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It is Friday, and it is Pat and Stew here for Glenn.

A lot of great stuff today, including a great rant from a California chef who is sick and tired of all the restrictions on his business and just wants to do outdoor dining.

He's not even trying to open up the inside of his restaurant.

He's so frustrated about

the situation where you have these restaurant owners spending thousands of dollars to retrofit their places to try to get people inside and deal with these restrictions, and then they just told to close down.

It really is an amazing rant.

I think you're going to like that quite a bit.

Also, Joe Biden wants you to wear a mask for just a hundred more days, just a hundred more days, and you can trust him

for some reason.

I don't know what the reason is, but you can trust him.

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I don't know if you talked about it yesterday or not, because I mean, I'm sorry, I missed it.

Missed the broadcast yesterday.

But there was a video released from the state of New York.

where people are chanting and hollering in the streets, and I can't make out what they're saying.

And I was hoping, especially you still, that you'd be able to, I know you understand New York.

Yeah, I was born a day ago

that you could help me understand what they're saying

in this video.

Tough to pick up.

Can we hear it again?

I can't make it out what they're saying.

It almost

sounds like.

Somebody sucks, I think.

Can we hear it one more time?

I can't quite.

Cuomo sucks!

Cuomo sucks!

Cuomo sucks!

Cuomo sucks!

It's difficult, Jeffy.

I know.

It's tough to pick up.

I think it might be.

It almost sounds like something like Cuomo sucks.

Oh, yes, that's it.

Cuomo sucks.

I would know.

Thank you.

And it's interesting because in New York, the governor

of New York is Andrew Cuomo, and he sucks.

So that would make sense.

Cuomo sucks.

Makes perfect sense

for a New Yorker to want a chance.

Look at that.

I started.

Thank you you're welcome i'm so glad i brought that in to figure that one out i i i was talking to somebody the other day about this uh a relative who lives in new york and we were talking about andrew cuomo and of course obviously i believe andrew cuomo is awful

dot com

but uh

we were talking about like it hasn't really changed in the polling his approval rating all that much it's gone from like at one point it was almost like 80 and it's gone down to like the 70s or the 60s but it it needs to be like one.

I can understand his family.

The most.

Yeah, like maybe his family.

Chris, his brother likes him.

Yeah.

And that's it.

That should be it.

It should be like,

I don't even like him anymore.

The daughter had the boyfriend that was working at the mansion and Cuomo shipped him off to the border.

No, you're seeing my daughter?

Yeah, no, Canadian border.

Yeah.

That is why.

That actually kind of, something like that did happen at least.

So,

you know, I don't know.

Will it turn around in New York?

I mean, they're obviously so liberal, but

at some point when

you have

a liberal governor who you might like some of their policies, but you realize, you know, they've killed your grandparent, you know, I don't know.

That would tend to dampen your attitude.

I would think so.

I would think so.

It definitely seems like New Yorkers are becoming more outspoken about how bad Cuomo is, but the polls haven't moved enough for my liking yet, Pat or Jeff.

It's pissing me off.

Also, I'm looking forward to the new brand new streaming service.

We don't have enough streaming services in our lives anymore.

Nooby's gone.

No Kubi's No More.

I don't know.

Kubi's No More.

This is exciting news.

Discovery Plus.

Discovery Plus.

Discovery.

Discovery Plus is going to be a new streaming service looking forward to it.

We've all been clamoring for that.

I know.

And finally, they've responded.

55,000 episodes, 2,500 current and classic shows.

I mean, and it's going to be all their networks.

I mean, they have HGTV, Food, TLC, Own, Planet Earth, and of course the ever-popular and more.

I love that channel.

I know, me too.

How much are you willing to pay for the streaming service for Discovery Plus?

I'm going to go $0, but also

they're charging a little bit more than that.

Are they really?

Yeah, they are.

$4.99.

$4.99 a month, $6.99 ad-free.

for Discovery Plus.

That's interesting.

I don't know.

It's just people will get to the point.

And look, we happen to be, there happens to be a Blaze TV that we all love and would love you to subscribe to.

Please do.

Blazetv.com slash Glenn.

But it is, there is some sort of like, how many different subscriptions?

I have no idea how many I have.

I feel like I have 50.

Yeah, it's pretty close.

Well, you look at your Amazon, right?

Everybody's got Amazon Prime.

Most people have Netflix, although we dropped ours because of that child porn thing.

Just throw that out there.

You got your hulu you got your cbs uh you got disney plus you've got amc has a streaming thing too right apple tv plus

and looking forward to the new hillary clinton uh broadcast uh she just announced yesterday with apple tv plus it's hillary and chelsea right yeah oh good doing what they've created they've created a production company and their first thing is going to be the book that they put together about strong women Strong women.

Yeah, it's going to be great.

Oh, wow.

Can't wait for that.

It's going to be great.

And that's Apple TV.

It makes me me want to subscribe.

Man, do I want Apple TV Plus?

So, I mean, that's quite a number.

Yeah, there's so many.

Way more than that.

HBO Max.

HBO Max, right?

HBO Max.

And HBO Max just announced that they've got the new deal now where Warner Bros., their movies, remember they're going to do

Wonder Woman in December this month.

going to launch at movie theaters and HBO Max.

Obviously.

Yes.

They just inked the deal now.

All of 2021 movies on Warner Bros.

will be released at the theater and on HBO Max for free for the first 30 days.

Seems hard to overstate how big a deal that is, right?

I know.

That industry.

Wow.

I mean, do

I purge theater chain stocks are going in the tank?

And is this the end of the theaters?

Is that the end of the day?

I don't know.

I mean, Universal just made that deal, right, where they were going to start, they made the deal with

the movie theaters that they're going to allow their movies to be released at the movie theaters only for 30 days before it goes to video on demand.

But if it doesn't make, I think it was the $50 million mark, then it's 17 days and it goes to video on demand.

And Universal is giving the movie theaters a cut of all of that, though.

So, you know, we'll see what happens.

I'm just, I just know, I knew as soon as they announced the Wonder Woman deal, and this was announced on Chewing the Fat, by the way, that it was going to be a done deal for the rest of the near future for sure.

yeah and that's it they are saying that this is only you know uh creative solutions for 2021 so those creative solutions are going to be uh are going to be for

unlimited amount of time now in the future until the theaters actually close and you have this like weird chicken and egg thing going on with these movie theaters where

you just they're not releasing any movies so there's no reason for theaters to be open right and there's no reason to go to theaters because they're not releasing any movies and there's no reason to release movies because none of the theaters are are open.

So there's no, there's like no real way to get this to work.

This is a great, I think, actually a really good idea because they can guarantee a bunch of cash from HBO and they can still get into the theaters.

Well, they were saying HBO Max was saying they only on HBO Max specifically only had like 9 million subscribers.

HBO has 28 million.

And many, many of those people that have HBO haven't

flipped over to HBO Max yet.

So they want everybody to flip over to HBO Max and they want new subscribers, which they're going to get with these movies.

They're going to get a lot with the no problem.

I mean, they're releasing 17 movies that they're going to online, that they're going to release for HBO Max in the theaters.

And I mean, who doesn't want to watch Godzilla versus Kong?

I got to say, I'm dumb enough to show up for Godzilla versus Kong.

They did that.

I think it was the Last Godzilla movie, which was another like War of the Monsters thing.

And

it was not good.

The Last Godzilla movie was really bad.

I didn't watch it.

I assumed that.

Well,

the one before that was actually good.

The original one

with Brian Cranston in it.

That's not the original Godzilla, but the original of this latest string of them.

Is that the one where Godzilla said?

Yes.

Is it that one?

Yeah.

He said that.

You got James Gunn's The Suicide Squad.

Yeah.

You have the long, according to this release, you have the long-awaited fourth Matrix film.

How long have you been there?

Long-awaited.

I thought they ended that thing.

Whoa, no.

And Matrix 3 was so bad.

Bad and convoluted.

And Matrix 2 was also really bad.

Matrix 1 is a great movie, and all the other ones have been terrible.

You have Space Jam, another sequel.

This is the one with LeBron.

I don't know.

Who just inked a New Deal, too, by the way?

Yes, a lot of money that he doesn't deserve.

Speaking of Braun,

are you in love with the fact that he may stick around in the NBA long enough to see Bronny get into the league as well?

good.

Wouldn't that be great?

Great.

To have LeBron James and LeBron James Jr.

playing all together.

He'll make sure that the kid gets in.

Yes, he will.

Could the kid be any more?

Is it possible that he's as annoying as LeBron James?

Is it possible?

Is it possible that LeBron would actually take a pay cut to get his kid on the team like he did for other teammates and he decided, no,

I'm not going to take a pay cut.

Not a dime.

He will not give up a dime.

It's just incredible.

And then you have the new interpretation of Dune.

Wow, the first time around was so great.

Right?

I don't know.

Dune one in 1984.

What happened in Dune?

What was the

movie?

What happened was it was like eight hours long, if I remember correctly.

And what they did was they put a camera on a sand dune.

Okay.

And then they showed that for eight and a half hours.

It was really good.

Was there any human?

Some people said it was slow.

Not for me.

Not for you.

No.

That's about what happened in Dune.

But this one looks pretty good.

Yeah, I mean.

The previews are interesting.

There's also a prequel, I believe, of the Sopranos series.

I hope so.

I hope they finally put that together.

Yeah, there's some of the things that we're talking about.

I suppose about Newark is in the title.

Yeah.

And look, the Sopranos are still strong for HBO, right?

I mean, they have those up.

People watch them all.

Yeah.

I mean, there's some episodes during the series that you always have to go back to and watch.

Season five, you know, the final episode was awesome.

Stuff like that.

One thing I know from listening to Chewing the Fat with Jeff Fisher, a podcast you can get right now if you're subscribing to podcasts at this moment, is you went over the transportation numbers

with the TSA and how

what was the, do you remember the details of that?

Well, some of the details, they actually went up over the holidays.

They had like three or four days that actually broke a million through the turnstile.

So a million people who went through TSA security.

And what was it before the whole pandemic?

Well, the lowest it got down to was 86,000.

86,000 from what?

During 2 million or something?

Right.

That was in the heat of the war.

That's where the normal numbers go.

Over 2 million, and then it started going to a couple hundred thousand, 300,000.

We were back up to about between 6,000 and 900,000.

So it dropped off by over 90%.

But it was 2.5 million.

Yeah, 2,500 to 3 million.

And then it has bounced back to roughly half right now.

It's interesting to look at the theaters, which were doing about $200 million a week in the theaters not that long ago.

In February 14th through the 20th, they did $215 million in theaters.

That dropped off to like, you know, it was March 6th,

the week of March 6th, it went to $134 million.

Then the next week went to $58 million.

The next week went to $5,632.

Yeah, I mean, they were incredible.

They were celebrating crude's

release over the Thanksgiving holiday.

Well, that's what I was going to say.

$14 million?

Yeah, globally.

$14 million.

That's what I was going to say here.

So it went down to like, you know, $5,000 for a few weeks.

Then eventually, you know, once we got out of the six weeks

to stop the spread or whatever, a few opened up, got up to like $100,000, got up to like $500,000 through the summer.

Finally broke a million in August.

So again, think of how long that is.

Then $3 million, $8 million, $16 million, $30 million in September 4th.

And then it started kind of getting the same thing.

It started closing them back down again.

It went the other way.

$14 million, $13 million.

And it's been right around between 11 and 14 million for the past two months.

That's still a 90% drop off.

And let me give you what's in a really nice theater near us right now.

Die Hard.

Okay, we can see that at home.

It's a Christmas movie, by the way.

Same with

Dr.

Seuss the Grinch.

Okay.

Yeah.

Love, actually.

Jeez.

Here's a new one.

All My Life.

Never Heard of It.

Don't Know These People.

Elf is showing The Croods.

Let Him Go and The War with Grandpa.

You forgot one huge movie that's released, that's been released for the next, it started today, I think, maybe yesterday, and through the weekend, the Elvis Remastered That's the Way It Is movie.

Okay.

So thank you for that, Ryan.

Wow.

Jeffy, that was egregious that I left that off the list.

Ward.

Just a few minutes.

Really wasn't egregious.

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There's a California chef that is.

I mean, I think you're seeing a lot of this reaction to the ridiculous overreaches by these blue state governors, largely, and mayors.

And they are,

you're seeing a lot of it come from restaurants and bars.

And it's weird because, like, they're just like the public face of this.

It's interesting in that, you know, restaurants have seen real devastation.

Bars, obviously, even worse.

I mean, a state like Texas, because we had this metric set up of 15% of the hospitals filled with COVID patients, means you go to, I think, 50% capacity in restaurants, and bars close, I think is the way it works.

There's so many restrictions and weird things like this.

It's hard to keep track of.

But so, you know, that's happened a lot and they've been kind of the public face.

You think about some of these industries, though, that have totally gone away.

I mean, like concerts.

Right.

You know, concerts, we have Eric July, who's a Blaze TV contributor.

Love Eric.

And he comes in for the news and why it matters.

He's been on this show, my show, Studios America.

I'm sure Pat Gray Unleashed as well.

And

he talks, he's a musician.

He's a singer for a band.

And

that whole business is just dissolved.

Yeah.

Like if you go to a concert venue, basically you're just turned things off

for the year.

And the thing about that is that for these bands, that's now how they make their money.

The concerts are far more lucrative than the record sales because the digital record industry has just pretty much destroyed the massive amounts of money they were making from that.

So they're not making the big bucks with the recordings anymore.

They're making the big dollars at the concert venue.

And now they don't have that.

Just gone.

So then what do you do?

Yeah, then what?

I mean, you know, we talk about professional sports.

Obviously, you see these professional sports leagues who have gone from, I mean, you watch the games, you watch an NFL week of games, you know, half the games have zero fans and half the games have, you know, maybe 10 or 20% of the fans.

I mean, they're talking about the Super Bowl at, I think, 20% capacity.

It's something like 15,000 people, supposedly, in the stadium, which I can't imagine what these tickets are going to cost.

But you look at all that.

What about minor league teams?

You know, what about

what about like the, you know, here, I think this is around the country.

I've been to them with the kids and other places as well, but they have like trampoline parks and like these indoor sort of like, almost like indoor amusement parks in some ways where they have trampoline parks and they have like all these cool things for kids to do, go-karts and, you know, all these things where people are sharing.

the same space and doing physical activity or whatever indoors.

You know, I mean,

we have them around us and they're open open again, again, limited capacity.

And we've gone to them, you know, several times, but the

crowd is one-tenth of what it was.

How do these places stay open?

I don't know.

Well, you know, they're dealing with this, of course, at restaurants quite a bit.

There's a California chef, TV personality, Andrew Gruel,

which is a weird name for, maybe it's Gruel.

It's probably more.

Maybe it's Gruel.

I don't know the guy.

But he was talking about

the madness of these lockdowns and these restrictions.

Listen.

Here's the situation.

Do we take the pandemic seriously?

Of course we do.

Am I saying that we shouldn't close outdoor dining?

Yes, I am.

At every single juncture along the way here, from the beginning shutdown to today, we've listened to all of the advice from our government officials, only to be shut down over and over and over again, and then not compensated for the elements that we put in place in our businesses in order to protect our customers.

We shut down indoor dining.

No problem.

I got a warehouse full of plexiglass right now.

Okay.

We went outdoors.

All right.

Now that's getting shut down.

I just put thousands of dollars into outdoor feeders.

There is zero scientific evidence that proves that outdoor dining is contributing to a rise in cases related to this.

I can go get a pink cockatoo for my Christmas tree, but I can't go and dine outdoors at a restaurant.

I can go to Target.

Amazon's making tons of money.

All big business is getting rich.

Okay.

Outdoor dining does not lead to any of that.

Therefore, screw that.

We're staying open outdoors.

It's that simple.

Wow, that's great.

And he's right on all of that.

All of it.

There is no

evidence that says that outdoor dining leads to major transmission.

I mean, it's very, very unlikely that you're going to get it at doing outdoor dining.

And you're killing these businesses because you're not only telling them they can't have customers, which is already a really big deal.

But I've heard this from restaurant owner after restaurant owner.

They are you're doing these things to to please the government like putting plexiglass up and all these separators, and to make, honestly, some of the people who come to your restaurant who are scared feel better.

Some of them might be effective.

Some of them don't do much of anything.

They're just feel-good measures.

And you're spending all of this cash to do this.

And then at the end of the day, the government doesn't come back and say, hey, we know we asked you to shut down.

We know we asked you to build these bubbles for everyone to sit in so they can basically, everyone can live inside of plastic wrap.

We know you spent a fortune on that.

Here's some cash for that.

Now, there have been some programs that have helped with shutdowns.

We know the PPP and there's going to be another stimulus package that comes here in the next couple of months at least.

It's either going to be

probably

very soon or

late January, early February, but that's going to be another trillion dollars.

And some of that money will go to restaurant owners and other companies to be compensated for that.

As it should, because it is the government forcing them to shut down.

Yeah, i will say if if it's a state regulation however that money should probably come from the state yeah not the government probably not the federal government i think that we have this has got to this is this is a little bit out of control i mean you have a lot of people who are laid off and those people uh you know we have an unemployment system uh there's been talk about potentially another one of these sort of stimulus bonus stimulus is the wrong word for this because it's not stimulus it is it's it's closer to eminent domain the government has taken your property It's taken your business.

It's told you to shut down.

And they're supposed to compensate you for such things.

There's a big libertarian part of me that does not like all of this, but I do understand it in this particular circumstance.

When the government is responsible for your business being closed and you being on the verge of bankruptcy, then

it's appropriate that they compensate you, I guess.

But yeah, so you look at industries like restaurants and movie theaters and, well, cruise lines.

When are cruises going to be acceptable again?

You know, I've been seeing commercials for them lately.

Really?

I think it's

open?

Yeah, they're like, they're actually cruising?

They're selling some cruises.

Because most of them have pushed it off to 2021 sometime.

I think they might be selling future cruises and trying to get people excited about that.

I was surprised to see, though, advertising for it at this point.

That is surprising.

You know, I mean, there's like, what about this live events business?

There's a whole convention business, right?

Where you have these huge conventions like Comic-Con, and there's a ton of them.

Um, and it's like, those,

what, how are those businesses planning through this?

Even if you're going to have them in the near future, you're going to have to have them in a separated

circumstance where you're not getting close to people and people wearing masks.

They don't want to do that.

It's not comfortable.

You know, we went,

you know, they had these

six weeks to stop the spread or whatever.

It was two weeks and then another month.

And that ended.

And I think it was right after that, or not soon after that, in Texas, they opened up dining at 25% capacity in Texas.

And it was like at the point where nothing was open.

I mean, really, I think Georgia had opened a little bit.

Maybe one or two other states, I know South Dakota kind of did the whole time.

And a couple of other states had it that way.

But it was like big news at the time.

And the first day it opened, we went out to a restaurant here in Texas.

And it was interesting in that it wasn't fun.

You know, it's one thing to to say you can go to a restaurant.

It's another thing to go to a restaurant where everybody is masked around you.

You can't understand them.

You can't have fun.

You can't go talk to somebody.

You know, if you're going to a bar or whatever, you can't go talk to someone across the bar.

You know,

you're freaked out because you're wondering what droplets are landing on your face from fellow diners.

And it's like.

I think people have loosened up a little bit since then, right?

We've been dealing with this for a while now, but it wasn't enjoyable.

You know, the whole point of this is it's not just going out and consuming food.

You can do that at home.

It's an experience.

And these guys work so hard to design these amazing dishes and have a great atmosphere in their restaurants and even to work to do it outside.

And at the end of the day,

it's impossible for them to provide the things that

the people who are coming to the restaurants actually want.

Yeah.

You know, you've really just hampered this economy to a level level that is, I mean, we certainly never lived through anything like this before.

My favorite hamburger place in all of Texas, Twisted Root, still, still closed.

They've been closed and they're continuing to be closed in most of their locations.

I think in Shreveport, Louisiana or someplace, they've got a couple of restaurants open, but all of the restaurants in the DFW area

still closed.

And I think they've even filed Chapter 11 bankruptcy.

So, I mean, I don't know how people are surviving it.

I don't know what you're doing for livelihood.

But when you once had such a successful operation that you have, that you now have restaurants all over the place.

You've gone from one to 20 or 30 or whatever.

And now you've had to be closed all this time.

It just devastated your business.

So how do you ever, how do you ever get that back?

You just can't.

And the government can't make everybody whole.

Everybody who has declared bankruptcy and who is shut down,

they're not all going to be made whole again by the U.S.

government or the state government.

It's just not possible.

It can't happen.

So, this is a tragedy.

And I really feel for people who've lost their livelihoods like that.

It's really a shame.

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We may have played this yesterday, but just as a reminder, here's what Joe Biden is saying about your holiday season that's coming up, because, you know, everything's got to change now, right?

You couldn't have anybody over for Thanksgiving.

Well, even more so for Christmas.

I hope you all are listening as with all the trouble you're going through, you cannot be traveling during these holidays.

You got that?

As much as you want to,

I have a large family.

Okay.

You probably

used to kidney buds.

I mean, everything for me is family, beginning, middle, and end.

When one comes, everybody comes.

You think I'm joking?

I'm not.

Why would I think you're joking?

That is such a weird thing.

Yeah, it is.

You think I'm joking?

I'm not joking.

No.

Nobody thinks you're joking.

Why do you always say that?

I don't know.

It's like a weird tick he has.

Uh-huh.

He throws it into sentences all the time when everyone's sitting there like,

they're not laughing.

They're bored.

That's different.

A totally different thing.

I don't even care, let alone think you're joking.

I've 15 people people go away every Thanksgiving.

My deceased son, before he passed away,

we'd all go away and we'd go away on Thanksgiving to be just a nuclear family.

Mom, dad, sons, daughters, husbands, wives, grandchildren.

Cousins.

And

we, the first time,

we had Thanksgiving with my wife and myself.

My daughter in the region and her husband, who's a doctor in the region.

In the region.

That's it.

All my other kids, everybody else in the family was on Zoom on Thanksgiving, which doesn't.

Well, Christmas is going to be a lot harder.

And, you know, I don't want to scare anybody here, but understand the facts.

I love this.

Here we go.

He's not a fearmonger.

It's Republicans that fearmonger.

He doesn't want to scare anybody.

We're likely to lose another 250,000 people dead

between now and January.

Okay, that's okay.

It's a lot.

He doesn't want to scare anybody, but we are likely to have a quarter of a million people dead between now and January.

Now, January is in,

what, 26

days?

It's December 20th.

24th right there.

Okay.

So 28 days.

So you're basically looking at about 10K a day, which would be high.

We've never cleared 3,000 in a day.

Yeah, it's 2,700 right now.

Right.

And it's, you know, we probably will break those records over the next few weeks.

I mean, it probably will happen.

It is very widespread.

I go to 10,000.

I'm going to go to 10,000.

I will be very surprised if it hits that number.

I think so.

So I was trying to figure out where he got this number from.

We were joking about this in the break.

I'm like,

it's possible he could say globally 10,000 people a day will die, which is about the level we're at now.

Is he trying to say that?

If you look at some of these estimates, he says from now until January.

Does that mean do you give him January?

Like until January to me says till December 31st.

Yeah.

Right.

I mean, if you include January January in the estimates and take

you all the way to January, yeah, January 31st

and you take the worst case scenario, you might be able to get there.

Oh.

Really?

Yeah.

I mean, like, if you're at, if the worst possible thing happens and you will get, which is really stretching to give him all of January.

I mean, he said until January.

I mean, I don't think you could do that.

More likely he just screwed it up.

Because if we give him till January 31st, well, now we've given him till February is how that would be, right?

Right.

Until February.

In order for him to be correct, you would have to say until February.

But like that University of Washington model says that that's possible.

Now, of course, that also means that there's no vaccine, right?

Yeah.

Like if you have a vaccine that inoculates 30 million people by that time, I mean, the number is going to be a lot different.

But don't they also say

if you have to relax restrictions in order to do that?

And it's going the other way.

Yeah, think about, yeah, think about it.

That's a great point.

I mean, think about what that means.

It says

it's an estimate that it revolves around easing mandates.

We are doing the exact opposite.

People are adding new mandates.

Now, the effect of mandates is very overblown, very overblown.

You go and look at the mask mandate states.

Forget even whether the masks work or not for a second.

Just throw that away for a second.

Just look at what happens in states with mask mandates and states without mask mandates.

What's the difference in percentage of people who actually wear masks?

It's like 15%.

I want to say it's like in a state like South Dakota, about 65% of people are wearing masks right now.

Even when there's not.

Even when there's not a mandate.

And in like Washington, D.C.

was I think the highest.

It was something like 80% of people are wearing masks, even though there is a mandate.

Not everyone listens, right?

And the same in South Dakota.

A lot of people are wearing masks just because they think it might be helpful, right?

Let's just wear them.

You know, sometimes they're mandated in stores.

You know, there's other reasons.

But like, when you look at statewide policy, there are really good personal liberty reasons to argue about those things.

When it comes to pragmatic actual effects, people, generally speaking, make their own decisions.

They make their own decisions.

And they're going to err on the side of being cautious.

Yeah.

I mean, usually.

The mask thing is interesting because you could look at a lot of the studies.

Some show very little benefit from masks.

Some show decent benefit from masks.

Nothing shows.

It's not a panacea.

There's no, it's not a cure for COVID.

Like even the best, the most optimistic studies on masks will show like you might cut your chance of getting, of it spreading by like 50%, which is something, that's

significant.

But when it's not, when you're talking about not

letting people make their own personal choice and instead throwing a mandate on their head, right?

The standard for a government to mandate something should be really high.

Like, I don't want any of it.

But even if you do want mandates, it should be an incredibly high bar you have to clear as far as benefit.

On the other side, for your personal use, it should be pretty low.

Like, if you think there's a 10% chance that it'll help, and it's not really going to interrupt your life too much, you're probably going to do it.

That's why a lot of people are, you know,

they're doing their dinners outside.

They're standing, you know, they're standing a few feet away from each other.

Even if

they don't necessarily worry themselves, they'll take some steps.

Yeah.

You know, and then you can, that's, that's a much more sensible way for a country to deal with it.

You know, let give people reliable information.

Let people say, hey, this might help, might not, but, you know, hey, if you want to take some steps that might help, I think most people would say that, right?

Like if you have a safety feature on your car that might help in a few percent of cases,

all things being equal, you'd probably throw it on your car if it's cheap.

If it's really expensive, you won't.

You know, that's how you make decisions.

You are able to take a cost-benefit analysis and look at how your risk is in life, and you try to judge that risk.

That's how we all live.

It's why we go 65 on the highway and not three.

Because if we went three, we wouldn't die in car accidents ever.

We also don't go 170.

You know, whether the mandate is there or not.

Now, Pat, of course, does go 170.

It's why he gets 15 speed tickets a week.

Yeah, once in a while.

I'll do 170, 175, something like that.

Yeah, but that's, but you know, you're not in the norm on that one.

No, no, probably not.

No, no, no, no.

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