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We're going to talk a little bit about the White House correspondence dinner and the threat to the freedom of speech next.

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Imagine if we didn't have the right to a free press, we didn't have a right to our opinions online, because that's what's happening now.

If you say something in the public square, you can be shut down.

Well, that public square is no longer, you know, in the supermarket or in the town square.

It's now online.

Dare I say the government is trying to build a digital ghetto with a digital wall.

You can talk all you want, just on the other side of the wall where no one can hear you.

What happens when something like that is the way a country is run?

Well, you get things like this.

This coming in from the New York Times, President Zinping from China,

went on a big tour of China.

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Okay, so what happens when you can't say Rachel Levine

is is a dude, man.

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What What happens when you say Rachel Levine probably shouldn't be the one we're listening to when she comes out and says pediatricians all agree on the importance of gender-affirming care for children?

What happens when you can't question things?

What happens when you can't have an opinion?

See,

this is what the First Amendment is all about.

The freedom of speech, the freedom to petition your government, the freedom of press.

There is a really great book out,

the Know Your Rights and Know Your Bill of Rights book.

And I talk about it in my book, Addicted to Outrage.

And I talked about freedom of the press and how important it is.

It's essential if we are going to be free.

You must be able to tolerate

people saying crazy stuff.

And when I say you,

I especially mean the government.

When freedom of press was first and freedom of speech was first put into the Bill of Rights, it was challenged.

How far does that,

how far does that mean?

How far can you go?

Remember Edison, it was about 100 years later that he was like, I got a crowded movie theater because we're watching a movie.

Don't cry fire.

So, you know, it took took about a hundred years before we got to that.

But you can say fire in a crowded movie house.

You can't incite a riot.

You can't incite panic.

But I've been on stage in several movie, in several crowded theaters all across the country, and I have said from the stage, fire.

There are certain things like the press now is saying, Elon Musk, he's going to let people just say they're going to rape me and give me threats of death on Twitter.

No, no, that's against the law.

That's against the law.

So if you break the law by inciting violence, inciting a riot, well, then that's not freedom of speech.

That's breaking the law.

Well, what's protected?

Your opinion,

even believe it or not,

lies or things you can't prove about the government.

This is

this was really well thought out

about freedom of the press around the turn of the century in the 1800s.

They had the Sedition Act, and that's where the guys who just wrote the Bill of Rights were like, you know what?

They're saying bad things about me and the government.

I don't like it.

And so we went back and forth and they passed the sedition act.

Now,

Woodrow Wilson did the same thing.

He tried to do exactly the same thing and stifle people.

And now we're doing it again.

It rears its head about every hundred years.

And that should tell you something.

Politicians and people never change.

We're having the same argument.

So

how how do you punish people?

When

an author, an opinion guy like I am,

when a newspaper prints something and the government says that's false, and the government has all of the tools at its disposal, it can hide documents, it doesn't have to, for national security purposes, release certain information when they are the highest authority in the land,

and you're like, No, I'm telling you, they're doing this.

How do you prove that?

And do you want the federal government to be able to say, No,

you can't say that?

Would you want Nixon to be able to say to the Washington Post, you can't publish that?

Would you want the Pentagon to say to the New York Times, you can't publish those papers?

That stuff never happened.

Imagine, imagine how different it would be.

How does

a government

ensure the freedom of the individual and the press

if they're the arbiter of truth?

how do you do that?

Our founders actually came up with a couple of really good statements.

Truth of opinions can't be proved.

Allowing truth as a defense of freedom is like asking a jury to say,

what's the best food or drink?

It's an opinion.

So you can't prove the truth of opinions.

So opinion is covered.

A citizen should have, and I'm quoting, should have the right to say everything which his passions suggest.

He may employ all of his time, all of his talents, and if he's wicked enough to do so, in speaking against the government matters and using things that are false, scandalous, or malicious.

Despite this,

even if he condemns the principle of Republican institutions,

censures the measures of our government, and every department and officer thereof, and ascribes the measures of the former

and conduct of the latter, however upright, to the basest

motives, even if he ascribes to them measures and acts which never had existence, thus violating at one every principle of decency and truth.

He needs to be protected in his speech.

Holy cow, you want to know how far it goes?

That's it.

That's it.

This was something incredibly new and novel.

No government had ever done anything like this.

It was so radical, we're still debating it.

That's the key to our founders.

They were radicals,

so much so that we don't think of this as old dusty and irrelevant.

That is as relevant today

as anything else.

John Thompson wrote, the government cannot tell a citizen, you shall not think this, or that upon certain subjects, or if you do, it is at your own peril.

This was the first time the government

was the slave,

not the other way around.

The master

was the citizen.

We could tell government what they can and cannot do,

but we cannot have the government tell us what we can and cannot do.

Now it took about a hundred years before all of this was dismantled again.

Progressives

started to dismantle free speech in the way that it would help them and injure their foes.

But John Stuart Mill in his book on Liberty said, the silencing of opinion is a particular evil.

For if that opinion is correct,

then we're robbed of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth.

And if it's wrong, we're deprived of a deeper understanding of the truth in its collision with error.

Now, I brought up the progressives because the White House correspondence dinner happened this weekend, and nobody paid attention to it.

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There are 3,000 people that attended this, and they all gave themselves a big round of applause because they all showed their vaccination certificates at the door.

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So the president has always had press conferences.

And what changed in the 1900s is

the press used to work for the people.

Their idea was that the people in Washington, D.C.

are the guys who are corrupt and have power and are trying to steal money and power from the people.

Woodrow Wilson and the progressives changed all of that.

And they changed it.

In 1914, Woodrow Wilson decided, I'm not going to give any more press conferences.

And he was like, wait, what?

And he's like, I don't think so.

And all of the reporters went crazy.

And he's like, okay, I'm going to have them from time to time.

I'll have them.

But I'm inviting only the people I want to invite.

That's where the White House Correspondents Association started.

They started because they saw the White House as an enemy, and the White House was trying to cut off access.

And so the White House correspondents got together and said, hey, we're the ones going to cover.

And you don't tell us who's going to be in and who's going to be out.

Okay?

Then

Woodrow Wilson had this idea.

What if we just get them all together and we make friends?

We just bring them into our circle.

This happened around the same time they were starting with Colonel House, the best friend of Woodrow Wilson, when they started the Council of Foreign Relations.

And no matter what it is today, what it was started as was:

let's get the scholars, the politicians, and the media together to explain to them so they can understand and explain it to the people because the people are too stupid.

This is where you start getting the press looking down their nose at the average American.

Before that, it wasn't happening.

After the Wilson administration, they start thinking that they are better because they know, because they're informed.

They talk to all the experts.

They talk to the politicians.

They know who they are.

We just had dinner the other night and we made mad, passionate love after that.

And so that's that they start gathering as a group of intellectuals, politicians, and media.

In 1920, I think the first White House correspondent, there's like 50 people there.

In 24, Silent Cow goes and Charlie Chaplin makes fun of him.

But it was a very small group of just the correspondents, and it was a very small group.

And they would put, you know, back in the 50s and 60s, Frank Sinatra would show up and sing, but there was no comedy until the 80s.

That's when they started bringing the comedians on.

And the comedians

used to be neutral and kind of, you know, Jay Leno-ish.

So it wasn't, you know, nobody's hair was on fire.

And then in 94, Don Imus, a good friend of ours,

went on the stage and

started making fun of Bill Clinton and, you know,

cigars and

everything else.

94, it was 96, I think.

That's when

things kind of changed at the White House correspondence dinner.

Thank you, Don Imus.

But Don Imus was doing something that none of the rest of the press would.

He actually talked about it.

He burned everybody to the ground.

That's what should happen.

And that is exactly the kind of stuff this new disinformation governance board is involved in.

In fact, we happen to have the clip from the weekend.

Here's Mayorkis

cut number seven.

Here's this Secretary of DHS.

Will American citizens be monitored?

No.

Guarantee that.

So what we do, we in the Department of

Homeland Security don't monitor American citizens.

You don't, but will this board change that?

No, no, no.

The board does not have any operational authority or capability.

What it will do is gather together best practices in addressing the threat of disinformation from foreign state adversaries.

Hold on just a second.

Mr.

Secretary, follow-up.

Are you using any other agencies that do monitor?

Are you using agencies from other countries that will monitor?

They're not going to give you the truth anyway.

But whenever anybody in the government says, oh, of course, we are not going to, I can guarantee you they're already doing it.

They were already like, oh, yeah.

In fact, I knew that question was coming because I've been monitoring between you and your cohorts on the questions that you were going to ask me today.

Of course.

Of course they're monitoring.

I love how they blow it off as like.

Hey, we're announcing this big initiative.

It doesn't do anything, though.

Yeah.

Whatever you think it might do, it doesn't do those things.

It does nothing.

It's a no-total waste of time.

Don't worry about it at all.

Yeah.

Because it's only, it's a positive idea that does not accomplish a thing.

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So how are things going, Pat Gray?

Things are going well.

Normally, we had the White House press correspondence dinner.

So great.

Whatever you call it.

Can't believe it's still going on, quite honestly.

Yeah.

I went one time.

Oh, that's right.

Yeah, i forgot about that um honestly it was the scummiest thing i've ever been to i i left there and literally my wife and i say i i said i feel like i have to take a shower after that it was so

scummy this is not revisionism either this was literally the day after you said that yeah that would this is not like you looking back what was it during the bush administration no it was uh it was

the first year of the obama administration yeah bill o'reilly had invited me to go and said, come on, sit at the Fox table.

And I was like, really, Bill?

And he's like, yeah, no, it'll be fun.

And if it wasn't for Bill,

it wouldn't have been fun.

But we were making fun of it the whole time.

And it really, I couldn't get out of there fast enough.

It was just so

dirty.

It really is incredible that it goes on.

And it was, did they cancel it completely during the Trump administration or at least a couple times?

Trump was just not interested.

Yeah, he didn't go, and then it became canceled because of COVID.

And they say, I mean, the left has a narrative that the one, I think it was Colbert hosting it, and Trump was an attendee, and they were making fun of him the whole time.

Yeah.

And they say that that was one of the reasons.

The legend is that was one of the reasons Trump was like, screw it, I'm running.

I'm going after these people.

I've heard that.

Yeah.

I've heard that.

We should ask him that.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't know if it's real or not, but I mean,

that is the narrative of the left.

They're like, well, we should probably, you know, watch who we make fun of in the future because they'll probably be the next president.

I just think that now, you know, maybe you stop doing that.

You stop doing the whole thing.

Really?

Why?

Because

it's a little like, I mean, you've got Biden talking about his low approval ratings and what's you've got

Trevor Noah talking about everything looking up, gas prices, grocery prices,

automobile prices.

And it just reminds me of

Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

It's got that feel to it now.

You got Biden standing up saying,

my approval rating.

Anyway.

That was a good line.

That was the best line.

That was a good line.

That was really funny.

That might have been the funniest line of all.

But he's talking about his low approval rating.

These things aren't funny.

You know, you're the president of the United States, and we're in real trouble right now.

Yeah, they didn't do this during the Great Depression.

They had it, but it was very somber.

I think that's how it should be.

You know, gauge the room a little bit.

America is kind of reeling right now.

Especially with the devastating losses we have going on right now.

I mean, they could have at least done a funeral for CNN Plus.

At the very least, that's too devastating to even talk about that.

Great.

Oh, it would have.

That's what you would have done.

Oh, I would have.

I would have had the casket brought in and everything.

You bet I would have.

That would have been really good.

Imus really wrecked my chance of ever being a host.

Yes.

You know what I mean?

They learned don't put somebody who does talk radio on stage because they don't care.

They don't care.

They don't care.

Imis really didn't care.

And what, was he?

The host of one of these?

No, he was the, he was the comedian.

Yeah.

And he got up and he

burned the house down.

He made fun of everybody.

And then he was like,

you know, how Hillary is, how Hillary doesn't like it when Bill just pulls up a truck and just says, hey, babes, get in.

And they all get in the back of the truck.

And it was not good.

He doesn't care, though.

He did not care.

And he was on the air the next day saying, what did you expect me to say?

Right.

That's what I say on the air.

You expect me to not say it to your face?

Of course I will.

Right.

Although it wasn't as good-natured fun as they like.

It's only good-natured fun if it's directed against a Republican.

Yes, that's the only time it's okay.

Correct.

Right.

Because it didn't Bush.

Maybe it was Colbert that I'm thinking of, but like Bush had Colbert out at one of them or Jon Stewart or something.

And it was ugly.

And it was ugly.

Like, they just,

they didn't.

The tone of Imus's was exactly what you'd expect from Imus, right?

You know,

and like, I get the idea of a roast, right?

You're taking this person who's, I mean, certainly with Biden, I can't believe anyone's ever saying anything to him

that it's questioning him.

It doesn't seem like he's running

his administration like

a president that has any input from anyone sane.

Yeah.

So, like, you know, you get to get it, knock him down a notch.

I mean, like, there's something American about that, but that's not what happens unless you're a Republican.

Republicans, they're just mean to them, and Democrats are like, ah,

look at all the people who are dying from various problems.

Like, that's kind of the tone of it.

It really is kind of a

snobbish kind of look.

But you know, the American people don't care.

It's just, it is, you know, I was telling somebody the other day,

I really want the next president to have the attitude.

I mean, and Trump could pull this off.

I want everybody to know I'm going to destroy your property values.

And not, you know, inside the beltway.

If you live in northern Virginia or southern Maryland, I'm going to sell your house.

You won't be able to get shoes for your house because I'm going to go in and fire everybody.

I just, I want somebody who takes this system on.

Yeah.

And, you know, the Republicans, have you seen their plan?

Because I've seen their plan when they take over.

They're going to have hearings.

Oh, yeah.

We're going to get lots and lots of really good fundraising clips out of hearings.

That's going to be the highlight highlight of hearings.

If they actually win and don't blow it here in the midterms, which they should.

Really could, though.

They say, well, they could blow it, yes.

There's about a 40% chance, I think, that they completely blow it.

So here's the thing.

Hispanics are moving away from the Democrats

like crazy.

But they are not going to the Republicans.

The Republicans have only grown with Hispanics like 1%.

Where are they going?

Just independent?

Yeah, just

not not for these guys.

Yeah, because I mean, that might still get them the votes.

But I don't think there's not a huge vision that you see that I think people are excited about

from the Republicans.

The one thing that's...

Because they all have cataracts.

It's hard to have vision when you have cataracts.

It's really hard to have vision.

But like, it's like, I think people, what are people excited about on the right right now?

And it's pushing back against things like CRT.

It's pushing back against the gender stuff.

It's all that sort of defense type of stuff.

Now they're going, they're being more aggressive on defense, right?

They're putting on the press rather than sitting back in a zone, which Glenn did not understand that reference at all.

But it's one of those things where they're at least turning up the pressure a little bit here.

They're just, I think that's what people are excited about.

But there's no like, hey, here's how we're changing health care.

Hey, here's how we're changing the

problem.

Because as much as you don't like the Democrats, you want the Republicans to give you an alternative.

And they never do.

They never do.

They will say we're going to push back on things.

But where is the alternative?

I mean, I really want, we should put this together ourselves.

I just really want

a president and a party who says, we're going to fire a lot of people.

80% of this government.

We're just going to fire everybody.

And we don't care what anybody says, but it's time to clean this thing out.

And the best thing we can do is return power to the people.

So

we're just going to shut a lot of it down.

And

we're not going to do it through

fiat.

We're not going to just have the president do something they can reverse.

We're passing laws.

We're passing laws.

And you know what?

If this president doesn't sign it, fine.

The laws will be all passed, ready to go.

And the next president can come in and just sign away.

But we have the purse strings.

I would like Congress to say, you know what, we're taking our power back.

CDC can't do that stuff.

And in fact, we're going to take it back officially.

We, as a Republican House and Senate, are saying

no more of these bills that just say, at the Secretary's discretion.

No, these are the laws.

You want to change them?

Got to go through Congress.

You're thinking maybe like the American form of government?

Maybe we should return to like that.

Yeah, okay.

Because I don't know.

I mean, this weird concept.

This new one's kind of fun.

Yeah.

I do.

Where we just, we just take the power that's specifically designated in the Constitution to Congress, and then

Congress just says, hey, that power you gave me, I'm just going to give it to somebody else.

We're going to transfer it to someone else because the decision-making there is really like people keep calling us on it.

And we rather.

There's an election if Mr.

Barnes responsible.

It's just too hard.

It's hard.

Yeah, really hard.

You know, the communists have it really easy because somebody just makes a decision and they move on.

That's real government right there.

By the way, speaking of that, have you heard that Putin is going in for cancer surgery?

Yeah, I did hear that.

Yeah.

Okay.

All right.

If you were Putin, would you feel comfortable with being put out?

He doesn't even want to sit in the same room as his employees.

He's like 50,000 feet away from them.

You trust the doctor?

No, a little sleepy sleep time.

Don't worry.

We'll wake you right back up.

I mean, that is, that's a scary thing

for him that Putin's going under and could be for us.

Who takes over?

Medvedev?

I mean, Medvedev

would be the logical guy because he's so associated with Putin.

He obviously was the head of the government.

And, you know, when Putin had that difficult constitutional

situation where he couldn't run again, they're like, ah, let's give it to this guy.

And then when I come back in, we're going to make it so I don't have to do this anymore.

Yeah, I mean, I don't know.

They appointed someone new to to

do the war planning and everything while he's out.

I mean it is a pretty serious issue.

They said they'll he'll be out and they don't know when he'll be back to

would you take your chances though at this point with Putin?

I mean like it yes you could do worse.

But I don't think he he's no longer I think five years ago you might say okay Putin's really bad but at least he's a known quantity like at this point I don't even think he's uncertainty he's more unstable now.

Yeah, he's unstable.

He's doing it might be because he's has nothing to lose.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's dying, but he knows it, and he wants to make a mark before he goes out.

Yeah.

So I'm just hoping that.

Dangerous.

Oops, my hand slipped.

Yeah, okay.

Too much gas.

Oh, what happened there?

Holy cow.

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The Russian sanctions are about to get much, much worse.

It looks like Germany now has said that they will join a complete

embargo on Russian oil that only leaves a few states left to do that in Europe.

But there's something else.

Everybody knows that oil and gas production is

the number one driver of the Russian economy, between 50 and 60% of their GDP.

And so you conjure up visions of swarthy, shirtless, sweaty Russians carrying around giant wrenches on their shoulders.

Have I thought about this too much?

Opening up the oil and closing them down.

However,

this is not the way it actually works.

Russia owns all the oil and gas fields, but they mostly are operated by Western U.S.-based companies.

Oil and gas is Russian, but the extraction and refinement has been handled by Western companies using U.S., Canadian, and Scandinavian workers.

There are only a few companies in the world that can do what they do.

All three companies said that they would suspend all future projects with Russia and refuse all future contracts, but they were seeing out the existing contracts to see an orderly shutdown of the oil fields.

Well,

that's tens of thousands of workers who are now leaving the country.

Siberia, Mongolia, the North Sea.

Those contracts are now ending.

the wind down date is May 15th

it's fast

yeah they're saying now between what's happening in Europe and shutting down all of these

the ability to extract oil and to refine it and ship it that they'll very quickly go into a depression not a recession, but a depression.

They've already lost 10% of their GDP.

And they can't really make it up with India and China, which has been kind of their hope.

At least

that's what analysts are saying.

It's hard to know exactly.

I mean, they've said various things before.

They said the ruble was going to completely collapse and it did for a while and then it bounced back up.

There's some uncertainty, I think, attached to this, but it's hard to justify, I think, if you're some Eastern European country that is sending missiles into

this region to fight against the Russians to take their oil, isn't it?

I mean, mean, don't you

wouldn't, isn't there some moral consistency there that, you know, it may very well throw Russia into a depression, but that's not your concern, right?

If you're one of these European countries that is afraid of being invaded.

But as you point out, as Putin feels more desperate, as he feels more humiliated by this, if that is where this goes,

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The great-granddaughter of Khrushchev came out over the weekend and said, we are closer now to nuclear war than we were when my great-great-grandfather

was dealing with John F.

Kennedy.

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at least at that point, both of them knew you can't fight a nuclear war.

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Here's what she said over the weekend about, you know, not having a lot of fertilizer.

Fertilizer shortages are real now because Russia is a big exporter of fertilizer.

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And this may hasten transitions that would have been in the interest of farmers to make eventually anyway.

So never let a crisis go to waste, but we really do need this financial support from the Congress to be able to meet emergency food needs so we don't see the cascading, deadly effects of Russia's war extend into Africa.

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Our

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She's a recovering investment banker.

She is also the author of the book, The War on Small Business.

And

she worked across all kinds of industry.

She's an outsourced CCO

and a director on public and private company boards as a strategy advisor.

Welcome, Carol.

How are you?

I am doing well, Glenn, and happy National Small Business Week to you.

Yeah, thank you very much.

You know,

I never really wanted to start my own business.

It's not something that I was like, hey, I can't wait to do that because my dad was a small businessman.

And it's really tough.

I mean, I saw him struggle his whole life.

And then I did it because I just didn't want to work for clowns that didn't know what they were doing.

I mean, if I'm going to work for that clown, it might as well be me.

You know what I'm saying?

I'm concerned that small business can't continue in a country where we are teaching our kids to be risk averse.

It's certainly very difficult,

or you get the type of entrepreneurs who are delusional, who think that it's easy.

We all know who David Hogg is,

I believe.

And he was complaining on Twitter the other day how difficult it was.

He tried to set up an LLC, and boy, it was so difficult.

And why does the government make it so hard?

Oh, I hate these guys.

I hate these guys.

I mean, really, welcome to the party, David.

Well, I know.

And so, I mean, in a sense, it's almost a good thing.

It's almost like we should have a training program where anybody who's leaning towards socialism is required to start a small business just so they can see how difficult it is.

But certainly an aversion.

to risk,

more consolidation of power that takes away the opportunity to innovate and all of the barriers that the government has put up to make it more difficult to not only start a small business, but to hire your first employee and to allow a small business owner to succeed.

You know, it is not a good thing for economic freedom, which is one of the reasons why people come here from all over the world to try to start that business and live the American dream.

So, when the Fed is raising the interest rates to try to control inflation, the reason why this led to an economic boom in the 80s is because at the same time,

the government said, forget all this regulation.

Just go out and start a business, right?

Without that part of the Reagan plan, raising interest rates while piling new regulation on, that's really

a killer, isn't it?

Yeah, I mean, if you think about the Fed's options here and what they're trying to do in terms of slowing down the economy,

given the backdrop that we have of this messed up labor market and supply chain, chain.

I mean, the only way you're really getting a slower economy,

in my opinion, is if small businesses and to some extent big businesses, you know, just stop hiring altogether.

And I think the small businesses, since they've had such a hard time hiring, you know, can't survive or, you know, other things that make it very difficult for a small business to survive.

So the well-capitalized big businesses are going to be able to withstand this roller coaster, which benefited them on the front end, and they will coast through

and come out the other end okay.

And the small businesses that have been beaten up, you know, have been closed, didn't get the relief funds, and haven't been able to take advantage of that free debt because they're smaller in scale, are really the ones that are going to suffer from all of this.

Once again, Glenn, once again.

So

if I read this one more time, my head will pop.

I keep reading that the economy is, I mean, people are spending money like it's, there's no tomorrow because the average American just has so much money in their bank account.

I know that's not true.

Common sense will tell you that's not true.

Can you please put this to bed?

So the average, and we've talked about before, average is not necessarily the median.

It's often dragged up by the wealthy at the top end.

But the average American is in better shape going into this potential recession or stagflation or whatever, whatever it is that we're about to face and kind of in the middle of than they have been in other recessions.

The personal saving rate is around, I think, 6.2, 6.3%

as of the end of March, which was the last number that came out.

Now that is worse than where we were in 2019 and 2020 going into

the pandemic decisions, but it's not sort of horrible on a historic level.

We had people pay down a lot of their credit card debt

with the relief funds and whatnot since they were staying home during the pandemic.

Now that's starting to creep back up again.

So today

they are in better shape, but the trajectory, particularly with the inflation, as we know, is eating away at that.

So I would imagine that the personal saving rate will continue to decline.

We will continue to see balances increase on their credit cards.

And at some point, the consumer won't have that strength in their balance sheet and probably will also be making decisions to just punt certain expenditures because their core expenditures of living every single day.

day have gone through the roof.

So we had some questions come in from the audience, and I want to go over a couple of them.

Stephen Mary wrote in, you can write in, by the way, glennbeck.com/slash question.

I keep hearing about food shortages.

Some say that famine is coming.

My wife and I keep arguing back and forth.

She says this is really the rest of the world and not us.

Yes, food will be more expensive because of inflation, but we won't have shortages.

Which one of us is right?

So probably splitting that down the middle.

Certainly, there is a ginormous crisis across the globe.

We heard that clip that you played from the fantastic Samantha Power, who doesn't seem to care that potentially 40 to 65% of the world could be food insecure or face starvation because we don't have enough fertilizer.

Certainly, we are in a better position in the United States, but it depends on things going the right way.

I mean, we've seen that we had, you know, a bout of avion flu that we had to contend with.

You know, it depends on crop yields.

It depends on our government not just doing stupid things.

I mean, we're seeing them pulling feed out of

the farm in order to put it into gasoline so that they don't have to drill for more oil.

I mean, they don't make the best decisions.

So I wouldn't say that there isn't a possibility that we're going to have issues here because I think there is that possibility.

It just probably isn't as stark as it is in the rest of the world.

That being said, nobody's ever been upset for being too prepared.

So be prepared for that.

Worst case scenario.

Ron in New York wrote,

I think my job is secure, but so did my grandfather or or my great-grandfather during the Great Depression.

How do we know what's coming?

What is the difference?

And how do we prepare?

Is it smart for me to buy a house at this point?

So,

again, this is not financial advice, just some food for thought for you.

It really depends on your personal financial situation.

You know, if you're somebody who's still sort of living paycheck to paycheck or building up your reserves.

We don't know what is coming down the pike.

You know,

there are a lot of issues.

The big thing right now geopolitically is, you know, are these stupid statements from the Biden administration going to pull us into some sort of a nuclear war?

At that point, you know, all bets are off.

If we're just looking at sort of the inflation picture and the recession, I think the one benefit that we do have is that we have so few people in the labor market.

Now, granted, it may get many people off the sidelines as they see their 401ks shrinking and have to deal with more inflation.

But if you have a job that you are secure in, you are probably in a better position.

But it's always good, again, to kind of think through what are your second and third options.

What could you do if that worst case scenario comes about?

And then, you know, again, look at sort of the risk reward on the home front situation.

We are underbuilt as a nation in terms of homes, and that is long-term, probably going to support housing prices, but it doesn't mean there isn't going to be some variability in the meantime, especially with the increase in mortgage rates.

So, I would just spend a lot of time doing the little pros and cons and putting that plan together for your plan B and plan C, and, you know, wish you a ton of success.

I remember my parents, again, small business, uh, in the 70s, it was a nightmare because it was a lot like this um is it get do what do you i mean what do you think is coming is it like the 1970s uh and it just stays like this does

i mean nobody knows you know what i mean no americans have no

um

benchmark

yeah yeah but no benchmark to go back and say it will be like this we've never seen this No,

there are just a number of factors that are all coming together.

And as I said, I think that geopolitical wildcard is the biggest wildcard right now.

Assuming that we can get that piece under control, because as I said, if that goes off the rails, all bets are off here.

I think the likelihood is that we see a recession.

But because of the way the recession has come about and some of the other weird things that are happening in the economy.

I think at least in the United States, it's probably a shallower recession than we have seen

in previous periods.

Not to say that that won't cause real pain for people.

It will.

There will be people probably who lose their jobs.

Small businesses will end up closing.

But

I think that it will be shorter in duration

than it otherwise would have been if we didn't have some of these other structural issues going on at the same time.

That's fingers crossed, but there are a number of factors here.

The Fed between raising rates and shrinking their balance sheet, the geopolitical issues, and some of the other kind of issues that we're contending with.

That's just sort of a best guess right now, but we've got to stay on top of this real time because things could change really quickly.

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Jen in Texas.

Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

Glenn, thank you for taking my call.

My question is,

just recently, within the last 30 days or so,

my husband and I completely paid off our mortgage.

Was this a dumb thing to do?

Because now

we've totally, we're now debt-free now,

and that's a wonderful thing, but now we miss out on that tax advantage.

So, you know, I have to tell you, being debt-free is probably the best thing you could ever do.

But I hear this question, Carol, from so many people.

A, I don't get the tax advantage.

And B,

if we go into real inflation, doesn't that help me pay down a debt I had use of dollars that are worth a lot more?

I mean, they play this game.

Can you answer this?

Yeah, so, I mean, it really depends on how sophisticated you are financially and how on top of things you are.

I mean, the reality is that for most Americans, you're not going, oh, well, you know, on a real interest rate basis, this is a negative interest rate on my house.

And I'm really glad I have this capital to do these other things.

I never think it's a bad thing to get rid of your debt because that's just money that's going out the window.

And unless you have some other great investment that is replacing that same kind of return.

And right now, like, I'm just not sure where you're getting that.

You know, we're having that the stock market is in turmoil.

You certainly aren't getting that in your bank accounts.

So you know now you have it in that asset.

You don't have to worry about it.

You're not putting that extra money out each month.

And then on the tax benefit side, I mean, you go, again, I'm not a tax accountant, but they've changed a lot of the rules.

Like you're not getting that much of a benefit the same way that you used to.

They put a lot of caps around these things.

So certainly talk to your tax accountant.

But, you know, from my perspective, for just kind of the average person who's trying to do the right thing, getting out of debt is a phenomenal, phenomenal move.

And again,

unless you've got some other amazing investment that you know is going to return you more than what it is you're paying on your debt, net net, you've won.

Thank you so much, Jen.

I appreciate it.

That is the hard thing to, I think, for people to figure out or to really understand

how it's not that prices are going up.

It's that your dollar is losing value.

And that causes people to raise prices because their dollar doesn't go as far to buy all of the things that they need to buy, right?

Yeah, I mean, if you have a business, you have all of your vendors who have higher wages, higher cost of inputs.

So that means whatever it is that they're selling to you is higher in costs.

You're contending with higher wages and higher operating costs.

And you put all those together.

And all of a sudden your profit margins, which in most industries aren't that big, sometimes they're in the single digits,

starts to erode.

And so you say, well, either I have to pass this on.

to the consumer, or in some cases, they shrink the product that they're offering called shrinkflation.

The pizza that you get that used to be huge, all of a a sudden kind of looks like it's half the size.

Or they end up going out of business.

There are only so many different levers that can be pulled.

And that's, you know, that's how it ends up seeping through the economy.

And

it's why it ends up impacting all of us and being a permanent tax.

Carol Roth, she is the author of The War on Small Business.

You can ask her anything

that you want.

You can follow her on her website at CarolRoth.com or Carol J.S.

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But you can ask any questions, and we'll have her on again to answer questions at glennbeck.com slash question.

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Carol, thank you so much.

We'll talk to you again.

Oh, it's a pleasure.

Have a great week.

God bless.

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I mean, I don't want to be a worry word here.

So, Stu, I'm just looking to you to, you know.

Sure.

So, Germany said, you know, we can't, we cannot outright ban

oil from Russia because it would destroy Germany's economy and it would destroy the economy on the continent as a whole.

And

now he's changed his mind and he's saying we're going to stop all oil.

They've changed their mind on quite quite a bit recently.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Their entire philosophy of foreign affairs for the past multiple decades.

Yeah.

So

nothing to see there, right?

I mean, that's no big deal.

It's pretty

pretty big deal, seems like, to me.

Oh, I mean, I'm sorry.

Not a big deal.

Who cares?

It's way over there.

Right?

The thing that's happening that's bad is really far away.

Right.

And they changed their mind, as you said, on a lot of things lately.

And what could that mean?

i i don't know i certainly all good things of course

you know i believe it was the philosopher sheryl crowe who said a change will do you good amen

so in the last few days uh russia you know has stopped all the gas supplies uh as well and then again over the weekend said the risk to nuclear war is very real you know which i like coming from putin who we found out now over the weekend does have cancer, does have to go under the knife, and he's going CPC for we don't know how long as they do whatever to remove the cancer from him.

So you got a guy who

is probably going to die, knows he's going to die, wants to go out with a bang,

going under the knife.

There's a tad bit of speculation in there.

We don't know that.

That he's probably going to die.

I mean, he's going to die someday, I suppose, but we don't know that.

That's not necessarily the belief here, right?

The belief is this is just a minor, minor surgery.

And

the fact that it would explain all of the actions that have occurred over the past couple of months is totally separate.

Right.

And the fact that they've had like 56 visits from the radiology department.

Just the 56, though.

Yeah.

Just the 56.

That's like saying you think Joe Biden is, you know,

incoherent.

You know, what evidence do you have other than all the evidence?

You know, it's just the constant stream of evidence.

But other than that, what do you have?

Okay, so

he also

said over the weekend that any foreign intervention in Ukraine would provoke what he called lightning fast response from Moscow.

Now, I'm not sure what he deems

as

foreign

intervention.

I feel like we're pretty involved.

involved.

Now, we don't have troops theoretically on the ground in the country.

We don't seem to be firing these weapons ourselves.

We're just giving them to the people next to us who are firing themselves.

In all seriousness, Glenn, if you were, how would you take this if Russia was doing this to us in another country?

If we were in the middle of the Iraq war, let's say, and Russia...

is not only doing things, which we know they were involved in some of the

Afghanistan and we know they had involvement but they weren't doing press conferences every day bragging about how they were sending weapons to

we have we've donated 10,000 IEDs to the resistance in Iraq and they've killed all of these soldiers it's going really well no it would not go well we would not accept that we would not be thrilled about it now I'm not saying that

it's insane to help

I do think it's insane to keep talking about it.

I don't understand why we're announcing that we're sending them weapons.

I'm kind of with you on that one.

Let there be an air of mystery as to where these weapons came from.

Yep.

You know, we, we

officially, Israel does not have nuclear weapons.

And when we're asked about that, we say, what?

What are, I don't even know what weapons you're talking about.

What country are you talking about?

And that should be the appropriate response to this is, I'm not sure what you mean.

That's what when someone asks you, are you sending weapons into Ukraine to kill Russian soldiers?

You say, I don't know what you mean.

Is there something going on there?

So they had a bloodbath this weekend in Ukraine.

I mean, things did not go well for Russia again this weekend.

And they are just a few days away from May 9th.

Yeah, which is a big day for them.

Big day.

That's called Victory Day.

And they don't want to have record numbers of soldiers coming home in body bags on Victory Day.

So

that would be suboptimal.

Be suboptimal for them and probably for us.

Meanwhile, the military has now gotten an order.

I shouldn't say this.

Representative Kinzinger

said on, I don't know, ABC or whatever this weekend, something that nobody was watching, that

he's now drafted a bill and it's gone to Congress to authorize the president so he has better flexibility.

Believe me, that guy hasn't been flexible in a long time.

If they use weapons of mass destruction of any kind, the president has the right to go to war.

I totally trust Joe Biden's judgment on this important matter.

Yeah.

I don't think we should just write that check.

No, and I don't think that will happen, by the way.

I don't think Kinziger is out on his own on this one for the most part.

I don't know.

But it could change.

I mean, look,

you know, if they actually use, use, which, by the way, there's no evidence they're going to use chemical weapons in Ukraine.

I mean, they may.

I wouldn't be stunned if Vladimir Putin did it.

But remember, even in Syria,

they did what we did, right?

Where we're doing in Ukraine right now.

They kind of stood around and backed up the Syrians, but the Syrians were the ones using the chemical weapons.

They didn't even use them there.

Now, look, that

doesn't mean they won't do it here.

I would not be stunned if Vladimir Putin did something else crazy.

He's done many crazy things in his war.

He seemed to be losing badly.

Yeah, and one of the things that's interesting about the structure of this war with us giving them all these weapons, which we can talk about because they publicly announced it.

Oh, have you heard about the Phoenix Ghost kamikaze drones we've sent?

Yes, yes.

I love that.

Yep.

Let's get that on the front page.

What's interesting here is that Russia has a pretty strong military, but not as strong as maybe we believed beforehand.

But it is what it is, right?

They've had a lot of their important people killed, a lot of their best soldiers killed, a lot of their weapons utilized already.

They are constantly,

there's all sorts of rumors of them pulling people off the streets, basically, for this effort.

So their military is getting worse as this goes on.

The opposite is happening with the Ukrainian military.

It's getting stronger because we keep sending them hundreds of millions of dollars of brand new shiny weapons.

So

their resistance is actually increasing in its ability to execute the war, which we've seen happen over just the past week, where now targets inside of Russia, inside Russian borders, are being hit by Ukrainians with missiles and drones sent to them by Western countries.

Again, on military installations,

not targeting civilians like the Russians are doing in many places across Ukraine, but still, again, you know,

this is a country who went to its people this week and said, hey,

Adolf Hitler was probably Jewish.

Seriously, this is what they're saying.

They do not need a lot of justification

to do all sorts of crazy things.

And they

clearly would utilize this for their own propaganda purposes and have, honestly, what you would probably consider if you were completely neutral in this battle as a good argument.

that we are involved in this, that we are helping their soldiers die.

And while I agree that they should not be able to roll over the border of Ukraine and kill

tons of civilians like they're doing,

I can understand why the Russian people are looking at this and saying, wait a minute, we just had a special military operation going on here, and now they're hitting us inside of our borders with missiles and drones from the United States of America.

It shows they want

regime change.

Well, and we've also added something really super special.

There's now, I think, two or three countries that are like,

I know it's Sweden and Finland who have now said, you know what,

we really want in on that NATO thing.

Oh, that's good.

That's good.

So we got them

as well.

So now that's going to make the Russians even more convinced.

I mean, I, you know,

look, I think peace through strength.

But I also think you also have to look at your enemy.

And I think our enemy is wounded and nuts.

Absolutely nuts.

And think of that.

We've talked about this a lot in the framework of Islamic extremism when it comes to humiliation, that factor.

That is one of the most important times to Vladimir Putin and Russia.

Big time.

That's had been his entire desire this entire time.

They were humiliated by what happened with the fall of the communist regime.

We need to bring ourselves back, not even to communism, but back to the czar days.

Right.

And he,

when, if this goes the way it's going, this country they thought they could roll over and be welcomed as liberators, if it goes the way it's going, he is not going to just take it sitting down unless he's under from cancer surgery.

That's the only way that happens.

And man, I

think that's the thing.

You know, the thing that bothers me?

The possibilities here are ugly.

Do you know what bothers me is the press whipping everybody up into a frenzy?

That's what I don't like.

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I think this is a really important discussion, but does it feel like this is a discussion that Americans are having?

No.

It feels like it's happening in the ether up with the elites, and we're not really engaged in it.

I think a lot of people just see this as this, you know, this thing that's far over there and not really our concern.

We need to be worried about what's going on here.

And we do.

There's a lot to worry about here.

We have a completely incoherent president, massive inflation, the border situation's out of control, CRT, gender stuff.

All of this is real and a big problem.

When you talk about the entire human civilization and it is existence, this problem is right there.

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you never want an emergency to go to waste.

The things that can be enacted and done during a massive war are staggering and you never come back from them.

When you're looking at a party that is acting as reckless as they are, not listening to the average American, not watching the poll numbers, and they are just going over the cliff with our finances,

with our dollar, with freedoms, all of these things, these chickens are coming home to roost.

And what is their plan?

Yeah, it's scary because if everyone acts somewhat reasonably here, meaning like logically, you could see this escalating out of control.

Each side has reason to believe the other side is acting aggressively.

And I remember the Breonna Taylor situation where she was shot was one of the Black Lives Matter things.

When you look at that situation in depth,

one thing you notice is both sides acted really logically for what happened in the moment.

The police came to the door.

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The guy has a legal permit.

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What are you going to do in that situation?

You're going to shoot the guy who's breaking into your room.

The police officer gets shot.

Well, of course the police officer is going to fire back into the room and then Breon Taylor gets hit.

Totally logical on both sides.

On both sides, Every action, except for maybe the idea that the warrant should have not have been presented that way, but that was a decision made before the interaction happened.

Kind of the same thing here.

You know, Russia makes, I think, an irrational decision in going into Ukraine, but it's setting off a bunch of

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The Washington Post writes, with the emergence of the coronavirus pandemic in 2020, a number of states made changes to their voting systems to reduce the need to vote in person.

Those changes triggered a backlash from Republicans, in part because it was expected to increase turnout and in part because President Donald Trump was actively engaged in trying to cast mail-in ballots as suspect,

understanding that it was likely he would lose once those ballots were counted in the hours after the polls closed.

There was a concerted effort to push back on the changes aimed both at constraining access and at triggering a legal fight that would empower state legislatures to decide election results.

Trump and his his allies lost most of those debates.

The rules varied by state by state.

The turnout was massive and Trump lost.

That brings us to the new theory of how President Biden's victory somehow represents a successful effort to steal the presidency.

It's been percolating for weeks, quietly being presented to state legislative bodies and in conservative media outlets.

Next week, right-wing filmmaker Dinesh D'Souza will release a movie called 2,000 Mules that aims to force the theory into the spotlight.

Well,

Dinesh D'Souza is here to tell you all about it and to answer some of the questions that I guess they just didn't want to ask Dinesh in the Washington Post.

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Dinesh D'Souza.

How are you, sir?

I'm doing great.

Thank you.

Very excited about this movie, which will be seen for the first time tonight.

So

I know so many people who have seen it.

I've seen it.

People are talking about it.

I wanted to go over with you some of the things that you would hear

from friends that are just tired of hearing about the election being stolen on the other side.

So

tell me, first of all,

the theory that you are proposing and what you found.

Sure.

So,

the foil, the thing we're arguing against is the mantra that this was the most secure election in history.

This is dogmatically asserted pretty much everywhere you look.

And it's the basis for calling disputes about the election to be a big lie.

It's also the basis for digital censorship.

So, a lot is riding on this claim.

And

I work in this film with a group, an election intelligence group that is called True the Vote.

And at the time when lots of charges of fraud were flying around, many of them sincerely meant but unsubstantiated, True the Vote got a kind of a genius idea, which was, let us test a hypothesis.

And the hypothesis is that if the Democrats are going to cheat, they're going to cheat exactly where the rules changed.

In other words, it's kind of like saying that there were new vulnerabilities created by the sudden mushrooming of all these mail-in Dropboxes, the mailing of not just millions, tens of millions of mail-out ballots.

So if it's going to happen, it doesn't mean it did happen, but if it did happen, this is probably how it would happen.

And so what True the Vote did is they bought

cell phone geospatial data, which is cell phone geotracking, in all the key areas where the election was decided.

Atlanta, Georgia, Phoenix, Arizona, Milwaukee, Detroit, Philadelphia, 10 trillion pings of cell phones.

And our cell phone Glenn has apps that enable the exact location at a given moment of time to be known about that phone.

And if you buy the cell phone data, you can track the movement of phones.

By the way, this is used by law enforcement, it's used by intelligence agencies.

Frankly, if you walk into a mall and you get a notification saying, hey, there's a special at the Apple store, well, how they know you're there, they're tracking your phone.

So it's this exact same technology.

And what True the Vote did is they ran a search algorithm.

And they were looking for mules.

Now, what's a mule?

A paid political operative hired to deliver fraudulent votes to mail in drop boxes, by the way, typically in the middle of the night.

And they were looking for mules who went to 10 or more drop boxes.

Now, this is key.

And it's key because you might have a legitimate reason to go to two drop boxes, right?

You went to one, you dropped off your ballot.

You went to the second, and by mistake, you just had to tie your shoelace, and so you're found at the second location.

But who has a rational reason to go to ten or more drop boxes?

So the idea is, let's try to catch the most egregious or most industrious mules.

And in these five areas that I mentioned, there are at least 2,000 mules.

That's where I get the title for the movie, 2,000 mules.

The actual number of mules is, of course, much greater, because if you look for people who went to five or more drop boxes, the number of mules increases exponentially.

So that's the first line of evidence.

It's geo-tracking.

The second line of evidence is surveillance video.

And we're talking here not about some guy in his truck, you know, turning on his iPhone and capturing some guy dumping ballots.

No, we're talking about the official surveillance video from the states themselves and what it shows, and this is probably the highlight of the movie, it's almost eerie.

You can be, you're taken back to the days leading up to the election, early voting, election day.

You can see these criminals, and they are criminals,

jumping out of their car.

They look to the left and right, make sure no one's looking, and then they start dumping these ballots into mail and drop boxes.

So we've, we, in a sense, the audience can see the crime being committed.

They become eyewitnesses to a coordinated network of illegal ballot trafficking.

So they, I mean, I was shocked to see, I mean, wearing gloves.

They know exactly what they're doing.

They know exactly what they're doing, and so do you, just by watching.

Just by watching.

And, you know, initially when I saw the gloves, I thought, could it be, could it be that these mules are wearing gloves because of COVID?

They don't want to touch the Dropbox.

But then, this is what crushes it.

You realize that the mules initially aren't wearing gloves.

And then what happens is there's a big arrest in Arizona where the FBI busts some people for illegal vote dumping, ballot harvesting, and the FBI was able to find their fingerprints on multiple multiple ballots.

The moment that happened, the mules start wearing gloves.

So the word goes out among these left-wing organizations that deploy the mules.

Wear gloves.

That way you don't leave your fingerprints on the ballots.

So very often when you're trying to decide whether to believe a theory, it's little details like this.

You also know from seeing the movie, Glenn, people taking photos of the ballots being dropped in.

Not a selfie, not sort of a I voted, but who takes photos of themselves putting in multiple ballots if not to show their employers, hey, I was there, I did the work, I need to get paid.

So let me just go through this.

I'm quoting the Washington Post.

So let's walk through this.

First, the changes in the rules that were allowed, that allowed the election heist, they have those in quotes.

They are changes

that made it easier to vote.

That's at the heart of D'Souza's complaint and the Trump allies broadly.

Often the allegation isn't that fraudulent ballots were cast, but just that the Democrats made it easier to vote, and that was the election theft.

It's like complaining that your computer sold more widgets illegally because it lowered its prices.

That's not your case at all.

That's not our case at all.

What he's saying is something like this.

You have a bank, and what the Democrats have done is they have made sure by filing lawsuits that the security guards get three hours off every night, and they turn off the surveillance video when they take a break, and they've told the tellers, don't be too rigorous about matching signatures.

Just make sure that the scrawl is roughly similar.

So now I agree with the Washington Post that that does not prove a heist.

That simply proves that the bank is more vulnerable to a heist.

The beauty of our movie is we don't just show the vulnerability, we actually show the heist.

So he says, the writer, then D'Souza crosses a bright line in his allegation.

He's not saying that those collecting ballots and submitting there were violating state laws.

He's saying that the ballots themselves were fraudulent, that this amounted to hundreds of thousands of illegal votes.

If he has evidence to this, he's cracked the voter fraud thing wide open.

But there's no reason to assume he does.

Right.

So actually, Philip Bump, the guy who wrote this article, has not seen the movie.

In fact, he's been begging me to give him an advanced copy of the movie.

I'll probably send him one today.

Here's what he's saying, and it's a little bit of guesswork on his part.

What he's basically saying is that there is a difference.

What he's saying is that vote harvesting, which is essentially giving your ballot to somebody else to return,

is legal under some circumstances.

And that's true.

26 or so states allow some form of vote harvesting.

Now, California, which has, not surprisingly, the most liberal law, you can give your ballot length to anyone and say, hey, you return it.

You drop it off.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: And that would explain people coming

with a whole bunch of ballots.

I just collected them from everybody in the office.

Exactly.

Exactly.

Now, in the five states we're talking about, the rules are not like that.

None of them allow that kind of unlimited harvesting.

So in Georgia, for example, this is pretty typical.

You can give your ballot to a family member or if you are in a confined facility to a caregiver, but not to anyone else.

It is strictly forbidden.

I can't give my ballot in Georgia to my neighbor and say drop it off.

Now, even though those laws vary a little bit from state to state, here's the crushing key point.

In no state is it legal to pay anyone, let alone a mule, to go deliver a ballot.

The moment that money changes hands, you have corrupted the process.

So even in California, if I say to my neighbor, hey, Tom, go drop off my ballot, no problem.

Hey, Tom, go drop off my ballot, and here's $100 to do it, that becomes a fraudulent vote, an illegal vote.

It cannot and must not be counted.

I'm going to quote from the thing again.

What's more, even True the Vote doesn't allege the ballots themselves were fraudulent.

When the website Just the News covered the Georgia story, it noted that True the Vote was not making such a claim.

When True the Vote representatives testified in front of Wisconsin Legislative Committee, the group's Catherine Engelbrecht said so publicly.

I want to make it clear: we're not

suggesting the ballots were cast were illegal ballots.

What we're saying is the process was abused.

It's the difference between making and selling a product legally and have someone smuggle that product into another country without your realizing it.

If D'Souza's film shows that the ballots were fraudulent, that's a massive deal, one would assume, would have to quickly be presented to law enforcement.

But there's been no such investigation, and the group, the group whose data he's using says that's not what happened.

That suggests then that D'Souza's claim to Kudlow is not backed up, that the 400,000 illegal votes, itself a remarkable ascertaination of scale, were not that.

So I think what's going on here is that Philip Bump is

confusing the difference between a fraudulent ballot and a ballot fraudulently cast.

Here's what I mean.

No one is claiming, and true the vote is not claiming, and this is the distinction they're trying to make, no one is saying that the actual ballot, the piece of paper, is fraudulent.

In other words, they're not saying that somebody went to a high-quality copying machine and made hundreds of thousands of ballots.

That would be a fraudulent physical ballot.

What they are saying is that these ballots are not legal votes and the way we know this, by the way, is you look at you look at the these non-profit organizations and it's worth mentioning here by the way that many of these so-called 501c3 organizations are strictly forbidden by law and by IRS rules from engaging in any kind of explicit electioneering.

They can urge people generically to go out and vote, but the idea that they campaign or they collect votes for the Democrats or they try to advance a candidate or a party, this is strictly forbidden.

So here's the question.

How would 400,000 legal votes somehow end up in the hands of these far left-wing groups that would then need to hire mules to go out in the middle of the night and secretly dump them?

Why would they act in that manner if these were legitimate votes, plausibly picked up.

They just got them from people who said, yeah, here's my vote.

You drop it off.

Somehow they ended up with hundreds of thousands of these votes.

Then the question becomes, why hire the mules?

So

the other thing about this is, Glenn, is that this can be easily resolved, this ambiguity, if you will, by federal agents raiding these nonprofit centers, by cops arresting the mules, and all you have to ask them is, where did you get the ballots?

Who gave them to you?

Where did they get them?

Who paid you?

Who organized this operation?

Obviously, we're not law enforcement.

We can't do that in the movie.

That's the logical next step.

But it's ridiculous to say, since we don't know where an individual ballot came from, it's kind of like if I were to show you a murder, and I'm actually showing you the murder.

And then the Washington Post is like, but where'd he buy the gun?

Where'd he get the gun?

And I'm like, there are 10 gun stores that he could have gotten from any of those.

They're like, yeah, but if he can't prove which gun store he went to, all he's saying is he can't show you where the ballot came from or where in this case the gun came from.

True, but there is an easy way to take that next step, and it's called Law Enforcement Needs to Spring Into Action.

All right, back with more with Dinesh T'Souza, his new movie out this week.

It is called 2000 Mules a Must See.

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We're here with Dinesh D'Souza talking about his new movie.

Dinesh, I'm curious if,

because you're talking about the prosecution of real standing laws, laws that are on the books.

Is there a little tiny bit of motivation here that just because the only time I can think of anybody going after any of these laws is when they came after you?

And then here's a real situation where an election might be on the line and people are very worried about the integrity of the election.

And here they don't seem to have any interest in it whatsoever.

One of the most fascinating questions for me is going to be: what comes next?

You know, here's this movie.

And by the way, you know, in my earlier movies, I always took a certain pleasure in people standing up and applauding in the theater when the movie ended.

That's not going to happen here.

I predicted tonight and then Wednesday night when we do our second theatrical showing, be dead silence in the theater as people sort of take it in because we do a very careful computational math.

In other words, it's not just 400,000 illegal votes, therefore the election was stolen.

No, you have to look at each individual state and see if the volume of fraud was large enough to have moved that state from one camp into the other camp.

So all of this is in the movie, and it puts us into constitutionally uncharted territory because while the Constitution lays out a procedure, the electors vote, both houses of Congress affirm and ratify, the president is inaugurated, the Constitution does not contemplate what happens if it comes out later that the guy in the White House got there because of not episodic, but but coordinated planned fraud in the key states.

It's never happened before in American history, as far as I know.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.:

So, when we're looking at this, you know, the real reason, because the Constitution doesn't say this, you know, what we do in this case, but it can

help us make sure the midterms and the next presidential election, this doesn't happen.

Where do we stand on any of that, Dinash?

Well, I think that the voter integrity laws that some of the states have passed do contain some good things.

So, for example, they strengthen voter ID requirements, or they say things like there needs to be more rigorous signature matching, or you can't let a private individual, Mark Zuckerberg, come in with $400 million and essentially muscle these counties and states.

Hey, listen, I got a bunch of money to give you, but in order to get it, you've got to put in these mail and drop boxes.

The media portrayed it like the cities wanted to do it, and Zuckerberg gallantly agreed to pay for it.

No, he used his muscle, the financial leverage to make these places do that.

So this all created the infrastructure for the heist.

And

yes, there are important things that can be done to prevent it from happening again.

In a weird way, this depends on the Republican Party and the Republican establishment, because if Republicans indulge in their, let's not look over there, we all want to move on, we don't want to really deal with this, we want to be the wildebeest that is eaten last by the lion.

If all that, if that's the mentality, mentality, then we are in deep trouble.

But if the Republicans say, what can we do to prevent this the next time?

There are lots of simple things that can be done, one of which is just have surveillance on every mail in Dropbox.

Should be done.

Should be done.

Tinesh, as always, thank you so much.

God bless you.

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We're talking about 2000 Mules, where you can find out where it's playing and

get a ticket at 2000mules.com.

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Interested to see that.

I haven't seen it yet.

But I'm interested to see...

What's your take on the idea that this should be the focus for the conversation going forward?

Absolutely not.

This should be the like, look,

not meaning Dinesh's movie, obviously.

I'm just saying, like, generally speaking, like, looking back at the 2020 election.

We cannot spend our time

doing anything other than fix the problem.

Right.

I would love a committee that is just going in, looking at it and saying this is how it has to be fixed, but that needs to be at the state level.

You know what I mean?

And let's say everything he found is true.

Great.

Let's fix it.

But this should not be the 2022 election or the 2024 election.

And what he's asking for here is completely reasonable.

Right.

Like the idea that we should have drop boxes that are not monitored is insane.

He's saying, like, we should have surveillance of every drop box.

100%.

Yes, definitely.

But like, to me, there should be no drop boxes.

No, no.

You have to hand your vote to a person in front of a camera.

That has to happen with every vote count.

That is not a lot to ask.

You have it staffed.

You don't need to drop off votes at three in the morning.

It's ridiculous.

Of course that's irrational.

If we cared, everything would be blockchain right now.

If we really cared,

every vote would be encoded by blockchain.

And then you would know.

It'd be assigned a number and a person, and it's blockchain, and nothing can be done.

Nothing can be taken out of the chain.

We know absolutely positively when it was cast, who cast it.

That But nobody really wants to play cleanly except the American people.

You know, everybody wants these margins.

You know,

get rid of gerrymandering entirely, entirely.

Nobody wants to do that.

You can, it's very easy to do.

You just break them up.

Thomas Jefferson and John Adams talked about it.

Do it the way Moses did.

Stakes.

You've got 300 families in an area.

It's a square.

In that area, 300 families.

When it gets to be,

you know, 500, you break it up into another square.

And

you have 300 families in every single square, and you just keep dividing.

Even if that means that's one apartment building, that's one district.

That's one apartment building.

You would be able to have much more accountability.

People are, you know, if you're voting and you're in that apartment building and that's one district because there's that many families there,

guess who's going to be running?

And you're going to know them.

And there's a pretty significant constitutional nerd debate over whether the house should be massively expanded.

Yes.

You know, because

they keep it at the same number and just get the districts larger and larger and larger and larger, where it definitely seems like the intent at the beginning was, no, it needs to be small.

So if there were 5,000 house members instead of 500 or 435, and that could be done

easily.

Yes, it should be.

And that could be done easily online with blockchain.

There's no reason why our congressmen, why, why are our congressmen and our senators going to Washington, D.C.?

Yeah.

Seriously, why are they going?

Does nothing but create problems.

All kinds of problems.

Lots of awesome perks for the people who get the jobs.

Exactly right.

They go to Washington, D.C., they feel all powerful and everything else.

They lose touch with the common man, and they're wined and dined by

lobbyists who build their offices in that one city.

Make those bums fly from city to city to city, district to district to district.

You can't just, I'm sorry, you got to go to the farmland in Iowa.

Hmm.

Sucks to be you.

Oh, we don't want to do that.

Oh, again, sucks to be you.

And again, you make it 5,000 representatives.

Yeah.

It makes that job even harder.

Even harder.

Right.

Like, it should be hard.

Right.

It should be difficult.

And there's no reason with the technology we have, all of this thing of the security,

continuity of government.

How is that system going to be?

It's all over the country.

So there's no place to blow up.

Then the most important is it's really easy to say, you know what?

This sucks.

In this community, this sucks.

And we've got to do something about it.

Well, I'm getting a bus trip together to go to Washington, D.C.

No.

Hey,

tomorrow after work, what do you say we all drive down?

You know, it's like three miles away.

Let's drive to his office because he or she is there.

Why aren't we doing that?

It should be more decentralized.

Yes.

You know, it really, that's the way it was designed.

You know, it really, yes, they had Washington, D.C.

It was a different time as far as technology goes.

And it's not to say that they can never get together there.

Nobody's having the problem with Joe Biden going every weekend to his house.

Nobody had a problem with the president flying to Mar-a-Lago.

What's the difference?

What's the difference?

Does he really have to be there?

No, you want to have a conference call with everybody?

You want to meet with somebody?

Okay, you can call people together to meet from time to time.

But why can't he have a private...

I mean, we do this with the Pentagon.

Are we worried about the Pentagon being hacked into?

If we are, we should probably double up on that security because they're hacking into it all the time.

But we have systems, especially now with blockchain, we have systems that can maintain security.

And please, please, I beg you to make the argument to me.

After forcing all of us into two years of Zoom calls that you can't do it that way, after shutting all these businesses down and not letting anyone go to the office for two years, now you're going to come to me and tell me you can't do it that way.

Yes, you can.

Look, it's a way to centralize power.

The lifestyle of a person who many times as a representative is not the coolest person in their, they maybe weren't the coolest kid in high school, to get be able to go to, you know,

to be wined and dined by lobbyists and business people and constantly asked for things and constantly rewarded with things in Washington, D.C.

as they're Mr.

Important.

You know, look, that's tempting to anybody, especially people who come oftentimes from a somewhat loserish background.

So look, I mean, you know, I understand why you'd want to keep that system going if you happen to be in Congress.

I don't understand why we would allow it to keep going as the American people.

And, you know, if you want to keep the agencies, which I'm not for at all, CDC?

Really?

Has that been,

has that done a good job lately?

Wonderful.

The Department of Education, how's that going for us?

How about the State Department?

They were great in Afghanistan.

Wasn't that great?

I mean, if you want to keep them, fine.

Just fire everybody.

Fire everybody and put term limits in for people who are appointed or go take a job there.

There's no reason, no reason, other than maybe a secretarial pool, which I don't think you need anymore.

There's no reason that people get a job in the government and then they make that their life.

That should never be anybody's life.

We don't need that.

It only causes problems.

That is why we have the deep state.

These bureaucrats are there for 40 years.

You can't fire them.

And they just do whatever they want because they grow arrogant.

Yeah, we'll outlive that president, too.

Do you know the name Sanford Bishop Jr.?

No.

Neither do I.

I had never said it before until Friday's episode of Studos America in my entire life.

And what I find interesting about that, because I was doing a thing on Marjorie Taylor Greene and how they're trying to get her thrown off the ballot and how this is really bad for democracy, like Marjorie Taylor Greene or not, horrible idea to throw people off of the ballot trying to utilize the Constitution in this way that it obviously was not intended.

That was the point.

But as I was going through that, I realized Sanford Bishop Jr.

has been a representative from Georgia since I was in high school.

I've been doing this job on talk radio for 20 years and have never uttered his name.

God only knows what he's done in those 20, 30, 30, 20, 30 years,

almost 30 years now.

But I mean, these people can get into office and stay there forever.

Forever.

They stay there until the day they die

in many cases.

And it's just completely ridiculous.

We have to come up with a

term limits is a big deal, but you're right.

It's the people behind behind the scenes as much as anybody.

It needs to be with all.

You should be able to work for 10 years, maybe eight years for the federal government.

That's it.

That's it.

Well, we won't get people to work.

Good.

And it'll be smaller.

Then you're not going to attract people who want to go into this as a life's work.

Exactly right.

You know what?

Like, we can all pitch in and work together.

And, you know, they're having a hard time finding,

you know what?

Okay, I'll go.

I'll go work in, you know,

the State Department for four years or eight years, and that's it.

And, you know, it's like jury duty.

I don't want professional jurors.

I don't want people who have learned how to milk the system.

Right.

Yeah.

You want people who are going to see this as a real period of service where they go in and they do something.

And quite honestly, a pain in the ass.

Yeah.

I want this.

Almost jury duty-ish.

It should be.

All of these jobs should be.

Aw, crap.

I guess I'll do it for a few years.

Jeez, I've been elected congressman.

I mean, Jim DeMint, when he was in the Senate, proposed a constitutional amendment for

term limits.

And I want to say, if I'm remembering the details correctly, it was two terms in the Senate and three terms in the House.

Still too long.

That's 18 years.

Okay.

Still too long.

It might have been four terms in Congress.

That's 18 to 20 years of service.

And I think he got 27 votes on it when they tried to push.

Of course.

And it's like you.

Because they know it's a gravy trade.

20 years

is not enough.

Now, of course, you could also be governor and you could also be president and you could also be vice president.

So you could theoretically extend this even longer.

But just in those two jobs, 20 years was basically laughed out of the building.

Laughed out of the building.

Because those people who are in Congress for more than

three,

they're all in it and they see, wait a minute, look at how much money these guys have made.

I can't wait to get to the top of the gravy train.

Everybody's shooting for their time to be like Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer.

Everybody's waiting for their chance to be the first one to put the slop on their plate.

It's disgusting.

And I give credit to people like Pat Toomey,

for example, who's a senator from Pennsylvania, who's leaving, who's saying, okay, I'm all done.

And he's leaving.

He's proposed term limits while he was in the Senate.

And now he's leaving because he's done.

And, you know, it makes the seat a little more vulnerable, maybe.

But you know what?

This is how it should be.

You should be making these decisions not based on personality.

You should be making these decisions based on, you know, the control of the power of the people who are manipulating the government.

When they're there too long, this is what they do.

Yes.

And the minute they say, you know what?

I mean, if I don't do it, who else is going to do it?

That's the sign they've been there too long.

Get them out.

Get them out.

When they think they're the only ones that can do it, no, you just don't understand.

Get them out.

No, I had to compromise because if I compromise on this one, then I can get them out.

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This is the Glenn Beck program.

Let's play cut one here.

This is the chairman of the Democratic National Committee.

Once you win a big election like we did in 2020, people think, well, everything's going to work out well, and now we can rest a little bit.

But folks have to understand that we can't pause.

Saving democracy is not something that you can just take a vacation from.

You think about the Republican Party right now.

This is a party that is built on fear, it's built on fraud.

And I would like to say it is also fascism.

They are tinkering on fascism right now in the Republican Party.

And so the Democratic Party, in contrast, Tiffany, has to be a party that is about hope.

It's about aspirations.

It's about providing safety and security.

Safety and security, which is not fascistic at all, taken to the degree of where we are.

You really could run MSNBC with a random word generator.

Like, if you just put in the word fascist and racist and sexist and homophobic and just transphobic and put them in there with a bunch of different pronouns and adjectives around them, you really could just run the network without anybody.

You automate it.

You could get tinkering with fascism.

Yeah,

you get tinkering on.

So we don't know if it was teetering

on fascism, could be tinkling on fascism, though that one doesn't make quite as much sense.

But I don't know if it's a good thing.

Have we talked to anybody with a dossier from Russia?

We don't know.

That's true.

It could be tinkling.

It's true.

It makes they just

make the same point

every day.

Over and over and over and over again and insert the new names.

I mean, we all know the truth that Ron DeSantis will be even scarier than Donald Trump.

Do we not?

Oh, yeah.

If Donald Trump.

If Donald Trump decides not to run,

Ron, Ron

runs.

Yep.

Absolutely positively, he's much worse than Donald Trump.

Much worse.

Much worse.

Much worse.

This guy,

he wants to just

kill black people.

And he's been doing it already.

We just don't have the footage of it.

Ron DeSantis is worse than Donald Trump.

An explainer.

Like, that is going to be the headline of 5 million big pieces from the left.

It's agonizing.

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