Ep 110 | The Trans Activism That Will End Your Parental Rights | Abigail Shrier | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Over the past few years, the standard for controversy has dropped quite a bit.

For example, only a few years ago the phrase only women can give birth wouldn't be controversial at all now

saying that can get you banished from social media in reality it's all a distraction they don't want us to see what they're actually doing we're not supposed to notice that until about five years ago only about 0.01% of the population identified as transgendered.

Before 2012, there was no scientific literature on girls ages 11 to 21 ever having developed gender dysphoria at all.

Now, prepubescent girls account for the majority of cases.

What's happened?

In 2007, there was only one gender clinic in America.

Today, there are over 300.

This should be concerning because something is changing.

But the left's response to our concerns is to blame us for the problems that I believe they are causing.

Discourse is not a part of their tactic.

They'll hurl some insults, call you a transphobe, and then they are backed up by the mob, a mob that includes Twitter, the mainstream media, Hollywood, Silicon Valley, and now the federal government, right up to the office of the President of the United States.

I want to introduce you to somebody very controversial.

She's an investigative journalist for the Wall Street Journal, and she has focused on the transgender craze in her book, Irreversible Damage, the Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters.

In a move that surprised everyone, The Economist awarded it Book of the Year.

I can't recommend it highly enough.

Irreversible Damage.

Every parent, every grandparent, especially if you have daughters or granddaughters,

you have to read this book because something is changing in the world.

And its author, because she's speaking the truth, the facts,

she has become one of the most controversial media figures of our time.

Target stopped selling it on its online stores.

They've done that two times.

This story just broke today.

Bookseller Group apologizes to LGBTQIA plus.

Apologies are not enough.

We've begun addressing this today and are committed in engaging in a critical dialogue needed to inform concrete steps to address the harm we have have caused.

Why?

Because they were selling a book.

Her episode on the Joe Rogan experience was one of the episodes that Spotify employees demanded to have removed from the platform.

When she was on Jordan Peterson's podcast, Peterson, who's been on this show before, he has been completely surrounded by controversy for the last four years.

He said he was afraid that she was too controversial for him to associate with.

He said he had, quote, trepidation about even conducting the interview.

Wow.

Well, that's exactly the kind of discussion that I think we all need to have.

Look, if you're offended by something, get over it.

Listen to people who have a different point of view and find out where we can connect or where we're wrong.

What you're about to hear is the kind of conversation I had in mind when I created the Glen Beck podcast.

So today, please welcome Abigail Schreier.

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Abigail, what does it feel like to be

you

today?

Interesting year.

I bet it has.

You are not somebody, I mean, this,

you know, I got into this business.

I knew exactly what I was headed in for.

Did you have any idea what you were in for when you started looking into this?

No,

you know,

the world has changed a lot, I think, very quickly.

The change has accelerated.

Certainly, America has changed a lot.

And I think that the sort of the woke takeover has really accelerated in the last few years.

So it was possible to start writing a book thinking, okay, there are going to be some activists who freak out, but this is still America.

They're still going to sell my book at Target.

They're still going to, you know, abide their commitments to provide books that people want to read.

And I sort of, you know, found a very different, you know, one year later, it's a very different America.

So there was a I don't know if you saw what happened today.

The

HSS has come out and said they've got to stop disinformation.

Now they're using COVID, but they're talking about any kind of medical

advice that goes against

common practice and common knowledge that it needs to be suppressed and people need to be called out for it.

That is,

that's not going to stay just with COVID.

And that, to me, is extraordinarily disturbing, even if it was only about COVID.

Yes, I mean, look, my book's about a medical scandal, which is the total lack of oversight and of teenage girls getting access to hormones and surgeries with completely inappropriate lack of any kind of therapeutic or medical oversight.

And frankly,

lack of

forthrightness on the part of the medical community about

how dangerous some of these drugs are or how risky they are.

And all I'm pushing for is greater discussion and more transparency.

And I just want to make clear, you are not against trans people.

If you're an adult and you want to do whatever you want to do, that's what you do, right?

Not only am I not against trans people, I mean, I happen to really care for a lot of trans people.

I know

very much now,

I'm close to, but not only that, I would say that I'm not even against medical transition.

So

I don't personally have any issues with adults transitioning.

And in fact, I've known enough transgender adults that I I can say I honestly believe some of them have been greatly helped by it.

My concern is just that you see a rash of teenage girls who decide with their girlfriends that they're trans.

It does not look like traditional gender dysphoria.

And rather than doing any kind of differential diagnosis to make sure that these girls are getting proper treatment, the medical community, which is now activist-guided, is now rubber-stamping transitions for teenage girls.

It's really frightening.

And I was not aware at how few

gender dysphoria cases were happening with girls

until your book.

I mean, you would think that it's everywhere now.

And that's new.

Can you explain that?

Yes.

So we've seen this a number of times.

There have been some wonderful books written about this, actually.

Daniel, I think Lee Kravitz

wrote a a wonderful book about this and

about contagions, pure contagions.

So we've seen suicide do this, where people find out about it, and then there's the young teenagers who are in real mental distress decide that that's the best option for them.

So it's like a copycat in a way?

It does.

Anorexia and bulimia has always spread among teenage girls this way.

And now they look to the culture to understand why they feel so bad inside.

I mean, they have real anxiety and depression.

And And

the explanation that the culture, social media influencers, their teachers,

certainly their therapists and social workers at school can't wait to give them is, I know what your problem is.

You're probably trans.

So, this, when you've brought up anorexia and bulimia, that was the culture saying, well, because you're fat, because you're not pretty enough, you're whatever.

Now,

now, as we, I think, begin to correct that, we're doing something much, much worse and telling our young girls, you're confused,

you should have gender

transition,

right?

That's exactly right.

I mean, they're getting it from not only peers and teachers at school, but online influencers.

Remember, they spend most of their time online now.

They spend a great deal of time

and much less time with each other.

And online, there are so many influencers who have these very well-produced videos, you know, TikTok, Instagram, YouTube, and who can't wait to tell them that they've never felt better since they went on tea, testosterone.

And, you know, if you don't feel comfortable in your body, if you feel awkward in your body, if you don't feel perfectly feminine, you're probably supposed to be a boy.

I mean, but don't a lot of girls, you were a tomboy growing up.

Right.

So don't, I mean, I've known a lot of tomboys that, you know, were,

you know,

didn't need to transition, grew out of that.

Or even if they didn't, they still are not transgender.

Right.

Because we left them alone.

We left girls alone.

We didn't carve up girlhood the way we do today.

Now we examine it.

In school from kindergarten on, they're taught only they know their true gender identity.

And look at the characteristics of boys.

And this might mean that you're somewhere on the spectrum between, you know perfectly female and you know gen you know non-binary and one of these other you know there are so many at this point exotic gender identities to choose from and so girls are really being coached all over and then the moment they identify the you know girls who are in pain who are awkward who are struggling to fit in are celebrated so it's a situation where um sorry

it's a situation where you know it's it's like they they they they think think this might be the explanation, and then the moment they commit to it, they get more love than they've ever gotten from their peers.

And is it happening at the same rate with boys?

You know, it isn't.

I mean, well, two things.

One,

the reason that we, one of the reasons we know that this is a social contagion, and it really does look like a social contagion, is because girls have never historically experienced this gender dysphoria in any significant numbers.

And especially when people did experience it, they always had a childhood history.

These are girls with no childhood history and it's suddenly occurring to them in friend groups in adolescence.

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait.

What do you mean, a history?

You know,

go ahead.

Gender dysphoria typically began in early childhood, ages two to four.

It began with little children,

little kids saying, no, mommy, I'm not a boy, I'm a girl.

It was always overwhelmingly male.

Most boys would outgrow this.

Many would become a gay adult, and some percentage of them would go on to become what we used to say, call transsexuals.

And it did afflict women, but a vanishingly small number, 0.003%.

So you're talking about 1 in 30,000 women, very, very small numbers.

Today,

Teenage girls who have no childhood history are the leading demographic of those claiming to have gender dysphoria.

This is out of nowhere.

It's across the West.

There's been an explosion.

The UK gender clinic says it's never seen anything like this.

And we're seeing this in America as well.

Between 2016 and 2017, the number of gender surgeries for,

you know, on natal, on biological females, I think it quadrupled.

So you're looking at very high numbers.

What did you find from, I mean,

I really thought

that we had learned the lesson in the progressive genetic craze or eugenic craze that

doctors slow down, slow down.

But it is,

I don't know what happened to these doctors.

How come there aren't doctors that are saying, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's slow down here.

Because this is a massive, massive change to somebody.

So the doctors, believe it or not, mostly agree with me.

And they're mostly, I mean, I interviewed a lot of doctors.

That's how I was able to write the book.

And mostly think this is way too fast with too little oversight and too risky an intervention intervention without

protocols.

The problem is the activists got into the accrediting organizations and made affirmative care, meaning agreeing with the patient self-diagnosis.

That became the medical standard.

So they have to, their job is now to agree with the patient.

And then 20 states in America passed conversion therapy bans and they

snuck in gender identity language so that the conversion therapy bans, you can lose your license for so-called conversion therapy if you try to get a young person comfortable in their gender, in their biological sex, which is the way we have always treated gender dysphoria.

Now, the best practitioners are very afraid that if they speak up, they'll lose their licenses.

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So these clinics are popping up.

We have 300 clinics now in America.

So are these doctors that are at these clinics, are these ones who are all on board and they believe it?

No.

First of all, all, at these clinics, very often they never see a doctor.

Teenage girls will go in, they leave that day with a course of testosterone without even a therapist.

That day,

no psychological nothing.

No.

And in fact,

you know, it depends, the age of medical consent varies by state.

15-year-olds in Oregon can not only get testosterone, they could have their breasts removed without parental.

Oh my gosh.

So you're You're talking about a real abdication by the medical community.

And unfortunately, a lot of the best doctors have quietly shifted their practices so they don't have to deal with this by not seeing these patients

because they don't want to lose their licenses and they're horrified by what's going on.

Gosh, where does this end?

I mean, I know I'm skipping ahead here, but where does this end?

I think it ends in the courts.

But, you know, I hope, you know, there was a real awakening in the UK because a young woman who sued Kira Bell, sued the gender clinic in the in the UK and said look I was I was 15 years old when I started this nobody you know questioned me that I had gender dysphoria I had a lot of problems and this isn't right and now I'm you know worried I'm sterile and I have no breasts I mean this is

And so the UK has very much awakened to this.

They've stopped the gender treatments for minors, the earlier protocols they had for puberty blockers.

They've arrested them in Sweden because of concerns that these were far riskier and far less

helpful than they had earlier thought.

For some reason, they had become convinced that this was the cure for suicide when there really wasn't good data to show that.

And so everywhere else seems to be waking up to this.

The U.S., which is in the grips of woke madness, where you can never question anything the activists tell us,

we're going to have a much longer haul.

How are we perceived around the rest of the world in the medical community?

I mean,

yeah,

it's worth, it's a good question because, you know, I have to say that, you know, journalists in the UK say to me all the time, what is going on over there?

Because they cannot believe that you can't even, that the mainstream, you know, non, you know,

won't even carry a review of my book,

the mainstream newspaper, the legacy media in the U.S.

In the UK, this is all mainstream.

So I've been, you know, I was a book of the year by The Economist and The Times of London.

They are actually willing to have open dialogue, and their doctors are really speaking out.

And we do have a good group of doctors that has started to speak out, the Society for Evidence-Based Medicine, but it's really just getting going.

And doctors are still very afraid in America to lose their jobs.

I'm so afraid.

I mean,

what's his name?

President Eisenhower talked about this very thing in his farewell address.

He wasn't just talking about the military-industrial complex.

He talked about the scientific and educational complex that if you get money and politics involved, it's going to spiral out of control.

And

I mean, I don't even know how we got here on this.

You know, we've said for a long time, well, that's a slippery slope.

And people, that's not a slippery.

How did we get here?

Yes, it's going to get a lot worse.

So, so obviously, there's been something of an institutional takeover.

You know, a lot of the institutions that were supposed to, including the medical accrediting organizations that were supposed to protect patients, but we have a big problem in the U.S.

and it's only getting worse.

And the reason is, is, you know, a lot of good doctors have debunked the activists'

research, which is really, really shoddy research.

But right now in America, all the funding is for activists to do their research.

So they're they're pumping out this research that is, it takes, you know, it's getting debunked, but it takes some time.

Meanwhile, they are trying to make the case, even in some medical journals, that parents' custody should be taken away.

Parents should lose their kids if they don't immediately affirm a young teen who says they're transgender.

if they don't immediately put them on a track to transitions and surgery, you know, hormones and surgeries.

This is the stuff that's appearing in our medical journals.

It is a non-stop trans activism celebration zone.

So we're in for a really rough road, a continued rough road ahead, I think, in this country.

You wrote a story for the City Journal about a Pakistani immigrant named Ahmed.

Can you tell that story?

Sure.

So I was called, this was a parent who reached out to me in October of last year, 2020, and he said

that

he had dropped his suicidal child off at, it was a son, off at Children's Hospital in Seattle, and he was a teenager, and

he couldn't be there with his son because his son was, you know, because it was during COVID.

But the doctors, he started getting notes from the hospital.

He checked his son in and the boy was autistic.

He had a lot of problems, you know, had gotten very depressed during COVID.

And he started getting notes from the hospital, you know, we'd like to talk to you about your daughter.

And in the state of Washington, where he called me for the age at which mental health, gender-affirming mental health therapy, which can include, you know,

encouraging progress to hormones and surgeries,

that

can begin at 13.

So this boy who was in, who had admitted to their care, the man called me in a panic, realizing he might not get his son back if he didn't go along with this.

And then, you know, I talked to more and more parents.

I listened to his story.

I tried to help him.

And then I talked to more and more parents in these states.

And there are a lot of them now.

Gender affirming care or mental health care is available to very young teens.

Parents can't even know about it.

Doctors aren't even allowed to tell the parents about it.

And insurers can't notify parents.

So

they're really shifting power from

parents to young teens who are often under the influence of activists.

So

what is the goal of the activist?

Because

I have a lot of gay friends, I have gay employees, we've worked together for 20 years, we're great friends, no problems.

And they will say to me,

I'm not part of that.

They believed in gay marriage, everything else.

But

they're like, okay, okay, wait, what's happening?

It's gone over a cliff.

Who are these people that are the activists?

So I'll go even further than when you said not only is this not about gay people, it's not even about trans people because transgender people, and I know a lot of them at this point, are lovely.

They're wonderful Americans.

They are living good, healthy lives.

The activists, the woke activists, are whether you're talking about Black Lives Matter or critical race theory or gender ideology, they are very often the exact same group.

They are, you know, completely committed to recruiting revolutionaries.

They are completely committed to disrupting nuclear,

the American family and

attacking the nuclear family.

And

they want to sow chaos, and they're really effective at doing it.

It is remarkable to me because I look at CRT, and I just can't think of anything,

any way to describe that other than evil, because it only sows chaos.

It tells people you can't do it because these people who are irredeemable, there is no forgiveness, these people are in your way, so get them.

I think that's pretty darn evil.

And it feels like that's what is happening to us, that

there's this force of people out there who are just living for destruction of everything that we know historically is good.

That's right.

You know, critical race theory teaches children to hate each other and hate themselves.

And gender ideology tells young people to hate their own bodies.

It tells them that there's something wrong with them if they don't feel perfectly feminine or perfectly comfortable at 13 in a very fast-changing body.

It is an incredibly destructive ideology, and it's being promulgated in many, many public school systems across the country.

And it's even worse than that.

They often hide it in the curriculum.

So in California, they don't put it in the sex ed curriculum.

And it's not just California.

I was recently told another public school system did this as well.

They don't put it

in the sex ed curriculum because parents can opt out of that.

They stick it in the anti-bullying curriculum.

So parents didn't even know it was being taught.

Let's talk about the ones that are most affected.

Let's talk about the children and the parents.

If you're a parent, I mean, I don't know about you, but I've been sideswiped so many times by my children.

You're like, wait, what?

What is that?

You didn't even know.

What are the early signs for parents?

And talk to me about

the girls.

Right.

So this goes along with certainly anxiety and depression, which we've seen a lot of in these teenage girls.

These are the highest rates of that ever recorded.

And

it goes along with having trouble fitting in socially, which afflicts virtually every teenage girl.

And the early signs is they start, first of all, spending a lot of time on social media, because a lot of times they'll get it within social media.

And their friends, their group of friends will often come out as trans together.

That's one of the most obvious signs of peer contagion.

And so they'll start saying, first, they usually come out as, I'm not straight mom, I'm pansexual.

Keep in mind, these are girls who often have had zero sexual experience.

experience.

They've never even held a boy or girl's hand.

So these girls aren't spending much time with their peers in person.

They're spending a lot of time online.

And they reach for these exotic gender and sexual identities that give them cover in a really scary sort of thing.

So what is it that they are?

I mean, I knew how I felt about girls, and I'm sure gay men knew exactly how they felt about boys.

You just feel differently.

So what is the

what is it that they're feeling that

makes them say I'm pansexual?

So it's a little different for these girls.

First of all, they have spent far less time with each other.

Boys and girls were left alone,

especially into adolescence, much more than these kids are today.

So they're very immature.

And I mean that in a sort of romantic sexual development sense.

They don't know what they want.

They've never spent enough time in person together.

They're exposed to so much horrific stuff so early.

That's right.

And they're also exposed to online porn.

That's right.

So, so, what does that do to them?

Let me just, my, my son, I remember the first time he saw porn because it devastated him.

He was probably nine and stumbled onto something on the internet.

And it was, he was, I mean, he was shook for a long time.

It was something not, you know, not normal.

And

I just remember him for a long time being shook by that.

So that's exactly right.

Yeah.

These girls are seeing really horrific porn.

They're seeing choking.

And at very young ages, like you said, you're with your son at nine, very young ages, you know, nine, ten, eleven, they're seeing this.

And it terrifies them.

Meanwhile, they don't have time alone with their girlfriends.

They don't have time alone with boys.

They're with mom or on the internet all the time.

So their own real, you know, romantic and sexual development is very arrested.

and they just know it's not great to be a white girl today so they can choose they try to choose one of these other identities that might get them a little more um you know celebration at school wow wow i never even thought of that the pressure just to not be in a special category yeah

so what do what do parents do

well there are a few things you can do and it really depends on the age You know, the earlier, the better.

But one of the big things is social media.

I mean, my own view is we have to get young teens off it completely.

They should absolutely not be allowed to do that.

Do you have teenage kids?

I do not.

Okay, I do.

I mean,

it's not impossible.

I just don't know how to do it.

Well, let me just say this.

You're talking about a straight line between social media and cutting, self-harm, depression, anxiety.

I mean, all kinds of psychological misery.

So, so let's just say the risks are so severe.

It's just a no-brainer to me.

I kind of don't care what you have to do.

My, you know, my kids are not yet in their teen years, but you know, when they are, we will get them a flip phone.

They're just not going to have a phone with them.

They're not a smartphone.

Now, obviously, if you're talking about an 18-year-old, the older they get, it's harder.

But certainly 13, 14, do not introduce it.

Second of all, absolutely oppose gender ideology in the school.

Okay?

There's no reason we can't show compassion for trans-identified kids without indoctrinating an entire population in gender confusion.

So what does that mean?

What are you standing up against?

Find out if gender ideology is taught in your school.

The answer, it probably is.

Okay?

Find out if your kids are hearing about exotic identities at school and go in and tell, and don't stand for it.

Tell them you don't want that being taught to your kids.

You really, they should not be indoctrinated in the idea that there might be something fundamentally wrong with their bodies, especially for teenagers who are concerned that they are ugly, that there is something wrong with them.

And frankly, most of these kids had never had the thought until they were introduced to it by social media.

It is

to be a parent is is overwhelming.

I have kids that are in their 30s and I have kids that are now just getting, you know, to the end of high school.

And the world was scary enough when I was raising, you know, the 30-year-olds young.

Now,

it is just, it's

everything.

It is everything that is coming at the kids.

There is no, you know, people say all the time,

well, I grew up and I knew about that and I'm fine.

Yeah, because the water you were floating in was generally good.

And then there'd be a piece of garbage or sewage that would come by every once in a while.

We're now floating in sewage.

And if you're lucky, something good will pass by.

That's right.

That's exactly right.

And parents need to know about that.

I mean, you know,

the teachers I interviewed in the public school system in California for my book told me that parent rights end at the school door.

When you drop your kids off, I'm sorry.

Basically, your rights are over.

And

that is the attitude of, unfortunately, a lot of social worker activists and a lot of teachers and therapists.

Their attitude is, I know, you know, I may only see you for 45 minutes, you know, one 45-minute session, but you and I know that you're really this new identity.

And let me affirm you and further confuse you.

How fast do you think it's coming to where we could lose our kids to

the state where

you don't behave right?

You've lost your kids.

That's already happening.

I mean, as I wrote in the City Journal piece, parents' custody is being threatened.

And social workers

and

therapists and doctors are literally going along with this idea that if you don't affirm your kid, you are committing an act of abuse and you are now an abusive parent, and the child should be taken from you.

We're seeing this being reported, and

I happen to know certain ongoing cases where parents can't yet come forward, but this is very much the issue.

There doesn't seem to be

any safe place to run, you know.

In America, we, for people who

still, I think, have common sense,

there doesn't seem

to be a safe place where you can go and go, oh, thank goodness.

There is no place.

So here's what I'll say.

There's no safe place, but there is safe people.

If we can realize that this is not a red-blue issue, okay?

This is not, oh, it's those crazy blue states.

This is everywhere.

And if we can come together, I truly believe this, if we can come together with Americans of all political stripes, parents, and there are across, most of the parents who reach out to me who are horrified are liberal.

Conservatives and liberals really need to come together on this and oppose the woke indoctrination of their children and the corruption of their kids with gender ideology.

So they really need to.

So how do we do it?

Because I know conservatives, and I don't care what anybody calls me, and I think there's a lot of people in the audience that feel the same way.

You've called me everything under the sun already.

How much worse could it get?

But there's a lot of people that we know the minute we say something, like you,

you're a transphobic, you're a Puritan, whatever it is.

So how do we approach this?

How do we bridge the gap with people that we don't necessarily always agree with?

Well, you know,

my advice is to just speak clearly and, you know, without being, you know,

offensive on purpose.

But

I don't mean go around offending people, but to speak clearly about your concerns.

It's something I've tried to do.

And

I certainly do not.

countenance bigotry, but this isn't about bigotry.

This is about the harm to young girls and young people and no adequate

oversight.

This is about common sense.

And if you just keep it in those terms, which really, really is where it belongs,

I think we could win on this.

So I'm afraid that so many things are like

are like CRT, where you can stand up against it and you think you won, but you haven't.

It's just morphed.

They will come out and tell you, and then they realize, oh, crap,

not everybody likes this.

And so then they'll...

They'll fight it for a while, then they'll start to claim, which they are on CRT, that's not even taught.

That's not even taught.

It's nowhere.

And as you say, it's in the curriculum.

It's just not where you think it is.

Right.

So there may be no hope for the public school system.

Let me just say that outright.

I don't know that there's any hope there.

Wait, that's a big statement.

Wow.

But we're, I mean, just to be honest, it's so thoroughly infiltrated.

You have teachers behaving like activists across the country who have no interest in actually teaching.

They believe their job is to remake your child.

We're seeing so much evidence of that.

I think it's fair to say that it may be too deeply rooted in the ideology being taught in public school.

I'm not sure.

I mean,

I'm not sure that the public school system is redeemable at this point.

I just, I don't know.

I think it's an open question.

I wonder how much of our society is redeemable.

I mean, it feels like we, you know, I hate to use this phrase because it's something that is actually not good, but it feels like we do need a reset.

I mean,

except

on values.

And I think we're getting a reset right now that is taking us into very dark, dark, dark places.

That, you know, if we don't come together and say, I'm out, I'm out of that.

It's going to be a lot of people.

That's right.

Go ahead.

I think we could have a reset in lots parts of the country.

I'm not sure the public school.

I think the public school system is going to lag behind

and continue with this ideology for quite some time.

But I do think that parents are waking up every day across the political spectrum to what's being done to their children, how their minds are being warped.

But that will be, if we give up on the public school, that will leave trapped a lot of people in the public school.

And then we are balkanized.

Then we...

I mean, I'm already having a hard time saying, wait a minute, you believe, you really believe there's 99 genders?

Where did that come from?

I'm already having a hard time understanding the other side, and the other side is having a hard time understanding me.

We pull our kids out of the public school.

What happens to the rest of America that can't pull their kid out of public school?

Well, if enough of us pull our kids out of public school, I think they'll feel the pressure to compete with the schools that are actually attracting better families and better students.

They're going to say, wow, all of this wokeness didn't do us very much good.

I think they did.

They just did this in Missouri, and I was

just had to laugh at the teachers' union.

They said, you know, they don't care about your kids at all.

They just want to make money, these private

institutions where there's no accountability.

And I'm like, where's the accountability in a public school right now?

Where is the public accountability um

let's change and talk a little bit about the freedom of speech aspect sure um i just did a show last night about covid and

i talked about the different theories on lab or if it was natural and we don't have an answer yet but we have

we have

people trying to tell us now that you can't even ask the question.

Can you talk a little bit about censorship and

why it is so important to have a diverse set of views, especially on something like this?

Well,

obviously,

we're never going to be able to get transgender people proper care, and we're never going to be able to get our teenage girls proper care unless we can openly discuss risks.

And right now we can't.

If we can't openly discuss medical protocols, they will never improve.

So

when are we going to see the results of these girls that are

having the surgery and getting the hormones now?

When do we start to see the backlash of that?

Well, we're already seeing, if you go on YouTube, thousands of young women coming forward and saying, you know, this gender was not my problem.

I regret what was done to me.

I can't believe there was inadequate oversight for this.

What, you know, why did everyone push me to this?

We're seeing that already.

I would just say that, you know, people have this misguided idea that the threats to free speech can only come from the government.

And I think we thought that for a long time because we couldn't imagine corporations that were vastly more powerful than the government.

But that's what we have now.

Yeah.

I think the

corporations, I've always been, I've always hated those who are like, you know, I work for the corporation and you're watching the movie and you're like, oh, geez, and the government's turned into a corporation.

I've always hated that.

But it's right.

It's what has happened to us.

I mean, it's crazy because Liberals were the ones who kept saying that.

They put it in all the movies and everything else.

They kept saying that.

And now they're the ones standing behind the corporations and the people that are on my side of the aisle who have always been for the freedom of, you know, the entrepreneur and the business.

We're now going, wait, it's turned into exactly the dystopian future you warned us about.

How come you can't see that?

To be honest, though, I think a lot of conservatives are afraid to go after these big tech corporations, frankly.

They say, oh,

you know,

maybe Amazon or any of these huge multinationals is entitled to carry whatever it wants and we can never have anything to say to it.

If Twitter wants to kick off the president, maybe Twitter's entitled to do that.

I believe in free markets.

What they don't...

I think what they fail to grasp is that when you have booksellers

that control the vast majority of books in this country, and in fact,

has a profound impact on whether books will ever get published.

They're no longer just a local bookshop and they no longer should be able to just delete a book.

So what's going to happen with you now?

Where are you headed?

What do you, I mean, what is in store for you?

Well, I'm hoping to return to write another book about this generation because I'm, in Gen Z, those born 1995 and after are very, you know, they're in a lot of pain, they're in a lot of distress, and they're really interesting to me.

So, I, you know, my plan is to write another book about them.

I will tell you, I don't think, I mean, I think this is the greatest experiment

on humans that has ever been conducted.

We are introducing them to technology that none of us have any idea what the long-term effects are going to be.

We're getting an idea now.

With COVID, we're just putting our kids away.

We're seeing the suicide rates and the drug use

go through the roof.

I can't imagine growing up in today's society

how that would affect me 25 years down the road.

Yeah,

if we don't really start taking some serious action, I think

these kids are in bad shape.

They're in big trouble.

And some of that action does have to be parents putting limits on things like smartphones.

Yeah.

I think you're right.

I mean, you know about the algorithm that Google worked on a year ago.

And I think Facebook just implemented it to where they are looking at your text, your tweets, everything else to see what you believe.

And if you believe something that is not in line with the woke community, you're going to start getting propaganda.

They're going to start filling your newsfeed.

Yes, and that's the next thing I was going to say, which is that, frankly, we're all quite addicted to this stuff.

I include myself in that.

And a lot of this technology is turning out to be quite dangerous for us in a whole bunch of ways, including the division it's created among us.

So we really are going to have to push back on

the way tech

has been really pushing us around for far too long.

Yeah.

I don't know if you're religious at all, but

I think of the Tower of Babel story a lot

because it's not a tale of

people going bad.

It's a tale of the people at the very top going bad and making everybody the same, making them into bricks.

You got to toe the line, you got to be exactly like that, and we can do anything

if we look at all of the society and everybody's a brick.

and it was and God came down and confused their language and I thought you know the problem here is is our language is ones and zeros and it would be helpful if it was confused you know and I've never ever felt that way about technology but I it is starting to be a little overwhelming

in its size and scope and power.

I mean, I think at the very least,

there are many things that the government should push back on.

But one of them is if these carriers are carrying private messages between people, they have begun to, as you just said,

edit and censor our private

messages.

They really, if they are acting like the phone company, they shouldn't be listening to our calls.

Exactly right.

Abigail, thank you so much.

We'll keep you in our prayers and thank you for having

the brains to navigate through and the cojones to actually continue standing and saying, I'm going to keep going.

Good for you.

Thank you so much.

God bless you.

You bet.

Thanks.

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