basic principles of civilization, which at the end of the day are cheap energy, law and order, and meritocracy.

If you don't have those things, you don't have a civilization.

Michael, thank you so much.

Best to you.

Keep saving.

Always a pleasure.

Thank you.

Bye-bye.

Michael Schellenberger,

who I just think is,

wasn't he on our first

climate special at cnn

gosh was he i don't even remember i think he was i think he was

he was the time magazine environmentalist you know

um you know of the decade or the world or whatever

um and they loved him at the time he wound up doing

i i thought the first time i became aware of michael was his work working as an environmentalist to saying but you know hey nuclear power is something we should probably consider here if we're serious about this Correct.

But yeah, I mean, it's amazing.

And, you know,

if you don't follow him on Substack, he's got a great Substack where he writes about this stuff.

Oh, he's really good.

Really, really good.

And really, really in-depth.

You know, someone who actually bothered to take his weekend to go down there and talk to the people around

his home to know what was going on.

We have, you know, newspapers with...

multi-million dollar budgets that pay reporters who just went through his Facebook and looked for things on the right and are just reporting those.

Where Michael, who was the first one.

Yeah, I don't even know if they did that because

it was taken off, so they just reported whatever was given to them.

Exactly.

There's so much.

The laziness he hit on earlier is so key in reporting right now because, you know, Twitter is good for a lot of things.

But one of the things it's bad for is it just gives reporters a database that they can just search and look for tweets about the topic that they're talking about.

This is why you always say you hear these stories and then they're constantly peppered with stuff like one Twitter user said.

What is that?

Who the hell cares what one Twitter user said?

I know.

Why would that be at all relevant to anyone's understanding of a story?

Right.

Right.

But it's the nice, easy, lazy way to do journalism.

Unlike what Michael had to do is actually walk through a neighborhood, talk to people, knock on doors, try to understand the big picture rather than just the one that they want to push forward.

So

kudos to him.

And his sub stack is well worth your time.

We have somebody else who worked all weekend on a couple of stories.

And one of them is what happened in Nancy Pelosi's house.

We're going to talk to him coming up at the top of the hour standby.

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There is something that we haven't talked about with the elections that are very, very positive.

Daniel Horowitz points it out, he's got a story on theblaze.com right now.

The coming state legislative tsunami.

Will Republicans capitalize on it?

And what he talks talks about is that there is

almost guaranteed to have 30 governorships, the GOP.

Chance of collecting 35 to 37 if it's a tsunami.

By winning the governorships in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Kansas, they automatically earn four more trifectas where they have

total control of the government, which is fantastic, really, truly fantastic,

because that's what's going to be able to shut down the federal government is if these states start banning together.

And we have told you for the last couple of years, the only way to really stop this is locally.

If everybody goes out and votes, you could have that done.

That would give them 31 states where they can get legislation enacted into law without democratic obstacles.

31

states.

Federalism.

Yeah.

Working.

Have you ever wondered why federalism is called federalism when it actually means localism?

Good point.

Federalism.

No, that's not the right word for it.

I mean, technically it is.

It is, but

it kind of does have a little bit of a weird back and forth there.

But yeah,

it's a big deal.

I think one of the things I've been thinking about lately when it comes to these elections elections is it's important for people to realize it's the first time you've been able to hold your governor responsible for what happened

during COVID.

And that means on the good side and the bad side, like I think Ron DeSantis is reaping the benefits of that, right?

He's going to probably win this race by high single digits, low double digits, which is an amazing win

in a race.

Yeah, didn't he win by like 0.3?

0.3 or 0.4

last time.

So this would be a big deal.

And the same, I think, should happen in states like Michigan.

I think you're seeing signs of a potential upset there,

which would be jaw-dropping to where we saw Gretchen Whitmer not that long ago as one of the rising stars of the Democratic Party.

Andrew Cuomo was the most popular governor in America at one point, and now he's long gone as well.

So I think

we do complain often about Republicans in Washington, correctly so.

But we should also step back and think about the considerably better job governors in each state did during all of this.

Most of them did a pretty good job trying to walk the lines.

We weren't always happy with, you know, with our state's governor.

And in the beginning, you understood it.

I forgive them all for at the very beginning.

There's some grace, I think, to be allowed in the early moments.

But

generally speaking, I think, I mean, you know, look, I went out to dinner inside, indoor dining on May 1st, 2020.

I've said that to friends who live in blue states and their jaw drops to the crown.

You were indoor dining on May 1st, 2020?

Yes, some people

still won't go out.

Yeah.

I mean, it's become a psychosis.

Yeah, it really has.

All right, we'll have more on the election and a couple of very important stories when we come back.

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He is the co-host there, and we have several things we want to talk to him about that

come about with the death of journalism.

Hello, John.

How are you?

I'm doing well.

Happy Halloween.

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah.

Well, you sound like you're in the mood.

Well, I got two young kids.

It's a big holiday.

Oh, yeah, yeah, I know.

Okay, so, John, let's start in San Francisco with Paul Pelosi.

What is your take on this?

You know, being a guy who, when given a bone, never ever releases it,

what is really happening here?

Well, I have a pretty unique take on this one.

I think everybody's wrong.

As your guest in the last hour said,

there's no question that the initial left-wing narrative that this was some sort of a MAGA attack is utterly ridiculous.

I do not believe believe in that at all.

I am very suspicious of the where's Nancy comment, and that could have been either not said or been said in a very, very different context.

I think that

there's a lot of unanswered questions here.

I totally get the skepticism and the skepticism, Glenn, on the right on this story is off the charts.

I've been spending most of the last three days on social media interacting with people about this, and there is absolutely no trust at all in the official version of events.

And I understand.

I mean, there's no question the 911 call should be released, the body cam footage, security footage.

I understand why people are asking questions about this official narrative because the official narrative is utterly hilarious.

But

you do have to recognize at some point, the media has to, that they're the ones causing the conspiracy theories by not just laying the evidence out.

Glenn, what you just said there is the most important point of any and all of this.

It's way bigger than what really did or did not happen with Paul Pelosi, and it's a large part of our podcast, The Death of Journalism.

And for instance,

the election conspiracies, I blame the news media for a large part of that because of the way they treated, you know, and you know how I feel about Donald Trump.

They treated Trump horrendously for four years.

So it's not a shock that his supporters don't trust you when you tell them that the election's prior.

So that's the media's fault, not entirely, but in large part.

But let me go back to Pelosi for a second.

So prefacing my answer to your very good question with, I totally get the skepticism, and I totally get, I really get the deep, deep desire, people on the right, for the left to eat it on this because of their rush to judgment that this was a MA guy.

But what Elon Musk did with the tweeting of of the gay sex gone wrong theory and Dinesh D'Souza and some other very prominent right-wingers jumping all over that, I think was a huge mistake

because I don't think that theory makes any sense either.

Sometimes really strange things happen.

Sometimes Jeffrey Epstein really kills himself in prison and somehow is able to do that.

Sometimes O.J.

Simpson kills his wife and a friend who just happens to be coming by at that moment.

I mean,

that's the way life is often very weird.

Now, I'm not saying, again, we shouldn't be asking questions.

We should, especially this close to an election.

But

the gay sex gone wrong theory, I have huge problems with.

And I think that in a way here, conservatives should have focused on debunking the MAGA myth

and making this a crime issue.

and basically turned, you know, to use a sports analogy, a field goal into potentially going for for on fourth down and throwing a pick six.

I don't like that conservatives are doing what liberals are doing, which is rushing to judgment without all the facts.

And that's, I think, very troublesome.

This is a problem on both sides, but the left clearly started this.

So let's go through a couple of things that don't make sense to you that you think need to be explained.

Well, I think a large part of what's happening on the right is that the fog of war is being interpreted in a way that they want to see the story go.

And Glenn, you know, I've become very well known for debunking these types of stories.

And I have a rule.

I have a rule that if I want an outcome to be the case, I am requiring two or three times as much evidence

to push me in that direction.

You have to do it that way because you have to adjust for your own biases.

And instead, conservatives or people on the right on this story are going in the other direction.

They're taking fragments of stuff that happened in the middle of the night in the initial report.

Let's be clear, let's blame the media again.

The news media is not just terrible because they're biased.

They're terrible when it comes to getting details right.

They're just awful.

And so

there are elements of the original reporting that are still being used, like, for instance, that there was a third person that opened the door, that that the you know, the that Pelosi referred to the suspect as a friend.

Well, those that the suspect may have been totally either naked or is underwear.

All those things are now in dispute, and they're important parts of this counter-narrative.

Hang on just a second.

The one that says he was a friend is, I don't believe, in dispute.

I think that's actually on the tape.

And

I think it actually works to say that the story is

as

you believe it is, and as I believe it is, this this nut job comes in the house.

I think Paul Pelosi was

speaking somewhat in code

because he said,

yes, he's waiting for my wife.

He's going to wait for my wife, and he's a friend.

And

I think he was playing that to the police because they were just going to do regular dispatch, but the lady felt, the woman who was at dispatch

felt something

was really wrong and hit the, I don't know what you call the red alert, but had everybody race to the place because she knew he didn't sound right.

That's a good, that's really good analysis there, Glenn.

And

so what, you know, and you're using the kind of thought process I use.

I go through, okay, what's the official story?

And is there a plausible explanation for everything that we have been told?

And that is a very plausible explanation because we know this guy was nuts, okay?

We know that.

So how, but can you be nuts and

take a website that's been there for 15 years and dormant

and all of a sudden hop on a few days before and post stuff that looks like you've been posting for a year or so.

Right.

And it's all crazy stuff.

Well, that's a very good question.

And I totally agree that that should be investigated fully and that there should be high suspicion towards anything that points towards the the MAGA attack theory on this, because that i is is a situation that very much like I already excoriated the right for, that the left desperately wants to be true.

That's always that's always one of the key points in evaluating any of these stories.

How much does the media want it to be true?

And they desperately, ten days before an election, want the MAGA attack story to be true.

So I guess I'm saying epox on both on all sides here, but I, you know, the I wish why can't we just wait?

Why can't we just wait for the facts now and

demand that the footage be released, the 911 call be released?

I mean, this is a clearly a very politically charged story just before a major election involving the husband of

Nancy Pelosi.

Look, I get,

for conservatives, it's very, very difficult to believe that a straight man could be married to Nancy Pelosi for all these years.

I get it.

But I happen to know people who have known Paul Pelosi since his days at Georgetown.

I went to Georgetown, my father went there.

There's no rumors about him being gay, okay?

There's also, you know what else there isn't, Glenn?

In the last three days since the story broke, there's nobody coming forward to say they've had gay sex with a suspect, which you would expect would be the case, right?

With all the media coverage just as

created.

Unless Hillary Clinton had them all killed

John,

and I forgot about that.

John, I haven't seen as much because I have seen a couple posts about

this theory you're mentioning.

I haven't seen as much coverage on that, so I don't know much about that part of it.

But I do think that part of the reason why we don't get the facts on this one right away is

the election's eight days away.

We can't know the whole story here, which appears to be just a lunatic doing something crazy.

We can't have that whole story because they need to use it for eight days.

After eight days, we'll have the same thing that we're getting now with, like, let's say COVID, right?

Where we're getting, oh, well, maybe those lockdowns of the schools weren't such a good idea.

We'll get those after the fact.

They cannot give us anything other than this was January 6th related, at least for the next eight days.

I agree with that totally, and it's frustrating as hell, and we should fight back against that with everything we have.

I've already mentioned the Elon Musk thing.

And see, that to me is what put the gay sex gone wrong theory into the stratosphere and may have caused great damage because obviously Musk is under a microscope right now, and he is being destroyed for having shared

a link that I never would have even dreamed of sharing.

And here he is, you know, obviously of great prominence and being looked at with great scrutiny.

And I think he lost a lot of sway that he may have had previously with people that are in the middle.

And now the media is making him into an enemy all over a story that not only wasn't credible, I don't, you know, is not true.

And I'll be shocked if it turns out that this is anything close to what that theory entailed.

And like I said, there were other prominent right-wing commentators who jumped all over it.

But Stu, your point is really well taken.

The time continuum with with the media is a real issue because we're now living in an age where you've got to get the story out immediately.

Social media reacts.

We've come up with our own narratives that fit our own priors.

And that's the story, and we're sticking to it.

The truth doesn't matter.

And then by the time it does come out, no one cares anymore.

Yeah, exactly right.

Okay, hang on just a second.

We have John Ziegler on.

He has a new podcast, which is really,

really fantastic.

It is called The Death of Journalism.

You can get it wherever you you find your podcast.

We'll talk to him about that and also Kanye West.

A little more on Elon Musk as well.

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All right, we're back with John Ziegler.

John, can we spend a couple of minutes here on James Gordon Meek?

He's the guy who was an ABC journalist working on a book about the disaster in Afghanistan, was picked up by somebody in black vans in front of his house back in April.

There's witnesses to it.

He was thrown into the van

and then he hasn't been seen since.

And I was in a meeting yesterday and

my guys were like, we're not getting anywhere on this.

And I'm like, oh, I know somebody.

I know somebody who won't sleep until he figures this one out.

You've done an initial look into this James Gordon Meek disappearance, and what have you found?

Well, you know, the reporting on this I find to be very interesting because

there have been two major stories, one by Rolling Stone, one by The Daily Beast, which kind of contradict each other.

Yes.

And in critical ways.

And again, it's hard to determine, all right, what's incompetence by the news media, which I'm always first, that's always where I go first in the modern news media, is incompetence.

And I frankly think that the Rolling Stone story may have been greatly incompetent.

You know, it's a shame though, Glenn, that we don't have a news outlet that would have a special entree into this story.

I don't know, like ABC News?

Yeah.

Like where the guy, where the guy worked for years and was very, very prominent.

And, you know, apparently they're scrubbing from news stories that he was the producer for David Muir,

you know, because we're going to pretend that this guy never existed before.

This is one of those.

This is one of those classic stories that exposes a lot of what we talked about in the previous segment, that the lack of trust in all institutions, the media, the FBI,

all elements of our government is so low, so catastrophically low, that all bets are off now.

And that all questions are relevant.

And even sometimes things that end up being conspiracy theories come from very rational people because that's the world we're now living in.

We no longer have any reason to trust what we are being told.

And that's the really scary part.

As far as what really happened here you know the the theory that this didn't have anything to do with his ABC work I think makes some sense because

there's no evidence that he went to ABC and said hey protect me here because that would make some sense right if you if you're if you're working at ABC and you know you're being accused of having like classified information related to your work the first thing you're going to do to protect yourself is go to the giant ABC use their lawyers or what have you that did not happen here.

So I wish we had more information.

This is a story that I think we absolutely should keep an eye on, but I don't currently have an answer to

the question of what really happened.

There's too many things here that just are just

wrong on it.

It needs some answers.

And it might be non-nefarious.

It might be the guy just

freaked out and living, but

it's just too weird.

John, before you go, I want to tell you, I listened to your podcast.

Who's your co-host?

What's her name?

Liz Habib.

She's a former news anchor and sports anchor here in Los Angeles and a professor of journalism at Syracuse University.

She told the story about

losing, was it her parents?

Her mom?

Her mother.

Yeah, her mother with COVID.

And it was so powerful.

And that's where you're beginning the death of journalism is on COVID and what journalists did and didn't do.

Powerful stuff, John.

It's right up your alley.

Really great podcast.

Thanks so much, Glenn.

Hope people check out The Death of Journalism.

Appreciate your time.

You got it.

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We'd like some answers from Facebook.

Facebook.

How did the LA Times get

the list of everybody that he was following on Facebook?

How did they get it?

The Pelosi attacker.

Yeah.

And we don't have it because my name apparently is mentioned on that.

As is Daily Wire, as is Mike Lindell.

Jordan Peterson

as well was in some of these posts, supposedly.

So we'd like, well, he was following us.

I don't know if he was following, I don't don't know who he was.

That's what we want to know.

And was it really, it was only right-wing websites?

I just want to

quickly point out that it's the Glenn Beck program 9 million times.

I don't even mention in the election coverage.

And then when it comes to who a guy who's trying to kill somebody is following, then it's us.

At that point, this show becomes us.

Oh, the killer was following us.

Me and Glenn together.

Us.

It's the Glenn Beck program with Stu now.

All of a sudden, that happens.

None of the other times, but when it's a killer, you know what?

He was following you, Glenn Beck.

He, I think, this man adored you.

Who knows how he was inspired to do these things?

Probably directly from you.

Where are the private messages?

We don't know.

We haven't seen them yet.

Very nervous about this.

May I just say for the record,

Your Honor, this is what my attorney was talking about.

his irrational

fear and anger over this story.

Wow.

Wow.

It's an executive producer for you.

That's how

it works.

It is interesting, though, because they do this all the time.

And I can understand when they do it if there's a manifesto posted or something that they think is going to inspire someone in the moments after.

you know, like their

copycat requests, right?

Someone to, hey, do this mass killing that I just did type of stuff.

You want to pull that stuff down.

There's no reason for a story like for something like this to happen, though.

They're pulling down this page.

And we, so the media narrative is he was following all these right-wing accounts.

He was posting all these political memes on the right so that they can tell everybody that's the reason why this occurred and then not let anyone on the right, his own accuser, right?

Someone who was being accused, essentially, is unable to even fact check it.

You're not even able to go on and say, well, wait a minute, why didn't you say say that he was also following the XYZ leftwork figure, right?

Like, you can't, they don't want you to be able to pick this story apart.

And so they get to just keep it behind this wall.

And someone at Facebook, I assume, is telling them this stuff.

Unless they just happen to be on the guy's page.

right as it occurred and nailed all this, which is possible.

But if so, provide us the evidence of everybody who was on this page.

Not just the people that you don't like, like Glenn, who you shouldn't like for other various reasons.

Your honor, see, see?

Right.

Should this be kept up?

Shouldn't this just be available for people to look at themselves?

Yeah, I don't.

I mean, if they have a bunch of hate stuff, you don't, you could just delete some of the messages as long as you could make it public to the people they were talking about.

You know what I mean?

Shouldn't it go to conservative media organizations at the least to be able to analyze it?

Along with the L.A.

Times?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Let me tell you that tomorrow we are beginning to live stream the first hour of this podcast and radio program to my YouTube channel.

So if you've never, if you've never seen The Blaze, you've never seen this program,

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I'm just warning you now.

Those are fat suits we're wearing.

Those are fat suits.

We just kept them on the day after Halloween time.

I've kept myself in tip-top shape.

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But that's not the way YouTube is working with us.

And I have a guess that we're going to last maybe

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All right.

Okay.

Let me ask you a question.

And oh my gosh, I can't ask him a question.

If I ask him this, I know what he's going to say.

He's going to go out of his mind crazy.

Okay, let me just preface it with this.

Stu.

Yes.

Your honor, I'm trying to work with this madman.

It'll all be used as evidence against you.

I know.

Kanye West.

Let's just say he's nuts.

Okay, let's just say it's

nuts.

He's nuts.

I think the guy has severe

bipolar.

Yeah.

Again, saying someone's nuts are insane doesn't make him a bad guy.

It's a nuts.

Maybe thing to say.

Pelosi's guy is nuts.

Right.

Nuts.

But I think in similar ways, it seems like.

You know, similar ways as Kanye West, right?

It seems like there was an anti-Semitism string running through both of these people.

Oh, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.

But I think it's like to say that they're crazy gives this

impression that like okay well they can't tell what's going on in the world like i'm summarizing what i think to be i see as severe mental illness severe and i think this has occurred this has been a situation with kanye west going back a very long time long before the red hat ever appeared on his head in fact most people on the right all agreed that he was insane for many, many, many years until he put the red hat on.

And then all of a sudden, he was this important cultural icon.

To me, he never was.

He wasn't a genius back when he was making his music when he was saying George W.

Bush doesn't care about black people.

He wasn't a genius then.

He's not a genius when he put the red hat on.

He's not a genius when he's saying the crap that he's saying today.

I think the truth is, we should sit back and say, this person has been crazy for a long time because seemingly he has a severe mental illness that is not being treated.

Now, he has pointed out that he was diagnosed having

a severe mental illness, but you can't really count it because the doctor was a Jew.

So I don't know if that did not point.

He said it.

I'm paraphrasing a bit.

Oh, my God.

But he came out and he says, Well, look, it was, you know, I went to a doctor and they did say that.

But, you know, that doctor, and I can't say what group of people that doctor belonged to.

We should play the clip because he tries to not say it and then just says it anyway.

It was a Jewish doctor.

But again, like, look, there seems to be, though, beyond the severe mental illness that is at play, I think, with Kanye,

a serious thread of anti-Semitism running through at least black celebrities.

Like, I mean, Kyrie Irving has had another incident

with severe anti-Semitism that he was criticized by his own team owner.

Of course, as you know,

he's a guard for the

Brooklyn

boss.

Brooklyn.

Brooklyn.

Nets.

And I mean, we mentioned the Nick Cannon thing, who's not a right-wing person at all, but came out with basically the same sort of theories about how Jews control the world and all of these other things

that have been associated now with Kanye and Kyrie Irving.

And so we've seen this a lot in at least the...

I don't know if this runs throughout a larger section of the African-American community, but African-American celebrities in particular seem to have a higher than normal percentage of people who believe these things.

And that's something that perhaps we should note.

Your Honor, I rest my case.

He has just gone after black people.

No, I did not.

Calling them racist.

I did not.

I want you to know that's not my point of view.

You see where it's coming from, Your Honor.

Now, I would like to say, I would like to say this about Kadye West.

Okay.

Okay.

Now, do you have it all out of your system?

I mean, I can keep going.

No, no, no problem.

So here's the thing.

Did you see, you know, he's lost his bank accounts.

He's lost his Adidas account.

He lost his bank account before he started saying crazy things.

Okay.

I mean, well,

really, really crazy thing.

He's always said crazy things, but really, really crazy things.

And there have been people that have said crazy things before.

Who was it you just mentioned?

Nick Cannon, Gary Irving, right?

They didn't lose their banking ability.

They didn't lose their credit card ability.

Nick Cannon has two network shows that are currently airing.

Correct.

So we know this isn't a real problem.

He's losing his insurance.

Now, any of this sound familiar?

He's now losing his insurance.

He's losing the ability to do any business with anyone.

This weekend,

the good will

said they won't take any of his shoes as donations.

You're kidding me, right?

No.

As we strive to maintain the most up-to-date product information on elevated brands available to sell, we are sensitive to current events and take action when designers and brands do not allow with our do not align with our mission and rise values.

We currently are removing the sale of Adidas Yeezy brand product from all channels, retail stores, boutiques, e-commerce, and all outlets, as well as from our elevated brands tool.

Effective immediately, they will be removed and placed in trash bags.

So, we're going to throw out no, no, no, no, they said they were putting them in trash bags.

I'll bet you they are holding them, putting them in a warehouse, and when it all blows over, they'll sell them anyway.

But,

can I just ask you, when was the last time

the good will

said,

you know what, we just can't take stuff from him?

I don't think I've ever heard of that before.

I've never heard of that.

Never.

Now, who are you hurting?

Are you hurting Kanye?

Are you hurting the people that need shoes?

I don't really care whose shoes they were.

If I need shoes, I want some shoes.

This is ESG,

and this is not a message to you.

Have you noticed the number of celebrities and people like Kanye that are coming out and saying not that they're conservative, but that they disagree with what's being shoved down everybody's throat?

This is a message to all celebrities.

If you step out of line, we will destroy you and your brand.

There's no place to hide.

This is why

your state has got to ban all ESG

and ESG scores from the banking, financial, and insurance industry.

What?

I always forget it's Halloween until I hear the scary music at the beginning of these commercials.

It's not Halloween.

I'm about to tell you a real story.

Oh, really?

Yeah, standing right there in front of you, standing between you and safety.

The hellhound.

Yeah.

You'll see him?

No.

He's growling his massive teeth.

My work moved me a little bit.

Every muscle in his body is tensed, ready to jump, ready for the kill.

The hackles on his back of his neck stand up as he inches closer and closer.

Looks like this is the end of the line for you, because your back is against the wall.

There's no escape, Stu.

You're about to be dog chow.

Yeah.

He really hates people who said bad things about Kanye West.

Wait a minute, what are you taking out of your back pocket?

No, no, no, not

a bag of rough greens.

It's not a dog food, I'd remind you, Stu.

It's a supplement that has everything a dog needs.

Be happy and healthy.

Why are you feeding it to the...

Why are you tossing the whole bag to him?

Why am I giving this dog that wants to kill me more nutrients?

I don't know.

I don't write these things.

Okay, I don't.

I just.

Is the ending supposed to make sense?

No, it's just the folks at Rough Green.

Folks at Rough Greens are so confident that your dog is going to love it, they have a special deal just for you.

Go to roughgreens.com/slash Beck.

They'll give you a first bag free.

It's a trial bag.

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Wow.

Welcome to the Glendeck Programme.

We're so glad that you joined us.

We are a week away from election.

Yeah, tomorrow from tomorrow.

Yeah.

It's a big deal.

Things looking pretty good.

Well, no, not if you read the New York Times.

They did release a poll.

Yeah.

Oddly, with registered voters, I mean, look, registered voter polls have some value about six months out from an election.

Yeah, or even longer.

You know, they always like registered voters.

You go when you get to poll now,

you're likely voters because that's what matters.

Now, if you're a polling organization that's incapable of doing likely voter screens, maybe there's a reason that you're only going to get registered voters.

But likely voter screens are something very common for the New York Times and Sienna.

They're both known as very high-quality pollsters.

Why they would release a poll with registered voters, I have no idea.

But it does show bad news for conservatives at every point.

Is that true?

You have no idea why they release.

No, I have an idea.

What's a justifiable idea?

I can't come up with one of those.

Pennsylvania has John Fetterman up five.

Mark Kelly in Arizona up six.

Ty in Nevada between Lax Alt and Cortez Mastow, and then Raphael Warnock up three.

So bad news.

And I would say all of those are worse than almost every other poll is showing right now.

What a surprise coming from the New York Times of registered voters.

Now, remember, the New York Times came out with a poll, with the same pollster last week where they were saying all of this news that looked really bad for Democrats.

Right.

You know, so it's not like they're

a partisan pollster.

It might actually be the same poll.

They just

looked at a different.

Or they're releasing.

A lot of times pollsters, this is a trick that pollsters do nowadays to pay for them because they're getting so expensive.

They'll come up with 40 questions at a poll and they'll release five at a time so they get eight news cycles out of it.

It could be that same thing.

It also could be that

This is a correct poll when it comes to registered voters and not likely voters.

I mean, I don't think it would be crazy at all for these results to look

right around rational if you were talking about registered voters.

But this is the thing.

Likely voters, and these screens almost always benefit Republicans.

And at this point, why would you not be applying them?

You can tell a lot.

I mean, some people have already voted.

Certainly you can make sure that you know those people are telling the truth.

At least those people definitely are going to vote, right?

They've already voted.

There's a lot of ways to be able to look at this and be able to tell who's going to actually have a vote that counts on election day.

And to not apply that this close to the election is just bizarre.

I don't know what the point of it is.

Stop saying that.

Well, I mean, I don't know what a rational, justifiable point of it is.

There is no rational, justifiable point of it.

We are, to your point, Glenn, in the Hunter Biden window.

Yes.

No news that will come out that is bad for Democrats is going to come out until after next Tuesday.

Then you'll start hearing all sorts of stuff.

But until then, forget about it.

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