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There doesn't seem to be justice anywhere.

No justice, no peace is what people used to march and say.

Now, if you march and say anything,

you could get, you could be spending 10 years in prison.

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The organizer of the Ottawa truckers strike may get 10 years in prison.

And her crime, Stu, is what again?

Counseling to commit mischief.

Counseling to commit mischief is the crime that she may spend 10 years in prison for.

I'm telling you, you think these things can't happen here.

They already are.

Yesterday, we talked about a family who had

all of their income just taken, their bank accounts just closed down by the Department of Justice.

Their money taken.

They fought it for over two years.

Well, the woman that we were talking about yesterday was listening to us, and she's on the phone with us now to tell us the whole story.

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I'm looking at what's happening all over the world, including Russia.

We have a take on Russia that you're not going to get anywhere else in an hour from now.

It is something that I have been talking about internally and occasionally here on the program, but it is time for you to really understand this.

That's coming up next hour.

We also have the

Chinese social score system

that is now beginning here in America.

An expert on that coming up in hour number three.

And this hour, I want to talk to Amy Nelson.

She is the founder, the riveter.

The FBI seized her family assets without any charges.

I got this letter last night.

Glenn, I heard you mention my family this morning on your show.

I wanted to write and say thank you for noticing our story, which is almost unbelievable.

Two years ago, Amazon accused my husband of a crime called honest services fraud.

Although we now know that Amazon lawyers met with the DOJ 87 times, in effect, to persuade the government to charge my husband with a crime, but no charges were ever filed.

Nonetheless, the government seized our money via civil

forfeiture in May 2020.

We're just getting the money back last week.

I'm a trained litigator turned an entrepreneur, and this experience has been stunning at every turn.

We welcome to the program Amy Nelson.

Hello, Amy.

Hi, Glenn.

Thanks so much for having me.

You bet.

I'm sorry we didn't see your story earlier.

We just saw it this week, and it is horrifying, horrifying.

It is.

It's, you know, I'll be honest, I didn't really even know know that civil forfeiture existed before this happened to my family.

Yeah.

It is one of those things that everybody thinks it can't happen to them until it does.

And it is so unconstitutional and terrifying.

Tell me what happened.

It really is.

So my husband worked at Amazon Web Services for seven years.

Amazon Web Services is a division of Amazon that really builds the internet.

So the internet lives in these big warehouses with server racks, and people buy what are called instances on those server racks, and that's Amazon Web Services, and it generates billions of dollars for Amazon every year.

And in fact, some of their biggest clients, or maybe their biggest client, is the government.

It's our intelligence community.

AWS serves the National Security Agency, the CIA, the FBI, to the tune of billions of dollars every year in revenue for Amazon.

And my husband's job was supply.

He helped Amazon Web Services find real estate to build these data centers.

And

he left AWS in 2019 and on April 2nd of 2020, we got a knock on our door around 6.45 a.m.

We lived in Seattle at the time

and it was the FBI.

And that was the first time that we learned that a couple months prior, Amazon had accused my husband of a crime called private sector honest services fraud, which is depriving your private sector employer of your honest services.

And from there.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

I want to make sure that's usually,

I mean, it's hard to prove in the private sector.

In the public sector, it's usually bribery or you're leaving out information.

You're profiting on a relationship without telling the other side.

Right?

Right.

It's usually, I mean, it's usually used in the public sector where you have a politician who they say took a bribe to pass a bill.

Correct.

I believe it's pretty rarely used in the private sector.

It is.

And in fact,

it's been pared down very much.

They charged skilling, the CEO of Enron, with private sector honest services fraud, and that was actually overturned at the Supreme Court.

And it's hard, I think, the bounds of private sector honest services fraud, even the statute,

they're very still kind of unknown and being shaped.

They're treated differently all over the country.

But Amazon had never approached my husband about their allegations.

They never asked him about anything.

They just went to the Department of Justice.

So what was it they were saying he was doing?

So, you know, we've actually never seen the allegations.

Everything remains under seal.

So we don't know exactly what Amazon said to the government, but what we understand,

yeah, it's, I mean, just like stepping back, right?

For years, we had all of our money taken, and we have no idea what Amazon said happened.

Well, I mean, don't you have a right to face your accuser?

Don't you, I mean, you can't know why the government took your money?

Well, the way the process works, so, you know, my husband has never been charged with a crime, so he doesn't have a right to face his accuser because he's never been charged by the Department of Justice with a crime.

Now, when they took the money via civil forfeiture, the way it is meant to work is if they take your money via civil forfeiture and then they do not indict you with a crime, the government has to file a civil lawsuit against your bank account and the bank account is a defendant.

Now, the government did that here, but then immediately after they filed that civil lawsuit, they asked the court to stay, which means to pause the civil lawsuit because they said, Well, we can't possibly litigate this because we have a secret criminal investigation.

And so, we've just been in, we were in a cycle for years where we could see the allegations.

We couldn't even fight the allegations because we didn't know what they were.

This is so evil.

So evil.

This is

putting people, people, this is reversing American justice.

You are guilty until proven innocent.

It is sick.

I mean,

it really is.

And I will say, you know, I have learned through this experience, which has impacted my husband's career in an immeasurable way.

My bad.

It's impacted my career.

I'm just his wife, but it's impacted my career in an immeasurable way as well.

In America, I very much feel that you are guilty when accused unless and until you can prove yourself innocent and you have to pay to do that and I think that's something we really need to consider about our process and I think the other thing Glenn that's completely horrifying about this

this is an allegation made by a private company about a private contract related to private employment terms and can anybody walk into the DOJ and do that if I'm Amy that owns a hardware store can I walk into the DOJ and say, I believe my employee did X, Y, or Z and the DOJ will jump.

No, they will just take my word and move.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

I don't know, but I don't think so.

You know, what I know to be true is that Amazon has an incredibly close relationship to the Department of Justice and to our intelligence community, and it's very frightening.

How much does this cost you?

We have spent probably a million dollars.

And where did you get that million dollars?

They, I mean, they took, how much did they take from you?

So they took

around $875,000.

Now, they took most of that from our lawyer's client trust account.

We had sent money to our attorneys to pay for legal fees, and the government went into our lawyer's bank account and took it.

How is that possible?

I mean, I don't know.

I honestly, I don't know.

But our lawyers had already billed a significant

had

billed against those funds.

And so they repaid our lawyers what they had already billed.

So that was how we, you know, got that's how we paid for this at the beginning.

And then we, you know, my husband and I are in our 40s.

We're professionals.

We've worked our entire lives.

And

so my husband was able to keep working until the allegations became very public.

So

we were able to keep earning money.

I was still earning money.

And then we had to sell everything.

We sold our house, which we had worked very hard for the down payment for, and where we had planned to raise our four little girls.

We sold our car, we liquidated a retirement fund, and we borrowed some money from our friends and family.

Is there anybody that is talking to you about suing Amazon?

You know, I think there are a lot of people out there who think we have a lot of causes of action against Amazon.

I can actually tell you, Glenn, that we did sue Amazon, or my husband rather sued Amazon in Washington state court, and he won.

And my husband sued Amazon.

So one thing that Amazon Amazon did that I haven't mentioned is after Amazon had been lobbying for criminal charges for many months and no indictment or charges had ensued, but Amazon knew the government had seized our money, then Amazon sued my husband in federal court in Virginia.

So after they couldn't get the DOJ to bring charges, but after they knew that we had no money, they sued him, which is very cruel.

And I think it's a complete manipulation.

of the criminal system.

What happened to that case?

So that case, so Amazon sued my husband and then they didn't move their case forward for years.

They let it sit there

until another defendant in the lawsuit forced Amazon into discovery.

So we are now in discovery, which is, you know, Glenn, as we're sharing facts about the allegations.

And our depositions of the Amazon executives, my husband's deposition, my husband's depositions of the Amazon executives who accused him of these crimes will begin next week, actually.

And these real estate transactions at issue were approved by very senior level the highest level at Amazon and so there'll be some interesting depositions I think

where my husband can finally face his accusers and understand what happened but circling back to this lawsuit in Virginia

Amazon made my husband signed an employment contract that said that they would litigate any disputes in Washington state where my husband lived where my husband worked where Amazon is headquartered but Amazon threw it out the window and and sued him in Virginia because that was where they were seeking criminal charges.

But wait, but

how is that possible?

I mean, I have contracts.

If anything, if anybody litigates on any of my contracts, it is here in Texas.

If I litigate, it's here in Texas.

That's, I mean, that's common.

Frankly, I think that Amazon thinks they're so big and they have so much money that no one can go up against them.

I truly believe Amazon thought, you know, Glenn, 97% of people accused of a federal crime plead guilty because it's terrifying, because they can't afford to defend themselves, because perhaps the government will use civil forfeiture against them.

Perhaps they will, you know, lobby any other number of threats.

And so I believe when Amazon accused my husband of a crime, they just believed that would be that and that they would never have to prove any facts.

Because if you plead guilty, you don't have to the accusers don't have to prove anything, right?

There's no trial.

They don't have to actually explain what happened.

So I believe that was Amazon's bet when they started this.

And it's a good bet, right?

It's a good bet, not because of the truth, but because 97% of people plead guilty when accused.

And Amazon is represented by a former federal prosecutor who worked in the district in Virginia where they're seeking charges.

And I can imagine that that former federal prosecutor perhaps knows current prosecutors in Virginia and could call them up and ask for some help.

But so we sued, my husband sued Amazon in Washington state for breaching the employment contract, and he won.

The judge in Washington State said, you know, I learned the first year of law school that if you want to breach a contract, you can, but that doesn't mean you're not going to pay for it.

Right.

So we won that, which is, you know, great.

But I think, you know, there are other causes of action that I think my husband will have against Amazon.

I hope so.

Amy, what can people do

to help?

Well, we would love your help.

You know, we're waging this battle still against Amazon in civil court.

It's costing an enormous amount of money because Amazon is fighting discovery for the lawsuit that they brought.

And so we have, we're raising money at a website called NelsonsfightAmazon.com.

And we would love your help.

And we'd also just love help in civil forfeiture reform.

The government should not be able to take money and call it a crime without affording someone the ability to fight back.

It's NelsonsFightAmazon.com.

Correct.

Okay.

Good for you.

Amy, thank you.

God bless.

Please keep us up to date on this story.

I'd really like to follow it.

So anything you can share, let us know next week, will you?

I will.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

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It's absolutely an unbelievable story.

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Our COVID special a couple of months ago showed considerable proof that a cover-up was underway during the early days of the pandemic.

Now it's time to look into what was being covered up.

We already know that the government was funding the lab in China, but what else was going on?

We know and we showed you that U.S.

government funds were going through EcoHealth Alliance from the NIH.

But if you look at the total financing, those funds were a mere drop in the bucket.

And I think you're going to be surprised when we follow the money.

It is insane.

It turns out that FOIA diplomatic cable from the U.S.

Embassy in Beijing reveals what the government was really worried about in China in the years and months before the pandemic.

And now I'm curious how far was the government willing to go to ease those fears.

Tonight, we will show you the largest source of funding to EcoHealth Alliance.

a source that has a very shady past and even shadier partner, the CIA.

We have an insider that used to work with Peter Dasik at EcoHealth Alliance.

He has a shocking claim and if his claims are true, it completely upends the narrative that the government didn't know what China was up to in Wuhan.

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As you see how our government has changed and changed dramatically, and the way things are moving in,

well, all over the world,

it is important now more than ever that you get the truth.

There is a fight for the truth, and I'll go into this a little bit later on in the program.

The New York Times just released something that I can't believe I read.

First of all, oil traders are betting on an Iran deal.

Apparently, we're very close to a deal with Iran where they'll be able to sell their oil.

So that'll take the pressure off for oil.

Are we out of our minds?

Understanding the rise of gas prices in the U.S.

This is, you ready?

This is from the New York Times.

This is what they want you to believe the cause of your gas prices going up is.

A steady rise.

American consumers have seen the constant cost of gasoline going up, along with many other goods of services, sharply in the recent weeks.

The role of crude oil production.

Gas prices have gone up in part because of fluctuations in supply and demand.

Demand for oil fell early in the pandemic, so oil-producing nations cut production.

But over the past year, demand for oil recovered far faster than production was restored.

Really?

Is that what it is?

Additional factors at play.

They must have covered it here.

The price of crude oil is only one element driving up the gas price, right?

Compliance with renewable fuel standards can contribute to the cost.

The price of ethanol has increased, and labor shortages in the trucking industry.

Is that what it is?

Oh, no, there's also this, a global energy crunch.

Other types of fuels, including natural gas and coal, are also growing more expensive.

Natural gas has shot up more than 150%, threatening to raise prices of food, chemicals, plastic goods, and heat this winter.

And then there's this: the U.S.

response to combat soaring prices and their effects on inflation.

President Biden has

ordered a release of oil from the nation's emergency stockpile.

He also asked the Federal Trade Commission to investigate possible illegal conduct by oil and gas companies.

There's something important missing, Stu.

What is it?

I don't know, Glenn.

What could it be?

Gee, what could it be?

The closing down of oil pipelines,

the closing down of drilling, the closing down of

gas and oil.

I don't know.

The supply side?

Oh, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

All right.

I want to.

It's important that you know the facts so you can tell your friends because that's the garbage they're getting if they're reading the mainstream media.

And something has changed recently.

It feels to me like the mainstream media has completely doubled down.

When When Canada can say no bail and possibly a 10-year charge for the woman who helped

organize the trucker

convoy.

You mean commissioned mischief?

Yeah, commissioned mischief.

She's charged with commissioning or encouraging mischief.

And that apparently is a 10-year prison sentence.

No bail for her.

But the Antifa member that took his car and ran ran it into people at the truckers site that wanted to kill people, he's out on bail.

He's out on bail and he might face 10 months.

Things are changing and they're changing rapidly.

Now,

I've told you before about the World Economic Forum, the Great Reset, but there was something called the Great Narrative.

And they asked writers from all over the world to come to Dubai and write the Great Narrative.

Well, it is out now.

And

one of the writers in Substack

has reviewed it, and it's so concise.

I just, I want to read it here.

In recognizing the end of COVID mania, the great narrative is attempting to remind to keep us on the edge.

It's a grand call to take sweeping action to fight the climate emergency via Klaus Schwab's credentialed elite.

It relentlessly hammers home the apparent necessity of taking dramatic, tyrannical measures to intervene in the climate.

And by intervening in the climate, he means radically reorienting every nation on earth by imposing a totalitarian global governance order.

I'm telling you people, this is coming and it's coming faster than you can imagine.

According to Schwab, the world must rapidly be transformed according to the designs of the technocratic elite, and we must adopt the ideas and policy preferences of 50 hand-picked narrators interviewed for his book who he describes as global thinkers and public intellectuals.

Schwab describes the great narrative as a book that goes beyond the realm of theory and serves as a call to action.

Quoting, we adopt the view that as they recover from the pandemic and embark on a path to radical and accelerated change, radical and accelerated change, our societies and economies should be attuned to the needs of our global commons.

He entertains a variety of ideologies and political perspectives.

There is one group of people who are to be dismissed whole cloth.

That group is individuals and groups that don't buy into the climate narrative.

Schwab cannot hide his

disdain for these rogue actors, who he notes with disgust, are largely located in the United States.

According to Schwab, the enemies of his New World Order include nationalists, populists, individualists, and those who support free markets.

This is the guy who's bringing you the great reset.

Schwab describes this cohort of supposed evildoers as conspiracy theorists who are responsible for all the world's ills.

These individuals prop up, quote, anti-science movements that prolong the waning of COVID-19 pandemic.

He writes, adding that his group is, quote, this group is hindering both public health and more fundamentally, our ability to move forward in unison, end quote.

Nudge, shove, shoot.

He says

the eye needs to be kept on the prize and there is no time to waste.

Climate action, quoting, sustainability, inclusivity,

global cooperation, health, and well-being are the most important issues to address in our times.

Quote, not moving right away and decisively would render our biosphere so hostile as to derail global economic growth and further endangering political and social stability.

One page after another, the World Economic Forum chief, showcases the climate agenda.

Climate change is the, quote, greatest collective action problem we've ever been confronted with.

Humanity has never faced an endeavor more complex, ambitious, and far-reaching than arresting the collapse of our ecosystem and stabilizing the climate, end quote.

Klaus also shows off his unbelievable God complex as he frequently reminds the reader of his

apparent unlimited technocratic faculties.

He routinely reveals that he believes his group of colleagues have deity-like powers and that once they unite their overall expertise, these technocrats, once in charge of all of us, can bring about unprecedented happiness and order.

He considers, quote, inequality, particularly on the financial side, it is of the utmost importance.

But rather than create opportunity for the masses, he prefers a system of state control, which would, in his view, quote, reduce demonstrations and local unrest.

Schwab and his co-author advocate for a new social contract and propose a variety of solutions that will help bring the climate agenda forward.

He advocates for the consolidation of global central banks around climate action, acknowledging this transition period may be brutal to some.

They advocate for the harnessing of economic productivity through nature-based nature-based solutions.

They discuss the advent of the bioeconomy, or targeted destruction of reliable energy, while forcing people to eat alternate food-protein sources, i.e., beans and bugs.

Another solution is that of climate engineering.

I am not making this up, such as blocking out the sun in an attempt to manipulate global temperatures.

Klaus Schwab or Montgomery Burns?

I

know.

This is the great narrative.

This is the great reset.

If you don't know about it, please get my book, The Great Reset.

It is available, should be on bookshelves.

What's the date today?

20th, 22nd.

23rd.

23rd.

Should be on bookshelves again this week, if not next week.

Amazon is taking orders again, so you can order it and get it shipped to your house.

You can also get the audio book wherever you get your audio books, but please pass this information on to people.

Yeah, audio and Kindle are available.

And also you can get the first chapter for free if you go to Glenn'snewBook.com.

So if you want to get started, that kind of paints the picture as to what the outcomes could be.

Yeah.

When all this stuff goes through, what the world looks like if all this stuff happens.

And it gives you,

it sets the table pretty well for all the information that follows it make no mistake this is not capitalism make no mistake why would banks be fighting so hard to keep esg

if it wasn't ever going to be mandated by them Why when states are starting to mount a defense against this and saying you cannot use ESG

to make any loans?

You can use, you know, any kind of metrics you want when it comes to finances.

What is their job, how much money they make it, but you cannot look at their social score.

And banks are saying, we're not going to.

You've got to stop this regulation.

Why?

It's telling you you can do business as usual.

It's telling you also you can't use this.

If you're not going to use it, why are you fighting it so hard?

Why?

Why?

This is not capitalism.

This is to destroy the free market.

You're seeing the beginning in an emergency order in Canada.

It can happen overnight.

Call your legislature.

Get involved in your zoning.

Get on your city council.

Make sure ESG scores are out of your town and out of your state.

It is the only way to fight it.

Back in a minute.

A lot of good reasons to, gosh, you know, let's see.

Tonight we're taking on the CIA and showing

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So we're pissing them off.

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Alrighty.

so let's take on Putin now.

Putin is about time.

I know.

It's been almost an hour.

I know.

Let's make another enemy.

Well, I want to take on two things.

First of all, this is driving me out of my mind that the media now saying, Donald Trump just loves Vladimir Putin.

He said he was a genius.

Yeah, I think he is a genius.

Let me say this.

Let me say this.

I've said before, I think the great reset will be studied

for

decades afterwards.

In a hundred years from now, they will look back and go, that was genius.

I admire it because it's so genius.

It's so complex and so well executed.

I admire it.

I think it's evil,

but I think it's genius.

Donald Trump is not saying, yeah, I'm glad he took it.

He's saying, look at what he's done.

Look at at what he has done.

He has just taken two of these by walking in and saying, I'm a peacemaker.

He's flipped the tables.

I can't take it anymore.

Larry O'Donnell said yesterday, Twitter, what would make

the Russian oligarch Putin smart?

His weak education?

Oh,

man.

Ouch.

Colleagues and Russian experts who challenge his thinking?

Bubba.

Yeah.

Or has he had any valuable learning experiences anywhere else in the world?

Oh,

man.

You see what he's saying?

He's not an elite.

He hasn't gone to the best finishing schools.

I don't know.

The KGB finishing school is pretty finished.

It has a definite finish.

Yeah, it does.

I'm so sick of this.

Well, yeah, I mean, look, he's using, he's strategically doing this.

Now, look, he's trying to justify an invasion, but he's put himself in a position now that if his goal at the beginning of this was just to get these two regions, he's already done it.

Yeah, it's not.

I mean, it's not.

No.

And I think it's going to escalate from here.

But if he wanted to just get a win here and embarrass the West, he could stop right now.

I'm going to give you a deeper look on Putin and what is happening all around the world, including America.

With a guy I've talked to now for over a year.

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and has done his homework on a very difficult topic.

The

fourth political theory,

Alexander Dugan.

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He is the author of War for Eternity.

He is also associate professor at the University of Colorado, Boulder.

Normally, I would say warning

just

from the book and that he's a professor at the University of Colorado, Boulder.

However, I've talked to Benjamin several times over the last, I think it's the last year, maybe it's been longer than that.

He is watching something and very concerned about something that I am concerned about, and that is the influence of traditionalism as really defined by Alexander Dugan, a very, very dangerous guy who is actually calling for Armageddon.

He is actually believes that that's the thing that's going to solve all of our problems.

And I guess in a way he's right, but

I don't think the way he's trying to pull it together.

Benjamin, can I call you Ben or Benjamin?

Ben, please.

Glad to be.

pleasure to be with you this morning.

Thank you very much.

I know we've talked about doing this show for a long time, and we may have to cut this into two shows and then maybe even a podcast as well.

But I want you to let's start with Putin's speech and what he said

that I think only a few people really can pick up on that know

who Alexander Dugan is and what his plan is.

So tell me what we learned from Putin's speech.

If you listened, and good morning again, Glenn, it's a pleasure to be with you.

If you listen to that whole speech,

you could come away from it thinking that this was all about kind of dry policy decision-making on his part.

He spends a lot of time talking about the economy of Ukraine, spends a lot of time talking about the history of the Soviet Union, the Communist Party, some of the policy decisions that he thinks that they made wrong and need to be corrected.

But at the very beginning of that speech, he said something almost in passing that, yes, would I think go by unnoticed for for a lot of listeners and then he's he said that Ukrainians and Russians have a spiritual bond

between the two of them and

that

that tells me and it should tell a lot of observers that Putin is thinking in two ways and he's motivating himself in two ways there is this again this dry almost technical policy-based discussion and motivation he's trying to to push to the Russian people to say, well, we have to do this because NATO is going to come to our borders.

Ukraine perhaps has nuclear ambitions.

We have to deal with that.

The other piece, though, is that Russia has a sort of spiritual mandate to collect its lost children and to unite itself with the populations around the world that are its natural kin.

That is what stands out to me as I hear this, and that is what also makes this particular situation that we're dealing with today actually about something far, much bigger and much more intractable, I would say, as well.

Okay, so let's talk about Dugan and just define traditionalism.

This is something that if you

read the

fourth political theory,

there are times that you will read it and go, yeah, I kind of agree with that.

Because I think this is what Brexit is about.

I think this is what some Canadians feel.

I think this is what some Americans feel.

All over the world, people are feeling like, hey, you know, I'm French.

And,

you know, I think France is pretty great.

And I'd like to be French.

And I'm not embarrassed about France.

Same thing with Brexit.

They want to be British.

It's this feeling that we are being told that our traditions and our

country

is not good,

doesn't have anything special about it.

And people are pushing back on that.

All of our traditions are being threatened.

That part of his definition of traditionalism is,

I think, something that connects with people all around the world.

But that's not what it means, correct?

That's just a small piece of it.

And sometimes, you know, when we're exploring ideas, details matter.

You can have a sort of doctrine that is appealing in a lot of senses, but a small detail can turn it into something sinister.

So when Putin is referring to the spiritual mandates of Russia, that connects him with a prominent Russian philosopher, kind of of a mysterious mandate and a political operative named Alexander Dugin.

He has associated himself with a philosophy called traditionalism or the traditional school.

It asserts that time does not move in linear fashion.

That is to say, we're not necessarily progressing forward in a clear direction, but instead it moves in cycles.

And most of the time, society is degrading, save for one moment when there's an apocalyptic explosion and destruction of the social world, and we are reborn into a golden age.

It's that last piece, Glenn, that is so key here, because when you look at history in the way that these traditionalists do, there can be justification for Armageddon, as you put it, for destruction, mass destruction.

Chaos.

Just total and complete chaos.

Yes.

As

a sort of prelude to a golden age, a utopia that we're going to be reborn into.

That's one of the distinguishing features.

That is what is paired with this, I'd say, small T traditionalism that you were referring to earlier.

People wanting

to preserve and conserve

values and identities that matter to them.

This apocalyptic aspect of the ideology is what is distinguishing this way of thinking.

I will tell you that

Ben and I have talked off the air, and I've wanted to do this show for a while, but I have waited until I think people are in the right frame of mind to understand it.

I think this is one of the most critical things that we can learn about, especially those of us on the right, because

this is how you will know if there is a troublemaker in your midst.

Because a lot of people will

hear some of this stuff and go, yeah, that's me too.

But that's not what they mean.

And they have a different vision of the future.

So

please listen to what we're talking about here.

It goes way beyond Russia.

But let me stay in Russia for just a couple of more minutes.

What is Novorussia?

Novorusiya.

This is Dugin's

way of describing these eastern territories in Ukraine

that are breaking off, apparently, and have been recognized as independent states, peoples, republics by Putin.

Dugin has been referring to them as New Russia.

as a new expansion.

And Putin in the past has borrowed that language from this renegade philosopher that I've been speaking to you about.

He used that.

I mean, Crimea was really a Dugan plan, wasn't it?

Absolutely.

I mean, it was one small piece of a Dugan plan.

Right.

To catch your listeners up, Dugin, after the fall of the Soviet Union, this philosopher, after the Soviet Union fell apart, he wanted to see not the revival of communism in the communist state, but a Russian nationalism that would expand almost to the exact boundaries of the former Soviet Union, but do so not carrying this secular ideology, but instead

a really fanatical Russian nationalism and federalism.

And all of those states that started to move out of the Russian sphere, Georgia, the Baltics, Ukraine, all of those in his mind were targets to be brought back in.

And it was imperative that Russia do it forcefully, decisively, to establish a boundary for American and liberal democratic ideology in the world.

It was important for him to set a boundary there to show that liberalism, that democracy, lowercase del liberalism, was not the fate of the whole world, but in fact, those territories needed to imagine a different future for themselves, a future that returned, in his mind, to their roots rather than looked forward to a different future.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: And it is the same kind of thing in a way that

Hitler used the faith of people.

He used all different faiths.

It wasn't just Christianity.

He destroyed those faiths as he went in.

But Dugan is using faith, and that's why that spiritual element, because the Ukraine plays a very important part for Eastern Orthodox Christianity, right?

It is the spiritual,

I don't know,

center for that, isn't it?

It's it's it's one of them, for sure.

It's also a sort of mythological center for the origins of the Russian ethnicity and state as well.

Which is even worse, because that's exactly what Hitler was doing with all of the other religions.

He was just tying all these myths together.

Yes,

you know, you look at the union of religion and nationalism, and that you start to find yourself in a place where your state acts as though it has a divine mandate, and that is a dangerous place to be.

It's not surprising, it won't perhaps surprise your listeners given what we're saying here, that one of Dugan's ideal states in the world today is Iran, because there you have a union of state power with religious authority, and the ability,

really the justification for anyone in that state to question the actions of the government is shackled because

if you do that, you are questioning a religious authority that's not allowed to be questioned.

So, this is all

this goes to

a celebration of authoritarianism and a way to equip the power of the state or a demagogue with greater cultural, in addition to military and economic and political power.

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We are with Benjamin Teitelbaum, the author of War for Eternity.

He is a guy who I have talked to several times.

They're really, I think there's about three of us, Ben,

that are watching and understand

the importance of Alexander Dugan.

And

it's a little frightening.

Everybody I talk to, I think there's one other guy that I know that

we all look at each other and goes, why aren't people paying attention to this?

It's so important.

What is the fourth political theory?

So, yeah, this is a challenge, Glenn, to explain for a period of time.

But if

when Alexander Dugan speaks about a fourth political theory, he's speaking about an alternative to the other three

main Western ideologies that fought throughout the last century.

That is to say, liberalism being one, lowercase L.

When Americans hear liberalism, we think Democratic Party, but we're really just talking about free market, democracy, rights of individual, rule of law.

And communism being a second one and fascism being a third.

Dugan's belief was that communism and liberalism in World War II combined forces to kill the third political theory, fascism, and then

liberalism, the first political theory, allowed communism to die of old age, essentially, with the Soviet Union.

But Dugan wants to see an alternative to all of these,

one that you might say fuses elements of the second and the third, of communism and fascism.

In his mind,

the danger of liberalism and the lowercase Dell liberal democratic world is its rampant individualism and its contempt for history, its devotion to progress and the belief that really our roots are something to be overcome and escaped, and also its will toward globalization and building larger and larger communities.

What he wants to see is a world that is shrunken, basically, in its scope.

and where the identity of your group or your tribe becomes the primary object of political activism.

That is to say, not the individual, as in liberalism, not the class, as in communism, and not the race, per se, as in fascism, but a slightly, let's say, related concepts, which is the ethnos or a small community or the tribe.

To see a society that works on preserving those differences,

that's what a fourth political theory should be doing.

And it should be, in his mind, opposed to progress, opposed to development, and certainly opposed to any larger state like the United States operating on the global sphere.

Aaron Ross Powell, so you can hear that and say, wow, I see pieces of that from both the right and the left.

And,

you know, I see a new world order being shaped like that, except he wants to destroy anything global.

He also wants to destroy the United States, and I think there are some others that would like to do that, and they are using some of those tactics.

So

he sees the United States, any pathway

toward realizing this goal has to, in his mind, go through the destruction of the United States.

At least if U.S.

global hegemonic power, occasionally he'll say that if the United States

were firmly contained

within its own own borders and its ideals never, never spread anyplace else throughout the world.

Perhaps we could coexist.

But

it's about containing U.S.

power.

Okay, 45 seconds before the break.

Tell me,

is Putin operating, do you think,

in

Ukraine, more under that or on just a quick business capitalist, I just want money and I'm going to get those ports.

I tell you, I think the way that he has been speaking recently makes it seem like the businesslike

estimation of Ukraine is more of a facade, an excuse to do what he wants to do, which is expand this Russian state.

Okay, good.

That's good news.

Now we're going to turn to America.

Really important that you listen with an open mind on this.

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I don't come to this segment lightly, and this segment is really for adults, and I'm probably going to have to have Ben on again to go through all of this.

But I, just as in the way I say that the Great Reset has nothing to do with capitalism, it is set out to destroy capitalism.

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And that is the way Donald Trump sees Putin.

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traditionalism that when I say that word, 99.999% of this audience has in their mind what I always had, lowercase traditionalism, and then there is uppercase traditionalism.

Donald Trump, I don't believe, knows anything about traditionalism,

but

one of his former advisors and a guy that Trump kicked out, Steve Bannon, knows everything about it.

I've talked to Ben Teitelbaum several times about Steve Bannon and about

uppercase traditionalism, which comes from this crazy guy in Russia.

And it's very confusing.

Most people don't know it.

They'll hear Bannon talk about traditional values, etc., etc., and they will associate it with something else.

He is an uppercase traditionalism.

Ben Teitelbaum is with us now.

He wrote the book, The War for Eternity.

Welcome back, Ben.

Pleasure to be with you, Glenn.

Do I have that right, what I just said?

Absolutely.

I think if some of the ideas that we're talking about, people would be excused, I think, for associating them with much more familiar, let's say, conservative right-wing values in the U.S.

Correct.

Smaller government.

Let's say a new opposition to internationalism and international interventionism.

Even the Tenth Amendment could be

a traditional value that uppercase traditionalists

would be for, break it up into a smaller group.

Yes, right?

You have to imagine it instead

to see what is distinct about these ideas that we're focusing on here, Gwen, you have to imagine all of those principles driven to an extreme that you never imagined.

You have to think about, yeah, not just states' rights, but perhaps even breaking up states into smaller groups and completely eliminating the federal government altogether,

having no coordination between different parts of the United States,

having absolutely no international presence whatsoever, taking no thought for our position in the world.

That's where we are.

And the distinction, it might seem like it's just a matter of degree, but some of these differences, some of these details are so important that we're speaking about an entirely different animal altogether.

Yeah, because, again, your book is called War for Eternity, and this is played on a spiritual level, and

he actually calls for the end of the world as we know it.

I mean, I don't think there's much difference between

his philosophy and the philosophy of those who call themselves Twelvers.

that believe that they can hasten the return of the promised one by creating chaos.

Yes.

It really isn't.

There's not much of a difference between the two of them there.

They're quite close.

And

in this instance, we're talking about someone who, we're talking about figures who have power,

who

are so foreign to our ways of thinking that we might not recognize it.

I mean, Glenn, when I came on your show this morning, you're saying you have a conservative audience.

I'm coming from the University of Colorado Boulder.

There's got to be so many differences between us, but

you realize how much we probably share with each other.

Oh, yeah.

You see an ideology.

Hey, Ben.

Do you like?

Do you like the Bill of Rights?

Yes.

So do I.

Good.

Let's move on.

I mean, that's really our

political

unum.

If you will fight for my freedom of speech, I'll fight for your freedom of speech.

We're good.

Everything else is secondary to that.

And I think we better get to that union pretty quickly here.

And I'm sure that we, even if we look at it in slightly different ways, we also believe in the rights and the dignity of the individual.

Yes.

You know, it might be thought of differently, but that simple principle that can seem kind of boring, I think, in our conversation,

because we all actually agree on it, that is contested by people with a lot of power.

And they also, some of these figures do not believe that our idea can exist in the world on its own.

They see it as a sort of parasite that if it exists here, it will potentially spread everywhere, and therefore it has to be contained and fought back on all possible fronts.

That is what we are potentially dealing with in Russia, especially if we have a less business-like and a more ideological Putin at the helm.

Tell me a little bit about the fourth political theory.

He talks about modernity, and really

he wants to take us back to a time before we were modern.

What does that mean?

That means a time when we did not necessarily look to the future

as a way to improve our lives.

And really, that improvement of society was not in itself

a self-evident value.

looks to a time when we would not

value the contributions of the individual,

value free and rational thinking,

not value democracy

as potentially a new political model that could and ought to shape the societies that we live in.

All of those things.

Also not think globally, not think about our relationships with others, and not also, and this is key I think for a lot of Christians, not think about universality of values.

One of the messages of Christianity, of course, has been the universal

salvation for humanity,

that God's salvation is equally available and equally relevant to all human beings on this planet.

That's underlying the evangelical impulse, of course.

That,

in the eyes of these traditionalists, is an inherently modern intrusion.

or

element or seed in Christianity that has to be resisted and that we need instead to be closing ourselves off, not thinking globally, not thinking universally, not thinking individualistically or in terms of progress at all.

That's modernity to these thinkers and what needs to be fought against.

When you said that the fourth political theory is something that really combines the strengths of Nazism and communism, I'm trying to think what those strengths were beside totalitarianism, just brutal live my way or else.

I mean, we see the overwhelming force of the state, but for these thinkers, what the state tends to represent, it's not just some powerful despot.

Instead, it is a manifestation of the collective and that

opposite the individual, let's say, that your political life, your cultural, your social life needs to all be oriented around the collective.

And whereas communism

focused its efforts on class communities, on

how much material wealth you have or do not have in your relationship to production,

for the fourth political theory, it is about religious slash cultural communities.

That's where everything needs to be oriented and there may not be

a proper public consideration for individual will and divergence on an individual level.

So that's where we see these things fitting together.

Ben, I would like to invite you back.

We'll have to look at our schedules and see when we can do it, but

as early as tomorrow, but next week,

I would like you to show this in action because people will say, as I know, because I've heard it, they don't,

this is a crazy crackpot theory from a guy in Russia, yada, yada.

It is global and financially sound, and it infects all kinds of movements

all over the world that are legitimate people saying, you know, I want to be English.

I don't hate Europe.

I just, I want to be English, and I'll be part of Europe.

And it infects those movements.

And the media has it all wrong.

They're just, they're demonizing everybody,

and they don't know which are the the good guys and which are the bad guys.

So can you come back and show it in action abroad and here?

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

I would be happy to, Glenn.

Part of the reason of the challenge of this topic is that we have to ask viewers to hold a couple ideas in their heads at the same time.

I know your viewers can do that.

I'm very, very sorry that the mainstream media doesn't always allow that.

But we have to see room for criticism

of globalism and for, let's say, American expansionism with our military and the fact that

completely closing ourselves off and regressing is not a good idea.

Yeah, and I think it's also, I think the bigger hurdle for our audience may be

capital T and lower T traditionalism.

That's where I think most people will get confused

because it plays right in.

I mean, I know, I've read the book and the first few pages,

because I knew who he was, I was letting myself experience it as a reader and noticing when I was going, yeah, I agree with that.

Yeah, I agree with that.

But it's not what he means it to be.

And that's the secret.

So, Ben, thank you very much.

It's a pleasure, bud.

We'll talk again soon.

Benjamin Teitelbaum, the author of War for Eternity.

We appreciate him coming on and being as diligent in his work as he has been.

God bless.

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They think it's because of Russia.

No, that has a part to do with it.

But the bigger part is the policies of this administration that shut everything down on day one?

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Yeah, you know, that's how you would look at someone.

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He was thrilled to see Joe Biden elected.

Yeah.

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I read an article a couple of days ago about the social credit system arriving in Canada and can we stop it here?

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David Sachs, it is an honor and a privilege to have you on the program.

Thank you, sir.

Yeah, great to be here.

Thanks, Glenn.

So let's talk a little bit about

the social credit system.

People, I think, see this in Canada.

I don't know how people

aren't all up in arms on what's going on,

but they may still think that that, well, that can't happen here.

Can we talk about what's happening?

Right.

Well,

it's already happening here.

You know, last year I wrote this people very weiss about that financial platform would be the next wave of online censorship.

I mean, I was worrying about this last year because PayPal, like Panaya helped found, you know, but we sold many years ago.

It's now under new management.

They are working with partisan left-wing groups like the ABL and the SBLC to define lists of individuals and groups who they deem to have extremist or unacceptable views, and they're denied access to PayPal accounts.

And there are other financial institutions who are following suit, the collective effect of which is to shut people out of the financial system.

And if you think it's bad to deny people the right to free speech and to participate in the online marketplace of ideas, how much worse is it to deny them access to the new economy, to the way that they can buy food and medicine and other products for their families?

You know, it is really a very severe form of punishment and social control.

And that is what we're talking about.

We talked about a social credit system.

We're talking about a system that

sort of pretends to allow political dissent, doesn't just send you to the gulag, but it conditions your ability to access the economy

and the benefits of society.

It conditions that on having the correct views, on having the acceptable views.

And what did Justin Trudeau do?

He declared right out of the gate that these protesters had unacceptable views, and then he proceeded to freeze their bank accounts and to shut off anybody who might contribute to them.

That is really terrifying.

The way he said,

we're going to shut down their accounts, we're going to close the off-ramps for Bitcoin.

It's not only them, but it's anybody who donated to them or, quote, helped them.

That's right.

Anybody who is, quote,

directly or indirectly involved in the protest was now subject to

this law in the, you know, this Emergencies Act that he invoked without really proper basis.

And, you know, anyone who, you know, quote unquote, provided property to help facilitate the protests could now be swept up in the dragonet.

And so it's not just if you're, say, you know, one of the organizers of the protests, but if you're, you know, a little old grandma somewhere and you want to contribute $25

so that, you know, a trucker, really a poor, destitute trucker, can buy a hot meal or some fuel to keep themselves from freezing at night.

If that's your intent of making that donation, you can still be swept up in this and you can have your bank account frozen.

And one of the incredible things about it is not just this unprecedented extension of aiding and abetting liability, but also that that it's retroactive.

That grandma who made the contribution at the time she did it, it was completely legal.

And yet, under this order, she can now have her account frozen as punishment.

And so what is the point of this?

It is to signal, and there's going to be a chilling effect in the future, that even if you make a completely lawful donation to a political cause,

if Justin Trudeau doesn't like that cause, if he thinks there are quote-unquote unacceptable views, that he has the power, that he can invoke the power at some point in the future to freeze your bank account, even though what you did is legal today.

That is the precedent they've created.

And I think the result of that must be a chilling effect on political defense.

Oh, big time.

They're,

you know, also including insurance companies.

I mean, he took their license away, their license to do business, their trucks away, their insurance away,

and their

banking, having them debanked, and then said,

even when this is over, banks might want to consider not doing business with these people.

So basically, I mean, they're lepers.

Yes, absolutely.

I mean, they're really creating a case of untouchables there in Canada.

I mean, like you said, they're towing their trucks or confiscating them.

The mayor of Ontario even said, let's sell off these trucks.

We've seized them.

Now sell them off.

We're going to use them to pay our bills.

They want to give these guys a criminal record so they can never work again.

They've taken away their insurance.

They've taken away the regulatory license.

And then, on top of that, because anybody who helps them, who contributes to them, can themselves now be frozen, no one's going to want to help them.

So, what happens to those people, David?

What happens to them?

You cut people's

money off.

How do you survive?

They're creating

a group of destitute destitute and desperate people.

And you have to wonder for what.

I mean, the COVID pandemic is on the wane.

It's at an end.

Even as Justin Trudeau was invoking these emergency powers,

a number of the provinces were ending COVID mandates.

They got the message.

He never got the message.

It's just extreme intolerance.

I have news for you, though, David.

Even if it was waning, I mean, I watched

Occupy Wall Street.

I was in New York during Occupy Wall Street.

As long as you're not breaking the law or destroying property,

you have a right to do that.

I never said we should sweep those people up.

That's craziness.

That's craziness.

And I should be even stronger on the people I disagree with.

I should fight for their right more than my right because who will fight for mine?

Exactly.

I mean, this is absolutely about the right of people to be able to engage in speech and political expression and to have the right to protest against their government.

And these were almost entirely peaceful protests.

There was no violence, and yet Trudeau instantly denounced all the protesters as basically being

terrorists, exactly, which allowed them to apply these anti-terrorist laws.

to freeze their bank accounts.

The most extreme forms of

the most extreme powers that the government has, which is to act on a terrorist threat, were thereby invoked to really go after these ordinary, you know, working-class men and women.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: We're talking to David Sachs.

He's the founding

COO of PayPal, and he is warning about the coming social credit system that is in Canada.

And do we have time to stop it here?

You know, one of the things, David, that I found

even

as shocking is the fact that there was a hacker who went in, hacked, took all of these names, doxed everybody, and the media published them and started humiliating them

and pillaring them in public.

That's right.

And it had real consequences.

There was a owner of a gelato shop who was exposed as having made a small contribution to the protesters, that they got so many threats they had to shut down their shop.

There was a low-level government employee who donated $100.

She was fired from her job because of that.

So there's been real reprisals based on that hack.

And, you know, I'm old enough to remember when social media cited as the reason they wouldn't publish that they would suppress the Hunter Biden stories for the election that it came from hacked material.

Right.

Where is that policy implemented today?

Right.

You know, this was illegally obtained material, and the press just reported it.

So, David, you know, I don't know if you're up on ESG, but that is that's what

Trudeau has done without the emergency order.

If you fall out of line with E, S, or G,

you're going to be debanked

or you will start to feel the heat of the banking and financial and insurance system.

How far away from this system are we to have a true credit score?

Do you see this happening sooner rather than later?

And what do we do to stop it?

Well, this is my main concern is, you know, at the end of the day, I'm not a Canadian, and I watch with sadness of what's happening over there, but ultimately it's going to be up to Canadians to govern themselves.

What I'm mostly concerned about is the precedent that Trudeau has set that progressives here.

in America might look to and implement.

And let's identify the elements, the ingredients of this toxic stew that that already exist over here first of all you've got big tech companies like you know my alma mater paypal have been freezing accounts based on you know working with partisan political groups to you know to shut people out of the financial system that practice is already taking place second you've got state of emergencies in states like California, where I live, where the governor is still operating under a state of emergency.

He has invoked emergency powers that never seem to end, even though we just had a Super Bowl where 30,000 people were sitting elbow to elbow without any masks on and yet we're still in a state of emergency.

Third, we have recently the Department of Homeland Security has now defined misinformation about COVID or the election to be a contributor to the terrorist threat level.

So in other words, misinformation in their view can contribute to terrorism.

So we have now all the ingredients where you have politicians invoking fake state of emergencies, you've got big tech companies shutting people out of the political system, and you've got this very scary and dangerous redefinition of terrorism to effectively apply to domestic political dissent.

So you have all the ingredients there that Justin Trudeau was able to seize on.

And all you're really lacking is the emergency necessary to invoke those powers.

So that is what I'm afraid of, is I see all the precedents coming together.

But we have one thing in the United States that Canada doesn't have, which is a rich constitutional tradition.

We have the protections under the Constitution.

And so I'm hopeful that our Supreme Court would protect us against

an authoritarian attack on our liberties this way.

However, there are many in our political system who want to pack the Supreme Court as it stands today.

And what would happen if the Supreme Court were packed?

It would water down these rights and liberties and protections that we have.

I think this is an issue that supersedes all others.

political candidate who would give support to packing the Supreme Court should be instantly rejected, I think, by everybody across the political spectrum.

And furthermore, I would say, you know, Biden has a SCOTUS pick coming up.

The Republicans on the Senate Judiciary Committee should make this topic number one.

What do they think about the use of these authoritarian powers, these fake state of emergencies?

Let's hear from them.

You know, I don't think Republicans are going to be able to stop the SCOTUS pick, but let's put them on the record and

discuss this issue.

Are there any other people that

have this point of view that

they're in your business, they're in tech.

I mean, it feels like,

as the average person, it feels like we are just up against this monolithic monster.

Yeah, I mean, Glenn,

it's rather scary.

I mean, I'm definitely an outlier in the tech industry.

You know, I've been involved in the tech industry for over 20 years.

First as a founder and now as an investor.

And I can tell you that there are other people who do share to one degree or another my concerns about civil liberties.

I mean, I think it does extend across the political spectrum.

However, they definitely feel intimidated into silence.

They believe that there will be reprisals for speaking out.

And so I would say

I'm not alone in my views, but there aren't too many people speaking out, and that's pretty scary.

Not that you would care at this point, but

have you paid a price for it?

You know,

not that I can tell.

I mean, I would say, I mean,

but here's the thing, Les, I'm at a stage in my career where I don't have to worry about it.

You know, if I never made another time, frankly, I'd be fine.

So for me, speaking out is the most important thing.

And, you know, if it costs me some business that I don't know about, then so be it, you know.

But

so far, I've been...

I've been fine.

And, you know, what I'm trying to do, I've participated on this podcast called The All in Pod with a few friends in tech.

You know, one of the main reasons why I've spoken out is to show people that you can speak out and they should have a little bit more courage in doing so.

Because I don't think the majority of people

across the political spectrum want to see our civil liberties eroded this way.

I think it is a bipartisan issue, certainly for

Republicans, Independents, and I'd say even many Democrats.

But there is a hard political left,

sort of the progressive left, that is driving all of this.

And one of the reasons why they're successful at driving this is because moderates will not, they're too afraid to speak out and oppose it.

So I don't think they're the majority, but they are driving the agenda because no one will speak out against it.

And it's really a very hypocritical agenda because I mean, these people, you look at Trudeau, his self-conception is completely at odds with the reality.

I mean, he claims to be saving democracy, preserving democracy, even as he is invoking authoritarian powers.

He claims to be the defender of the little guy, of the working class and the disadvantaged, while crushing these poor working class truck drivers under the sort of heel of his government.

They claim to be on the side of diversity and tolerance while insisting that there's only one acceptable point of view.

and censoring all the alternatives as misinformation.

So

this hard progressive left is completely hypocritical.

I don't think most people support it, but they're kind of running unopposed right now because people are so afraid to speak out.

David, thank you for speaking out.

Thank you for being on the program.

I hope we can have you on again.

God bless you and all the things that you're doing right now.

David Sachs, founding COO of PayPal, founder and general partner of Kraft Ventures.

If you see what he has invested in,

he is on the cutting edge.

And God bless him for speaking out.

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How did we not talk to him about that?

I don't know.

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And she's 25?

25.

25, yeah.

That doesn't happen.

Anyway,

she, unbeknownst to me, has been taking my advice.

And when I say, go do these things.

And

she's tried to do them and come up with a few roadblocks.

So she wrote advice for dummies by a 25-year-old who wanted to follow Glenn's advice, but didn't know how.

She's here to kind of walk us through some of these things.

Yeah, so I think I wrote this because I am

perhaps for all of your great reset advice, I am perhaps the worst person to take most of it because most of it's financial and that's what confuses me the most.

So I wanted to see if I can do it.

Probably anyone can do it.

If you can put your mind to it and I, Glenn, I sit and listen to you and I try to take your advice because I want to make things better.

I want to do the right thing, but then there are so many things to do.

I find myself doing nothing.

So I thought, let me chip away at these things one at a time and see what can I do.

So the first thing you did was?

First thing I did was switch to a local bank, which we talked about last week.

But the real first thing I had to do, Glenn, is find out why I wanted to do any of this because Glenn Beck told me to wasn't sustainable.

Good for you.

I had to figure out why do I personally want to do this?

And that took me a while.

And I had to write it out for myself and say, what is my motivation?

Because if not, I'm going to hit walls and Glenn Beck isn't going to be talking to me constantly.

And I have to know what do I want for my life.

So, what was your why for getting in changing banks?

For changing banks, my why is when I saw what happened in Canada.

I was finally that pushed me over the edge.

I thought, oh, it's, it could really happen.

They, they froze their banks.

And then I looked into Wells Fargo, who I was banking with.

I've been banked.

That was my only bank I've ever had, as Wells Fargo, and I can bank really easily online with them.

And it's easy, right?

I looked at Wells Fargo and I googled Wells Fargo World Economic Forum.

Whoa, Googled Wells Fargo ESG.

Whoa.

Yeah.

And they have, it's full of even they say they want to have a net zero by 2030.

Right.

That's not possible.

I know that's not possible, which means I know that they're just towing a global line, that this is all virtue signaling.

And I don't want my money with those people.

So I had to switch.

So how did you,

how did you find that

job, that task?

How did I find that task?

Yeah.

I found that task to be

simpler than the other tasks.

It was about the simplest task for me.

Once I knew what to look for, I had to call the banks.

I talked about this last week, that I had to call the banks and say, do you have a connection to a bigger bank?

Do you have a connection to ESG scores?

And that would take some time.

But once I got through, they were honest with me.

And I was able to find out bank by bank by bank who can I actually bank with.

And I was lucky I found a couple that I can actually bank with.

So you've put in your list, talk with your family.

Why?

because i have a husband and i i knew that if we didn't want to do this together it wouldn't be sustainable good for you and i i think that there's a lot of temptation when you feel i feel that i'm the information carrier of our family because i work here and i listen to you every day and i feel that i am the glenn beck of my home the ringing the alarm the sounding the alarm

and bad for everyone you're the insane person in your home

well and i think a lot of people listening probably are the glenn becks of their home and that that might feel kind of isolating and it's good to have a team you want people who are all working together if you go if you want to go fast go alone if you want to go far go together and I want to go far not fast did you um

did he agree with you right off the bat or did he was he like normal people that's crazy well he didn't ever call me crazy he's very nice to me

right did he ever say well bless your heart yeah he definitely said prove it and that was useful good he said prove it he's like what what's the real threat here i don't understand everything seems fine It looks fine.

Show me.

And I had to show him.

I couldn't just tell him the world's falling apart.

I had to say, look, here's the research.

I've done it.

I printed it out.

I highlighted it.

And he wanted to know it for himself.

And once he did, he was on board.

And he's easier.

Like I said, great husband.

Love him.

So what was the next thing you did?

Calling my legislators.

And that was hard?

Well, I used to be a secretary for a legislator, so I know that most of those calls get ignored.

So when I hear you say call your legislator, I know there's specific things you have to do when you go to call your legislator.

For example, I live in Texas now and I went to see what is, I wanted to talk about anti-ESG legislation, for example.

I wanted Texas to pass that.

First thing I had to do was look up what they have because if you call and you don't know your information, that's the first way to get ignored.

So if you call and you're like, hey, I want to know, I want you to pass an anti-ESG law.

Well, Texas could turn around and say, we already passed one, but they didn't really.

They passed one that just protects certain industries.

Yeah.

Right.

But if you don't know that, then you just say, oh, thanks.

Bye.

But you have to know.

So I called and they say, hi, I saw that in the past you have passed an anti-ESG legislation that only covered certain industries.

I'm interested in covering me and a normal citizen.

What is the legislator going to do to support that?

And the thing that I also know is you can't just call the one that you are zoned for.

You have to call the one who will be most sympathetic to your cause and the one you are zoned for.

Because if the one you are zoned for is not going to,

I know they will ignore your call.

They will ignore your call.

They will ignore your email.

The best thing to do is either blitz them so they can't ignore it, which I think that the Glenn Beck listeners do very well, is a blitz.

But if not, you need to call the person you think will be sympathetic to you.

How do you find that person?

Well, I was looking at all the local legislators and I found somebody who was called like the

actionable conservative voice.

And I thought, okay, we'll start here.

And you can see their voting.

You can see how they voted in the past.

You can see what they run on at minimum.

It doesn't mean that they will necessarily be who they say they are.

But if they say, I'm a far-left-leaning socialist, probably calling them about anti-ESG will be a waste of your time.

Yes, got it, got it.

And you have the steps on, and we have this up.

Is this up on Glennbeck.com?

It is, it's up on Glenbeck.com.

Okay, so we have the script and everything you need to know, everything that she's learned in doing this.

We have it all at Glennbeck.com.

It is Glenn Beck's Advice for Dummies, which I don't really like that but uh

glenn beck's advice for dummies uh on on how to do all of the things uh that we we talk to you about investments you write as a young person i invested just in time for glenn say glenn to say it's time to divest that is trouble here's my advice i believe i wrote that put me in a pickle yeah you did but well i said my first time i met with my investor they said hello what are your goals i said i would like to make money they said great how much i said as much as possible And they sent me on my way.

And that was it.

And now suddenly I come back to my invest, my advisor and I say, actually, I have a lot of moral stances now about my investments.

And this is coming out of left field because first I just said, as much money as you can possibly make me, let's go.

And all my investments were BlackRock.

And I had

no idea.

First thing I had to do is say, I wonder what I'm investing in anyway.

Cause I just had one of those general things for young people that's kind of risky.

And I was like, can I have a copy of that?

And they're like, sure, they sent it to me in the mail.

Literally 75% say blackrock on it.

I go into sheer panic.

I'm like, oh my gosh, it's my fault.

I'm ruining the world.

It's me.

It's my money.

I am the problem.

And I don't want to be that.

And I think a lot of people probably feel the pressure to try to be part of the solution, not part of the problem.

So I worked with my investor and said, look, I don't know if I can know.

every single 30 different company in my portfolio, all their specific views, but can we work together to know who I definitely don't want to invest in?

That's where I started.

Because picking individually every single company is almost, it's not impossible.

Somebody out there is like, it's not impossible.

I just did it.

And I think that's great.

But I started with, look, I know I don't want to be in BlackRock.

Let's start there.

Let's pull out of BlackRock.

And then they'll send me, they'll say, How about this one?

And I'll look it up.

And I'll be like, okay, yay or nay.

And it's hard to be a purist.

It's hard to be perfect, but we can't let wanting to be perfect stop us from doing anything.

I will tell you, just getting out of BlackRock is huge.

They are using our money to destroy us

and bring ESG.

And that is a

really good first step is just taking all your money out of BlackRock.

And every state should be doing that.

Divest from BlackRock as state.

Any retirement fund, any investment fund, get out of BlackRock.

That will go a great, a long, long way.

And you have to celebrate the baby steps.

Otherwise, it's easy to lose hope or lose motivation.

So I feel that I was like, okay, I can't do everything.

And I could beat myself over the head and be like, but still, your money's probably going somewhere bad.

Like bad, Michaela.

That is right.

Or I could say, nice work, Michaela.

Today, you made a step.

You did something right.

And we have to congratulate ourselves on these steps because those are not easy things to do.

And if we're constantly looking at everything, like there's so much more I could do, that's true.

But we will lose our motivation and we will lose our hope if we don't congratulate ourselves when we take these steps.

Michaela, thank you so much for your work.

And you can find this all at glennbeck.com.

I will tell you that

we have to start thinking

about each other as well.

I talked about this yesterday somewhat.

We need to start talking about and thinking about others.

How can we help others?

Because there's going to be a lot of people that

are way out of the loop on this, and we can't just ignore them.

We have to...

bind ourselves as communities and help people that will come into our communities and need help when things get really bad.

You need to be at a place where your community thinks like that and thinks like you.

Don't be the odd person out on this.

Get to those communities, start thinking like a community

on

how you can help.

And as Michaela just said, you know, you got to celebrate the baby steps.

And they're not baby steps.

They're just do the next right thing.

That's all you have to do.

You just do the next right thing.

Don't worry about the big thing

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The Glenn Back Program.

Welcome to the Glenn Beck program.

We were talking about how to do all these things, and it's very difficult to do all these things.

There's a million different steps, and it's difficult to get down that road.

One of the, we've talked about atomic habits before, mainly because it was beating you in the bestseller lists, and I was torturing you about it.

But it's a fantastic book.

And the way, one of the things, one of the big innovations, I think, in it, when you're thinking about habits, and this goes from everything from the way you eat to the, you know, whether you're going to go to the gym or whatever, is changing your approach to your habits and your life from a goal-based habit to

an identity-based habit.

So in other words, a goal-based would be, I'm going to go to the gym every day.

A goal-based is like, I strive to get in shape.

I want to go to the gym every day.

And that's how we've always, I think, always thought.

And his point is like, you need to think of it as like, I'm the type of person who goes to the gym every day.

I never miss a workout.

I'm that guy.

I'm the gym rat.

That's me.

And if you think of it that way, it becomes part of your identity and your identity, you're casting votes toward that identity with every small action.

Every day you show up, you're casting a vote towards that person that you want to be.

Give me another example.

Here's an example: Do you do I have any control over my life at all?

God, zero.

I mean, I have no self-control.

No self-control.

Correct.

The one, and this, and

many in this audience will know this.

I'm like America's

single conservative vegetarian, right?

The only habit I could tell you about that I'm actually successful with, and I never mess up, is that I don't eat meat.

I just don't do it.

I can give you anything.

You really don't even know why, really.

Yeah, I mean, there's a long explanation of it.

But the bottom line is, you know, that's who I am.

It's the way I live my life.

I don't care if you live your life the same way, but it's like the only habit I can think of that I actually never mess up.

I do it every single day.

I never make a mistake.

And that's because?

And that's because I'm a vegetarian.

It's like in my head, part of my identity.

It's who I am.

It's how I live life.

Now, I know,

like for you, for example, you are a recovering alcoholic, right?

That's part of your identity.

If someone asks you about alcohol, you don't say, well, I'm really trying to not drink.

You say, no, I'm sober.

I'm a recovering alcoholic.

And it's part of your identity.

And you never mess up, right?

And

if you think of it that way and change the way, like you're striving for, like, for example, pushing back against, you know, the great reset in the NESG, there are things from day to day that you're not going to get there in one day, but every single time you take a small action to cast a vote toward the identity of making sure that you're in line with your values, That's a day that you're progressing towards the type of person that you want to be.

Not like some weird goal that eventually you'll achieve and be done, but it's an ongoing journey where you're constantly trying to make yourself into this person that you wish to be.

So this is from Atomic

Habits, which is, you've found really enlightening.

Yes.

I think it's a great book.

Even though what you just said is, I am a vegetarian.

I am a recovering alcoholic.

And I've given you the I am speech a million times.

Yeah, but you're, first of all, he's outselling you.

So he's obviously better.

We know.

No, it is true, though.

If you change your thinking

to, I am an American, I am determined to be free, I am free,

you will change.

It just changes.

You almost fake it until you make it, but it does change your thinking and it creates what you say I am.

You know, whatever follows I am, you will be.

Yeah.

And it's also, because you have made that speech, and it's true.

I mean, it's clearly true.

There's more to it than just saying it, right?

Like one of the other,

like you don't rise to the level of your goals, you fall to the level of your systems, right?

So if you don't have a system in place, if you don't go through these things and do them, if you're just kind of depending on your willpower every day, you're going to fail.

If you say, I am rich every day, you're not going to be rich.

Right.

You're not going to be rich.

Right, right.

But you start thinking that way.

You start moving in a different way.

Yeah, you start recognizing under

an existing structure, a framework that helps you get through these things.

Even on the bad days, when you feel like, you know what, I feel like going to the casino, maybe you don't do that, although that is a pathway to get rid of it.

Thank you very much for bringing something I've known my whole life, and I've tried to teach you my whole last year.

How many books you sell on there, Glenn?

You can even get them at the stores.

This is the Glenn Back Program.