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Number 45 and probably number 47, President of the United States, Donald Trump.

Hello, Mr.

Trump, President Trump.

How are you?

Hello, Glenn.

How are you?

I'm good.

Thank you for

coming on and talking about this.

You are

some of the claims in this suit, the ERICO conspiracy,

injurious falsehood, conspiracy to commit, injurious falsehood, malicious prosecution, computer fraud and abuse act, theft of trade secrets.

The list goes on and on and on.

This is really not...

Is this about the 2016 election or is this really about what they did to you this whole time?

Well, I think it's about everything.

It covers a lot of territory.

It was totally corrupt what they did.

If this were done, and you know this perhaps better than anybody else in the universe, if this were done the opposite way, as you know, they spied on my campaign.

When I made that statement, everyone thought, oh my God, what a horrible thing to say.

I said, Obama spied on my campaign and the Democrats, and all hell broke loose, if you remember.

In fact, I put it out, and

I'd never seen it, I don't think I've ever seen a reaction, which usually means they're guilty.

In other words, you know, normally if they didn't do it, it wouldn't have that kind of thing, but they spied on my campaign.

If this ever happened the opposite way, if

I spied on Obama's campaign or on Hillary Clinton's campaign,

it would have been treason, it would have been

everything right up into the death penalty, and that may have been included too, but it would have been over.

It would have been the biggest thing ever.

But it didn't work that way.

So we caught him and we caught him cold.

And we've been just building it up and building it up and watching.

And frankly, we wish Bill Barr had the courage to do it or do it also, but we've decided to do it.

Bill Barr was so afraid of being impeached he didn't want to do anything he got at the end I mean he was petrified of being impeached so he didn't want to do a damn thing but you know how do you not get impeached let's not do anything and all of a sudden that talk started dying down but we we've been building this up for a long time The Durham report, you know, the early, hopefully it's just the early moments of the Durham report came out.

And that added to it.

And a lot of things are happening, a lot of things, but they all knew it.

I mean, look, Obama knew about it, too.

I mean,

it wasn't just Crooked Hillary.

But so we expect that names will be added to it as it goes along.

But this is very important.

But can you imagine if it were the opposite way, and I spied on, let's say, Obama's campaign?

And not only that, you know, much of the stuff, when you think about it, took place beyond the campaign.

It was when we were in the Oval Office.

I know.

They spied.

While we were in the Oval Office.

So it wasn't just campaign, which in itself is really bad,

but

it took place when we were in the Oval Office.

So

the problem here is nobody ever pays for anything.

There are no consequences anymore in government if you're on the right side.

And people are sick to death of it.

But

this is going now to

I think his name is Donald Middlebrooks,

and he was appointed by Bill Clinton.

Which is a conflict of interest, in my opinion.

That's right.

We have a judge who was appointed by Bill Clinton, who knows Hillary Clinton very well.

And we're suing Hillary Clinton and Clinton, and we're suing the Democrats.

And we have a judge.

This is the way it works for Republicans.

And this is this.

So I think it's a total conflict of interest, and that's unfortunate.

Yeah, this is the guy who threw out the lawsuit filed against Hillary over her using private email accounts and servers while she served as Secretary of State.

And nobody could believe that he threw that out.

Right.

Nobody could believe it.

So

what are the odds?

What is the plan?

How do you think you're going to...

I can't believe I'm asking this question because justice should be justice.

But how are you going to maneuver around a judge like this?

Well, I think, and I talked to the lawyers, they called up and they said, we have good news and bad news.

Everyone thinks this case is incredible.

And I don't think I've ever received more positive remarks from people.

They're so tired of nobody doing anything.

I know.

And we have them, and we've caught them.

And then Barr didn't act because Barr was lazy and scared.

And he was just he was scared.

Contempt, they were holding it.

They wanted to hold him in contempt.

You remember those days?

He didn't want any part of contempt, which means going to jail.

And he didn't want any part of impeachment.

They were going to impeach him numerous times.

And so

he didn't do his job.

But if frankly, and it's very sad that he didn't, because this case is incredible.

No, we have a judge who was appointed by the Clintons and who threw out stuff like

it was waste paper.

And

it's very unfair.

So, Mr.

President, you have government officials like Orr, Comey, McCabe,

seemingly actively engaging in this we're waiting for the the Durham report

but you have Bruce Orr funneling the steel dossier to the DOJ and the FBI they knew that it was false

they need a harsher punishment than just a lawsuit but do you have any confidence that the Justice Department now is anything other than a political organ

well it would be wonderful we'll have to see and uh you know, we had this was accumulating for a long time.

It's, you know, one of those things we're going to have to see.

We're hitting them very hard.

More and more information is coming out.

Even since we filed it, all of a sudden people are calling.

People are so happy that a case is finally being filed against these people where they,

you know, the two lovers, they go out and then they sue the government because they haven't been treated well, and yet they were using servers and everything else.

The whole thing is crazy.

So I said,

I've got to do it.

You know, I'd rather not have to do this.

I'd rather have government handle it.

This should be handled by government, but it can be handled by us very strongly.

And this is a very strong case.

People that read this case said, wow, this is a strong case.

And this case will build.

Now, the problem we have, though, is if you have a judge that's going to throw out the case and you have to go through appeals, I think you have

a great appeal section, but we'll see.

But

it's very affair.

So we'll probably ask for a recusal,

maybe a change of venue, but not a change as much as a recusal.

I think it is amazing.

One of the defendants in the case is a former State Department official and spokesperson for Clinton, Philip Reigns, and he said, he tweeted yesterday.

I think this is hysterical.

He looks forward to deposing President Trump.

I don't see, I'm not too concerned.

They're laughing at this.

And I have to tell you, just as a spectator here,

you are probably the most investigated man on planet Earth.

Every single intelligence agency, at least in five eyes, and I'll bet you it's all around the world, every newspaper, every reporter, every journalist have dug through everything,

and you're pretty clean.

So what do they think they're going to get from you in a deposition?

Yeah, beyond pretty clean.

I have a friend, a very successful guy, said, you're the cleanest man in history.

I mean, how about this, where Paul Weiss, a big law firm, that's a total Democrat Hillary Clinton firm, sends one of their partners, Robert Schumer heads it, or one of the big partners, Robert Schumer, that's Chuck Schumer's brother, sends one of their big partners into the Manhattan DA's office.

take two of our people and three of our people, you top, you know, smart young guys,

and go into the Manhattan DA's office.

Never never happened before because they have hundreds of lawyers, do a good job.

They took their partner, top guy,

an anti-Trump, a Trump hater, like you wouldn't believe.

All of them made massive contributions.

One of the biggest donors, that firm to Hillary Clinton, put him in the DA's office to prosecute Trump.

Let's get Trump.

Now we can get him.

And Vance, Cy Vance, whose father sold the Panama Canal, as you know, for $1,

in the worst, perhaps the single worst business transaction ever made for our country.

And Cy Vance,

instead of using one of his hundreds and hundreds of lawyers, of course, he used 20% of, I heard close to 20% of the DA's office, hundreds of lawyers, 20% was using it on this, a set of the murders, the drug dealers, the crime, the street crime in New York, which is at a record level.

They were all focused on getting Trump.

But how would you like it?

And in all fairness, the new gentleman who came in, Alvin Bragg,

who is a

considered liberal, he looked at this thing and, I mean, I'm reading the papers, but what he said is such an honorable thing.

He couldn't believe it.

I heard he was very disturbed by the fact that they sent a team of Hillary Clinton Trump haters in to prosecute Trump

from a firm that's that's 100%, you know, that's totally against.

It's one of the main Democrat firms.

I think the main Democrat firm.

And I think they have tremendous legal liability.

But he sent this sleaze bag in to get Trump.

Think of this.

They sent this guy in to get Donald Trump.

So he acted as a prosecutor.

He's a never Trumper

who contributed to.

So it continues.

But Alvin Bragg saw that.

And he also saw.

By the way, the banks weren't hurt.

Trump's statement is very powerful.

I have a great statement.

My statement is so strong.

And all of the other things.

And

think of that.

They sent a Trump hater to act as the DA to bring down Donald Trump, and they still couldn't find anything.

I will.

I got to live with this.

Hey, Glenn, and I got to live this life.

I know.

And I did a great job as president.

Right now, you wouldn't be in Ukraine 100%.

Russia would not be there.

100%.

And I spoke to Putin about it.

I know Putin's attitude toward Ukraine better than anybody but his closest girlfriend, okay?

I know his attitude.

I know all about him in Ukraine.

I said, don't ever do it.

Don't ever do it.

And I told him why, and I'm not going to tell you right now, but I'll tell you at the right time.

But he would have never, ever made the move.

So we have a rigged election, and because of a rigged election, we have...

potentially millions of people dying because this could spiral into a nuclear war.

I think it's the most dangerous time in the history of this world because of nuclear, because we've never had power like this.

And I think that right now we're, and we have a president that's grossly incompetent, that's being laughed at over there, that has no relationship.

He just sits there.

Everyone's talking, screaming, and, you know, the other leaders, they're all at the top of their game, and he's just watching them talk.

The whole thing is horrible.

This should have never happened.

Ukraine should have never happened.

I find myself in the weirdest position at night

praying hard for the health of this president because I think Kamala Harris would be even worse than this president.

When she laughed at the immigrants,

call them immigration, it's immigration.

And you see people coming in on stretchers with their arms cut off, with their face smashed, and horrible.

And she's laughing about it.

I said, that's just not the right person.

Kim Jong-un also tested a new ballistic missile.

He's having fun.

Are we looking at a split world?

They're now talking about the dollar going away and getting a new digital curve.

I mean, this is insanity.

And I don't think people understand

what this administration has done with these sanctions that will crush the dollar.

I don't think people understand how that's going to affect their lives.

That's true.

Well, I know sanctions better than anybody because they sanctioned the hell out of Iran and they were ready to make a deal until the elections.

Or we would have had a deal within one week after the election.

They were ready to make a deal and I had the sanctions.

But people don't understand that when you do sanctions, it hurts us as much and sometimes more than it does the country you're sanctioning.

And what it does is forces these big countries like Russia or others.

And that doesn't mean you don't do them, but you have to be very careful because it forces them to use other instruments, not the dollar.

They go different ways.

They sell their oil for gold or they sell their oil.

And all of a sudden you're saying, wow,

half the world is now off the dollar.

It used to be, you know, the currency when I left, it was very powerful.

As an example, we used very strong sanctions on Iran, the strongest ever used up until that point.

But that deal would have been solved and we would have been right back on the dollar and they would have been fine and they would have been everybody would have been happy.

That was all set to happen.

I'm sorry.

Do you think, Mr.

President, that

if this continues to spiral out of control

with Joe Biden threatening China, which is just a joke,

but do you think, I don't see anything standing in their way if we're busy over in Europe with this president of China just taking Taiwan?

Well, except the only thing is that Putin's done very poorly, and she is looking at that, and he's saying, I'll bet Putin wished he didn't do that one.

That one is not working out too well.

Let's see what happens.

The problem is, the danger is, does Putin say, all right, now we're going to escalate into the next level of military?

And you know what that is?

And do you think he would?

The world is a little, well, he doesn't want to lose, I can tell you that.

It'll be very interesting to see because he doesn't want to.

And look, I knew him very well.

This would have never happened.

It It would have never happened.

Now people say, what would you do now?

And there are things you can do now, but we had all the cards before he did it.

All the cards.

And I thought he was negotiating when he moved the troops.

I didn't, you know, I really thought it was a great negotiating posture.

He's with troops and he wanted to get certain things.

And they should have been able to do something, but

he wouldn't have done it whether he got it or not.

He would never have done it with me there.

But

he's a guy that you cannot have him lose face how do you give him a win here i mean how do you how would you solve this if you had to walk in right now

he's he's not going to he's not going to walk away a loser how do you give him a win how do you end this well see i don't think a win anymore is the nato thing you know that they're not going to go into nato because that's not you could have had that before they should have had that before but it was never put in all fairness it was never put on the table right you know there was nobody saying let's do this.

And certainly it should have been, because I guess they didn't believe, you know, they didn't think he was really serious about doing it.

Very few people did.

Maybe nobody except him did.

And, you know, I think he made a tremendous mistake.

And on a humanitarian basis, it's as bad as anyone's ever seen.

I mean, it'll take 100 years to rebuild that country.

And they're knocking down buildings and things that are magnificent, old.

You know, we have in this country 200-year-old buildings, and we think they're great.

They have buildings that are thousands of years old.

You know, it's like they have things that are very old and very beautiful, and they're gone.

They're wiped out.

A lot of things are wiped out.

Most importantly, the people, but artwork and so much is just that country is devastated.

It's going to take 100 years to rebuild that country.

Mr.

President, thank you so much.

Are you

looking

forward?

Do you see more things coming from the Durham report that will help your case?

Well, I think so.

I mean, it looks like he set a foundation.

And if you look at what he's got, these are Hillary Clinton people, and he's got a very strong foundation.

And you look at that, and now you look at the Times where they did, I thought that was another terrible story, really terrible.

They knew all about Hunter Biden.

They said they misread it.

They knew all about Hunter Biden.

Criminality made a 17-point difference.

But we won it anyway.

We got 75 million votes.

We got more votes than any sitting president has ever gotten.

I was told if I got what I got the last time, we got 12 million more votes.

I was told if we got what we got the last time we went.

So, you know, I think that a lot of things are going to be happening over the coming year.

You are very lucky to be doing what you're doing because your show is going to get very interesting.

So is the world, unfortunately.

Unfortunately, yeah, because much of it is sadly, I have to say.

Yes, yeah.

Mr.

President, thank you so much for talking to us.

I really appreciate it.

This is something that every American, I don't care who you voted for, how you feel about any of the people that are involved here, every American should care what happened

and the power that has been

gathered by Hillary Clinton and the DNC and how corrupt we have become.

We won't have fair elections and won't have freedom until somebody pays a price for what has happened.

Thank you very much, Mr.

President.

Appreciate it.

Thank you, Glenn.

And we have a very corrupt media.

Remember that.

I know.

Yeah.

Next time you're on, I'll ask where the media is in the lawsuit.

Thank you so much.

God bless.

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Mr.

Bill O'Reilly, biggest story of the week, sir.

Putin's losing.

That's the biggest story of the week, the month, maybe the year.

Okay.

What does that mean?

It means that the Russian

military complex thought it would go in in about 10 days and occupy most of Ukraine and that Zelensky would flee like the Afghan leaders did.

And none of it's happened.

And now, with the increased weaponry that NATO is sending into Ukraine, remember the whole western border of Ukraine is open.

Russians don't have anybody there, so they can get as much

armaments and humanitarian aid in there as possible.

So Putin

now is embarrassed because every military expert in the world knows that his army is not performing well.

And instantly, the defense minister of Russia vanishes.

Did you catch that, Beck?

Yes, I did.

Did you see that story?

Yes.

I wonder where he is.

Probably looking out of a window and then wanting to see the sidewalk at close-up distance quickly.

Or at the bottom of a lake.

Yeah.

Okay, so that would be like our defense chief, you know, Blinken Secretary of State or anybody like that.

Just disappear.

Floyd Austin, just disappearing, just gone.

Okay?

That is the signal.

That right there, that the defense minister of Russia has disappeared.

Now, none of the Russian people know that, and probably the Army doesn't even know it because there's no flow of information

inside Russia.

He knocked down Facebook and Instagram, and it's hard to tweet there, except the Russian government can tweet worldwide because Twitter hasn't banned them.

Trump is off, but the Russian government is okay.

Yeah, Putin's fine.

Donald Trump, absolutely not.

Hey, Jack Dorsey.

Hello.

Well,

I mean, he's probably still busy working on a reason to

kick the Ayatollah off.

I want everyone listening to us right now, all the tens of millions of Glenn Beck fans, to just step back

and just think that a former president of the United States is banned from Twitter, yet the Putin government is not.

Now, that is about as stunning an indictment

of any corporation I have ever seen.

Would you not agree, Beck?

I would agree.

I would agree.

And it's not complicated.

Even the ladies on the view could understand it.

You'd have to tell them slowly.

You have to go over every word with them, but they could grasp it.

Well, you had, I think it was YouTube that removed the

CPAC

video because the president mentioned that it was a crooked election.

Yeah.

Gone.

Gone.

Okay, so as long as we all know what's happening inside our own country.

But let's get back to Putin.

So there's little Vlad, 5'7, okay?

And you haven't seen him topless lately because he's now serious Vlad.

So he hasn't been topless hunting tigers.

He's clothed slaughtering Ukraine children.

That's where Vlad is.

He's a real macho man.

You know, the village people love him.

So, anyway.

He thought he'd roll in there and that the eastern part of Ukraine would be waving Russian flags and thank you for liberating us, Vlad.

You're the greatest guy.

And then he would occupy the key cities in Ukraine and do what he wants and they're impose some guy like they did in Belarus and Georgia that loves Vlad.

That's what he thought.

Now, there's no assurance that the Russian army will even defeat the Ukrainians.

And it's been more than a month.

The news today is that the Ukrainians have pushed the Russians completely out of Kyiv.

So they have gained ground on the Russians.

I can't believe that's a problem.

No, I know, I know, I know.

You can't believe any reportage coming out of Ukraine because the Ukrainian government, obviously, is going to go, we're kicking Sirius butt, and the Russians are going, oh, no, no, we aren't.

But what is beyond any dispute is that we are into week five and the Russians don't have any part of this theater

secured.

So, Bill, let me ask you this.

You know, when we showed the world how incompetent we were in Afghanistan, it changed every ally and enemy's mind about us.

What does this do for Russia?

Because we were always told Russia was a very good military, and they had completely updated, and they are better than they've ever been.

Really?

Excellent question, Beck, and I'm going to give you a surprising answer.

So, you have to understand: the Russian army are conscripts, they're drafted,

they're not signing up like the American Army, right?

So, there's these guys out on the steps, they're 17, 18 years old, they're all of a sudden in a uniform, they don't want to be in a uniform, they're not elite forces, and that's who's getting the

bulk of the the fighting in Ukraine.

So this is like, I mean, I thought Afghanistan was this for them, but this is like Vietnam for us.

And that's not against the American soldiers.

The forces in Vietnam were not incompetent.

The Communists never beat us one time.

No, no, no, wait, wait, wait.

But there's a difference between incompetent.

I don't want to take down the Vietnam soldiers by any stretch of the imagination.

But their heart wasn't in it.

Yeah, that's true.

And they won everybody.

But the U.S.

military performed very well under tremendously adverse circumstances in Vietnam.

That's not the case in Ukraine.

So these Ukrainian

fighters are far more motivated than the Russian conscripts.

But here's the most important thing of this embarrassment, military embarrassment for Putin.

She is watching this.

Now, Putin cannot survive on this planet without China.

Now she is going, you know what?

This might not be our best ally.

If we throw in with him, we're going to get economic sanctions put on us.

That's going to hurt China big time because it's an export economy.

They have to sell their stuff overseas.

If nobody buys it, the Chinese don't eat.

So now she goes,

look at this.

So I fully expect, because China is different from Russia, this is one man causing this thing in Ukraine.

One man and one man only, Putin.

It's not the Duma.

It's not the Russian people.

It's him.

China's different.

So Xi, who is the virtual dictator there, he's got to answer.

He's got to answer.

Putin doesn't have to answer, not now.

But when the military turns on him, which I believe will happen,

that's going to be the end of Putin.

All right, so let me ask you this, because that is a trapped rat.

And even, you know, you corner a cat and they pounce.

They will fight their way out.

And he is a uh he's a fighter and we've backed him into a corner uh i just had president trump on about an hour ago and and asked him this question so does he find a way out or does he amp things up and and actually consider things like chemical weapons and trump told me i don't know i can't predict him i don't know now well that's a that's a fair answer from trump oh i think it is how can anybody know how emotionally damaged Vlad Putin is?

We know he's emotionally damaged because no rational human being would do what he did.

So we know that.

But again, in order to carry out gas and nukes and all of this, the army has to do it.

The commanders have to do it.

And

Putin is in a position now where his main guy, the defense minister, obviously wasn't

performing.

He's gone.

The major commanders know that.

The Russian commanders know it, that he's out.

And are

they going to do that?

I'm not sure.

So I think.

Well, I mean, look at Project Valkyrie.

I mean, it takes a lot for you to turn on a commander-in-chief who just can kill you.

It does.

But when you're talking nukes and gas,

you know, when you're talking that kind of stuff, then Russia, the people, the military is the only group in Russia that can neutralize Putin.

No, the people really, the people can rise up and they can cause trouble, but they can't get him.

The military could.

So Putin's not nearly as strong as he was seven weeks ago.

So let me ask you this.

And I'm not asking you for a prediction.

I'm asking you for the most likely or most probable outcome here.

Do you see this ending quickly?

Do you see this dragging on?

Do you see him getting more violent or a coup, an inside coup from the military?

Well, I think that Putin has a few more weeks to do whatever he thinks he can do.

But the sanctions are really cutting into the supply chain.

We have supply chain problems in America.

Can you imagine the supply chain problems in Russia, Beck?

Yeah.

They can't get Big Macs.

They can't have a Coke.

They can't get

the internet.

Russia, you know this.

Russia is a very different, the big cities are very Americanized or, you know, Westernized.

And once they run out of vodka, I mean, you know, hey.

Yeah, I know.

I know.

So what I'm trying to say is this.

I think he's got a window, Putin,

of maybe two or three more weeks that

he's not going to be in a position of what they call

do or die.

die.

In that two or three week period, Zelensky has already signaled, look, we won't join NATO.

They'd probably give Putin a few eastern provinces in the country if he'd stop.

They probably would do that.

So I think that the odds are that Putin will say, okay,

I'm going to stop and declare victory.

And I'm going to tell the Russian people on

an announcement that the Russians are heroic and we freed all these people.

You know, that's probably the best odds, but nobody can really

know.

Nobody can really predict it.

But here's something that people don't know either.

The patriarch of the Russian Orthodox Church, 90% of Russians are Russian Orthodox,

Kiril is his name.

He is supporting Putin.

Oh, yeah.

It's unbelievable.

that this guy who's like the pope in russia oh yeah is supporting putin Because if he sees it, he's Ki Riel, who is bound for hell, hey, patriarch, you really believe in heaven and hell, guess where you're going, okay?

If he

would say, you know, I think enough's enough,

Putin would have to stop.

Well, Putin is positioned himself because of Alexander Dugan as

a defender of the faith.

Yeah, he's got the cross on.

Right.

Even when he's topless, he wears a cross.

I don't want to even think about that, Bill.

All right.

Back with more with Bill O'Reilly.

There's a ton to talk about.

You can stay the full hour with me, Bill.

Yeah, back.

You know, I wouldn't do it for anybody else, but for you.

I know.

Come on, man.

You're in Long Island.

You're probably in your boxers and you've got a metal detector.

You're out by the beach looking for coins.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Alex Epstein.

Oh my gosh.

President Biden is a fascist.

Oh, how can you possibly say that, Alex?

Well,

thank you for picking my most controversial and most literally true quote.

Yes, it is.

It's a long time.

Yeah, it is truth.

By the way, let me introduce you.

This is Alex Epstein.

Epstein.

He is the founder and CEO.

You got it right the first time.

Did I?

Epstein, sorry.

It doesn't really matter.

Alex Epstein, founder and CEO, Center for Industrial Progress, author of The Moral Case for Fossil Fuels, and it is a great, great book.

All right, Alex.

How could that possibly be true?

It's weird that the term fascism isn't used except to insult kind of pro-freedom people.

Yes.

But fascism has a literal meaning, which I indicated in that tweet, which is it's essentially the same thing as socialism, which is total government ownership and control of everything.

But under fascism, there's this phony ownership.

So you have title to property, but the government has unlimited ability to control your exercise of that property.

And in some ways, it's worse than socialism because Ayn Rand roughly put it as, you know, it gives you the responsibility of ownership

without the benefits.

Yep.

It almost sounds like the great reset, but I digress.

Go ahead, Alex.

Oh, yeah.

Well,

but I think it's important, and I'm glad you're highlighting the great reset, which is actually the great regress.

But the great regress is global fascism in particular.

So it's not saying it's become out of fashion to say, okay, well, we, all us smart people, are going to literally own everything and control it.

They're like, no, you can own it, but we have unlimited control, including we get to control every molecule of CO2, which basically means every body and every machine in the society.

So I think it's really important to identify fascism as a thing and for its negative associations to remain with it.

And I think it's why it upsets people so much when I do it, because they don't want those associations, but those associations are very deserved.

So there's some disturbing things,

like yesterday coming out from Larry Fink, the head of BlackRock, which is one of the leaders of this fascistic movement.

I mean,

in case you don't know, he just said the actions taken by the private sector in Ukraine and Russia demonstrate the power of capital markets, how the markets can provide capital to those who have constructively worked within the system and how quickly they can deny it to those who operate outside of it.

Holy mother, that sounds terrifying.

That's everything we said was coming.

That is...

fascism.

And what's happening is President Biden is saying, we're going to do everything we can to get these oil prices down.

No, he's not.

He's doing exactly the opposite, exactly the opposite.

And he's doing it through these corporations in a public-private partnership on ESG to not provide any of the financing for these companies to actually build the infrastructure or reopen the infrastructure to get things flowing again.

So you raise a lot of issues, and I think all of those issues come together in what just occurred a few days ago, which is the SEC announcing new, what they call, climate-related disclosure rules.

This is in the context where we have rising oil prices, rising gasoline prices,

and lowering security, particularly in Europe, but also concerns in the U.S.

And there's a recognition that we need more domestic fossil fuel production and maybe that those who have been opposing domestic fossil fuel production over the years are villains in this case.

And the Biden administration, that's kind of an obvious thing, but the Biden administration is trying to stretch all logic and say, no, in fact, we have done nothing to oppose domestic fossil fuel production, even though I've been doing this for the last 20 years, including as part of Obama, and even though I literally ran on, I guarantee you, we will end fossil fuel.

So they're trying to stretch this so much, but they can't help themselves because at the same time, they just propose these rules, which literally say that, which in effect, I mean, I should say, that every company under a certain jurisdiction has to acknowledge climate catastrophisms you have to say our CO2 emissions are not just causing warming but literally global catastrophe and you have to adopt practices that the government deems good and they specify particular things like renewable energy which really means unreliable solar and wind so if that's not fascism I don't know it is but it's it's even worse than regular fascism because it's green fascism which means green is the idea that human impact is bad,

which is an anti-human idea.

So it's anti-industrial fascism.

So the worst of all worlds, government control, but it's not even trying to make industry effective.

It's trying to make industry green, which ultimately means just we don't do anything.

So here's one thing that, because I'd like you to make the moral case.

But here's something that most people don't know.

When Trump got into office, Rick Perry was our Secretary of Energy, and he went over to Poland.

And Poland is somebody that was completely dependent on Russia for their gas.

And Rick said, well, how much gas do you guys need?

And he told him.

The president of Poland told him.

And he's like, I think we can get that from just Texas alone.

Don't worry about your gas problem.

We were shipping so much natural gas over to Poland that they were actually selling part of it because they had enough for themselves.

They were selling part of it to Ukraine.

That took everybody out of the Russia pipeline.

And Biden comes in, that's over.

We're not sending it now.

That's insanity.

Well, so there's just this basic fact, which is that the U.S.

has virtually limitless quantities of fossil fuel that we can produce domestically and abroad.

And this is true of the world in general.

So when you see price spikes and supply not meeting demand, you can be sure that's a political phenomenon, not a physical phenomenon or some like lack of skill or something like that.

And the natural gas case that you raise is a very instructive example.

Recently on my podcast, Power Hour, I had Toby Rice, who's the CEO of EQT, which is the nation's largest natural gas producer.

And he says, you know, we could be producing a third more natural gas if we had the pipeline infrastructure and the export infrastructure.

Well, who's been opposing pipelines and exports for 20 years?

Joe Biden, and in general, the anti-fossil fuel left.

So the idea that they've done nothing to restrict production is just an insult to our intelligence.

Yeah.

So talk to me about, I mean, because when people say, we've got to get off fossil fuels, getting off of fossil fuels,

even if we were building all kinds of nuclear reactors, we must have fossil fuels because almost everything in our lives has petrochemicals attached to it, correct?

That's true, but it's a relatively small fraction of fossil fuels, and it's particularly oil and natural gas that you can do that stuff with coal.

So you're right that the general idea of keep it in the ground, one major reason it's just totally ignorant and destructive, is because we have all these life-enhancing synthetic materials.

So if you want to keep it in the ground, that means the artificial hearts are never going to exist.

That means, you know, refrigerators are not going to exist.

Modern sanitation is not going to exist.

So

what it really shows is the just fundamental irresponsibility of the anti-fossil fuel movement.

But it's not just the petrochemicals.

The main thing is the energy, because fossil fuels still are a uniquely cost-effective source of energy, which means they provide low-cost, reliable energy for all types of machines, including heavy-duty industry and transportation, things that nothing else does right now.

And they do it on a scale of billions of people in thousands of places.

And this is a world that is dramatically underpowered.

We still have 3 billion people using less electricity than a typical American refrigerator.

And that's why I say I have a new book coming out in two months called Fossil Future.

And it is a fossil future, and we need to embrace that because the world needs more energy.

Fossil fuels are uniquely good.

We should be liberating nuclear, what I call decriminalizing nuclear.

That's a key thing.

But for human beings to flourish for decades and generations to come, we need to be doubling down on fossil fuels.

So, right now, it looks like the new Axis power, if it's cobbled together,

would include much of Asia, China, of course,

and India, maybe even Saudi Arabia and

Russia.

They're all going to double down on fossil fuels, which makes our fight for climate ridiculous, because you can't do half of the world.

But that's what we're going to do.

What happens to the West if we continue to go down this road with a great reset and choking to death all of our fossil fuels?

What does that mean for us?

I'm glad you're highlighting this.

In Fossil Future, I use the term unilateral disempowerment to discuss this because we're unilaterally saying, yeah, we're not going to be empowered by fossil fuels, but we're one-sixth of the world's emissions and declining.

So what happens is one-sixth

and declining.

Yeah.

And so if you look at it, it's really terrifying.

I mean, we're just getting a memory now of the 70s, which I was not alive and I was born in 1980, but I know the history.

People have had no idea until recently what an energy crisis is like and what you will do in an energy crisis.

But what you see with Europe is, look how cowardly they are in the face of Russia.

They won't do anything.

Why?

Because Russia can literally kill them by cutting off their energy supply because they were so irresponsible and made themselves super dependent on Russia.

This is just the beginning, though.

There can be far more control.

So there's the ability to cut off people's energy, but then there's also just the ability to have far more resources for an economy and to wage war.

A brilliant point, Palmer Lucky, who's the creator of Oculus, but also created the new defense company Ondarill, like one of the few tech guys who's really pro-American.

He made the point that, you know, you succeed in wars with a massive domestic production ability that you can sustain.

How does ours compare to China right now?

And what's going to happen if we keep mandating unreliable solar and wind?

And then they keep using 60-plus percent coal for their electricity, including to make our unreliable solar panels and wind turbines.

We're going to be, we'll be France at best, France without nuclear power.

Let me ask you this.

We keep talking about, you know, well, gas is so expensive, you just buy an electric car.

The electricity coming from the outlet is not a magic box.

Most of it is made by coal.

Some of it is made by fossil fuels.

Some of it is made by

nuclear.

But you cannot cut off the fossil fuels in our power plants.

How fast?

What does it look like?

What percentage has to be plugging their cars in before we, without changing anything, have an energy crisis because of electricity?

Yeah,

that's a great thing to raise.

You know, the Babylon B, I live in California still, and the Babylon B had this great headline when Newsom,

Newsom is just such a piece of work because, you know, by 2035, he said we're outlawing

gasoline cars.

And they had this great headline, you know, governor outlaws

like, you know, gasoline cars or mandates electric cars in a state without electricity.

That is the essential logic of what we're talking about.

We're going to say we're going to use all of these battery cars, and yet we're undercutting our ability to produce electricity.

And we're seeing even more than the canary and the coal mine mine with what's happened in California, with what's happened in Texas.

Just the fundamental thing that's happening is people are mandating unreliable solar and wind, and they are divesting from reliable power plants.

And in particular, they are not investing in resiliency measures.

That's a lot of what happened in Texas, where you don't weatherize things.

So while Alberta did great with worse temperatures during the week of the Texas crisis, Texas had a disaster because it spent $70 billion on solar and wind and the related infrastructure.

So it's a disaster to depend on

the more you have electric vehicles, you have to have an amazingly robust grid.

And yet we're mandating these vehicles and worsening the grid, which just gives the government total control and can lead to total catastrophe.