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Really surprising development yesterday.

All of a sudden, because I didn't know this was

in progress court-wise, Bill Cosby had his conviction overturned by the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, and he left prison yesterday.

Yeah.

Bang.

Just like that.

He's out and free.

That was wild.

Really something.

A lot of times you hear these cases get overturned and then they wind through the court for another six months.

Right.

Right.

Nope.

They've been overturned, and that day he's leaving.

Yeah, you're free to go.

See ya.

Not even like the,

you know, you're under probation,

nothing.

He's just home ready to.

Now, I don't know that he's going to leave the house all that much,

but I don't think.

I don't think he's quite as popular as he was

in the late 80s.

There's been a slight falloff from the Cosby show years.

I don't know if people have sensed that.

If you don't monitor the entertainment industry closely, you might not have sensed that.

But there's been a slight falloff in his popularity from the most popular and beloved figure in all of America to

the

not so much to rapist

serial rapist, really.

Yeah, and that's not necessarily the move you want for your career.

Now, he's always maintained his innocence, and that's why he said

he said during his prison sentence that he's probably going to serve the full 10 years because he's never going to admit what he did.

And that was part of the, apparently part of the process to be released in three years instead of 10 was

he had to admit it.

Admit that he did it.

And he wasn't going to.

In fact, not only was he not going to admit to any wrongdoing whatsoever, he wouldn't attend their sexual predator class either.

He wouldn't do the therapy.

And he just flat out refused.

So he would have

not

conforming to the conditions of early release, he wouldn't have been released early.

Yeah, he would have been there for 10 years.

10 years.

Probably dies in prison.

Probably.

Probably dies in prison.

Now, it was a very strange day with that case in that you don't expect a guy at that high profile level to just be released and go home the same afternoon.

I mean, it was a very strange development.

But when you really look at this case,

and this has been true the entire time.

It really was, in my view, a miscarriage of justice.

Really?

Yes.

And I know.

I didn't follow it that closely.

I think a lot of people did what

most people would do, which is to look at, okay, look, wait a minute.

He did what?

You get the quotes that you hear.

Yes, I got Kway Ludes and I was drugging women or whatever.

He didn't quite say it that, but that's how it's portrayed every time.

And you look at

his fall from grace.

The fact that he's been beat up by everybody.

No one likes him anymore.

There's really no defenders of him.

Except Felicia Rashad.

which is she has been the lone defender of this guy.

In fact, she said, finally,

justice has been served or whatever she said yesterday.

She was the one person who tweeted something good about him.

Yes, that's true.

He does have that one defender.

And she's the one, by the way, who played his wife on the Cosby show.

Claire Huxtable, was it?

Yeah.

That's been a while.

It's been a while.

So stepping back for a second, did Bill Cosby do these things to these women?

I don't know.

I wasn't there.

Seems to be a lot of women who are accusing him.

Like, obviously, you can't just make it about that.

He definitely said some things in the

transcript of the trial for the civil case that would lead you to believe he was certainly not a good guy and maybe very well did some terrible things to the women.

So let's just assume for a second he did these things.

100% we know mentally that he did these things.

He still should not have gone to prison.

And here's the thing.

If you go back and look at how this progressed, basically this woman accused Bill Cosby of these terrible things.

He said he didn't do it.

He denied it.

And they were going to bring him to criminal trial.

The prosecutor at the time, or the DA at the time, says, okay, I'm looking at the evidence here.

We have nothing except she's saying it.

right?

She's saying it, and he's saying that it didn't happen.

No physical evidence.

This happens all the time in these types of cases.

This is why, by the way, if something, God forbid, something like this happens to you, go immediately to the authorities so they can get as much physical evidence as possible and circumstantial evidence as possible.

Because once you let a few years go by, it's impossible to look at these things unless you have the person admitting it.

And there were way more than a few years.

Right.

Yeah.

And in a lot of these cases, it was decades and decades and decades.

Yeah.

So

the DA says, okay, well, I'm looking at the evidence here.

There's no way we're going to get him convicted in a criminal suit.

There's no way.

Because he's just going to say Fifth Amendment right

to not have to testify.

And they're just going to throw it out of court.

So

their solution to that was to say, hey,

Bill,

what if we give you immunity in this case in exchange?

for you to testify in the civil case, to give some answers to these questions.

So you'll be guaranteed you will not be convicted and and go to prison if you give

actually tell your story and answer these questions.

So he, they think about it, you know, if, now look, if you're totally innocent, do you just say, screw it, I'm going to court anyway?

Maybe, but you're taking a huge risk, right?

So in his telling of the story, he said, well, look, I'm, I can get right, get rid of the possibility of going to prison.

And the worst case is I'll have to go and I'll defend myself in this, in this case, and I might lose some money in a civil case, right?

So that happens.

They go through.

They wind up settling the civil case eventually.

He pays a few million dollars.

This testimony is sealed, guaranteed to be sealed and guaranteed that he cannot be convicted of this crime and go to prison.

That DA leaves.

The new one comes in and says, you know what?

The thing is.

When we made that deal, there wasn't this comedian that went viral about the case.

So let's reopen it and just forget all the stuff we told him before.

Instead, we'll just say, you know what, we can use all that testimony that had to be sealed.

And you know what?

You can be convicted for it.

Sorry.

And so they just redid it all, totally against what had been guaranteed to him this entire time.

It goes through the process.

He obviously, now they have the testimony of him saying the Kwaluds thing and all of these other things.

So he looks much, much worse than he would have looked initially.

They just tricked him and overturned their own promise.

That's crazy.

And that is absolutely not our legal system.

I'm sorry, like as bad as this guy may be, he may very well be a serial rapist.

But just like everyone else in this country, you get rights in the legal system, and the government cannot continually screw you and tell you one thing and do the other.

Did he admit to all those things in the civil trial?

He didn't admit to them.

So he said things like, you know, I bought Kwalud.

Did you ever buy Kwaludes to be with women?

Yes.

Did you ever, what was your intent when you bought the Kwaludes?

Were you wanting to have sex with these women?

Yes.

Now, when they asked him, did you have sex with them without, you know, when they were asleep or against their will?

He says no.

So basically, again, I'm not saying I believe his case, but his case.

So he gave him Qualudes just to relax him, get him in the mood.

Yeah,

his case was basically like, you know, in this, you know, whenever you're in the...

It's an average.

That's all the Kwaludes are.

Take Kwaludes because no one uses Kwaludes anymore.

It's not even a thing.

Oh, it sounds like Louisiana.

You should ask Jeffy in here because he'd be able to see the 60s or 70s.

But his point, this was his point.

The 60s and 70s, Qualutes were like wine.

Again, I'm not, again, I don't agree with his point.

But his point is like, basically, I bought a case of beer.

to drink with a woman, and then in my hopes, I was going to sleep with her.

That was kind of what his point was in these moments.

Of course, Quailudes now are much more associated with drugging of women.

And that is, by the way, their accusation, that he was slipping the Kwalutes into drinks or whatever.

They would drink them and

they would fall asleep and then he would have his way with them.

He completely denies that.

We don't know the truth here.

There's so many accusations.

It's easy to believe that it is true.

However,

they basically went to Bill Cosby and said, hey.

We're not going to pursue any prosecution.

You will have immunity in this case.

In exchange for that, you have to abandon your Fifth Amendment right to be able to not answer these questions.

Your constitutional right's gone because you cannot be convicted.

So you have to answer these questions.

And so they used that against him in the criminal trial?

Yeah.

They brought all of the information they got from the civil trial and said, okay, now you can be convicted and we can use this information.

I mean, that is completely insane.

There's not a lot of people are going to be sympathetic, though.

And that's true.

He clearly did something.

Yes.

In the eyes of the American people, he did something wrong.

And I think in a way,

this is a positive development for our legal system because we have decided as a country to start doing justice via social media, via documentary.

You know, like they came out with a documentary against this person.

We now know they're evil and they never get to do anything in society again.

And when we have an actual legal system that's supposed to go through this stuff, and just because, like, it seems like people were like, well,

Bill Cosby, we all think he's bad.

He's really bad.

In fact, it looks like he did some really, really bad stuff.

And we don't like him.

And this is different than a normal person because we really

don't like him.

And he made us like him before.

And so now we don't.

So

we're done by that.

Yeah, we feel burned by that.

So we're just going to, you know, the whole legal system.

What if we don't do that for now and just instead focus on the fact that we really don't like him?

Yeah, you know, like, what if we overturn all these rules and laws because Bill Cosby's really bad?

And look at all these tweets.

Have you seen the Hannibal comedy session on him?

It's really funny.

People, look at all the views on YouTube.

Maybe he should be convicted.

That's not justice.

It's not the way this system works.

And even when it benefits the worst people among us,

those rules still get to be applied.

And the other interesting aspect of this, he was admitting to all of this stuff with his wife in tow, with his wife hearing it all.

What's supporting him?

What's sticking with him?

Supporting him the whole time.

She's still with him.

Yeah, still with him.

What kind of weird arrangement did they have?

I don't know.

Because it was.

Oh, that's something.

There was never a point where he was like, I didn't cheat on my wife.

What are you talking about?

No.

I mean, there may have been a point, but that point is lost.

Yeah, not during

the case and not during the trial and not during any interviews did he ever say, and she sat there right by him a few times in interviews and they talked about this stuff.

It was really amazing.

And it's one of those things.

There's a million accusations.

It was a known secret in Hollywood for a long time.

There are people who, you know, I was talking to somebody who went to Temple recently, and he was like, you know, everybody, everybody, it was like a known secret around there.

Like he would always be down, like having his arms around the young girls.

He was, it was, it was, it was just a thing, you know, and, but that's, that's neither here nor there when you're talking about putting someone in prison.

Yeah.

Like you can have all the beliefs you want about somebody, but you can't, you can't throw them in prison.

And I do feel like there's this thing that's happening in our society right now where we, if enough social media pressure exists, it's just okay to break the rules to punish that person.

It's just okay.

You know, sure, you might have, like, you might have

the right to be, to, to not be in prison, but we don't like you.

It does seem to be almost the long and the short of it.

Like, there's a lot of accusations against you.

We have no evidence to put you in prison.

However, you should go to prison because look at all these freaking retweets.

Yeah.

That's not America.

Going to the First Amendment, Pat.

Everyone always says it.

The speech the First Amendment protects is the speech people hate because it's not everybody who says nice things to each other.

No one's trying to censor Hallmark greeting cards.

It's the stuff that you don't want to hear.

It's the stuff that's difficult to hear.

That's what it's there to protect.

It's supposed to be there to protect the worst people in society.

And I think that may very well be the case here.

But the fact that that still stands in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court, because

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we're talking about Britney Spears

Tied the Bill Cosby situation too, which is incredible.

He's now a free man.

Conviction overturned.

can't be tried again.

So he's free now for the rest of his life.

Well, unless he rapes again or does something illegal again and gets caught for it.

But Brittany Spears lost her bid to get out of her

conservatorship with her

father yesterday.

And it just seems

bizarre to me that a 39-year-old woman can't run her own life if she's not a danger to herself or others.

And, you know, we were talking during the break.

Maybe she she is, and we just haven't heard.

Maybe we just don't know all the facts.

That is the one thing that should cause a little bit of hesitation with this because if it is, if the situation is as it's been presented in the media,

it's absolute injustice, right?

If she's just like, maybe she's got some issues.

She's un-American.

But so many un-American things are happening right now.

It's like, oh, okay, well, here's another one.

I will say very well may be exactly what we think it is on the surface.

Maybe it is completely un-American and completely out of control.

It's very possible that's just the truth.

I mean, we have a background of information on this, right?

Where

the parent of a child star wants to take in their millions and is dedicated to basically ruining their life in that pursuit.

We certainly have plenty of evidence on that from other cases.

The only thing I would hesitate, and I don't know the laws in California per se, but I will say, you know, having to go through

some stuff recently

in regards to people, you know, with mental health issues and seeing people try to handle those issues,

it's not like you walk in to a courtroom and say, I'd like a conservatorship over that person.

Can I have one?

And they're like, oh, yeah, sure.

Here.

Here's the paperwork.

Like, this is like...

It's not easy.

It's hard to get to conservators.

And so the question is, like, people are like, well, I can't believe that her dad would say she's forced to take an IUD and she's, every one of her dance moves goes through her dad.

Stop for a second and think,

what if he didn't do that?

Just what if

everything she said was completely made up?

What if every one of her claims exists in her mind as reality?

But is not reality.

That's what mental, severe mental health looks like.

Yeah.

And so we don't know, for example, you know, I'm just this, I don't have information on this, but just throwing this out there.

Like, did Britney Spears try to commit suicide eight times?

I don't know.

I'm not saying that the court does know it, though.

And so they might be dealing with a completely different set of information.

Very true.

And like, I will say some of the claims, you know,

that she was making, I read her testimony where she made all these claims.

And they sounded sounded familiar from other people I've heard going through these situations.

Like people who have gone through and said, you know, there's like a new accusation every day.

There's a new sort of like

thing you've never heard of.

And they're very often crazy scenarios that are shocking to hear.

But when you investigate them with someone dealing with severe mental health issues, a lot of times what you find out is they just

made it up.

You know, I mean, as crazy as it sounds, and it may not be Britney Spears.

I'm not defending the dad.

I don't know enough about the situation.

I just think that when we look at it, we have to understand that these situations a lot of times are a lot more complicated.

Like I've seen, you know, cases where, you know, something will happen, a dramatic event will happen to a family member.

And, you know, someone dealing with mental health issues will hear about that event and then adopt it into their own life.

They'll all of a sudden start telling people it happened to them instead of the other family member because it's just like the brain is just, you know, it's just not working.

It's just not working anymore.

And it's really sad and hard to deal with.

And if you think about yourself as a dad, if your daughter is going through something like this, you're going to do what you can to try to protect them.

Now,

given that it's Hollywood, given that we're millions of dollars on the line, given that she is seemingly coherent enough to come out and speak and

do some basic things, it does appear that change should be made in some way.

But I would just, you got to,

there's a reason I think you need to at least have hesitation to believe like this is the ultimate injustice open and shut case.

The court knows a lot more about this than any of us do.

And if she really has been a danger to herself, or if she's, you know, if she's a person who is incapable of sort of like landing in reality and that, you know, every time she has a dealing with someone else,

she can't keep track of what is real and what is not.

That's a basic thing we all need to have.

At times, it feels like when you listen to the media, you listen to the government.

It doesn't feel like anybody has it anymore.

But like, you need to be able to say, hey, last week I went to Arby's and got a roast beef sandwich and a curly fries.

Like, all of us, when we would say that, we would know we were at that Arby's.

What if you weren't at the Arby's?

What if you never went and got the curly fries?

A lot of, there are people who go through severe mental illness where they can't decipher the difference between what is real and what is not.

And to get a conservatorship over

a celebrity with millions of dollars of legal backing behind them.

And millions of supporters.

Yeah.

That is very young to get a conservatorship at all.

I would argue, at least from my understanding of it, it is incredibly difficult to do.

And when you look back to, when you remember what was going on in 2008 with her,

she was going through some things.

Very public meltdown.

Yeah.

She had some meltdowns and she shaved her head and stuff.

But

I mean, you can shave

if you want to.

If that's all it is.

But she melted down.

And I think there were bigger issues than shaving shaving her head.

Right.

And so

that's how the conservative ship started in the first place.

So there were things going on.

She was doing weird things.

She was

saying weird things.

She was acting erratically.

And that's how she lost control of her financial life.

Yes.

And the legal system should err on the side of freedom.

Right.

So if she's even close to being able to deal with anything in her life, even if she is a disaster, even if she's a person who's going to go out and take the second she's free, go to a casino with all of her money and bet it all and lose it all, even that, she should still be free.

Like that, that is, she should be able to do what she wants to do.

But

it may be more significant than that.

And we should remember that everything that she said in her hearing should not be taken as truth.

You know, that's true.

You know, it is really important that if she's at all capable of handling her life, she should be able to handle her life.

And even if she's incapable of it, you know, even if there's a lot of people who, I mean, there's people I know who are, you know, in this building who work here.

I mean, Jeffy should not be able to allow to handle his life.

How many times have we argued that he should not be able to be around his children?

Many times.

Us.

You're should not be allowed in the building.

Right.

Right.

You know, but I mean, no one's going to want a conservatorship for Jeffy.

Nobody's going to want it.

Nobody wants to try to untangle that mess.

No.

No.

No.

No thank you.

Not even Britney's dad

intervene and make that one work out.

It's like the reverse bit, Brittany.

You get the conservatorship and suddenly you owe millions of dollars.

And you're like, how did this happen?

But you know, so these, the legal system should always err on freedom.

So

likely, probably this should change.

But there is, there should be at least consideration

to the alternative.

Yeah,

I guess so, because it did seem like the judge was pretty solid in his ruling and pretty definitive that this needed to continue.

And then,

but somebody else joined in the...

She wanted some institution, some financial institution to be part of it.

And so now he's got to share that conservatorship with somebody else.

So maybe that'll make her life better.

I don't know.

But

it's going to continue for an indefinite amount of time.

I don't know how many times you can revisit that and try to

overcome the conservatorship, conservatorship.

I don't know how many times you can revisit that.

I don't know either.

And, you know, look,

if it's, that's the other thing that you could argue here is that let's just say it was a really bad situation.

Most people probably are unable to do what she's done here, right?

You can't, it's hard to come up with the legal, you don't have the resources to mount a legal challenge against it.

You also don't have the public support to go through something like that.

Nobody cares, right?

You're just wasting away in conservatorship land.

But

she has the resources to be able to challenge it in ways that other people wouldn't.

Right.

So maybe, you know, in this world where it actually was a good decision to put her in a conservatorship, if you accept that for a second most people wouldn't be able to get out of it where she might be able to get out of it because she has those resources so are the resources helping overturn a situation that was appropriate is the other way to look at it right and again i don't i don't know but it is one of those situations it it does feel like in a similar way with the cosby thing where

social media documentaries We do justice by documentary now.

The New York Times released a documentary that said Brittany had really unfair treatment of her when she was younger, and there's some convincing evidence to that.

So

we now kind of, everyone's on that side of things.

And we now kind of look at this and say, all right, well, that's the way it is.

Maybe it may not be the way it is.

Yeah.

It might not.

Yeah.

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We're filling in for Glenn here for a few days as he's on vacation far away from here.

And he's missing out on some big things.

Like we were going to have a January 6th commission after all.

Bad.

Yay!

Far too exciting.

Yay!

Yeah, that'll be great, won't won't it?

Yeah, it's going to be really exciting.

Now, this one's done by the Democrats in Congress.

So it's not this.

They were initially going for this special commission, a bipartisan variety.

That's not going to happen.

Republicans did not get on board with that, and for good reason, in that it obviously was not an honest attempt to get the information needed.

I am of the

thought that there is information we can get from a commission looking into this if it was honest.

This one isn't going to be honest, but I would like to know.

There's certainly questions, like, why the hell was the security so bad at the Capitol?

Why was this possible?

I mean, think about this for a second.

Yeah, this was a, you know, there was a mob, a lot of people.

There were some people who were pretty bad in the mob, a lot of people who were just, you know, there for the speech and didn't do much of anything.

What if it was a foreign group?

of terrorists that decided to do this.

What if, yeah, and remember, this is an announced rally down the street where they knew it was a contentious time.

They knew that a lot of these people obviously believe what was going on in the Capitol was very bad, and they didn't prepare for it really at all.

What would happen if a foreign terrorist group did try to go in and kill a bunch of our representatives?

I don't know.

Like that's the type of...

It seems like a bad thing.

A really bad thing.

And if we had an honest government and people who actually cared about the outcomes in these matters,

there would be reason to really look into this and get a report.

Why wasn't the National Guard out there in less than, what was it, four hours?

Why did that take four hours?

That's insanity.

So there are reasons to look at this.

It's just not going to happen with a commission like this.

I mean, you look at the New York Times put out a documentary yesterday for about 40 minutes on January 6th.

And, of course, obviously, you know the Times is coming.

You know the story they're telling.

I don't need to tell you in advance what story they're telling.

It was the worst event in American history.

Worst event in American history.

Now,

so they don't spend any time on the people who were not violent.

There was, you know,

I don't know how many people were at that particular rally, but thousands and thousands and thousands of people.

We've talked to many of them who were there and didn't even know any of this occurred.

There weren't any nonviolent people there, were there?

Yeah, shockingly there was.

Judging by all the piles of dead bodies, I wouldn't think there was a single nonviolent person.

I know.

It's shocking.

But a lot of people went to the Trump speech and went back to their cars.

Yeah.

Like, there's a lot of that.

And they, of course, don't show any of that.

And there are people who went to the Capitol and didn't go into the building.

There were also people who went to the Capitol, did go in the building, but didn't break anything or steal anything or hurt anybody.

Now, we do, because all of that, what you just said is true, we do at times forget that there was a lot.

I mean, there were a lot of people that were some bad things that happened.

Did do bad things.

Yeah.

It was an embarrassment.

Yeah.

I mean, 150 police officers were injured.

And, like, they have legit

the Times does this thing very well.

If you go back and look at, for example, they did the exact same thing for the Las Vegas shooting.

And it's really a legitimately incredible thing to watch.

They have a zillion videos.

They kind of place them on a map.

So you know exactly where they happen.

This person was driving by this building.

You hear the shots going over their head.

You get views from, I mean, really, when they do like actual journalism, you can get some value out of the New York Times occasionally.

This one is obviously much more partisan than the Las Vegas shooting was, but they do have a lot of video, and there are legitimately bad people, you know, bashing police officers over the head with stuff.

That doesn't mean that they died, but still, like, I'm never, I don't give a crap about partisan nonsense when it comes to...

If you're a person that hits a police officer over the head with something, screw you.

Yeah,

you need to be punished.

Yeah, I've had officers in my family.

These people risk their lives for us every day.

The same way that I don't care what you think about the George Floyd case, don't throw a brick at a police officer.

I will stand by that till the day I freaking die.

The same thing with January 6th.

If you had a Trump flag poll and were bashing police officers over the head with it, screw you.

Honestly,

I don't.

It was not nothing.

That being said, what are they going to find in this report?

What are they going to do here?

You know, it's that, was it an insurrection, some calculated attempt to

actually take over the government?

Were there,

they have messages and they have a lot of people saying those types of things.

So it was not no one in the crowd.

It was not zero people in the crowd who were thinking that way.

There were some, but it was an overwhelming minority of, and almost all of these people were unarmed.

How the hell did they think they were going to actually take control of the government?

Right.

Like, it was a riot.

The right way to say this is it was a riot.

It was unacceptable, but it was not what the Democrats are saying it was.

They are trying to make every grandmother who was in 300 miles of this thing and voted for Donald Trump into a criminal.

It's insane.

And

while

the events of the day

might lead you to say, hey, maybe we should be prepared for this next time, and maybe we should take an honest view and look at how we can do that.

Because obviously, the way we're doing it now does not work.

That would be

something that a commission might,

a serious country with serious people and a serious government might look into and say, hey,

here are the steps we should take next time.

Instead, they're just going to make this into a way to try to make January 6th into a date you remember like 9-11, right?

It was the worst thing that ever happened to us.

And despite the fact that

the business of the government continued on the same day, also January 6th, kind of indicating maybe it wasn't, you know, Pearl Harbor.

or 9-11.

It was a bad day, but it was not what they're trying to make it out to be.

They want to make that out to be the only thing that's happened.

And I would be, I think that was a really legitimate request by Republicans who said, look, we'll do your bipartisan commission.

It's great.

But we're going to do it.

And we're also going to look at the violence that happened over the summer when billions of dollars of damage were done.

When way more people were killed.

Far more death occurred in those riots than the one that happened on January 6th.

Far bigger loss of property.

Yeah.

Much more damage.

Yeah.

Property.

People died all over the place.

And there were federal buildings

that were attacked.

It was government stuff as well as just property as they try to demean, you know, someone's life's work

and their local business.

Of American cities actually taken over by mobs.

Yeah.

By mobs.

And they act as if that should be investigated too.

I would like to know what is the truth there?

What, what, you know, what groups, where did they get the money

what they were doing?

How about the money that was raised by one of the people serving in the administration who was tweeting out links to bail the criminals out of jail?

Huh?

Why was that?

Who would do that?

How was that set up?

Kamala Harris.

Who would set up?

Kamala Harris.

Who would do that?

Not Kamala Harris.

Kamala Harris?

What?

Why would you say Kamala Harris?

Oh, she's laughing.

I can't believe it.

I would like to know that.

I think that's part of this.

Yes, right?

It's part of political violence

in the same time frame totally reasonable and it's to look into that yeah and it's instead it's it's they're they're oh how dare you yeah there's they're seen as totally different events and you know what the real truth of this is at least in in large extent i think

the truth of the reason why they weren't prepared for january 6th is because they had seen 9 billion conservative leading rallies not go awry.

And they probably thought,

you know what?

Yep.

There's always people who were saying stuff like this.

You can always find somebody online who says, we need to take, that's our house.

Let's take back our house.

All right.

We've seen this a zillion times.

The bottom line is these rallies have occurred all over the country for a really long time.

And there's never been a problem like this.

And there's never been a problem like this.

So they probably thought they were going to be fine.

And in reality, you can't.

Sit, you have to be able to be prepared for these situations in the off chance they do occur.

But when the left marches, these things go awry all the time.

And so you need to prepare for everybody like you prepare for the left, I guess.

Yeah.

But there's no answers in a commission like this.

There's just not going to be any.

And, you know, they put Liz Cheney is going to be on the commission.

She's accepted the invitation from Pelosi.

I'm not going to win her any friends in the Republican Party, obviously.

They're saying they're going to strip.

her

committee assignments over it.

So, I mean, they're going to claim it's a bipartisan thing because Liz Cheney's on there.

And obviously, Liz Cheney has her mind made up on this one, and that's fine.

She has a right to her opinion, but

we can't act as if this is some bipartisan fair commission.

It's not going to be.

It's just going to be a way to make January 6th into the only thing you're supposed to think about and the only thing you're supposed to vote on and the only thing that's supposed to influence you.

And obviously that's not the right way to think about our country right now.

We've got a lot of problems going on and ongoing Trump-related riots at the Capitol are not one of them.

That's not something that's

just not going on.

You know,

that was one one-off event, I think, in our history.

Well, and they acted like it was going to happen again and again and again.

What was the next date that there was supposed to be?

Was it March 4th?

You had January 20th.

You had the actual inauguration.

You had one date in March.

That's right.

Then 4th or something, 6th or whatever.

And nothing ever happened.

And I don't think anything was ever being planned

because it never came off.

You know, a lot of this comes back to the way you get to retroactively look at things like social media.

You know, if something goes awry, yeah, you can go back and look at people who were talking tough.

Everybody talks tough online.

I'm tired of it, but that's what everybody does.

Yeah.

You know, everybody's saying all these things and then everybody says they're going to, you know, look at the left.

You're telling me you can't, every time we look, we're able to find hundreds of people who say they're going to go burn down buildings and take over the government and, you know, assassinate public figures it's all over the internet so after something happens you can retroactively go back and prove any case you want but in reality these things are always out there in a in a society that values free speech and all you can do is try to prepare yourself in case something bad does happen

You know, yes, you can always,

I mean, think about if you went back to the days of like the 90s and there was real social media back then, like what would Timothy McVay have on his Facebook page?

You'd be able to go back and say, this guy was saying this stuff on his Facebook page over and over again.

And, you know, we're in a different era.

You can always go back and find people who say bad things.

You know, and look, the people who did those things, particularly to the officers, should be.

You should go after them.

I have no problem with throwing the book at those people.

But, you know, what they're trying to do with this event is just,

it's kind of like left-wing fan fiction.

You know, they're just trying to make this into this thing that it isn't.

It was a day that we should know and we should make sure the people

who are responsible for those bad things are prosecuted for them.

But, like, let's be honest about it for a second here.

And there's no ability to do that in the media.