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I'm going to see Top Gun

today.

And

it's kind of like, you know, hey, God,

stop spending so much time on Tom Cruise, okay?

Spread that stuff around a little bit.

Yeah.

He's like the coolest guy alive.

Yeah.

You know, he's gone through his ups and downs.

Yeah, I mean, he might be a monster, but I don't see it.

Well, and we know that, for example, Tom Brady is a monster because of his

horrible human being.

He's another one.

Yeah, he's another one.

Slow down.

Brains, good looks, talent.

Yeah, he's got all the good things that happen in his life, and he's taking away the good things that could happen in your life.

Exactly.

He's appropriating our positives.

Exactly right.

It's exactly right.

There are a few supermodels that would date me because he's taking them all.

It's unfair.

All right.

Anyway, here's today's podcast.

It's really good.

Mike Lee is with us.

Kellyanne Conway, I mean, she dishes the dirt.

And it's not really dirt.

I mean, she's just very, very frank about what happened.

I still don't know what the current status of the relationship with her husband is, though.

Even after you talked about it with her extensively, I still don't know.

I know

I'm married, but I'm not really.

Anyway, it's a great podcast today.

Don't miss a second.

Here it is.

You're listening to the best of the women back programming.

I want to be very, very careful because I don't want to have to apologize for anything.

And that's what we all should be thinking.

Let's not say things that we don't know to be true or take positions on things we're not sure.

We do not have all of the facts.

And I'm not going to throw the police under the bus.

I am going to question

the federal marshals that were there.

Where the hell were you?

What were you doing?

I am going to question them.

I think we have enough information there.

You're wearing tactical gear.

Why the hell isn't your ass inside?

But the police, I don't know.

And it's not looking good for them.

But let's not

take sides on things and do what the left before we know the truth.

Yeah,

the only thing, again, you try to construct any reason why they would do some of these things.

It's very difficult to understand.

I mean, the only thing that I keep coming back to is the difference between, let's say, an active shooter situation and an inactive shooter situation.

If you, you know, you think about every hostage movie you've ever seen, right, where a person, maybe he's not actively shooting, he's holding them hostage, or maybe he's, you know, this is

here that they would have said said he was holding them hostage, we had contact with him, we were negotiating, et cetera, et cetera.

Right.

The right move might be, in a situation where he's holding them hostage, for example, not to bust in because he might kill more people, right?

The other thought is, you know, as dark as this is to think about, potentially he had already done the killing in this room and was barricaded in this room.

Right.

And therefore, the thought from the police officers may have been, hey, let's evacuate all the other kids, get everybody else out of the rest of the world.

This would have taken an hour.

If you had him, if you thought that he was barricaded and killed everybody in that classroom, okay, which he did except for two, right?

We do know, yeah, we do know that it was not accurate, at least, because there is a story, and it's the worst story you're ever going to hear.

I don't want to hear it at all, but just give me the details.

Quickly,

it seems like the agent said, hey, if you need help,

you know, let us know.

And one of the kids who was hiding said, I need help.

He heard them, came over and killed the kid.

This is from another child who was in the room who witnessed the incident.

So, again, like, it's as dark as it can possibly be.

But you can see, you can construct a scenario where they believe the most

the smartest thing to do because there wasn't ongoing active shooting going on was to try to protect everyone else.

So, but I mean, that doesn't

let me ask you this.

You don't know.

Did this classroom have windows?

If so, did anybody have eyes on the shooter or the classroom from the outside?

If not, why?

Second, he was locked in.

Okay, is locked in.

There's no shots being fired.

Why wasn't at least one police officer positioned at the door?

So if that door opened up, you shot the guy in the head.

Okay?

And then, why did it take you an hour to get everybody out?

If you know

you have him locked in a room,

why not go to every classroom and say, out, now, now, go, go, go, go, go, go, go.

Get everybody out.

It doesn't take you an hour to do that.

So

something just doesn't look right on this, and it's most likely unbelievable incompetence.

But I can't, you know what?

I just

can't take the lies anymore.

I can't take the

not trusting anyone anymore.

Let me give you this.

AOC

She came out with a statement yesterday.

Young women are not doing this.

Young non-binary people are not doing this.

Trans people are not doing this.

This is the issue we have.

Young men are being radicalized right now.

Really?

Who's radicalizing them?

Who is radicalizing them?

I'm not the one that is turning every

student in America into a protester.

That would be you and the teachers unions.

By the way, you also should check your facts.

Yesterday, Colorado teenager pleaded guilty to multiple charges of murder.

In the 2019 school shooting outside of Denver that left one student dead, eight injured.

Alec McKinney, who was born biologically a female but identifies as a male, pleaded guilty to 16 counts, including first-degree murder and attempted murder and conspiracy to commit first-degree murder after deliberation.

Please give it a rest, AOC.

Now, the same people who are outraged by this in the Democratic Party, Congressional Democrats, the Republicans, and the Democrats.

Yeah, well, they were the same people that pushed a bill that would have banned federal funding for school police in 2020.

You don't want to arm the teachers?

Because the majority of Americans now say we should arm the teachers.

Yeah.

54%

either strongly or somewhat support the arming of teachers and staff to respond to a school shooting.

Only 35%

somewhat are strongly opposed.

So don't tell me about our extremist, out-of-step, most people want guns taken away when actually that's not true.

Common sense would be put police there, lock all the doors,

arm the teachers.

But you know who's against that?

Oh my gosh.

You know, here, and this is why, this is why, you know, all the Democrats can be counted on not going for this solution, putting guns in schools, even though the majority of people agree with it.

You know why?

Because the teachers' unions.

Yeah,

the teachers' unions, they don't think it should be done.

They're against it.

In fact, they're not just against it, they're hostile.

Our public schools should be the safest places for students and educators, yet, the gunshots from a lone shooter armed with a military-grade weapon shattered the physical safety of the school community in Uvalde, Texas.

You know what also is a military-grade weapon at the time?

A flintlock.

And then later, it was a cap and ball.

And then later, it was the M16.

All guns at the time are military grade.

Why do you need that?

It's a weapon of war.

So was the flintlock.

And by the way, no matter how they try to change the history of the

AR,

it was a hunting rifle first.

Oh, dear heavy vessel.

Time magazine has released an op-ed.

Sometimes calls for America to return to God are couched in the language of consolation, especially after mass shootings.

When 19 children were killed in a school in Uvalde, Texas Tuesday, a Republican from Colorado tweeted, It's times like these that we should, as individuals, communities, and a nation turn to God for comfort and healing.

Please, please, America, we are running out of time.

Please turn back to God

and beg for Him to heal our land.

Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia followed deflection.

Our nation needs to take a serious look at the state of our mental health today.

Don't you think we do?

Don't you think we do?

Because today

I could claim I'm a woman, do nothing else, else,

just sit here with all the junk in my pants, but I'm wearing panties,

and I could come out and say, hey, everybody, I identify as, and if you make fun of me or even question me,

you're the hater.

You're the crazy one.

No, I don't think so.

I don't think so.

No.

I think we should look at our mental health today.

There's a reason we always hear calls for Christian nationalism rather than for common sense gun legislation from the right.

As we've shown in our research, guns are practically an element of worship in the church of white Christian nationalism.

White Christian nationalism?

You know who knows about gun rights better than anybody else?

The Native American.

Cause what happens when the government took the Native American guns away?

Oh, they took their land and destroyed them.

That's right.

Why is it that Martin Luther King couldn't get a carry permit to carry a gun?

Why is it?

Because the local sheriff said, you don't need that, boy.

We're here to protect you.

Really?

They did a bang-up job.

Why is it the Klan made sure that no blacks could have any guns?

That way they could terrorize them at night.

Don't talk to me about how it's a white Christian nationalist idea.

It is a nationalist idea, I guess, because we're the only nation that has a Second Amendment because it wasn't written for sports.

It was written for a government that was out of control.

You know, let me define out of control.

One that is canceling everything to do with carbon-based fuel because the government is in charge of

everything now.

A government that has just decided to spend us into oblivion, to bail out all of the big guys, make special favors for all the people who have big money.

You know, the government where you go to jail for something, but if somebody in the know, somebody that's popular, somebody that, God forbid, would do exactly the same thing or far worse in Washington, they're never held to account, but you'd go to jail.

A government that tells its own citizens, close down your business, and you have no choice, or you're going to jail.

A government that says, you're going to wear masks after the government says masks don't make any difference.

I think that's a government out of control.

And if that doesn't meet your bar, all the things that are going on, if this doesn't meet your bar, just wait until they take your guns away.

No,

that's not Christian or nationalism.

That

is common sense

gun regulation.

You're listening to the best of the Glenbeck Program.

This is the Glen Beck program.

We have Kellyanne Conway coming up in just about a half hour.

We have in studio with us now, Senator Mike Lee.

Hello, Mike.

Good to be with you.

Mike has put a new book out.

We'll talk about it a little bit next week, Saving Nine.

It's all about the Supreme Court and what they are trying to do to the Supreme Court and why it's so important that they don't win.

Let's talk about the Supreme Court, and I want to talk to you through guns.

Right now, we have Biden saying, you know, the Second Amendment's not an absolute.

You couldn't have a cannon when this was written.

I think you could, Mike.

I think you could own a cannon.

And you can't have, you know, you can't have weapons of war.

That's what a flintlock was at the time.

Is it absolute or not?

It's absolute with regard to weapons commonly held by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes.

So, yeah, that extends to guns, it extends to most guns, it extends to most knives, all knives, as far as I'm aware, you have the right to bear arms.

This goes back, I mean, nearly 500 years.

This was a deeply honored tradition and something protected under the English Bill of Rights long before we became a country.

But wait a minute.

So, you said you have a right to own a weapon that is legally allowed to be held.

Well, then, so could Congress just pass laws that just say, and that would be constitutional?

They could say, you know what?

Only

six shooters are allowed.

And I mean, you know, revolvers.

Well, no, because we have a long history and tradition of allowing people to have guns

commonly held by law-abiding persons for lawful purposes, peaceful purposes.

So

if there there is an established tradition for that weapon, then you've got a Second Amendment right to it.

That doesn't mean that we can't keep it away from people who are convicted felons or who have been convicted of a misdemeanor offense of domestic violence or are addicted to drugs

or have some other mental health.

Yes, who have been adjudicated incompetent by a court of competent jurisdiction.

Trevor Burrus: So you have, first of all, California, just the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, just said said that their under-21 gun restriction is unconstitutional.

And I don't know how we can ask somebody who is 18 to go fight a war for us with a gun and a lot of dangerous things and lay down their life as a citizen for this country.

And then when they come home, if they come home, you know, before they're 21, they don't have full rights of that citizenship.

By the way, what do they lay down their life for their country holding?

Their weapon of choice is a gun.

So they can be trusted in that context, but not elsewhere.

At 16, they're allowed to drive.

A car is also a dangerous weapon.

It can be used, has been used for that.

And so, yeah, that seems like an arbitrary distinction.

So

Biden

has come out and

has said that he wants

something has got to be done that is really dangerous.

McConnell has directed John Cornyn to engage with the Democrats on a bipartisan solution on gun violence.

I have no respect left for John Cornyn.

Even though he is from Texas, he is no friend of liberty.

What is that all about?

It's hard to say.

I don't know that we've heard from John Cornyn or from Mitch McConnell what exactly, if anything, they want enacted.

But I'll tell you this.

I'll tell you my approach to it.

I do think there is some danger in approaching a national emergency and responding to it by saying, we need another law.

We need another law right now.

Every time government expands, every time it extends its reach by passing a new law, it undermines liberty in one way or another.

It doesn't mean it's always a bad thing, but it is a bad thing typically to legislate under intense emotion.

in the immediate aftermath of an emergency, a crisis.

That's where bad law happens.

So, Mike, what is coming our way?

Do you think the Supreme Court knows who the leaker was?

Yes, I do.

I believe the Supreme Court almost certainly has figured it out by now.

I believe the Supreme Court probably figured out within a couple of days who the leaker was.

And I suspect, don't know this, but I suspect what they're doing is they're wanting to wait until the end of the term, until after the Dobbs ruling has been announced before airing to the world who it was, because that might just add to the confusion, the discussion around it.

And it would think somebody will pay for that?

Yeah, I do.

I do.

I think they know who it was, and I do think that that person will have consequences.

If, as I suspect, it was a law clerk, I think that law clerk

likely will never practice law.

That's not okay to leak confidential information, not your own,

to the world.

And this was very, very sensitive information.

I hope somebody pays for it, because that's another problem we have have in America right now.

People don't trust the system.

And

there's really not a lot of reasons to trust it.

Nobody seems to pay for crimes.

And that's the sad part about this is that in that case, this was

one system that still has been trusted by the Supreme Court of the United States.

Look, worts and all, they issue plenty of rulings that I disagree with, that I don't like.

Our federal court system is the best of its kind in the world.

And we benefit from it tremendously as Americans because of it.

When you leak an opinion before it's out, trying to impact the outcome of that particular dispute, you undermine the credibility of the court.

That's what the left's trying to do.

So did they

do you think this changed or hardened the stance of this leak, hardened the stance of those that were for

the leaked opinion?

I hope and I fundamentally believe that it will harden the stance of those who had already decided preliminarily to cast their votes with Justice Alito's masterfully written opinion.

I think so, too.

It was beautiful.

It was brilliant.

Anyone on either side of this issue

should read that opinion because it is fantastic.

Yeah.

So now we have, let me go back again because I'm looking at what's coming.

I'm building this to

the nine justices that they're going to want to pack the court.

We have a couple of cases that are just as strong as Roe versus Wade in their area, do we not?

We have one on gun rights.

We do indeed.

New York State Rifle and Pistol Association versus Bruhn, a case in which I submitted an Amicus brief, a friend of the court brief.

Very significant issues related to this economic.

Which means what the argument is, New York, and I know it because I couldn't get a gun in New York, and I had 15 active threats on my life the entire time I was in New York

you have to prove that you have a need to carry a gun an exceptional need yes you have to prove that you are different differently situated than most citizens and that you have this heightened need to it what they're doing is taking a generally applicable right that the founding fathers gave us and said, okay, this obviously can't be for everyone.

It can't even be for most people.

And in fact, we're going to make it only available under exceptional circumstances.

That's rather the opposite of a right.

Right, right.

So we have that coming out.

Anything else that's real controversial that you think they will

there are some administrative law decisions coming up that I hope, I suspect, could end up having some bearing on the ability of the executive branch agencies, unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats, to make law.

Okay.

But the real, the gun one and abortion will could ignite the streets

and then also start a push for packing the court.

Yes, that's what they do.

And Glenn, that's why I wrote my book, Saving Nine, which is available on pre-order now.

You can buy it on Amazon now, Saving Nine.

I started writing this over a year ago because I predicted this very thing happening.

I started thinking.

I realized, my gosh, we could end up in a situation by the summer of 2022

where Roe gets overturned.

And in response to that, the left will try to demonize and delegitimize the court and isolate those who have voted for it.

And they're going to go back to their tried and true playbook of 1937 where they tried to pack the court.

So I explained in Saving 9 how it is that this backfires This backfires on the best judicial system in the world.

Why it is that in 1937, the last time the Democrats tried this, it left a lasting mark, a mark that has caused all sorts of problems in our government ever since then.

The threat of court packing, even though it didn't succeed there, influenced the court.

It harassed and intimidated the court to the point that the court deferred blindly to FDR and changed the law.

So FDR did this, but the Democrats, generally speaking, were against it.

It was the Democrats that were fighting, along with the Republicans, fighting FDR on this.

You don't have that situation now.

You don't don't have that situation now.

And in fact, the very same Democrats who have for decades decried court packing, they're ashamed that their party did this, are now changing course.

They're now back on board.

Look, Joe Biden, when he was in the Senate, called it a boneheaded idea.

It was a boneheaded idea when FDR did it, and it would be a boneheaded idea now.

His words, not mine.

Ruth Bader Ginsburg, just a couple years ago before she died,

said essentially the same thing.

Democrat after Democrat had said this.

this.

But now

they're ignoring all of that.

Now they're saying, but we have to do it.

And that's because, in my opinion, the Democrats are not Democrats.

They're more Marxist revolutionaries.

Because this is, once you lose this,

you're done as a nation, are you not?

Well, yeah,

you're done, at least as a nation that lives under the rule of law.

Because in order for

the rule of law to work, in order for a Republican form of government to work in a constitutional republic like ours, you do have to have a neutral, independent arbiter of what the law means when people disagree as to the law's meaning.

You lose that if you pack the court because the court then becomes a political football.

It stops resembling a court and starts to resemble the intergalactic senate in Star Wars with so many people that can't be managed.

Right.

One last thing I want to talk to you about.

The Durham case.

I just talked to Bill Barr, and he told some fascinating behind-the-scenes scenes stuff.

That's a podcast that's out today.

And I was really actually angry with him.

Where was this?

And he had really good explanations for all of it.

He said that he knew that Durham would continue.

But we're looking at now the, I mean, it looks like it's tying right directly to Hillary Clinton.

I mean, it looks bad.

for Sussman and the Clinton campaign.

However, the jury is from Washington, D.C.

There are two donors to Hillary Clinton's campaign.

I mean, it's a very tainted jury.

Is there anything that?

I mean,

if the facts are there and the jury dismisses it, it's over, right?

Yes.

That is a central feature of our system.

Correct.

When a crime is prosecuted, you've got a jury, and the jury makes a decision.

The jury's decision is unreviewable.

So then,

if they don't pay, again, if nobody pays for this,

how do we retrieve?

Yeah, that's a good question.

So it's true the jury's decision in that case is unreviewable.

Those are protections we offer for the individual's account.

And it should be, and I agree with double jeopardy shouldn't happen.

But when you get a jury that decides not to convict for whatever reason, that doesn't mean the facts go away.

It doesn't mean the evidence isn't there.

It doesn't mean the American people can't, won't be, and shouldn't be informed by the evidence presented to the jury.

We still will have that.

The best of the Glenn Beck program.

Well, it is a pleasure to welcome on the program the author of Here's the Deal and former Trump campaign manager, former senior counselor to President Trump, Kellyanne Conway.

Hello, Kellyanne.

How are you?

I'm wonderful, Glenn Beck, and thank you for having me today.

You bet.

Good to hear your voice in person.

Yeah, thank you.

So

I have to start because this is the, I mean, I'm sorry, but this is the thing that I've always wondered.

You and your husband, are you like James Carville and Mary Madeline?

No, we're not.

And I'm glad you asked that question because other people just write it and they presume it.

That's not what this is.

He was never a Democrat working against my Republican presidential candidate.

That would be James Carville, who helped make Bill Clinton's career, Mary Madeline, very smart Republican strategist who worked for the Bushes and others.

In this case, George and I both were of a single mind that Donald Trump had to beat Hillary Clinton and become President of the United States.

George was incredibly supportive, even helpful, combined the campaign many nights after leaving his own job a few blocks away from Trump Tower.

And I write in the book, this new book, Here's the Deal, Glenn, great beach read, great Father's Day gift, get get on it folks.

I write there very explicitly that people say without Kellyanne Conway, Donald Trump would not have been elected in 2016.

That's debatable, but what will never be in doubt is that without George Conway, Kellyanne Conway could not have been the campaign manager in those closing months of 2016 to the extent I was.

He encouraged, if not insisted, me to take my shot.

George was the only person I told in the hours after

Mr.

Trump offered me the campaign management job.

And he said, Kellyanne, you're doing this.

He can actually win with you.

And I'll help out more at home.

And he did.

And so people just need to know the facts.

And George and I had something else in common and not just as parents of these four wonderful children, Glenn Beck, but we had in common that we both accepted big jobs in the Trump administration.

Everyone knows my job.

They saw me out there again and again.

But George had accepted a position, a nomination as the head of the civil division of the U.S.

Department of Justice.

That's a big job.

And he did that.

Now, he changed his mind about Donald Trump.

This is America.

We can all do that, Glenn Beck.

You can change your mind about Donald Trump, about politics, about what you're having for dinner, whatever it is.

But to do it in such a public way was so not George and was so not helpful to his wife and to our family.

Why did he feel it was necessary?

You say it wasn't like him.

Can you get into that?

Why did he feel it was so necessary?

Oh, I think people who change their mind about Donald Trump and people who are already congenitally afflicted with Trump derangement syndrome, for which there are no therapeutics and no vaccine,

look around, there certainly isn't, they feel duty-bound to express that publicly because they find an immediate and equally vociferous, hungry audience in so doing.

But as I put in my book, you know, I miss the privately brilliant George Conway, not the publicly

bombastic one that he had become.

And listen, George is a very smart person.

He graduated Harvard at 20, graduated Yale Law School at 23, made partner at the premier law firm in New York City at 30, unheard of in these days after five years only.

Unheard of.

And we've been married for many decades.

We have four children together.

What this all comes down to is I don't understand what was happening.

And the reason I call it cheating by tweeting is because of how he was spending his time.

So if you have a side piece, if you have a guma, as the Italians in my family, the Italian men in my family did growing up, if you had a, you know, you have a mistress, you're spending time with that person, thinking about her, and meeting with her, and being with her, and planning and pretending you weren't with her.

And I just felt this was very similar in that this consumed an awful lot of his time and his attention.

And you saw what happened.

George Conway became a folk hero, but actually Kellyanne Conway's husband did.

I put in the book quantitatively that he was referred to as Kellyanne Conway's husband routinely, which tells you all you need to know about what their real motive was, particularly in those beginning months, if not year, which was to try to stick it it to me, to try to put division between Donald Trump and me, to try to get me to quit my job.

I was good at my job, and I loved my job.

I loved my public service job, and I was darn good at it, and I was very focused on it.

And I think the media who never knew, whose job, you know what, the job of the media, Glenn,

is, in my view, to get the story.

But they took it upon themselves to get the president and those around him, his family members, his senior staffers, and their families.

And they couldn't get enough of Kellyanne Conway's husband.

I have to ask just one quick follow-up question because you write in the book that Ivanka came to you and gave you, I think, two names of marriage counselors, and you guys went.

You guys are married, and are things better now?

We did not go.

I put in the book that we had.

Oh, you did not go.

I thought you had two names.

I thought she gave you two names, and he said yes to one.

That's right.

He said no to one, and then he sort of shrugged at the other, and we never went.

And the way I look at it is that I wouldn't be so public about something so private, except it's important to know that I take my marriage vows very seriously.

I've always been faithful to them.

And when I said forever, I meant it.

And it was very nice of Ivanka Trump, who, and I put in the book, Glenn, that, you know, I was talking to her about something else.

Our offices were right next to each other in the West Wing on the second floor.

I called the Cool Kids Wing, White House Counsel's office, me, Johnny DiStefano, and Dina Powell, Ivanka, and then Larry Kudlow across from us.

And she was very, you know, Ivanka's a very nice person.

She's very gracious, very kind.

And she gave it to me on a post-it because she knew I was open to receiving it.

And she said, listen, I've got lots of Democrats in my family.

I know how this goes, and they're making things harder for all of us.

And it was very nice of her.

But we never went.

And the reason I talk about it is I think that if George wanted to do that, he would have done that because that's

the way he spent his time.

He did exactly what he wanted to do.

So I want to make very clear right now, as I make clear in the book, because I know it gets manipulated, is that George does not owe loyalty and fealty to Donald Trump or to the President of the the United States or to a political party or to this or that.

The vows were to me.

So if he wants to change his mind, he can do that.

This is America.

But changing his mind about me and that job after we moved our family there together, put the kids in new schools, accepted jobs.

And even when he took his name out of contention,

yes, out of contention for the civil division chief of the U.S.

Department of Justice, Glenn, he put out a statement, not on Twitter, because he wasn't a much of a tweeter then,

put out a statement saying, Mr.

President, thank you for this wonderful opportunity.

And of course, I still support your administration and the work of my wonderful wife.

A couple days later, he sent out his first tweet.

I put in the book that Sean Spicer, then the press secretary, is coming toward me in the East Room.

And he said, Did you know about this?

And he's showing me a tweet that apparently came from George Conway.

I have an entire chapter in my new book, Here's the Deal, Glenn, that says, but George doesn't tweet.

And that's exactly what I said.

I said, that can't be true, that he doesn't tweet.

That's a fake account, or it was hacked.

And then, and we all know the rest is history.

Okay, so you know, you mentioned that Ivanka was very gracious to you.

And that's the one thing that I don't think that never comes out about the president as well.

His children are very, very gracious,

but he is incredibly gracious and

warm.

in person.

It's like he's like a different person

when he's not on, you know, when he's not on stage.

Do I have that read right of him?

You have it absolutely right.

And I know that you've had contact with him, so you know this to be true.

You've had conversations with him in person, more than a few.

Glenn, it is absolutely true.

And if Donald Trump was not a good boss, let alone a good boss to women or a good boss to working mothers, of which there were many in the White House, I wouldn't have worked there.

Why would I do that?

He was a great boss, and he's very warm.

And I think Donald Trump will never get full credit for something he's never asked credit for, which is how many times he

positively transformed people's lives by picking up the phone, by making a call, by making his private jet available back in the day, but just connecting

need with opportunity.

And he never really, you know, he doesn't brag about that any more than the people who would run around in the comms department saying, I think you should, you know, go do an off-the-record ice cream stop with your nine grandchildren.

And he would say, well, why would I do that?

I enjoy them in private.

In other words,

he's very authentic that way, and he's very warm and gracious.

And even Hillary Clinton, I write in the book, Hillary Clinton acknowledged as much in a debate.

In one of the debates in 2016, Glenn, each of them, Trump and Hillary, were asked about the other, say something nice about the other, compliment the other.

And her compliment of him was, I don't agree with Donald on most things.

We disagree on everything, but he has raised really great kids, adult kids.

And then look what happened.

They went after them and still do.

But it absolutely is true.

And look, it's a measure.

If we can all be remembered for our kids, I think that's wonderful.

I said

when my daughter, Claudia, she was only 12, didn't want to move to Washington.

And of the four, you know, I say as a pollster, if you get 75% agreement on something, you're really winning.

But as a mom, you basically need to get close to 100% agreement.

So I needed all four kids on board.

And she was really the holdout.

And I really feel for her.

And she's a great kid now, almost a woman.

Claudia, you know, somebody in the Washington Post was doing a profile meeting and they said, well, we saw Claudia Common was on there with a change.org petition, stop the comedy kids from moving to D.C., what's that about?

I said, well, at least she's honest.

I said,

the rest of this country often pretends I'm a revolutionary.

I'm a changemaker.

I'm going to do this.

And they go to McDonald's every night in order number three.

And then I said, but, you know, at least she admits that she, at least she admits she wants things to stay the same and not move.

And they said, well, what do you say to her?

I said, I told her, she said, Mom, I don't want to go to D.C.

and be known as Kellyanne Conway's daughter.

And I said, guess what?

You cure cancer, and I'll be known as Claudia Conway's mother.

And that's very true.

And for Donald Trump, you know, he raised great kids.

We're all trying to raise great kids.

It's the most wonderful contribution you can make to society.

It is.

I mean, and I know, I mean, that's the one thing I knew the whole time was that his kids loved him.

And at the end, I'm not sure my kids would have walked through that wall of fire.

I mean,

they never abandoned him, at least publicly.

And I doubt that they agree on everything.

But maybe that's just me, and I'm not asking for inside information.

We're talking to Kellyanne Conway.

She has a brand new book that is out now.

We're going to spend some more time with her here in just a second.

If you want to pick up

the book, it's called Here's the Deal by Kelly Ann Conway.

It is out now

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