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Welcome to the podcast.

Today, Today we talk a little about, we got a bunch of stuff going on today.

Is it the end of the Me Too movement?

They may have reached the logical conclusion here.

We have a guy talking about UFOs and this report that has just come out from the government, Tucker Carlson, who is talking about being spied on about the

NSA, by the NSA, excuse me.

We're going to go into his story and talk to someone, Cheryl Atkinson who's also dealt with a similar type of thing.

And we talk about Glenn's new escapade.

He's got a vacation coming up and he's doing a car show.

We will tell you where it is, and we will make fun of his car, which is actually really cool, but I don't want to tell him that.

So here's the podcast.

You're listening to

the best of the Glenbeck program.

Man,

the FBI and their race team racing into action.

My gosh, they are just solving crimes and protecting the American people like nobody's business.

Yes,

they have finally tracked down

the notorious

Louise Lynn McNichol, or is it just Lois?

I think it may be Lois.

Lois McNickell.

Oh, man, when you hear the name Lois, don't you think just young activist, right?

Well, apparently, Lois, the 69-year-old grandmother from Los Angeles, was arrested yesterday and charged in connection to the January 6th breach of the U.S.

Capitol.

Now, Lois, 69 years old, Lois and her gang, Adeline, Myrtle, and Clara.

are just radical insurrectionists.

And

Beatrice, don't even get me started on Beatrice.

You know what I'm saying?

These people are out of control.

You know what they did, right?

Butt sheep.

You know what they did?

What?

Myrtle and the clan?

Yeah, Myrtle and Lois both

entered the Capitol.

Yeah, but they did it, and Olive had the intent to walk around.

And when you've got Myrtle, Lois, Olive, Esther, Mabel,

Gertrude, you know, Vera, Gertrude, Gertrude.

Wait, wait, maybe we shouldn't walk around.

But Myrtle said, no, we're walking around.

Yeah.

And we're going to do it for

10 minutes.

10 minutes.

But Olive was like, my hip hurts.

And Myrtle was saying to Adeline, Adeline, I know you just have all those gastrinal and intestinal problems, but we got to walk.

We got to keep you walking.

And that says nothing about what Agnes was doing this entire time, by the way.

Well, and Agnes.

Let's not forget.

Agnes battles with irritable bowel syndrome.

Right.

So she was in the bathroom for the entire time.

But inside the capital.

In the Capitol building.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's right.

Well, Hazel, Hazel was helping Myrtle because

Myrtle has a touch of dementia.

And And so Hazel is right there to say,

but this is a dangerous gang.

This is the second grandmother

in this FBI roundup to stop these dangerous insurrectionists.

And when I think of all of the

revolutions around the world that were started by unarmed grandmothers,

if I started down naming them, I wouldn't be finished until after July 4th.

Right?

24-7, I could just name Myrtle

Ethel.

It was Adeline that started, of course,

the revolution in France.

Why do you think they call it Myrtle Beach?

How do you think it was taken over?

Amen, brother.

They stormed the beaches.

Men.

Stormed the beaches.

A bunch of Myrtles stormed the beaches.

That's how that town started.

Not a lot of people know that.

Not a lot of people know that.

I couldn't sleep until last night after they put her away.

After they put Lois away.

Then I finally got my first good night's sleep since January 6th.

No, she's out on the streets.

She is out on the streets.

No.

Yeah.

She posted Bond.

Let me.

Oh, my God.

Yeah, let me.

No.

Listen, it's worse than that.

Oh, no.

49-year-old unarmed grandmother of five was presiding in Indiana.

I don't know where she was presiding.

But But anyway,

she was nailed for

the

breach, the insurrection in the U.S.

Capitol.

And she was the second now to be sentenced.

And

she could have faced time in prison, but she said that she was really sorry about what she did, that she said,

I didn't know I was breaking the law.

And, gosh, I wouldn't want to be involved.

now,

this is what people like Clara say all the time.

Gosh,

I certainly wouldn't have been in the Capitol doing something that I didn't think I was supposed to do.

These people make me sick.

So

she said, quote, I would have never been there, had a clue that it was going to turn out the way it did because it was never my intent being part of anything that's so disgraceful to the American people.

Wow.

Well, you would be, you would rest well like Stu and Pat if you didn't know that she's back on the streets today.

The attorney, no, the attorney had her read books like Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.

She also had to watch Netflix Mudbound and documentaries Slavery by Another Name and Tulsa Burning, the 1921 Race Massacre.

And

that was part of the deal deal that she could go free.

Hmm?

What?

I hadn't read that part of it.

Is that true?

They had her watch the Tulsa Riot thing?

Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.

Okay.

Netflix Mud Bound documentary Slavery by Another Name and Tulsa Burning the 1921 Race Massacre.

What did he talk about?

What did that do with anything?

What did that have to do with the January 6th incident?

Oh my gosh, Stu, I'm not going to be able to sleep at night knowing that Pat is free.

He's free to

gather now with Olive

and Hermina.

Oh, my gosh.

Well, we only brought him on the air today knowing that behind him, the forces are gathering to put him in prison.

He's not facing the door, so they can kind of walk in as a giant squad and arrest Pat and haul him off so that we can get good night's sleep because of his obvious support of the January 6th incident.

By the way, Pat, how many grandchildren do you have now?

How are they doing?

I have 10.

How are they doing?

I have 10.

You have 10 grandchildren.

10 grandchildren

makes him a danger already.

The day he gets a walker.

Look out, America.

Look out.

Now,

I want to just share with you.

Yesterday, the Secret Service had to arrest dozens of youth.

And

it's no problem.

These guys,

500 people, blockaded, or blocked every entrance to the White House.

They demanded a fully funded civilian climate corps be put back into the infrastructure bill.

They marched to the White House, blocked the entrances, send a message to Biden that no climate, no deal.

They want that human infrastructure in there, the free college, free universal child care.

And

AOC was there.

She was among the attendees telling the crowd that politicians can't break this promise to us anymore.

They're setting up a world where they don't have to live in it.

That's why this matters.

That's why we fight.

And as a result of your hard work, we have folks in the Senate.

We have folks in the House, not just me, not just like they say, a tiny group of the squad.

We have a critical mass of people saying, no climate, no deal.

So they were arrested.

Some of those were arrested, but

they were just given a glass of warm milk and sent home.

Their parents were called and they said, hey, we appreciate the activism that these kids are learning in school, and we're proud of them.

So they'll probably be back.

And you know, it's weird.

This is a Soros group.

This is the Sunrise Movement.

And the Sunrise Movement is a radical environmentalist group funded by George Soros.

Now,

what did Ethel and Lois and Myrtle and Olive do, Pat?

I mean, really, what did they do?

What was the worst thing that you remember from ⁇ I mean, besides, you know, people being shot, you know, not the people that were protesting.

Well, they were the ones shot, but the ones doing the shooting were the

Capitol Police.

One of the worst images that I saw was they took over Nancy Pelosi's office.

Yes.

With her feet up on the desk.

Right.

Right, right.

Really disgraceful.

Not an insurrection, but really disgraceful.

Yes.

You know, it's weird.

The Sunrise Movement,

November 30th, 2018,

51 people

took her office.

and

camped out in her office.

And 51 people were arrested from the Sunrise Movement doing the same thing,

which is

weird that we haven't really heard of that.

Yeah, that didn't seem like a day that almost ended our democracy, did it?

Nobody's saying that, was it

November of 2018, our democracy nearly came to an end and we don't even talk about it

because the exact same thing happened

on that day in Nancy Pelosi's office.

Of course, I don't know that anybody carried her podium out of

the house.

We're exaggerating a little here.

I don't think any of the Loises did the really bad things that happened in the Capitol.

I mean, look, there's video of people assaulting police officers, and that is never going to be okay.

But there are a lot of people who, I mean, look, but why aren't they leading with this?

Why are they arresting and harassing the grandmothers?

Right.

It's ridiculous.

Yeah.

Look, if this is all they have, right, if at the end of the day, they're not arresting the people, and there were some.

It was a minority of the crowd, though.

And this always gets left out.

It's a small minority of the crowd who did the really bad things there.

There were people who just sort of wandered in, should have known better, probably,

but generally, they were not

insurrectionists.

It's the dumbest thing in the world to refer to the overwhelming majority of the people who were there as insurrectionists.

It's insanity.

I mean, I think I talked to you, Glenn, about this.

It may have been off the air, but I listened to an interview with a socialist,

a socialist writer, and they were like, you know, guys, we should probably not call this an insurrection because, you know, the next time we do it, they're going to call it an insurrection.

Like, this was just a riot, is what he said.

And I think that's a fair description of as to what you saw.

It was a damaging riot.

It was bad.

You know, there are a lot of people who do deserve to be punished because of it.

But, you know, there's also a bunch of grandmothers who wandered in there for four minutes.

And you can't, it does seem like they're leading with those arrests.

Maybe they're the easy ones.

Maybe those are the people who are confessing.

I don't know.

But it does seem to be going about it backwards as far as priority should go.

Well, the judge said he didn't want to send the signal that everybody was going to get probation.

Just that Lois and the other grandmother, they came in and said, Well, I would have never had anything to do with it.

It was like that.

And read those books and watched the documentaries.

So

not everybody's going to get that soft treatment.

I'll tell you that right now.

I hate to do this again because we've already done this on the air.

But are you really telling me they asked her to watch a Netflix documentary?

Yeah.

Like that's a real part of the story.

You're not part of it.

I really don't believe me.

No, it's incredible.

Hang on.

Let me get this story.

This has to be a joke.

This has to be a joke.

Nope.

Here it is.

The unarmed grandmother, blah, blah, blah.

Capitol building.

She was there for 10 minutes, according to the court documents.

She made an agreement

that said that she was wrong.

She was ashamed of the savage display of violence that day.

I would have never been there, blah, blah, blah.

The attorney bizarrely had her client read books like Burn My Heart at Wounded Knee and watch Netflix Mudbound and other documentaries, Slavery by Another Name and Tulsa Burning, the 1921 Race Massacre.

And you said that

the content was referenced in her Maya Culpa to the court, which apparently was vital in the agreement for probation.

So the attorney did this.

It wasn't a punishment necessarily from the

plea.

So she is really super sorry.

In fact, she's watching these things.

Oh, my God.

Wow.

Unreal.

Wow.

Wow.

Welcome to America.

This is the best of the Glen Beck program.

So, Chief Cahill was the chief law enforcement officer on board the USS Princeton in 2004 during the Nimitz strike group Tic-Tac UAP encounters.

A

UAP is something something that means UFO.

It's just the government's

acronym for what we know to be UFOs.

There was a report that came out last week.

It was nine full pages.

My gosh, how long did it take them to put nine pages together?

But they say things that I find very, very puzzling.

If you read the report, don't worry, nine nine pages, who would read it?

It talks about if this is true, if these things, when we come down to it, they're going to fall into, I think they said, one of five categories.

You know, it's going to be weather balloons, it's going to be some sort of natural occurrence, it might be, you know, one of our planes or objects, it might be a foreign military's objects, or it'll go into a other bucket.

Well, it's kind of the other bucket that I'm kind of interested in.

And maybe Sean can give us some insight on this nine-page UAP

report.

Welcome.

Welcome, Chief Cahill.

How are you?

Good morning, Glenn.

It's good to be here.

Oh, you sound so serious.

Gosh.

We're going to kind of go a little bit.

We're interested in UFOs, and I like to talk to people who are not interested in UFOs.

And so you might be the perfect guy

because you talk to people who are UFO lovers.

They want it to be true.

I just want the truth.

So can you help us find that?

Well, I can say that for the people who are disappointed in the nine-page UAPTF report, I would ask them to change their perception a little bit.

The first aspect of that report was that it was to go to Congress.

So the nine pages, while I don't want to make it sound like a gift from Congress, I was quite happy that they immediately turned around and gave us the unclassified portion of it.

Now, like a lot of people, I'm most interested in what's in the classified annex.

And there have been a lot of rumors that are circulating around about it.

But there's a lot in that nine-page report that we can immediately dig into.

And it harkens back to 2004 when I was on board Princeton.

And it speaks a great deal.

If we focused just on that Tic Tac case where I was present today, we would show a perfect example of why the UAPTF was formed and the kind of data that we're looking to deliver to not only our leaders, but to the American people is the real data.

So can you give us, can you take us back to when you were on the Princeton and tell us what happened,

that whole experience?

Yes, in 2004, when I was stationed on board Princeton as the Chief Law Enforcement Officer, what we call the Chief Master at Arms in the Navy, I helped coordinate ships' movements over a period of days with Senior Chief Kevin Day down in the Combat Information Center.

He had been picking up anomalous contacts on the Aegis radar system that were coming in at suborbital altitudes, then going down to 80,000 feet.

And then what was spectacular was they were immediately translating down to sea level.

And then there were groups of them proceeding in a

southerly direction against the wind.

This was so strange and worrisome to Kevin that he began a series of diagnostics.

He and a radar tech named Kevin Voorhees both rebooted the system numerous times.

They double-checked everything, triple-checked.

And finally, Kevin went to our captain and said, sir, I'm pretty sure that we have real contacts, that these are not ghosts in the system based on the upgrade.

And because we were the air...

Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Let me just make sure that I have this right.

So these objects were up almost to outer space, but in our atmosphere.

They came down to 80,000 feet.

I guess that's unusual

because, I mean, how many things are up suborbital?

And then it went down to sea level.

This is highly unusual.

Well, it's highly unusual, and it's frankly impossible for most of our vehicles that aren't ballistic weapon systems, because to de-orbit a craft requires a certain specific set of maneuvers to

re-enter the atmosphere.

So not only were these appearing beyond where the Aegis radar system could pick them up, they were in space.

They were then translating down to an altitude that even our best aircraft don't operate very well at.

Okay, so wait, wait, so when we enter,

we have that blackout period where

we're really kind of on fire when we're coming back down in.

So they didn't enter the same way they didn't experience those things?

Well, at the time, we hadn't yet heard of what were called the five observables that came out of a program called ATIP that Luis Elagondo ran.

But what we did witness was what was called hypersonic velocity and instantaneous acceleration.

Those are two of the five observables.

And they're two means of action that

we have zero craft in our arsenal that can do that.

So there was nothing about this that matched anything that we understood.

And then to have them immediately go to sea level and then

kind of make a lazy flight southward, almost as if they were a flock of balloons.

This is one of the things that gets the debunkers into it because they like to cherry-pick and say that there were 20 or 30 different things happening at once that conflated to confuse the military that there were UFOs.

But

that's not the case.

Kevin sent a sortie of F-18s out to the area where the radar was picking them up.

We were the air defense commander, so our captain had that authority to order that.

And Commander David Fraver and his wingman pilot, Lieutenant Commander Alex Dietrich, made their way out to this area, and they observed an area of water that was, they said it was roiling.

And it was approximately the size of a 737 aircraft.

And around it were these tic-tac-shaped objects that were matte white in color, approximately 30 feet long, with no control surfaces, no means of propulsion, no markings whatsoever, and they were darting around instantaneously like ping-pong balls.

So, wait, let me see if I understand this.

So, there's some big object the size of a 737,

and these ping-pong balls, these tic-tacs, are circling it.

So, are they

speculation here, part of propulsion or something?

Or are they separate aircraft

or whatever?

I hesitate to speculate, but if I were to speculate immediately, I think one of the feelings was that they were either observing this area of water or they were tending to something that was in the water.

I can say that I've participated in follow-on investigations with Lue Elagondo down in Mexico, in Ensenada, and off of Guadalupe Island, where the Tic-Tacs were witnessed going into the water.

And

the folks we spoke to down there see these all the time.

It's a very interesting situation down there, but what we encountered that week was unlike anything we had ever seen before.

Towards the end of the exercise, the night that the pilots returned with the gun camera footage, before we had seen it on board Princeton, I was out on the portside bridge wing with the port watch, or excuse me, you have a port watch.

At approximately 45 degrees up in the sky,

2,000 feet off the port bow, I saw five to seven lights in a completely clear and cloudless sky.

It was about 10 o'clock at night.

And these five to seven lights all moved towards the center of the circle of their, the center of their formation that they were in, and each instantaneously disappeared.

I say that they blinked out, but they didn't show any kind of movement or propulsion.

This action completely matched what we were seeing on radar and completely matched what the pilots returned with on the gun camera footage.

The next morning, when myself and the other chief petty officers in the chief's mess witnessed that video, we were astonished.

We knew that immediately what we were looking at.

We had the chain of emails that came with it, where the operations officers on the ships were immediately debunking everything.

We know what birds look like at sea.

We know what

balloons look like.

We know what other aircraft look like.

We know what the lighting configurations are.

These things

did stuff that we just can't do.

And we had the electro-optical data the eyewitness testimony and the infrared data to to tell us about it not to mention the radar data

the best of the glenbeck program

so on monday night here's what tucker carlson said on his program

But it's not just political protesters the government is spying on.

Yesterday, we heard from a whistleblower within the U.S.

government who reached out to warn us that the NSA, the National Security Agency, is monitoring our electronic communications and is planning to leak them in an attempt to take this show off the air.

Now that's a shocking claim and ordinarily we'd be skeptical of it.

It's illegal for the NSA to spy on American citizens.

It's a crime.

It's not a third world country.

Things like that should not happen in America.

But unfortunately they do happen and in this case they did happen.

The whistleblower, who is in a position to know, repeated back to us information about a story that we are working on that could have only come directly from my texts and emails.

There's no other possible source for that information, period.

The NSA captured that information without our knowledge and did it for political reasons.

The Biden administration is spying on us.

We have confirmed that.

This morning we filed a FOIA request, a Freedom of Information Act request, asking for all information that the NSA and other agencies have gathered about this show.

We did it mostly as a formality.

We've also contacted the press office at both NSA and the FBI.

We don't expect to hear much back.

That's the way that usually goes.

Only Congress can force transparency on the intelligence agencies, and they should do that immediately.

Spying on opposition journalists is incompatible with democracy.

If they are doing it to us, and again, they are definitely doing it to us, they are almost certainly doing it to others.

This is scary, and we need to stop it right away.

Now, the NSA has responded.

On June 28, 2021, Tucker Carlson alleged the National Security Agency has been monitoring our electronic communication and is planning to leak them in an attempt to take this show off the air.

This allegation is untrue.

Now, listen to this.

Tucker Carlson has never been an intelligence target of the agency, and the NSA has never had any plans to try to take his program off the air.

NSA has a foreign intelligence mission.

We target foreign powers to generate insights on foreign activities that could harm the United States, with limited exceptions,

e.g., an emergency.

NSA may not target a U.S.

citizen without a court order that explicitly authorizes targeting.

Somebody who knows an awful lot about this is Cheryl Atkinson, who has been spied on

herself by the United States government, investigative reporter and host of Full Measure with Cheryl Atkinson and also the author of Slanted.

Hi, Cheryl, how are you?

Hey, Glenn, how are you?

I'm good.

I'm good.

I don't know how people come to this leaning toward the NSA.

I mean, everything that has happened recently, and quite honestly, if you want to be a free people, you shouldn't give the benefit of the doubt right away to the government on something like this.

What do you think is happening?

Yeah, I've tracked the proven instances.

These are just the ones that have been reported publicly through documentation, you know, pre, actually for decades, but starting in the 2009 time period, we know the government was proven to have spied on members of Congress, their staff.

journalists.

We know that intelligence officials gave false information on these questions when they testified to Congress.

So again, like you say, the default position should be, we know this is being done and has been done.

And if they can prove otherwise or are upfront and forthright with their information, perhaps we could listen to that, but they never are.

Yeah.

We know that they have the ability to

capture all communications in the United States.

We know that they do capture all communications, but they say it's just on the the meta level.

However, if you're wanting to target somebody, it's not that hard to do it.

And the NSA says unless it's an emergency.

Well, if the United States government is convinced that the largest insurrection ever to happen since the Civil War was January 6th, and that came from Trump supporters, and Trump supporters watch and listen to me, Tucker Carlson, you,

well, then

doesn't that qualify in some twisted way to a dirty government that,

yeah, they have the right to spy or to read emails and texts?

Of course, excuse me, I'm sneezing.

Of course they do.

You know, they will find a way to justify whether they believe it or don't believe it.

They can find a way to put down on paper the necessity, at least make the argument that this is something that they must do and they're authorized to do for national security.

But because it's done in secret and through the FISA court where we usually never know what the justification is that's presented and we're never meant to know, we can't say whether they did it properly.

We can't tell whether they manufactured information like they did against Carter Page, the Trump associate to spy on him.

But I would say, Glenn, you know, I've been talking about this for years since I got the forensic proof that it happened to me.

Without them ever being stopped and nobody being held accountable, of course, we can expect more of the same.

There's been no change, no deviation from the path of illegally and improperly spying on people.

And in my case, you know, I learned through courts, I still have a case pending, but through a lot of court action over the years, I learned that government officials enjoy a great deal of immunity from their crimes or acts that they commit or oversee while in office.

Congress would have to change the law to actually hold them accountable for some of these surveillance abuses, and none of that's been done.

It is truly terrifying

when you think and read, excuse me, what the president, the White House at whitehouse.gov, has just put out on the way that they're going to attack domestic terror.

They openly say they're going to be working with high-tech to find those people who are insurrectionists, extremists, but also all those that they may have infected or affected

and who the leaders are.

Well,

all you have to do is define things a little differently than the average American, which we're learning new definitions of everything right now.

So it's really

more likely than possible.

When you see that

and nobody is reacting,

how do we save freedom?

Well, it's a good question, and that's the problem with this crisis and confidence that's been created in our institutions and our law enforcement and our intelligence agencies.

So many people think there are double standards, political motivations, that

it would be one thing if a trusted agency announced they were legitimately looking at these things.

But we see through recent efforts in history and context that too often they are not and that they're violating laws and policies to do the things that they're doing.

So there's this great sense of this feeling of hopelessness and even chaos, I think, among those who would like to believe that there's a sense of law and fairness and that our intelligence community and law enforcement officials are going to be doing things fairly.

But I think a lot of people know that that's not been the case.

You have,

you know, we've had Soros' people and everybody else.

I mean, I have people going through my garbage, et cetera, et cetera.

And they have done a good job of smearing me.

Can you describe to the American people the difference between what's happened to me and then what's happened to you or could happen to Tucker if the United States government is doing it?

Well, the United States government, as you know, has every tool at their disposal, every advanced form of technology, access through the telephone companies, which they have been requiring to cooperate with them since prior to 2001 on collecting different kinds of surveillance.

I did a story that surprised me at the time on the former head of Quest, which is a phone company back in the day that he said that they were all all these phone companies already had dark contracts prior to 2001 from our intelligence agency worth hundreds of millions of dollars to collect information.

And he said that in 2001, prior to the terrorist attacks, by the way, he was brought into a SCIF because they would have these meetings, a SCIF, a secure facility.

He would have meetings with intelligence officials.

And for the first time, they asked him to do something, he said, on U.S.

soil, collecting customer information for them, that he said was clearly unconstitutional and illegal.

This is, again, 2001, prior to the 9-11 attacks.

And when he refused to do it, the other phone companies, he said, went along.

Not Not only did they cancel their super valuable dark contracts with the company, suddenly he found himself charged by the federal government with insider trading, and he went to prison for a time.

So I think this is a really dangerous thing.

The government has these tools and this potential, I would call it blackmail material at their disposal.

And then I would also point out to your listeners, Glenn, it's not just one operation, somebody that goes through an NSA database improperly, or FBI agents that turn in false information for a wiretap.

There are many operations we now know about, including in my case, some of the spying that was done on me was done through a rogue team out of the Baltimore U.S.

Attorney's Office under Rod Rosenstein.

And we know that from a former federal agent involved, as well as the forensics.

So there's all kinds of teams, dart groups.

rogue operations that could be doing different aspects of this kind of spying and all connected to the government.

Give me some hope.

What is being done to...

I mean,

I've had congressmen and senators come to me and say that they have been

received veiled threats from the intelligence community when they're in small groups.

People have come in and said, we have some information

that

some of your colleagues, and you may be in this room,

are working with foreign governments, and we just want you to know for your protection,

we are monitoring things, but

just know that we're on it.

And they received that as a threat.

One of them said,

Are you telling us you're monitoring all of our communications?

And the response was,

I'm not at liberty to say one way or another.

And they took that as a threat, whether they're following through with that or not.

They're members of Congress that truly believe that they are being watched and listened to.

And when you have that kind of a system against you, you have no chance of

doing the right thing, you know, in Congress and standing for the people.

You don't stand a chance.

Well, let me tell you a couple of incidents that have been documented.

We know that in 2009 that the Intel community, the NSA, secretly recorded and listened in on Democrat Congresswoman Jane Harmon because somebody ultimately leaked her name to the press as well as some recordings.

Same thing happened to Dennis Kucinich, a congressman, another Democrat.

This happens to both parties.

It's not something that's isolated to one over time.

I mean, it's a fact.

And then I was told some years back by a staffer for a top member of the Senate, kind of similar to what you're saying, that they were called in, these staffers, by Intel officials and told, we're going to be looking at your phone records.

Again, this is something people kind of accept now in a way, I think, which they shouldn't.

This is stunning that our intelligence agencies would be listening in on members of Congress and their staff.

This is something that should never happen.

And the staffer told me they were just stunned to be told that this was going to happen.

And I said, well, did anybody in the meeting, any congressional staffer, speak up and tell these intelligence people not to do it?

And he said, no.

And I said, why not?

He said, we were afraid we would look guilty of something if we did, because supposedly the intelligence officials were looking for leaks to the press or something.

So nobody wanted to say no for fear of looking guilty.

And this was years ago.

I think they've been doing that ever since, and we're probably doing that prior to that, and collecting all kinds of information that, yes, could conceivably be used against members of Congress and their staff.

Cheryl Ackenson, if you have not seen her investigative work recently,

make sure you follow Full Measure.

It comes out once a week and it is really good.

Also, her books are tremendous.

Her latest is slanted.

You can find her at CherylAtkinson.com.

That's CherylAtkinson.com.

Or you can follow her on Twitter at Cheryl Atkinson.

Thank you so much, Cheryl.

Appreciate it.

God bless.

Thank you.

Take care.