2020 Vice Presidential Debate: Special Coverage

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Holy cow, I don't know about you, but I didn't feel comfortable with just the plexiglass.

So I have been sealed in our isolation chamber and I, of course, have been wearing the mask.

But now that the debate is over, I think it's safe enough to come on out and

talk a little bit about the most important debate in the history of the world.

We've got some great guests, including Don Jr., joining us in just a minute.

Hello, America, and welcome to Blaze TV's coverage of the vice presidential debate.

My commentary, I'm going to give you just a few highlights.

Then we have Don Jr.

going to be joining us from Dallas in just a minute.

Also, Dave Rubin.

Oh,

Don's ready to go.

I thought we would have to stall for a few minutes, but he's ready to go.

Donald Trump Jr.

Before I say anything, let me get your reaction.

What did you think?

Man, he just destroyed her, and he did it with a smile on his face.

He had an answer for everything.

He called out the lies when it was appropriate.

He kept his cool.

He pointed out to the, you know, the cold, hard facts of Joe Biden's failed 47 years in the Washington, D.C.

swamp.

He called out Kamala Harris's disastrous Uber leftist record in the Senate and the disaster that that would mean for the American people.

And he did it with a smile on his face.

And you can see just the cringe

on that, just the least authentic person in probably American politics, if not just America, period.

Kamala Harris.

And she's just getting destroyed by this guy who just did it in the nicest possible way.

It was amazing.

I will tell you, she is

in a very short burst, she seems likable.

But the longer you watch her, the more unlikable if I saw her one more time say, I'm speaking.

I'm speaking.

Yeah,

she tries to do the like, I'm cute thing, but she overplays it.

You know, it's sort of like the fake laugh when she laughs for no reason and you have that cackle.

So when she's laughing at something that's not a joke, that only she finds funny, that no one else is in on.

I mean, there's really like, there's a failure of personality there that's truly sad.

It's, it's sort of embarrassing to watch.

And, you know, I think a lot of that was present tonight.

But I think more importantly, her refusal to answer real issues,

the gibberish she gave us about what they would do about China and holding them accountable.

And Joe's dismal record.

in China where he sent American jobs abroad for decades.

The fact that she wouldn't answer the question about stacking courts, which obviously means that's totally their plan.

They're just not going to say it because it would be negative for them.

But if they don't give an answer,

at least then when they do it, they can say it's not a lie.

So, you know, I think all of that has been exposed, and the hypocrisy of the Democrat Party has been exposed.

And honestly, I think she was just a charitable choice for BP, and tonight's performance shows just that.

Yeah, well, Mike Pence did, I thought, an exceptional job holding her feet to the fire and still

being kind and gentlemanly

in his responses.

I will tell you,

the thing that I liked about Mike Pence,

and I thought she did a horrible job on this, was the economy.

There was just no credibility coming from, and I wanted Pence to say, I want somebody to say,

You guys said this is as good as it's ever going to get.

We could never create any more jobs.

You mocked Donald Trump for saying he was going to create.

You said it was impossible.

Now we're expecting you to grow it?

There's no magic wand for that.

Obama,

so he actually brought it up.

My pet definitely brought it up.

But

that's the problem.

The media will say, oh, they did a great job growing jobs.

They inherited, they got an economy as it just started an uptick from one of the biggest recessions we've seen.

A monkey doing nothing would have seen growth that they saw.

It didn't take anything to actually see growth.

But if their economy was so good and they claimed it was for eight years because of their policies, how come Donald Trump was able to make it skyrocket the second he took over?

I mean, it literally on November 9th, 2016, before he even took office, but when America knew that Donald Trump had won, when small business and big business alike realized that the person in the White House for the next four years would not be anti-business, would not be for excessive regulation, would not be for excessive taxation.

That's when the market started skyrocketing.

I mean, Obama gets credit for sort of the period between election day and when my father took office at the inauguration, but consumer confidence went through the roof.

It was like 1,500 points in the market because they finally knew they wouldn't have an enemy in the White House.

I want to play something.

Kamala Harris

said

repeatedly that they would not end fracking.

But

I want to play something from Joe Biden, July 31st, 2019, the Democratic primary debate.

Watch.

You have it?

I don't see it, but I know exactly what you're talking about.

So he says there is no place for any fossil fuels in a Biden administration.

He was very, very clear.

As

Vice Vice President Pence pointed out, it's on their website.

The Green New Deal is on their website.

Yeah, it's one of her number one points.

It's one of his number one points.

But that's the problem, Glenn.

That's sort of what we're up against.

The mainstream media knows that.

They're not as stupid as they seem that they would neglect point number one or point number two of his actual platform on his actual website.

They just know that highlighting it to the people of Pennsylvania, to the people of Ohio and Michigan and Oklahoma and Texas and places all over the country where that is a huge boost for the economy, where that creates lots and lots, thousands and thousands of good paying jobs, they know it would be a disaster

there.

So

and say that he's not against it, even though it's part of his platform.

They will let him have both sides of every argument.

I put up a tweet about it literally during the debate because there are not just one example, there are literally countless examples beyond what's on his actual website beyond what's on his platform where he's literally reassuring people that he's ending this stuff immediately

what does your dad have to do next week and do you think joe biden is going to show up or is he going to use covet as an excuse

you know i don't know i you know i think we got to be able to have a debate where you know joe biden doesn't get to just view lies you know for hours you know talking about fake records i mean they continue to bring up the charlotteville hoax.

Other than the nonsense with Russia collusion, it's literally probably the number two hoax ever perpetrated on the American people as though it's gospel.

The media runs it.

You saw it brought up numerous times last week.

You saw it brought up numerous times.

You know, literally,

they get to say that the week after my father literally signs an executive order declaring the KKK is a domestic terror organization.

But they can run with this stuff.

And that's, again, the deficit that we face is we don't have the luxury or the benefit of having a mainstream media that will function as our marketing department, that will sort of, you know, pretend we didn't do the, you know, just pretend that this is the case, allow us to get away with anything.

We get fact check.

They don't.

Anyone decent, whether it was talking about, you know, Joe Biden and his COVID response, whether the idea of keeping travel open from China, whether it's disastrous policies as it relates to China on a trade perspective, whether it's the disastrous handling of Joe Biden of swine flu back in 2009, where even Joe Biden's own head guy, because Joe Biden had a similar role of Mike Pence in leading the response, said, man, we basically got lucky because it was a disastrous response.

We did everything wrong.

And by the way, they forgot to replenish the PPE after it was over.

No one talks about it, just like they don't talk about Hunter Biden and millions of dollars from China and millions from the Ukraine and millions from a Putin associate in Moscow.

You know, that's okay.

They get a pass for that.

The stuff that they dreamed for years that I was doing, Hunter Biden was actually doing.

And now that the collusion is on the other foot, no one wants to know anything.

But this is what we're up against.

And that's why it's so important for the American people to see it.

So,

but that's difficult because as I was watching this, I was trying to watch this as a low-information voter, somebody who's just watched CNN, MSNBC, generally votes for a Democrat, but doesn't really pay attention.

They're not seeing any of the facts.

How does your father break through?

Because they probably weren't watching tonight.

How does he break through?

I think he has to try with those facts and let them try to contest it later on.

And that's our job to be on the ground, actually bringing that message to the American people.

I mean, that's why I spent my days literally for the last few months traveling the country, averaging four or five states a day.

Because again, we don't have anyone that's going to campaign for us like Joe Biden does.

He has the media that will campaign for him.

He doesn't have to leave the the basement in Delaware, but for once every couple of days, we don't have that luxury.

We actually have to get out there and spread that message.

And then we need our people to organically reach out to their friends, make sure they understand what's at stake, make sure they're getting the true picture of the disastrous policies that would be the radical left agenda that is the Biden-Harris administration, or as Kamala and Joe both referred to it as the Harris Biden administration.

I don't know what it feels like to be you and your family.

I wouldn't trust a single person outside of my own family.

I said today on radio, and I'd like to see if I was even close to accurate.

They said that this

declassifying of this material was the October surprise.

And I said, I don't think that was the October surprise.

I don't think that was intended as the, planned as the October surprise.

I think Donald Trump was pissed that

nobody is doing anything about this.

All of this information is there, and he just trusts the American people.

And he just said, screw all of you.

Release it.

Release it and unredact it so the American people can see it.

Was I right?

You know, I agree.

You know, I haven't spoken to him specifically about it.

I think he's been talking about it for a long time.

And, you know, the reality is this, you see that from the upper echelons of the FBI and the CIA.

And they're trying to pretend that there's some sort of magical trade secrets.

The trade secret is that they were all in on it, Glenn.

The trade secret is that they all knew and they did it on purpose.

Is anyone in the world dumb enough to think that 27 high-level lawyers and prosecutors at the FBI all magically deleted their cell phones by accidentally typing in the wrong password 15 times?

No one's that stupid.

You know, it is truly a sad state of affairs, though, when you have a country like the United States of America in the year 2020, when no one in the supposed free press has any interest in even finding out the truth now.

They're actually rallying against transparency.

They're rallying against transparency.

You would think transparency is sort of part of their job description, but they're rallying against it because they know it hurts the Democrats who are in on it.

They know it hurts these corrupted, criminal bureaucrats at the upper echelon of our intelligence community and our law enforcement community and the FBI.

This stuff would never fly.

If George W.

Bush did this to incoming President Barack Obama, this would make Watergate look like a minor blip in American history.

It does.

And they tried to...

They tried to say the question was, when did the president know and when did he know it?

Or what did he know and when did he know it?

That was the mantra during Nixon.

We now have evidence in documents in their own handwriting that the President of the United States and Joe Biden knew about this, actually orchestrated this hoax

with Hillary Clinton and the help of our intelligence agencies.

And again, no one does anything.

If the president is re-elected,

are we going to see people going to jail jail for this?

Because we don't have a republic.

I sure hope so.

You know, that's the problem is, you know, when they're like, oh, it's your DOJ.

Well, you can appoint someone to run it at the top.

But if the underlings are all Obama holdovers and they're still doing his bidding, it's hard to get things done.

You see that right now.

You see that, frankly,

in many of these institutions where they'll sort of start leaking stuff out.

They'll make bad decisions that they know is against the will of the administration, but they'll put it out because they know it'll do some damage.

And maybe the issue is small enough that it'll skirt under the radar

of the president who's dealing dealing with a pandemic, who's dealing with China, who's dealing with Iran, who's dealing with bigger issues.

And so that sort of systemic in there, I think that's their hope.

I think that's what they're going to try to do.

They're going to try to stall it.

You hear what's going on at the CIA and the people there supposedly trying to stall this information.

Why wouldn't the American people need to know this?

These are American actors colluding with a known Russian spy.

to create a disinformation campaign that the president of the United States and his vice president, who's now running for president of the United States at the top of the Democratic ticket, they all knew.

And we're not supposed to find out before the election.

I think their hope is that, you know, if they can maybe pull off a win, if they can pull the wool over the eyes of the American people and get a win, maybe this can just go away because that's the history.

That's what they've done.

They've taken care of themselves.

And frankly, Glenn, the Republicans are as guilty of it as anyone.

They're more concerned about protecting the institutions of government, despite them being failed, bloated, and corrupted, as evidenced by everything that's gone on over the last 40 years that this has been allowed to happen, that it's gone on unchecked, whether it's my father, whether it's General Flynn, whether it's Chris Wray at the FBI sitting on exculpatory evidence for years while they're trying to take down a three-star general.

This stuff can't keep going on in America.

And if they're not held accountable, I am worried for the Republic.

Don,

you had a fundraiser here in Dallas, and for the first time in my life, I wrote a check for a candidate.

And when I put it into the the hands of the GOP fundraiser, I said, I don't want this going to the GOP.

This needs to go to elect Donald Trump, and the rest of it needs to go to the attorneys that are going to do the actual battle after the election.

I don't trust the GOP, but as a guy who was,

as you know, really not for your father,

I have tremendous respect for him, what he has done.

He is the first president in my lifetime who has actually done all the things that I not only thought he wouldn't do, I don't think any president would do.

And

we have to win.

He's got to be.

I agree.

I appreciate your sore port.

I know that's not easy to understand.

And by the way, as we've discussed,

In 2016, I could actually understand a lot of skepticism.

If you were a conservative, if you were pro-life, if you were pro-religious,

is the brash billionaire from New York, is he really going to fight for you?

Is he really going to go to bat?

Now, in 2020, the answer is unquestionably.

He did it much more so than people who were much more vocal about this issue.

By the way, not only did he do that, he got us out of endless wars.

He's signing peace deals in the Middle East.

He grew the strongest economy has ever known.

He renegotiated failed trade deals that people like Joe Biden, who wouldn't know what to do with a trade deal, you know, if they spent another 50 years working on it because they had no experience outside of government, wherever it gone, he's renegotiated those.

He's got trade deals done even with China and he'll hold them to tap.

He's the guy that can bring us out of this.

He's the guy that can do it again.

And honestly,

I understand the history there, and it means a lot that you understand that and you recognize that, and that you've been, frankly, so open about it because that's not an easy thing to do.

And it's amazing to see.

So we really appreciate it.

Thank you, Glenn.

Thank you very much.

We'll talk again.

And the best to the health of

your father and also Milani and the whole family.

Thank you very much.

All right.

We have Ali Stuckey coming up in just a second.

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Dave Rubin is coming up, but we have Steve Dace coming up.

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Okay.

We have

Allie Stuckey and

we have Steve Dace with us.

Allie, first, let me get your take on

how it went.

What did you think?

I thought Mike Pence did a really good job.

He is

the best surrogate for the Trump Trump campaign that the Trump campaign has.

He does such a good job of remaining calm and self-assured and respectful.

While Kamala Harris is giving her sass the entire time, he remained composed, something that Donald Trump could not do.

Donald Trump just did not have the timing with trying to correct the record against Joe Biden and Chris Wallace, but Mike Pence played it really well.

I actually just saw a tweet that said Kamala Harris spoke for four minutes more in the debate than Mike Pence did, but you wouldn't think that because Mike Pence packed such a punch in every line that he gave.

So I think he did a great job.

Allie, did you feel that way at the beginning?

At the beginning, I was watching Mike and I thought, oh,

he's not really answering the question and he's doing all the typical political, you know, well, thank you.

And well, let me just first say this.

And it seemed smarmy, almost smarmy, just the first couple of answers.

And then all of a sudden he hit

and

it

he was a different guy.

It worked.

Did you feel that way?

There were a couple questions like that.

There was actually one question where he gave like formalities and kind gestures to Kamala the entire answer and he never actually got to respond to what she said.

And like, what are you doing?

That's just unnecessary.

I don't think that it's smarm when it comes to him.

I think that, you know, he seems just just him.

Yeah, it's just who he is.

But those pleasantries certainly were not given by Kamala Harris.

And maybe he would have had a little bit more time to hit back if he didn't do that.

But all in all, I think he did a really good job.

As a woman, how did Kamala Harris look to you?

Because it says she looked condescending.

You know, I like her for about two minutes, and then it just all falls apart on her.

It was the opposite of Mike Pence.

The more time you spend with her, the less you like her.

And the whole, I'm talking.

I'm, excuse me, excuse me, Allie, I'm still speaking.

Okay.

Right.

That was so obnoxious.

Yes, I'm not just a fellow woman.

I am also a woman who portrays my emotions and my reactions on my face and who really has to work on not doing that at times when it's not appropriate.

Sometimes it can be charming and funny when it is appropriate.

A lot of times though, it's just not cute.

It's not appealing.

It's not appeasing to the people who are watching you.

That's how I felt the whole time she was talking because Mike Pence was so respectful and deferred to her so much that her contrast made her look really petty and really insecure.

And to me, it came across as embarrassed.

And then I was embarrassed for her that she was overcompensating by these ridiculous facial expressions.

So I understand the need to communicate sass sometimes, but I also understand that there's a time and a place.

And

tonight was not the time or the place for that SaaS.

Let's go to Steve.

Steve, I want to talk to you before you leave.

I need to talk to you about the latest poll because I want to get your opinion on it.

But I want to first get your

take on

this debate.

Well, Glenn, I didn't come into this the biggest Mike Pence fan.

I thought he really blew it on the religious liberty issue in his state uh as when he was governor his task force has been a disaster with fauci and burks for the white house but i think tonight uh especially the last hour i thought it was one of the most dominant and complete debate performances i have ever seen from a republican on any uh running for any level of office i think he just It was the JV versus the varsity.

He completely outclassed her.

You saw why she couldn't even make it to the Iowa caucuses.

She dropped out two months before they took a single vote in the Democratic primary.

She's just not ready for prime time.

And after he bombed the opening question on coronavirus, he allowed her to get away with the lie that Trump called it a hoax.

That's not true.

Even AP debunked that last week.

He let her get away with it twice.

And I kind of rolled my eyes and thought, here we go.

This is kind of why I've got

a bit of butthurt where Mike Pence is concerned.

But after that answer that Allie just addressed where he wasted too much time

with pleasantries, once he dispensed with that and they got to the issues and the pivot point of this event tonight was that when they pivoted to the economy.

And that answer that he gave on the economy absolutely wrecked the entire Biden campaign message.

And it showed what I've said for years, Glenn.

When elections are about issues, Republicans win.

When they are about personalities, Democrats win.

If this is going to be a referendum on mean tweets and orange man bad, Donald Trump is toast.

If it's going to be a referendum on whose policies are best for the future of the country, then the Biden team is toast.

And it's up to the Trump team to make sure that they are on message so that the debate is about issues.

And it was tonight, and it needs to be next week if they're fortunate to have another one.

I completely agree with you.

The turning point was the second set of questions.

I thought Pence would do a great job on coronavirus because he had the facts.

He was there.

I thought he just blew that.

I was exactly where you were.

I'm like, oh boy, here we go.

And then he hit the economy, and he dragged the economy all the way through the debate.

And it was, to me, it was

so clear the choice.

But let me ask both of you, if you're a low information voter, you're probably not watching this tonight.

But if you were a low information voter and you got your news from the mainstream media,

Why would you believe Mike Pence?

What I thought Mike Pence did well is he made the issues about the people and not himself.

And I think that this is the razor's edge that Donald Trump is always riding, Glenn, in that he has not sold real estate.

Real estate is not what has made Donald Trump a billionaire.

It's selling Donald Trump that has been.

He is the product.

And that's both good and bad.

And I say this as someone who also has, you know, a bombastic personality that can grate on people that should like me.

And I annoy anyway.

So I get it to some extent.

But I think Pence Pence

is not encumbered by the notion, there's more self-awareness there.

He knows that he is not the product.

And I think that he stayed away from rabbit trails that we care about, like Hunter Biden and stuff like that, for the most part.

And he talked about issues that people cared about.

The way that he hammered home, hey, answer the question, are you going to disregard the Constitution and stack the court?

He hammered home issues that actually matter to voters.

And I think sometimes, you know, you see that both sides have their own media bubble and don't often get outside of that and forget about the voters you're talking about.

And that was my frustration when I was down there with you guys last week, is those are the people that are going to decide this now.

And I don't think Donald Trump made himself accessible to those voters at all.

I think tonight Mike Pence did a far better job of that.

So let's go to Cut 28.

Here is Kamala.

Pence is very, very clear.

Are you going to pack the court?

Yes or no?

Cut 28, Kamala skirts that question.

In 1864,

one of the, I think, political heroes, certainly of the president, I assume of you also, Mr.

Vice President, is Abraham Lincoln.

It was 27 days before the election.

And a seat became open on the United States Supreme Court.

Abraham Lincoln's party was in charge not only of the White House, but the Senate.

But Honest Abe

said,

it's not the right thing to do.

The American people deserve to make the decision about who will be the next president of the United States, and then that person can select who will serve for a lifetime on the highest court of our land.

And so Joe and I are very clear.

The American people are voting right now, and it should be their decision

about who will serve on this most important body for a lifetime.

Allie,

is there anyone that talks down to people more than Kamala Harris?

Is it just me?

I felt like, you know who that was.

That was Abraham Lincoln.

I just felt like,

why are you talking down to me?

Yeah, yeah.

She has an issue with that, not just with her words, but with her facial expressions.

And that's exactly why she couldn't even win the primary in her own state.

This is why she dropped out.

I'm watching this.

I actually predicted a couple of years ago.

I predicted, you know, I could see Kamala Harris being the Democratic nominee because of intersectionality.

Then in the primary, I was so wrong.

And I was like, how could I have gotten this so wrong?

And then I was watching the debates and I was like, oh, I remember.

She's so deeply unlikable.

But this part made me laugh out loud.

She stomped her foot and she laughed maniacally.

And then she answered this question while in 1864.

And she thought this was so clever.

I thought this was the most humiliating point of the night.

Worse than Mike Pence's pleasantries, worse than him avoiding the question on coronavirus and maybe missing some punches toward her.

I thought this was humiliating.

I had secondhand embarrassment.

I was laughing out of embarrassment just because of her refusal to answer the question and her answer, which wasn't even a good distraction at all.

It was a terrible choice to tell that story, just a terrible rhetorical choice.

And I think I don't think talking about the voters and what actually appeals to the voters,

I don't think that story of Abraham Lincoln,

I don't think a lot of people were tracking with it.

I think a lot of people were just really confused when she answered the question, Are you going to pack the court?

with, well, in 1864, I think people just lost her.

It wasn't even related to packing the court.

I mean, it was, it was, she came at it and she was so excited.

Oh, I'm glad

you asked about about history.

She, that was a planned answer.

Yes.

Wow.

Wow.

Right.

She was so excited about it because she was going to bring up a Republican that she knew.

I thought it was weird that she said, I know that this is a hero of the president.

Is it?

I just thought that the whole thing was so weird.

But you're right.

The fact that this was pre-planned, she had to look down and read it.

She got together with her staff and was like, This is how we're going to answer.

This is how we're going to answer the court packing question.

But I could tell she was a little bit nervous in saying it.

So maybe she even was self-aware enough to realize how stupid it was.

I don't know.

So you both have said to me that she's deeply unlikable.

I agree.

And the reason why

she couldn't even be

voted for or elected in her own state of California, she couldn't even win.

So why did they pick her?

You know, it's a very good question.

Oh, go ahead.

Go ahead, Ali.

Go ahead.

Oh, I just have a quick, I mean, I think probably partly because of the intersectionality points there and just to be able to have that kind of like identity

stake in this race to be able to say that they have, you know, the first woman of color.

Actually, I don't even, well, yeah, the first woman of color running as the vice presidential nominee.

And so I think that's probably part of why it is.

And maybe to appease the more radical part of the base, they're showing Joe Biden as the moderate and they're trying to appease both sides with Kamala Harris that's probably why they picked her I just want to point out Allie that you are a woman of color you're just not the right color

shade of melanin yeah yes Steve

to go to the Kamala Harris thing I mean first of all She got she called their nominee a racist.

That was her high point of her career.

She got absolutely wrecked by Tulsi Gabbard, a candidate that they want to believe, they want to acknowledge is not even in their party.

That was the last shot we had of her as a candidate.

She had to eject two months before the Iowa caucus has had their first vote.

And she's from a state that if Joe Biden just does this for the next 27 days and never says a word, he's going to win by 30 points.

Other than that, she has a wonderful singing voice and was a tremendous vice presidential nomination.

It's the worst running mate choice any party's made since Dan Quayle.

She added nothing.

Joe Biden was more popular with black voters in their primary than she was.

She added nothing.

And I go to the end of the debate

when they brought up the racialist agenda.

And I have mixed feelings, Glenn, at best with the virtue signaling on prison reform and everything else.

But that should have been in her wheelhouse.

And Mike Pence took her own rhetoric, ripped off her arm, and beat her with it right there on the stage at the end.

And that's amateur out of her.

She's just not good at this.

Okay.

It's just the reality.

I need to end with this question

for you, Steve.

And Allie, thank you so much for staying up and being with us.

But Steve,

I sat with a bunch of political people tonight, and we were talking about how

the Biden campaign's not going door to door.

They're not doing a lot of the stuff that you're supposed to do.

And we sat there and said,

besides the possibility of them just cheating like crazy, do they know something that we don't know?

Every step of the way, it seems like they're out of touch with Antifa and their support for the burning down of cities.

They're out of touch with the Green New Deal.

They don't really have a jobs thing.

They're out of touch with the mandatory masks.

They're out of touch with supporting all of the dictator kind of

moves.

And then they're not doing.

What the hell is, what do they know that we don't know?

Glenn, let me ask you a question.

If you never looked at a single public poll about this election and only surveyed the environment of what was around you, Glenn, what would you think was occurring right now?

I would think this is going to be a landslide for Donald Trump.

Yeah.

And so I think you got to take the polls that are coming from the same media that's lied to you the last few years about russian collusion and what's a gender and what's a border and what's a criminal and i think you need to flush those and then you need to ask you to look at some of the polls that i think have had credibility in the past and look at their methodologies

tell me about rasmussen because that's the poll that came out today rasmussen has always been

leaning trump it's always been the most positive for donald trump What happened?

Now, listen, if Rasmus and his marketing, it worked.

They got me to subscribe to their platinum package so I could finally look at their damn methodology.

All right, because I'm a cheapskate and I don't want to subscribe to anything.

Unless it's Blaze TV, of course.

Right, right.

So I subscribed to Rasmus and looked at their methodology, and I got to their first data point, and I just stopped reading from there.

Because they claim that Donald Trump today in their poll that has Biden winning by 12 points, which by the way would be the most impressive victory for a Democrat presidential candidate against an incumbent president in almost 100 years.

FDR against Hoover.

All right.

So they claim Biden's going to win by 12.

Their first data point, Donald Trump's only going to win 76% of registered Republicans.

Now, he won 88% of them four years ago, Gwen, when guys like you and I sat out and didn't vote for him.

Now, I don't know about you.

I get around the country.

You get around the country a lot more than I do.

I don't know a single damn person.

that voted for Donald Trump last time.

It isn't this time.

I know scores of people that didn't vote last time for him and are this time.

I'm one of them.

I know you're one.

And so the idea that he's going to get a lower percentage of Republican voters is just nuts.

And to put that 76% in context, in the last seven elections, the lowest any Republican has gotten of their own party's vote was in 1992.

George H.W.

Bush got 73%, but he had Ross Perot on the ticket siphoning off his own support.

There is no third-party candidate here.

Donald Trump didn't face a primary challenge like George H.W.

Bush did from Pat Buchanan.

He beat him in the page.

How can they be this wrong this time?

I don't know.

Here's what I know.

What I know is I am coming on you.

I'm coming on.

We're going to do a special show on Blaze TV where I will perform stupid human tricks if Donald Trump only gets 76% of the Republican vote on election day.

That show viewed when it's going to happen.

It's not going to happen.

It's not going to happen.

Not going to happen.

All right.

Thank you both so much.

I appreciate it.

All right.

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Glenn.

Glenn.

I'm happier today.

I don't know if anybody watched it, but I'm happier today than I was a week ago at the

last debate.

I thought it was a bloodbath in favor of Mike Pence.

Your thoughts?

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Well, it's like an episode of Seinfeld.

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Look at the number of people.

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All right.

Come on now.

You've got a very nice tan.

You'll be just fine.

Okay.

As for the debate, I mean, let me be very, very, very clear about one thing here.

I mean, Kamala Harris has got to be the most unlikable vice presidential candidate, perhaps, in all of history.

Certainly in modern times, I can't remember anyone as smug and condescending and belittling, and someone who demands respect instead of earning respect.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The way she turned to the vice president so many times when he barely interrupted.

You know, these aren't debates in the technical way a debate is supposed to be a debate with real back and forth.

They designed these things to not have that.

And this was doubly not that after what happened in the presidential debate.

But, you know, for the little tiny moments where he jumped in, when she would just bite him like that, it's like, man, people do not like that.

And I said this morning on my pre-debate show: all he had to do to win was not fall out of his seat.

And he basically did much more than that because he came off as someone that Trump is 74 years old.

He had coronavirus.

We know he likes McDonald's.

If something happened to the president, we know that Pence proved himself clearly to be able to handle the job and be presidential.

And Kamala, I mean, the endless litany of lies and the very fine people hoax that they just keep jamming down everybody's throat over and over again.

It's unbelievable.

It's just unbelievable.

So did you notice that neither one of them wanted to answer the question, hey, what happens if the old guy dies?

I really thought Pence should just go, look at him.

He just got out of the hospital for coronavirus.

Look at him.

He's going to put me into the grave.

You know, and if he dies, if a president dies, the Constitution spells it all out.

We don't have to have a conversation.

Now, on the other hand,

Joe Biden, I mean,

I was surprised that he didn't take that on because Donald Trump does not strike anybody as 75 years old.

Look, I think we can all agree, you know, that Pence is probably not the funniest guy in the room, you know.

But he had a real, you know, this isn't somebody that works on humor.

He's, he's definitely, you know, pretty scripted.

And I think in this regard, his strength is actually being able to stay on message and kind of clear.

And that's why he won.

But I agree, if he would have just done something a little kind of sly, maybe with like a little bit of a wink, and just been like, you know, Trump just walked out of the hospital.

He says he feels better than he has in 20 years.

I think we're going to be okay.

I actually think that would have shown a little more humanness with Pence because that is his one thing.

That the stiffness with him,

I think, is off-putting to some people.

But that aside, I think he completely mopped up this debate.

Oh,

he seemed to have the facts and he kept to the economy, which is is really what the average person cares about.

When you look, and I asked this earlier of Don Jr.,

the beginning of the debate, I thought, oh, Pence is going to look smarmy and just like, you know, a typical politician.

You know what I mean?

Where he's just like not really answering the question and, well, thank you for inviting me and thank you.

And, you know, let me tell the American people.

And I thought, oh, my gosh, the first five minutes minutes was just I thought it was gonna be a horror show then it changed

do you think people who

are like what you used to be like where you you I mean a long time ago you were you know crazy leftist but you're you you know you're not

I can't deny it right I know but you're but you you five years ago or however long it was, you started to ask questions.

And I think a lot of people are asking questions on the right and the left.

Do you think there was a clear choice

or do you come to this with the bias of your own side?

Well, I would say more than anything else, it depends where you get your news from because we are in a reality war.

Why is it, why is it that Joe Biden can tell you he launched his campaign because of very fine people on both sides in Charlottesville, and then Kamala Harris can repeat that tonight.

Everyone knows it's a lie, but when I say everyone, it's only everyone if you watch The Blaze, if you watch shows like mine on YouTube, wherever, if you watch alternative media, you might see that right before Trump said very fine people on both sides, he condemned the neo-Nazis and the white supremacists.

And he was talking about people on both sides of the monument debate and what you should do with monuments and statues.

The idea of the question really of, well, can you move people depending on where they're at beforehand?

well it really is completely a function of what they're watching and what they're listening to and I'm thrilled to say I know the Blaze has absolutely been killing it which is which is why we upped our relationship and what we're doing together and voices like ours are starting to come through and you know I played the the clip on my show and I just tweeted it out of Trump saying the thing about very fine people on both sides and I tag Jake Tapper and I'll tag all of these sien gun guys guys do your job so that we don't have to but you're not only burning down your own industry, you're burning down the Democrats alongside of you.

And you guys all are Democrats.

It's like, just do a little bit better, and then a lot of us would have to work much harder, I think.

Let me ask you the question that I asked

the last two.

What the hell do they know that we don't know?

They are just marching down this crazy left road.

It's coming unraveled at some point.

If Donald Trump wins again, it's all coming undone for them.

And they're not doing, they're not canvassing, they're not going door to door.

What is it that they know?

They're so confident.

What is it?

Do they believe the polls or do they know something we don't know?

You know, these guys, and I know this from my days as a lefty, they always double down.

When they're proven wrong by something, they use that as proof that they're right, actually.

So it's like if Donald Trump is president right now, which last I checked he is, you would think that they would have done an autopsy last time, four years ago, and say, is there something we did wrong here with the messaging?

Maybe calling half of America racists and bigots and homophobes wasn't the best idea.

But instead, what they did was they doubled down on it.

So I think, and by the way, this is very much a function.

function of what critical race theory does.

You know, it's not just that you can be non-racist, you have to be anti-racist.

You always double down on everything.

And because they've gone so deep in that, and that of course was also the risk of calling Trump Hitler the whole time.

If he doesn't turn out to be Hitler, you can't turn around and say, whoops, that was a mistake on that Hitler thing.

You know, I really guess I misjudged Hitler.

So that's what we're up against.

But I'll ask you something because you've been in this game longer than me.

I mean, what I'm amazed by is this thing about the media and how they let the lies go over and over.

Like, what do do you think is going on in the mind of someone like Jake Tapper, who I think is at least somewhat decent on CNN?

Not great, because nobody's great over there.

I actually used to like Jake Tapper.

I used to think he was very fair and reasonable.

I worked in that building.

I worked in

the book.

You did CNN.

You did Fox.

You did the rest of it.

Like, what do you think is actually going on in their heads when they know that the clips are there and yet they refuse to acknowledge it?

I think they believe that they are right about Donald Trump and they feel a little bit guilty about making such a big deal out of him and

not taking him seriously as a candidate.

They were mocking him the whole time.

So they were like, we're not going to, they feel they have to correct their own mistake.

Yeah.

And they actually have convinced themselves that they are right.

And

as long as they're right, that he's a danger, it doesn't matter.

We have to find a way to get people away from him because we're saving the Republic.

I think that's what it is.

Yeah, I think that's probably ballpark right.

I mean, I'll tell you one thing, Glenn.

You know, the idea that Susan Page, you know, it's tough to be a moderator.

Sometimes it's tough to be an interviewer and you don't ask the perfect follow-up question or you drop the ball on this or whatever it might be.

I'm always very upfront about that.

I'm sure I've made mistakes in interviews.

There's no doubt.

But the idea that Kamala Harris, there were several lies she threw up there, including the tax thing as well, but that she could say the very fine people thing.

And that Susan Page doesn't say, she knows.

Like, you know, she knows.

Everyone knows.

So that would be just such an obvious one.

The suckers and losers lie.

The

Green New Deal lie.

The Green New Deal.

And I think that's the fracking thing.

Yes.

Come on.

That's where

that's where Donald Trump lost it last time.

I mean, Chris Wallace came out before the debate and said,

I'm not going to correct anybody.

Well, then, wait.

So then they can just get away with anything.

And then I have to correct.

And I think

he was

pissed.

that they were just lying and Wallace wasn't doing anything.

And I think he just lost it and was like, you're not getting away with that.

And that doesn't work

for him or anybody else.

Man, can you imagine what it would be like if there was no alternative media right now?

I mean, can you possibly imagine?

We're in an information battle as is, as I call it, a war for reality and a war on reality.

But can you imagine if the ability for us to share these clips and have these conversations just went away?

And by the way, big tech would be more than happy to take it away from us.

I mean,

it would be a world that you cannot even imagine at this point.

It would be worth it.

Or you don't want to.

It would be the old Soviet Union.

Let me ask you one last question.

I said the other day when people,

when people say,

you know, the capitalists are going to be the first to have their back against the wall this spring when we win, and

they'll videotape it.

Yeah, and

they'll be shooting us.

I said on the air, you have to take these people seriously.

They mean it.

I don't think the average Democrat does, but the average Democrat is not running the Democratic Party anymore.

I really believe, Dave, that you and I,

we are going to have a dot-com for a while and that you will have to know our address and go to us.

We will not be able to reach out beyond our own dot-coms if we're allowed to have that.

Do you believe that's what we're facing?

An end to much of America's freedom and

losing our voices if this goes wrong?

Well, look, there's no doubt that that is what we are staring in the face.

You know, every year that there's an election, everyone says it's the most important election.

This one really feels like the referendum on does the American experiment continue or not.

You know, you can look back to any other election we had, Obama versus Romney, Obama versus McCain, George W.

versus Gore.

It's like, okay, they were basically in the same ballpark.

Maybe one had a little more hawkish foreign policy or one wanted a little something different on taxes.

But the basic paradigm was America's a fundamentally decent place.

And we just have

differences.

I don't want to say marginal differences because often they're deep philosophical differences, but we have differences within the idea that this thing and the founding documents are good.

What we are up against now is a force that says it is not good.

And if you are a Democrat, and as you just said, there are good Democrats, if you are a Democrat and you believe that this experiment is good, if you think that Biden and Harris are the ones that can protect it from what's coming after them, I think you're just sorely mistaken.

But I'll give you the silver lining on this, which is the more that social justice infects these systems, infects these institutions, infects these big tech companies, you know, ravages through the Democratic Party.

It will destroy these things too.

So I think the challenge for us and anyone watching this is to figure out ways to build better institutions and better companies, build new tech companies, build new universities, build new media institutions.

We've been around the block.

We can do it.

And I have nothing better to do.

Yeah, me too.

I'm trapped at home.

I have nothing better to do than save the world, you know?

My gosh, you're in California.

They're going to staple that mask to your face soon.

Dave Rubin.

Wait, you saw the thing where now if you're out with your family, they want you to eat and then put the mask on and then take the mask off.

In between bites, you're supposed.

That's how are you still there, Dave?

Move to Texas.

On the button for punishment, move.

Move to Texas.

Thanks so much.

God bless you.

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