Ep 80 | 'Weak Liberals Have Enabled Evil to Triumph' | Dennis Prager | The Glenn Beck Podcast

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Speaker 2 In the beginning,

Speaker 2 the universe was silent,

Speaker 2 cloaked in darkness.

Speaker 2 It must have been so peaceful back before the scrawny punks in the black block, you know, started shouting about, oh, dreadlocks and maple syrup, they're all racist.

Speaker 3 Oh.

Speaker 2 In the beginning, those people weren't there. But as the hysteria of 2020 grows louder and more volatile, a few things keep me going.
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Speaker 2 All of which are currently under attack now by bloodthirsty leftist mobs, anarchist radicals who have launched our country into a deep moral turbulence.

Speaker 2 Would you be surprised if we were at civil war in three months?

Speaker 2 Today's guest on the Glenbeck podcast is the unshakable Dennis Prager. For the past few decades, Dennis has challenged the left's most dangerous narratives.
He has fought the left's worst

Speaker 2 depravity and worsening depravity. And he's turned 72.

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Speaker 2 Dennis, I want to start with probably your biggest regret, which has to be you started Prager University as a non-profit organization.

Speaker 3 Oh, that's funny.

Speaker 3 You know, nobody has asked me that. That's very perceptive, but

Speaker 3 it was actually Alan Estron whose idea it was, did want to start it as a for-profit originally.

Speaker 2 And you said no.

Speaker 3 And we, we,

Speaker 3 it's,

Speaker 3 yeah, I didn't think it was a good idea in part

Speaker 3 because I didn't believe it would make a profit.

Speaker 3 Not in part. It was like entirely wise.

Speaker 2 It's like, yeah, I was up for the Harrison Ford role in Star Wars. I turned it down.

Speaker 3 Yeah. That's right.

Speaker 2 So even the smartest among us sometimes have

Speaker 3 you have to understand. No, no, no.
Glenn, you're going to like this because you are a God-centered man. So here is my theory on what happens before we're born.

Speaker 3 There are any number of cues, as the Brits would say, or lines, as we would say in America, that you could stand in. So, for example,

Speaker 3 when God gave gardening ability, I was not in that line. Right.
But there was a very much more important line I was not in, and that was financial acuity. No, no, I'm not joking.
No, I know.

Speaker 3 I don't know how to make money. So

Speaker 3 I've always felt that if I could buy all the books, have the audio system I want and live in a nice house, I am wealthy.

Speaker 3 I never assumed having money made me wealthy, just having these perks that I want, which was stupid. It was completely stupid.
But

Speaker 3 you have hit the perfect example of

Speaker 3 my lack of financial acumen.

Speaker 2 So, but it doesn't, I mean, I do what I do, and I don't do it for money.

Speaker 2 It's nice that I can live in a nice house and I have a nice life, but I don't do it for the money. And

Speaker 2 I know you don't do it for the money either.

Speaker 2 What did you expect Prager University to be?

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 so again,

Speaker 3 I'm very,

Speaker 3 I am very, the word I'm using is transparent.

Speaker 3 Somebody on my radio show, I think it was

Speaker 3 a few months ago just, said, you know,

Speaker 3 we call you Mr. Transparent.

Speaker 3 And I thought, that's correct. That's good.

Speaker 3 At a very early time in my radio career, I thought, why should I hide anything about me?

Speaker 3 The more real I am to people, the more effective I'll be. And it was a gamble and and it worked so so i'll be very transparent here

Speaker 3 i'm very lucky at a very early age i knew exactly what i wanted to do with my life i wrote it in my diary in my junior year in high school i want to influence people to the good i wrote that in my diary at the age of 17

Speaker 3 and uh therefore when you ask uh you know

Speaker 3 what i what i foresaw with regard to prager you

Speaker 3 uh all all i want is to touch people with the wonderful set of values that I think are the answer to evil.

Speaker 3 I have felt since high school that I had a cure for moral cancer.

Speaker 3 And I knew the only problem in my life would be marketing it. And I was right.
I understood at 17 the issue. The issue was not do I have a cure? for evil.
It is how do I get it to enough people.

Speaker 2 You have led an amazing life.

Speaker 2 You were there for the Helsinki Accords with Ronald Reagan.

Speaker 2 I mean, I was just

Speaker 2 a dopey kid, probably

Speaker 2 in my college years,

Speaker 2 you know, still figuring out how to buy milk and make macaroni and cheese on my own. And there you are.
at the Helsinki Accords.

Speaker 2 What do you remember from that? What was...

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 I knew that communism was evil, like I knew Nazism was evil. I claim,

Speaker 3 I take credit

Speaker 3 in the sense that

Speaker 3 I know that I have this gift. I don't take credit for the gift.

Speaker 3 I know good and evil. like a person with perfect pitch knows what an A-flat or an E-flat is.

Speaker 3 And I've known this my whole life. I know it in people that I meet.
That's why I have virtually never been personally hurt by a person in my life. Wow.

Speaker 3 I detect crap

Speaker 3 so quickly

Speaker 3 that it

Speaker 3 would.

Speaker 2 It doesn't explain our friendship then.

Speaker 2 I may be the first to fool you.

Speaker 2 You're correct.

Speaker 3 You're cracking me up. If you turned out to be a bad guy,

Speaker 3 I will then advertise. I was still fired.

Speaker 2 I want all your great wealth, you sitting there in an office looking like Mr. Potter from

Speaker 2 It's a Wonderful Life.

Speaker 2 So tell me.

Speaker 3 So anyway, I knew communism was evil. Yeah.
And

Speaker 3 of course, I knew Nazism was evil, but Nazism was dead and communism wasn't dead.

Speaker 3 Communism is not dead now. Communism is now making its first serious inroads into the United States.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 I don't know how it happened, but my name was given to the president then at that time Reagan.

Speaker 3 I was, let's see, what year would that have been? So yes, he was president from 80 to

Speaker 2 86.

Speaker 3 Oh, so fine.

Speaker 3 I was in my late 30s. Okay.
So yeah, so

Speaker 3 it was a great honor that he would have picked me. What they do is they take two non-diplomats to be

Speaker 3 part of the delegation. So I went to Vienna.

Speaker 3 The Helsinki Accords were the human rights accords signed with the Soviet Union, which of course was a joke to the Soviets, but was not a joke. to people who wanted to be free in Eastern Europe.

Speaker 3 I had spent a lot of time in Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. I knew Russian.
Oh,

Speaker 3 I had a discussion with the Soviet diplomats one day, I'll never forget, where I just said to them, you know,

Speaker 3 we can print whatever we want in America, in our media, including criticizing our government. And he says, no,

Speaker 3 your magazines are just as much part of your government as any of ours. And anyway, we print whatever we believe.
I mean,

Speaker 3 it was like talking to a leftist in America today.

Speaker 3 It was pointless to argue,

Speaker 3 but

Speaker 3 it was a great experience. It was more of an honor.

Speaker 3 I didn't do much for the country in Vienna, but the country did a lot for me.

Speaker 2 How does it feel

Speaker 2 having that conversation then with what you knew was evil?

Speaker 2 And while

Speaker 2 we had a free press, it still was,

Speaker 2 you know, it still was pushed to the left, but it isn't what we have now with the

Speaker 2 cancel culture and everything else.

Speaker 2 What are your thoughts on being there then, seeing that evil, and now

Speaker 3 we have it?

Speaker 2 Now it's over here

Speaker 2 and gaining in strength. Right.

Speaker 3 Well,

Speaker 3 you will find this very interesting, Glenn.

Speaker 3 I'm often asked, you know, what have I, I'm sure you're asked to,

Speaker 3 what have you changed your mind about as you've gotten older? So here is a revelation that came to me in the last,

Speaker 3 really, I would say in the last four years, that shocked me. And it's, I think, a pretty unshockable

Speaker 3 because I don't have much expectation of humanity.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 it is this.

Speaker 3 I studied Russian in order to be able to read Pravda, the Soviet communist newspaper, not in order to be able to order a tuna sandwich, and not in order to be able to read Dostoevsky.

Speaker 3 I was at the School of International Affairs at Colombia. I had only interest in...

Speaker 3 And by the way, to this day, I could say the Soviet Union condemns the Israeli aggressors against the peace-loving people of the Arab countries.

Speaker 3 I could say that in perfect Russian, but I cannot say, can I have a tuna sandwich? So

Speaker 3 that's the joke. I have Pravda Russian.

Speaker 3 It's really a joke. Anyway, I was convinced that

Speaker 3 the ability of the media to brainwash a society depended upon living in a police state.

Speaker 3 And I was wrong. The media can brainwash a society in a free state.
That's what I now understand is happening.

Speaker 2 So,

Speaker 2 Dennis,

Speaker 2 you see it. You have a good judge.
You know who James Lindsay is? The mathematician

Speaker 2 worked with Helen Pluckrose. I can't remember the name of the third guy.
And

Speaker 2 they did the white papers where they just took Mein Kampf and put white males instead of Jews and then had it submitted to

Speaker 3 peer-reviewed. I have not seen that.

Speaker 2 Oh, you have to. They're incredible.
You're right. And they are people that are all liberals.
They're liberals.

Speaker 2 But they're more classic liberals now. And they have

Speaker 2 tried to show that the university system and the peer-reviewed system is nonsense. I mean,

Speaker 2 they wrote a paper and it was peer-reviewed and published that taking your dog to the dog park, if your dog tries to make it with another dog, that's dog rape. And it was peer-reviewed

Speaker 2 and accepted. It's crazy.
Anyway, I talked to him about a year and a half ago, and he said, you know, I'm very concerned about things,

Speaker 2 but he wasn't over the top. I just did a podcast with him a couple of weeks ago, and

Speaker 2 he said a couple of things that were really interesting to me. One,

Speaker 2 he's an agnostic, I think at best. And I said, you know, I've tried to stay away from the word evil over the last five years because I think we overuse it.

Speaker 2 But I look at what's happening in our country and how it's being dismantled and the lies that are being told through critical theory. And there's no other word to describe it but evil.

Speaker 2 He agreed. He said, you know me.
I don't like that word. I don't like any of the theology around it or anything else.
He said, but that is the only word that can describe it.

Speaker 2 And I asked him for a look into the future and

Speaker 2 it wasn't a real optimistic one. He wasn't sure if we make it.
So let me ask you two questions.

Speaker 2 America has been overtaken by something.

Speaker 2 Is it evil that we're all feeling? And how do you see this moving forward?

Speaker 3 Oh, it is evil.

Speaker 3 I don't have a hesitation. The word should not be overused, but no word should be overused.

Speaker 3 Even the word awesome.

Speaker 3 You order

Speaker 3 something in the restaurant and the server goes, oh, awesome.

Speaker 3 Awesome.

Speaker 3 So no word should be overused. But yes, the left has always been evil.
Liberals are not evil. Liberals are weak, which

Speaker 3 enables evil to triumph. But liberalism and leftism have almost nothing in common.
That liberals will not acknowledge this is because they have been

Speaker 3 brainwashed, and I can't think of a better word, into believing that their enemy are conservatives, whereas their enemy is the left.

Speaker 3 As Alan Dershowitz said to me in the movie No Safe Spaces, one could see it, in his apartment in Manhattan.

Speaker 3 He said, Dennis, as a liberal, lifelong liberal, lifelong Democrat,

Speaker 3 American, a Jew, I am far more afraid of the left than of the right.

Speaker 3 Which is exactly how I feel. I am much more afraid of the left in America.

Speaker 3 Yeah, the liberalism.

Speaker 2 The right over in Europe, and this is where it always gets confusing. The right over in Europe, it's just a different, it's like a train track.
One is national socialism and one is global socialism.

Speaker 2 You don't want either of them. Here,

Speaker 2 our left is

Speaker 2 maximum, I'm sorry, our right is maximum freedom. And as close as you can get to anarchy without it,

Speaker 3 indeed, maximum liberalism.

Speaker 3 We really do, we don't want to close down left-wing thought.

Speaker 2 Right.

Speaker 3 Well, they want to close us down for a good reason. A, the left has never been pro-liberty.
Never. From Marx to Lenin to Soros

Speaker 3 to

Speaker 3 the

Speaker 3 contemporary Democratic Party and your local university, the left has never been pro-liberty. French Revolution versus American Revolution is your classic example.

Speaker 3 Liberals have always been for liberty, but liberals are useful idiots to the left. And the left uses every group.
But if you want to ask me about that, that's fine afterwards.

Speaker 3 So yes, to your first question, yes, it is evil. To destroy the greatest country that has ever been made.
And remember, unlike the left, I compare America to other countries, not to utopia.

Speaker 3 They compare, that's why their favorite song is John Lennon's Imagine. They imagine a world where everything is perfect.
I never imagined that.

Speaker 3 You know, here's the irony.

Speaker 3 I tell my fellow Jews, most of whom are on the left, if there's any group that should be afraid of what happens when civilization gets weakened, it's us Jews because the building first falls on us.

Speaker 3 When the pillars of civilization crumble, Jews get hit first, never last.

Speaker 3 but always first. So

Speaker 3 that Jews would be pro-left

Speaker 3 is not only morally awful, it is suicidal. But listen, Americans are committing suicide right now by voting left.
I mean, just the way around it.

Speaker 3 Your other question was with regard to optimism and where do I see this going? Yeah.

Speaker 3 Ask me after Election Day.

Speaker 3 If the left, which is now the Democratic Party, it's no longer liberal. If the left takes over both houses of Congress and the presidency,

Speaker 3 I cannot see reason for optimism. However, I just want to make something clear, as I have to my listeners for quite some time now.
I don't fight based on whether I'm optimistic or not.

Speaker 3 The guys who stormed Normandy Beach were not optimists. If they were, they wouldn't be peeing in their pants,

Speaker 3 as depicted very powerfully in Saving Private Ryan.

Speaker 3 I don't fight because I'm an optimist. I fight because I have to.
It's true.

Speaker 3 The guys who fought for liberty and America before me were asked to give up their lives. I'm not asked to give up my life.
So the least I could do is fight while I'm living. So

Speaker 3 I don't really ask myself, am I optimistic? I ask myself, what do I have to do?

Speaker 2 So, you know, Dennis, I was with...

Speaker 2 I was with one of the righteous among the nations,

Speaker 2 and I've told this story a thousand times.

Speaker 2 She was a woman, 16 years old. She started saving Jews from Auschwitz.
She was in Poland. Then the Iron Curtain came.

Speaker 2 She couldn't speak about it because nothing really had changed with the Russians coming in. She wasn't open about any of it until the wall came down.

Speaker 2 And I took my family to visit her and to learn from her. And one of the last things she said,

Speaker 2 I said, the tree of righteousness is in everyone. How do you water it? And she looked at me and she said, you misunderstand.
The righteous didn't suddenly become become righteous.

Speaker 2 They just refused to go over the cliff with the rest of society.

Speaker 2 That I understand more every single day. The courage that it takes

Speaker 2 to hide a Jew, to hide anyone,

Speaker 2 doesn't happen if you don't have the courage and the backbone to stand right now and say, no, that's not true.

Speaker 3 I'm not going to go down that road with you.

Speaker 2 Tell me how people

Speaker 2 grow

Speaker 2 in courage. How do you water that?

Speaker 3 Well, number one, I mean, you know, which is typical of you to ask these perceptive questions.

Speaker 3 Number one, I have said all of my life, the rarest of the good traits is courage.

Speaker 3 There are many nice people, kind people, honest people, loyal people,

Speaker 3 but there are very few courageous people. And the problem is all the good traits are worthless without courage.

Speaker 3 Nice cowards are as dangerous as evil cowards.

Speaker 3 So cowardice is the human norm. This is...

Speaker 2 Explain that. Can you explain that?

Speaker 3 Yeah, sure.

Speaker 3 It takes no effort to be a coward. That comes with your nature.
We're all afraid.

Speaker 3 I think I'm courageous, but it doesn't mean I don't have fears. It means I don't allow them to dictate what I do.

Speaker 3 No, I've given a speech actually how to be courageous.

Speaker 3 It's at thepragerstore.com. I'm not trying to make money.

Speaker 2 Oh, yes, you are. Man, that guy will bilk you for every dime you've got.
Look out.

Speaker 3 He's cracked up.

Speaker 3 Yeah,

Speaker 3 I wish I were crafty, as I said said earlier. But anyway, people should know.

Speaker 3 I gave a speech on it.

Speaker 3 People were asking me because a lot of people would like to become courageous. The first thing you have to do is want to be courageous.

Speaker 3 You can't be courageous. It's not by magic.
It's like, how do I play piano? Well, the first thing you have to do is want to play piano.

Speaker 3 And then you practice playing piano. So you want to be courageous, and then you practice being courageous.

Speaker 2 how do you practice that in small ways?

Speaker 3 Okay, I'll tell you how.

Speaker 3 It's a very important question

Speaker 3 and I'll tell you some of the ways. One way is

Speaker 3 that you ask yourself, this is just a practical question. What is the worst that could happen to me? So let's say you speak out on your on your social media and you send a Glenn Beck blaze piece.

Speaker 3 Okay? Thoughtful. The blaze is terrific, by the way.
I read it every day.

Speaker 3 And so you send that out to friends.

Speaker 3 I would just

Speaker 3 respectfully request you read this.

Speaker 3 People won't do it because they're afraid. But what are you afraid of? That you'll be defriended?

Speaker 3 Why do you want to befriended by people who are so awful as to defriend you because you sent an article they don't agree with? Would you do that? I wouldn't. Right.

Speaker 3 If somebody in my life, a relative or an acquaintance or even a friend, sent me an article from moveon.org or

Speaker 3 the equivalent, the New York Times,

Speaker 3 I would read it. I probably already did read it because I actually read the New York Times because for the same reason I read Pravda.
I want to know what the other side says. Wow.

Speaker 3 And

Speaker 3 so the first thing you have to do is ask, what is the worst that could happen? Now, if the worst that could happen is if you save a Jew and the Nazis find you, they'll kill you.

Speaker 3 I don't judge people who didn't rescue Jews in the Holocaust. I judge people who participated in snitching on Jews.
But that

Speaker 3 people did not risk their lives to save a stranger, I don't expect that much from most human beings. But in America, to stand up to the left,

Speaker 3 your life isn't threatened. Maybe friends will befriend you, defriend you.
But okay, so when you ask what's the worst that could happen, that could already begin to give you courage.

Speaker 3 Number two, you have to not want to be liked by everyone. People should seek, this is really important,

Speaker 3 you should seek to be loved only

Speaker 3 by your spouse and your friends. That's it.
You cannot do any other thing in life well if you seek to be loved. You will not be a good teacher.
You will not be a good leader.

Speaker 3 You will not be a good talk show host. You will not even be a good parent.
If a parent wants to be loved every day of their lives, they will not be a good parent.

Speaker 3 You should seek to be loved by your spouse and your friends. That's your peers.
That's it.

Speaker 2 So James, I think it was James,

Speaker 2 said to me,

Speaker 2 Glenn, you have to say the first thing you have to do, everybody needs to draw a line. They need to know, where's your line?

Speaker 2 Because it'll continue to move if you don't say, you know what, they crossed this line and that's just too much for me.

Speaker 2 And if you don't know it and don't set it. But as we were talking, they've already crossed so many lines.
I mean, you know, but I'm speaking out. Others are not.

Speaker 2 What lines are left here, Dennis, to get people to be able to say, okay, that's a reasonable line that if they cross this, I got to stand up?

Speaker 3 That's a really excellent point. I didn't make it in my speech.

Speaker 3 I would have added it

Speaker 3 had you told it to me earlier.

Speaker 3 That's right. So I'll give you a living example.
I get this call or email

Speaker 3 periodically, if not regularly. Dennis, what do I tell my daughter? She's at college, and she said to me, mom, if I write what I think,

Speaker 3 meaning not leftist,

Speaker 3 I will get a bad grade.

Speaker 3 So I say to the parent, and I've said so often, I sort of have it memorized, and I say, look, I can't tell you what to tell your child, but you're asking me. So I can only tell you this.

Speaker 3 This is what I would say as the non-parent to your child. If you compromise on what you believe

Speaker 3 for a grade,

Speaker 3 when will you not compromise on what you believe?

Speaker 2 Boy, that's an indictment. I mean, I'm just reviewing, you know.

Speaker 2 Well,

Speaker 3 it's a challenge more than an indictment.

Speaker 3 You have to say to yourself, what you just said, Glenn,

Speaker 3 where is my line? Okay, so I shut up

Speaker 3 and be one of the herd for a grade. When will I not shut up and be one of the herd? Grades are not that important.
Livelihood is more important than grades, just to give an example.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 when will you take a stand if you don't take a stand in college for a bloody grade?

Speaker 2 I'll tell you, Dennis, and I'm sure you've gone through this, but there was a point in my career where, right before I left Fox, that I knew if I didn't leave,

Speaker 2 I would not leave with my soul.

Speaker 2 And this is why. There comes a point to where you've convinced yourself that you have influence and you now are positioned to be able to do things that you couldn't do before.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 yeah, there's some compromises that you have to make, but you know, compromise is a part of life, etc. And I was so

Speaker 2 shook to the center of my being.

Speaker 2 You don't leave. You start wanting this.
You start saying, well, I know, but you're done. You're done.
You lose your soul.

Speaker 3 Well, I could give you a parallel you'll find fascinating. In the 1990s, I had a national TV show.
It was on all over the country. No, I remember.

Speaker 2 You do? I do.

Speaker 3 You're one of the 11 Americans you remember. Right.
I've met nine of the others. Yeah.

Speaker 2 Yeah, we're having a convention, a get-together.

Speaker 3 Yes, that's right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 In my bathroom.

Speaker 3 In your bathroom, exactly.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 one day they come to me because, you know, on TV, there are ratings every day on like radio, you know, once every 14 years.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 they came to me, the producers, and they said, Dennis, you know,

Speaker 3 it's a great show. And it was a great show, as it happens,

Speaker 3 but it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 They said, we got to spice it up, though. which meant sex.

Speaker 3 Now, you have to understand, I have very libertarian views on consensual sex, just for the record. However,

Speaker 3 I knew I wasn't given my gifts by God or by nature, but I think by God, but doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 I wasn't given the gifts I have in order to have semi-nudity on a national television show, which is what they wanted. They wanted lingerie models to come on the show.

Speaker 2 That would have been so weird.

Speaker 3 Well, yes, essentially, that's right. So interestingly, by the way,

Speaker 3 I said,

Speaker 3 I will allow it once.

Speaker 3 I drew my line, but

Speaker 3 I will not be with the models, which I never saw them, as it happens. Number two, it was people from Fredericks of Hollywood,

Speaker 3 which, you know, has lingerie and stuff, which I'm totally support such industries. That's fine.
But

Speaker 3 I will talk to them intellectually about the issue of sex between, you know, between couples, sexual titillation, which are very legitimate subjects for serious discourse. I allowed it once.

Speaker 3 It was the highest rated of my shows. And I never, and I said, that was it.
I said to you once, but that is it. And of course, ultimately, the show lasted a grand total of six months.

Speaker 3 But I felt, as you were just describing,

Speaker 3 I am not in media to be in the media. I am in it to do good.
If I can't do good, I have no interest in being in it.

Speaker 2 So, but that's that's a problem now, Dennis, because

Speaker 2 you know, they used to accuse people like us, we're only saying these things for ratings and for money. Well, people are saying these things now for likes and friends on Facebook.

Speaker 2 Um, you know, our audience has an audience, so now everyone is in the same boat, and there seems to be this

Speaker 2 love affair with

Speaker 2 fame

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 being liked, which I think fame is battery acid to the soul. It is the fame and fortune, the combination of the two,

Speaker 2 the most destructive thing to any human soul.

Speaker 3 We all know about

Speaker 3 young

Speaker 3 popular figures in music or or Hollywood,

Speaker 3 And then you read, they couldn't handle the fame and or the fortune. I have actually said two things about this.
One is

Speaker 3 I believe that fame

Speaker 3 is more difficult for young people to handle or even middle-aged people than heroin.

Speaker 3 You can break away. And we all know people who have been addicted, but if you're addicted to fame, it's almost impossible.
Yeah.

Speaker 3 So number two, you will love this. So I get a big kick out of talking to kids.
So I will go into a seventh grade class and I will, what do you want to be when you grow up?

Speaker 3 And the most common answer is famous. Famous.

Speaker 3 And then I go, Glenn, you'll doubly love this. So I go, famous for what?

Speaker 3 Which they've never thought about in their lives. And they go, it doesn't matter.
I say, well, what if you're famous for most hamburgers eaten? Great.

Speaker 3 Not

Speaker 3 conquering cancer. Right.
Most hamburgers eaten.

Speaker 2 Right, right.

Speaker 2 And it is a, it's weird because we are now entering a time where

Speaker 2 you can be the most genuine and the most real.

Speaker 2 that people are starving for authentic people. Just starving.
It's why you're successful. Correct.

Speaker 2 Yes. You know, just, I'm going to tell you, I don't really care what the consequences are.
This is just what I believe. And they're starving for that.

Speaker 2 And yet, our children are being raised on social media to pose. There's nothing real on social media.
And you can see it in the, you know, what I remember.

Speaker 2 I was in top 40 radio and it's when I knew I had to get out.

Speaker 2 I was doing, I was judging some, I don't know, cover girl modeling thing, and they did 20-somethings. And then they also had

Speaker 2 young teenagers and preteens that were modeling.

Speaker 2 And I was so grossed out by the 12-year-olds that were acting sexy. They had no idea what sexy even was.

Speaker 2 They were just reenacting what they saw people do. That's our whole society now.

Speaker 2 They're just acting like those people.

Speaker 3 Maybe you'll remember better than I, but it's very recent, like even within the last 10 days,

Speaker 3 where there's a movie out

Speaker 3 and it's, yeah, Netflix released it. By the way, Netflix did not allow no safe spaces to be streamed.
This great film Adam Caroll and I are in about free speech.

Speaker 3 That's not okay for Netflix. but 12-year-old girls twerking is

Speaker 3 that that's okay.

Speaker 2 Yeah,

Speaker 2 we were talking about this earlier today on the radio. I don't know

Speaker 2 when it happened, but it is impossible now to watch anything that

Speaker 2 does not cross every boundary

Speaker 2 that we would never have crossed 10 years ago. That you cannot find.
And I've brought things to Netflix. I've brought stories to Netflix.
I've brought them to Amazon.

Speaker 2 And they say there's no appetite.

Speaker 2 That's not true.

Speaker 2 There's got to be people in this country that still want to watch things that are good, funny, maybe a little edgy here and there, but are not pornographic and not, you know, has a little higher brow than the F word.

Speaker 3 That's right. Well, I mean, look, your success is an example.

Speaker 3 The fact that PragerU gets a billion views a year and that 65% are under the age of 35.

Speaker 3 You know,

Speaker 3 we have pretty sophisticated stuff on the internet. Yeah, I know.
And it's drawing a lot of people.

Speaker 3 You know what? I'll give you an amazing little piece of data.

Speaker 3 Because of the, I believe now I originally called it the greatest mistake

Speaker 3 that humanity has made. Not the greatest evil, I made that clear, but the greatest mistake, the worldwide lockdown.

Speaker 3 I was right.

Speaker 3 I'm more right every day. Now I believe it's criminal.
I think it's gone from mistake to a crime. But in any of the...
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

Speaker 2 Wait, wait, wait. I want to stop and talk to you about that.
First of all, the biggest mistake.

Speaker 2 I'm playing devil's advocate here. I think I can justify this in my mind.

Speaker 2 But how can you say this was the biggest mistake in the history of the world, and yet it was done by the guy, Donald Trump, that you support?

Speaker 3 His instinct was not to do it.

Speaker 3 He understood

Speaker 3 he was in no man's land.

Speaker 3 If he didn't call for it, And by the way, he has no power to enforce it, so it's almost irrelevant what he came out for. It's governors and mayors.
But

Speaker 3 every death would have been attributed to him if we didn't have a national lockdown. We should have done what Sweden did.
Every country should have done what Sweden did.

Speaker 3 The virus will take a certain number of lives. It is a tragedy.
It has been true of all viruses.

Speaker 3 We have crushed children. We have crushed the society.
We have ruined tens of millions of people's livelihoods.

Speaker 3 and

Speaker 3 in the name of pseudoscience.

Speaker 2 So now

Speaker 2 give me the second half. Now you say it's crossed over into criminal.

Speaker 3 Yes.

Speaker 3 In California, that

Speaker 3 restaurants are still closed for in-room dining is, I believe, a crime. I do not understand how Gavin Newsom gets away with it.

Speaker 3 I really don't.

Speaker 3 The supine nature of the American people is one of the most distressing aspects of this.

Speaker 3 I had a rally three months ago in front of City Hall, in front of another little man with great power, Eric Garcetti, the mayor of Los Angeles. I spoke

Speaker 3 at a rally to open up Los Angeles three months ago. Only 200 people came.
By the way, I hugged 40 people, mask-free.

Speaker 3 And one of the reasons is that

Speaker 3 I believe that I will be taken care of because of hydroxychloroquine and zinc.

Speaker 3 This is one of the scandals of my lifetime that

Speaker 3 the social media shut down doctors, epidemiologists

Speaker 3 who tell you the obvious truth. Uganda has virtually no deaths.
One of the poorest countries in the world. You know why?

Speaker 3 Because almost everybody is already taking it for malaria.

Speaker 2 Yeah.

Speaker 2 I'll tell you, Dennis, everybody in my family was diagnosed with COVID within two days of each other.

Speaker 2 As soon as anyone in the family had symptoms,

Speaker 2 I was symptom-free, but everybody else started getting sick. I took zinc, what is it, butrenol, and hydroxychloroquine.
Never got it.

Speaker 2 I have a compromised immune system. I'm the most vulnerable to it.

Speaker 3 Right.

Speaker 3 Exactly.

Speaker 2 So

Speaker 3 are you thinking? Anyway, so I just want,

Speaker 3 I remember one of my tasks, whenever, because of radio and speaking, I remember where the discussion began. Okay, sorry.

Speaker 3 I don't. No, no, no, no, no, no.
It was my task to remember it. So

Speaker 3 because of the lockdown,

Speaker 3 people could not go on Passover to, Jews could not go to other Jews' homes or non-Jews go to Jews' homes for the Passover Seder.

Speaker 3 So I conducted one on the internet with my dear friend of mine who is a psychiatrist at UCLA Medical School.

Speaker 3 So I conducted this with my friend and I expected a couple of thousand people. I'm only making your point about the hunger for quality.

Speaker 3 Do you know how many people saw it on YouTube? And there's 250,000 people a Passover Seder.

Speaker 3 Quarter of a million views. And you figure most of the views, very few people are alone.
That's like half a million people.

Speaker 3 And it's not, you know, there were no visuals. I'm just sitting there

Speaker 3 with matzah. Right.

Speaker 3 And matzah is not sexy.

Speaker 3 So

Speaker 3 the hunger for quality, obviously, this is key. It's another.
Another time I come on your show, I will just, I could do an hour on one word, interesting.

Speaker 3 The the essence of communication is to be interesting and i learned it because i'm in music i conduct orchestras and i i my whole life i have wondered why do i prefer this conductor's brahms forth to this conductor's broms forth and it's been my whole life i've been trying why do i i don't understand then i realized this guy holds my interest this guy didn't

Speaker 3 You're interesting. If you weren't, you would be in a different field.

Speaker 3 I am interesting. You can disagree with me, anything, but I'm interested.
Interesting is everything. So you have to make a Passover Seder interesting.

Speaker 3 A lot of religious Christians and religious Jews forgot to make their religions interesting, not phony relevant with a guitar. Interesting.

Speaker 2 Dennis,

Speaker 2 are you familiar with the World Economics, the World Economic Forum's The Great Reset?

Speaker 3 No,

Speaker 2 would you do me a favor sometime today, go to the World Economic Forum and look at the Great Reset? Go to their website, look it up. Okay, when you say it's criminal,

Speaker 2 yeah, when you say it's criminal, um, I believe we have tied together uh several big organizations, um, and the World Economic Forum is right there in the leadership role for the Great Reset, where we we're not going to have uh um normal, we're not going to return.

Speaker 2 They are now talking about,

Speaker 2 I can't remember exactly what they call it, but it was like socialist capitalism.

Speaker 2 What it is, is national socialism. You might still own the company, but the government will tell you what to do with it.

Speaker 3 And it is a global reset that they're working on. Yes.

Speaker 3 Basically, China will be the model. Yeah.

Speaker 2 It's terrifying. It's really terrifying.

Speaker 3 It is. Yes.

Speaker 2 So Dennis,

Speaker 2 talk to me a little bit about the fight you've had with Google

Speaker 2 and the

Speaker 2 I've I've been saying recently on the air

Speaker 2 voices have been silenced

Speaker 2 recently in America

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 it seems strangely to be no big deal for a lot of people. It's a big deal when you silence somebody on the left or the right to me.
I'm a free speech absolutist.

Speaker 2 And I stand up for people on the left when they are silenced. And people I vehemently disagree with, because that's when you have to stand up.

Speaker 2 But I've been saying recently that if the left

Speaker 2 wins and gets their way,

Speaker 2 voices like yours, voices like mine, once Donald Trump stops being the giant giant flackjacket that he has become and the attacks are zeroed back in on talk radio, et cetera, et cetera, if they're in charge, we don't survive.

Speaker 2 You agree with that or is that hyperbolic?

Speaker 3 There is no example of leftists in power and free speech remaining. It doesn't exist in human history.

Speaker 3 Liberals, great. Conservatives, great.
Left,

Speaker 3 as I said,

Speaker 3 they do, well, liberty, not just even, they don't, liberty is not a left-wing value. Equality of result, not equality of opportunity.
Equality of result, it might be a value.

Speaker 3 In other words, it's the French Revolution versus the American Revolution.

Speaker 3 That's, or even now, I would say the Russian Revolution versus the American Revolution. It's even worse.
So there's no question.

Speaker 3 Look, 50% of young Americans, or 48%,

Speaker 3 something one of the two,

Speaker 3 believe, they say, oh, we believe in free speech, but not for hate speech.

Speaker 3 But of course, that means you don't believe in free speech.

Speaker 3 I'll give you an example, Glenn.

Speaker 3 Again, from my Jewish background, when I was a kid, Nazis, I mean real Nazis, not conservatives called Nazis by leftists.

Speaker 3 Real Nazis with real swastikas marched in Skokie, Illinois, a suburb of Chicago. The reason, because they're particularly cruel, was to march where a lot of Holocaust survivors were living,

Speaker 3 which was in Skokie.

Speaker 3 Almost every Jewish organization that I could think of defended their right to march. People who advocate essentially the genocide of Jews.
That is how committed people are and were.

Speaker 3 to free speech in America, including myself. Do you know that America is one of the only countries in the West that allows Holocaust denial,

Speaker 3 which is

Speaker 3 one of the most incredible lies in history? It's the most documented event in history, the Holocaust. And there are people, because they hate Jews, so they deny that the Holocaust happened.

Speaker 3 In Europe, you can actually be fined or go to prison for Holocaust denial. In the United States, you want to say there was no Holocaust?

Speaker 3 Fine, say that, you know, you could say, you know, there was no slavery. You can make up anything you want.

Speaker 3 But this is dying.

Speaker 3 When I was a kid,

Speaker 3 and I suspect you recall this as well,

Speaker 3 the commonality of, you know, well, I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it.

Speaker 3 You sort of memorize that line. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 I heard it a lot growing up.

Speaker 3 Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 So, Dennis, I know we're short on time.

Speaker 2 And I'm sorry, but I'm just pumping you for all personal information.

Speaker 2 I don't know if this is good or entertaining for anybody, you know, but I'm personally interested in a few things.

Speaker 2 I've studied revolutions for the last 20 years.

Speaker 2 I have studied Marxist revolutions

Speaker 2 and

Speaker 2 coups.

Speaker 2 And because of that, I was pilloried in public space for a long time by saying, hey, what's happening over in Egypt?

Speaker 2 That's

Speaker 2 not what you're seeing here.

Speaker 2 This is orchestrated. What you're seeing in the Arab Spring is orchestrated, and it's being orchestrated by some very big people, and it's going to spread.

Speaker 2 And they're going to do the same thing here, and we're going to be... We're going to be a bigger Israel.
And it will be the Palestinians

Speaker 2 against Israel. It'll be the whomever against the United States, and we'll be the big aggressors.
And

Speaker 2 yada, yada, yada. Um, as I look at things, I hope we don't go down these roads, but uh, history will tell you that, um,

Speaker 2 uh,

Speaker 2 it happens.

Speaker 2 I feel like, um,

Speaker 2 I don't, I don't, there's no place to go, so I can't be the Jew that jumped out of Germany so early.

Speaker 2 But I am a Mormon. We're the Jews of the Christian world.

Speaker 2 And, you know, our heritage with women and everything else,

Speaker 2 they're going to pounce on us. They're going to be, we're going to be the first sacrifice.
And Christians will turn their heads because they don't know Mormons. They don't care about Mormons.

Speaker 2 They think that we're not really Christians or whatever. And basically the same, we have the same kind of

Speaker 2 separation culture as the Jews do in some ways. And I just think we're going to be the first of the Christians.

Speaker 2 Your guys are going to be the first ones as Jews, but for Christians, we'll be thrown to the lions.

Speaker 3 What do I look for?

Speaker 2 What do I look for, Dennis?

Speaker 2 When do you say it's time to get out of Germany? It's time to re-evaluate things.

Speaker 3 The very fact that we're even discussing this

Speaker 3 has got to be a shock to the system.

Speaker 3 Four years ago, let alone 40,

Speaker 3 we would not be having such a discussion because nobody would

Speaker 3 think of leaving America.

Speaker 3 You think of stopping

Speaker 3 100 million of coming in because this is the place you want to go to.

Speaker 3 There is no guarantee that

Speaker 3 the forces that loathe liberty will not take over.

Speaker 3 Liberty, as I have been telling people

Speaker 3 at speeches and in my writings, my radio, liberty is a value, not an instinct.

Speaker 3 There's a big difference. Breathing is an instinct.
Sex is an instinct. Liberty is a learned value.

Speaker 3 Humans want to be taken care of much more than they want to be free.

Speaker 3 Guess where I learned this? In the good old Bible, which, by the way, is the source of the problem because without the Bible, this country is wisdom-free. It got its wisdom from the Bible.

Speaker 3 The most Bible-free place is the university, and it is the most wisdom-free place in America.

Speaker 3 So I just, I want to, this is one plug I want to make.

Speaker 3 I am I know biblical Hebrew very well and I've been teaching the Bible all of my life and I am writing a commentary on the first five books of the Bible the most important if I can say because everything is rooted Christianity the rest of the Old Testament is all rooted in the Torah the first five books I have two volumes out.

Speaker 3 It's called the Rational Bible. If people want to go to Amazon, they could read 1,600 reviews of people, many of whom are agnostic, and said, this thing made me rethink my agnosticism.

Speaker 3 So I'll give you an example of a wisdom thing I learned when I was 10.

Speaker 3 The Jews leave Egypt. They were slaves for hundreds of years, right? What is the first thing they do? They complain to Moses, let's go back to Egypt.
We ate better.

Speaker 3 They weren't starving in the wilderness. They just preferred the food in Egypt.

Speaker 3 People rather be well-fed slaves than less well-fed, not starving, just less well-fed free people. That's the human condition.

Speaker 3 That is why the Bible is eternal, because it's rooted in human nature, and human nature is eternal. And one of the aspects of human nature that is eternal is that liberty is a value.

Speaker 3 What is on the liberty bell? A verse from the Torah, from Leviticus. And you shall proclaim liberty throughout the land to all its inhabitants.
Leviticus chapter 25.

Speaker 3 By the way, it shows you how the founders knew their Bible. Who knows Leviticus?

Speaker 3 You ask an American what's Leviticus? He'll think it's a horse running in the third and aqueduct.

Speaker 2 Same with Deuteronomy at this point. And Deuteronomy is, I mean, that was the biggest source for any of our laws

Speaker 2 for everyone else was Deuteronomy.

Speaker 2 Dennis, first of all, let me give you a plug for your book.

Speaker 2 I have read your books, your two books on the Bible,

Speaker 2 and I just think they are so important. And Christians don't understand

Speaker 2 unless you have,

Speaker 2 you can read the Bible and King James, but unless you understand it

Speaker 2 with somebody who reads Hebrew and understands all the oral traditions and everything else,

Speaker 2 you've never read the Old Testament. You've never read it.

Speaker 2 And

Speaker 2 it is your life's work. And

Speaker 3 the rational Bible, because I only use reason.

Speaker 3 Reason takes me to God.

Speaker 2 Can we do this again sometime, Dennis? I really.

Speaker 3 Well, you are a total joy anytime you want.

Speaker 2 God bless you. Thank you very much.

Speaker 3 And for the same fee.

Speaker 2 There he goes. Piling the cash again.

Speaker 2 Dennis Frager, thank you.

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