First 2020 Presidential Debate: Special Coverage

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I have a round table with Stu and Pat and Steve Dace, and we also are going to have Dave Rubin checking in.

Allie Stuckey is going to be checking in.

A couple of other people.

We'll get the opinions.

Let me just start here.

I thought this was evidence of a civil war with a very uncivil debate.

I don't think it served either boring for a knockout.

I thought there were chances missed

on Donald Trump's side.

We'll get into it.

It was round after round after round of mischaracterizations and out-and-out lies, I thought, from the left.

Donald Trump, strangely, seemed to have a grasp of the facts much more than he did four years ago.

I thought he had some

really good moments, but I don't know if anybody is going to see them or remember.

The big thing that I took away from it is that Donald Trump spoke to the American people, even though he wasn't looking into the camera, which Joe Biden was doing.

He was giving the message that I think is resonating with the people who are actually watching.

My job.

What's going to happen with my job?

What's going to happen with the economy?

When am I going to stop wearing wearing this stupid mask?

When are we going to go back to normal?

That's what people are talking about.

And I think Donald Trump reiterated that, and Joe Biden was speaking about some sort of alternative America, some sort of alternative reality, where Donald Trump screwed up

the economy and never really had a good economy.

I don't think that that was connecting with the American people.

Donald Trump, it's really easy.

I'm not for white supremacists.

KKK, terrorist group, I'm willing to do it.

You just said that.

I also said that with Antifa.

Now ask him if he'll do the same.

He blew that.

There was nothing solved.

I don't think that the American people were well served by this.

I don't think that they were talking about

anything that people are actually going to vote on.

Very few times that I go, yeah, okay.

That's where people are living.

That's what people actually care about.

The rest of it was,

I thought it was just, it was garbage and unlistenable.

And Chris Wallace asked the questions that I would expect a mainstream media personality to ask.

He seemed to be playing referee for Joe Biden, who Joe Biden to me seemed like my grandfather.

He started out, you can hear he has no wind power, he's talking from here, and he's just really, and he sounded bad, and as the night went on, he got weaker and weaker and weaker.

He didn't have any metamusal moments, but I do think that

he is certainly not the man that he was even in the primary season.

How is he going to last four more years?

One last thing.

It is absolutely reprehensible

that in this season

The moderator of this debate, when the major news came out about Hillary Clinton and the entire Russia hoax, it is now verifiably a hoax.

The news that came out last, late this afternoon, for that not to be even a question for Joe Biden is remarkable and reprehensible.

But nobody's going to know that.

because we're all watching our own sides and not listening to the other side.

So let me go to Stu.

Just to add on to what you said, because I agree with that,

I would say one of the biggest accomplishments of this administration was, I mean, if you go back to 2016,

there was debate after debate.

A big portion of it was about ISIS and how they had a caliphate going.

The fact that that's not even a topic of conversation anyway.

Not just ISIS.

The Middle East people.

That's what I was going to say.

Yeah, I mean, this is the biggest story in the Middle East in the past 30 years.

And

how Trump doesn't bring it up on his own is one thing.

The fact that there's not even one question about what happened there is really, I think, a shame.

I think people will remember this a lot because there's just a lot of chaos.

You know, there's a lot of them talking over each other.

I think Joe Biden goes into this thing and can't have a metamusal moment, you know, a brain malfunction in the middle of it.

I don't think he had that moment.

I think it seemed like the Trump approach there was to say, let's get under his skin.

We'll go after him early.

We'll get him angry.

And he won't be able to control himself.

It seemed like Biden was prepared for that tactic at some level,

where he kind of tried to force himself into this weird mellow state.

I don't know.

It was a very strange tone from Biden, I thought, the whole time.

He never really emoted except for when he was talking about his son, which seemed like a totally forced monologue.

He said, shut up.

Yeah, yeah.

He called the president a clown.

He did.

Yep.

And he called him a liar, a racist.

Right, but I think that it was all in that same, I don't know, that same speed, that same tone.

I mean, he never emoted.

It was like it was a very odd, like, the Sleepy Joe thing felt accurate watching him do that tonight.

I don't think there's a huge knockout blow for either side, though.

And I think, you know, from Biden's perspective, considering all the help we'll get from the media, he's probably going to look at that as not a disaster.

Steve Dace, his head is going to explode, but I'm going to ask you to hold on for a few more minutes because I want to get Pat's point of view on what you thought.

Worst debate maybe of all time.

Whose fault?

Whose fault?

You got to blame the moderator, right?

You got to blame Chris Wallace because he's supposed to maintain control.

He didn't.

He didn't.

How do you do that when you have

a difference between the two?

It's really difficult.

I had a real problem with Chris Wallace when he said, keep it down.

You promised.

You said you wouldn't do it.

Stop it.

And Trump said, you mean that to both of us, right?

Well, no, I mainly mean it to you.

Well, wait a minute.

Hang on.

They were both doing it.

Biden did plenty of that.

Yeah.

If you asked me who won the debate early on, I would have said Donald Trump.

Me too.

But later,

as the debate wore on and chaos ensued, I'm not sure anybody won the debate, but I think Biden will be declared the winner by the mainstream media.

Of course they will.

I mean, we knew that before the debate even happened, so there's no surprise.

But I mean, they've got a legitimate case.

He, you know, I guess he interrupted less, maybe.

I don't know.

But what did he say?

Very little.

Very little that made sense.

He did have a couple of almost really serious metamusal moments,

especially toward the end.

He almost melted down, but he somehow kept.

I'm thinking drugs is the way he held on to it.

But he did hold on to it.

And

I think one of the reasons that they wanted the three breaks, was it three breaks in a half an hour?

No, in an hour and a half.

Three breaks.

Every half hour.

Every half hour.

Yeah.

So six total.

Nine total.

I thought it was one per half hour, but I could perhaps one per half hour.

So three for the whole thing.

Yeah, yeah.

And I think that's because of the medication he's taken.

He probably was wearing depends while he was standing there at the bottom.

I don't think this is.

I really.

I think that

weird him to depress because he lost energy.

He started out with very little,

and it just was almost gone halfway through.

All right, Mr.

Dace.

I feel like that Jonah Hill gif.

Okay.

First thing we all need to do is pray to Allah that this is our final boomer election.

I think we can all agree on that.

As far as the rest of what transpired here,

I think if the goal was to see if you could use the debate process to lower voter turnout, I think this was a rousing success.

I think if you are 150,000% committed to voting for each of these men a few times, you loved this.

I think that if you went into the clickiest, clickbaity faction of each candidate and said, hey, make sure you call him a racist and a clown, box checked, checked, check, check.

Okay.

Bring up Hunter Biden more often than you bring up anything else that people care about.

Check, check, check, check, check.

And so a lot of people that tuned in looking for a reason to vote for either one of these individuals that maybe were undecided, I think are now would prefer to not have to decide.

I think that this was, there's playing to the converted, and then there is whatever this was.

The airing of grievances, sponsored by Festivus, I'm not exactly sure what it was, but I don't think that it advanced anybody's cause.

I think it simultaneously helped and hurt everybody, all at the exact same time.

And one of the issues you had, and Pat mentioned the problem with the moderator.

Well, the problem with the moderator is Chris Wallace asks every damn question from Joe Biden's premise.

Sure did.

And so, when you do that to Donald Trump, he is not George Bush or Mitt Romney.

He is going to not accept your premise.

Now the problem is the way that he communicates is thus.

He won't accept your premise.

He then needs to take 15 to 20 seconds to tell you how great he is and how he's done whatever the issue is better than anybody else.

He then takes another minute to a minute and a half, give you the correct statistics, often though in sort of an indecipherable context, before he then hovers back around to what the right answer is.

But now we're in three and four minutes of a two-minute answer, which gives Chris Wallace the excuse to go in there and interrupt him because he's past his time.

And we just did this dance like the damn time work

for an hour and a half.

Meanwhile, it provided Joe Biden an opportunity not to have to do very often what he was the most scared to do.

talk.

It provided him an opportunity to sit there and be a spectator and just call Trump names whenever he wanted to, to not have to provide any policy specifics at all.

I thought the two most damning parts of the debate for Joe Biden were when he couldn't name any law enforcement agency that was supporting him, when he refused to answer the question on stacking of the court.

See, that's what Trump should have done far more of than defending and debating Chris Wallace.

He should have forced Joe Biden to go on the record more, and he missed numerous opportunities to do that.

I think that's what, that's why I think I felt comfortable, sort of, with Trump at the very beginning, because he was saying, no, answer that.

Just tell me.

Just tell me.

If he would have just been doing that, yes or no.

Deny it or not, deny it or not, deny it or not,

it would have been much more powerful because you needed to put him on record.

I think

he did have a plan because he was just doing body blows.

I think he thought that antagonizing Biden would get him off his game and make the senior moments happen.

The problem is, this is still an adult male.

If you followed Biden on the campaign trail, the pugilism isn't his issue.

He's a longtime political combatant.

You saw what he did to Paul Ryan.

You mentioned that earlier today when we were talking about this, Stu.

That actually woke Biden up.

What Biden doesn't want to have to do is offer specifics on policy.

One, he can't.

He just can't.

He can't articulate it cogently.

And then, two, when he does, he's instantly outside the mainstream of at least 51% of American voters.

Or if he is in the mainstream, he's alienated his real base.

That's exactly right.

Yeah, it's an unwinnable proposition for him.

And he was let off the hook because Trump made it more of a personality contest and less about issues.

I think it would have been helpful to have, to give Biden more rope to be able to hang himself.

over.

Well, you said that halfway through during the debate.

You said, I let him give rope.

And you're right.

Yeah, you got to get out of his way for him to have those moments, right?

A lot of times I think, you know, Trump, a couple times, I think, used this tactic effectively.

Biden would be trying to have this moment to the camera, this big moment where he would have a soundbite that you could tell was planned, and Trump would jump in over it, kind of ruining the sound bite.

He did that a couple times effectively, but more often, he interrupted moments that could have led to the Biden downfall.

He kept jumping in, and then Biden could just stop.

And of course, Biden comes, you know, gets into his trouble when he keeps talking and tries to finish these sentences where he doesn't know where he's going.

So let me ask you this, because for me, the biggest thing was Biden seemed like the cripkeeper to me.

He seemed like somebody who hasn't really even lived in the last four years.

And is all of a sudden showing up and he's like, that's not the way it is.

And you're like, where have you been?

What are you talking about?

That's not the way.

When he was talking about Donald Trump and his, the COVID, the early COVID, everybody remembers.

Everybody remembers about that.

When he talks about, you know, I'm going to make, I'm going to make the economy greatest.

He, he shut it down.

Everybody knows the truth of that.

When, you know, we didn't have a good economy under Donald Trump.

Everybody remembers.

Is that going to play a role?

Was he,

you know, there's one thing to say, yeah, you're lying about this, you know, the the Hunter

Biden thing that's not true yes it is

and you can do fact checks all you want but the fact checks that I think matter are the ones that people watch and go that's not right

of how we've lived our lives what they witnessed do you think that's going to matter did that bother anybody tonight with Joe Biden I think you know one of the when he was trying he has this idea with the COVID situation where he wants to push it's funny because you know where Biden stood on every position if you know where Trump stands, because he disagreed with him every single time.

So when Trump was saying we're going to close down flights from China, of course it was xenophobic at that moment for Biden to do that.

And

it's just a matter of like this is the constant opposition.

And I think people do remember those things.

You know, look, Biden was out there saying that we were just hating the Chinese for a very long time

at that point.

I don't know if any of that's going to, those moments where it's it's obvious to the average person are the most effective ones.

People are not going to, they're not going to go back and check your farm bill stats.

That's not what happens.

You know, the media likes to toss those things around afterward.

It's more about what hits people the wrong way.

Trump had a pretty effective part where he was talking about shutting down the economy.

I thought that was maybe one of his best things tonight, where he really laid that out in a way that.

And I think that's important.

Really?

If people got that far?

There was a couple of something else.

With COVID.

Did anybody else feel that Donald Trump, now

a lot of it was just chaos but there were a few times where I went that's presidential that's not the Donald Trump I saw four years ago for instance the COVID part where he was talking about here are the stats and the companies and he knew them all you could tell he had been truly engaged in that and knew what he was talking about which I hadn't you don't see with Donald Trump very often and I think that made a huge to me if I was just somebody that didn't know what was really going on what he said, I believed.

What Joe Biden said was kind of like, well, I don't even understand that.

If I were on the Trump debate team and you guys weren't around and we were talking privately, what I would be stressing is the opportunity costs that were missed tonight.

He let Biden get away with hammering him on preexisting conditions when he actually just issued an executive order that, frankly, a lot of conservatives like myself are not in favor of, telling you that you have to cover preexisting conditions.

What happened happened at the end of the debate with white supremacy when he just issued an executive order less than a week ago.

That was the worst.

He just issued an executive order less than a week ago declaring the KKK a white, I'm sorry, a domestic terrorist group.

Do we happen to have that cut where he was talking, because I don't even know what he said.

The white supremacist cut.

The white supremacist cut.

We did have a little glitch in the feed around that time, but at least that's what I thought.

Maybe he just said that.

And listen, if you had the proud boys getting mentioned in tonight's presidential debate, bingo, dude, you're the one in a million winner.

I didn't think that was ever possible, but it occurred.

You know, we were complaining a little bit about Chris Wallace, and I thought you got what I expected out of Chris Wallace, which he did ask.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

A couple of good questions, a lot of bad questions.

He was on the wrong side of a lot of that stuff.

But the worst moment of the entire thing from Wallace to me was when you're trying to get Donald Trump to denounce white supremacists for the 9,000th time.

Now, why Donald Trump just didn't do it, I have no idea, but he has done it a hundred times in the past.

We've heard him all say it a hundred times.

Joe Biden has denounced Antiva zero times.

He has never been asked about it.

The fact that you would ask Donald Trump to do something he's already done multiple times and not ask Donald Trump or Joe Biden to say, hey, Antiva, how about the elements of Black Lives Matter that are advocating for the destruction of the nuclear family?

Will you denounce those things?

And it's strange.

Never any response to that.

He knows that.

I've heard him speak off the cuff about that.

He knows that.

You're trying to say Trump knows that.

Trump knows that.

I'm criticizing Wallace on it, but you're right.

Trump needs to bring that up.

Trump should have just said at that point, wait a minute.

Antifa,

are they peaceful or not?

Do you approve of them or not?

You know, Black Lives Matter, the actual organization that wants to destroy the family.

You approve or not?

Yeah, how about that?

If he would have stood and said, no, Chris, Chris, Chris, I want those two questions, that's a reason to cause chaos and stop the debate.

Chris, would he, Chris, Chris, Chris?

America wants to know the answers to those two questions.

I think what each of these candidates did is not make this process accessible to people who were honestly trying and earnestly trying to make up their minds.

They made it about totally themselves.

The other thing that was really egregious was that Trump and Chris Wallace let Biden get away with not answering the will you pack the court question.

Yes.

He should have been forced to answer that question.

You're running for president of the United States.

We're supposed to be voting away with saying that's going to make it the issue or not the issue.

What are you talking about?

You don't get to define that.

Answer the damn question.

Right.

We'll decide what's important.

Thank you.

We'll talk about it.

Cut three.

Play that, please.

Vote now.

Make sure you, in fact, let people know

that I'm not going to answer the question.

I'm going to answer that question.

Because the question is a lot of people.

The question was just radical left.

Listen, who is on your list, Joe?

Who's on your list?

Gentlemen, I think

that's a good question.

I'm not going to give a list.

We have ended this segment.

We're going to move on to the second question.

How do they bail me out?

How do you bail me?

All he says, all he should say there is.

Yes or no, sir.

It's a yes or no question.

It's a yes or no question.

And he should have honestly done that with Donald Trump on the KKK.

It's yes or no?

Are you for the KKK or do you denounce them?

Of course I denounce them.

And he's done it a million times.

I don't know why he hesitated there, but he has done that a million times.

We've all heard him say it.

Think about the questions here we're talking about that people didn't get answers to.

How many justices on the Supreme Court does one of the presidential nominees think we should have?

Is white supremacy bad?

Will you cover my pre-existing conditions?

But everyone did find out how much money Hunter Biden made for burrism.

And I think this goes to something that, you know, we were talking about this morning on your show.

There is a disconnect, and i say this working in conservative media and i'm totally fine if hunter biden is guilty of everything that people are accusing him of you could put him in the basement of sing sing and we can never hear him sing for the rest of his days i'm totally okay with that but that's a criminal prosecution not a presidential election if i'm sitting there wondering is my kid going to be able to stay in school if there's four positive tests next week and if he gets sent home do i have to lose my job agree all right the things that people care about didn't get addressed the things that the most fanatical elements of each of our partisan medias get their jollies off of all got addressed.

Well, but the stuff people care about never got addressed.

Okay, so I would disagree somewhat

in the fact that

this goes to how many Supreme Court justices, is there a deep state?

Is there justice in America?

You prosecuted and persecuted me.

Today we find out There was a hoax and you knew it and Brennan knew it.

Everybody knew it.

Comey knew it.

We've got the documents.

They came out today.

So I got to know, you were the guy in the office that said it.

Your son took $3 million from the mayor

of Moscow.

When are we going to have a conversation about that, Joe?

It's worth one question.

I think there's a way you have to frame that, though, in a way that makes voters care.

If I beat you guys again, Are you going to try to do another coup against the 60 plus million people that voted for me like you did for me four years ago?

See, there's different,

people want elections to be about them, not about the candidates.

And both these guys made it about themselves and not about the people that are actually watching.

Here is something that I think he tried to say and he tried to cover that, but it wasn't, he didn't do it well when he said there is no peaceful transition of power.

He's right.

You know, that means what you're saying now is not a peaceful, and that is something everybody wants to know.

Are you going to abide by the rules?

And the answer to that, if you would have said that, will you accept the election if everyone abides by the rules that we all know sure I am if somebody's breaking the rules no

can I go back to uh the uh the packing the court question real quickly because it was not just packing the court it was also the filibuster right and here's here's Joe Biden who's in the Senate for 127 years a guy who was supposed to be 185 by

a guy who cares about the Senate rules right this was his blood right he lived and died in the Senate and he goes through this and his answer to both of those questions, packing the court and getting rid of the filibuster, was, I don't want to answer that because whatever I say is going to become the issue.

Well, it doesn't become an issue if you say you're not going to do it.

There you go.

Right?

So that was an answer.

He is going to do it.

The American people should know that.

And if there is one journalist left in America, they've got to get him to answer that question.

There's not.

It's complete.

There's not one journalist left in America.

There's not.

Let me go to Allie Stuckey, who was watching this.

Were you at home watching this, Allie?

Yes, my husband and I were at home watching this.

Well, some of it we were actually watching.

Some of the time we had to divert our eyes out of secondary.

So tell me how it played to you and how you think it's going to play to millennials and to women.

My frustration at the beginning of this, I was talking to a lot of my friends who consider themselves conservative, but mostly apolitical.

I was talking to the woman who followed me on Instagram.

Our first frustration was with Trump that he seemed to not let Biden dig his own grave and his consistent insistence upon the bullying tactics.

I didn't like that.

But as the debate went on, my frustration grew with Chris Wallace and it becoming this two-on-one debate to where Biden was never held against the wall for the things that we are actually concerned with.

I wanted to know his stance on the police and BLM and critical race theory and law and order.

I wanted to know his plan for the suburbs.

I wanted to know if he's going to be soft on China.

And I didn't get the answer to any of those things.

Did you have a problem with Chris Wallace saying that these were civil rights education classes

when indeed they were classes on critical race theory, which is completely different?

Right.

He said, what's wrong with racial sensitivity training?

Well, critical race theory is not racial sensitivity training.

I thought Trump did really well on this, that this is a lesson to hate America.

And that's absolutely right.

Chris Wallace has a lot to learn in this area.

He probably didn't even realize how much he showed his bias.

But yeah, I did have a problem with it.

It showed ignorance and obviously

just an antipathy towards the conservative stance on critical race theory.

Do millennials even watch this?

Well, my millennial friends did.

I can't speak for all millennials, but you know, millennials are getting up there now.

We're in our 30s and some of them are starting to get in their 40s.

And so we've got kids, kids, we've got mortgages, we have to care about this kind of stuff.

And do you think it changed anybody's mind?

It depends on if they watch the whole debate.

I think if people in the middle trying to decide who really care more about personality and individuals than they do care about politics or policies and platforms, which is wrong, but some people do, if they just watch the 30 minutes, the first 30 minutes of the debate, I think they go against Trump because they don't like his personality.

But the whole debate, I actually think that Trump ended up hearing a little bit better.

Do you think that Joe Biden looked like he was

starting to be like my grandfather when he was towards the end?

I mean, it was sad.

I thought he started winded and

he just didn't look like the Joe Biden even of the last primary.

I said to Stu halfway through,

if this is how much he's lost in the last

nine months,

what is he going to be like four years down the road?

I mean, just, it's just not even, I can't even comprehend that he would be the president in four years based on the rapid growth or

the rapid decline.

Did that come across to you at all or not?

Yeah, it did.

And I think it would have come across more if he had been allowed to speak.

Because what we saw is that he can't speak for longer than about, I would say, five to seven seconds without losing his train of thought and Chris Wallace having to step in and remind him what he was talking about.

This is true when he is in interviews as well.

But Trump, being who he is, and maybe some people think that this demonstrated strength somehow, I didn't.

He would insert himself into Biden's response when it would have been a lot better for us to see that weakness on display and for Biden to dig his own grave by wandering off into these trails and talking about nothing.

So, yes, I did see that weakness.

I saw that cognitive decline.

I think Trump distracted from that a little bit by being so bombastic.

I wish we would have seen more of that from Biden.

Let me play a couple of clips, and I'd like to get your thoughts first.

I'm going to play three clips, get your thoughts first, and then go to the table as well.

Let me play cut 13, cut 14,

and then cut six.

You'll get the final word, Mr.

Well, it's hard to get any word in with this clown.

Excuse me, this clown.

Hey, let me just say, Jeff.

No, no, no.

Okay, first the clown.

Next clip.

That's the end of the segment.

We're moving on.

It didn't take that long.

Vice President.

Can I be honest?

It's a very important question.

Try to be honest.

I stood up.

No,

the answer to the question is no.

Ukraine.

No, sir.

Way not true.

You're doing it.

You're going to have

to

do that.

Flashbacks.

So I don't know if we even got there, but that's when Joe Biden said, just shut up, man.

And then the last clip here, Donald Trump turning the tables and doing a bit of his own.

He panicked or he just looked at the stock market.

One of the two, because guess what?

A lot of people died.

And a lot more are going to die unless he gets a lot smarter, a lot quicker.

Mr.

President.

Did you use the word smart?

So you said you went to Delaware State, but you forgot the name of your college.

You didn't go to Delaware State.

You graduated either the lowest or almost the lowest in your class.

Don't ever use the word smart with me.

Don't ever use that word.

Oh, give me a break.

Because you know what?

There's nothing smart about you, Joe.

47 years you've done nothing

okay um allie

he was called a clown he was told to shut up um

that you would have never done that with any president uh before now the left does it regularly does it matter anymore

you know i i've always said you can't out trump trump trump is like teflon you can sling the mud at him and it will just slide right off and when you see someone kind of going to the level that sometimes Trump goes to with those kind of ad hominem attacks and telling people to be quiet and all of that, it just makes you look weak.

I mean, we saw that with Marco Rubio in 2016.

It didn't work for him.

I don't think it's going to work for

Joe Biden either.

I just think it kind of looks embarrassing.

Trump, somehow in his persona, he can kind of pull that off whether people like it or not.

I don't think Joe Biden can.

Like you said, it comes across as very slow and very weak and very reaching.

I just don't think it's an effective strategy for him.

Steve, do you agree with that?

Wholeheartedly.

Really?

I mean it felt weird when Marco Rubio did it.

It just felt like Joe lunchbox.

I think that there were times that Biden had very effective counterattacks where he seemed like more of the adult in the room.

But I think he diminished his own argument, dropping, you know, you're a racist, you're a clown.

Drop, I mean,

are you running for president of the United States or do you want to take over the young Turks?

Make a decision.

You won't be able to do both.

And I think that they believe that the answer to defeating him is to get down into the mud and the muck and the mire with him.

You actually need to come over the top as the adult in the room.

And I think those were strategic errors on Biden's part that took away opportunities he had to maybe have maybe more of a legitimate or clear victory tonight.

Ali, thank you very much for joining us.

I appreciate your perspective tonight.

Anybody else on this topic before we move on?

I I mean,

you know, look,

if the opponent is Donald Trump, it's hard to get too upset at someone using the word clown.

I mean, Donald Trump does things like this

all the time.

I don't think it helps Joe Biden, though.

I think you're totally right on that.

And that's what they'll say about it.

They'll say that he doesn't deserve any respect because he gives nobody else any respect.

And so that's what's going to come of that.

That's what they think on the Today Show.

Or on MSNBC.

But I don't think that a lot of suburbanites think that way.

And I think that they were actually actually looking to Joe Biden to

get beyond this stuff,

not to indulge more of it.

Right.

And so I think he disappointed a lot of people

that came into this, potentially looking for something positive out of him by allowing himself to get relegated into these back and forths.

I want to get into the Antifa and the Black Lives Matter stuff.

Dave Rubin's going to be joining us in a few minutes.

But let me play cut 15.

This is Trump.

This is Biden saying that Trump has been disastrous for blacks.

Listen to this.

One in 500 African Americans.

This man, this man is a savior of African Americans.

This man cares at all.

This man's done virtually nothing.

Look, the fact is that you have to look at what he talks about.

You have to look at what he did.

And what he did has been disastrous for the African American community.

How's that going to play in the African American community?

I hope not well.

I think, hopefully, it'll play like if you don't vote for me, you ain't black, played in the African-American community.

So, really well.

You know, and it would have been great if Trump would have come back at him with, I'm sorry, how many blacks have been aborted since 1973?

Let me give you that number.

It's 16 million.

I do care about

blacks being alive.

I do care about black lives.

Apparently, Democrats don't.

You certainly don't, Joe,

because

80% of Planned Parenthood abortion clinics are located in minority areas.

I mean,

there's such an opening.

So was this, but

did he take any advantage of that?

Here's Trump's response, Cut 16.

You have treated the African-American population community.

You have treated the black community about as bad as anybody in this country.

You did the 1990s.

And that's why, if you look at the polls, I'm doing better than any Republican has done in a long time because they saw what you did.

You call them super predators, and you've called them worse than that.

He goes on to talk about the crime bill, et cetera, et cetera.

Is that enough?

I mean, I don't think so.

I mean, again, I guess Republicans are supposed to be against the crime bill now while we're running a law and order.

Maybe I'm alone.

I think it's the last piece of really good bipartisan legislation, frankly, in my lifetime.

There's a lot of good in that.

I'm an idiot.

No, and

I'm not a black perspective.

Yeah.

From the black perspective.

Yeah, the super predator thing, I remember being Hillary Clinton.

Did she do this as well?

She did the super predator thing?

They were all doing that.

They were all doing that.

I mean, look, I think there's a, you know, Trump is using what he has, right?

You know, this is a controversial thing.

The black community doesn't seem to like that bill all that much.

It's been something the left has been beating up on the right for, for a very long time.

And I've lost track at where we're supposed to be on this thing.

I mean, to me, it looks like a pretty good piece of legislation with some things that have been tweaked over the years that try to fix it.

But again,

I don't think that that helps.

I think a better case is what Pat said.

I think a better case as well is his economic record with African Americans.

You're looking at these low-employment

historic low unemployment rates, which Trump says really at every opportunity he has, usually.

I don't know why he didn't really get into that as well.

That's another opportunity cost.

To me, that's the theme of the night if you're pro-Trump.

I mean, a far better line of attack is to say, Joe, while you were presiding over the funeral of the former grand wizard of the KKK, Robert Byrd, that you referred to at that funeral while you were vice president as a friend, a guide, and a mentor.

While you were doing that, I was cleaning up your mess, and we had the best and the lowest black unemployment rate since they started keeping the stat.

I'm not going to be lectured to about racism from somebody that did funerals and eulogies for racist.

Thank you.

I yield the balance of my time.

He said capable of doing that, however.

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Your thoughts

generally

on the debate.

Well, first off, it's good to be with you guys.

That almost sounded like you had to issue a trigger warning before you introduced me.

No, not at all.

I think the audience loves you.

Loves you.

You brought it around nicely.

Well, I think the main takeaway, and I suspect that you guys might have hit on this.

I was doing a live stream on my channel, which is why I'm joining a little late, is that Biden did not implode.

And the expectations, I think, were so low for him.

You know, there are so many clips of him losing his train of thought, not knowing what he's saying, screwing up numbers, flat out lying and the rest of it.

And he didn't really have a terrible moment.

I think Trump...

Trump kind of went in hot where he was really going after him, trying to knock him off

his pedestal.

And it never fully happened.

That being said,

the real issue here is that Biden knows because of the cover that the media is going to run on him and run for him, that he can pretty much lie about anything and get away with it in a way that Trump can't.

So

when Biden said the reason I got into this

campaign was because of the very fine people line in Charlottesville, it's like that line is a lie.

It's an absolute lie that I'm sure your viewers know and I'm sure you guys have talked about, where right before Trump said there were very fine people on both sides, and what he meant was very fine people of both sides of the the debate argument, of the monument argument, that the point is, he said, I absolutely condemn the KKK and the white supremacists and the rest of it.

So Biden knows he can get away with lies.

I think Trump's worst moment, though, was partially because they were all talking at once.

But when Wallace asked him to condemn white supremacy, even though he's done this a million times.

Last week.

He got flummoxed and it was almost because there was a lot of crosstalk, but he needed to put that down he needed he started saying it and then he stopped and and I think that was really a bad moment so I don't think there was really any clear-cut winner here and as I said on my live stream it's like it's not whether the partisans think that they're a guy one that's not what matters because those people know what they're voting for and who they're voting for it's whether whatever that slice in the middle and it's hard to to figure out how many people that actually encapsulates it's like did anyone watch this and say okay i was truly moved to one of them and I don't think we got that tonight.

So do you think that Biden

did enough to hold his coalition together on the left?

Will the left be upset with him at all?

Or did you see any movement on the left?

Yeah, well, look, Biden said he wasn't for the Green New Deal.

So now we got AOCs obviously going to be pissed at him.

He did kind of say he's for law and order.

Trump was really trying to hit him on that.

So, you know, he did try to do what all candidates do, whether you're on the left or on the right.

Once you get through the primary, then you usually moderate back into something that feels a little saner.

I think the problem is, and I know, Glenn, I was listening to you earlier today.

You've been talking about this for all.

The problem is that the base is so crazy at the moment that it's like, can Biden be the one that stops that radical energy?

I think the answer to that is absolutely no.

He did not falter tonight.

And I don't think it's like, I don't think he did anything that the base is going to absolutely try to take him out.

But at the same time, Trump didn't have a real knockout moment.

And I think a lot of the real Trump people and people on the right thought, oh, this is going to be a cakewalk.

And that's the problem when you go in thinking, oh, we're going to win this thing for sure.

If you don't win, it kind of feels like

almost like you lost.

Let me play Cut 18.

Listen to this.

This is Biden and Trump sparring over Antifa.

Watch.

Antifa's an idea, not an organization.

You get it, not malicious.

That's what his FBI, his FBI director said.

Well, then I know what I'm saying.

We're done, sir.

We're moving on to the next one.

That is your administration.

Everybody from your administration tells you the truth has a bad.

You have no idea.

Is there anybody

on that one?

Now moving on to the Trump and black people.

No, you stop the nonsense.

Go ahead.

So that was a good moment for Trump because anyone that has a flicker of a free thought in their head, they know what's going on in the streets of Portland and New York City and Seattle and Minneapolis and the rest of it.

And it's antifa violence.

They're not telling you it's not them.

They're telling you it is them and that they are a radical Marxist organization and that they're here basically to take down the patriarchy and end capitalism and the rest of it.

I've done a ton of college speaking events that Antifa shows up and protests violently and calls fire alarms and the rest of it.

So that's not an idea.

If it was an idea, I would go to an event and speak freely and I'd go, oh, well, there are these people called Antifa and they don't like me.

But no, I've seen real violence.

So what the real question though is, is why is Biden so trigger happy basically to say that they're not an organization?

And that gets to the fact that the base is radical.

So I think the average person, when they see things burn and then they can associate that with antifi, I think that was a winning moment for Trump.

And I think the critical race theory thing was a winning moment for Trump also.

I think

the other piece of that was the Portland when he asked,

have you called them?

Have you called the mayor?

Have you called them?

I'm a question for Morgan.

Yeah.

And

when

he

said that

the only trouble comes is when they do come in, that's complete hogwash.

And I think everybody felt that.

Any minds changed, Dave?

Any last thoughts?

I don't think, as I said before, whoever that sliver is, and we just don't know what that number of people is, it's hard to imagine that anyone watched tonight and really said, wow, Trump just wowed me or Biden wowed me.

I don't think anyone was really moved, but look, that's why they do three debates.

That's why we do a vice presidential debate.

That's why we got five weeks left on this thing.

I think they'll both go back in.

And I think Trump's people will say, you you know, maybe it's better to just calm down a little bit.

You don't have to be so aggressive.

And Biden's people, I think the fact that he didn't implode, I think they're going to be pretty pleased with that.

But he will have to go in and talk to the radicals and basically be like, Bernie, did I give you enough there?

Because he can't lose that base.

And as you said this morning, it's like, if he's the Trojan horse, he owes these guys.

And that's what he has to watch out for.

Dave Rubin, thank you very much.

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Thanks a lot, Dave Rubin.

I appreciate it.

Okay.

Close up, I guess we look to the future.

I don't have that pit in my stomach that I had all day because it's over.

But my fear was that it would be over tonight.

I don't think anything happened that is going to change anybody's mind.

I think if we had real journalists,

they might be able to find some things in here that Joe Biden said that were not accurate

and would lead you to understand he is the radical that he is.

But we don't really have great journalists anymore.

Except, I hope, the people that work at the Blaze that classify themselves as journalists, we are all talking heads and not journalists.

Join us at the Blaze.

We have the next debate is next Thursday, Wednesday.

Next Wednesday, and it's a vice presidential debate,

which will be very interesting.

Mike Pence

will take on Kamala Harris.

And Mike is really, really good.

Your thoughts on that pairing?

Electric.

Yeah,

I don't know.

Mike Pence will have a very foreign-lorn look on his face a lot.

And Kamala Harris will

say or do whatever advances Kamala Harris.

I mean, she's amoeba-like.

I mean, Mike Pence was a talk show host.

He knows how to communicate with people.

I think, you know, at one point he was really good at doing that, and then he just kind of went away.

He sort of disappeared

and then came back on the scene, of course,

recently.

But there was a time when he was really good at this stuff.

He might surprise us.

Right now,

he needs to be less of a politician.

Every time I see Mike Pence, he is a very schooled politician, and that's not what people want right now.

He'll do fine.

I mean, he'll bore people to death a little bit, but he'll do fine in this.

You know, this election will not turn on the vice presidential debate.

It will have, I don't think it can have a very large impact, but I do think Pence will do well.

He'll hold his own.

He won't get knocked around by Harris.

I think he'll do a pretty good job.

There's just only so much this matters.

Does anything, does it mean anything

of real substance that no one is going to be talking about the Hillary Clinton thing tomorrow?

Yeah,

I think it does.

I mean, I think.

What's it mean?

I mean, I think

it's interesting because it was released

when it's coming out into the news cycle today, you'd think these things, just like the New York Times tax report, right?

It's designed to become part of the debate, right?

And it didn't.

So it's hard to imagine that it's going to have a big impact as of tomorrow.

Thank goodness Trump's taxes did, though.

I'm glad they sneaked that right on in.

Yeah, that was the first time.

The first thing people don't care about.

You know, he is president.

He has an attorney general.

Department of Justice.

You want to move this story along?

Call Hillary Clinton in front of a federal grand jury.

Yeah.

That'll move this story along.

We'll cover it then.

There would be some coverage on that.

Yeah.

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