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And kids, there was this man called Devin Nunes,

and and he was doing the right thing.

I don't know what happened to him all those years ago.

Congressman Devin Nunes is with us now, the congressman, the Republican congressman from California, to talk about the Durham investigation.

Devin, how are you, sir?

I'm doing well, Glenn.

Thank you.

I'm still here.

I'm still alive.

This is really me.

Doesn't it, I mean, it seems like it's never going to come out, is it?

Well, look, this has been a, we're in year five of this,

of this charade, the Russia hoax.

And you have to remember, the left never lets anything die because they have the propaganda machine that's out there promoting this.

And every day there's a new version of it.

Every day, I mean, just last week there was a new version that, oh, yeah, Donald Trump did something in Europe.

So we're always combating that because the hoaxers, which there's a bunch of them, but the ones in the media who really promoted this are constantly dripping out fake news.

So look, as it relates to Durham, what I've always said is that I really don't care about a report.

What I want to see are indictments.

Yes.

So now, as we know, this is going to be a challenge for Durham.

I do believe he's doing a thorough investigation.

I have confidence in that because we do not hear leaks.

He is a special counsel, but ultimately,

the Department of Justice under Biden is going to have to make the call here.

And I think

Durham understands that.

I don't believe with Durham's long-storied career, not seeing any leaks, everything that you see about him, it shows me that he wants to get to the truth.

There should be people that are easy to indict.

We've made over the years 14 criminal referrals that are not just on, that doesn't mean 14 people, that means dozens of people that have been referred by the Congress.

So,

look, and I think at a minimum, Glenn, what we're going to get, if Durham can get the indictments, that's what we really want.

It's what the country needs.

But if not, he'll probably have some type of report that if DOJ refuses to prosecute, would be my guess.

Well, here's the other thing that DOJ I just read today: DOJ is thinking about sealing some of these documents and sealing some of these grand jury investigations and everything till 2056.

Excuse me?

Yeah.

Would that include the Durham report?

I don't believe they could do that.

But believe me, they will try.

They will try.

And that, look, this is why

it's so critical.

Remember,

you know, when I had the gavel, when I was chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, we had to go, we had to fight all these bureaucracies to make things public.

You know, we were the ones that got out that, hey, they they were actually using the Clinton paid-for dirt in order to get the FISA warrant to spy on the Trump

pain.

We had to use all the power of the House of Representatives and the Constitution in order to get that out.

You know, I got the hellbeat out of me.

That's why you're probably surprised.

Many people are surprised I'm still alive.

I know.

I know.

But this is why we need to get the gavel back.

We have to get the gavels back next year in order to hold these guys accountable.

They can't bury stuff as long as

we, the House of Representatives, we don't need the Senate to sign off.

We can approve anything we want to declassify information.

If indeed they try to hide the Durham report.

Here's the problem.

America is quickly losing faith, all faith.

I mean, we've lost a lot of faith, but all faith in justice, that anyone is actually going to pay for a crime.

I mean, you got people walking out of Target stores now with their hands full of stuff, and they're not running out.

They're just walking out because no one pays for their crimes anymore.

We have the FBI lawyer that falsified evidence.

He just got a slap on the wrist.

Nothing.

That guy,

that makes me say, if they can do that to him, what are they going to do to me?

Because if they're doing that to the president, lying about it, changing documents, and then lying to the FISA court, and nothing really happens to him, we're all in deep trouble.

And the same thing with the FISA court itself.

Nothing's been done to rein that in, has it?

And I don't want to,

it's early in the morning in most parts of America, but I don't want to get people depressed or their blood pressure up.

But the bad part is here that, look, institutions across this country are decaying, even ones that we held in a very high regard, whether it's all the intelligence agencies, including the FBI, the Department of Justice, right?

Justice is supposed to be blind.

The U.S.

military has been politicized now.

I mean, you even had yesterday, you had Nancy Pelosi for the first time, Speaker of the House, basically tell the minority, nah, we're not going to take who you want to put on committees.

That's never happened in the 230-plus year history of the United States of America in the House of Representatives.

So, yes, every institution

is decaying rapidly.

It's scary.

Look, I'm from California, so I've watched this happen my whole life.

It's what drove me into politics.

Our country is under attack, there's no question, and these institutions are rotting from within.

And look, it's just a problem when

you've got the beltway

and 95% of the people vote for Biden.

So you've got...

all throughout all the bureaucracy, I mean, if you are a Republican there, you're probably scared to admit it because you know, you probably get beat up walking out of the building.

News broke last week that a federal prosecutor in Delaware, I think,

investigated, you know, delayed the investigation into Hunter Biden so it wouldn't become a headline during the election.

And I heard all kinds of praise.

Oh, that was very brave.

Very brave.

We, you know, we

have the laptop now.

One of our good friends is going through the laptop and reading everything.

And he says when it all comes out, and he's going to be bringing out his report probably at the end of the year.

When he says when it all comes out, he said it is devastating.

The White House says that, you know, he's going to, you know, Hunter Biden is now an artist with $500,000 paintings, which is insanity.

But they have rules.

He won't know who's buying it.

Yet he's going to be at the opening cocktail party where you invite all the big, what is he, walking around blindfolded?

This is insane, Devin.

Insane.

Yeah, no,

it's total corruption.

And look, so what we have to do, and this is what I do, we have to get up every day and you have to fight.

You have to get in the trenches and you have to fight.

You have to be patient and you have to strike.

We've got to win elections.

There's so much that has to be done at the state level, the local level.

And look, and Glenn, you know this is just as well as anybody.

The scariest thing that we face right now is it's not that it's people say, well, it's the press.

The press is against us, yeah, but you and I have known that for years, but that's actually not the problem because

even though they control 95% of the press, they basically suck.

They're no good at it.

And the 5% that we have, the investigative reporters that we have, that for example, I just saw yesterday that now we learn from real investigative reporting from the from the laptop, from the laptop from hell, that that Hunter Biden,

his father, Joe Biden, guess what?

Had a a non-government email that he was emailing and forwarding things on.

Remember this?

It's very reminiscent of Hillary Clinton.

So Biden

had the same thing, and many other actors did.

So that's on the laptop.

So we have real investigative reporters.

So I'm not worried about that because we can do the investigations, especially if we get Congress back and the Senate back and we get gavels.

We can do the investigations.

My biggest concern is the censorship by these tech, well, I call them the tech oligarchs,

but when Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and Google,

when they start

censoring so badly that I can't find the Glenn Beck program, right?

I can't, and if I go Google, you know, go Google, well, don't Google my name, but if you did, I mean, you would think that if I'm not dead, I should someone should have killed me all.

Yeah, I know.

Google my name.

Yeah, or your, or your, so it's just,

that's the biggest concern that I have moving forward is this outright censorship.

And it's it's in a new

it's new because it's new technology, but it's an old classic tactic

that every leftist or dictator uses, and that is to censor information.

It's no different than what you see happening in Cuba right now.

is happening in our own country

when you have when you have these companies like Parlor, for example, that gets nuked and completely taken off the internet by Bezos and Apple and Google and everybody else.

Even though we now know they warned.

They warned about it.

They raised the flag about it.

None of the others did.

Days before January 6th, they reached out and said, hey, I think there's trouble here.

And they were the ones punished.

More people were organizing on Facebook than on

Parlor.

Right.

I mean, it's obscene.

You mentioned

Nancy Pelosi yesterday saying, you know, we're not accepting those people on the committee.

Devin, this is very concerning because I think this goes right into the COVID,

you know, this new thing about we've got these people who are pushing propaganda and they're very dangerous and they need to be shut down.

They are, this is a red scare.

They are closing doors and

pushing people, half the country, into this position of you're a danger to society and you need to be reprogrammed or you need to be shut down or, you know, all of this, all of this stuff.

I'm very concerned about the January 6th Commission because

there's a lot of questions that need to be answered.

That show they knew in advance, why didn't you do anything?

And I don't think this is a commission to find the truth.

This is almost like an inquisition.

Well, obviously it is.

And look, my advice from the beginning of this was you don't lay down with people like Pelosi.

These people have lost their mind.

I mean, from the magnetometers to putting the wall up around the Capitol to, you know, to her shenanigans that, you know, she ultimately was responsible for this.

And if she was a real leader, she would have said that.

Because

every time, I've been in Congress a while, every time there's going to be a big protest of some kind, they always have walls up.

They always have National Guard out.

That didn't happen.

So look,

I'm not saying she did it on purpose, but hey, you're a leader, you're the Speaker of the House.

Hey, yeah, we screwed up.

That's what should have happened.

But to sit here and just want to use this as a sledgehammer to paint all conservatives in this country as racist and

that there was some insurrection going on

is total nonsense and they know it.

And that's why they won't release the 14,000 hours of tape.

So, look, I had advised the leadership that I did not think it was a good idea to deal with these people.

These people, meaning the Democrats and Pelosi, they were being totally disingenuous.

But what happened yesterday, and I know you understand this, but this might be

the most outrageous thing Pelosi's ever done, and she's done a lot of really bad, outrageous things, but to essentially trample over the Constitution, trample over 230 years

of

the United States Congress and to say, oh, I'm going to get to decide what the minority party in this country, the Republicans at this point, I'm going to decide who goes on what committee.

That's never been done.

And that's part of a Democratic Republic operating is the minority have rights.

And so isn't it ironic the kooks, the left, like Pelosi, run around, oh, all the minorities, we're protecting you.

No, the reality is they know exactly what they're doing.

They're putting Republicans in the minority and then they're taking away our rights.

And it's so wrong.

Well, I've only got about a minute, a minute and a half for an answer on this, and I've got to let you run.

I know you're busy.

We're talking to Congressman Devin Nunes.

The one thing that concerned me before the election was the cavalier way the Democrats were were taking the election.

They weren't out in a full-fledged push.

They didn't mind that Biden was in his basement.

There wasn't a lot of talk or momentum.

And it felt like this is a setup.

They know something.

I kept saying on the air, what do they know that we don't know?

And right now in Congress,

they have gone so far off the reservation.

Independents are gone.

And many Democrats are starting to say, wait a minute, this is craziness.

Well, Glenn, it's an easy answer.

You know why.

So last year, they were just beating the crap out of Trump and Republicans.

They had everything going their direction because they controlled all the media.

They were censoring like hell.

That's why, at the end of the day, they had to take Parler down because it was up to nearly 20 million people on the platform.

It was a real alternative.

And

thank God we still have Rumble so that we have a place to post our videos today because YouTube is still censoring us.

But here's the problem.

That worked in the campaign.

But here's what they can't control.

They can do all the fake news stories they want they can censor all they want but they they have a problem when i'm driving through california i pull in the gas station gas is five dollars a gallon right so everything is up everything in the grocery store you can't find things and then i think you know things to buy you know basic things are not available and then you put on top of that people that are working out there working for a living and they're watching their neighbors sit at home and play video games and smoke and smoke dope or whatever the hell they're doing and say wait you know i'm getting yelled at here as a waitress.

I'm trying to work hard, I'm trying to get people food, and my neighbor's making the same amount as I am.

They can't censor that, and they can't hide that from the American people, and that's their problem.

Devin Nunes, I would love to invite you.

I know you're very busy, but I'd like to invite you to spend an hour with me on a podcast because I've got a million questions, and I think you're one of the honest guys who will actually provide real answers and insight for us.

Thank you so much for being on today, Devin.

Appreciate it.

Thanks a lot, Great Beck.

Thanks for everything you do.

You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

So we have,

what is his name, Vinny Vitalini?

He is a Republican pollster and

watcher.

Vinny, welcome to the program.

Thank you, Mr.

Beck.

I appreciate your time.

However, I would correct you, Democratic pollster.

You said Republican pollster.

Oh, did I?

You did.

And I'm not sure if you're back on the sauce

per se, but no.

That seems a little hostile for a little error like that, but

you mean the exact reverse of my complete ideology?

That's your minor error.

Well, you know, Vinny, we all make mistakes.

I mean, calm down a little bit.

We just wanted to get the other side because I thought

the town hall yesterday hosted by Don Lemon was just fascinating.

Don Lemon is among the most fair and educated men in America today.

Really?

It was fantastic to see him in all of his fairness

displayed and just sprayed all over the space.

Right, okay, okay, all right.

Let's take a couple of cuts here from Joe Biden and

see,

you know, just get your response on this.

Let's take cut one.

Here it is.

You seem pretty confident that inflation is temporary, but if you're pumping all of this money into the economy, couldn't that add to no?

Look, here's the deal.

Moody's today, when a Wall Street firm, not some liberal think tank, said if we pass the other two things I'm trying to get done, we will in fact reduce inflation, reduce inflation, reduce inflation, because we're going to be providing good opportunities and jobs for people who, in fact, are going to be reinvesting that money back in all the things we're talking about, driving down prices, not raising prices.

I don't think he understands how inflation works.

When you have prices going up, it is the matter of too few

goods being chased by too many dollars.

Well, that's not exactly exactly surprising to hear the figurehead of January 6th say something like that.

Thank you, Glenn.

I guess

are you organizing people again?

Are you going to take over the capital again?

No,

I had nothing to do with that.

In fact, I warned against it.

Yeah, here's the thing.

When new money is printed by the government,

have you ever taken a big stack of paper?

Maybe you put a big piece of paper, you put it down on the counter.

You got got a big stack of them.

Right.

And you try to pull one piece out of that paper.

Yeah, right.

You're going to pull more than one piece, right?

Right.

That's what happens.

That's what happens.

So when you print new money in an economy, it's going to attach itself to the other money, and it's going to seem like less dollars, which is going to bring the inflation rate down.

I don't think that has any

basis of fact in it at all.

Please don't, please don't hit me with a Trump flag.

Please, I beg of you.

I think the attack is beginning.

All right.

Apparently.

Can I just ask you?

Moody's, he says, is a big Wall Street firm.

Actually,

it's a credit rating service, is what they really do, is they, you know, they give the credit for the United States of America, et cetera, et cetera.

And

Biden's administration came out, I think it was last week, maybe the week before,

and said they want to take over the credit rating system.

So wouldn't Moody's,

first of all, not as credible

as the president would say on inflation, but

wouldn't they be a little incentivized to say things that the president might want them to say at this point?

That's an interesting point, Marjorie Taylor Greene.

I'm not sure how the Jewish space laser is working right now.

I don't have to just check in with the colours.

I didn't say, okay, let's go to...

Let's go to cut two, please.

All can decide.

I think it really is a matter of

people deciding now that they have opportunities to do other things and there is a shortage of employees.

People are looking to make more money and to bargain.

And so I think your business and the tourist business is really going to be in a bind for a little while.

Well, let me ask you, because John is looking to hire people.

He's got 39 restaurants across the country.

Is there anything you can do to help him out?

I mean,

he's got to get people in.

Well, John, first of all,

the thing we did to help John and the Johns out was provide billions of dollars to make sure they could stay open.

You didn't make that.

Number one.

So you all contributed to making sure John could stay in business.

And we should.

We should have done that, as we did for other industries.

But secondly, John, my guess is that

people being $7, $8 an hour plus tips,

I think, John, you're going to be finding $15 an an hour or more.

Okay, a couple of things.

First of all, the administration really didn't help small businesses stay at 50 to 70 percent of all small businesses have closed and they're not coming back.

I don't know what economy you're looking at.

Where do you broadcast from?

I assume Charlottesville.

Is that your hometown?

No, it's Dallas, Texas.

Oh, okay.

Wow, yeah.

So that here's the thing.

Here's the thing.

Let me me tell you.

What the Biden administration did

and what we did was to just work with local unions

and make sure they went door to door throughout the pandemic to let them know whether they were going to

remain open.

We talked to individual business owners.

who worked closely with our union allies

to come up with a plan that would allow them

to remain open.

And what we're seeing now is many businesses did close.

Right.

Many people, as you saw, many people, unfortunately, Glenn died in this.

And

we should point out, we did not have anything to do with that.

But these companies that didn't want to go along with the plan we were working on they did have higher death rates that's that's a fact i mean that's a fact that did happen probably because they weren't masking we had so many cases of covet 19 where people affected with this respiratory illness happened to hit the peak of these effects while at the top of a bridge

and sadly these bodies stacked up under these bridges

that's why we need

higher walls inside of bridges are a big part of the business.

Okay, okay.

I don't even begin to understand that.

It sounded like it was a union threat.

But this guy was saying that he's open to hire.

And what the president said was you need to pay people more money.

But that doesn't work in business.

I mean, there's a formula.

You know,

you have to have some profit left over to be able to keep your doors open.

You can't just keep paying people

more and more money.

I mean, it doesn't work that way.

I'm watching the broadcast, and

you may only be playing the audio of these clips, but you should know that businessman that received the money was white.

So I assume you're happy about it.

I don't have any idea.

Congratulations.

Let me

go to the broadcast with that hood, by the way.

Could we go to

cut three, I think, here with Biden stumbling?

That's underway, just like the other question that's illogical.

And I've heard you speak about it because you always, I'm not being solicitous, but

you're always straight up about what you're doing.

And the question is whether or not we should be in a position where you

are, why can't

the

experts say we know that this virus is in fact

going to be or shame we we know why all the drugs approved are not temporarily approved but permanently approved yeah that's underway too I expect that to occur quickly can we just stop for a second I we'll get to the Don Lemon part here after but I I

what did he just say

I think it was I think it was very clear

was it yes he said that there's a there's a we're what we're doing the thing is going on now right okay okay you have to And I don't mean to.

Well, when you do what you do,

when you do it,

it results in

a thought of,

and that's where we are now

is

where it goes.

And that's what I think the American people need to understand.

Okay, let's go to the comment about Don Lemon.

He said this

about Don Lemon.

Could we Google Google Lemon?

I know this is going to sound like a non-answer to you, but part of this is that, you know,

you know because you're one of the most informed journalists in the country.

Yes.

You know the criticism I got when I said, I want to unite the country.

I said, you can't unite the country.

Well, if we can't unite the country, we can never get some of these problems solved.

Oh, yeah, well, absolutely.

And that's Joe being Joe right there.

We need to come together, Glenn, on things of common sense that Americans can all agree on.

For example, health care.

Healthcare, as you know, very important topic for the American people.

We are seeing an incredible amount of kneecaps smashed in by crowbars all across the country.

As a union boss,

what would that be?

Oh, my God.

I can't tell you how many people are suffering from crowbars to the face and to the knees.

Okay.

Could I just play a couple of questions here for you?

I hope you're not suffering from something like that, Glenn.

I hope it doesn't happen soon.

Right.

And I hope it doesn't happen to any of your family members.

I'm looking right now at this list of addresses, and I mean, they're spread over the country.

You wouldn't think that all of them are going to be a lot of people.

Can I just

say, but who knows?

Could I just

play

Cut 14, please?

So here in Hamilton County, the vaccination rate remains at about 50%.

And you talked about the virus that's spreading.

Masks are seen less and less.

And as you know, children under age 12 still are not eligible to be vaccinated.

Schools are working with all of this information as they think about reopening next month.

As a school employee and as a parent to children under age 12,

I'm really concerned.

What is your message to those parents, educators, and school districts?

I understand your concern.

I really do.

My question is,

I want to play one more, and then I'm going to give you a second to think about it.

Could we go to cut 12, please, real quickly?

As Mr.

Lemon said, you have already touched on the subject of my question.

The two most recent presidents, past presidents, have both campaigned using this region's Interstate 75 bridge, the Branch Spence Bridge that crosses the Ohio River.

as backdrops with a promise of an infrastructure bill that would help with the replacement.

Okay.

Stop.

This is somebody who is a union electrician.

Yeah.

And the

last lady was a member of the teachers' union.

It seemed like the questions were all

favorable to the president

and almost like it read like a script.

And I noticed the people, a lot of them were union members.

And unions aren't very popular right now.

There's not a lot of.

I'm sorry, what?

You said what?

I just said that unions aren't.

I said unions are what?

Not necessarily very popular right now.

Interesting.

Hold on one moment.

Are you writing this down?

So unions aren't, but interesting.

Okay, so look.

How is this audience selected?

How were they selected?

How were they selected, yes?

So we went through a list.

A list.

A list of regular Americans.

Regular Americans.

From all walks of life.

From walks of life, yes.

Yes.

All walks of life.

Just randomly selected.

From a list.

From a list.

What got you onto that list?

Well, several things, of course.

Okay.

All right.

You needed to be

alive.

Alive?

Okay.

That was one thing we looked for.

All right.

You needed to

be available.

We needed to have your information.

Because we wanted to contact people these days.

So we needed to go to a place that had the information.

Where would you go to get the information?

Union donors.

Union donors.

That's where we went.

We had that information.

All right.

Yes.

And I know you agree

that it was a very interesting

gathering

and we learned a lot.

And you, I know, were turned around by what Joe Biden said in the town of the United States.

It's strange because that's not the way.

You were

turned around by Joe Biden and his responses.

Well, I I I I wouldn't exactly phrase it that way.

Anyway,

Glenn Beck

were

convinced that

is what

I don't.

How's your son, Rafe?

How's he doing today?

Why would you.

Where is he today, by the way?

Oh, I know where he is.

Why would that?

I know where.

Why am I asking you when I know where your son is?

Why would you say that you know where?

Why would you even know where my son is?

I know where he is.

Do you?

Do you know where he is, Glenn?

I thought it was a very interesting broadcast last night, and I was turned around.

Good point.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Senator Rand Paul,

I am thrilled to have you on today to talk about

Fauci and his clear, blatant lies.

We have done two specials on Fauci and his lies in regards of gain of function research.

How is he possibly claiming that this isn't gain of function research?

Well, you know, no one's forced him to explain himself.

He just hurls, you know, ad hominem insults, but he doesn't really explain.

He says, oh, well, my assistants said it was gain of function research.

But people need to realize that he's not a disinterested party.

He has a conflict of interest.

His interest is in not being associated with gain of function any longer, not being associated with the Wuhan lab.

And most particularly, he doesn't want to attach to himself any responsibility for the pandemic.

And he realizes that once it is well known that they were doing gain of function research, very dangerous research in Wuhan, and once it is realized by everybody that he was funding Wuhan,

he is realizing that this is starting to stick and also stick to him personally.

And so, yes, he is worried about it.

And I think it's going to get worse.

How do you, I mean, I don't understand why he would lie about this because he says you're claiming that he's responsible for everybody who has died.

And I don't hear that from you.

I hear you say that

what they were doing in Wuhan and came out about in 2016 with the approval and funding from Fauci

was gain of function research.

So it gave them the ability, but you're not saying that even that that's the same virus

that came out of of possibly the lab in 2019.

Are you saying that he is directly responsible for that?

We're saying one very simple, precise thing, that the NIH, with Dr.

Fauci's approval, funded the lab in Wuhan and the lab was doing dangerous gain of function research where you take an animal virus or parts of an animal virus or its genes and you merge them with another virus.

Initially, the animal virus doesn't infect humans, but then when you merge these two together, you would create a novel virus that's that's not known in nature that infects humans.

This is exactly what the NIH put out in their definition.

I read the definition as the NIH read it to him.

He's like, no, no, that's not gain of function.

But it really begs the question, then what really is gain of function and why is this not?

But we haven't gotten there because no one in the media that gets to interview him asks him any tough questions.

He was on like with Gail King, and Gail King's like, ha, ha, ha, ha, what do you think of Rand Paul?

And Rand Paul says this to you.

And they just laugh and they yuck it up, but nobody asks him any tough questions.

He's never been asked, why is it not gain of function?

Here is what specifically that causes this research not to be dangerous.

Here is what Jake Tapper said yesterday: quote, I want to start with another kind of misinformation: the constant mega media and Republican lawmaker attacks on health experts, especially Dr.

Anthony Fauci.

And I'm not even going to get into the details of what Senator Paul was attacking there and all of that.

So he won't even address it at all.

And see, the thing is, is 4 million people died.

CNN's been, you know, trying to make money off of this pandemic for two years, and yet they don't want to go to the heart of the matter.

Did it start in a lab and did it start from gain of function research?

Is it dangerous research?

Should we continue doing this research?

We do it in North Carolina.

We do it in Galveston.

Is this the kind of research the taxpayers should fund?

Is there a danger that we could have another outbreak of an even worse virus from a lab in our country?

So these are real questions, and it really shouldn't have to be partisan, but they want none of it.

You know, this is the problem with Groupthink.

We now live in a society of groupthink where the government funds all of the scientists, so they're definitely afraid of having their funding taken.

But now the media is editing out.

I mean, it's amazing what's going on in the media that when you read the AP story of this, you hear only one side.

They have decided there's only one side to print, and that's Dr.

Fauci's side, and none of our defense was printed at all by the Associated Press.

And it is so clear.

Iran, I mean, I commend you for being as clear-headed and clear-eyed as you are on this, staying rational and reasonable.

It is so clear when you look at the documentation.

And you, I mean, here's Peter Dazik, a guy who Fauci funded, we don't have it, a guy who was funded by the NIH and Dr.

fauci and given money for gain of research or gain of function research at the wuhan lab and he is on video we just don't happen to have it right now but he's on videotape in 2016 explaining it explaining what's going on and defining it as gain of function research how how

anyone can deny this is truly, truly remarkable.

Well, it gets even worse.

You know, we go back to Dr.

Fauci in 2012 was asked, what about accidents?

And he says, yes, it's possible that a researcher could get one of these viruses, take it out of the lab and cause a pandemic.

He actually uses those words.

But he says, you know, in that instance, the research would still be worthwhile, even if a pandemic occurred.

So the question really ought to be for CNN and all these people who love this crisis ought to be, Dr.

Fauci, is it worth the 4 million lives to have this scientific research?

Because see, that's a judgment call.

He was also asked in the Judiciary Committee about a month ago: Do you still trust the Chinese scientists?

And he said yes.

So, really, these are judgment calls that should preclude him from being in any position of judgment.

You know, gain of function research is not worth 4 million lives.

And actually, they're working with viruses that could cause 60 million lives.

And yet, he thinks it's still worthwhile.

And I'd say, why don't we ask some of the families of people who died in the pandemic whether this research was worth it?

I have to tell you, I, you know,

I don't know where I stand on gain of function function research.

I think that here in America, in a bio-level lab that's, you know, bio-level four,

possibly we can look into it.

But we are dealing with extraordinarily dangerous things, and I certainly don't trust it to the Chinese.

We developed

humanized lungs in mice.

And

we were, we, I believe we sent that technology over to Wuhan, to the lab, and in the summer of 19, they were trying to infect those mice with coronavirus.

Then two months later, you have three people going to the hospital with

corona-like virus symptoms, and nobody said anything, and that's two months before the pandemic starts.

So as far as gain of function research in our country, I think that we should should have research into deadly pathogens that exist in nature, and we need this biosecurity level for labs to do it.

So I'm not against researching deadly pathogens that exist in nature.

I'm against creating new deadly pathogens that don't exist in nature in the lab, because I think that you can't have perfection as far as them not leaking from the lab.

And they're experimenting with the SARS virus, which had to say 15% mortality.

And the good news about SARS back in 2004 was 15% mortality, but it wasn't very transmissible.

But all the experiments are doing is taking the SARS virus, which isn't very transmissible, adding new S-proteins from other coronaviruses, and then making it more transmissible.

It's a definition of a really just

a wrong-headed notion to create things that are more transmissible in nature.

I think it's a big mistake.

The House is,

they killed a bill yesterday that would have required the White House to declassify intelligence related to the origins of COVID-19, the virus.

And they're now saying that we need to keep all of this stuff secret.

Do you think you win this?

And do we ever really know the truth?

I think that it's amazing and people would be aghast to know that Dr.

Fauci has made secret even the committee.

So the names of the people on the committee are secret, the people who approve this research.

And then the other problem is sometimes they don't even put, like I said, Dr.

Xi's research never went before the committee.

And I guarantee at some point, there is some paperwork somewhere, and they'll never reveal it, where Dr.

Fauci approves an exemption for Dr.

Xi, where there's a discussion, is this gain of function, and whether an exemption is given.

I think they probably gave an exemption rather than say it wasn't gain of function when they did this back in 2017, because it wasn't as big a controversy.

But to get to that information, you'd have to have a friendly administration.

The only reason we found out about General Flynn and all the unmasking was because Rick Grinnell declassified it.

You're going to have to get somebody at a top level who would actually declassify this stuff.

Don't we know that

they did

know that it was gain of function?

I mean, in that first email, I'm looking for it here, but in that first email where

Fauci is freaking out, in that report, it says that this happened before the ban was in place, and then it was approved, reviewed, and approved by NIH

to continue to go on.

Is you're right, alarm urgency.

He sends to his assistant, oh my god, look at this paper.

The paper he sends is a paper by Dr.

Shee and Barrick, and it involves gain of function research.

His people respond, going, Oh my goodness, it's gain of function research.

But then to the public, they say, Nothing to see here.

It's fortunate that we know it had nothing to do with the lab, and you're a conspiracy theorist if you do.

And then Facebook and everybody followed along.

You talk about group thing.

It's not just government, it's their friends and social media then going along.

And

I find it

almost humorous, but really sad that now Facebook has now decided that you can mention this.

After nine months of them saying you couldn't because it was disinformation, now all of a sudden it's information again because Facebook says it can be information again.

And

it's dangerous

to quote you or now to present the evidence that we're presenting that Fauci clearly, clearly knew.

Rand, you know, one of the things, I don't even know if you thought of this, but one of the things that shows me how afraid they are of this is they haven't brought Donald Trump into it.

And here's why I say that.

It was Barack Obama that banned this kind of research.

Donald Trump opened it up again in, what, 2017 and said we can do the gaining function research.

Nobody is mentioned.

I mean, if you really, if you go by their playbook, Donald Trump is responsible for everything.

And they don't even want to talk about this to the point to accuse him.

It's more complicated than that.

I don't think Trump had any knowledge of this opening back up.

It was Dr.

Fauci in a minor memo at a minor meeting.

They sort of did this without any fanfare.

And I don't think it went above Dr.

Fauci as far as approving of this.

There's no presidential seal on opening up gain of function again.

But the thing is, is it really doesn't have to be partisan.

My goal is to make sure it never happens again.

But also, the thing is, is we shouldn't have someone at the top of the food chain making these decisions who

trust the Chinese completely, still trusts them three weeks ago, and who believes that this research is worth the risk of a pandemic.

And that's the real question.

I can't believe that you know, all his defenders, CNN, MSNBC,

that statement is horrifying, that he believes that even a pandemic is worth it for this research.

Most other scientists disagree, and you ask, can we ever win?

We're not going to get the information from government.

But what I've been advocating is that we impanel a group of scientists and ask the question, was the 2017 research gain of function?

That's a pretty precise question, but the thing is, is then we'll have a debate over, you know, whether he's telling the truth or not.

It's hard to find the scientists, though, because they're all going to play role at the NIA.

I also

wonder, I've never seen anybody treat a senator.

I mean, except for like the McCarthy hearings.

I have not seen somebody so arrogant, knowing that you guys have the power to, you know,

send him to prison.

And he was very, very clear.

He wasn't lying, et cetera, et cetera.

He was hostile towards you.

You are now saying that you are going to draw up papers to give to the Justice Department.

Do you really think the Justice Department is going to do anything about it?

We don't have a great deal of hope that they will.

It's a Biden Justice Department, unlikely to.

But the reason I did send the referral over yesterday with the allegations and with the facts of where he's not being honest, because the thing is, is we need to try to win this battle intellectually.

We need to win the battle on the facts so it doesn't happen again.

And also so he doesn't keep giving terrible advice to, you know, he was on TV saying that a mask was more important than a vaccine.

You talk about disinformation.

The masks don't work.

90% of the masks don't work other than the N95, and the vaccine does work.

I've never said the vaccine doesn't work.

I would say you're an idiot if you say masks work better than a vaccine, and yet he and CNN were propagating that lie, which could cost lives.

But also, you can cost lives.

If you're an elderly person, you're taking care of your spouse and you wear wear a cloth mask around them and they have COVID and you think, oh, Dr.

Fauci told me I'll be safe.

It's a lie.

The cloth masks don't work at all.

The N95 do, but he lied to you because he didn't want you to buy the N95 mask because he thought they'd sell out.

Rand Paul, how can we help you?

Well, get people out there.

You know, people can go to randpaul.com because they're out after me.

We've got the woke generation coming out for me, so we have to be prepared.

But if you will go to randpaul.com, we appreciate it.

Thank you you very much, Rand Paul.

Appreciate it.

There are very few of them left that have the balls.

And the ones that are left are pretty fearless.

But I know because I talk to them often, they all feel very alone.

So show your support on any of these guys who are actually standing up.