Best of The Program | Guests: Mike Gonzalez & Sergiu Klainerman | 9/17/20

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Speaker 2 A little spine-tingly. Also, something even more spine-tingly, a guy who is former national security advisor,

Speaker 2 and he talked to us about the coming coup, as he called it. But it is a color revolution.
It's something that I'm going to be covering on tonight's episode of Blaze TV, probably the most important

Speaker 2 episode. I just have this feeling: this is like last call.
This is really it, last call, and something I'm going to be focusing on over the next few weeks as we come up to the election.

Speaker 2 Because you need to know the truth. You will hear the truth and my challenge to social media on today's podcast.

Speaker 3 You're listening to the best of the Glenn Beck program.

Speaker 2 Mike, welcome to the program.

Speaker 3 Glenn, thanks a lot for having me on. I've always been a huge fan of yours.
I'm a very tickled think.

Speaker 2 Thank you. Thank you very much.
So, Mike,

Speaker 2 tell me about, I mean, this, this,

Speaker 2 people are going to deny and say this is not happening, but this is exactly what... This is what I said on that chalkboard years ago.

Speaker 2 the all the enemies of America the anarchists the communists the socialists the Islamists they will all band together to destroy America in the end we're seeing it this this is a great example tell me what's happening

Speaker 3 so first of all it's undeniable I quote them I make it a practice Glenn to quote the left in my book the plot to change america I quote leftist sources like 80% of the time they usually lay it all out.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 Sometimes they're hard to parse because they think that if they use big words, we will not understand them.

Speaker 3 But I quote them

Speaker 3 so there's no misunderstanding here. I quote the website of the Blacks Futures Lab, which is one of the many, many ventures of Alicia Garza.
Alicia Garza is the founder.

Speaker 3 of Black Lives Matter, the organization. And let's make this very clear from the beginning.
The sentiment of Black Lives Matter, there's nothing wrong with it. We all agree with this sentiment.

Speaker 3 Black Lives do, of course, indeed matter. It is the organizations themselves

Speaker 3 that have been founded by three women who are Marxist, and they say they're Marxist. They say they're trained Marxists.

Speaker 3 Alicia Garza is probably the main one in the sense that she has the greatest media profile.

Speaker 3 So she sits atop what I call a global revolutionary network that has chapters not only in the United States and Canada, but all over the world.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 one of her many assets is

Speaker 3 the Black Lives Matter Global Network, which is probably the main organization that she founded that, and she leads it. She also had founded, gathered together

Speaker 3 the Movement for Black Lives.

Speaker 3 And this other asset that she has,

Speaker 3 the Black Futures Lab,

Speaker 3 if you go to their website and you click the Donate button, if your listeners right now go to the site of the Black Futures Lab and click the Donate button, they will be instructed to donate their money to the Chinese Progressive Association.

Speaker 3 So what is the CPA? The CPA oh, oh, and the website says very clearly that the Black Futures Futures Lab is a fiscal project, is a financial project of

Speaker 3 CPA.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 what does CPA do? CPA, from the beginning, has been a partner of the People's Republic of China. It partners with them

Speaker 3 in doing events around the country. It pushes the Beijing line.

Speaker 3 From the beginning, it tried to say it made the case that the People's Republic of China was a good thing. This is 1972, right? In the middle of the Cultural Revolution, right?

Speaker 3 The Cultural Revolution is between 1966 and 76.

Speaker 3 So the CPA is created in 72, in the middle of the Cultural Revolution,

Speaker 3 to push the line of the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party. And one can only wonder why what we see today resembles so much the Red Guard actions of the Cultural Revolution.

Speaker 3 So I want to read to you now what it says, because I just opened it up. Black Preachers Lab is a fiscally sponsored project of the Chinese Progressive Association.

Speaker 2 I mean,

Speaker 2 I just went to the website. I'm reading it myself.
CPA is a 501c3 tax-exempt organization. Tax identification number is this.
So

Speaker 2 it's important. Again, Black Futures Lab on their own website is a fiscally sponsored project of the Chinese Progressive Association.

Speaker 2 It is, that's, I mean, you can't get any more clear that these are enemies of the state.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 China has an interest. China's a rival, right? It's undoubtedly China is a rival of the United States.
China has an interest in seeing us be destabilized.

Speaker 3 China has an interest in seeing mayhem in our streets.

Speaker 3 One thing you said at the beginning that I want to go back to remark because I think it's important.

Speaker 3 What we're seeing right now is with the demonstrations and the the riots and the whole mayhem, it is an attempt to change every facet of America. Every facet.
And they say it.

Speaker 3 Alicia Garcia says she hates capitalism. She needs to replace capitalism.
She's very open about that.

Speaker 3 The Movement for Black Lives says on its website, we are against capitalism. We want it gone.

Speaker 3 I visited, but it's not just our economic system.

Speaker 3 They want to change every aspect. I visited Duke.

Speaker 3 I drove my children to duke about uh two weeks ago they've done away with sororities they've done away with sororities because uh because they're tied to oppression i don't know how they got there uh columbia university one of my alma mater's has done away with the marching band again oppression

Speaker 2 the university those tuba players man they've been

Speaker 2 They've been a sore spot on racism for a long time. But anyway, go ahead.

Speaker 3 The University of Chicago, it's a very serious school, right? I've always admired the University of Chicago. I tell my daughter, try to go there.

Speaker 3 They just announced that they're only going to accept to a Tinglish department next year people who want to study black studies.

Speaker 3 Black Studies is an offshoot of critical theory.

Speaker 3 Angela Davis, I don't have to explain to you who she is, but I'll explain very briefly to your audience, former Black Panther, a member of the Communist Party USA,

Speaker 3 you know, does not like the American system. She calls black studies the intellectual arm of the revolution.
It is.

Speaker 3 Along with all other ethnic studies.

Speaker 2 Anything that says studies after it is a problem. It really is.
I mean, you really better do your homework before you get into a class if it says studies as the last word in the class.

Speaker 3 Right, right. Or theory, critical theory.

Speaker 2 Yeah, or theory, yeah.

Speaker 3 Theory, critical race theory. Correct.
All these things are just attempts at tools for changing America. Right.

Speaker 2 So, Mike, I thank you so much for your work on this and so much more. Please, if you have more information on other

Speaker 2 aspects, please let me know right away because

Speaker 2 exposing this

Speaker 2 is

Speaker 2 the first step of collapsing it. Just people knowing that Black Lives Matter is now partnering with

Speaker 2 a pro-Chinese, a pro-communist Chinese group. And what are they doing? I mean, welcome.

Speaker 2 Are you registered to vote? What are they trying to do? Get people to go out and vote. Why would a communist want a vote? Well, there's a couple of reasons.
Maybe they do want Joe Biden to win.

Speaker 2 But that if you understand Black Lives Matter, you understand what the goal here is, it's not about the election. It's about the violence that is coming around the election.

Speaker 2 They're going to scream that it was falsified, that it was corrupt, that we don't have a legitimate president, the vote was miscounted,

Speaker 2 they've

Speaker 2 taken votes and voters and they've disenfranchised them. That's what's important.

Speaker 2 And they're leading up right now and saying that you can't trust the vote while they're also saying we should try something new, mail-in ballots. Why would you do that?

Speaker 2 Why would you do that?

Speaker 2 It just makes no sense. We got to put our thinking caps on, America.
Got to put your thinking caps on. Mike, thank you so much.
We'll talk again. Thank you very much.
You bet.

Speaker 2 Mike Gonzalez, senior fellow, Heritage Foundation. And he's written a book, The Plot to Change America.
This is a really great article that you can find at the DailySignal.com.

Speaker 2 This BLM co-founder and pro-communist China group are partnering up.

Speaker 2 But you can find it for yourself. Just go to

Speaker 2 blackfutureslab.org. Do it now.
You should take a screenshot of it before they change it. But just go to, you can find out all about it, but go to the big yellow button, donate, and look what it says.

Speaker 2 This is a BLM group. Black Futures Lab is fiscally sponsored by a project of the Chinese Progressive Association.

Speaker 2 Not even hiding. They don't care.
Yeah. The masks are off.
They don't even care.

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Speaker 2 We all know that the intelligence community of the United States have pulled off coups. We also know that

Speaker 2 a violent revolution is something that nobody in America wants, that believes in America. We fight it out at the ballot box, not on the streets.

Speaker 2 I've shown you last night what is needed for a successful revolution to take place. It was on my chalkboard.

Speaker 2 I said this is something that I have as a watch list that I have privately been watching since 2008.

Speaker 2 I don't believe

Speaker 2 that before the election of Donald Trump, They thought they were going to need to do anything drastic, that the left actually thought a revolution was going to be needed.

Speaker 2 They brought in all these revolutionaries. They brought in all the revolutionary thinkers.

Speaker 2 They had everybody they needed in media, education, even in the government, in the deep state.

Speaker 2 They had the money they needed, the social media.

Speaker 2 The only thing they needed was to gut the police and grab the military and then make the American people docile.

Speaker 2 So when the bottom started to rise up, they just wouldn't say anything.

Speaker 2 Well, I think they had all of these things. And then

Speaker 2 when they were shocked that Hillary Clinton didn't win, they knew everything that they had planned is now in danger. And Donald Trump is blowing all of it up.

Speaker 2 They could have gotten away with it, and they would have fundamentally transformed us

Speaker 2 by now or the next election.

Speaker 2 But Donald Trump won, and they needed him out. Now, the left has been using the word revolution a lot lately, and you better start taking them at their word.
We're talking a bloody revolution.

Speaker 2 This is not hyperbole. I want you to listen to this.
This is John Kerry,

Speaker 2 formerly our Department of State, our Secretary of State, who helped deliver and plan these seven pillars of color revolution for other nations.

Speaker 2 I want you to listen to this while he was attending a panel this summer, or I'm sorry, yeah, this summer for the Alliance of Democracies. Listen.

Speaker 4 So we have major challenges, and if people don't have adequate access to the ballot,

Speaker 4 I mean, that's the stuff on which revolutions are built.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 So Kerry was addressing a question about the American system.

Speaker 2 And he threw in this line about, look, I mean, you know, revolutions start on not having access to the ballot.

Speaker 2 So already there, he's signaling that we're going to have a ballot battle coming up in November.

Speaker 2 Then he goes on to say, and I'm quoting, if you begin to deny the capacity of your people and your democracy to work,

Speaker 2 Even the founding fathers wrote in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, that we have an inherent right to challenge

Speaker 2 So now he's saying that in America we can challenge and we have a right to challenge, which we do.

Speaker 2 But listen to what he ties it into next. He's encouraged by something.

Speaker 4 What encourages me is this incredible spontaneous reaction to the killing of George Floyd by those police officers has unleashed a torrent of awareness that people see this unfairness unfairness now and it's, I think, becoming a voting issue.

Speaker 2 Okay.

Speaker 2 Really? It was a voting issue when it was Black Lives Matter? How was it a voting issue?

Speaker 2 He is telegraphing. He knew what was going on in the streets and what was coming.

Speaker 2 It's not a voting issue. Even now it's not a voting issue.
They're still trying to make it a voting issue. It will be in seven weeks.
But what did John Kerry know and when did he know it?

Speaker 2 And And how did he find that encouraging? I mean, the looting, the fires, the rioting, the death, that's encouraging. And the torrent of awareness of voting?

Speaker 2 John Kerry knows exactly what he's doing here because he has done it himself before.

Speaker 2 He was part of it during the Obama administration in 2013 and 2014. It wasn't here.
It was in Russia and Ukraine. If you're watching us on Blaze TV, I'm going to show you a photo.

Speaker 2 This is John Kerry strolling through Red Square in Moscow back in 2013.

Speaker 2 Interesting time for him to be strolling around. Color revolutions were breaking out all over.

Speaker 2 This photo was taken when Russia was at the tail end of their own called the snow or the white revolution.

Speaker 2 Well, how did that happen? Well, it was kicked off after a disputed election. Now, this is going to sound very familiar in a couple months.
It was kicked off by

Speaker 2 online bloggers who were suddenly very successful and savvy at organizing massive protests using Facebook and social media. Hmm.

Speaker 2 Where have we heard that before? Oh, civil society and tech camps. in Ukraine.
Something we exposed on my television program that is a must-watch.

Speaker 2 Now see if this also sounds familiar. Afterwards, Russia immediately bans USAID

Speaker 2 and they kick out the George Soros Foundation.

Speaker 2 We showed you that what was happening in Ukraine and what really was going on with the State Department, that Vinman was trying to cover up, that the left was trying to cover up, was this association with George Soros, USAID, and the State Department.

Speaker 2 Well, Russia was on to it, and they kicked us out. Now, I am not saying anything positive about Russia or Putin at all.

Speaker 2 I think Putin is a cold-blooded killer.

Speaker 2 But after knowing what we know about what the Obama State Department was doing with Soros in Ukraine, I can understand why Soros or why Putin was a little pissed off at us.

Speaker 2 So let me go back to that photo with John Kerry in Moscow. If you can see this photo, there's a guy immediately to the right.

Speaker 2 He is the ambassador, the brand new ambassador to Russia at the time, Michael McFall.

Speaker 2 He's a Stanford academic that became the first non-career diplomat to ever ascend to that post.

Speaker 2 Now, he took office just as the snow revolution was kicking off. And here's why the Russians were a concerned.

Speaker 2 After arriving in Moscow, McFoll gave an interview to a Russian outlet and he explained how he was different than other diplomats.

Speaker 2 And I want to quote: Most of the specialists on Russia are diplomats, specialists in security, arms control, or the Russian culture. I'm none of those things.

Speaker 2 I'm an expert on democracy, anti-dictatorial movements, and revolutions.

Speaker 2 We appointed that guy?

Speaker 2 Kind of an odd thing for a newly minted ambassador to say once arriving in a country that is just about to go into revolution.

Speaker 2 And similar on how the State Department in Ukraine was supporting the street advocates. If you, activists, if you remember right, we also talked about all of this

Speaker 2 in Ukraine. We showed how the State Department and our civil servants in our embassy were on the ground supplying and giving support to the revolutionaries.

Speaker 2 McFaul was holding secret meetings with protest organizers in the U.S. Embassy in Moscow.
He met with these people that were leading the revolution before he even met with Putin.

Speaker 2 So I'm pretty sure, pretty sure that

Speaker 2 Putin had a problem with him. In 2005, McFoll wrote an academic paper, this is 2005, on what was needed for a successful color revolution.
So now we go another next step.

Speaker 2 Now, John Kerry is side by side with the ambassador right before they go into revolution. They send him out to be the ambassador to Russia, and then a revolution starts.

Speaker 2 But he's not only an expert in revolutions he's one of the guys who outlined how you do it back in 2005 and he called it the seven pillars and he said for a color revolution to break out you need these seven things

Speaker 2 So this is what became policy in the Obama administration. If we wanted to eject an elected leader and topple a country

Speaker 2 and see if it sounds like the Arab Spring, see if it sounds like all the things we now know were not, quote, spontaneous. That's the thing that really stuck out to me with

Speaker 2 John Kerry, was the way he was saying, and

Speaker 2 these spontaneous groups are just so static. They're not spontaneous.
We now know, it's historic proof, these were organized. They were not spontaneous.

Speaker 2 Now listen, here they come and I'm going to take them through take you through them one by one but let me just give you all seven first.

Speaker 2 This is the Obama administration guide for ejecting an elected leader and toppling a country.

Speaker 2 One,

Speaker 2 you have to have a semi-autocratic rather than fully autocratic regime.

Speaker 2 Two,

Speaker 2 you need to have an unpopular incumbent, unpopular prime minister, president, or whatever.

Speaker 2 3. You need a united and organized opposition.

Speaker 2 4. An ability to quickly drive home the point that voting results were falsified.

Speaker 2 5. Enough independent media to inform citizens about a falsified vote.
6. A political opposition capable of mobilizing tens of thousands or more demonstrators to protest electoral fraud.

Speaker 2 And seven,

Speaker 2 divisions among the regime's coercive forces. That would be military and the police.

Speaker 2 All of these pillars were present in Georgia in 2003. The government was toppled.
They were present again in Ukraine in 2014. The government came down.

Speaker 2 They thought they were present in Russia in 2013, but it failed, probably because they didn't have a semi-autocratic rather than a fully autocratic regime. Putin has control of that state.

Speaker 2 But they think they have the components ready for us now, and they are executing a color revolution.

Speaker 2 Now I welcome, welcome anyone to tell me with facts

Speaker 2 where I'm wrong. I will will explain it with facts

Speaker 2 in just a second. I started to explain it last night with facts

Speaker 2 at blazetv.com. If I'm right, we have seven weeks.
We have seven weeks to get the word out and to prepare.

Speaker 2 You cannot strike out. I know I don't have to say this to you.
But there are going to be people who are so-called on the right,

Speaker 2 neo-Nazis that want the end of the Constitution just as much as these Marxists do. That is not the right wing of America.
That is the right wing of Europe. We are different.

Speaker 2 The right believes in freedom and justice for all.

Speaker 2 Those people are going to strike out, and all the press needs

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 all the UN needs to come in and make sure that these things are these crazy things are stopped. The only thing they need to silence voices like mine that will tell you the truth

Speaker 2 is violence on the streets from the other side.

Speaker 2 It is important that you play no role in chaos, and I'm not just talking about violence. You must know these facts and have the proof.
We have them all. We're releasing everything.

Speaker 2 But you need to know.

Speaker 2 We'll go into these seven pillars in just a second.

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Speaker 2 the administration is on this, and trust the administration.

Speaker 2 Trust that Attorney General Barr knows this as well. He signaled that last night, I think, on Fox News, or it was early this morning.
He signaled that he knows, and

Speaker 2 they are now saying that they will start treating these people the way they should and they are he said to the AGs start charging these people with sedition so they are on it you just need to pray like you've never prayed before

Speaker 3 and learn as fast as you can

Speaker 2 the best of the Glenbeck program

Speaker 2 I am I'm anxious to talk to

Speaker 2 Princeton University's mathematics professor, Sergio Kleinerman.

Speaker 2 He is somebody who wrote an article in Newsweek, Princeton's President is Wrong. The university is not systematically racist.
And he just asked some simple questions that I think are worth pondering

Speaker 2 for the entire country.

Speaker 2 And he is with us now. Sergio, professor, how are you, sir?

Speaker 3 Thank you very much. Thanks for inviting me.

Speaker 2 I was, you know, I wondered where you got the backbone to become a pariah in the university system by saying these things.

Speaker 2 And then I read your bio this morning. You were born in Romania.

Speaker 3 Correct.

Speaker 2 And you had your undergraduate degree in Bucharest in 1973.

Speaker 2 Correct. When did you come here? How old were you?

Speaker 3 So I was 25 in 1975.

Speaker 2 You were 35?

Speaker 3 20. 25.

Speaker 2 25, okay.

Speaker 2 And so does any of this play into the fact that you've seen this stuff firsthand?

Speaker 3 Absolutely.

Speaker 3 Absolutely. I mean, it is pretty stunning how

Speaker 3 these things are happening in the same way. And the kind of people that are in the bureaucracy today and who are pushing for things that are so familiar to me, it's pretty stunning, I must say.

Speaker 2 If we don't change our ways pretty soon, do you see us going the way of

Speaker 2 Hungary and

Speaker 2 other nations that have fallen to this before?

Speaker 3 I used to think that it's impossible in the United States, and I'm now

Speaker 3 less

Speaker 3 sure that it's impossible. I mean, I uh it is pretty stunning what has happened uh in academia, uh, in the media and many other institutions.
I mean, in fact right now you see this work movement

Speaker 3 infecting large businesses. So it is

Speaker 3 just everywhere, it seems to me.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 is the main ingredient or the main toxin

Speaker 2 of this movement the

Speaker 2 critical race theory? Or what do you see as the critical ingredients?

Speaker 3 Well, certainly

Speaker 3 ideologically, that's what it is. Yeah, it's critical race theory.
Of course, it's built up. It has been built up on some version of Marxism, which is called critical theory.

Speaker 3 There are various versions of it. But critical race theory is now the one which is most

Speaker 3 influenced

Speaker 3 in academia and year, and also, of course,

Speaker 3 now you see it in businesses, which is pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 Large corporations, in particular.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 2 you wrote an op-ed that went into Newsweek talking about the president of Princeton and how wrong he was when he wrote in July,

Speaker 2 on July 4th, believe it or not, that Princeton has systematic racism

Speaker 2 problems.

Speaker 3 Yeah, okay, so sorry.

Speaker 2 Go ahead. No, go ahead.

Speaker 3 Yeah, so just

Speaker 3 what happened is that on July 4th, there was a group of faculty, members of the faculty of Princeton, who wrote an open letter to him and to the administration asking for all sorts of things.

Speaker 3 There are 48 measures that they wanted to implement.

Speaker 3 They all are centered around somehow the fact that

Speaker 3 minorities, blacks in fact, are not

Speaker 3 represented at Princeton.

Speaker 3 and that Princeton is racist and

Speaker 3 something has to be done systemic. I mean, they, you know, they don't call it racist anymore.
They call it systemic racist, which to me sounds much worse.

Speaker 3 In particular, since there is no way to defend yourself against it. Anyway, so they wrote this letter, and then the president

Speaker 3 answered back sometime in August,

Speaker 3 late August, answered back and conceded the fact that the university is racist.

Speaker 3 So systemic racist, the country is racist, racist. The university is racist.
That something has to be done. And he

Speaker 3 details, gives

Speaker 3 some measures that he thinks should be taken. I mean, much less than what the July 4th letter wanted,

Speaker 3 but still, accepting the premise of that letter, which is that the university is racist, which to me is unacceptable.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 3 as a matter of fact, that it's not true.

Speaker 2 One of the things that I hear from people, they say, well, you have to admit white people have had

Speaker 2 an easier time than black people or et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 But what they fail to recognize is the solution to any of that is locked with Martin Luther King's idea that judge me by the content of my character and merit.

Speaker 2 And they don't seem to recognize that solution.

Speaker 3 No, no, no. Not only they don't recognize it, they reject it.
I mean, they outrightly reject it as being racist itself, which is pretty amazing.

Speaker 3 So, yeah, according to them,

Speaker 3 this is also racist.

Speaker 3 If you make this kind of consideration based on merit, you should not look at the color of one's skin, that's also racist.

Speaker 3 That's what critical racist theory

Speaker 3 insists on saying today.

Speaker 2 In Princeton, you have over 65

Speaker 2 administrators dedicated to promoting diversity and inclusion.

Speaker 2 You write, if implemented,

Speaker 2 how many more administrators are going to be needed?

Speaker 3 Yeah, right. So

Speaker 3 what point I'm trying to make is that

Speaker 3 according to

Speaker 3 what the

Speaker 3 it's a little complicated. I mean, obviously

Speaker 3 the whole thing is

Speaker 3 all the pressure comes from

Speaker 3 one minority in caste, which are

Speaker 3 blacks,

Speaker 3 African Americans,

Speaker 3 who are indeed there is an issue of

Speaker 3 underrepresentation at Princeton.

Speaker 3 But somehow what it

Speaker 3 when you start to articulate

Speaker 3 what it takes to get around it, you have to come up with solutions which will accept in principle, that people should not be judged according to their merit, but according to

Speaker 3 the percentage they represent in a particular institution.

Speaker 2 Which is exactly the that's exactly what we divorced ourselves from.

Speaker 2 Princeton even had a quota on how many Jews could go there, how many Catholics could go there. I mean,

Speaker 2 we spent decades trying to get it to where it was just based on your merit. And quite honestly, in many cases, white people lose to Asians.

Speaker 2 Correct.

Speaker 3 So, for example, if you look at our department, the mathematics department, which is really the top mathematics department in the country and probably in the world,

Speaker 3 the number of

Speaker 3 white, say,

Speaker 3 U.S. citizens

Speaker 3 represent less than 20%.

Speaker 3 That's the rate for people from all over. And it's not a matter of color.
It's nothing to do with color because we have colored people from India or from

Speaker 3 people who are considered also colored, according to, I don't know, all these.

Speaker 2 I mean, I hate this kind of distinctions anyway, but they are considered colored.

Speaker 3 They are from Brazil, they are from Pakistan, maybe the I mean, you know, name it, it's from all over the world. So the notion that somehow we are racist is ridiculous.

Speaker 2 So, Professor,

Speaker 2 what has the response been to your

Speaker 2 op-ed?

Speaker 3 well so i got a lot of i mean to my surprise i kind of expected i i i wrote a few actually this is this is the the fourth in a series i started to write i never wrote anything uh uh like this i mean you know mathematician i write mathematics papers right for the technical but this was the first time starting with july that i started to uh to get really worried about what's going on and i started to write this is the fourth one that i wrote i only got positive responses to my surprise.

Speaker 2 Oh, wow.

Speaker 2 So everything that

Speaker 3 I got in my mail was positive.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 yeah, I mean, if people are opposed, they somehow don't say it. So this to me,

Speaker 3 it means that somehow

Speaker 3 this therapy disease

Speaker 3 that we see

Speaker 3 is really weak in a sense. I mean, if you push it back, you just have to push it back.
I think you have to have more courage to push back against it.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 I know I want to bring just one name because

Speaker 3 this is a remarkable a remarkable story of Jeff Paul Verrade from Canvas.

Speaker 3 I don't know if I spoke his name correctly, but

Speaker 3 he's a political scientist at Camber College who was

Speaker 3 forced. I mean, everybody in the in the college was supposed to take

Speaker 3 this kind of

Speaker 3 indoctrination courses uh about uh diversity and inclusion and he refused. He was uh told that he has to uh that he should

Speaker 3 be terminated.

Speaker 3 And uh still he refused. He stood on his position and and in the end he won.

Speaker 3 He won with the help by the way, it was with the help of uh of a group of us at Winston who organized around what we call this uh Academic Freedom Alliance. I mean, this alliance has not yet

Speaker 3 started

Speaker 3 effectively, but nevertheless, we took the case of this particular political scientist in the sense that

Speaker 3 we were able to finance his lawyer and

Speaker 3 letters were written to the university. And in the end, they gave up.
The university just gave up. So they allowed this faith, which is pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 I am thrilled to hear that there is somebody who is standing up, and I can't wait until you're really

Speaker 2 ready to push out and be truly effective on a grand scale. But voices like yours and his and what you're doing is so important.

Speaker 2 And I thank you for the courage to speak out. I'm sorry that it had to be somebody from Romania who's just seen it before,

Speaker 2 because that's the kind of thing that makes it very possible and plausible that it could happen in America if Americans that were born here continue to have the arrogance that it could never happen here.

Speaker 2 Professor, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 Sergio Kleinerman is a professor of mathematics at Princeton University.