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We have the latest in the polls.

We have the latest in the

poll rigging, if you will.

We also have the live testimony that matters today of Amy Coney Barrett.

That's all coming up.

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Gee, what's going to happen?

Let's remember we've been through tough times before.

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ask

not

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Ask what you can do for your country.

My fellow citizens of the world,

ask not

what America will do for you,

but what together we can do for the freedom of man.

And there are even a few

who say

that it's true

that communism is an evil system,

but it permits us to make economic progress.

La Sie nach Berlin in common.

Let them come.

All free men, wherever they may live,

are citizens of Berlin.

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as a free man,

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I am happy to join with you today

in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation.

Now I have a dream.

My poor little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.

I have a dream today.

With this faith,

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let freedom ring and when this happens

when we allow freedom ring

when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet from every state and every city

we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children black men and white men Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the the words of the old Negro spirit of free at last, free at last.

Thank God Almighty, we are free at last.

But we have to make an effort in the United States.

We have to make an effort to understand, to get beyond or go beyond these raw but difficult times.

A favorite poem,

my favorite poet was Aeschylus.

He once wrote,

even in our sleep,

pain which cannot forget

falls drop by drop upon the heart

until in our own despair against our will

comes wisdom through the awful grace of God.

What we need in the United States is not division.

What we need in the United States is not hatred.

What we need in the United States is not violence and lawlessness

but is love and wisdom and compassion toward one another.

Feeling of justice toward those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black.

A few years ago,

I knew these times were coming,

and I tried to write something that my children could understand.

And it led me to

write something called The Man in the Moon.

It was an idea of somebody who was watching the world from the very beginning, from creation, and he would watch the comings and the goings and the darks and the lights of man's struggle.

What would he have to say to us at this point?

As the story says,

in the beginning,

I

am the lesser light.

But even that is not true.

For I am not a light at all.

But you are.

I know.

I have waited for you my whole life.

You have been foretold.

You see, the story is really quite simple.

You and I are both celestial bodies.

But you have something inside of you that I do not.

The great maker placed inside of you

a piece of his light.

It gives you a piece of his power.

My little ones,

I am sorry,

but I cannot tell you how your story ends.

For I am not the author.

You are.

Tonight you will go home and kiss your little beasts and they shall kiss you.

If I have done my job, your light shall burn just a little brighter

and when you awake you will again choose

and begin to write the next pages of this amazing story yourself.

And so will all those around you.

Help each other.

Be good to each other.

Love.

Love one another.

I can't wait to see what you decide to do.

I am but one moon.

There are billions of moons scattered throughout the emptiness of space.

For millions of years I have wondered, what is the point?

I have felt small and insignificant,

and that just holding my place in your sky made no difference.

The darkness

whispered its lies.

And I looked

to the light.

You felt me with warmth and truth.

I discovered how wrong the darkness was.

I was not just a moon.

I

am your moon.

And you are my beasts.

And so

I will simply do what I was created for.

I will stand in the light.

So that in your darkest hour,

I can remind you

that on the morrow,

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In the beginning, God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form and void.

And darkness was upon the face of the deep.

deep.

And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

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Glad you're here.

I'd ask for your prayers of

protection on everybody that you listen to

because I think we are really under attack.

As you might hear, I just realized that it sounds like my vocal cords are going again, and that is never fun.

Last time that happened, I was out for a month.

Not exactly the time for that to happen.

Welcome back to Stu, who's been on COVID detail.

You didn't have COVID, right?

Well, in solidarity with the president, I did obtain COVID

in the exact same schedule that he did, reportedly.

Right.

Got it on that Saturday,

tested positive on

Wednesday or Thursday of last week, and was in quarantine all last week.

So it was lots of fun.

Brought lots of fun.

Yep.

I didn't get any cool like new high scientific treatments though.

No, but you are willing to go out and French kiss every single listener today.

Yes.

That's so irresponsible, Stu.

I mean, it's so irresponsible.

But fun.

Yeah, yeah.

And we want you to know.

The president was dead serious when he said that yesterday, that he was going to kiss all of his supporters.

Dead serious.

That's what makes it so irresponsible.

This was the time.

This was the joke that's going to ruin our entire country.

Oh, yeah, I know.

I know that's agonizing.

I want to check in with the

Barrett confirmation hearing right now.

We're going to find Lindsey Graham is

probably asking her

to die down by Obergefell, which shut such a lawsuit down, and it wouldn't make its way up to the Supreme Court.

But if it did, it would be the same process I've described.

Well, let's turn now to Senator Hawley's favorite topic: Substantive due process.

As a legal theory, what am I talking about?

Can you explain it for the country?

Because if you can't, we're in trouble.

I think I'll have a hard time doing it.

So both the 14th and 5th Amendments protect life or provide that the state cannot take life, liberty, or property without due process of law.

And that sounds like a procedural guarantee, but in Supreme Court precedent, it has a substantive component.

And so the substantive due process clause says that there are some liberties, some rights that people possess that the state can't take away or can't take away without a really good reason.

So the right to use birth control, the right to abortion are examples of rights protected by substantive due process.

These are judicially created rights not found in the document called the Constitution.

Is that correct?

Well, the Supreme Court has grounded them in the Constitution, although they're not written.

They're not expressed.

Okay.

So is it fair to say there's a great debate in the law about how far this should go and what limits should apply, if any?

That's fair to say.

There's also a lot of debate in Supreme Court opinions.

I'm not aware of anybody proposing to throw it over entirely, but there's certainly a debate about how to define these rights and how far it should go.

Well let's just say that you're in the camp or anybody's in the camp that substantive due process as a legal concept is unbounded.

It basically makes the Constitution no more certain than the five people interpreting at any given time in the country.

Whatever rights they think you have, you get.

Whatever rights they want to take away from you, they can.

It's a pretty nebulous legal concept.

That's sort of my view of it.

I'm not imposing my views on yours.

But then there's a thing called precedent.

Let's say you didn't like.

a case decided under substantive due process.

You thought the whole concept was constitutionally

an era.

How does precedent play?

So, precedent is the principle that cases that have been decided by the court before this one lands on the docket are presumptively controlling.

And so, you know, precedent comes from a concept called stare decisis, which is a shorthand for a longer Latin phrase that means stand by the thing decided and do not disturb the calm.

So, precedent is a principle that you're not going to overrule something without good reason or roil up the law without justification for doing so.

So, you could say

the underlying analysis that led to any case, just case X, I reject that analysis, but I will now apply precedent to whether or not it should be reversed.

Is that what you're telling us?

That is, because precedent is.

What are the factors would a judge look at in terms of overruling the case?

Gee, I wonder what they're talking about.

Nobody's talking about case X, Gladys.

Just case X.

Some unknown case has nothing to do with abortion.

That's the kind of ruling.

You also can say that.

You could say structurally this case should constitutionally wrongly decided, but that doesn't end the debate.

Is that correct?

No, that's right.

So

we're not going to dwell on the

questions from the majority because I think we all know that it's not going to be tough questions.

I really want to hear Feinstein.

I want to hear

the left and the tack they're going to take.

Yesterday, listening to it, it seemed as if the Democrats had just given up.

Like,

they didn't have the big trick up their sleeve.

They didn't have some incredible new line of questioning.

It was just basically, hey, we have this time in the spotlight.

Let's use it to make generic election points.

Yeah, I think that's what they're doing, but they're also undermining the confidence in the Supreme Court.

They were trying to make the case yesterday that

this is packing the court.

This is so stupid.

I know.

That's not what it means.

It's not what it it means at all.

But by changing the balance of the court, this is packing the court.

So

they're setting up all of the legal arguments on why you shouldn't believe the Supreme Court the way it is.

That way, if

this goes to this next election, happens to go to the Supreme Court, they will be able to have the argument that you can't believe it because she's on it.

They've packed the court.

If they win, that gives them the reason to say we now have to reverse this by adding members to the court.

The Democrats are engaged in the greatest subversion of the American Constitution I have ever seen.

It is stunning to me that they're actually getting away with all of this.

Or are they?

I want to take a look at some of the polls today.

I can't wait to hear Stu's opinion on it.

And the polls are out, but then there's cultural things that tell us that

it doesn't make sense.

They would never, in history, these two things would never sit side by side.

Things could be different, and this time they do.

We'll talk about that coming up in just a second.

Also, Ben Sasse is about to duck out of the hearing and get on the phone with us.

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I thought one of the stars yesterday in the opening statements was a guy who didn't use his time to score political points, instead used it to teach, I think, really the Senate and those who might be watching that don't understand the Constitution to teach us about civics and how the law works and what the branches do.

Ben Sass was that man.

He's joining us now.

Senator, how are you, sir?

I'm doing great, Glenn.

Thanks for the invite.

You were great yesterday.

And I appreciate you coming out of the hearing to be able to talk to us and tell us what you feel is going on.

Well, honestly, normally leaving the Senate hearing to talk to you is a good

excuse, but

at no cost to having to get out of a hearing going, oh, I have to get out of that hearing.

I'm actually losing something by talking to you right now.

Judge Barrett is amazing.

What she's doing now is explaining the Constitution.

Hold on just a second.

Hang on, Senator Sass.

You're breaking up horribly.

I don't know if you can get near a window.

The Senate buildings buildings are.

This is as close to a window as I can see.

Yeah, okay, good.

That's clear.

Okay, all right.

So you were saying Judge Barrett is amazing?

She is explaining the Constitution to people.

She's explaining what judges do.

So much of these confirmation hearings have become made-for-TV nonsense where people are trying to get out the vote or score political points or fork people and do character assassinations.

What we should be doing is explaining why judges wear robes as opposed to red or blue partisan jerseys, why they don't stand for election, why they have lifetime tenure.

In a constitutional system where you're supposed to be accountable to the people, it's pretty weird to have people in an important job that can't really be fired.

But it's because they're supposed to be apolitical.

And when we explain that,

I think you win America.

And I think that's what Judge Barrett's doing right now.

But there is a, I mean, first of all, CNN dropped a lot of the coverage yesterday.

So, you know, half of the country is not getting this civics lesson.

And there is an effort not only with the Democrats, but also now with the press, where they're trying to redefine court packing.

And they're saying that by making the court non-political, you're actually changing the structure and you're packing the court.

Yeah, we have a lot of my colleagues that are using Orwellian SPEN now to dodge giving a straight answer on court packing.

And they're now saying that filling a vacancy is court packing.

Are you kidding me?

I mean, the difference between filling a vacancy and packing the court is kind of like the difference between running onto a baseball field versus shooting the referee.

I mean, court packing is one thing and only one thing, and that is adding seats to the court so that you can get the policy wins you want.

It's about trying to turn the Supreme Court into a super legislature.

That's what court packing is, and that's why it's wrong.

Court packing isn't just about destroying one branch of government.

It's about blowing up the deliberative process of the Senate in route to trying to remake the judiciary.

It's a really, really terrible idea, and I don't think the American people really have any interest in it.

What do you think of

Biden and his team not answering the question if they will pack the court?

What do you think that means?

Yeah, I think that there are a bunch of people on the left trying to cobble together a coalition of people, some of whom are sort of center-left and left of where I would be on policy issues, but kind of reasonable Americans.

And then there are a bunch of far-left

wokes that don't really believe in the constitutional structure.

And I think that the Biden team is trying to figure out how to maintain that big leftist coalition, united primarily by being frustrated with Donald Trump on a whole bunch of issues.

And so Biden doesn't want to speak to these kinds of issues because he wants to try to maintain a coalition without having to give a lot of clear answer.

I hear that he last night said a few things that are a little bit

court-packing skeptical.

What we need to hear him say is that he affirms the constitutional structure and has zero desire in changing the size of the court and the composition of the court.

Marko and I have a constitutional amendment to just lock the number of justices at nine so we don't have to go through all this.

Trevor Burrus Ross Powell, so we not only have that, but we also have an effort underway from the

really, I think, mainly the old Clinton group that is trying to convince states to send other delegates

if

the popular vote goes one way and get rid of the

Electoral College.

You know, because you're from Nebraska, what does that mean to America?

Well, I mean, the reason we have the Electoral College is because we are a republic, right?

A democratic republic, to be sure, but our founders didn't create a pure democracy in the sense that every decision should

immediately on 51 to 49 bases.

And I think that's one of the things that's so weird about the political addicts in our time is that there are only about 14% of Americans that pay attention to politics on a daily basis, and they think they're representative of real people in real America.

Well, 86% of Americans don't actually want to do politics as the center of their life, their consciousness, their community, their entertainment.

Most people want to be in their church or their synagogue.

They want to be in their neighborhood.

They want to be in their small business.

They want to be coached in Little League.

They want to be volunteering on the PTA.

They know that the most important parts of government on a daily basis are the ones that are closest to them.

And I think there are a lot of national politically addicted people who want to try to remake all of American life as about the immediacy of screaming.

And so they don't like institutions like the Electoral College, which mediate small R-Republican, not partisan Republican Party, but small R-Republican decisions through structures of deliberative process.

What does it mean if we have, because the left is crying for a direct democracy,

what would that mean to us?

Aaron Powell,

well, I mean, first of all, we just back up and say, why do we have limited government?

What does it mean to say that we have limited government?

It means that we don't think that power is the center of life, right?

We believe that 330 million Americans are all created with universal human dignity.

They're created in the image of God.

And the most interesting things about people are not about power.

They're about love.

They're about persuasion.

They're about assembly.

They're about breaking bread.

They're about playing catch.

They're about doing meaningful work that benefits your neighbor.

The really important things in life are not primarily about power structures.

And so when people want to talk constantly about government, they've confused the nature of the

confused the nature of human community and they've confused happiness.

And so there are a lot of politically addicted people who don't have much in their life except obsession over power, and they want everybody else to participate in their obsessions.

And most people don't want that.

What they want is the government to maintain a framework for ordered liberty so that you you can then pursue all the greatness of life in the actual neighborhood where you're living and raising kids, not in one size fits all political decision-making away.

What does this election mean

if we go one way or the other?

Well, first of all, let's talk about which election, because I think that we are talking constantly in American public life for the last three and a half years about the presidency.

And the truth of the matter is, you know, the president, Donald Trump and I differ on a lot of things.

But one of the things we differ on is he actually likes the immediacy political culture.

He wants to be on everybody's TV screen and Twitter account and social media feed all day, every day.

I don't think most people want that.

I think it's really unhelpful.

I don't think it's good for my party to tie itself to the political brand of one individual who kind of views life as reality TV.

So when we talk about the election, to me, the most important...

most important election by far in three weeks is the election for the United States Senate.

Because it is if the Democrats get to a supermajority in the Senate, which I would define as maybe 52, 53, 54 votes, that they'll end the filibuster and try to fundamentally remake America.

They'll try to add new states.

They'll try to pack the Supreme Court.

They'll radically remake the nature of a market economic system and try to replace it with lots more socialized government planning.

I think that the most important things that can be broken in America would be broken by a Senate that gets to a Democratic supermajority.

So I've spent almost all my time this last year in politics campaigning to try to maintain a Republican majority in the Senate because I think so much of what's precious about our framework for ordered liberty could be lost in a majoritarian U.S.

Senate that a lot of Democrats want to make.

I would agree with you.

However, I also, I mean, I've changed on Donald Trump.

I don't think that you have.

But I watched his actions and tried to tune out the words and just watch his actions.

And he has done remarkable things.

One of the things that I was really worried about is that he, you know, he does like to just take control.

He's a CEO of things.

And if we ever faced a pandemic or a real crisis, that he would grab the power reins, which he was encouraged to do and didn't do.

And now I see who we are facing and how serious they are about the destruction of America through violent means or any other means.

And I think this presidential election is the most important in my lifetime.

And I've always hated that phrase.

Do you find validity in that?

Well, so first of all, let's agree with you on the hating of the phrase because this idea that every election is the most important in our lifetime, and I totally understand why there's a lot on the line 21 days from now.

But this idea is already a sign that we've gone around a bend that's really unhealthy.

Oh, yeah.

We want culture to be upstream from politics, and economics should be largely decoupled from politics.

So, first of all, let's just to your point about Donald Trump.

There are places where I think he's done a phenomenal job.

His judicial selection has been amazing.

Amy Barrett, sitting

50 yards from me right now, is a rock star.

This will be the third person he's put on the Supreme Court.

We've got 60 appellate judges, 200 total judges.

The pace of judicial confirmations over the last three years has been an all-time record in U.S.

history since the circuit courts were created.

So I went on the judiciary committee to fight for President Trump's judges.

So I think he's done a great job in that domain.

But I think writ large, American politics should be focused on the problems 10 years in the future.

The long-term technology race with the Chinese Communist Party, AI, machine learning, quantum computing, biotech, robotics, 5G, 5G.

Like the really big issues that we should be bringing the American people along on, we're not.

We're not right now grappling with the changed nature of work where the average duration at a firm for a 35 or a 40 or a 45 year old mom or dad needing to put bread on the table, the average duration at that firm is getting shorter and shorter.

It was 26 years when I was a kid, the average duration at a job or a company.

It's now 4.2 years and getting shorter.

We need to think about what job retraining for those folks who are getting disrupted when they're

in that conversation in American public life.

I agree with you 100%.

I've been talking about that for 10 years, and I think COVID has made things much, much worse.

So I guess I should just ask you point blank.

Are you voting for the Republican candidate this election?

Yeah, I mean, Glenn, I'm not making any headlines about that today because I think that there's, I don't get any Nebraskans asking me how they should vote in the presidential election.

That's not what they look to me to do.

They look to me to explain why I'm running for reelection to the United States Senate.

And I talk about, as you and I have here, the future of war with the Communist Party, the future of work, the First Amendment, which is being tragically lost, and the crazy nuttiness that we see happening on the campus where people are redefining speech they don't like as violence.

That's why Amy Barrett is

a great

fighting for his nominees to the court.

But I think reducing our public conversation every four years just to one vote for president is that drip, drip, drip of political immediacy displacing the larger conversations we should be having in American public life.

Penzas, I have appreciated your work on the civic conversation and your lesson on civics yesterday.

Thanks for ducking out for us today.

Appreciate it.

Bye-bye.

Welcome to the program.

He's making interesting choices

this close to the election.

His own election as well.

Yeah, his own election.

Heavily favored to win in Nebraska.

And look, I like him.

I just disagree with him on things, but I like him.

I like him.

Yeah, I'm a fan.

You know, again, he's directing, I think,

the conversation.

Forget who you're going to vote for.

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Hello, America.

We are one hour in out of the 11 hours of questioning of

Judge Barrett for the Supreme Court.

The Democrats don't seem to really have even a direction here other than trying, I think, to make us lose faith in the Supreme Court, which, I mean,

really, who had a lot of faith in that?

Anyway,

they're now changing the meaning of court packing, saying that if you're taking the political people out of the Supreme Court, that's akin to court packing.

No, it's not that.

That's akin to following the Constitution.

Court packing is entirely different.

We're going to get a rundown on exactly what happened yesterday, what's happening today, what we should expect from Carrie Severino.

She's the president of Judicial Crisis Network.

She's joining us next.

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She's the president of Judicial Crisis Network, and I want to get her opinion on what's happened so far and where we're headed on the Barrett confirmation hearing.

Hi, Kerry.

How are you?

Good.

How are you doing, Ben?

Very good.

So

yesterday, the strategy seemed to be to change the definition of packing the court.

Is that what you took away yesterday from the tactic of the Democrats?

They wanted to talk about anything as long as it wasn't talking about Amy Coney Barrett.

They did not want to talk about this talented, outstanding woman sitting before them.

They were trying to play top politics.

So, you know, there were some of the, a lot of the Democrats just wanted to talk about Obamacare.

They had pictures up of different people, you know, who had been helped

by the Affordable Care Act.

And they were trying to make it seem like her whole purpose in life was to get rid of this.

That's ridiculous.

It's not even an issue that she's likely to be the deciding vote on, but that seemed to pull well for them.

And I agree,

they want to make it seem like simply filling seats on the court is somehow illegitimate, is court packing, which is so ironic because you have Joe Biden currently refusing to say what he would do with respect to actual court packing, which is when you change the number of seats in the Supreme Court for purely partisan ends, like FDR tried to do to get a court that would uphold more of his New Deal legislation.

He said, well, I'll just add more seats in the court.

That was rejected by his Democratic Senate.

It was rejected by people like Ruth Bader-Ginsburg.

Even Bernie Sanders thinks this is a bad idea.

Guys, should be an easy question.

Will you or will you not do this horribly radical thing and undermine the court?

And they don't want to talk about that.

They try to change the subject.

Well, the question I just had Ben Sass on, and he said the question really is going to rely on the Senate.

If I'm not mistaken, when FDR tried it, he did get 26 of his fellow Democrats to vote for it.

Times have changed.

People don't even pay attention to the Constitution anymore.

Do you you think he could get more than 26 votes to pack the court?

I think if the Democrats get control of the House and the Senate and the White House, I think they absolutely will do that right away.

If they wouldn't, they would tell us because

I think they recognize this is such a radical thing.

Americans don't want to see it.

But he's refusing to commit to not doing it.

That's because he's more interested in placating his liberal handlers than actually doing what the American people want to do or even telling the American people what they frankly do deserve to know.

And contrary to what Biden says, is what would the president do with respect to an entire third branch of government.

So I would be upset at any conservative that did

what I think John Roberts does

in favor of conservatives.

I would be really upset if they would take something and not look at the Constitution, but instead just start to legislate from the bench.

And I think John Roberts has done that with Obamacare and other things.

And I don't want that.

And

a strict constitutionist, a constitutionalist, will actually probably

piss me off at times because I'll want it to go the other way, but I'll be fine with it

because if the Constitution actually says that, well, then we got to do it right.

Why is it that people don't understand that a strict constitutionalist will give you some wins and some losses, and some of your wins will be surprises.

Some of your losses won't be.

Yeah, it's a fundamental misunderstanding of the role of a judge.

And you're hearing it in some of the discussion today where, you know, Senator Feinstein just got done trying to get Barrett to talk about what her personal views were on for everything from guns to health care.

Like, this is not the question.

She's not someone who's going to simply go on the court and say, well, you know, Ginsburg was putting her personal views on from the left.

I'm going to put my personal views on from the right.

That's not what we want either.

We don't want

judicial activists on the court.

We want constitutionalists on the court.

And there are aspects of the Constitution that actually

would fit into what you would call a, quote, liberal paradigm.

Sure.

View strong defendants' rights, for example.

There are aspects that you might say are, quote, conservative, like Second Amendment rights.

But the Constitution isn't a political document.

It's a legal document, and that's the judge's role is to look at it that way.

So, if you're following the law and the Constitution, sometimes your results are going to look liberal from a political standpoint.

They might look conservative sometimes from a political standpoint.

But what's so important is they're legally based.

It's not someone who's acting themselves to kind of follow their own political goals.

Then it's following the politics of the American people who pass those laws.

Is this what we used to have?

I mean, was there a time when the Supreme Court was

just known as

just interpreting the law.

Well, that's always been its job.

And I think justices have done better or worse jobs of doing that.

Obviously, through history, we've had, you know, it's not only recently that we've had judges who may have mistaken that role, but I think it has become more of an epidemic, more of a crisis recently, because that was just accepted by all of legal academia and

the whole

practice.

But what's great is we're seeing a pushback now, and this is something that Justice Scalia was kind of on the front end of.

And now Judge Barrett is kind of carrying on that mantle of, hey, here's how we get that politics out.

We need to be very faithful to the text as it is written.

We need to look at what the law meant at the time it was passed, not what do we think it should mean today, not what we wish it meant today.

And so that's what actually takes that politics out.

So this is really finally achieving the goal of getting those politics back out and restoring the court to its proper constitutional so we have now

three judges that Donald Trump has appointed if he wins a second term how many more judges and will they be Clarence Thomas or will they be people that will will bring us closer to the Constitution do you have any idea who's looking to retire or

you know that is sort of always a very treacherous area to try to speculate I in 2016 I would have speculated that would be when we were you know know, Justice Ginsburg and I retired and it was four years later, right?

So

I think we don't know, but we do know that whoever is elected in 2020 is likely to get seats.

And remember, these are all life-term seats.

So even if you are replacing someone who has a similar judicial approach, it has a generational impact because that means, you know, for the next 30, I mean, Justice Tennis has almost served for 30 years already, you know, and we have people serving maybe four decades at this point.

Amy Coney Barrett is only 48, right?

She could serve for a long time.

That is going to have a huge impact going into the future of how our children and our grandchildren's country will be run and how we will understand the Constitution going forward.

They also are trying to say that Donald Trump packed the courts by filling the vacancies in the lower courts,

which he did, and Obama walked away with a lot of vacancies.

That changes things.

Have you looked at all into the states where we are most likely to have close

election results?

And is there an impact on the courts there that

may play towards the Constitution's favor?

Well, you know, so we Trump has done really historically impressive jobs filling those seats, which is really great.

A lot of the remaining seats, unfortunately, are in states where there are Democratic senators and they are blocking Trump's picks.

They would rather have no one sitting on the court than have someone that Donald Trump put on the court.

So you're seeing in some of those states real problems with

cases backing up and judges having a very heavy workload.

So I'm optimistic that if we can get some senators who are willing to acknowledge that these judges are going to be faithful to the law and move forward with those, we could have a better situation across the country.

But I think what's so great is we now have well over 200 judges that Trump has put there.

This is the next generation of outstanding legal experts in the country, and it's already having an impact in terms of cases being decided according to the law rather than according to policy.

So wait, so the states can say no to a federal judge?

Well,

the way the system works, there's something called the blue slips, and senators from the state can refuse to turn in their blue slip.

And traditionally,

there's no rule or law that says this.

But traditionally, the Senate has said if the senators from the state don't both approve of the nominee, we won't move forward on it.

So, thankfully, there have been many, including Democrat senators, who have compromised with the president and have been able to come up with some judges that they could all agree on.

But also, there's others that

want to have nothing to do with any kind of compromise with Donald Trump, particularly places like California, where you've got one of them running for vice president.

She's not going to compromise with him, right?

So, they're just willing to hold on and hold on and refuse to nominate, refuse to help confirm anyone.

Let me go back to Amy Coney Barrett.

I know you can never tell, and Republicans always seem to get to the losing end of this stick.

You get somebody you think is good, and then they start to go

and side with liberals.

I know we can't tell the future, but

who do you think she's most like

or most likely to be like as a justice?

Well, you know,

she obviously is a clerk for Justice Scalia, and she describes him as a major mentor in her life.

So I think her jurisprudence probably will most resemble Justice Scalia's.

But her,

all of these people have a very different personality.

So she isn't much, you know, just watching her today,

Scalia was known for his sharp one-liners.

And as much fun as that is, her style is very different.

She's just been so, I guess, professorial is the right word,

but

kind and explaining.

She's very good at explaining what these questions are.

And she's just so, she comes across, I think, to so genuine and careful and thoughtful about the law.

I think she is going to be someone on the court who has

the jurisprudence of a scalia, but maybe a slightly softer tone.

And

who knows, maybe that'll be something that even is compelling to some of her colleagues on the other side of the bench as well.

Thank you so much for watching.

And we'll talk to you hopefully again tomorrow and get a recap of what's happening today.

I don't see any trouble for her in the future, at least at this point.

Do you agree with that?

She's knocking it out of the park today in terms of her hearing.

And so I just think it's going to be hard-pressed, I think, for anyone to come up with a good excuse not to confer maybe Coney Barrett at the Supreme Court.

She's going to be outstanding.

Thank you so much.

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Thank you, Glenn.

I'm amazed to hear the media try to explain what Amy Coney Barrett's judicial philosophy is.

Listen to this clip from CBS explaining the difference between originalism and textualism.

For those of us who are not constitutional scholars, what's at the root of this debate over originalism or textualism?

Right, and I suspect we're going to be hearing a lot of those two words tomorrow.

I mean, this is kind of boilerplate conservative legal philosophy, but Justice Scalia was the big proponent of it and really the big stickler for it.

It's where you look at the Constitution and the words of the Constitution and how the founders meant those words to be, not how it might be living like liberals think and adapt as

our times change.

So, a conservative like Scalia would say that we've got to look at what the founders meant by that.

And if it's not in there, it's not in there, and then Congress has to step up, or the state governments and legislatures have to step up to make those kind of policy changes.

As far as textualism goes, that's how you look at federal statutes.

And there are a lot of liberals who say they're textualists too.

That just doesn't always break conservative liberal lines.

And that's when you look at the words of a statute and not what Congress might have meant or what the legislative history might show or what the purpose might have been but what the words actually say

okay so the conservative argument is what the founders meant when they did it and the words that are in the document

how is there another argument other than this the i like well the other is to look at the words of congress

oh it's like wait okay so you're admitting that the conservative argument here is to look at what was intended to happen and apply it.

Yeah, but it doesn't live.

It's not a living, breathing document.

But here's the thing.

So

you can't have the judicial branch just change things because times have changed.

Right.

Right.

That's right.

Exactly.

If we were in a society that didn't have a legislative branch,

you could make an argument that you should have a living constitution that would change with the times.

But at any point, the legislative branch can change

these things with the times.

It was built into the document.

Yes.

So you can change things if you think it's important.

Yes.

You don't just get the judges to do it.

Right.

You just

change it through the law.

Right.

You can amend the Constitution.

You can pass a legislation.

But here's the problem.

Here's the problem.

That's not popular.

You can't get.

It's hard.

Yeah.

You can't get enough people to say, hey, we should get rid of the Second Amendment.

So you need the judges to do that because they're not elected.

They don't have to worry about anything.

Right.

And Congress can just become popular.

And they can get re-elected over and over again because they've never done anything wrong.

See, well, not wrong exactly.

They've never done anything against the Constitution because the judges are telling us what the Constitution means at what time is it now?

That way,

once they say it, well, then i can go legislate some more my way i just i love this i know look the conservative philosophy is to look at the words no i know and then and if it doesn't say that then it's sent back to congress where they say you change the words wow that's

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There are so many things happening in our courts right now

between

all of the legal wranglings that are happening.

I think there are

300 or 500 court cases happening right now trying to get the election laws changed because the Democrats are

filing all kinds of changes to our election laws.

And the Republicans are responding with their court cases to try to get those election laws held in place.

And we also have all of the lawsuits that are happening because of COVID.

The Christian community

up in New York is coming after, again, Governor Cuomo because he has restrictions on religious gatherings.

And to make his point,

he used photos and he said, these are just, look at the photo, look at the crowds.

Look at the crowds.

There were crowds of Jewish people at a funeral.

Look at that.

Look at what they're doing.

That's irresponsible.

Yet, those pictures were from 2006.

What is happening to our religious freedom around the country?

A guy who really can help us answer that question, who fights it every single day, is Kelly Shackelford.

He's the president and CEO of First Liberty Institute and chief counsel of First Liberty Institute.

It's been in front of the Supreme Court over and over again.

Let me just start with the cases up in

California and in New York about religious freedom.

Kelly.

Glenn, thanks for having me on.

Yeah,

we're in a real battle.

I don't know if everybody remembers back, but when this whole thing started with the pandemic, we realized this is really going to be a fight because we've never had any constitutional law in a pandemic, right?

I mean,

there's no cases.

And everybody was seeing these pictures of like the guy throwing a baseball with his kids being handcuffed in his children because he was in a park.

And the guy guy on the beach coming off all by himself on a surfboard, being arrested.

And so, we tried to be really careful about the first case, and we wanted it to be the right one because we're getting all kinds of churches calling us saying, You won't believe what they're doing to us.

And we got what we thought was the right case, and that was in Louisville.

It was a church that was trying to do an Easter service, and they wanted to be together, but they wanted to be safe, so they did a drive-in service in their cars.

Right.

And that was the mayor of Louisville, Kentucky, said that was a crime.

And the governor said they were going to send police officers to every church on Easter Sunday to write down the license plate of any car in any church parking lot.

And those people would be visited by the police, and they would be quarantined to their home for 14 days.

And we went, okay, this is it.

This is China.

You know,

this is the case.

And we filed.

We got a great judge.

We got a great decision.

He said, look, the Constitution is in place in this country.

This country is built on religious freedom.

And we started there, and we've now had about 10 victories in a row.

But what happened is a lot of other lawsuits started getting filed that weren't necessarily as thoughtful, and they created a lot of precedent.

And, you know, Glenn, I've just got to be honest.

We're in a war right now all across the country of whether the government is going to control our churches.

And, you know, until we get something to the Supreme Court, I don't think we're going to have an answer because there are too many bad decisions to join the good decisions that we've won to know what's going to happen.

That is terrifying.

As somebody who

goes to church on Sunday, that is truly terrifying that we are facing a time when the government can tell you exactly what you can and cannot do at church.

It is.

It's, you know, I mean, because look, if we come out of this and the law is that if a government official declares an emergency, then your Constitution's is suspended while the emergency, well, you know, climate change will be an emergency, and I mean, everything will be an emergency, right?

You don't really have any freedoms at that point.

And that's not the way the law is supposed to work.

You had the case, I know you probably even talked about it, the case that came out of Nevada where they were letting the casinos open, but not the churches.

And so, you know, and they wouldn't take it.

The Supreme Court wouldn't take the case.

So I would say two things.

We've got got a great case that we just won last week in Washington DC the first one on behalf of the church in this case the church there they allowed thousands of people the mayor went with them to protest but they would not it was illegal for a church to hold an outdoor church service with the over a hundred people

And so it's just clear hypocrisy.

And so we actually won a federal injunction on Friday of last week, and we're hoping we can get that to the Supreme Court, but we've got to get the right case to the Supreme Court.

But also, if Amy Coney Barrett is on the Supreme Court, I feel very strongly about her on religious freedom.

I think we won't have to worry about these closed decisions with Roberts saying that it's okay to open casinos, but not churches.

We'll win these cases.

And so there's sort of a lot going on at the same time.

But I think you have to look at the Amy Coney Barrett thing from a religious freedom standpoint in addition to everything else.

and I think she will be great on religious freedom, which is the timing could not be better.

So, tell me

what her appointment does to the court.

And for instance, if the

Senate and the administration, if they have the House and the Senate and the administration, let's just say that's a landslide for the left.

They are all saying they're going to take guns.

Do we have the votes

now in the Supreme Court to hold to the Second Amendment, the First Amendment?

do we i what's it look like i think i think we do for sure i mean she's she's written a just an incredible dissent on the second amendment already on the seventh circuit she's shown her true colors i mean she she is an originalist she's a scalia she's a she's a don't tell me what the country wants that's not my job my job is to say what does the constitution say what did the founders you know put in place what does it mean you look to the original meaning of the text you look to the original meaning meaning of the statute, not to the PC or whatever people are in favor of.

She would say, just like Scalia, if you want to change laws, then change laws, change the Constitution, but don't ask me to change the Constitution.

And she's very, and it was in a case actually where it was about a situation where kind of the PC position would be, oh, no, you know, God's been in prison, so he shouldn't have a right to

have the firearm once you've been in prison.

And her approach was, well, no, what does the Constitution say?

And here she is dissenting.

She's pretty fearless on following the law.

So I feel really strongly about where she would be.

And again, Roberts has kind of been jumping back and forth on a lot of things recently and has made it sort of a 4-4 with Roberts jumping around.

That would be over if she's on the court.

You'd have five conservatives who really believe you go to the original meaning.

And that's going to really bring us right back to the Constitution and those principles and really the foundations of our country, which I think will be a great thing for our country.

Kelly, what does it mean

when we're looking at a party who says they're going to get rid of the filibuster?

They won't deny that they'll pack the court.

What is this election really about?

It's about, I mean, if people, I don't know if people understand what court packing is, but basically it's when you come in, you say, well, you know, I don't like the fact that there are more conservatives on the court now than there used to be.

And therefore, I'm going to add three, four, five seats to the Supreme Court, which

you'd have to have the House, the Senate, and the presidency.

You'd also have to destroy the filibuster.

But that's what some of the Democrats are talking about doing.

And, of course, what Biden and Harris have not been answering.

That is a decision.

People need to understand this.

That is a decision to destroy the Supreme Court.

Because if you add people to the Supreme Court to have a partisan advantage, then the next party that comes in is going to do the same thing.

So if the Republicans come back, they'll add five or six seats.

The court is no longer a legal body at that point.

It's a political body.

And you have taken the Supreme Court and said it's done.

So people need to understand, I mean, number one, Biden needs to answer this question.

It should be required.

Every voter should say, there's no way you even have a chance.

of being a president unless you answer this question.

If the answer is, I'm going to destroy the Supreme Court,

then unless you're wanting to overthrow the government, at least a third of the government, that's just not a decision I would ever make.

I mean, whatever your beliefs are on these things, the rule of law will be incredible damage.

I don't know what will happen in our country, but it's taking one of the three branches of government and really pretty much putting it underground.

We're talking to Kelly Shackelford, president and CEO of First Liberty Institute.

Kelly, there is a story out.

There's, in fact, two different stories about two different groups.

One of them is Shut Down D.C.,

and they have put out a guide stopping the coup.

Preventing Donald Trump from stealing the election and remaining in office is likely to take mass, sustained, disruptive movements all over the country.

We need to, in order to really win, we need to force some pillars of power, business, military, media, and other major institutions, to decide to side with the people or at least get out of the way.

If everyday life goes on, a despot will not leave power.

There will be no incentive for real systematic changes.

You want to think about what it might take to stop business as usual.

There are these groups that do not believe in the Electoral College, do not believe in the court system, do not believe in the American Constitution that I can find.

And they are saying they want to overthrow these things.

They want the destruction.

Can you tell me where the legal definition of insurrection kicks in?

Well, I mean, that's definitely it.

I mean, if those things happened,

I did see the president comment on this, and he said those if that happens after the election, that will be shut down, you know, immediately.

Now, we'll see.

I hope so.

We've had 21 different presidents use

the power they have under the Insurrection Act to actually do that.

I think President Trump has been trying to respect federalism at some sort and also not

they want to make him a dictator, so I didn't think he wants to walk into looking like that.

So he's been incredibly restrained, I think, on what he's done in these situations like in Seattle and all these.

But I think if it's after the election and that's attempted, I think he'll exercise the power that he should, that any president should, to put any of that down.

I hope and I I pray that it would.

Nobody in the country really, I mean,

this is a lunatic fringe in our country, and they shouldn't be allowed to roam free and engage in violence and looting and all this thing.

I don't think the American people,

I think they've had enough of that, so much so that the Democrats have even a little bit started to back away, even though

some of their base wants them to not do so.

Kelly, thank you so much.

Are you foreseeing any problems with Barrett's confirmation?

Not yet.

I I mean, it's bizarre the approach that is being taken, which is to say that she's going to, that if Barrett's appointed to the court, that she's going to take everybody's health care away.

It's just,

you just, I just, sometimes I'm amazed.

Do they think people are that stupid?

I mean,

it's just a bizarre argument.

I mean, the case they're talking about that's up there, Amy Coney Barrett hasn't.

has never talked about any of the issues in that case.

It's about severability, a lot of other things.

The odds are huge that that case won't strike down the ACA in a non-severable way.

So all of it's false and it has really nothing to do with her, but they've just decided that's their best political issue is the issue of health care.

And so they're seeing if they can scare people by saying if you allow her on the court, you'll all lose your health care and you'll die of the coronavirus.

And I'm like,

Do you think people are that stupid?

I don't think they are.

You know, I don't think they are either, but I'm beginning to wonder.

You know what?

We'll find out in November.

We'll find out on November 3rd.

Thank you so much, Kelly.

I appreciate it.

Thank you, Glenn.

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There's so much to talk about, and we're really just kind of staying focused today on the confirmation hearing of Amy Coney Barrett, which I think seems to be going really well.

I mean, she just seems bulletproof.

So far, and it doesn't seem like there's really anything being fired.

I swear yesterday they just took this approach of, well, we have a lot of people watching.

Let's just make generic election arguments

with a big audience.

And instead of trying to take down Amy Coney Barrett, let's just try to win this election, which is a bizarre.

I mean, usually they have some trickery.

I am not sleeping on this.

I still assume something creepy.

Something's creepy.

Something is going to happen.

I mean,

I mean, they haven't even accused her of gang rape yet.

I know.

It's weird.

They know this is a Supreme Court hearing.

It's like, what do they know that we don't know?

You know what I mean?

It's a really weird thing.

You know, I have six seconds left.

I could at least do this.

Here's Biden yesterday.

Confidence, you know, calling Romney, who he couldn't remember a Mormon.

Listen to this.

If you may remember, I got in trouble when we were running against the senator who was a Mormon.

Mormon.

The governor, okay?

Governor.

He was.

No.

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Oh, yes, I was there for Indigenous Day.

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Well, hopefully things will get better and we'll have some more common sense and stability once we have Barrett and this confirmation hearing behind us and she is on the Supreme Court.

Things seem to be going well.

There's no gotchas here and she is just cool, calm, and collected.

It ain't over yet.

They've only done two hours on 11 hours of her just having to sit there and look at people like, oh yes, no, I really respect what you're saying because you really understand what I do for a living.

I don't know how they sit through it, but we're going to actually go for a flashback on Clarence Thomas

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Just look at my record and my judicial record.

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Also, there's some good news.

If you want to try to teach your kids about Ben Franklin, and I mean the little kids, about Ben Franklin or Ann Frank, there are two new books out by our good friend Brad Meltzer, and he joins us now.

Hello, Brad.

Good to hear your voice, my friend.

Good to hear you.

How are things?

Nothing going on in the world.

How about you?

You know what?

It's so hard to find things to talk about.

You know, what's crazy is, you know, we plan these books two years in advance.

And here we are talking about, you know, tearing down a statue of Abraham Lincoln.

And we've got a book on Ben Franklin and the founders.

And

a report comes out last week that says millennials don't know the basic facts about the Holocaust.

And we have a book on Ann Frank.

And I'm like, sometimes the universe produces the heroes you need.

It's not the heroes you want, but it's heroes that you need.

Yeah,

it's amazing.

I really have found divine providence in some of the stuff that we've done.

I just put out the book arguing with socialists, and then this summer hit.

It's like, wow.

Exactly.

I think you get what you need.

Yeah.

Holy cow.

So, Brad,

tell me about the books.

This is part of your Xavier Riddle and the Secret Museum series.

That's on PBS.

I wanted to carry that so badly on the blaze, but I'm not rich enough for Brad Meltzer's program.

Listen, we've done our shows, and I love you for it.

As you know, I started writing these kids' books because I wanted to give my kids better heroes to look up to and give them heroes who could teach them kindness and compassion and character.

And again, look at the world.

Anti-Semitism is at its 40-year high.

Our kids need hope right now.

And the best way to teach that is with Anne Frank, the little girl who hides from the Nazis in an attic and still believes that people are good at heart.

And I want my kids to know that even in the darkest places, you can still find light.

That's what hope is, Glenn, right?

It's like a fire that burns within you.

And when you put it on, nothing puts it out.

And I need my daughter to have that lesson.

I need my sons to have that lesson.

So I am M.

Frank is that illustrated kids' book to teach hope for our kids right now.

And I am Benjamin Franklin.

Yeah, Benjamin Franklin, we all know the stories of him with electricity, great experiments.

But to me, his greatest experiment is the experiments that he does on himself.

He actually spends his whole life trying to improve himself.

He even has rules.

You and I have talked about him privately, like him and George Washington have rules to live by.

His rules are, one, be frugal.

Don't spend money you don't have.

Two, tell the truth.

Three, work hard.

And four, don't speak badly about other people.

Look at the world right now where they're tearing down the founding fathers.

You know, oh, this, you know, Ben Franklin owns slaves.

And I'm like, yes, but he also at the end of his life was the president of an organization that stood against slavery.

So how do you say he's bad?

Or is he good?

Or is he just complicated like all of us?

And our kids need that lesson that rather than pointing fingers at everyone else, Ben Franklin knew if you want to change the world, you start with yourself.

And it moves out from there rippling outward.

He was phenomenal.

Can you think of anyone alive today?

I mean, I think one of the most impressive people alive today that would fit in the founding era would be maybe Elon Musk.

Do you know any?

And he would be.

That's the breath of ideas, 100%.

Ben Franklin, I mean, you know, it was one of the hardest books to write because it's a kids' book.

Obviously, we're trying to entertain and educate your kids and give them values.

But I'm like, do I talk about electricity?

Do I talk about his inventions?

Do I talk about the science he does?

Do I talk about the greatest experiment, the American experiment?

He literally edits the Declaration of Independence, and George Washington, I mean, George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, writes the first draft, gives it to Ben Franklin.

And we showed this in the book.

Ben Franklin is like, hmm, this part you have here, we hold these truths to be sacred and undeniable.

What if we change it to this?

We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal.

That's Benjamin Franklin's edit, and I need our kids to see that.

That is how you teach your kids to be great Americans.

I have an 1836, or is it no, it might be 1826, version of the Declaration of Independence first draft.

Have you ever seen it?

Have you ever seen that?

You and I, when we were to get one, when we were together last time, I almost jumped the desk for the key.

It is killing me that I haven't seen it.

I have been to the National Archives in their secret private room where I saw their copy.

So you've seen the first draft.

Have you ever read it?

I've never seen the first draft, yes.

I couldn't, no.

I couldn't read it.

I mean, I've read online the translations of it, and you can see the edits that change in there.

Right.

And

the third page, I urge you to go back and read the third page.

The longest usurpation or the longest

problem that

they had with the king was his treatment of African Americans and Africans as slaves.

And it is a whole paragraph on it.

And

Thomas Jefferson writes it.

His handwriting changes.

He capitalizes words like men when he's calling, you know, and then he puts these men up for auction on the auction block.

I mean, it's phenomenal and completely changes.

I got to go back.

I have to go back.

I mean, and the thing about Ben Franklin is, you know, when I get my edits back from my editor and I'm always like griping about them, I'm like, Ben Franklin's editing Thomas Jefferson at the height of his powers.

I can't complain about that anymore.

And the thing about the thing about Franklin, just to go back to your Elon Musk comment, is he does it his whole life.

One of the great stories that my kids reacted to is: Franklin's a little boy.

And when Benjamin Franklin's a little boy, he used to love swimming.

And he realizes if you have bigger hands and bigger feet, you can move faster in the water.

You can paddle faster.

So he makes these homemade, like kind of oven myths, big myths, and then he puts them on his feet too, like flippers.

And he starts flying through the water.

This is as a little kid.

And my youngest, who's very creative and likes to color and play Legos, I'm like, I need you to see what you can do when you unleash creativity.

That's what Ben Franklin gives us.

Wasn't there a story about him getting in trouble?

Because he was always in trouble, I think, as a kid.

And he was like

damming up a river or something.

He was taking rocks and damming up a river.

And that's when finally

his parents, I believe, said, You're going to work.

You're going to work.

And sent him to a river.

He sent him to work as a kid.

The thing that he does also by a river is he runs his he runs his kite by the river.

And there's a kite.

Again, you know what he does later in life with a guy, little boy, runs the kite on the river.

When it goes in the air, he jumps in the river, ties it around his waist to test the theory that it will pull him across the lake, which it does.

And as you said, soon after that, the parents are like, this is what a blacksmith is.

Get to work.

You know, like they started taking him to work.

But it, you know, again,

we spend so much time as a culture right now arguing about our founding fathers, arguing over World War II, arguing over the Civil War.

And we have to remember that our kids see these arguments.

And we have to remember that if we don't, you know, it's not your school's job to teach your kids the values that you want.

It's your job.

You got to do it.

I'd wish the school did it too, but we have to be in control.

of making sure that our kids see the American history and the amazingness and the beauty of it, to see the hope of Anne Frank in the lowest moment in life and still says, you know what, I believe in good.

Because there is something to that.

And there is something to each one of these heroes.

And I love that this series helps us, you build libraries for your kids, your grandkids, your nieces, your nephews at this time when history feels like it's under siege.

You know, I think it really does our kids an injustice to, you know, I'm a huge fan of Winston Churchill.

And

Churchill led this amazing life.

But if you read the

biographies of Churchill from the Indian perspective, he's a bastard.

He's really

a bad guy.

Is he good?

Is he bad?

Or is he complicated like the rest of us?

And if we can't just go in and say, you know, here's my belief.

If you're looking for perfection, everyone fails.

The only thing perfect is God.

Everyone else, take a number.

And by not teaching that, by not showing our kids that they are flawed individuals, we set them up for a life of misery because 100%.

And that's the problem is what we do is we are wholly like, listen, there are voices that have been marginalized that need to be told, like you just said.

Look at Native Americans, look at Indigenous people, look at what Winston Churchill does.

That's the bad side.

Does also amazing things.

But every book we do, when when we do I am Abraham Lincoln, we show you eight elections that he loses.

When George Washington goes, we show you him losing his first election.

That doesn't show weakness.

It shows your kid how to get back up again.

And when you do that for your kid with our I am series, that's how you teach your kids to fly.

Brad Meltzer thank you.

I'm so proud to be a friend of yours, and I just am such a big fan.

And it's always a pleasure to have you on.

I'd like to speak to you off-air here in the next couple of days.

I'm launching an education series and we're going to have just great teachers teach certain things and I'd love to invite you to be one of the first teachers to.

I would love it.

We're doing with Sandra Day O'Connor with Justice O'Connor's organization iCivics asking kids for their best ideas to change the world.

You know, it's the Ordinary People Change the World series.

This is called Ordinary Kids Change the World.

And Justice O'Connor has been amazing to doing an actual gift.

to the kids that win to help them change the world.

So whatever you need in education, I'm your man.

And let me just say this.

Thank you for giving me, since the start of my career, so many chances, but to give kids history.

You've always been the biggest proponent of these books, and I can't thank you enough.

Oh, Brad, you're too kind.

Thank you very much.

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You know, I think it's, you know, when Leahy was asking about the efforts to recriminalize homosexuality to Amy Coney Barrett.

I think that's on the top of everybody's mind.

You know, I think everybody is, that's what everybody's talking about.

Gee, if we could just throw homosexuals in jail.

It's on the verge of happening at any moment.

At any moment.

At any moment.

That was like when, and he's up for re-election now, so I know it was six years ago, but when they just out of nowhere came out and they were just like,

Corey Gardner is going to ban birth control.

And we're all just like, wait, what?

Like, ban birth control.

Who the hell is talking about banning birth control?

There's literally no,

that's not happening.

Sarah, do you still have in the archives that ad

about banning birth control?

Look for it.

Yeah, it was unbelievable.

Now they're talking about banning Obamacare.

But I want to give you something that I found at cms.gov, that's Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services.gov.

Okay.

The U.S.

Census Bureau just released their annual report on the health insurance coverage in the United States, which shows the number of uninsured Americans rose from 2017 to 2018.

As usual, critics of President Trump have been quick to blame the administration's health care policies for this increase.

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As a result, when President Trump took office in 2017, average individual health market insurance premiums in states using healthcare.gov had already doubled compared to what it was in 2013, the year before Obamacare's main regulations took effect.

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This is a total disaster.

And you know how you know that is because every Democratic candidate ran against it.

Yes.

I mean, even Joe Biden, who was the only one who would stand on stage and actually defend Obamacare in words, was still proposing a massive series of changes to it because it was failing so many people.

And somehow,

the guy who was at least partially responsible for Obamacare is now the nominee.

Yeah.

And running against.

the Obamacare that we have now.

Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

Well, they didn't do anything.

They didn't do anything.

Right, because this was supposed to work, right?

Remember that?

Or was this designed to fail from the beginning, Joe?

I doubt that.

So you could have a host who was saying that at the time.

I remember saying that this was actually designed to fail and that they'll come back very quickly with a much bigger government program.

Do you remember hearing any host say that over and over and over and over again back in 2008, 2009?

Or no?

No, I remember that guy who was saying that there was going to be uprisings and the Islamists, the communists, the anarchists.

That guy's annoying.

Yeah.

That guy's annoying.

We'll join together to overthrow the stability of the United States and the Western world.

Remember him?

Oh, I do remember that.

Oh, he was so wrong.

How crazy is it that you're seeing normal political rallies spiced in with violence from the left constantly?

Constantly.

Whenever people are marching for their right to open their business, there's a left-wing group that's there to

burn things down, to break windows, to shoot people and kill them because they are wearing a red hat or whatever.

He was a security guard.

He has no.

Oh, is he you're acting as if this is the only instance?

No, I know the most recent instance.

No, I know.

But it is not, it's been pretty, pretty regular occurrence in these.

And yet the media refuses to cover things, refuses to tell the truth about things.

I mean, Kyle Rittenhouse is a household name.

That guy was attacked.

He was attacked.

He only fired after they were coming after him with a hammer and a gun.

But the other guy, who I don't even know their name because it's not a household name, because nobody's really reporting on it,

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And he was a child molester, right?

The guy that ridden the house.

Oh, yeah.

He had some sexual assault history.

Yeah.

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There's a couple of things going on that are a big news.

Stu and I were just, I was giving him an update.

He's been gone for the last couple of weeks due to a COVID scare.

Everybody in the family is fine, though, right?

We're fine.

We did all have it.

It was, but it was.

You did have it, too?

Oh, yeah, we did have it.

We all tested positive.

I thought you didn't.

My first test was negative, but then I did test positive a couple times after that.

Was it like the plague?

I mean, did you lose limbs?

We did not.

How many family members did you lose?

In this particular instance, none.

None.

However, we were all asymptomatic.

Basically, it was

nothing at all for us, thankfully.

I know that's not the case for everybody, but

it's bad.

When older people get it, it's bad.

And

we have to pay attention to those people.

But most people now that are getting it, it's very, very weak if you do get it.

And

maybe the time to get it is right now with a weaker strain.

Maybe.

I don't know.

Yeah, I don't know.

I mean, I think we're also getting a lot better at handling it.

I think, you know, we're getting to the point now where the death rate is about half of what it was.

We're not freaking out by it anymore.

It's not, we know, we know enough to treat it.

Still dangerous, still significant, and still a big threat.

I mean, we're still, you know, seven, eight hundred people a day are still dying on average, but that, you know, it's a lot, that's down quite a bit from 3,000.

Yeah.

So

hopefully we're on the right side.

Did you blame Trump?

Oh, yes, I did.

You did.

I did.

I mean, I got it on the same day.

I assume it was his fault.

Well, probably was.

Probably was.

Did you see the new study out that says most people who are getting it, like, what is it, two-thirds of the people who are getting it

wore masks?

Oh, yeah.

I think they're getting it from the masks.

So it was a self-reported study.

So people saying they wore them all the time, whether that's true or not.

But I think it was 85%.

I think it was 85%.

Now, of course, there's mandates all over the place.

So you have no choice but to wear it.

Most people are not wearing it right.

I mean, it's down below their nose most times.

I mean,

Joe Biden took his mask off to cough.

I saw that.

Into his hand.

Yeah.

Do we have that video?

This is the craziest thing.

Takes his mask.

Everyone's included on the deal.

He's wearing it below his nose anyway.

The kinds of investment.

He takes it down to cough.

Now, by the way, he's wearing mirrored sunglasses and a mask.

He could have a stand-in at this point.

We can't see his eyes.

We can't see his face.

We can't see his expression.

It could be a stand-in, a voice impersonator.

That's what they should do.

They should come up with one of those face shields.

They have those face shields that have little pretty designs on them.

You could give him the mask, the sunglasses, the face shield.

You could maybe tint the face shield enough.

You wouldn't even know who's there.

You wouldn't know it.

We wouldn't know it.

You just run a tape.

If I were them,

that's a good strategy for the Biden campaign.

It is.

He is

not doing real well.

Let me just give you an update quickly, and then I want to talk about the polls.

An update on two stories that I read

today.

First of all, I don't know if you've seen

the news story from Ann Magazine.com about the coup plotters.

that considered never allowing Trump to be inaugurated.

This comes from a former senior Department of Defense official

and said, in the wake of Donald Trump's surprise victory in November 16th, a national intelligence estimate was rushed through, pushing the false Russian collusion narrative and asserting, as the judgment of the intelligence community as a whole, that Russia had not only interfered in the election, but had done so in order to assist Donald Trump and help him become president.

Now, we know that none of that was true.

We also know that the Obama administration knew that wasn't true at the time.

Not just the administration, Obama himself knew.

According to this senior Defense Department official, they were working on

the idea that they would

not

allow the president to become president.

All work at the NIE was done at top secret level with only a handful of individuals having access to what was written.

Objections to the conclusions reached were dismissed on the basis that Mr.

Brennan, Mr.

Comey, and Mr.

Clapper had personally written the NIE findings and recommendations and would handle all interagency input themselves.

There was no room for any discussion.

On November 10th, the senior official speaking received a phone call in his office at the Pentagon on a secure phone.

The call was from the Department of Defense Undersecretary's office that coordinated attendance and participation in interagency meetings at the White House.

The call concerned planning for a short fuse interagency meeting at the White House.

It was explained that the new committee was being formed to finalize and establish the timeline and storyline connecting Russia with the election of Donald Trump.

During the phone call, it was explained to the source that one of the committee's taskings was a plan to delay and/or reschedule the inauguration.

At one point, there was significant discussion of the possibility of simply not handing over the presidency to Donald Trump.

This is wild.

Crazy.

So there has not been a peaceful transfer of power.

They did not transfer the power.

They did everything they could to attempt a coup on Donald Trump, and I think they're trying to do it a second time.

Now, there's also another story.

We've been telling you about the

election integrity project

to make sure that there's a transition.

I think it's transition integrity project.

And it's to make sure that this all happens.

The guy who is running that is in the news today because it looks like Durham's investigation is taking to his doorstep.

Do you remember the

story about Donald Trump had a computer that was hooked to a bank and it was constantly pinging back and forth.

Yeah, I do.

Okay, apparently, some of the stuff in the Clinton documents that were released by WikiLeaks now have become available and now are playing a role in the Russia collusion investigation on Hillary Clinton.

That guy was working for Hillary Clinton at the time.

That's the ones that are running the Transition Integrity Project now.

They believe that he may have

been the source of hiring people to

get a computer, ping the bank, and then tie it all to Donald Trump.

That that too was a setup inside the Clinton campaign, and the guy who did it, they're now investigating, they think might be the guy who's running the transition integrity project.

Incredible.

This is nuts.

This is absolutely nuts.

Democrats have this thing where they say they're

the peaceful transition of power, but never seem to actually execute that.

Whenever they lose, they complain about it every time.

They say there's all sorts of conspiracies.

They're doing things like this that are above and beyond anything we've seen publicly.

And then Donald Trump has the reverse where

he never actually says that he's a transition of

power.

He never publicly comes out and cheers it on like everybody else does, but there's no evidence that he's actually subverting it.

Right.

Like, I'd much rather have a guy who comes out and says, look, I want to wait for the election results to come in.

And then when they come in, he's fine, as opposed to someone who is doing what the Democrats are doing, which is they all say, of course, we're going to respect this election until the election happens and they lose it, and then they don't respect it at all.

But are they going to lose it?

You've been looking at the polls.

The polls are

not good for Donald Trump.

I mean, we're running out of time here, right?

You know, there's three weeks until this election.

Three.

Three weeks till the election from today, right?

Isn't that three weeks from today?

It It is three weeks from today.

Three weeks from today is this election.

And, you know, look, the polls don't look great.

I mean, you know, I will say you looked, a lot of people talked to me as we went through the summer, and I made this argument many times that it's a weird year, right?

It's COVID.

No one's thinking about the election.

You know, then you have the convention, and we get into the debates, and then people will start to focus and kind of make their choice.

And what's happened is the highest profile moment for Donald Trump to change an election that had been really consistent, which was a moderate lead for Joe Biden, was the first debate.

And the first debate, you know, whether you think he did well or I think he did well, you know, the voters so far in the polls are saying he didn't do that well.

And since that, he's really lost three or four points since then.

And most of these national polls are showing him down by 10 or 12 points.

Now, do I think he's going to lose by 10 or 12 points?

No, I do not.

But he's got

a lot of room to make up in a very short period of time, including, you know,

eight digits have already voted.

And we're talking over 10 million people have already voted.

So help me out with this because there's something, and this has never happened before, but it's a weird year.

It could happen this time.

For instance, there's three things, and this is really pointed out by Byron York, and he said, sure, you look at the polls, but let me show you some other things.

From Gallup, last week or early this week, it came out that Gallup did a a poll.

Are you better off now than you were four years ago?

In 1984, that number was 44%.

1992, it was 39%, and that was a change.

In 2004, they stayed 47%.

2012, it was 45%, and they changed.

Today, it's 56%.

Are you better off today than you were four years ago?

That plays a role in this.

Also, Trump's job approval rating

is

not horribly underwater like you would

expect.

Then there's the news about

some critically important states, Republicans, are signing up in record numbers.

New voters, and the voter registration rolls are going down with Democrats in record numbers.

Yeah, I think both sides can find things to find positive parts to argue here.

I would just say that this is it.

If you are passionate about this and you feel like, am I going to volunteer that extra day?

The answer is you should.

Because

if you're under the impression, and I see it a lot in conservative media, that Donald Trump's going to have this gigantic victory and he's going to win 45 states

and the liberals are going to be crying that next day.

If people don't get out and do everything they can, that is not going to occur.

I have never,

I don't think I've ever made a political donation.

I don't want to make political donations.

My wife has from time to time.

My wife and I both made a major contribution to the re-election campaign, putting our money where our mouth is.

I had it directed towards not only right now, but also for the lawsuits.

The GOP is going to be underwater and way behind and not have money to fight these lawsuits.

And they need the money right now to be able to do that.

This is all hands on deck.

If you have thought, well, I don't know, my vote doesn't count.

Yes, it does because they're going to challenge it with the popular vote.

I don't care if you're in California or New York.

You've got to go out and vote.

You have to go out and vote.

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I'd like to say welcome back to Stu, but he's depressing the snot out of me.

I only do that in commercial breaks.

Yeah, I know.

I mean, and

the reason why it's depressing is because I know it's true.

The president is in real trouble trouble this election.

Yeah, look, he needs his people to get out there and do everything that they can to win this election if he's going to hold on to office.

I think there's a temptation to say, okay, well, 2016, you know, the polls said Hillary was going to win and Hillary didn't win.

Well, you know, first of all, polling error famously bounces back and forth from one side to another.

You know,

it favored Republicans, as we all remember, in 2016, it favored Democrats in 2012.

I mean, Romney's polls going into the night of election, of the election, were better than Trump's were in 2016.

But the polling error bounced to Obama's side in 2012.

In the Trump election, it bounced towards him, but only by a few points.

And remember, this is a very close election.

So think about,

I'm not trying to make excuses for the president here, but think about...

what the guy is trying to achieve here.

He came in in a very close election.

He's had an unlimited battering by the media that no president, going back even to Reagan, who I thought never get worse than Reagan or Bush, he's taken that.

Then as he's coming towards election, in what would have probably been a tight election anyway, we get hit with a pandemic that destroys the economy, which is a lot of people.

I know it's not believing God.

Exactly.

I just believe in God.

I just, I know.

And that's.

I mean, he is up against the wall.

But here's the good news.

Next week, the CERN Super Collider.

Yes.

Next week, they're going to do an experiment and try to open a black hole.

A lot of people think that's bad because it could open up and swallow the world.

Yeah.

I personally am rooting for the black hole.

Okay.

Okay.

And that happens next week.

Can they wait like four weeks to do this?

Just to make sure?

Yeah.

Yeah.

You know what's you know what they're actually doing?

They believe this will be, if successful, it will be first contact with a parallel universe.

I mean,

is this realistic?

I think

it's from the science magazine.

It's from CERN.

It's from CERN.

I mean, that's what they're really trying to do.

Isn't that crazy?

Yes, it's crazy.

I mean, and we're not, nobody's talking about it.

No, it's not.

Hey, by the way, next Tuesday, they're opening up a black hole, you know, there in Europe.

Yeah, but have you heard what the media has been saying?

I mean,

we found out that we have spaceships from aliens, and now they're opening a black hole.

Nobody cares.

Is the Glenn