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If you didn't have the time yesterday to listen to the Supreme Court as they were doing their oral arguments yesterday on Roe versus Wade.

Stu and I came out of it in different places.

I think that

I think there's a good chance that Roe versus Wade is a thing of the past.

Now, it's really difficult.

You don't want to read into their questions because sometimes they're just asking good questions, but they're asking them almost rhetorically.

They're asking and

just want to hear the answer.

It doesn't mean that's the way they're going to vote.

But if you heard some of the questions and some of the answers, to me, it looks like Roe versus Wade may have a chance of being a thing of the past.

Stu's a little more skeptical of that.

We'll get his opinion.

We're going to listen to the arguments and run it down for you in 60 seconds.

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Get ready.

Well, let's start with the Supreme Court yesterday.

Your takeaway quickly, Stu.

I mean,

I am optimistic.

I hope.

I'm normally pessimistic.

I mean, I'm willing to entertain.

John Roberts.

I'll be pessimistic till the day John Roberts is no longer on the court.

Right.

But, I mean, you don't even need Roberts here.

This is why this should be an open and shut case.

I just was surprised more about the media coverage, which seemed to treat it as a foregone conclusion that Roe versus Wade is going away.

Now, there's incentives on both sides here.

I think the pro-life side wants to show this is a really, really important big deal, which, of course, I think it is.

And the pro-choice side wants to scare everybody on their side to be out in the streets and vote Democrat.

So maybe that's all it is.

But like

when I was

listening to the entire thing yesterday, there are moments I felt optimistic, but I didn't think that it was like the greatest.

I mean, you heard pretty nuanced questions from Amy Coney Barrett.

You know, John Roberts clearly was looking for some sort of middle ground.

You know, Kavanaugh, I guess, was probably the most exciting part of this because he

was

the biggest question mark, maybe, and he seemed to be,

by oral arguments, on the right side of it, in my view.

But

other than obviously Clarence Thomas and Samuel Alito,

they both seemed rock solid.

Yeah, rock solid.

But again, like Gorsuch didn't go into enough detail that I think we learned anything new about Gorsuch yesterday.

So, I mean, I don't think it's an open and shut case.

I would be surprised if they don't do do anything.

Like if we don't get to the point where maybe this Mississippi law is allowed or some other sort of incremental step.

Well, the

defendants, the ones who, you know, from Planned Parenthood and the, you know, the

abortion clinics, they're saying it's all or nothing.

If you allow this to stand, then Roe versus Wade is over.

It's an interesting risk.

I think they have some, there's some political calculations that go on there as well.

But it was interesting to hear even the Planned Parenthood lawyers aren't arguing the position of the Democratic Party.

They're saying viability, which you would say is like 24 weeks.

The Democratic Party is saying up until birth.

Right.

So the Planned Parenthood lawyers are far more conservative than the Democratic Party at this point.

That's your country.

It's crazy.

It's crazy.

So one of the big things that

happened is

Justice Sotomayor, do we have this one?

Yeah, let's I think we have Kagan basically saying this.

Here's cut 13.

Justice Breyer started with

sorry decisis,

an important principle

in any case, and here for the reasons that Casey mentioned, especially so,

to prevent people from thinking that this court is a political institution that will go back and forth depending on

what part of the public yells loudest.

Oh my gosh.

Oh, this is ridiculous.

This is ridiculous.

Now, what she's saying here is that

this

legal argument

means that you can't go in with well-established law and just overturn it.

You have to have, you know,

compelling evidence to overturn it.

And when it's not clear, you should always just stay with it.

And we don't overturn longstanding rulings by the Supreme Court.

That's the argument.

Well, that was shot to hell yesterday.

Kavanaugh,

you know, just took it apart

and really took it apart with the Plessy versus Ferguson decision, which was separate but equal.

That was a wrong ruling, separate but equal.

It was changed by the Brown versus Board of Education, but it was a law for 58 years.

So by what Sotomayor and Kagan were saying,

that should, Plessy versus Ferguson should have remained.

And that's what the conservatives were saying on the court.

Wait a minute, you can't do that.

If it is wrong, it is wrong.

And they were making the argument that they're, in fact, let me see if we have it.

Where is the one reasons for Roe versus Wade?

I think it's cut 14.

Let's try that.

Mississippi's ban on abortion two months before viability is flatly unconstitutional under decades of precedent.

Mississippi asks the court to dismantle this precedent and allows states to force women to remain pregnant and give birth against their will.

The court should refuse to do so for at least three reasons.

First, Steridecisis presents an especially high bar here.

In Casey,

the court carefully examined and rejected every possible reason for overruling Roe, holding that a woman's right to end a pregnancy before viability was a rule of law and a component of liberty it could not renounce.

The question then is not whether Roe should be overturned, but whether Casey was egregiously wrong to adhere to Roe's central holding.

Second, Casey and Roe were correct.

For a state to take control of a woman's body and demand

that she goes through pregnancy and childbirth with all the physical risks and life-altering consequences that brings is a fundamental deprivation of her liberty.

Okay, stop.

Now go to cut nine.

Here's where Clarence Thomas jumps in and asks a few questions.

Go ahead, nine.

General, would you specifically tell me,

specifically

state what the right is?

Is it specifically abortion?

Is it liberty?

Is it autonomy?

Is it privacy?

The right is grounded in the liberty component of the 14th Amendment, Justice Thomas, but I think that it promotes interests in autonomy, bodily integrity, liberty, and equality.

And I do think that it is specifically the right to abortion here, the right of a woman to be able to control without the state forcing her to continue a pregnancy whether to carry that baby to term.

I understand we're talking about abortion here.

But what is confusing is that we, if we were talking about the Second Amendment, I know exactly what we're talking about.

If we're talking about the Fourth Amendment, I know what we're talking about because it's written, it's there.

What specifically is the right here

that we're talking about?

Well, Justice Thomas, I think that the court in those other contexts with respect to those other amendments has had to articulate what the text means and the bounds of the constitutional guarantees.

And it's done so through a variety of different tests that implement First Amendment rights, Second Amendment rights, Fourth Amendment rights.

So I don't think that there is anything unprecedented or anomalous about the right that the court articulated in Roe and Casey and the way that it implemented that right by defining the scope of the liberty interest by reference to viability and providing that that is the moment when the balance of interest tips and when the state can act to prohibit a woman from

getting an abortion.

So let's just go through the rights.

Okay.

Here are the rights as enumerated in the Constitution.

Tell me which ones apply to abortions too.

Freedom of speech?

No.

Freedom of press?

No.

Freedom of religion?

No.

You might be able to make a case, but no.

There's no on the other side.

Right.

There's no religion that pro-Satanism says you're supposed to.

And the Democratic Party.

Freedom of assembly.

No.

Freedom to petition the government?

No.

Right to bear arms?

No.

Unless you redefine arms, then it's a pro-life.

Protections against housing soldiers in a civilian home.

Protection against unreasonable search search and seizure, protection against the issuing of warrants without probable cause,

protection against trial without indictment, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, property seizure, right to a speedy trial, informed of charges, confronted by a witness, call to a witness, right to legal counsel,

right to trial by jury, protect against excessive bail, excessive fines, and cruel and unusual punishment.

It doesn't enter the Bill of Rights at all.

So

he says, well, what right specifically are we talking about?

Cut 10.

Listen to Sotomayor.

Viability is not tethered to anything in the Constitution, in history, or tradition.

It's a quintessentially legislative line.

There's so much that's not in the Constitution.

I'm so glad she brought that up.

There is so much

not in the Constitution.

For instance, the, quote, right to health care, not in the Constitution.

Abortion, not in the Constitution.

But there is something in the Constitution that goes to the very heart of this case.

It's the Tenth Amendment.

Powers not granted to the federal government in the Constitution belong to the states or the people.

It's very clear

if abortion is not in the Constitution, the federal government has no role.

None.

If you can't tie it to one of the rights that are in there,

the Constitution specifically states there's all kinds of rights out there.

And those rights are all held by the people and the states.

This is why it was so important

when they were talking about,

and I don't have it, shoot, I don't have it yet.

When they were talking about

being neutral, who was it?

It was Kavanaugh.

Kavanaugh talks about being neutral.

And

the Supreme Court should be neutral on things like this if it isn't constitutional.

That's what the Supreme Court is supposed to do.

It's not supposed to decide social issues.

It's not supposed to decide, you know,

if you had religious zealots take over the United States of America, would you want the Supreme Court to be able to say, yep, well, that church is the right church and

the people have spoken on that?

No.

You wouldn't want that, right?

Well, could the Supreme Court actually stand against it?

Absolutely.

Because in the Constitution, it says the federal government can't do any of that.

It can't pick one religion over another.

It's left to the individuals.

And this is the biggest problem.

Who runs the country?

Do the people run the country?

Does the president and his cabinet run the country?

Does the Senate and Congress or the Supreme Court?

Who actually has final say?

Final say, according to the Constitution, remains with you.

As long as,

as long as nothing is happening that violates the Constitution,

It belongs in the hands of the people.

And we keep voting for things.

For instance, health care, we voted against health care.

They jammed it through.

They jammed it through in an unconstitutional way.

And John Roberts, who I believe knew it was wrong,

did some

makeup at the Supreme Court and ruled in favor of it when he should have said, if you want this, do it the right way,

I'm sending it back.

He actually should have said,

there's no right to health care.

There is no right to health care.

So

don't bring it to me.

It's why conservatives may be against universal health care in your state, but you've never heard me say anything other than Romney was wrong and stupid with Romney care in Massachusetts.

But it wasn't illegal.

It wasn't against the Constitution.

State has a right to do that.

I don't have a problem with California voting to to be the dumbest group of people I've ever seen in my life.

They have a right to live that way.

They have a right to rule that way if that's the way they want to do it.

My problem with California is they rope me in because when they fail, and they will, I'll be on the hook and my taxes will have to go to pay for their nonsense.

That's my problem.

Not that they do things that I disagree with in California.

It is the state's right

and it is the people's right to vote one way or another.

That's what this is really all about.

States' rights and the Constitution.

Are we going to have a body that is just political?

Because we've always tried to play by the rules.

And

if we can't get this done this time,

I think everything changes.

I think everything changes there will be litness tests there will be people now that will say how are you going to vote how are you going to vote and i want to see evidence that that has been in your dna from the beginning

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this has been a farce to the to the right for a very long time back in just a second

and not because they don't vote our way but because they don't follow the Constitution.

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Here is Justice Kavanaugh.

When you really dig into it,

history tells a somewhat different story, I think, than is sometimes assumed.

If you think about some of the most important cases, the most consequential cases in this court's history.

There's a string of them where the cases overruled precedent.

Brown v.

Board

outlawed separate but equal.

Baker v.

Carr, which set the stage for one person, one vote.

West Coast Hotel, which recognized the state's authority to regulate business.

Miranda v.

Arizona, which required police to give warnings

about the right to remain silent and to have an attorney present to suspects in criminal custody.

Lawrence v.

Texas, which said that the state may not prohibit same-sex conduct.

MAP versus Ohio, which held that the exclusionary rule applies to state criminal prosecutions to exclude evidence obtained in violation of the Fourth Amendment.

Gideon versus Wainwright, which guaranteed the right to counsel in criminal cases.

Bergefell, which recognized a constitutional right to same-sex marriage.

I mean, he goes on each of those cases.

Other than that, though, what does he have?

Right, you know?

I mean, it goes on and on and on.

On and on.

And it shows that Kavanaugh

may actually

be

fighting on our side.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, great hope for sure.

I mean, Breyer went to great extents to try to argue that this did not qualify as one of those types of cases.

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Justice Roberts, strangely, had a great question yesterday in the Supreme Court

as they were talking about

abortion and the Mississippi law that allows abortions up to 15

weeks.

At 15 weeks, it bans all abortions, including rape or incest.

And

here's what Justice Roberts asked, which I think is a very logical question.

If you think that the issue is one of choice,

that women should have a choice to terminate their pregnancy,

that supposes that there is a point at which they've had the fair choice, opportunity to choice.

And why would 15 weeks be an inappropriate line?

But viability, it seems to me, doesn't have anything to do with choice.

It doesn't.

And the problem with viability is you're on the wrong side of history.

Because if you're arguing it's 24 weeks, you're already wrong.

Yeah, they're already, they're still arguing 24 weeks.

24 weeks was the standard basically that was put in with Casey.

Because.

Because that was about the time that kids could live at that point.

We're at 20 weeks now.

Let me give you a couple of the coolest dudes in the entire world.

Curtis Means and Richard Hutchinson.

They're both one years old.

They both have the record, and the record was broken by Curtis Means for the youngest baby ever born to live to their first birthday.

And they were in 21 weeks, right at the beginning of 21 weeks.

That just occurred.

These kids are thriving, and you know, there's pictures of them having their little smash cake for their first birthday.

21 weeks.

One of the kids that

is, I can't remember,

it might be Curtis Means, but I can't remember if it is or not.

But the mother had to actually lie to the hospital about

how long the baby had been baking in the oven

to get them to treat the baby because it was the kid was so young that they're like, ah, there's no chance.

And then they saved him anyway.

Wow.

Because she had to lie.

She had to lie and say, no, actually, it's 24 weeks.

Because if it was 21 weeks, they weren't going to do anything.

So how many more kids

could be saved?

How many thousands.

And that number is going to get closer and closer to conception.

I mean, you know, it's not going to be conception, but that viability number is going to get closer and closer and closer.

And you're on the wrong side of history.

Here's Justice Alito on the viability.

Cut 22.

Alito was great, by the way.

I mean,

Alito and Thomas are pretty much the unquestioned success stories here.

Here he is.

Look at the interest on the other side.

The fetus has an interest in having a life, and that doesn't change, does it, from the point before viability to the point after viability?

In some people's view, it doesn't, Your Honor, but what the court said is that those philosophical differences couldn't be resolved in the world.

That's what I'm getting at.

What is the philosophical argument, the secular philosophical argument for saying this is the appropriate line?

There are those who say that the rights of personhood should be considered to have taken hold at a point when the fetus acquires certain independent characteristics.

But viability is dependent on medical technology and medical practice.

It has changed.

It may continue to change.

Now,

when he's talking about philosophical arguments, Sodomayor runs in to the defense.

And here's what she says, cut 11.

The viability line discounts and disregards state interests, and the undue burden standard has all of the problems of.

How is your interest anything but a religious view?

The issue of when life begins

has been hotly debated by philosophers since the beginning of time.

So you're still debated in religion.

So amazing.

So when you say this is the only right

that takes away from the state the ability to protect the life,

that's a religious view, isn't it?

Because it assumes that a fetus is life

at

when?

You're not drawing,

when do you suggest we begin that way?

I think the philosophical questions Your Honor mentioned, all those reasons, that they're hard, they've been debated,

they're important, those are all reasons to return this to the people, because the people should get to debate these hard issues.

Yep.

He's like, hey, so do I, would you mind making my argument for me real quick?

And this is exactly the point that Mississippi is making, which is you can't take this away from the people and

just put, again, even the Supreme Court disagreed with the Supreme Court's standards.

They keep saying, oh, well, you can't overturn Roe and Casey.

Casey overturned Roe.

Casey, yes, it said the fundamental findings of Roe remained, but they got rid of the trimester plan, which was what Roe versus Wade said.

Hey, first trimester, you can't do anything.

Third trimester, you can put in lots of restrictions and went through the whole process.

And they changed that to viability.

So the initial argument about abortion literally was not, did not mention viability really at all.

And that point was made yesterday as well.

Viability is a new standard they put in in the 90s to justify their mistake from the 70s.

And now we're supposed to act like now in the 2020s, we're not allowed to come come up with a new reading on this.

So

there is a non-religious view.

Why don't we kill homeless people?

Why don't we kill homeless people?

I mean, they don't have a good life.

They have a horrible life.

They're living under a bridge.

Do you want to live under a bridge like that?

Because they have the right to live.

They have a right to live, right?

Fundamental right to live.

Yeah, but I mean, you know, they're in and out of prison.

They're a drug addict.

I mean,

they're going to continue to spiral down.

We do this all the time with abortion.

We say, How many Albert Einsteins have we aborted?

How many Chili's waiters have we aborted?

Who cares what they do with their life?

Correct.

It's their life to do something.

And that is the non-religious argument from the

future like ours.

That's the argument, the future like ours.

We can't, we can't, we don't have the right to limit somebody's future because we think

it's not worth living.

There's a lot of people that are very, very happy and fulfilled that we would look and go,

I wouldn't want to live like that.

We should pull the plug on that person, huh?

The argument is your arrogance,

your arrogance to decide what some person wants in their future,

you can't eliminate them because you don't think they have a future.

You can't abort people

because they're people.

And you don't know the arguments going back and forth that it happened early on that, oh, these children will have no life.

And who are you?

You going to adopt them?

You have no idea.

There are people, I know one.

I work with somebody who

had the childhood from hell.

Mom and dad, drug addicts, hardcore drug addicts, taken away, he and his sister and his brother taken away very young by the state, put in foster care.

I mean, a movie style, bad foster care system.

He runs away at 12, I think,

13, he runs away from the last foster home.

They don't report him because they want just the money.

So they don't ever report that he's gone.

They just keep taking the money.

Wow.

And he knows that

the system right there.

Yeah.

So he knows that.

So he runs away.

He's living on the streets.

And when he gets old enough to go work at any store, any restaurant, he's working.

He's going to school himself.

He's always playing the shuffle with the parents.

He goes in,

he makes enough money to buy a little teeny apartment.

He and his sister, he goes and gets his sister.

He and his sister are living in the kitchen of this apartment.

They can't afford food.

They can't afford heat.

They can't afford electricity, but this has a gas stove.

Think how dangerous this is.

They turn on the gas stove all winter long and open it up so they can have heat and they can sleep at night.

All right.

You think this guy has a future?

I work with this guy.

He's one of the most optimistic, hardworking

entrepreneurs that I know.

He is considered my,

when we brought the family,

my kids and I, we went up to

Tanya's parents' house and all of the family was around.

And my son started talking about his brother.

And all the aunts and nieces and nephews and uncles were like,

hang on just a second.

You mean Tim,

who's married to your sister?

And he said, no, my brother, my other brother.

And he just kept talking like it was no big deal.

And they were like, wait, hold it.

And now they're looking at us like, you have a son and you've not talked to us about that?

That's how close he is to our family.

I beg him to spend time around my son because he's such a good role model.

Don't tell me about somebody's life.

You have no idea.

Their life may suck.

They may be in prison, but they have today

to make a different choice.

That's not religious.

That's just getting rid of humanity's arrogance to make the call for everyone else.

And that story could go a totally different way.

Right.

Where instead of that, the whole beginning is the same.

And instead, they wind up being a total slug and live at home and play Xbox all day.

And guess what?

They still have the right to live.

Still have a right.

Whether they accomplish anything with their lives at all, you don't have the right to kill them because you think they might not do

They might do life wrong to your standards or they may not have a life that you agree with yeah, how many how many elites how many elites that you you can think right now you see how they look at people in the center of the country

Do you think you could get five or ten, you went to all the universities and everything and I'm talking a low number here five or ten intellectual progressive elites that you could

gather together that would agree that there are many people in the red states that should just be just liquidated because they're never, they're a harm to society and

they're just dragging us back into the stone age.

I can guarantee always

that the progressives want to do this too.

Go bet, they would have been aborting every mixed race baby.

They would have been aborting every gay

child of someone who they believed to be gay.

They already are doing this.

It kills me that

Nancy Pelosi comes out yesterday and she's talking about how this is just racist.

All of this in Mississippi is just racist.

Really?

Is it?

Because it seems to me that when 27 African-American women

out of a thousand,

compared to 10

white women out of a thousand have an abortion, it seems like we're targeting African Americans more than we're targeting blacks.

And gee, how is that?

How did that happen?

Because Margaret Sanger was a white supremacist.

This entire operation was put together to target the inner city, to target the black community, to eliminate the black race.

Don't talk to me about racism and abortion because you're on the losing side of history.

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So

the corporate media is

really on the bandwagon that this is the end of Roe versus Wade.

And there are three ways that this could

end.

I mean, it would be wonderful if

it ended so states had the rights to do whatever the people of that state wanted to do.

But it also

could end 333.

All the justices, there's no majority.

We have absolutely no idea.

Now, why is the corporate media telling you that this is over?

It's over.

I think Stu was right when he said it's all about hyping up money and politics and getting people ready for the midterm elections.

Yeah.

Can you imagine what the media is going to look like if, let's just say, July 2022, Roe versus Wade is overturned in the United States?

Can you imagine how good Donald Trump looks to the right?

Could have a great argument as to

assuming

he has three justices there, assuming they come through, which would be probably necessary.

I mean, unless they took a half step.

would probably be necessary, but I think you'd get all three of them if this were to happen.

And if so, it's going to look very good.

Very good for Donald Trump.

So

they're just ramping things up.

Now, why?

Because they believe it?

No, because of politics.

But there is another reason as well.

Because

they are going to target the Supreme Court.

This is going to be their angle to add more justices to the Supreme Court or to

have some sort of time limit for justices to serve so they can pack the court.

That's what the media is lining up right now, those arguments to change the Supreme Court in case

it does dismantle Roe versus Wade.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

Hello, America.

We have the abortion

court hearing to continue to talk about.

We also have the latest from Twitter, and there is something,

something going on that is not going to work out to our advantage.

And it's way more than just

who the guy is that replaced Jack at Twitter and their latest

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Wait until you hear about that.

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I mean, I really feel bad.

And I think we should all stop and reflect on that.

You know, and I'm sure Kyle Rittenhouse,

you know, could have said that, but nobody really cared back then.

But

yeah, we'll give you the incredible, actual

words of the charges, the witnesses, and the police.

This, there is no way the media is on the right side of history today on almost any subject.

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thinking about, thinking ahead for a little bit, and I am not getting ahead of myself on this.

I do not believe that this is a sure thing that Roe versus Wade is going to get overturned or anything like the media is presenting it.

But let's just say it does for a second.

Let's just go down that road.

It's supposed to come out in like July 2022, a few months before the midterm election.

Yes.

How does something like that affect politics?

Well, first, can we start with what does it mean to overturn Roe versus Wade?

Because I think that if this truth gets out, it changes that question.

That's true.

I mean,

we can overstate the importance of this, frankly, even as conservatives.

Yes.

You know, for example, the Mississippi law limits abortion to 15 weeks, by the way, written by a female nurse.

So for all the idea of like, oh, well, these men keep trying to tell me about my body.

Yeah, a female nurse wrote the bill.

Okay, so just zip it.

I'm so sick of this crap.

But if you look at the 15-week bill, let's just say that was approved and Mississippi went to a 15-week plan.

You can have abortions up till 15 weeks.

That would still allow about 95% of abortions.

Correct.

However, I believe Mississippi is one of those that have already on the books, like Texas does,

if Roe versus Wade is ever overturned.

Yeah, so it's automatically a no-abortion state.

Let me take this step by step, though.

What they're actually talking about is this Mississippi law that limits it to 15 weeks.

About 95%

of abortions happen before 15 weeks anyway.

Okay.

So, and you have to believe there's about 4%

more that happen between 16 and 20 weeks.

And my guess is they move those up a few weeks, right?

Most of the people that would normally have the abortion between 16 and 20 weeks have it a little earlier before 15 weeks in this situation.

That would bring you to about 99%.

of abortions.

And then you're at a situation where there's still opportunity, if you want to go past that, to go to different states.

Go to California.

So what would this actually do?

How many abortions would it actually prevent?

Would it turn us into the handmaid's tail and have a Gilead government cracking down on us so that women have no choice whatsoever and all these rights are taken away?

No.

Unfortunately, by the way, it would still result in pretty much everybody that wants to have an abortion having an abortion.

If Roe v.

Wade were to get overturned completely, however, as you point out, many states, red states, have triggers in their constitution.

Blue states have the opposite triggers, which automatically would make abortion illegal in their state.

Various ways to do this, but basically,

if that ruling comes down in a bunch of states, you just have it be illegal to have an abortion.

And in states like California, for example, it would automatically become legal.

So

right off the bat,

you'd have a bunch of different changes in the law, but there would be states where it would be illegal.

There's a pro-abortion group that came out with a map that said, here's what's going to happen.

And they, and I think this is

optimistic from our point of view, said about 26 states would get rid of it.

I think that's probably too high, but it's, you know, it's probably at least 20 states that would do it.

But I'm taking their map because they're a pro.

choice organization and they want they see this as a violation of rights.

So what is the most arduous thing that could happen to a woman who wanted to have an abortion what is the worst case scenario how far would you have to drive to get an abortion in the United States the absolute farthest distance would be basically from southern Florida to North Carolina which is about a 12-hour drive now

That's not nothing, right?

It's probably a lot harder than it is today.

What if you can't drive?

You're a woman and you can't drive.

Then you could fly in two hours.

What if you don't have any legs to be able to, you know, get to the airport?

Then I guarantee you there will be a pro-choice organization that will transport you across the airport.

No legs and no hands, so you can't answer the phone.

Hopefully you have an Alexa nearby and you can take the phone call that way.

What if you're so poor and you live in a place where the internets are all so slow?

See, these are the people you're not thinking of.

That is definitely not the person I'm thinking of.

But yes, there would certainly be a way there.

But my point, though, is that a two-hour flight, which by the way, costs less than the actual abortion, would be an option for you to fly into one of these states.

Or you would have to take a you'd have to drive one day, have the operation, maybe stay over in a hotel, and come back after that.

It's not nothing, but is it honestly, honestly, do we actually claim that this is some massive violation?

Even if you believe abortion is a, is a, I know, but it's not honest is what I'm saying.

No, I know that.

Even if you believe abortion is a fundamental human right, which is completely against all history and common sense, but if you do believe that, what you would have to do is invest a day or two in traveling to get one.

And I guarantee you, all of these organizations that say it's a human right and want your donations are going to accept donations from rich liberals all around the country to transport these women to these places to do this.

And they will, just like you realize when you have

different tax laws on tobacco, there will be abortion huts popping up right on the border of all of these states to serve all of these people.

I think that's a terrible outcome, but we have to recognize that it's real.

What else is real is there are organizations that already exist overseas that will mail you abortion pills if you live in an area where they believe abortion is too restrictive.

The rules against it are too restrictive.

So it is going to be basically impossible to eliminate this horror show

by law.

The only solution to this long-term, and this does not mean that we still go through this court process.

We still make it illegal everywhere we can.

We do everything we can to save even one life because that's really important.

But the only way to make this horror show to go away

in a real long-term fashion is to win the hearts and minds of people, to realize how terrible this is.

If you made slavery legal tomorrow, no one would be getting slaves because everyone recognizes that slavery is terrible, right?

You have to win people over on this.

You have to persuade them over a long period of time.

I believe honestly that that will happen.

I do believe eventually this country and this world will eventually see this process for what it is, but it's going to take a long time.

All right.

So that is why our, that's why Planned Parenthood is in our schools right now.

They're in our schools right now.

This is why this is all being jammed down their throats because they believe you have to win the hearts and minds of kids and the next generation.

And they are doing that effectively.

Now, your original question to me was, what does this mean politically?

Yeah, how does this affect the 2022 election?

Because I will say that

think it could honestly cost Republicans the election.

Fine.

I think that's where I am too.

If that's the cost of getting rid of Roe versus Wade, then that's the cost of getting rid of Roe versus Wade.

Okay, here's the thing.

Here's what's going to happen if it was overturned.

And again, we're looking at July.

The media is going to hype this.

as if it's a loss already for the left.

They'll be doing that now until the court comes out.

They are going to be saying,

you know, we're going to be living,

you know, the handmaiden's tale, it's coming, it's coming, it's coming, just to juice the left up.

That's what's going to happen now.

And it already is.

If it does turn out that they don't take any half measures, which I don't know, I can't find them in the court case yesterday, at least,

they're going to have to decide.

It either stands

Minnesota, the viability thing is either

good or we're going to stick to Roe versus Wade,

one or the other.

And it will have abortion huts on all of the borders of states that don't do abortion.

It's a horrible outcome.

You're going to see the biggest thing is a bigger divide in America.

And this is why I said, okay, if it costs 2022,

I know this is

dangerous to say because we can't afford to lose 2022.

But this is a soul thing.

If we are on the side of saving children, and we are,

these are babies.

These are children.

This is the second leading cause of death in America, abortion.

It's between heart disease, and the third is cancer.

Abortion is number two.

Think of the souls and the blood that is on all of our hands.

So if we lose, fine, so be it.

That may be the sacrifice that we give up and say, Lord, can you help protect us again, please?

Because we may lose.

We really need some divine providence to happen here.

And I would rather trust God than the voting machines, quite honestly.

And I'd rather position myself on his side and the side of history.

You just have to know we are on the right side of history.

Science is going to continue to move that line of viability back further and further and further.

People are going to see, in the end, what a monstrosity this really is.

I believe truly that in a hundred years, we are going to be looked back on as barbarians.

They really just killed all their children?

It was the second leading cause of death, and people didn't even talk about it?

We are going to be looked at as barbarians.

So what's going to happen?

You're going to have a deeper divide, and you're going to see the death cult get stronger.

They are because you know and I know that when it says

15 weeks, if they decide that the Mississippi law stands, that means that you can now have states decide we're not doing abortion or we are.

Everyone Everyone knows that Mississippi is not going to say 15 weeks if they're really free.

They're going to say no abortion.

Texas, no abortion.

And there's several states that will say no abortion.

They're not going to say in the blue states, oh, abortion as it is.

They too have an agenda.

They want abortions after birth.

So you're going to see states that go further in the other direction.

You're going to see evil increase in those states.

Guarantee it.

Guarantee it.

They've already told you that's what they want.

Let the baby be born, and then the mother has a time period where she can decide whether she wants to keep it or not.

They've already said that in Virginia and in New York.

So,

I personally like to know what I'm dealing with.

And I believe that we are not fighting flesh and bone.

We're not fighting our neighbors.

We're not fighting the Democrats.

We're fighting evil.

Evil has a chokehold on a lot of people right now.

And I'd rather have all of the people who aren't

captivated by evil yet before they get sucked in because it's awfully seductive and easy, I'd much much rather have it exposed.

So the good people can remain good people and say, yeah, we're not part of that at all because look at the death cult this is.

They said that they were just standing up.

They're not.

They're now killing babies after birth.

Get out of there.

And I think that's a stand.

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Does that sound reasonable to you?

I mean, we're not the only ones that are going to take this and go, oh,

okay, that means we're going to say no abortions.

That's going to take the reins off because the Supreme Court won't have to decide.

Yeah, and that's why I don't think the principle of this is, you know, sending it to the states.

While that is obviously, at the very least, what should happen.

I mean, it should not be illegal to kill your children.

Do I have like, I was thinking about this: if you had like a matrix-like dystopian future where you would describe this process, if we were aliens that came down from another planet and saw that movie, we'd think, oh, that's a no society would ever do that.

It really is insane.

You know,

people that are that are totally innocent in every

way are just being eliminated from society constantly to the tune of 62 million in the United States alone.

And by the way, overwhelmingly out of proportion toward minorities, as you pointed out.

Three to one.

Three to one.

Three to one.

And they're making the argument today that if you take this away, you're taking away the rights mainly of minorities.

Yeah.

Yeah, we want them to live.

Yeah.

We want more.

Here's the thing.

I know we're so racist, but here's the thing.

The result of our policy means tens of millions of black people being alive.

Three.

Three to one.

What's the result of your policy?

All I know is that there's tens of millions of black people that should be here right now, interacting with us, voting, doing all the things that they want to do with their lives.

And you know where they are?

Nowhere because of you.

It's not that's not our racism that did that.

That's you.

That's your policy on the left that eliminated tens of millions of black people.

Three to one.

It's almost as if it was by design.

We are living in the Matrix.

I know what that means, and people have dismissed it.

You know, Zuckerberg's like, well, there's a chance we are already living in the Matrix.

We are, just not in the way it was portrayed in the movie.

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maybe this hour.

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Oh my gosh.

We are dealing with so much insanity.

So much insanity.

And I'm telling you, all we have to do is just live by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Every argument you have with people,

you should be able to know, I can talk to you or not just by asking this.

When they start, they ask you something political, they want to talk about political, say, hey, listen, I just want to know

the ground rules here before we talk.

I want to know if we have enough in common

to be able to discuss things.

Because if we don't have this in common,

then we're just going to argue.

And I'd rather just be your friend.

And the question is, do you agree with the Bill of Rights?

Do you agree with the Bill of Rights?

Because if you agree with the Bill of Rights, so many of our problems leave the political realm and become very clear, very common sense.

Do you believe in the Bill of Rights?

That's why it's so dangerous when politicians say, this isn't about your freedom.

Yes, it is, because once you start cutting the corners of the Bill of Rights, All freedoms are lost because it's a little here and a little there and a little here and then a little more over here, and it's all gone.

And that's the point we're at.

Let me give you an example.

Should the government be able to close you down and drive you out of business without compensation?

And I mean real compensation.

I think the lawsuits against the federal government is you put my business out of business and you should pay for my business

because you took it from me and you wouldn't let me open up.

And

if I tried to stay alive, then you came in and you put all kinds of fines on me.

You even threatened me with jail time.

I'm going to give you a story.

This woman, all she did is she has a restaurant.

She tried to keep it open.

She faces criminal charges for staying open during COVID-19 mandates.

Her jury trial is coming up on Monday.

She could go to prison.

This is insane.

Lisa Hanson is with us now.

Hello, Lisa.

Hi, Glenn.

Thank you so much for having me on your show.

I can't believe, I mean, most of us feel, you know, I live in Texas.

COVID is not a thing anymore.

It just doesn't bother people down here anymore.

Where are you?

Tell me the story of what happened.

So I guess just if I can start off with this, Glenn, I just want to be very clear to your listening audience, and this has been my message all along.

You know, in the beginning when

all this took place,

this has never, the fight that I'm fighting has never been just about me and my company.

If it had just been about me and my company, I would have just closed my doors and walked away and figured out how to pay off the debt, you know, quietly and gone off into the

great blue yonder or whatever.

but this has been about the people of Minnesota and really for the people of the United States of America I'm thinking here our children and our grandchildren so just to be clear that's what this is all about there's no way I would have fought this fight just for little old me so what happened Glenn back in last year 2020 you know the governor our governor governor Waltz

closed down bars and restaurants and some other small businesses the first part of the year,

early in the year, and I complied.

Second shutdown, and I didn't survive.

The business, somehow we kept our doors open.

We did everything we could do.

You know, as entrepreneurs, we could try to figure it out.

But I said, I can't survive a second shutdown if he does this again, which he did.

He shut us down a second time in November of 2020.

Told my husband, I said, I'm either shutting down permanently, closing my doors forever, or I am opening up fully because what he's doing, what the state is doing against us is wrong.

So

I guess it,

you know, chose to open up fully because that was the right thing to do.

And

it was the right thing to do for our kids, for our grandkids.

I have eight kids.

I have nine grandkids with three on the way.

And I'm thinking of them and future generations and everybody else's kids and grandkids, right?

This is America.

So so they, once I opened back up fully, stopped following the unlawful mandates that are not law.

Governor can't make laws.

The state comes after me hard and heavy and

files criminal and civil charges against me.

And that's what I've been dealing with.

And we're going on almost a year now.

It was December 16th last year when I opened my doors fully, the day after I got a cease and assist from the state.

So

and in Minnesota, I just want to make sure, in Minnesota,

the governor has no right to enact a law and no authority with the executive branch to enforce even the emergency orders.

Is that right?

Absolutely right.

He has no authority.

There's no authority.

The executive branch has no authority to enforce his executive orders.

He didn't even have, he calls it an

act of nature, which in 2005, the legislation actually took away the power or the authority for governor to enact

an act of nature

the emergency order, yeah, due to emergency order, right?

So instead, in his executive order, he calls it, excuse me, not act of nature.

I'm using the wrong terminology here.

He called it a act,

he called it an act of nature, but in the next sentence in his executive order, if you'll look at it,

it is actually, he refers to the federal government calling it a health emergency.

So which that the health emergency is what the legislature removed

from the governor to

be able to enact that sort of mandate.

So anyway, we have so much corruption on every level.

Not only is

the executive branch,

I guess the best way to describe what's happening is that the judiciary is in lockstep with the executive branch in allowing the governor to usurp the limitations of power that are placed upon him by the state and federal constitutions.

So the judicial corruption involves, or in my cases, involves a refusal to address legal issues, absolute refusal,

that have answered, if they were answered by a truly independent judiciary having the duty to protect the rights of the people from the usurpation of the power by the legislative and executive branches, it would destroy the power structure that now has the people serving the government.

contrary to the

original order of sovereignty of God-man government.

That's really what we're dealing with.

Your problem in Minnesota is you've got George Soros affecting your judiciary, and you also have Keith Ellison as your attorney general.

I mean, you're in trouble up there.

Those are two major problems, aren't they?

Yes, they are.

They are.

Yeah, yeah.

So what we have as far as the judiciary process here is, you know, I've had a very,

I work with a great team, National Action Task Force.

They've been helping me as I'm going through this.

And I present as sui jurist, or some people might want to say pro se.

And so I don't have a lawyer.

And the reason that I'm doing that, and I think this is really important, Glenn, what I've seen from other folks in the state of Minnesota going through the same things that I am, where they defy the governor's suggestion to shut down.

You know, the state comes after them.

They hire a lawyer.

What I'm seeing happening is they're losing their cases.

they're making plea deals with the government.

And I said, that's not going to do what we what we are looking for is we're looking for a return of liberties and freedoms in the state of Minnesota.

So, and so the only way to be able to do that is to go into this court of law without an attorney because attorneys are so dang limited.

So, I'm I just I you know, I've watched enough Matt Locke and

enough

LA law to know not having an attorney is usually frowned upon.

And especially in the state of Minnesota, they don't like it when you step outside of the rules of their game.

And so they have tried to force me.

In fact, in the civil case, Glenn, I'll let you know this.

The civil case has actually been ruled upon by

a

judge.

And

he ruled he would not allow me.

Listen to this.

I'm a single shareholder.

I own my company, I'm the only shareholder.

He would not allow me to represent my company that was being sued by the state.

Although, even though the statutes, the Minnesota statutes clearly allow a single shareholder to represent their company, he would not allow it.

And so therefore, I was not allowed in the courtroom.

And therefore, I have what, that's an $18,000 fine or a sanction against me

because I supposedly lost that case because he would not allow me.

He wouldn't follow the law and allow me to represent my company.

This is insane what's going on.

You're looking at,

what, almost three years in jail.

Right.

Right.

It's a real possibility.

810 days.

That's how I say it.

$810 days.

$9,000.

Yeah,

up to $9,000 in fines.

So pretrial happened last week, the day before Thanksgiving.

We went into pretrial.

It was probably, I was told it was one of the longest pretrials, or maybe the longest pretrial in the history of one of the deputies that was there

watching over the case.

And it was almost a three-hour pretrial.

The reason it was so long is because There are so many legal, constitutional, statutory, legal issues on the record, and I went point by point by point with the judge.

Now, in a pretrial, according to statute,

the judge is required to hear and to make determinations.

Correct.

At that pretrial.

Correct.

No determination was made.

Zero determinations were made.

Now, I'm going into pretrial on Monday, December 6th, with

no, sorry, not pre-trial, jury trial.

I'm going into jury trial on Monday, December 6th.

I have

no determinations have been made.

No rulings have been made.

No answers have been given to me on all my legal issues and I did send you that document I know it's a lot to go through but it's really interesting to see how this is all playing out it's as if there's no rule of law anymore the judge should have

and you know what Glenn I still have no today is Thursday a week later I still have no determination from the judge on so how are you supposed to be

I mean is the judge just going to tell you oh yeah you can't bring that up you can't do that during the trial what

I wouldn't be surprised I won't be surprised.

And I will stand on my constitutional and common law rights.

I will absolutely stand on what is given to us as the people.

I'm going to hold his feet to the fire.

And

he's got to do one of two things.

He's got to allow me to present my defense.

I have the right to defend myself.

Let me ask you,

is there video allowed in this trial?

I mean, do they have a camera that you can get public access for?

Well,

if I understand you correctly,

no, there's no video, no audio allowed in this public trial, mind you.

Find out about that because

I'd love to have some attorneys watch this.

This should be seen.

If not, I'd like to know somebody who is a real journalist that is on the freedom side, that could actually go to the court or maybe there's somebody in our audience that is a very good attorney that could go sit in the court and give us a blow-by-blow on what's happening in your case.

I've got a run, but I do want to say this.

She has set up a GoFundMe page.

Her goal is to raise $30,000 as of

Wednesday afternoon.

That was yesterday.

$12,000 have been raised.

What is the GoFundMe page?

It's GoFundMe slash We the People together.

And that's a hyphen in between.

We hyphen the hyphen people hyphen together.

We the people together.

GofundMe.com.

Thank you so much, Lisa.

We will follow up on this and let you know what is going on.

And if there's anything we can do to help you, let us know.

Again, gofundme.com/slash we the people.

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We have Mike Lee coming in in just a minute.

He's going to tell us all about

what his thoughts are on the

abortion case, Roe versus Wade,

yesterday from Mississippi and in the Supreme Court.

We're going to talk to him about that.

Standby for that.

I wonder if he can find this right in the Constitution.

Maybe he's been able to locate it.

Yeah, maybe he has.

There is also the audio, if we have it and can, if we have time to play it, the NBC news audio.

This is coming from the

Rittenhouse jury trial, where NBC had one of their reporters and photographers trying to follow the jury van.

They said in a statement, they never did that.

They never did that.

That's not what this is the actual audio and video from the cops vest.

Look at this.

What's the significance of you being here?

I work for NBC.

For

NBC?

Yeah.

Okay.

You're a reporter?

Producer.

Producer?

Okay.

Alright.

Yeah.

They stopped him going through a red light.

So were you following a vehicle?

I was trying to see, I was being called by New York going, maybe

these

people you need to follow up, but I don't know.

I was trying to.

You were trying to what?

Just do what they told me to do.

New York told you to follow a vehicle?

Yeah.

What, your offices offices in New York or what?

That's right.

How did they know about this vehicle?

I mean, it was a screen.

I wasn't like

talking to anybody.

Just trying to find a location.

That's all.

So,

incredible.

So, remember, NBC died.

He's told to follow this vehicle from his offices in New York.

Whatever.

The NBC office in New York?

The NBC office in New York.

They get them on on the phone.

This cop gets them on the phone.

And

NBC says, yeah, we're following the jury.

No!

I've heard a lot of people talk about what happened in the Supreme Court yesterday.

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could also very well be the next Supreme Court justice.

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He has clerked for, I think, two of the Supreme Court justices.

One of them, I think, just passed away, but he's clerked for two of them.

He knows these guys, and he's going to give us his read on what happened yesterday with Supreme Court in 60 seconds.

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So there's an anarchist brief that was filed.

Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Josh Hawley,

as a friend of the court.

supporting this Mississippi law.

We wanted to get Mike Lee's thoughts on

what happened yesterday and where the court may be headed.

Hi, Mike.

Hello.

Good to be with you.

Yeah, good to have you.

So tell me,

I can't wait to hear.

Look, there were really strong arguments made yesterday.

They made a great case against Roe and against Casey.

At the end of the day, as I pointed out in the front of the court brief that I submitted along with Senators Hawley and Cruz,

there isn't a constitutional case to be made for Roe and Casey, nor is there a case for applying starry decisis and deferring to the court's own prior precedent here because that precedent has proven so unworkable.

Shoot, the lower courts,

let alone the Supreme Court itself, can't even agree on what Roe and Casey mean and what its outer bound limits are.

And for that very reason,

it can't stand.

But there's a reason for that.

When you make something up out of whole cloth, when it has no foundation at all in the Constitution or in 500 years of Anglo-American jurisprudence, things are going to get really messed up.

And that's exactly what has happened.

I think yesterday a compelling case was made for the fact that Roe and Casey will be overruled and that the Mississippi law will be upheld.

So in your conclusion on the Zamakutz brief, you say the status quo is unattenable.

Where legal doctrine has repeatedly failed to offer clarity, where it is proved unworkable in the past and will likely engender unpredictable consequences in the future, its existence constitutes an open invitation to judges to interpret it according to their own policy preferences, usurping the constitutional prerogatives of the legislature.

That actually, I think, is

the other side feels kind of the same way, that

you cannot

have a halfway measure here.

It's either all in or all out.

Yeah,

I think that's right.

And I think the answer has to be all in.

The reason, Glenn, is this is a legislative determination.

It is not a judicial one.

It's not rooted in the Constitution.

And to be very, very clear,

it's important

to remind ourselves that overturning Roe and Casey does not

mean that abortion would all of a sudden automatically be unlawful throughout the United States of America.

It doesn't make it illegal, doesn't make it criminal, it simply says people can decide these things through their elected lawmakers.

And the folks in Mississippi have decided that they want to protect unborn human life after 15 weeks of development, after the baby has developed eyelids and fingers and toes, and the the baby can suck her thumb.

Other states might decide to do differently.

I suspect that the abortion laws in Massachusetts and New York post-overturning of Rowan Casey would look different from those in Mississippi or Utah.

I think, Mike, I think they're going to...

That's what we live in.

That's our form of government.

I think that we are looking at the, you know, because we're not going to limit it to 15 weeks.

If this is overturned, Texas and Mississippi, they're going to say, no, no abortion here.

But you're going to see the opposite in California and Massachusetts and New York.

You're going to see, yeah, well, maybe I can kill them

after they're born because that's really where they're going.

It's a death cult, and that's really where they're headed.

That's what they want.

And

I think you're going to see some real

crazy but eye-opening decisions in states

if this is overturned.

Would you agree with that?

Yes, I think that's absolutely right.

That's how the Constitution works.

People are allowed to enact foolish, crazy, ridiculous laws in their respective states.

Not every bad idea is unconstitutional.

And no matter how bad their laws get in this area, it doesn't mean that they can't do it.

Our constitutional structure is set up in such a way as to allow people to enact the laws that they deem appropriate, subject to certain limitations imposed on the states by the Constitution.

As long as you don't transgress one of those,

and abortion isn't on the list of things that states can't do in the Constitution, then you're okay.

So when you had, I think it was Kagan yesterday that said,

you know, there's lots of things.

No, Sotomayor.

There's a lot of things that are not in the Constitution.

I actually cheered for that because they were going for

what specifically, what right in the Constitution is being violated?

And they couldn't really come up with one.

They asked several times, what is it that you're saying is constitutionally protected here?

And Sodomayor came out and said, well, there's lots of things that aren't in the Constitution.

Well, yes, doesn't that make the case for Mississippi that it goes back according to the 10th Amendment to the people and the states.

Yes, that is absolutely what it says.

By the way, speaking of Justice Sotomayor, I thought she was very tone deaf on this and so many issues.

One lowlight of the entire conversation was when Justice Sotomayor very offensively stated that a baby's reaction to painful stimuli in the womb does not necessarily indicate that the child in fact feels pain.

And she referenced people in vegetative states that have some muscle movement to painful stimulus.

What the heck is that supposed to mean?

Hang on just a second.

Let me play that cut.

Cut people?

Cut 18 from Sodomaiora.

Here's what he's talking about.

The literature is filled with episodes of people who are completely and utterly blind

responding to stimuli.

There's about 40% of dead people who, if you touch their feet, the foot will recoil.

There are spontaneous acts by dead-brained people.

So I don't think that a response

by a fetus necessarily proves that there's a sensation of pain or that there's consciousness.

Well, what

position...

A, the science will show that's not true.

Follow the science.

I hate to say that.

The science will show that's not true.

But what in her judicial role, Mike, gives her thought that maybe

that's a good constitutional point to throw out there?

I almost hesitate to answer the question because it's so gruesome.

But I think she somehow thinks...

That unless a person is able to communicate with the world, if they are in a vegetative state or if they are, as she put it, dead brain people.

I don't know what a dead brain person is.

I assume she meant brain dead people.

That they're not human life.

See, that's the essence of what we're dealing with here.

We're dealing with human beings who are deemed less than human.

Glenn, bad things happen in any civilization.

Bad things have happened in our civilization whenever we have allowed societies to treat some people as not human, that's exactly what's happening here.

And they've made it up out of whole cloth.

Look,

we need to get back to the Constitution here, and we need to allow elected lawmakers to make laws, not nine lawyers dressed up in robes.

I will tell you this, Mike, that I really believe I read an article that said pretty much the same thing today

from the Federalist:

that

the response will be, in the end, from the right,

Mike Lee, that Mike Lee will be the next Supreme Court justice.

If this fails,

we are so fed up with

giving and, well, we're just going to trust and we didn't really know for sure.

We want to know.

We want to know.

It's time to know.

Do you believe that that is a constitutionally protected right or not?

And if you say no,

it's not great.

If you say, well, I'm not sure, I wouldn't want to speak out about that, goodbye.

It's time to know that our Supreme Court justices understand the Constitution and read it the same way as the people who are electing the president to choose that person.

It would be a novel concept for us to know that.

It's especially important when you live in an era in which judges have taken upon themselves the mantle of lawmakers.

I look forward to the day when that's no longer the case.

But I want to be very clear.

This is that case.

This needs to happen now in this case.

There isn't really going to be a better opportunity than this case.

If they try to find a middle ground on this one, if they try to preserve Rowan Casey while upholding this law, it doesn't work.

Why?

It's not going to work.

Because we will be saddled with the same infirm foundation that we've had for 48 years.

Look, there were 19 years that passed between when Roe was decided in 1973 and Casey was decided in 1992.

The time

that the decision was rendered, Justice Kennedy proclaimed for the court, oh, okay, the debate is finally over.

We're finally putting this to rest.

19 years after Roe, 29 years have now elapsed since Casey to now.

It hasn't been put to rest.

And it hasn't been because it's built on nothing.

And you can't take a debatable matter in society and render it beyond debate while quoting the Constitution unless what you're quoting from the Constitution actually supports what you say it does.

This isn't going away.

This case has to be decided, and that decision has to involve overturning Roe versus Wade.

Looking at their case on the other side fairly from their perspective, can you find anything

in what they say that ties to the Constitution?

Not the way you read it, but the way they read it.

Can you find, because I couldn't find it yesterday, and I think that

Thomas and others were like, where?

What are we talking about?

Can you find what they're saying is constitutionally protected?

No, no, you can't find it.

And have they articulated anything?

Yeah.

Yeah.

If they explain it.

Now, very rarely, when you try to pin someone down, will they go through all the motions to explain it?

But if you did, if you could, for those who could go through the analysis, they couldn't do it without falling back on these really weird terms.

talking about emanations

collectively overlapping and forming penumbras going out from freestanding existing constitutional protections that are themselves broad enough to cover privacy within the marital bedroom extending to the killing of an unborn child.

Those kinds of verbal gymnastics are what you have to go through,

adding inference upon inference based on language that's not even in the Constitution.

That's how they got to the Fifth Amendment.

I think because I heard them quote the Fifth Amendment, I'm looking at it and I'm like, there's nothing in the Fifth Amendment that would even remotely cover abortion.

Is there?

Okay, so

they would have been more likely referring to the due process clause of the 14th Amendment.

We're dealing with a state law here.

The 14th Amendment's due process clause deals with the states.

The Fifth Amendment's due process clause deals with Congress, with the federal government.

And so they believe that it's an outgrowth of due process, therefore the 14th Amendment's version of the due process clause.

And that due process, when read in conjunction with other freestanding protections in the Bill of Rights,

includes abortion because there are emanations from each of those freestanding protections, and those form penumbras or these shadowy things.

It makes no sense.

Look,

when my twin boys, James and John, were in junior high, I required them to read Briswald versus Connecticut, which was the predecessor case to Roe v.

Wade.

I put them in different parts of the house.

I wanted them to rate it and just see what they thought.

They could both recognize in junior high that this was made up,

that this was like an insult to verbal gymnastics.

These were contortions.

They were deceptions.

Let me pretend I didn't know that.

Let me pretend I didn't know that case by heart.

What was the name of it again?

You had your sons read?

Connecticut.

What is it?

Yes,

Griswold versus Connecticut.

Connecticut.

Okay,

I'm sure this is discussed all the time at a dinner table.

Oh, yeah, and my kids, I had them read it, you know, but long before you're, I had them read it in fourth grade, but that's a different story.

Real quick, guys, I've got to go to a network break.

But Mike, how does this end, do you think?

I believe it ends with the overturning of Roe versus Wig.

I think there will likely be five votes, possibly six, to overturn Roe and Casey.

The Supreme Court, the nine justices alone, no staff, anyone else, will meet tomorrow afternoon in private to discuss the case.

The case will then be more or less decided.

We won't know what the outcome is until likely late June.

Wow.

So, Mike, if you're a praying person, I'd encourage you to pray for the court between now and tomorrow.

Thank you so much.

God bless you, Mike.

Thanks.

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Okay.

That kind of frames things differently for me.

I like the optimism

from Mike Lee.

I hope you guys are not.

And

Mike is not an optimistic guy when it comes to the Supreme Court usually.

Yes.

I mean, I've talked to him, you know, through Obamacare and everything else, and he's like, look, this is what it says, but I don't think they're going.

This is what should be done, but I I don't think they're going to do that.

Well, this is, as he pointed out, the opportunity, right?

I don't think my whole life that I remember an opportunity like this.

I mean, the Casey case was in the 90s and really the last chance to take this on just full force.

But this is a court that was, you know, actually seems to look at the Constitution and care about what's inside of it.

And they don't get everything right.

It's going that way.

It's going that way.

This is the first real example where they could set something right.

You know,

it's rare that you see something this big

go back to the people.

And that's all that we're arguing about here, really.

That's all the case is about.

That's all this case is about.

It's not about abortion.

It's about who decides this philosophical buzzsaw.

We don't like to to talk about it because everybody has a different point of view.

And that's what this case really is all about.

Do these nine people have the right to make the decision about something so divisive as this,

where people don't really know?

Or should it be left into the hands as close to the people as possible?

Because the people in New York might think something different than the people here in Texas.

And I know the people in Texas think different thoughts than they do in California.

And why should we have to live under the California kind of mindset and have them rule over our conscience?

And

why should Texans have their conscience rule over the people that are living in New York?

And that's the case they're making to the Supreme Court.

Yes.

That I don't believe is the correct principle in this particular case.

I think this is murder.

So it's

different.

You don't get to make up your own state laws.

But we're going to allow it.

Right, but that is the argument that is in the front of the Supreme Court.

It's not about abortion, it's about do you get to decide, or these nine old people.

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I want to say hello to a very dear friend of mine, somebody I have

more respect for than almost anybody I know.

His name is Edwin Black.

He is the host of the podcast, The Enwood Black Show.

He is the author of IBM and the Holocaust

and a book that I am rereading right now, The Farhood,

which is

everybody should read this book.

It's phenomenal what you will learn about history that you had no idea.

We talked about having him on a few days ago for the anniversary of, and I'm going to butcher this, Edwin, I'm sorry, Yom Hagi Rush.

Yah Yam Hagh.

You pronounced it perfectly.

Okay, you're such a good liar.

Well, I am not familiar with the day of expulsion.

Can you tell me what that is?

Yes.

The day of expulsion, Yom Ha Girush, is actually

a commemoration day that I personally proclaimed and conceived.

It denotes the sad tragedy of some 15 Arab countries publicly and prominently and in a coordinated fashion expelling some 850,000 of their Jewish residents, penniless and stateless, many of whom were forced by this move to be airlifted on an emergency basis to Israel.

It was forgotten by many in the community.

I resurrected it when I

brought the Farhood and the Arab Nazi alliance to the fore.

And in 2014, the Israeli government decided that this would be a worldwide observance of this expulsion, but it had no name.

And the word Yom Ha Girush means day of the expulsion.

And in conjunction with my colleagues, I was able to get identification and identity for this November 30th, for November 30th, which we just observed and forevermore as the day of regret when 850,000 men, women, and children, many of whom their families had lived in these countries for 2,700 years, were summarily expelled without a penny to their name and stateless and had to be rescued.

What year did this happen?

This happened.

It was warned.

It was on the front page of the New York Times.

It was done in broad daylight.

It was argued at the UN.

This occurred just after the partition vote,

UN Resolution 181, that said there would be two states, a Jewish state and an Arab state.

Now, at that time, the word Palestinian only meant a Jewish Zionist.

In 1964, there was identity theft, and the Arabs in the area with the help of the KGB, which had invented the Palestine Liberation Organization, expropriated the name Palestinians.

And so this occurred just within five years of the world learning that six million Jews had been exterminated by the Nazis.

And ironically, the only international organization that helped the Nazis in their persecution of the Jews was the International Arab Community through the Arab Higher

Committee, and that was led by the Mufti of Jerusalem, Al-Husseini.

Edwin, I have to have you back in studio with me because

we have collected a few things

from the Arab Nazis that are just phenomenal.

I show it to people when they come by in a tour, and they're like, wait, wait, what?

And it's just

the history that is not taught, you will completely unlock the understanding of what's happening in the Middle East and be able to see good versus evil so clearly when you understand

the pretty recent history of the Nazi influence

in the Middle East.

Could you just, let me change subjects here for just a second.

IBM and the Holocaust, you were on with me, I think, for a podcast, and we went over,

oh, gosh, what was his name?

The guy that was the head of IBM during World War II?

Watson.

Okay, can you just quickly, in two minutes, tell the story?

I mean, it's important to understand, Watson is the name of the IBM

computer that they are now using to diagnose people.

This is going to be the replacement for your doctor.

And I believe it's A, a good thing, and B, is going to happen.

But it will be able to look at all of disease and

everybody's records and be able to go, that's probably what you have.

And it'll be much more accurate.

But it's called Watson.

And what's terrifying about this is the arrogance of IBM and the people involved with this to call it Watson.

Because who was he, Edwin?

Well, Thomas J.

Watson, well, first of all, yes, we need every medical advance and every medical automation that we can possibly invent.

But it doesn't need to be named for a sociopathic war criminal, Thomas J.

Watson, who was a convicted extortionist before he ever came to IBM and who personally micromanaged

the collaboration with the Third Reich that automated all six phases of the Holocaust.

That's the identification of the Jews, the expulsion from society, the confiscation of their assets, their ghettoization, their deportation on trains, and even their extermination.

My book, IBM and the Holocaust, just hit its 20th anniversary.

Not a comma has been changed.

IBM, over the past two decades.

We've lost him?

Are you there?

No, you.

Oh, you're breaking up.

You said after two decades, not a comma has changed, even though IBM has fought you.

No, IBM has been silent.

They have never denied a single sentence.

Their surrogates.

Their surrogates in the press have fought you.

Oh, yes,

of course.

But the book has withstood the test of time.

Not a single comma has been changed.

IBM has never privately or publicly denied any sentence within the book.

And remember, Thomas J.

Watson received a medal from Adolf Hitler in Berlin that was invented specifically to honor the single foreigner who was the most helpful to the Third Reich.

So it is really frightening because it's not just history that people don't know.

And now this is what they're calling their medical

device at IBM, named after him.

He was instrumental.

and knew, absolutely knew what was going on in the concentration camps.

IBM people were repairing those things every two weeks.

And Edwin has all of the documents in this book.

But it's also not just for history, it is for the future.

Look at where,

look at how these giant information companies, Facebook, Google, all of these companies are now working hand in hand and helping the Chinese round people up for their concentration camps.

Nothing has happened.

Nothing has changed.

IBM and the Holocaust.

Well, Google and the internment of the Uyghurs.

We know that's a genocide.

They haven't changed because nobody's been ever held responsible for it.

Am I wrong, Edwin?

There is no question that those who

state never again have been shocked to certify that never again is now and now means the Uyghurs.

The Uyghurs, there's probably a million of them, have been rounded up.

Their children have been seized, their women have been sterilized and raped, they're in concentration camp, there's forced labor, and what we are seeing is we're seeing an MBA and a LeBron James who take a knee for justice on a knee pad and with a shoe made by slave labor and Uyghur

cotton in communist China.

Okay, let me ask you one last question.

Last time you were on,

I think, the radio program, we had just done a podcast with you where you laid out the, I can't remember, seven or eight steps to the Holocaust.

And you said you could have even all

seven steps in place, but still be a long way away from the Holocaust.

So it doesn't guarantee anything.

have we since we spoke maybe a year ago are we closer or further away which direction are we headed

that's a weird time for it to cut off is he there

he is there there you okay there you are go ahead

the wrong direction

Okay,

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Truly, and

you don't hear me say this, I don't think very often, if ever,

one of my real heroes in life today, and I think the bravest man I know and a guy who has dedicated dedicated his life to truth against all odds is Edwin Black.

And

I so respect him, and it's an honor to have him on the program.

Again, the host of the Edwin Black show, which is a podcast, author of IBM and the Holocaust and the Farhood,

F-A-R-H-U-D, a must-read for anybody who is interested in what's really going on in the Middle East, if you want to understand it from the perspective of history.

Edwin, you lined up all of the steps of the Holocaust.

Can you go through those, what is it, seven or eight steps?

Yes, I will.

But just to answer your question, before we were cut off, whether we're getting closer or further away from the events that occurred during World War II, the answer is we're going in the wrong direction.

The first step that IBM outlined in concert with Hitler's request for a final solution was identification.

Well, everyone is now identified.

The second step wait, wait, wait, wait.

And we are going worse on that.

This talk of these biometric passports is

really, I mean, that's Hitler's dream.

Yes.

What

might occur over years has now taken place within a matter of months, and that is the identification of everyone, not only who they are, who they know, but where they are, and probably where they have been and where they are going.

So, step one is identification.

Step two is exclusion.

Once people are identified, they're excluded from society.

In the case of the Nazis, the Jews were fired from their jobs.

They were kicked out of associations.

Step three is expropriation, pauperization, special fines,

seizure of assets, criminalization of conduct with financial

penalties.

Wow.

We have, since we talked, we have made massive progress in the wrong direction on all three of those.

Massive.

Well,

I just heard that

it might be Austria, I'm not sure.

One of the overseas countries is planning on fining people $4,000 if they've not yet been vaccinated.

The next step after plauperization is ghettoization.

And I should say that in the northern territories of Australia, they're now speaking of creating camps

for the unvaccinated, especially among the Aborigines.

Obviously, nobody wants to get into

step five and step six.

Step five was deportation, and step six is extermination.

IBM assisted in that, but of course, that's not even a discussable matter at this point.

Right.

And those last two,

even if we have six out of the seven, it's still not what the Nazis did.

And still can turn it around.

But it becomes more and more difficult because if you get the wrong people in power on either side,

you get the wrong people in power and they turn this machine on.

And what happened over a decade and a half or a decade for sure in Germany

happens overnight.

Overnight.

We are several horizons

away from an irretrievable step.

Right now, there is absolutely time to seize control of the situation, to reverse the situation.

I was just writing yesterday that in my book, War Against Weak, which you know on

eugenics,

in Connecticut in 1938,

the governor had organized a

program where people went door to door,

made

a public health assessment of

their their eugenic or genetic health.

And then those who did not fare, they planned to

expel

the Ozarks to special camps.

Isn't that crazy?

I mean,

if you don't know any of this, you need to read Edwin Black's books.

IBM and the Holocaust,

The War on the Week is unbelievable.

Edwin Black, the Edwin Black Show.

You can find his podcast everywhere.

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