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The best thing I have heard or read about the debacle

in Afghanistan comes from Andrew Stiles.

And he writes, the U.S.

military withdrawal from Afghanistan has quickly become the most embarrassing national security debacle since the Vietnam War.

Perhaps more importantly, however, the debacle is one of the most inclusive of its kind in American history.

Let's share with you what Andrew Stiles lines out because maybe this is a win for inclusivity.

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So, Andrew Stiles

has written something for the free beacon that

I just love.

It is really important that, you know, hey, didn't all of our mothers say turn that frown upside down?

Let's look for the positives in what happened in Afghanistan.

Because yes, yes, it was the biggest embarrassment in American history.

You know,

people said that this is like Saigon.

No, it's not.

It's not like Saigon because nobody was hanging on to to the helicopter and then plunging to their death after takeoff.

So it wasn't like Saigon.

They're right.

But he writes, the Biden administration's Afghanistan policy may have failed in the conventional sense, but it was remarkably successful in the terms of gender and racial diversity of the individuals responsible for that failure.

Many will die as a result, but blame for their deaths will be shared among an impressive array of female and people of color in official capacities.

All in all, this is a triumph of American inclusiveness and exceptionalism.

For instance, Vice President Kamala Harris was reportedly the last person in the room with President Joe Biden when he made the decision to withdraw American troops from Afghanistan.

Harris,

a

female person of color, she is

a Tamil Indian, Afro-Jamaican descent, and she's also in charge of Biden administration's failed efforts to secure our southern border.

So she's, you know, she is, she's quite an amazing woman, and her chief spokesperson is also

Also a person of color.

Now, if you want to go a little further, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, first African-American to serve in that position and the first to preside over military defeat in such an extraordinary magnitude.

So he'll be remembered.

Avriel Haynes, the director of national intelligence, she's the first woman to oversee an epic intelligence failure after the U.S.

spy agencies estimated the Taliban would overrun Kabul within 90 days of U.S.

withdrawal.

It just happened in 72 hours.

But

she, I mean, she is going to be remembered as the first woman to really oversee something this horrific.

By the way, glass ceiling shattered.

Shattered.

Shattered.

She also used to host regular erotica night events in bookstores in Baltimore.

So we got that going for her.

We got her.

What?

Is that true?

I'm not up about it.

That's absolutely true.

Yeah.

Avril Haynes.

Another important figure in Biden's decision to withdraw from Afghanistan is the Deputy Secretary of State, Wendy Sherman.

Now, she was the former director of Emily's List, who served as a lead negotiator for the Iran nuclear deal.

And she was joined by Victoria Newland, the Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs.

Newland prepared, you know,

at Choate Rosemary Hall.

She graduated from Brown University, served as a non-resident fellow at the Brookings Institution, and she is also a woman who has defended Chinese propaganda.

But she's a woman.

She's a woman, and she was there.

Okay, and that counts for something.

Linda Thomas Greenfield, the U.S.

Ambassador to the United Nations, she provided invaluable representation as a person of color with a vagina.

Alejandro Mayorkas, the Secretary of Homeland Security, critical voice from the Latinx community as he oversaw the administration's effort to provide visa to military interpreters and other Afghan refugees.

Now, I mean,

it didn't really work out, but the blood of those people will be on the most diverse set of hands in the history of American decision-making.

And I think that's great.

That is...

Now, White House press secretary Jen Saki, conveniently out of the office until the 22nd of August, but she has been both a fearless defender of the administration's decision to withdraw from Afghanistan, a stern critic of the Taliban.

She has a vagina.

Last week, she warned that the militant group

has to make an assessment about what they want their role to be in the international community.

And

I think that kind of dress down

from Saki,

again, a woman,

is amazing.

And she's just not a woman, okay?

She is also a proud member of the

underrepresented ginger American community.

You don't see a lot of gingers, and especially gingers in power.

Not in this country, at least.

No, you don't.

Not enough, Glenn.

Not enough.

Not enough.

Not enough.

So,

I I mean, that is a diverse group of people.

Of course,

Biden represents those people who are in cognitive decline,

you know, the older set that just can't do it anymore.

And that is upper, you know, that's underrepresented in most boardrooms, you know, or the highest levels of

corporate

organization attempting to be competent.

Don't normally employ it.

Don't take the brave step of taking someone who is incompetent and put them in charge.

And we've done that.

I mean, I think that, you know, when you get somebody who is cognitively completely checked out,

that is an important underrepresented,

underrepresented viewpoint.

Truly.

It was an interesting choice to put as a leader someone who's incompetent and incontinent, which is

not usually done.

Not the normal sound.

It's not usually done.

And I was under the impression, Glenn, I have to say, that I thought maybe, and this is,

I shouldn't admit this on the air, but I was under the impression that only white men could fail this spectacularly.

No.

And that is, that's why we have to celebrate

inclusiveness and we have to celebrate

the fact that we see now people of color, people with vaginas,

people that are ginger, people that are completely incapacitated because they're so old.

Yes.

They can

bring about the biggest debacle in all of American history.

And I think that is

something that we should just pause for a minute

and look at.

But, you know, I will tell you that it is

more than just this because we have to go back to President Obama

and really a tip of the hat to President Obama for this because

you know he was the guy who really laid the groundwork for all of this and I think it's great

in 2014 we all might remember the five Taliban commanders remember that were released from Gitmo and weep

white guys like me we were like don't do that that's really, these guys are really bad.

But he pointed out that, no, no, now they've been in jail now since 2002 and they can go back and be productive members of society.

And

it was Barack Obama, again, a person of color,

just to show the diversity.

There were white people involved.

There were men.

There were blacks.

There were

Native Americans.

there were Indians, there were all kinds of different people involved in this decision that made it as spectacular

as it really is.

I mean, when you want to say, hey, did the white people

just take off on an airplane where a bunch of people were hanging onto the sides and have them fall to the death?

You'll say, no, no.

That was a community that made that happen.

That's great.

And so when you look at the new commander

of the Taliban, the guy who's in charge of the Taliban, I just want you to know that he was in Gitmo until 2014.

He was taken in 2002 because

he ⁇ now don't judge him, okay?

He was one of the main liaisons with al-Qaeda.

while he was functioning in

the original Taliban

government.

so someone that can work well with others yes absolutely absolutely uh and he was really I mean he was really doing some some some great things back then he was the uh minister of the interior now here the minister of interior would oversee our national parks and things like that but over in the Taliban the minister of interior is the guy that oversees the enforcement of the Islamist punishments So he was the guy who was in charge of cutting people's hands and heads off,

you know,

stonings and those kinds of things.

That was his job.

And we captured him in 2002 because he was not a good guy.

So we sent him to prison.

And then in 2014, Barack Obama finds this guy who we all know is a hero.

You remember Bo Bergdahl?

Yeah, the Army sergeant

that was taken

by

the extremists and

he was taken

and,

well, not tortured, but he was held for two years.

And then during that two years, suddenly they became very, very good at targeting our troops.

And later, you know, later we find out that,

you know,

he pleaded guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy and was sentenced to a dishonorable discharge.

And, well, he appealed, but

the courts

upheld the conviction against him.

So, you know, and several soldiers were killed or seriously injured during the search and rescue missions to find him.

Sorry, it wasn't two years.

It was five years in captivity.

And that's when Obama celebrated him as a heroic POW,

something that the Pentagon never said, obviously, because they were getting ready to,

you know, charge him with serious crimes.

But then his dad, you know, praised Allah in the Rose Garden, and

it was great.

It was great.

We traded him

for the guy who's now leading the Taliban.

So I think we have even,

you know, when you think this is bad

then you realize no no no this collection of

very diverse people I was thinking back to the

immortal words of Bo Bergdahl you know and I'm glad that we traded this Taliban

you know leader

for for him and I was thinking back to what he was saying about America and how much he loved it and when he when he said I'm sorry for everything here these people need help yet what they get is the most conceited country in the world telling them that they are nothing and that they are stupid and they have no idea how to live.

I am sorry for everything.

The horror that is America is disgusting.

Oh, I'm glad we got him.

Yeah, I'm glad we got him back.

We traded him for only five Taliban leaders, including the leader.

The leader now who's in charge of Afghanistan, who, by the way, has promised there will be a very diverse Taliban.

They are not going to overlook women this time around.

So

He'll kill them just as fast as anybody else.

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So I have

recently found a woman who I just think is really quite brilliant.

She does a podcast for Ricochet, and her name is Michaela Goetz.

And she wrote to me last night, and she said, I've been thinking about the people of Afghanistan.

And many nights in my prayers, I say, thank you, God, for choosing me to be a person and to live in America and to live right now.

Considering that God could have dropped me down at any place at any time, I'm floored that I was chosen to be born here in America at this time.

Watching the last hope for freedom fade into in real time for people in Afghanistan, I can't help but wonder why one of them is not me.

Why is it them and not me?

As people literally hold on to airplanes in the hopes of leaving their country, I'm sitting here concerned about rising gas prices.

As the Taliban strips women of their person-ness in America, we're concerned about female athletes being paid less than their male counterparts.

A little perspective changes everything.

Not that in America we're not facing real challenges.

We are, but I still thank God every day I was born in America and somewhere

somewhere Afghanistan like Afghanistan I was not born in.

Watching the Taliban make such a radical advance makes the preservation of American ideas even more paramount.

Freedom is being stripped away from people of Afghanistan.

Surely

we can't willingly hand ours away in America.

Surely we won't do that.

She wrote, When I was in Ukraine, a man saw my U.S.

passport sneaking out of my backpack as I put my things away.

Ah,

the golden ticket, he said.

Every day in Ukraine, someone would tell me of their dream and

their dream of coming to work in America.

I even had a few marriage proposals.

But my best friend in Ukraine, Anna, wanted to come to America and sell jewelry.

My aunt and uncle owned a jewelry store in my town.

I always considered working there as kind of the backup should I really need a job and fail at everything else.

Considering that Anna's dream is my last resort backup really shook me at the time.

God loves Anna the same as he loves me.

Anna's faithful, intelligent, and tough.

She'd be a great American.

And yet, for some reason, I was born with a golden ticket and not her.

In no way is that justified, and yet it is.

The question is, because God has given me so much, what can I give in return?

How can I be worthy of the blessing of being an American today?

That's the question I'm asking myself today.

The Taliban is gaining ground.

Freedom is being globally challenged.

And we seem to be giving ours away.

What can I do with the blessing of being an American today?

That

is real perspective.

That is

what we should be thinking of today.

How blessed we are to live here, and we didn't have to scramble onto an airplane or hold on to the tires as it was lifting off.

We were given this.

And for anybody who thinks that America isn't the best,

would you hold on to the outside of an airplane if it was flying there?

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I don't see anybody doing that to get to Afghanistan or any other country.

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Thank you.

Boy, I was proud of our president yesterday.

Oh, bursting.

He was bursting with Brian.

Yeah, he took the story.

The buck stops here.

Well, except for the, you know, the part that the

part where he blamed Trump.

Yeah, and the part that he blamed.

And the Afghanistan.

And the Afghan people.

Well, as he said, the buck stops here except for wherever Trump and the

buck stops here.

Whose fault it really is?

I mean, it's really their fault.

It's really their fault.

It's not mine.

But the buck stops directly.

Right.

And it was important to know that, that he made the decision, but he was forced into the decision.

By Trump.

By Trump.

This is the one thing that's been focused on.

Well, he follows the Trump plan like he's done so many other times.

Every time.

Man, if he's followed one Trump plan, he's followed all.

He

refuses to change it up at all from the direction that Trump was going.

Yeah, it was too good.

That's why this is a, that's why that was a good excuse.

Yeah.

Because of his consistency on all the other Trump-related matters.

Like the border.

Yeah.

For instance.

Just

straight ahead.

Straight ahead.

Exactly.

Keep it going.

I mean, the nice thing is

the way

he is so consistent.

The way the border is going is exactly the way

Pakistan is going.

You mean worse than ever before.

Yes.

Okay.

What about inflation, though?

That's not going the same way as it is.

Is spending on the business?

Yeah, we're thinking that maybe $13 trillion to $21 trillion by the end of his term.

I love how he's blaming Trump for that, too.

Oh, that $8 trillion he spent was ridiculous.

You've spent that in about an hour.

And all Democrats agreed with that spending.

Yeah, I should point out as well.

Trump, I believe, was making them smaller, wasn't he?

At one point, wasn't he like

some of it, yeah.

Yeah.

By the way, George W.

Bush

spoke out yesterday.

He said, Laura and I have been watching the tragic events unfolding in Afghanistan with deep sadness.

Our hearts are heavy for both the Afghan people who have suffered so much and for the Americans and

NATO allies who have also sacrificed so much.

The Afghans now are at the greatest risk,

as are the same ones who have been on the forefront of progress inside their nation.

President Biden has promised to evacuate these Afghans along with American citizens and our allies.

The United States government has legal authority to cut the red tape for refugees during urgent humanitarian crisis.

And this is what I like.

You know, we could have done that slowly and methodically.

But now,

let's just cut the red tape and no need to really go slowly on who comes here in America and who doesn't.

You know, I'm sure all those who are applying only have the best of intentions and really belong here, which is.

Yeah, you won't get anybody from the Taliban or Al-Qaeda.

No.

Not a single person.

I mean, there's not going to be anybody.

I mean, I just hope we can get more Elon Omars.

You know,

which we brought into this country.

And she has just

here.

Hey, by the way, did you hear about the DNA test?

I did see this story, yes.

Yeah, so there was a DNA test.

I didn't hear about the DNA test.

Oh, you didn't?

No.

Yeah.

Endeavor DNA Laboratories

did a test.

They took, I think, a straw from one of them.

And a cigarette.

And a cigarette butt from the other.

Okay.

And Elon O'Mar and her

brother slash husband.

I mean, her husband.

Her husband.

Her husband-brother.

Yeah.

Her brother-husband.

A brother.

A brother.

A brother-husband.

Now, here's the thing.

Did they find out it is her brother?

Well, only 99.999998%

chance.

Oh.

So you're saying there's a chance?

I'm saying that there's a chance that they're not.

But hopefully we can get that kind of screening done.

It's a bit of a weird story.

They claim to have legitimately like she's smoking and they just took the cigarette butt and then tested the DNA over a multiple-year investigation.

It's a very strange story, but that is what

reported that?

Was it the Daily Mail?

I can't remember who reported it.

Yeah, the Daily Mail.

Yeah, so I don't know.

Wow.

I haven't heard anyone else reporting it yet, but it is a very odd story.

Well, odd but interesting.

But the whole saga

is very odd.

The whole saga is odd, even without the DNA evidence.

Yeah, let's not talk about it because there's nothing to see there.

Let's just get as many people from Afghanistan onto flights here in America.

Look,

it's a a tough line because

no freaking help

to get out of there.

It wouldn't have been a tough line.

It wouldn't have been a tough line.

Had you done it differently?

Yeah, you say, we're going to pull out everybody who is concerned about dying.

Come to the embassy right now and we'll get all this paperwork done.

You should have done that first.

And they've been doing that.

They've just blown the process the entire time, which is not a surprise.

They've had plenty of time.

I i mean as we've as everyone has noted here donald trump uh negotiated this deal and my mike pompeo negotiated this deal and the the exit was supposed to be may 1st so we actually had more time than was actually outlined in the deal and still it went this way which is incredible you had you had multiple extra months to prepare for this and still screwed it up like this

Massively,

massively pathetic.

Well, you know, the thing that I really like is the fact that now the entire world,

every single one of our allies

now saying...

They know they can trust us.

Good God.

Yeah, they know that.

They're coming out now

and saying, we don't know if we can trust that America will ever have our back.

Well, yeah.

That's England and Denmark and Germany and France.

Our allies are saying.

Well, some of those countries punch above their weight anyway.

Well, they do.

They don't need us.

They do.

They do.

They don't need us.

Yeah.

What would you say?

If I'm Taiwan, I am

terrified.

Yeah, don't worry.

Terrified.

China just said when we march into Taiwan, don't expect the Americans to come.

The Americans won't help.

And they're right.

Exactly right.

They're right.

What do you say about that?

Well, yeah.

Okay.

You're right.

Clearly.

I mean, any move, China obviously is aware of this.

I'm not breaking news to them, but any move they'd want to make right now, they could just get over.

Well, they already did with Hong Kong.

Yeah, they did it with Hong Kong.

We didn't do anything.

Yeah,

they could do it with Taiwan.

They could do it wherever they wanted.

Did you guys know that?

And they know it.

And they won the Olympics.

Did you guys see that?

I saw that.

I see.

They tried to win the Olympics by adding Taiwan.

Yeah, they just added all the Hong Kong.

They were in Hong Kong.

And they still didn't beat us with Taiwan and Hong Kong?

They tried.

And not in Taiwan.

It was very close.

It was very, very close.

It was very close.

We added Canada because they're just like us anyway.

You You can't tell

Canadians apart.

And China.

And China.

We also added China.

And we'd still be at what, not even half their population?

Yeah.

Isn't that amazing?

Think of that.

They're five times our population.

America isn't exceptional.

America isn't exceptional.

They have five times the population.

And don't forget the sport camps where they take children from their families when they're two.

Correct.

And they take the children that are destined for greatness and they never see their families again and they're taken to these camps and they're trained their whole life to beat us.

This is what you're going to do.

And they can't find a way to beat us.

It's pretty amazing.

Gee, I know.

The system doesn't work, does it?

That old freedom thing, just there's, I don't know, it's kind of messy.

Yeah,

we're exceptional.

You know, a lot like Great Britain is exceptional.

Japan is exceptional.

Russia is exceptional.

Every Bobwell is exceptional.

There's nothing exceptional about us because everyone thinks they're exceptional.

Hey, can I ask you a question?

Should anyone be talking about the 25th Amendment?

Should anyone be talking about that?

You mean should everyone mean for Donald Trump?

Yes.

Yeah.

When he gets back in in August, we need to remove him immediately with the 25th Amendment.

We only have 13, 14 days left, so we better get that done

pretty soon.

I mean, I find this incredible that no one

is talking about that.

Well, I don't, you know, honestly, watching him yesterday.

Yesterday, he looked solid.

He looked solid.

And honestly, because he hasn't worked in two weeks.

Maybe.

But I would say he seemed completely

confident in his huge mistake.

Like I,

he absolutely seemed to, I did this intentionally.

Yeah.

Sort of laid it out.

And I stand behind it.

Yeah.

I think he,

I don't, I, you know, because on Sunday, I felt the same way.

Where is this guy?

Do we have a president or not?

But he was there.

He was just making this decision intentionally, and it went the way that he was talking about it.

No, not on the weekend.

Not on the weekend.

He wasn't.

He wasn't.

He was actually calling the Fort Worth School District to

congratulate them on their

very brave stand on masks to stand against the governor of Texas.

He was making calls

to support the teachers union while people were falling out of the sky and being slaughtered in the streets of Afghanistan.

I mean, just in case you needed it to be worse.

There it is.

There's your president.

I'll say this coming into this.

None of us believed.

Joe Biden was going to be a good president.

But this is going to be

tactically worse than I thought it would be.

This is, you know what?

This is the exact opposite of

Donald Trump.

I expected Donald Trump to be somewhat of a disaster.

Back in 2016.

In 2016.

He gets in office and he was a disaster on, you know, relationships and everything else, but it all kind of turned out the right way.

You know, I think that they're all treasonous in the press.

And you're like, oh, dear God, why would you say that?

And then, like, two years later, and you're like, you know what?

I think he's right.

You think he's right.

Look at apples to apples here, basically.

He came in with one of the biggest, people forget this, one of the biggest things in the entire campaign was ISIS in 2016.

Wiped him out.

And he wiped him out.

A very similar situation here where you have an insurgent group starting here.

And we're just like giving them the country.

We're just like, ah, you guys take it.

You'll probably do better than we could anyway.

That's basically his.

I mean, think about how bad this has been.

This has been, we all assumed.

This is almost, it's very similar to the Taliban.

Like, we all kind of assumed that maybe the Taliban would get back in control eventually.

but it happened so fast.

It was like breathtaking.

That's the Biden administration.

Like, I didn't assume he was going to be a good president, but this is breathtaking how bad he has been, how quickly

he's gotten to this level of complete failure.

I mean, this has been, it's remarkable.

He did this at least.

Why would you expect less in Afghanistan when this is exactly how breathtaking the border was?

Yeah, exactly.

I mean,

it wasn't a big buildup.

It was just like, you know what?

Come on in.

And everybody came in.

They had a chart they've been running for years on the border that the government releases.

And you've seen this.

This is amazing.

Have you seen this?

I don't know.

You've probably seen this chart a million times where they show like how many migrants are coming in and like the lines kind of follow each other pretty much every year and there's a spike every once in a while.

And then you've seen the chart where they goes up and it goes way above

all the previous years.

Well, the peak of that chart was 200,000.

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So now they're now north of the top of the actual chart.

That's how bad he's been.

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It is.

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That's right.

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Coming up, Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin is going to join us.

He's currently the Executive Vice President of Family Research Council, which, of course, we all know is a terrorist organization, according to Southern Poverty Law Center.

But he also was one of the founding members of Delta Force

and has been in charge of our special forces

and a remarkable man.

And I want to get his view on Afghanistan, what this means to us all around the world,

and especially China, with what China is is saying.

It is,

they are mocking us right now.

They are mocking us.

The U.S.

lost.

It was a no-brainer.

That was from their Communist Party newspaper, China Daily.

The U.S.

lost.

It was a no-brainer.

From what happened in Afghanistan, those in Taiwan should perceive that once a war breaks out in the Straits, the island's defense will collapse in hours and U.S.

military won't come to help.

That's from the other Chinese Communist Party mouthpiece, Global Times.

As a result, the ruling party

of Taiwan will quickly surrender.

I mean,

the age of a superpower is now behind us.

Thank you, Joe Biden.

Thank you, Joe Biden.

And the world will become a much,

much

more dangerous place to be.

By the way, George Soros just popped up on the scene again, as he usually does.

He's saying, gosh, I shouldn't have made all these deals with China.

I think they are the greatest threat to America, and I see a war with China coming.

Oh, really?

Do you, George?

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But it was a diverse group of people that pulled this debacle off.

And I think in today's world, that's a win.

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He is now the Executive Vice President of the Family Research Council, who, of course, we know,

thanks to the Southern Poverty Law Center, is a terrorist organization.

Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin.

Hi, Jerry.

How are you, sir?

I'm well, Glenn.

It's good to be with you.

Good to talk to you again.

Let's just start with your opening thoughts on Afghanistan and how this has gone.

Tragic.

It's reminiscent of Saigon 1975.

I am.

May I say, I don't mean to interrupt, General, but

Saigon, everybody's comparing it to that, but no one was hanging on to the helicopters and then falling to their deaths in Saigon when we left.

Well, clearly, you are correct.

In fact,

the people in Saigon had close to two months to prepare for what ultimately unfolded there on, I think, about the 15th of April.

So you're right.

I say it is reminiscent of Saigon.

We haven't seen that kind of thing.

It marks a number of things.

First of all, it marks

the end of this war that America has lost.

And that is a hard thing for me to say, but we have lost here.

And we need to accept that and understand that.

And we need to understand that there's plenty of...

blame and criticism to go around going all the way back to the Bush administration here because we we really fouled this thing up when we took our eye off the ball.

After we'd completed our objectives there, with the exception of capturing or killing bin Laden, we then turned everything over to NATO and NATO will not fight.

That's just a simple thing.

I mean, all you have to do is

talk to people that have been in different situations, and I'm one of those people where NATO has been on the ground, NATO's been responsible, and the NATO countries do not fight.

They come with national caveats that prevent them from fighting.

So what we did is we lost our focus, turned to Iraq, and left it in the hands of NATO.

We should have pulled out probably in January of 2002 because we had achieved our objectives.

And then we got into nation building, and when we got into nation building and we turned it over to NATO, we just took our eye off the ball.

And now we see the results of that.

And I am very saddened by it.

This is worse than what happened in Saigon.

You're right.

But it is reminiscent for a generation that was not here during that period.

When,

I mean, we are

on the edge of losing our superpower status, are we not?

I mean, Russia and China,

China's mocking us right now with Taiwan.

And I think they're right.

I think they're right.

Well, I think they're right, too.

And that may be the biggest biggest loss in this whole thing.

It may not be just the loss of the war.

It may be the loss of our credibility as an ally.

Listen, don't think for one minute that China and Russia are not licking their lips.

And at the same time, Taiwan and Ukraine are very, very worried because we have demonstrated just how reliable we are not.

I have never in my lifetime seen our allies

come out as they have.

I mean, some of our allies didn't like Donald Trump, and they would make remarks here and there, but not like this.

Our allies now, all over the NATO nations, they're all saying the same thing.

What does this mean?

We can't trust that America is going to have our back anymore.

I mean, we betrayed.

all of those people that went in with us.

Did we not?

We did indeed.

And remember, we had a NATO coalition there,

which I was talking about earlier when we just finally turned everything over to them and we went to Iraq.

We had a NATO coalition there

and by NATO charter, an attack on one is an attack on all, and those nations were

obliged to pony up troops to go into Afghanistan.

and fight with us there in Afghanistan.

And again, I'll come back and tell you that my experience with them in the Balkans and in other places is the NATO countries come with caveats from their own government that tells them exactly what their rules of engagement are, and they're never consistent with the rules of engagement that are established to be able to win in the environment.

And that's what we turned it over to people who would not fight.

And

that was a huge mistake, but there's plenty of blame to go around to include going all the way back to the Bush administration

they did lose their focus and they pulled everything out and went to Iraq

just as we were

actually achieving our objectives there in Afghanistan with the exception of bin Laden.

We could have pulled out of there in January and have left behind the right small forces to include intelligence capabilities, a counter-terror operation, some trainers, advisors, and then finally

some people to secure the embassy there.

We could have left them all behind in a very small element

and sustained that for an indefinite period of time, but more in an advisory and counterterror role than anything else.

And we didn't.

We stayed there in major forces until finally a bad decision was made by the Obama administration to tell them what we were going to do and then turn around and pull out precipitously before

even the Iraqis were prepared.

Can you help me out on why we would build a billion-dollar embassy and a gigantic Air Force base with all kinds of strategic

capabilities and advantages and then just walk away with it, including some drones and some Blackhawks and everything else?

Why would we do that?

Yeah,

I will tell you that my assessment is, and this I hope this doesn't sound like sour grapes, but I think we got in the Obama administration that we got some we got some really

bad leadership into our military at all levels and all services.

We got some bad leadership there.

And then we also got some some very bad leadership over in the State Department.

And I think that the combination of

what started under the Bush administration, there were some bad ones in the Bush administration.

But that just increased during the Obama administration.

And

actually, Trump was about to clean it up

when he left.

But don't forget, Trump did

actually say that he was going to be out of there by May.

The difference is that Donald Trump was flexible enough to see what was going on, to listen to his advisors, those that he knew that he could trust in terms of how to deal with what was going on.

And I think

he would have taken a step back and have

probably

developed a different timeline for this.

And he would have responded when he saw the Taliban was going to

do what they were doing.

I think he would have gone in there with some pretty heavy firepower and

fought that back.

Oh, yeah.

Let them do that.

Yeah, there's no way Donald Trump would not have been humiliated and let the United States be humiliated.

If that thing was coming undone, you know and I know he would have unleashed hell on the Taliban.

He may not have changed the dates of leaving or anything else, but he certainly wouldn't be making phone calls to the school district in Fort Worth on Saturday, congratulating them on their tough stand on masks.

That wouldn't have happened.

He would have been engaged.

Yeah, well, what's happened to this country since Donald Trump left?

This whole idea of putting America first

has become something that we are supposed to be ashamed of.

But Donald Trump made us proud to be Americans.

And he did exactly what he believed in, and he did what he said he was going to do.

I disagreed with him one time, and I said so publicly in the media, and that was when he pulled the U.S.

forces out of northeast Syria when when the Turks announced that they were going to invade that area.

And I went to see his National Security Advisor and his chief of staff.

And I sat down and talked to him and said, look, I understand this whole idea of having to write letters home to American families because I've done it.

And it's very painful.

The difference between that and Donald Trump's responsibility, I was there when they died.

I was with them when they died, and that makes it even more difficult.

But don't, don't do this.

Don't compromise.

Don't leave the Kurds

up there

unguarded.

Don't leave them there with no allies at all.

And that was the one thing that I disagreed with him on.

But look,

you talk about allies.

I don't care what people think about NATO and Donald Trump.

They respected Donald Trump.

He is the only guy that would stand up there before them and say, pay your side, pay your bill, pay up, pay your portion of what it costs to run NATO.

And that was supposed to be the end of our relationship with NATO.

But what did they do?

They paid up.

They paid up.

And I think that they actually respected Donald Trump regardless of what they may have said about him.

I think that there were NATO nations that wished that their leader was like that.

And look, this guy has built

relationships in the world today that I think are

everything that he had built is probably destroyed now just with this whole thing that's going on in Afghanistan.

I've never seen, I mean, you're seeing big officials from England and all over the world

just saying this was a nightmare and we can't trust anymore.

Can you hang on just a second?

Let me take a one-minute break.

And the Pentagon can't say if it plans to keep U.S.

weapons out of the hands of the Taliban.

What have we given them and what should we be doing?

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So we have left all kinds of people behind.

We have left all kinds of military equipment behind that they now have.

It is obscene.

And

Biden, while he said yesterday, buck stops here, he blamed it on everybody, including the Afghan people who he said will not fight, but they have lost 69,000 people in this fight.

That's more than we lost in Vietnam, and they are not the size of America during the Vietnam years by any stretch of the imagination.

Is it that they wouldn't fight?

Is it that we wouldn't provide air cover?

What happened?

Yeah, listen,

we need to understand that what makes

America's soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines fight the way they do, and they've done a good job, is that

they take an allegiance to a Constitution that means something to them, to a constitution that goes back

to the very beginnings of this nation, and

that

alone

helps to bring about a camaraderie that puts them in a situation where they're fighting for a nation.

They're fighting for their families.

They're fighting for the future of their children and their grandchildren.

You go back and look at the Taliban, or not Taliban, but the Afghans, they are a tribal society.

Their allegiance is to the local tribal chief.

And when you try to make a country out of them, and by the way, Glenn, they started out writing a constitution for the Afghans.

They started it with

the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.

Well, that ought to tell you something right there, that we don't know what we're doing.

And that for them, what that's saying is, therefore, Sharia will be the law of the land.

And

we are to blame for that kind of nonsense.

But they don't fight because the Taliban is actually

organized and motivated by an ideology, a theology that they believe in very much as to what their responsibilities are under the banner of Islam.

And they're motivated by that.

But the

you know, the army that we trained and left behind there, the Afghan National Forces,

they're still tribal.

They're still, their allegiance is still to the tribe.

And they're not fighting for

the country.

It doesn't exist.

Right.

So

whose failure is this?

Is it the intelligence?

Is it the Pentagon?

Or

did they tell the president everything

he needed to know?

I mean, he's making it sound like, no, that's not what they said.

They didn't say that this would fall apart.

Listen, Glenn, I know

Scotty Miller

very, very well.

Scotty was one of my Delta Force guys.

And I know that Scotty Miller gave him advice not to do what he was doing.

And others, others gave him the same advice.

The problem is he's got these

Harvard and Yale and

all these graduates from some of these finest Ivy League universities that are

part of his cabinet, part of his advisory team, part of his national security element there.

And

they have not a clue what Afghanistan or any other country like that is, how it's composed, of the tribal nature and structure.

They have no idea and they are giving him bad advice at the same time that some of his generals are trying to tell him, wait a minute, slow down, back up, let's do this right.

And he has ignored that.

He's blown that off because His advisors, like his Secretary of Defense and his chairman of the Joint Chiefs, have been sycophants as far as I am concerned, and they have nodded and said, yes, this will work, Mr.

President.

And then, you know, you look at the doggone chairman of the Joint Chiefs when he was testifying before the Armed Services Committee, and he's talking about white rage, and he's talking about what makes people go to the...

Capitol and breach the capital.

That has nothing to do with the military.

Nothing.

In 36 and a half years, I never saw white rage.

By statute, General Milley is supposed to to be the advisor to the president on all things military.

Breaching that capital had nothing to do with the military, so why are you spending your time instead of thinking about the readiness of our military?

And white rage, as far as I'm concerned, it is a non-issue for the military.

So

he needs some new leadership in the Pentagon.

Well, they're not coming.

They all felt that they did a great job.

Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin, thank you so much, sir, for all of your service and best of luck at the Family Research Council.

Lieutenant General Jerry Boykin.

Find him at frc.org.

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There is a guy who's been on the program before.

He is somebody who's just, I mean,

a giant mentally.

First of all, he won in 93, won the bodybuilding championship

as a teenager.

And you're like, okay, he's a muzzle.

Then he went on to receive his BA and his MA in history.

Then

dual minors in philosophy and literature.

He also studied closely with Victor Davis Hansen,

graduate courses at Georgetown University.

He

also studied medieval Islam and Semitic languages at Catholic University of America, serves as the Arabic language and regional specialist at the Near East section of the Library of Congress, where he informs a lot of people

that are in the know and government officials.

He also often functions as a journalist, has been a media fellow at the Hoover Institution,

news analyst for CBN News and others.

He produces a monthly report, Muslim Persecution of Christians, which is why I wanted to bring him on now.

He is chronicling day to day the abuses and slaughters of Christians throughout the Islamic world, and no one is really paying attention to what is going on.

I wanted to bring him on.

It's Raymond Ibrahim.

He is the author of Sword and Scimitar and distinguished senior fellow at Gatestone Institute.

Raymond, welcome.

Hi, Glenn.

Very good to be with you again.

Yeah, good to talk to you again.

I am concerned with what's going on in

Afghanistan.

You know, I don't know if you're aware, but I started the Nazarene Fund a few years ago with ISIS, and we have been going in and trying to free the women and children that have been made slaves, and anyone that is persecuted because they're a minority, a religious minority.

We've been trying to get them out.

And now I think we've got a whole new country to look at.

Can you you tell me what's going on?

Yeah, absolutely.

Afghanistan, even before what happened recently,

is widely considered the absolute worst Muslim nation in the world insofar as its treatment of minorities, specifically Christian minorities.

So if you look at Open Doors, International Human Rights Organization, they publish their world watch list annually of the top 50 worst nations.

Habitually, of course, it's dominated by Muslim nations for obvious reasons, but the

top 10 nations are the absolute worst, and two or three of them are not Islamic.

And usually the first worst nation in the world is North Korea.

But then the second worst nation and the first Muslim nation is Afghanistan.

And so you can imagine with what's happening right now, it's going to get significantly worse for any sort of believer in that area.

In fact, here's a little quote from the World Watch list about Afghanistan.

It says, quote, it is impossible to live openly as a Christian in Afghanistan.

Leaving Islam is considered shameful.

Christian converts face dire consequences if their new faith is discovered.

Either they have to flee the country or they will be killed.

And that's so, and now with this new resurgent, emboldened Islamist mentality, you can be sure that it's going to get significantly worse for any Christian living in that nation or even nearby.

Raymond, can you help us out on the one question that is kind of a nagging question and I don't understand it at all?

And that is,

why did the Afghani people not put up any kind of fight?

What happened there?

Well,

I would say that

there's what we are told, and this actually, what I'm saying right now actually comports very well with so many other things that we talk about in the West and America and so forth.

But there's what the media tells us, there's what the analysts and the experts tell us, and then there's the reality.

And the people on the ground in Afghanistan and in these countries, they don't really care for the Western,

for

the things that the West cherishes.

Okay, the things that we say are

the cornerstone of Western culture, let's say gender equality, for one example, or eliminating the patriarchy.

These are things that have existed, not just in Afghanistan, and not just because of Islam.

I would say Islam actually reinforces so many of these primordial tendencies of, let's say, patriarchalism and so forth, not creates it.

It actually just reinforces it.

So they go way back, these ideas, in places like Afghanistan.

And when you just go there and, as the U.S.

government actually did, especially increasingly in more recent years, try to import, you know,

I don't know to what degree, but it sounds like to a large degree they were trying to import woke culture as well.

None of that's going to fly with any Afghani at all because they're just not part of that culture.

And they might have, you know, to an extent, in as much as America was in there and they were trying to work with it, they played along.

But once it became imminent that the U.S.

is leaving and so forth, all, you know, the charade just came off, the mask came off, and it was right back to the way it was.

And unfortunately, that's the idea, you know, this whole nation building and trying to import democracy to cultures that simply, uh you know have it doesn't resonate with at all for a myriad myriad reasons um that's why it fails and after two decades and all the money and blood and treasure that's been spent that's why we are where we are

so um because i heard tucker carlson last night talk about how you know we were teaching all these woke principles um

and uh you know these are principles that don't sit well with half the population over here has this made them

turn to an Islamist even harder?

Or

is it just like, I don't care, just not these guys anymore?

I would argue the former.

Historically, wherever the West in any way, shape, or form retreats or is perceived to be weak, it has actually immensely exacerbated the idea of radical Islam.

So if you go back to, let's say, the colonial era in the 19th century, mid-19th century, and early 20th century um

where the where today we would describe america or not america's actions mostly europe's european action in the middle east and the islamic world as very negative it was toxic masculinity it was not multicultural it was you know our way or the highway that's how europeans more or less came about that actually believe it or not and you know putting aside all judgments worked and muslims didn't feel resentful they didn't they actually tried to catch up and they saw it as the winning way and we have to be part of that culture and that's why you saw the hijab go away um it's ironic today you know 21st century you see the hijab and the burqas and all and that uh but when you go back to the 1800s and you look at pictures of women in the middle east and egypt afghanistan and syria and these countries they actually look like western women so they were actually trying to emulate but inasmuch as the west starts to retreat start to say our ways are bad our history is awful your way is love is wonderful and that actually isn't seen as, oh, you're being polite.

Let me try to reciprocate.

It's actually seen as an admission of weakness, and it emboldens and it makes Muslims go back to their own way.

And that's why you see today in the 21st century, a large segment of the Muslim population trying to emulate the 7th century Muslims, the purity hotists of Muhammad's time.

And so, yeah, there's definitely a symbiotic relationship with Western weakness and Islamic aggression.

And I think with what happened in Afghanistan, you're going to see that again.

So I read the story this morning about a woman who is a mayor of a small town, and the Taliban has come in and she said, I'm just waiting for them to come and take me and kill me.

And she said, there's no place for me to go.

And so I'm just waiting.

The Taliban has said, oh, no, no, no.

No, we're not like that anymore.

Do you, does any sane person believe that to be true?

No, but the problem is we're lacking insanity to a large extent, especially when it comes to our leaders and our betters.

For whatever reason, they just don't want to think according to sane principles.

And it's even worse than that.

Reports came out around August 11th, a week ago, of the Taliban going door to door and forcibly taking girls as young as 12 to be their sex slaves, to be their wives.

And again, so you see, it's all back, it's just amazing, you know, 20 years of that and this this most powerful nation and all the money that's spent and all the blood and all that.

And then we are not just back to where we were, I would argue, to an even worse spot.

And it all has to do with a very myopic Western worldview, which is, okay, look, we killed the bad guys.

We got rid of the bad guys, let's say Osama bin Laden and remember Mullah Omar.

And now we've, you know, we've set up a government.

And obviously they're all going to want to be like us because this is the natural culmination.

And see, I think this is what they don't understand.

In order to reach a good sort of Western democracy and the principles that we have, you have to have a bedrock for that.

You can't just import it on a surface of Islam or tribalism.

And our bedrock would be, I would argue, something like Judeo-Christian principles.

And that's why you can build what we essentially built.

But because they don't see that, and they actually, and when you say that, oh my God, that's the worst thing.

Judeo-Christian principles.

Oh, that's you're being, you know, whatever, triumphalist, and so forth.

And so without that, you see what's happening.

They bring the package without the groundwork being laid, and the end result is what we see and what we always keep seeing.

We're talking to Raymond Ibrahim, who is an expert on the Middle East.

What is coming our way,

do you think, because of this collapse?

Oh, I would argue, well, it's funny because I remember almost 20 years ago, you know, Ayman Zawafri, who was the second at the time of al-Qaeda, and he's currently the head of al-Qaeda since Osama bin Laden died.

But I remember when Osama bin Laden, about three years after the invasion of Afghanistan, some reporters

asked him, Ayman Zawahiri,

what happened?

Where's Osama bin Laden?

Where's Mullah Omar?

We don't hear about him.

And what he said is, it was very telling, and I'll give you the quote.

He said to them, jihad in the path of Allah is greater than any individual or organization.

It's a struggle between truth and falsehood until Allah Almighty inherits the earth.

Then he said, Mullah Omar and Sheikh Hosama bin Laden are merely

two soldiers of Islam in the journey of jihad, but the struggle continues for all time.

And so you see there's that patience where it looked like they lost, they stepped back.

Now, well, look, they're winning, even though those two guys are not there, Mullah Omar and Sheikh Osama bin Laden.

And Ayman Zawahiri will come and go.

Muhammad himself, the prophet, came and died, but the jihad goes on.

So, and they're already saying this.

Just recently, a leader said, it's our belief that one day the Mujahideen will have victory and Islamic law will come, not just Afghanistan.

He just said this a couple days ago, but all over the world.

We are not in a hurry.

We believe it will come day.

Jihad will not end until the last day.

So, you see, it's this impatience mentality that we're dealing with while we usually just sit and look at these little myopic sort of

milestones that in the end just don't amount to much.

Raymond,

any suggestion on where we should go from here?

And I mean as a people, not as a government.

You know, this audience is very involved in

rescuing people in the Middle East and all over the world,

especially women and children that are found in these situations.

And we want to help all persecuted minorities

get to safety.

Any suggestion on what we should be looking towards or how we can help?

Well, the first thing, of course, is to have to be armed with adequate knowledge.

And I know you are, and I'm assuming most of your audience is, but to understand that, you know, we're talking about something like Christian persecution or religious persecution of minorities in general.

When you come to understand that it is overwhelmingly the lion's share of that phenomenon is being

dealt out at the hands of Muslims.

And the fact that it happens in sub-Saharan Muslim Africans, Nigeria, where you have a genocide of Christians, it happens, of course, in East Asia, Pakistan, even go in Malaysia, Indonesia, and of course, the heart of the Muslim world, all throughout North Africa, Middle East, Turkey, Iran.

When you understand that, I think you start to realize there's an ideology behind this, and it's important to get...

you know, our heads wrapped around that ideology and understand it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

It's been around 14 centuries.

You don't have to say every Muslim believes this or every Muslim is out to do this to understand that you do have this core in there doing that, and it needs to be eventually excised in order to put an end to what's happening.

People need to understand the difference between a Muslim and

an Islamicist.

That is the real problem, and we refuse to name it.

Raymond Ibrahim, thank you so much.

We'll talk again, my friend.

Thank you.

Absolutely.

Thanks, Len.

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Hello, America.

We want to talk about wokeness.

And I want to take you to a couple places this hour.

We were just talking to a Middle East expert that was talking about how our woke culture,

if it really

didn't sell well over in Afghanistan,

you're kidding me.

It barely sells over here in America.

But when it does, giant corporations have taken this and they are...

They are just playing people like crazy.

When people figure out how bad this

woke culture is and how it's just a product.

I think they're going to be a little upset for being used, but maybe that's just me.

There's a new book that is coming out today on Woke Inc.

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He is

quite an amazing man that

was at 20 years old, was a hedge fund partner.

He founded multi-million dollar enterprises.

He led a biotech company as the CEO.

He studied to be a scientist at Harvard, a lawyer at Yale.

Pretty much the guy you're like, all right, sit down, have a nap.

You're making me look bad.

He is with us now.

Vivek, how are you, sir?

Good to talk to you.

Glad to be here.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Tell me, the book that you're doing is you're blowing the lid off of

this woke scam.

And I don't know if you tie it into the great reset

and

what Black Rock is, or

what BlackRock is doing, but

it's quite an amazing scam.

It is.

It is the defining scam of our century.

And I wasn't born into Elite America, Glenn, but I have lived in Elite America for the last 15 years.

And I'm revealing the scam of our time, which is that these companies in corporate America pretend like they care about something other than profit and power precisely to gain more of each.

And the problem is that that's not just an act of hypocrisy.

It is wreaking havoc on our democracy because it demands that a small group of investors and CEOs determine what's good for the rest of society rather than our democracy at large.

And that is fostering a new crisis of institutional mistrust in our country.

It's dividing our country to a breaking point as they're pushing a woke agenda that says your identity is based on your race and your gender and your sexual orientation.

And that might make us better consumers to buy their stuff.

but it leaves us worse off as citizens in the end.

And that's what I'm exposing in the new book.

And hopefully also charting a better way forward for us.

So tell me why companies like Nike, this is the number one question people have.

Why would they do this?

Why would they hold these?

Why would Coca-Cola say be less white in their meetings?

Why would they do that?

Coca-Cola would rather talk about teaching their employees to be less white.

or issue statements about new voting law in Georgia that make it sound more like a super PAC than a soft drink manufacturer for that matter, than it would talk about its own product's impact impact on a nationwide epidemic of diabetes and obesity, including, by the way, Glenn, in the very black community that they profess to care so much about.

That is how this new game is played, where big business effectively blows woke smoke to cover up their actual business practices that they would rather not talk about.

Wall Street mastered the game in the post-2008 era, Glenn, when you might remember, big business was a bad guy in the eyes of the old left.

But what the new left found is there was this new,

what big business found is there was this new woke left that said, actually, actually the real problem wasn't economic injustice.

It was racial injustice and misogyny and bigotry.

And that actually presented the opportunity of a generation for big business and for Wall Street in this country to say that if they could use their market power to push these woke values, if they could lend their legitimacy to this new woke movement, then they could actually go from being the bad guys to becoming the good guys.

And so what I talk about in the book is the story of how you know, a bunch of big banks got in bed with a bunch of woke millennials.

Together, they birthed woke capitalism, and they actually put Occupy Wall Street up for adoption.

Silicon Valley then copies the act, effectively censoring content that the new left doesn't want to see online, but in return, expecting the new Democratic Party to look the other way when it comes to leaving their monopoly power intact.

And it has worked so masterfully for Wall Street and for Silicon Valley that Nike and Coca-Cola and the rest of corporate America, as we know it, are following suit.

And I think that that is the real threat to individual liberty and prosperity today, Glenn.

I agree.

It isn't just big government.

It is this new hybrid of big government and big business that can do what neither one can do on its own.

And that, to me, is the defining challenge of our time.

I think this is, you know,

I've heard big capitalists say for 25 years, you know, China's the new model.

And I've always responded with,

I don't want that to be the new model.

Thank you.

But that's really what stakeholder capitalism is.

We, as a shareholder in shareholder capitalism, I can go to the meetings, I can vote, et et cetera, et cetera.

But stakeholder capitalism, my only way in for a voice on that is who I elect, and we know how well Washington is working for us now.

Exactly.

And some people, you know, amongst Milton Friedman's heights, they may not like stakeholder capitalism because they think that politics infecting business makes business less efficient.

And I share those concerns to some degree.

I've been a CEO.

But I actually am more concerned about the opposite, Glenn, is the way in which actually it allows big business to erode our democracy.

It makes government

more efficient because they can't do those things.

Yeah, and it also imperils democracy because you convert this one person, one vote system that we have into a one-dollar, one-vote system where a bunch of CEOs spouting off from Davos get to decide what's best for the rest of us.

And stakeholder capitalism sounds like a very friendly title.

In reality, what it is, is a vector to advance values that empower the people who are at the top of that chain, but at the expense of democracy itself.

And here's what the progressives don't realize, Glenn, is that once corporations become a vehicle to advance progressive agendas, which they are today, they become a vehicle to advance any agenda.

And you put your finger on it before, they are advancing the agenda of the Communist Party of China.

Because when companies like Nike and Disney do not say a peep about true human rights atrocities in China, while they continue to criticize the United States relentlessly.

That creates this false moral equivalence on the global stage between the United States and with China.

When Twitter bans the 45th president of the United States, but continues to allow the Taliban to tweet, it creates a false moral equivalence between the United States and the Taliban.

And that attacks our greatest geopolitical asset of all, which is not our nuclear arsenal.

It is our moral standing on the global stage.

And these companies have turned into Trojan horses that are undermining those American interests from within, not just in our culture and in our democracy, but now in geopolitics.

I am so glad that you have published this book.

I am so glad that you've published this.

I've been ringing this bell for a while and people say, oh, that's crazy.

No, it's not.

It makes total sense that they would do this.

They are gaining money and power and not,

forget about America.

It's one market to them.

They're going for the globe.

Exactly.

And you think this is also a foreign policy disaster dating back 30 years in the United States where we thought we could use our money to get countries like China to be more like us, to spread democracy.

Correct.

And instead, countries like China have turned that on its head by using their money to get us to be more like them.

And I am sorry to say it is working that exporting Big Macs and Happy Meals to other countries didn't spread democracy.

Instead, China has used Nike sneakers and Disney movies as Trojan horses, sending them back with their own values.

And that is the reality of the painful lesson that we've learned over the last 30 years.

One of the things I do in the book, though, is I lay out what I think is a better way forward, what we ultimately need to do to turn this tide.

It will not be easy, but I think it is the defining challenge for not only the future of the conservative movement, but the future of the American movement as we know it.

So, Levik, how do we?

I mean, when you look, you mentioned the banking system.

You know, you look at the

Paris Accords.

That wasn't about global warming.

That was about the banking system.

That's all that was.

And so

when you have the banking system and this new ESG

rollout,

you have complete control and shutting anyone down that stands against it.

How are you proposing?

How do we get out of that?

So what's happening right now, Glenn, is crony capitalism 2.0.

And it's the mirror image of crony capitalism 1.0.

In crony capitalism 1.0 what happens is companies co-opt the government to do their own bidding effectively through an indirect bribe what we see in version 2.0 is the reverse

the government is actually co-opting companies to be able to do through the back door indirectly what the government cannot directly accomplish through the front door under our constitution so let's talk about climate change or climate addressing climate change is an issue that you raised.

Right now, they could not get the Green New Deal through Congress.

So what they're instead doing is John Kerry, the climate czar of President Biden, is boasting about this.

He's using big banks on Wall Street to stop lending to any products that they feel does not comport with their agenda.

That is using the back door to accomplish what they couldn't do through the front door, which is an affront to the Constitution.

And I will tell you, big banks are not charitable institutions, Glenn.

They do not do those favors for free.

The real question is what they are getting in reverse.

It is a reverse bribe.

Same thing with big tech censorship.

They say that these are private companies operating as private institutions.

Well, guess what?

Maybe if they're operating as private companies, they should be free to do what they want.

But they're not.

They are now doing the bidding of the federal government to take down misinformation and hate use as defined by the party in power.

Jensaki and Joe Biden are boasting about it.

And worst of all, they're actually protected by this cloak of federal immunity called Section 230 that immunizes them from liability in the states for doing exactly that.

And so my view is if it is state action in disguise, then the Constitution still applies.

In the case of big tech, these companies still ought to be bound by the Constitution of the First Amendment, the Constitution, and the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States when they are doing the selective bidding of the government and when they are protected by federal immunity to do it.

That's an example of the kinds of solutions I trace in the book, looking back to the way in which government has actually used its power to empower certain classes of companies to do the bidding of big government and particularly the progressive wing of big government without the accountability that we have in our constitutional system with checks and balances.

We have a government, however, that even without the private side is not following the Constitution.

And it doesn't seem as if anyone really cares about it.

They just think it'll always be this way.

And everyone who has lived in a foreign country, especially a former Soviet bloc,

they all see exactly what is coming.

And

the American people just don't see it.

I want to continue our conversation here in just a second.

The name of the book that is out is Woke Inc.

It comes out today.

It is critical that you understand this is the problem.

This is what we're fighting.

We're not fighting a bunch of Marxists or anything else.

I personally think the Marxists are useful idiots.

Remember, I'm the guy that wrote arguing with socialists.

I learned my lesson after I wrote that book.

Wait a minute.

That's not even the real target.

The real target is government and business colluding.

That's the structure.

And it's a communist model.

And yeah, it sure looks an awful lot like socialism, but it's totalitarianism.

And it is run by the corporations, the elite, all of the people that think they know better than you.

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Vivek Ramaswamy is with us.

He is the author of Woke Inc.,

Why I'm Blowing on How Corporate America is Poisoning Society.

You can't be very popular,

Rive,

in the circles that you have run in.

I've pissed off some quote-unquote powerful people, I will say, in recent days, as the book has come out.

And I'm okay with that, Glenn, because unlike a lot of people, including myself, who years ago may have had to choose between putting food on the dinner table and speaking my mind openly, thankfully I've lived the full arc of the American dream now, and I don't have to really restrain what I have to say for fear of consequence.

I thankfully started a company that ended up being successful.

I have seen this from the inside, and so many people who have seen it from the inside would rather continue playing the game, wear hipster clothes, applaud diversity and inclusion, muse about the racially disparate impact of climate change after flying on a private jet to Davos.

I can tell you, it's not a bad life.

I've seen what that looks like.

But at the end of the day, somebody has to tell the story from the inside.

And I'm not a journalist reporting on my findings.

This is what I have seen from elite academia to big pharma to Wall Street to Silicon Valley.

I have lived in those worlds.

And at the end of the day, I think once the American people see what's going on, yeah, maybe their blood will boil.

But I think that is also the first step to seeing the problem with clear eyes that allows us to chart a better way forward.

So you are,

I mean, you just just said one of the bigger problems is a lot of people would just rather play along.

You know, people, I think, feel powerless.

And when you, they feel powerless over the government.

But when you join the government with big tech and big corporation, what chance do you have?

Absolutely.

It's really hard where you have to ultimately make the choice.

between keeping your job today and speaking your mind.

And I personally think one of the things I talk about in the book is I think that we need legislative solutions that meet that unique challenge to liberty in 2021.

Not just reciting some slogan we memorized in 1980 saying the free market can do no wrong without recognizing that the free market that we idealize doesn't actually exist today.

No, we need to apply new dogmas to address our present challenges.

And so one of those for me is really simple.

I think we should add political belief as a protected class right up there next to race, sex, religion, national origin, and sexual orientation in the civil rights statutes.

And, you know, if you want to have a conversation about whether that's actually one more constraint on a business that we shouldn't want to apply, I think that's reasonable if we get rid of protected classes altogether.

But a lot of the solutions that I propose in the book is, I think you can't have it both ways.

Either we trust the market and the truly free market to address all forms of discrimination evenly, or we have to apply those standards evenly to say that if you can't discriminate against somebody or fire somebody or de-platform somebody just because they're black or gay or Muslim or Christian or Jewish or whatever, you should not be able to fire or deplatform them just because they're an outspoken conservative either.

And that is not an academic issue.

It is happening every day in this country, directly or indirectly.

If it can happen to the 45th president of the United States, it can literally happen to anybody.

And so I think these are the kinds of solutions we need to meet our moment.

Give me, we have two minutes.

Give me a final pitch to somebody who kind of really

doesn't get it yet.

They're like, I don't know if that's as bad as they're making it out to be.

Sounds like a conspiracy theory.

Well, I think it's not a conspiracy in the sense that you can see it in plain sight.

You look at the ways that companies do business here in the United States and criticize the United States while they're doing it.

Ask those same businesses, if they're criticizing slavery in the United States 250 years ago, then why are you not reducing your reliance on slave labor in China today?

And if you think that that isn't the CCP behind the scenes pulling the strings directly, you can actually look at hard facts that prove they are.

Airbnb posts a nice black square on its corporate Instagram account and says it stands in solidarity with Black Lives Matter here in the United States, while it uses that to win your trust, to give them your data, and they're handing that over to the CCP as a condition for entry into the Chinese market.

Details that I detail in my book.

So this is a game in which the American consumers are being played, American citizens are being played.

But Glenn, the right answer isn't to cancel wokeness in return.

It is to dilute it to irrelevance by reviving a shared sense of American identity that runs so deep that it really dilutes wokeism to nothing.

And I think if the last decade was our decade of celebrating our diversity and our differences, then so be it.

Let the next decade still be about celebrating what binds us together as one people.

And I think that that's actually the ultimate solution: a cultural revival of that American identity.

I talk about at length in the book.

I love it.

And hope you read the book.

You bet.

I love you.

Vivek Ramaswamy, the name of the book is Woke Inc.

It just became available today.

It is well worth your time.

Might want to buy a couple of copies and give one to a friend.

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Here's a great place to start.

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Politozoid has

done several videos that are well worth your time to watch.

Let me just play the highlights of this one.

It starts in Disneyland at It's a Woke World.

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, welcome to It's a Woke World.

This video takes you into It's a Small World, except

everything

has changed inside, but it looks exactly like it.

It's a world of privilege in boats that are cramped.

Welcome to Disney's re-education camp.

If your skin is white, it's time you're contrite.

It's a woke world after all.

It's a world of power, a world of fears, and we work long days to make souvenirs.

Although millions have died and the Uyghurs aside, it's a woke world after all.

There is a land where once you lived free as a capitalist pig of the bourgeoisie.

We could eat until we are fat and we would vote Democrat if we just

get past that wall.

The guy who put this together would like to remain anonymous, so we're just going to refer to him

as the creative director of Politozoid.

He is a former Disney artist.

Welcome to the program.

Thank you.

You bet.

How are you?

I'm doing well.

I liked your narration there.

Thank you.

So

you must have a great job, especially since

you don't have to take credit and the bows.

You also don't have to take the hits.

Well, my family's not quite ready for that yet.

I think the day will come.

But considering I live in Los Angeles and I run my own shop, so you know, I have clients that couldn't really handle the fact that I animated that piece that you shared.

But you know, I'm tired of watching my country go down the drain, and it's time to do something.

I've been doing these cartoons for about 10 years,

and you know, at times we've had funding and a team of 12 guys running around, other times it's just me.

It depends on what the opportunity

you know, the opportunity is there.

But

I took about a seven-year hiatus off of doing these cartoons and jumped back in the game with a piece called Schiff Hits the Fan

because I was getting so

been out of shape over the impeachment scam and

kept seeing Adam Schiff coming on, you know, saying all these things that were undoubtedly, you know, false.

And every one of them proved that he was lying.

And so I dressed him up like Wiley Coyote and I put some

Trump hair on the Roadrunner and had him chasing after him.

And about three weeks later, the White House was sharing it.

And

so it was like, well, I guess I'm back.

So since then, I've been putting out as many as I can in between client jobs.

And because these...

These take quite a while to do.

I mean, the piece you just played took about four to five weeks to complete.

So

full time.

Yeah, it's a heavy investment in time to do something like this.

And are you doing it by yourself or are there others involved in it?

Right now, the animation was done by myself.

I had some friends that helped contribute some elements, some of the posters at the end, and

like the pictures of Mal and that sort of thing.

I had some help.

And then I had some friends that brought together the course

because all that music was recreated.

None of that was pulled from any original Disney material.

So the orchestra, everything had to be recreated using synthesizers and

but I can't sing like a child.

So fortunately I had a friend that was able to bring together

a lot of acting students and

of course the end was an adult choir.

So I'm not even sure how many people end up singing it because I wasn't there.

They sent me the files.

But without their help, I couldn't have pulled this off.

I I mean, if that song's not right, I mean, you want to feel like you're in the real attraction.

Yeah.

And I have to tell you, the animation is unbelievable.

I mean, you worked for Disney at one point as an animator, and it is, I mean, this is really, really well done.

Why did you take on Disney?

Well, I wouldn't do what I do without Walt Disney.

I grew up not wanting to be an animator.

I grew up wanting to be Walt Disney.

And

I know his history.

I've actually traveled to Marceline, Missouri twice and stood in front of his old offices in Kansas City.

And of course, done the tour here in LA multiple times of just

tracing his steps because

I can't imagine what our country would be like without.

Amen.

I am so glad to hear you say.

I've been allowed to go into the archives.

I've gone through his daily calendars and his diaries.

He's an amazing man.

And

I don't know if you could say this

about very many people, especially in the 20th century.

Imagine America without Walt Disney.

It would be a radically different place.

And I'm not sure we'd still be free because he put so much Americana into us, buried it deep into us as kids.

Well, yes.

I mean, just imagine what Hollywood would be like without him.

You know, there would have been no counterbalance.

It's what we got now.

You know, I don't know how deliberate or structured the takeover was or if it was just kind of like an opportunity that presented itself to the left, but they took care of it by overtaking Walt's company.

I understand why Walt took the company public because he wanted to execute his ideas, but it was the worst mistake he ever made.

Followed up only by him not really having a good succession plan when he died.

He didn't, I mean, he probably felt like he was a mortal or so, you know, I'm not going to die.

But

that happened much sooner than he anticipated.

And,

you know, I learned what America was through watching those shorts, you know, Pecos Bill and Paul Bunyan and all those sorts of pieces.

It just gave you a sense of pride and a connection to the people that came before us.

And

that connection has been severed.

And I know that Walt would be just, I mean, that's why I put Walt at the end.

I know you didn't get to that part, but I actually put

his congressional testimony where he was talking about the communists in Hollywood.

I turned that in on itself, where he is actually calling the current regime a Disney communist as a floating head in the reanimation lab because the old urban legend that he was

actually cremated.

Well, that's what they want you to believe.

He's actually in the middle of the African,

what is that stupid ride called?

The African Jungle Ride.

That's where he is.

The freeways.

The freezer's in the middle of the

jungle cruise.

Are there more people like you than we think?

Because while we don't think

there is anybody like you, are there more

Disney people that are in that company that are just silent right now?

There are a

lot of traditional folks that are below the line in Hollywood, meaning that

they're the craftspeople, the ones that actually do the work, as opposed to the ones that are green lighting projects and

actors commanding large salaries.

And they keep their head down.

I have a buddy that is having to direct woke stuff right now.

And I get texts going, man, this is just, it's not my scene.

I hate this.

And

they'll share my videos around by email, their personal email, and give me the thumbs up.

But

what really needs to happen is an opportunity to start.

pulling those folks into a new operation that competes with Hollywood.

One where they know that they're not going to be canceled and that they can feed their families and save their country at the same time.

And if an opportunity like that presents itself, then I think that there are tons of people in Hollywood that would jump at the chance.

I will tell you, though, that

conservatives just don't part with their money as easily as liberals do, especially on things like movies.

You know, they don't like the odds of success.

And it's interesting because when it comes to politics, it seems like the left never runs out of money.

But it's very difficult on the right for some reason.

Well, there's a very different mindset.

I mean, you know, I kind of straddled the world between entertainment and politics.

And there's very,

you know, the people that run the money in politics are very set in their ways.

And they're able to kind of give the same sales pitch as to where the money's going to go in the ads.

And,

you know, I,

you know, I actually created 10 spots for the Trump campaign, and not one of them got used.

And it wasn't the folks that I was working with directly.

They were great.

But it would go up the food chain and it would get mixed.

Would you be willing to share them?

I'd love to see them.

I actually rebranded them as Politozoid and

they're on the YouTube channel and the Twitter.

All right.

That still made sense to release.

But I mean,

I didn't sleep all last October, and I put out spots that could have come up like the day after a debate or something, and they just didn't get used.

And

it was very frustrating because I feel like the pieces I did could have moved the needle.

It could have brought in folks that

for traditional campaign ad would not have reached.

But, you know, it's going to take time.

Unfortunately, we don't have a lot of time, but

I'm going to keep hammering at it and as the opportunities present themselves, then I'm just going to kind of keep building.

Well,

Politizoid, I have to tell you, I was really, really impressed with this video.

And I will begin to share

some of your work as well and hope to talk to you offline as well.

I think what you're doing is exactly right and I really appreciate your

passion and your willingness to risk.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

You bet.

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Tomorrow's television broadcast, our Wednesday night special, just when we thought the worst of the pandemic was over, it started to crawl out

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Like a cockroach underneath a refrigerator, the tyranny has crawled out again.

California reminds us the fight is far from over.

New York is going back into a crackdown.

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And these guys are like, look,

I'm not a conservative, but I'm not doing this again.

These people are putting

my business, my restaurant out of business.

And there is,

gosh, I wonder if the Department of Homeland Security is on this because there's an uprising in New York by liberals.

Hmm.

Just been tired of being pushed around.

Hmm.

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