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Oh, so the New Jersey governor, he's a Democrat, Phil Murphy.

He has finally ended his use of a desk formerly owned by Woodrow Wilson.

I mean, I have to start with the Woodrow Wilson stuff, don't I?

Really?

I hate that guy.

Anyway, social media took notice of the desk when Murphy tweeted a very genuine and heartfelt picture of himself behind the desk, observing a moment of silence for George Floyd.

Oh,

that is so great.

And then people started saying, wait a minute,

didn't that desk belong to Woodrow Wilson that you're sitting behind?

The guy who re-segregated the military, hosted a screening of the KKK film Birth of a Nation.

You know, isn't it that guy that owned that desk?

Well,

he acted on that.

New Jersey, he is doing the things that really matter.

He got a new desk, and he thanked all of the people for pointing out that that was his desk.

He completely forgot.

And here's the good news.

Michelle Obama has praised now Princeton for removing Woodrow Wilson's name from school.

And I think that is really, really great.

Unless you remember Forbes magazine, quote, Barack Obama is the 21st Century Woodrow Wilson.

Both will be remembered as great presidents.

Or the flashback to Politico, Woodrow Wilson is the model for Obama.

Or the Star Tribune, Woodrow Wilson.

is the model for Obama.

It's another story.

Or how about this one?

Obama used Woodrow Wilson's 1917 Espionage Act to go after reporters.

So,

is she really sincere that she's glad that Woodrow Wilson, or is she one of those that didn't like his racism, but all of his other isms were totally fine?

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I'm very excited for tomorrow night's broadcast and tonight's broadcast.

It really actually starts tonight.

Tonight at 9 o'clock on Blaze TV, we dismantle the New York Times 1619 project.

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The 1619 project

is something that is being pushed for our schools and is in many of our schools, and it is a dangerous poison.

What's funny is it's exactly the same poison that was used

in the 1850s.

They tried to get us to believe that we were the country that was founded in Jamestown, not with the Pilgrims.

The Pilgrims were the answer to Jamestown.

And the New York Times is just dismissing all of that.

And we will take these dangerous lies, verifiable lies tonight apart.

This is something you should watch with your entire family.

It's an exercise in critical thinking

and questioning authority and questioning what they're trying to tell you is true.

Now, that's coming up at 9 o'clock tonight.

Then tomorrow at 8 p.m.

is Restoring Hope.

And we're Restoring Hope by Restoring the Covenant.

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This is, I have been writing and writing and writing for three weeks.

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All right, I want to tell you about two people now that I think need your support.

No, I don't think.

I know need your support.

The first one is a Catholic priest.

His name is Father Theodore Rothrock.

Attention, all Catholics.

You need to rally around this priest.

Father Theodore Rothrock of Saint Elizabeth Seton Catholic Church in Carmel, Indiana.

Last Sunday, he did what every church should be doing.

He stood at the pulpit and he said, I want to talk to you about Black Lives Matter.

The people who are behind this, the only lives that matter are their own, and the only power they seek is their own.

They are wolves in wolves' clothing, mask thieves and bandits seeking only to devour the life of the poor and profit from the fear of others.

They are maggots and parasites at best, feeding off isolation of addiction and broken families, and offering to replace and current frustration and anxiety with more misery and greater resentment.

Now he gave this speech and then it was published online, and it has been taken down.

He condemned the destruction of the monuments, questioned whether Frederick Douglass and Martin Luther King would have been marching with Black Lives Matter's demonstrators.

He said, Black Lives Matter and Tifa and other nefarious acolytes of their persuasion are not the friends or allies we have been led to believe.

They are serpents in the garden, seeking only to uproot and replant a new species of human made in the likeness of men and not in the image of God.

Their poison is more toxic than any pandemic we have ever endured.

Wow.

So now what's happened is there's a new newly formed advocacy group called Carmel Against Racial Injustice, and they called the bishop, Timothy Dougherty, of the

diocese of Lafayette in Indiana, to remove Rothrock from leadership and require training and ongoing education for priests and deacons on systematic racism and diversity.

The group said silence is the action of being complicit in injustice.

That's really funny because that's my point to you today.

Silence in the face of evil is evil itself.

God will not hold us blameless.

There is no excuse.

You can find out exactly who these people are by going to the website blacklivesmatter.org.

You read what they want to do.

One of the things they now admit that they want to do, this site used to be much, much worse, but they left things in, including Comrade three times, but who's counting?

Well, okay, I am.

But the big thing that you need to see is they are for the destruction of the nuclear family.

If that's not evil, if that isn't something that every single priest, pastor, rabbi should be screaming from the pulpit right now,

that is evil.

Now, this guy has he has had his

sermon taken down.

He has been pulled away from

his post, at least for a while.

the

people that are rallying against him said we cannot stand idly by and allow a leader of a church that's served 6,000 Carmel families to pass off hateful and racist rhetoric as gospel.

That he is not lying.

He is telling the truth.

This man is a Dietrich Bonhoeffer.

This man is somebody who is willing to go to the gallows to speak the truth.

And shame on every Catholic that doesn't recognize this.

If you don't believe his words, read Black Lives Matter, their own website.

You cannot stand with these people.

It is exactly the same as what the Nazis did.

They came in, they said all the kinds of stuff that the Germans were feeling,

and people went, well, yeah, well, I don't agree with them on all the other stuff, but they're right about this.

You must not empower these people.

Now,

the bishop of the area said he didn't approve or preview Rothrock's message before it was published.

I expect Father Rothrock to issue a clarification about his intended message.

I think he did.

I think he was awfully clear there, Bishop.

I have not known him to depart from church teaching in matters of doctrine and social justice.

This

brand of social justice is evil.

Is

evil.

Attention, Catholics.

If you don't stop this in Indiana, you will not stop it.

His name again is Father Theodore Rothrock of St.

Elizabeth Seton Catholic Church in Carmel, Indiana.

Call the Archdiocese.

Attention, Catholics.

Stop it now before you lose the soul of your church and lose your own soul because you're quiet.

This guy is an example of one of the people we need to be supporting right now.

You must let your voice be heard.

All of the Catholics in Carmel, Indiana should be in the streets in front of of the bishop or the Archdiocese headquarters.

You must not let this stand.

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All right.

Are you watching Tucker Carlson?

Tucker and I

don't agree on everything,

but we agree on the sanctity of the United States, the Constitution of the United States, and the rights of all people to be free

and to live a life without fear.

And he is on the tip of the spear right now.

I watched him last night, and I have to tell you, it was a compelling argument and a compelling

monologue.

I watched him, and I thought,

there ain't anybody else out there doing this.

This is a

my very next thought was,

he is so much danger.

I urge you to support Tucker.

Watch his show.

Read his work.

Listen to what he's saying.

As he said last night, time is running short, and it really is up to you.

And here's a few things you can do.

And I want you to start doing them right now.

Begin with this.

Stop.

Stop what you're doing if you are silent or

you find yourself saying things

because the crowd is saying.

Do not deny the reality.

Do not go over the cliff with the rest of humanity.

America is a good place.

We have done done wrong.

We haven't lived up to our promise, but we are still the best hope of the world.

If we turn our back on the Constitution and our national mission statement,

we're doomed.

If we turn back to that and God,

God,

our freedom, our peace, our wives, our children.

We must make a stand for those things because if we don't,

we lose them all.

If we begin to say, well, I understand whites are America is systematically racist, and if I'm white, I have systematic sin that's really unforgivable.

Then we cease to be American, and worse, we dare

call ourselves Christians.

It's mocking God.

Now, I think personally that the president is letting the left hang themselves, which seems to be happening.

I've got some really interesting and good things to report for you today.

But there is a time soon

where we will need to see justice.

There's a time soon where this

DOJ

better do its damn job.

We've lost faith in the GOP because they don't deserve our faith.

But if we lose in November,

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The left is controlling the DNC.

The party has given them the reins.

And look at the chaos they have brought.

And if you think voices won't be silenced, you've got another thing coming.

This is why you must not remain silent.

I want to see people, I will believe that we stand a chance when I will see people surrounding the Archbishop's

headquarters in the diocese in Indiana

and supporting the voice of this priest.

This priest is right.

We have lost our prosperity.

We have lost our security.

We are killing our children.

The only thing left in the promise of the covenant is our land, and we will lose that as well.

Unless we begin to stand up and say enough is enough.

And you start standing for and protecting those who are the most vulnerable.

And right now, the most vulnerable is anyone who dares stand up against

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They are Marxist and they want our destruction.

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I think that we, there's something going on within the GOP, and the GOP doesn't see it happening, and

they'll blame it on Trump and everything else, but I don't think it has anything to do with anything other than

Americans just don't believe the GOP has a spine.

They don't believe they'll actually stand up.

I mean, look what's happened in the last few months.

Where's the GOP been?

Where have they been?

Where are they?

Nowhere.

Nowhere.

So

last night in Colorado, the owner of Shooter's Grill in Rifle, Colorado.

Could you own Shooter's Grill in Rifle Grill?

Could you even live in Rifle, Colorado, and be against the Second Amendment?

So anyway,

she confronted Betto Arourke when he was a Democratic presidential candidate.

She stopped in the Denver suburb of Aurora, and she came with a Glock on her hip, and she said, Hell no, you're not going to take our guns.

Well, that actually

was music to a lot of people's ears in her district.

And so she just beat an incumbent, the five-term Republican

candidate, and the five-term Republican

congressman, and somebody that has been endorsed by Donald Trump.

So good for you.

Good for you.

She is apparently a right-wing extremist.

Lauren Boebert.

We'll have more on that coming up in just a second.

Now, there is also something that happened, I think it was last week.

A congressional candidate, 24 years old, he won the GOP nomination for Congress in the 11th congressional district

over the GOP, Trump-backed candidate.

His name is Madison Cawthorne, and he is an eighth-generation resident in North Carolina's 11th congressional district,

and he is joining us now.

Madison, are you there?

I sure am, Glenn.

Thanks for having me on the show.

You bet.

I'm glad to have you.

Let me just start with this.

People are spinning this into this is

a referendum on Donald Trump.

I think this is a referendum on the GOP,

not Donald Trump.

Would you agree or disagree?

That's absolutely more correct.

That's absolutely correct.

I'd say over 99% of my voters will be enthusiastically voting for Donald Trump come in November.

But what you said earlier about a lot of Americans not believing that the GOP has a spine is absolutely correct.

You know, I was in a terrible car accident about seven years ago, so we would always joke on the campaign trails, like, if you want somebody with a spine, mine is literally reinforced with titanium.

And, you know, that got a big rise out of the crowd.

But I believe that the reason people responded so well to it is because right now they want a fighter.

It's not time for genteel politics.

This is not a policy war.

This is a cultural war.

We're fighting for the absolute identity of our country.

There is a need now in Washington of a sword and a shield.

A shield over the Constitution and a sword to protect it.

And hopefully we don't get to real swords or real guns.

But with the way things are going, this nation could, if the GOP doesn't stand up or if the GOP loses

what little power they have and we lose the White House, it's a very different country come January of next year.

Glenn, you're absolutely correct, and that's exactly what you need to do.

We have got to hold the line on the Constitution, but you're right.

We have got to put a sword in the hand of the American people.

I want to go to Washington, D.C.

to be a weapon because at this point, we have got to defeat this liberal ideology.

It's no longer a fringe movement of this kind of Marxist type revolution.

This is an extremely well-funded and well-organized movement that is being led by congresswoman women like AOC and Elon Omar, but also by a lot of ginormous backers who are taking advantage of the Citizens United case.

to be able to pour a ridiculous amount of money into all these elections to fund these fringe elements that infiltrate these Black Lives Matter movement.

And they're using

this tension we have in our country right now to be able to take advantage of the American people.

I don't want to lose our liberties, and I know you don't either.

So let's start fighting.

And I think that's what the American people are saying.

It's not saying that we don't want you, Mr.

President.

We're saying we want you to have people who will actually fight for you.

So, what do you think

connected with the voter in North Carolina that was voting for you?

Because you won

the Trump-endors candidate.

You were 30, if I'm not mistaken, 30 points ahead.

And you're 24 years old.

You're just, I mean, what was it that people connected?

Well, one, you know, I've got a great story just about overcoming and having the grit and will to kind of survive.

Two, I would say is, you know, being in a wheelchair has taught me kind of empathy, the ability to see people that, you know, have a different background than me and empathize with them and and really understand the people who feel like they've been left behind and disenfranchised.

And I'll tell you, that's exactly how a significant majority of Republican voters feel.

They feel like these people in the kingdom of D.C.

are up there just passing decrees.

They're a bunch of career politicians.

I mean, we saw this evidently in 2016 with that Congress because, you know, we had the House and the Senate and the presidency.

And I watched your show during that time.

I know you believe, like I did, that maybe, just maybe, we can see a constitutional republic come soaring back.

But

these career politicians that were in Washington, D.C., were not working for the best interest of the American people, and we did not see them take advantage of that.

And so I think the people of

America resonated most with the fact that, one, I want to be a messenger to fight for conservatism and take it to a new generation that's been deceived.

And two, the fact that I represent the people of my mountains.

This is where I was raised.

This is my family.

I will represent them and fight for them as hard as I can.

Tell me a little bit about how you lost the ability to walk.

So I had just been nominated to go to the Naval Academy by Congressman Mark Meadows.

My best friend and I were celebrating.

And, you know, we were two Christian young men, so we were having the best time that we were able to with those boundaries.

But so there was no drinking involved.

There was nothing like that.

But him and I were just on a road trip middle of the day, and I was taking a nap in the passenger seat.

And for whatever reason, my friend just thought it was a group group activity.

And so, unfortunately, he fell asleep at the steering wheel.

And we ran into a concrete wall about 70 miles an hour.

And, you know, I had about a 1% chance to live.

My body was severely burned, very damaged.

But you know what?

I truly believe it was because of the power of prayer and God and my great doctors and my great medical staff that got me through that.

But I was in a hospital for about a year and a month.

And so that taught me a lot of lessons.

We did.

How's your friend?

Thank God he is okay.

He was a hero during the accident.

And, you know, right now

he's doing great.

Obviously, he's got his mental demons he's got to deal with, but we're still very close.

And he was pivotal in saving my life.

What was the thing that you learned the most from that?

What was the thing that

was the most life-changing for you?

I would say one day, you know, I obviously got in a pretty dark place just because, you know, I was an athlete.

I

a great mind, but then you have a traumatic brain injury and a terrible, your body's taken from you.

I've got in a pretty dark place, but I will say that there was a moment in my life when I literally made a T-graph of pros and cons of if I was going to give up or if I was going to decide to just fight and not look back.

And I won by one point on the, on the continuing to move on with my life.

And so ever since then, I've lived like it's my last day on earth.

I have a very real sense of my mortality.

And so, because of that, I want to make my mark before I leave this earth.

Do you remember what that last check mark was?

Yes, it was the ability to make a difference.

I can see why you won by 30 points.

You are headed into

a nightmare.

You are headed into something where

you compromise once once and they got you.

You're headed into something that

you will, I believe, think death

would be a picnic compared to living that life in Washington, D.C.

Do you think you're prepared for that?

I do.

You know, I come from a very long line of family members who have served mainly in the Marine Corps since about the 1780s.

So

it's a great heritage I have of duty and sacrifice.

But, you know, that's exactly how I see going to Congress.

It's not a way to enrich myself or to empower myself.

You know, I see this as a duty to my fellow man.

And so, although I know the more effective I am, the more the media will come after me, and I'm ready for that.

But unfortunately, I know that

because we won against the Donald Trump endorsement, we were kind of the media darling of the far right and also the far left.

I was on MSNBC and the View, and they treated me all right.

It was unheard of for Republican.

That's crazy.

You know what?

I'm very, very aware that that will not last.

And so I'm getting ready to take on this onslaught because I don't want to do this.

I'd much rather, you know, be, I just got engaged, much rather be focused on getting married and spending time with my wife.

But you know what?

I take took account of where our country's at.

And, you know,

as is normal for anybody that gets engaged, you know, we were talking about when we want to have a family,

what kind of a world they're going to live in.

And, you know, so I was thinking about that one night sitting outside.

And I had this terrible vision of, you know, my child, whether it's a boy or a girl looking up to me while they're reading a history book and saying, hey, dad, what was capitalism like?

Why is it gone?

And I would just be so ashamed if I had to hold my head down and say, well, honey, it's because I didn't stand up and fight.

And I think that's what needs to happen to our country.

I just want to lead a patriot revolution to take our country back because, you know, Glenn, I'm sure it's the exact same reason why you started the blaze, why you have this show right here.

It's because you realize that this is a battle for the hearts and minds of the future generations.

And the Republicans are playing checkers while the Democrats are playing chess, and it's time for us to fight.

You give me hope

sincerely, Madison.

You give me hope.

I've done this for a long time when you were a little kid.

And

I have been waiting for the generation

to start to come into play.

And

I thank you for that.

And and thank you for uh all that you're about to do

well sir thank you very much i i know that well i'll have at least a little bit of backup with guys like you helping fight back against this mainstream media so i'm looking forward to fighting for us and i won't let you down i won't let any of us down

thanks um has the president reached out to you

yes that was a a very fun phone call actually it was on the the night of victory uh i had a man named james who was working as the the air force one switchboard He called and asked if he could connect me to the president.

So I very enthusiastically said yes.

And, you know, he used his normal adjectives.

He was saying, you know, it was tremendous.

It was a beautiful victory.

It seemed like he was almost amused that I was able to overcome his endorsement at this age.

I mean, he was really, I would say, proud of me.

And I'm really looking forward to working with him.

He's having me come up to the White House in a couple of weeks.

And so I'm really looking forward to be someone in Congress who actually wants to push forward the Trump agenda.

I feel like we have so many people who just pay lip service, but don't actually do it.

Well, push forward Trump agenda or whoever's agenda is most closely aligned with the Constitution because you must be a sword and a shield for the Constitution because it is in dire, dire trouble.

And you strike me as the kind of young man that will take that oath very seriously and don't let anyone.

I've had people tell me before of really powerful people, Glenn, we all love the Constitution, but these are different times.

No, they're not.

No, they're not.

The only time the Constitution matters is when you

it's easier to do something else.

So stand for the Constitution.

Madison,

best of luck to you, and thank you so much for being on the program.

Actually, one last thing I just want to throw out.

Everyone, please, when you read the Constitution, read it through the lens of original intent.

This is what our founders wanted for us, and there's nothing new under the sun.

So let's push back against that, brother.

His last words were not to push his website.

So I have to do it now.

His website is Madison C-A-W-Thorne, MadisonCawthorne.com.

MadisonCawthorne.com.

Thank you so much, Madison.

We'll hope to watch you in Congress soon.

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Black Lives Matter has received millions in donations.

But where is the money going?

Glenn opens the finance books, follows the dark money trail, and takes on the censors who say Black Lives Matter is off limits.

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A hundred years ago, the reason why the progressives could not get away with their progressive takeover under Woodrow Wilson is because we respected the founding fathers.

We knew the Constitution.

At that time, you had to know it.

To graduate eighth grade, you had to be able to recite both the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

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Nobody would pass.

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Well, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee would.

But other than that, no one in Congress would pass.

They've changed our history.

As what was it, Michelle Obama said?

Barack knows we're going to have to change our history.

We're going to have to change our language, our traditions if we want to move forward.

Well, that's what they have done.

And now they're tearing down statues and telling us that we are something we never have been.

The author of The War on History, I thought was a very good guest today, seeing that we are getting ready tonight at 9 o'clock to expose the 1619 project from the New York Times.

This thing is a nightmare and poison.

We talk to Jarrett Stepman, The War on Our History, The Conspiracy to Rewrite America's Past.

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Jared Stebman, columnist for the Daily Signal, multimedia publication Heritage Foundation.

He writes about American history, informs, how it informs our present politics.

He was the 2018 Lincoln Fellow for the Claremount Institute.

He's been on Fox News and CNN and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

He also writes for The Federalist, The American Mind, Real Clear Politics, Congressional Quarterly, among

other things.

He has a book out.

I think it came out, Jared, I want to ask, it came out, I think, last year, did it not?

The War on History, The Conspiracy to Write America's Past.

And I'm sorry I didn't know about it.

It came out in last October, but of course, very interestingly enough, how rapidly things have moved since the book was published and how many of the figures and ideas of America's past now are absolutely under the microscope.

I mean, across American history, I think there is a full-on war on so many fronts.

It's almost impossible to keep your head grounded in what exactly is happening, as we've seen statues of Lincoln and Teddy Roosevelt being toppled

along with the founders and many others.

It's quite incredible what's happened in such a short period of time.

So, Jared, where did this start?

You know, I think this is

a product of an American education system.

I think it's the product of a long-term failure, unfortunately, to teach American civics in this country.

I think something that has always struck me about Ronald Reagan's farewell address is he called for Americans to be informed patriots, that that was one of the most important takeaways from his presidency.

I think we do have, unfortunately, a lot of schools, public schools in this country that have failed on that end.

I think we have a higher education system that really teaches

anti-Americanism to a large extent.

And what we're seeing now is the fruits of an entire generation, my generation, millennials and younger, who haven't really been taught about what has made this country what it is, what's made it great, and instead have been taught about America's deep sins, deep flaws, but without that full story of how America has transcended many of its flaws, has become, in some cases, a greater nation because of the very ideas that are at the heart of the founding, the heart of 1776.

Your thoughts on the 1619 project.

It's astounding to me

how popular this has become and how in some schools it's now being taught as fact.

It is.

It's incredible, especially as it's had so many critiques from really historians across the board.

I mean, from those who are left-leaning, right-leaning, because of its historical inaccuracies.

And it really creates this kind of, of, well, lie about America.

I mean, even in its opening statement was that it was going to reframe American history, the idea that 1619, the year African slaves were brought to the Virginia colonies, that is America's real founding.

That is really the essence of this country, not the principles of 1776.

And in some sense, they really fit this moment.

I think when you bring that narrative, I think, and it really is a narrative, I don't think that's based on historical fact, to a generation that has really lost lost even the ideas that have been brought down to them through the generations of what 1776 meant, what the Civil War meant, what all these things meant.

I think you have a really toxic combination.

You have many Americans saying, well, you know what, this country is not for me.

It's an unjust regime.

It needs to be brought down.

All symbols of our past

need to come down to create a perfect future in which we're purged of the white supremacy of America's creation.

And I think that's a very toxic narrative.

I think it's one that's fundamentally wrong in its assumptions about this country.

And unfortunately,

this idea is coming to American classrooms, K to 12 schools around this country, I think, with vigor in coming months

when schools open back up.

And I think that's deeply unfortunate and dangerous to the future of the country.

So, this is not about our history by any stretch of the imagination.

This is a very well-played, well-financed,

Marxist ploy

to get America to fundamentally transform.

It's something that

Barack Obama talked about when he was running the first term, about fundamentally transforming America.

And Jared.

How long does this nation last, or any nation last,

without its pillars, without its foundation?

I mean, the foundation has been, they've taken a jackhammer to it, and we've allowed them to do it.

How long does a nation last without that?

Well, in the long term, it doesn't last without that.

And I think they're really trying to bring a French-style revolution to America's shores,

a time where

every symbol of America's past will be purged and obliterated.

And I do worry that at this moment that these attacks on statues, I mean, this is really not just about simply history for the sake of history.

This is about power.

This is about purifying society.

You know, we're already seeing violence against statues, lawlessness, really.

You know, how long until that's turned against fellow citizens, where the hate and vitriol that we see in so many of the mobs that have attacked statues is turned on fellow human beings.

And I think that is where this is ultimately headed.

I think that what this moment requires is courage and leadership.

I mean, it does, I think, from the perspective of many Americans seem like those who still believe in what this country stands for are behind the eight ball right now.

But I think this moment cries out for leadership and courage from those who still believe in that.

I believe in those words with Abraham Lincoln, that right makes might.

And I think in this case, I think as we see so many of our symbols of our past and our history, many of the good ones, like Abraham Lincoln, being toppled and destroyed, I think it requires citizens to stand up for that system, people who still believe in it.

and believe in our way of life to have courage in public spaces and to draw that line and say, we're not going to let you take our history away.

We're not going to let you demolish the good things that this country has built.

This country, though it was imperfect, was committed to a great cause, a cause of freedom that has something that has expanded over this country's history.

We need to preserve that.

I mean, we really need to draw this line, and I do think it can be.

I think the mass of American people will see that that is ultimately right, even with the miseducation in our schools.

I think people still today have an attachment to the Constitution, have an attachment to the rule of law and the Declaration.

And I don't think we want to throw that away yet.

I don't think that America will ultimately do so.

But again, as I said, it needs courage.

It needs people who are willing to go out there and stand against the mob and say no, we're not going to allow you to destroy everything that was good and great about this country.

So why don't people do that, Jared?

Because if this were happening from Islamic extremists, if this were happening from people on the outside of our country, we wouldn't put up with this for a single day.

Not a single day.

But we are not only

not standing up, we don't see any of our government standing up against it.

And

you have people that

are mouthing the words and putting little black squares on their social media so they can stay, I guess, safe.

What is it going to take for Americans to stand up?

It's going to take leadership from average Americans.

I think a lot of the elite institutions in this country have internalized these ideas.

I mean,

where are our schools and saying, no, we should talk more about Abraham Lincoln and why he's great instead of tearing down his statues?

I think we've seen the American elite that agrees with a lot of these radicals.

And I think that they exist in large part in media organizations and certainly in our universities and popular culture.

They are fanning the flames of this.

I think that strength is going to come from average Americans.

I think a lot of politicians and leaders are afraid right now because they're afraid of the cultural revolution that's going to swallow them.

And they think that, well, if I just keep quiet, they won't come for me.

But you must understand this moment.

They came for

Robespierre.

I mean, he was the guy who started it, and they came for him and beheaded him.

This is not the way revolutions work.

The American Revolution was an anomaly in history.

It always

spirals out of control.

The American Revolution didn't, but that again is an anomaly because we were based on

the self-evident

truths that all men are created equal.

And so we weren't jamming anything down people's throats.

Jared,

help people understand

about that and how revolutions happen.

You said, you know, I'm afraid we're going down the road of the French.

I think we're going down the road exactly like the French did.

What was the difference between the two?

And what are the similarities that you're seeing now that are disturbing?

Well, in the French Revolution, there was no limiting principle.

I think for the French, I think there was a mass society of really hate against their fellow human beings and neighbors.

I think that their ideas of justice were very different.

Instead of simply creating a new system built on top of that old monarchy, they wished to simply wash away all of the past and quite literally with blood.

And in the American Revolution, we wanted to create a new system based on a constitution, one of deliberation, one where you would have self-government.

The French Revolution was one based on recrimination, of purging your enemies and destroying your enemies.

In a French society that was very different from the American society.

Americans, even as colonists, were used to the concept of self-government.

They wanted to build a country on top of this constitution, which has often been a break on the tyrannical nature of mankind.

The French Revolution didn't have those breaks.

It was a limitless revolution in which ultimately the leaders of that revolution end up going to the guillotine as well, because after all, they weren't committed enough to the cause.

They weren't committed enough to the revolutionary principles.

And I think that's how it ultimately destroyed itself and ended up in a more vicious tyranny than the one that they started out with.

They ended up back in monarchy not too long after.

The American Revolution turned out very differently.

It turned out very differently for Americans of the generation who brought it to the forefront and for the generations who have gone by where because we have a constitutional system, it helps us to eliminate things that are bad about our society while still preserving

the edifice of freedom that we have, which is the Constitution itself.

You know, we have these guiding principles of the Declaration of Independence, and we have this beautiful document, which is the Constitution, which has allowed a free people to make decisions for themselves and to protect the rights that were secured by that revolution.

That's why the history of France and the United States have been very different.

It's why the United States became greater after its creation.

It's one of the unique moments in history where revolution turned out without simply re-plunging back into tyranny, which is unfortunately the history of most of the world.

And I do wish that that story was the one that was told and taught in most of our schools rather than this narrative that America was simply based on terrible things and we are just as terrible today and we need to wash this away and purge America of its sins.

America is

an imperfect country.

Human beings are imperfect.

And I think that's a lesson that we need to understand is how those imperfect people created such a great system that led to the elimination of many of those imperfections, including slavery, including not treating people with the equal rights that they are born with.

America in that sense has been great and has not only been great since its beginning, but has improved over time on many of those ends.

That's not a narrative that you'll hear from the statue topplers.

Jared Stepman, the author of The War on History.

Thank you so much for being on with us, Jared.

I appreciate it.

Thank you.

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I'm going to go into some dangerous territory here and

not for any other reason than it's about sports.

So it's very dangerous to me.

So, Stu, I need your hello there.

Okay.

First of all, Adam Silver, the NBA commissioner.

Yes.

Now, I don't really follow him or anything.

I just see this picture of him,

and he looks like he could be the villain

in every bad guy movie.

Does he not?

I mean, does he not just, maybe it's just this one picture of him, but he looks like you.

I mean, you put a black uniform on him, and he is coming in to interrogate.

Really?

Maybe that's just me.

That's yeah, maybe that's just me.

But

he said yesterday,

you know, as I've said before, you know, we come to China with a certain set of core American values and principles.

And I understand also that they have a different form of government and they have a different view of how things should have been done,

how things should be done.

And hopefully, we can find mutual respect for each other.

Adam, I believe, I could be wrong, but I believe you were at least born into a Jewish family.

I don't know if you're still a practicing Jew, but you're Jewish.

What would you have said if somebody

that was as influential as the NBA said that about Adolf Hitler?

You know, look,

we, you know, Hitler.

I don't necessarily agree with what he's doing, but...

I mean, we can't come over there with our principles and expect them to change.

We just have to see if we can find some mutual respect for each other.

I don't see how you can

a horrible monster.

I don't see how you can compare Adolf Hitler's regime to the Chinese communist regime, which killed many more people

than Hitler's regime did.

And look, they're in the middle.

They now only killed 90 million.

60, I think.

50 to 90.

Yeah.

But I mean, you look at it now, even there was a report this week that China is engaged in a mass sterilization project against Uyghurs and other groups.

Who did that?

Who did that?

Oh, yeah, Hitler did that.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

Yeah, and he's imprisoned millions.

I believe Hitler did things like that as well.

Look, I mean,

they're being sterilized.

The women are being sterilized in concentration camps, which is totally different than what Hitler did.

Right.

There are many similarities.

It's not exact, as of course, you would know.

There's still a lot of companies in the United States doing business.

The NBA is not alone in that world by any means.

But the idea that you can't come out and criticize that, which is basically the standard tried to uphold back a few months ago, and I think to an embarrassing extent, to the point that they embarrassed the entire organization, that anyone who was associated with that, I mean, LeBron James, you know, who is not a, you know, I can't stand for a million different reasons, but this being a really good one that people at least agree with me on, the fact that he came out and criticized

American citizens for speaking out to argue on behalf of Hong Kong is it's a disgrace what the NBA did there.

And now they're coming back into,

you know, to have a season that's supposed to begin at the end of the month of July, and they are saying they're going to let their players replace their last names with social justice messages.

I got one.

I got one.

Okay.

Free Hong Kong.

How about putting that on the back of another?

I hope somebody does it.

Free Hong Kong.

And it'll be interesting to see, like,

could you do Defund Planned Parenthood?

Because Defund the Police probably gets on one of those jerseys.

Does Defund Planned Parenthood get on one?

I doubt it.

I doubt it.

And Free Hong Kong does not get nowhere near an NBA jersey.

No.

Anything that would be considered like that's the thing, that's why it's so disingenuous.

There is, I think it's actually okay if they want to say, look, we encourage our players to say basically whatever the hell they want.

I mean, I think that's an okay standard.

You don't have to have a league where you implement controls over what people say in their own private life.

When it comes down the court, you can put some controls there.

But when you're, you're trying to make this, they're trying to make themselves out to essentially be, we are this free speech platform.

And if you are, you got got to live that.

We've said this about social media companies before.

If you're if you want to be in that world, then live it, just say yes, everything goes, and that's the way we're going to roll.

That's okay, that's an okay stance if you actually stick by it.

What they're doing is just saying, Here are the things that I want people to say, and therefore those things will be allowed because that helps us with sponsors.

So, and that's that's frustrating.

Do you believe, Stu, that

I think these things are going to come undone?

And

I'm trying to figure out why the federal government has been so silent on all of these things, other than cowardice.

The one thing about Donald Trump is he's not a coward.

And

somebody said the other day, man,

I really hate the people that are counseling him to be quiet at this time.

And

I'm not sure that that is

coming from counsel.

Maybe it is, but it may be right.

Because I think if he would have gone in at the very beginning of this, all they would have cried was racist, and everybody would have done it.

And they still might.

Except people now like the Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkin.

She's now upset because the Capitol Hill organized protesters came out and they protested around her house.

And they were chanting and demanding she leave the area or meet with protesters' demands.

And she came out and she said,

this has got to stop.

The protesters were there without regard for the safety of me or my family.

Oh, so now you care.

You have the people in Seattle that are really upset and suing the city now.

And people who said, look, when they first came here in the the area, I agreed with them.

But

this is turning into a death zone.

It's got to stop.

And I will say, complete coincidence.

And some people are going to try to tie these two things together.

And I think it's despicable if you do that.

Complete coincidence that right after they protest the mayor's house, today they wind up breaking Chaz and Chop up.

The police have now retaken Chaz and Chop.

That's a complete coincidence.

It's definitely not tied to the protest at the mayor's house.

She was fine with them being and doing all these terrible things to these business owners and residents of that area.

But now that it's residents of her area, some people might say, Hey, it's odd that you would make sure that this gets done right after your home is protested.

I just want to say on the record, no ties at all, completely disconnected, random coincidence of the calendar.

Nothing could be further than the truth.

Absolutely.

So I think that this is actually going to work in our favor if we don't screw it up, if we are just very, very careful.

But I think this is coming undone.

I think people are sick and tired of it.

And I think, you know, it was easy to say that if you support the political movement because of its name, instead of what it actually claims to stand for, you might be a useful idiot.

Well, that remains true.

But I think more and more people are now going, wait a minute, wait a minute, Black Lives Matter.

They mean what?

I mean, do you see AOC?

She is upset because they cut a billion dollars of the New York City Police Department.

A billion dollars.

She said that's not enough.

She said,

when we say defund the police, we mean defund the police.

That's insanity.

Insanity.

And I think people know that.

Yeah, I think, look,

we've been talking about, we haven't spent that much time on the election because

there's been so many other things going on, as opposed to a normal year where basically right now, that's all we'd be talking about.

But if you look at the strategy, the battle plan for Trump, as it were, I think probably the biggest key to it is for him to essentially portray, and there's plenty of evidence to do this, that Joe Biden is a Trojan horse for AOC and chazz.

You need to make people in the suburbs understand that if Biden gets in there, the people who are actually going to be running the show are going to be people like AOC, like the mayor of Seattle, like

all of the activists left.

They're going to be the ones with the power.

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Highlight all those times that Joe Biden refuses to stand up and say burning down a target is wrong.

I mean, that is not...

Like, Joe Biden's never going to be a guy.

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AOC, if she's not in Congress, is down there helping, right?

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That's a totally different scenario.

Joe Biden's not that guy, but it is true that he is going to allow a lot of influence from that movement because they're going to be the ones that get him in the White House.

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He's currently losing.

I mean, like, the polls are not good for Donald Trump right now, but it doesn't really matter yet.

But we're getting closer and closer to the time that it will matter.

And if he doesn't, you know, if we're still having this conversation at the end of the summer, Glenn, when we're like, oh, well, it's still early.

He's in real trouble.

He needs to be able to come up with a focused plan.

And you saw him, I think,

handed it the other night.

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He said, you know, hey, I've got to, well, experience is important.

Well, okay, yeah, I mean, experience is important.

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I believe Trump's just not there yet because of everything else going on.

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When that happens, the American people are going to be forced to deal with, think of the, you know, deal with a real concept of having Joe Biden running their country, a guy who can't get through three to four sentences in a row without falling asleep.

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Mike Schellenberger has got to be almost suicidal being introduced and praised by me.

It's not going to help his career at all, but I find him an incredible hero of today's world.

He is coming out knowing that this is probably going to be the end of his career.

Hopefully not.

But he is coming out and saying, look, I'm an environmentalist.

There are some things going on.

But this

craziness about we're all going to die is not true.

Author of the book, Apocalypse Never, Mike Schellenberger.

Welcome to the program.

How are you, Mike?

Good.

Thanks for having me on, Glenn.

You're welcome.

I'm sorry if it's uncomfortable for you to be on the program, but.

Oh, no, not at all.

I talk to everyone.

I mean, look, this is what America's for, right?

We should be able to talk to people we disagree with.

Where the hell did you come from?

Did you just wake up?

Were you cryogenically frozen?

That's not America anymore, apparently.

So, Michael,

I have great respect for you because you are saying, look, I'm still an environmentalist.

I still care about all these things, but we've got to rein this in.

It's been crazy, crazy what people have been saying that we're going to die in 12 years.

And

we have no time to reverse all of this.

And then their solutions are insane.

Why did you decide to go from hero to what could be zero and write this book?

Well, I've been an environmentalist for over 30 years.

I've been a climate activist for over 20 years.

And I'm also a father of a 14-year-old girl, and she's fine because I talked to her about the science, but her friends are very scared.

A lot of them are afraid they won't live long enough to have children.

And

I've talked to them about this, and they've said they needed something that really explained the science in a clear way to them.

And so I really, I dedicated the book to my children.

I wrote this book because I knew that if you just had to pick, if I knew that if adolescent girls had to pick between the image, they would pick Greta Tunberg over me,

a boring old dad.

So I needed to put all of the evidence in one place.

My views are very clear.

I think climate change is real.

I think humans are contributing to it.

I also know that it's not the end of the world.

There's no science that suggests that it's the end of the world nor that it's apocalyptic or catastrophic.

And there's just a lot of stuff people don't know.

Most people don't know that

deaths from natural disasters have declined 90% over the last 100 years.

They've declined 80% over the last 40 years.

Meanwhile, carbon emissions peaked and declined in most rich countries several decades ago.

They peaked and declined in Britain, France, and Germany in the mid-70s.

They peaked in the United States almost 15 years ago, thanks to the fracking revolution, thanks to natural gas.

You know, these are basic.

But now that's bad.

Michael, now that's bad.

Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

I mean, in my book, I talk about, you know, the first, there's really three parts to the book.

The first part is a debunking of common environmental myths around climate change, Amazon deforestation, plastic waste, meat,

species extinction.

The second part of the book is how humans actually save nature.

How did we save the whales?

We saved the whales by using petroleum and palm oil instead of using whale oil.

So it wasn't Greenpeace that saved the whales.

It was American ingenuity, European ingenuity, and capitalism.

So I go through how we say, and the last part of the book is why if environmental problems are important but manageable, how did we come to see them as the end of the world?

And that's where I look at the three big factors I view as money, power, and religion, which is basically that as people stop believing in God, as they move, as they stop, as they imagine themselves to be secular or atheists, we have a need as humans for faith.

We have a need for belief.

And so people construct alternative religions that are based on pseudoscience

and really can be quite crazy.

And so I waited last year for scientists or my fellow activists or other journalists to speak out against the alarmism.

Nobody did, and I knew nobody would because of the climate of cowardice that exists around this.

And I felt I needed to speak out.

And, you know, I'm old enough now to just kind of feel like let the chips fall where they may.

You know, there's just some things that are more important than

people being mean to you on Twitter.

And one of those things is the psychological health of

my children and of my children's friends.

So, you know what happened to the founder of Greenpeace?

I mean, he was one of the original founders.

They wanted to ban an element on the table of elements.

And they said, you can't do that.

He said,

you can't ban an element.

And he was no longer welcome.

And he doesn't have a name.

With the cowardice that is going on right now,

even though you are very well reasoned,

I mean, honestly,

you would be the kind of guy where I would feel comfortable saying, I'm an environmentalist, because I am.

I own a lot of property,

and I care about the environment.

I care about the earth.

I want clean water.

I want clean air.

But

the people that are running these things...

I grew up with my grandfather, who was a farmer in the Pacific Northwest.

And he said, these people have zero experience.

They are stopping the controlled burns.

They're going to be responsible for burning down the entire West.

When they started messing with

the balance of the wolves in

Yellowstone, he said the same thing.

They don't know, they're so arrogant and they have no practical experience.

You talk about the kind of common sense things that the person who's actually living it

believes and can do.

Where are the rest of them?

Well, I mean, I think the interesting thing, while I was doing research for Apocalypse Never, I discovered that the vast majority of scientists are good scientists.

So I, in part of this, I wrote this book to defend the science.

And the majority of scientists, the silent majority,

who stick to the facts, there's a small, tiny, it's not even a mind, it's a small handful of apocalyptic Malthusian scientists scientists who think there's too many people in the world who give their information to people like Greta Tunberg I interviewed them so I interviewed the four main apocalyptic scientists and it was very interesting first of all all four of them immediately their intuitive response was to blame journalists for having misquoted them

which

you can make of that what you will.

I mean, what I did in this book and the research for it is I basically went to the sources and I said, what are you pointing to that you think is catastrophic or apocalyptic?

And none of them could answer that question.

They all came up short.

I called them out on it.

I first called them out on it last year in Forbes because I wanted to give them a chance to respond and

try to correct me or cancel me or something.

None of them did because when you stand up to bullies, They back down, actually.

All bullies are actually cowards.

And I stood up to them last year.

None of them defended themselves because I knew I had caught them out on this.

So now it's in the book and there's in Apocalypse Never I go through exactly what you said.

All of the increase in frequency and intensity of fires in the United States, Australia are due to more

buildup of wood fuel in forests because we environmentalists don't like smoke and fires.

It's the buildup of wood fuel in forests and it's more houses near forests.

Those two things.

Now,

is the fire season growing in length?

Yes, it is.

Is hotter weather contributing to fires?

Probably is.

Here's the thing.

It's not that climate change isn't happening or that it's not having any effect.

It's that it's being outweighed still by these other

factors.

I mean, look at flooding, for example.

If you go to the the difference between whether you are flooded or not depends on whether you have a flood control system.

It doesn't matter whether you have one or two inches more rainfall.

And yet if you read the New York Times, you would think that the floods that are occurring are because of climate change.

Well, no, they're because of inadequate flood control, which is something that we can control.

I mean, that's good news.

So there's a lot of good news here.

Even the amount of land that we use for food production has been going down, which is wonderful news because that's the main impact that humans have on the natural environment.

So really everything that people have been told about, almost everything that people have been told about the environment, is wrong on the facts.

I go through it all in Apocalypse Never, and then I want to go a step further and say what really matters and how is it that everybody became so crazy.

So, I'd like to go there with you, Michael.

Let me take a one-minute break and then we'll come back.

Michael Schellenberger,

Time Magazine's

environmental hero of the environment for 2008.

He is still an environmentalist.

He's just trying to set the record straight.

He admits that he has been part of this problem because he didn't speak out until now, but he says enough is enough.

And the name of the book is Apocalypse Never.

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This guy is rolling the dice that he's not going to be destroyed.

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good chance he will be.

Apocalypse Never, Why Environmental Alarmism Hurts Us All.

From the climate change side, Michael Schellenberger.

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So,

Mike Schellenberger,

he is the author of Apocalypse Never.

So,

what have you found when you started really looking in and deciding to expose this?

How did we get here, Michael?

Well, that's a great question.

I mean, there was a conservation movement, as you mentioned.

I think you consider yourself a conservationist.

I consider myself a conservationist.

I mean, really, up until World War II,

we all basically agreed that lifting everybody out of poverty was a good thing, and protecting the natural environment was a good thing.

After World War II, a bunch of really anti-human ideas took hold.

They came from a British economist named Thomas Malthus.

I don't mean to use jargon, but this idea of Malthusianism is that there's just too many people in the world.

After World War II,

that

took over the conservation movement.

By 1970, this really dark view that there's too many people in the world, they even called it lifeboat ethics.

Nothing ethical about it, but the idea was we're in the lifeboat, which is lifeboat of prosperity.

Other people are trying to get in, and we should keep them out.

That was the idea.

And they did a bunch of things.

I mean,

the first thing that they did that was very important is that because by the 1950s, with the invention of nuclear energy, we knew that there would never, ever again be scarcity, resource scarcity on Earth.

We'd have infinite energy, infinite water, infinite fertilizer, infinite food.

So this is very threatening to anybody who's seeking to take control over the economy by frightening people of environmental resource scarcity.

So what they had to do was to attack and demonize nuclear.

And it was very easy to do because people were already scared of nuclear weapons.

Of course, nuclear power plants are not nuclear weapons, but they basically got the public confused about it.

So much of the quote-unquote environmental movement has spent the last half century attacking our cleanest, best source of energy for the environment.

And proposing some of the things that we're doing...

I can't tell you, Michael.

Michael, I have to tell you, just saying that from a guy who is on climate change, just saying that, I can guarantee you there are people that are listening all over America going, thank God,

thank God somebody is finally saying that.

You can't be an environmentalist if you're against safe nuclear energy.

You just can't be.

It's the safest, cleanest energy available.

Well, this is the question that really

what drove me to write one of the questions that drove me to write Apocalypse Never, which was why are the people who are the most alarmist about climate change opposed to the only things that can reduce carbon emissions, which is basically transitioning from coal to natural gas and then to nuclear?

That's it.

I mean it's not people try to make it complicated because they don't want to do those things.

Natural gas and nuclear are the only fuels that can really substitute for coal.

and keep and keep the economy strong and prosperous.

So why is that?

And what I got to was because they're not really they don't really care about climate change.

This isn't about climate change.

This is about getting control over the economy, over the society, about moving the whole society to a low energy.

They want to return to an agrarian economy.

That's why they have these really bad romantic visions that you read of everybody's going to be a small farmer again.

I'll tell you something.

I've spent my I spent thirty years interviewing small farmers in poor countries.

Very few children of small farmers want to remain small farmers.

They want to move to the city.

They want to, you know, obviously some of us really like living in the country and we like being farmers, but only 2% of us work on farms.

All of our prosperity comes from actually not being an agrarian economy anymore and being an industrial economy.

So what is environmentalism in its most mainstream and yet very radical manifestation do?

It's trying to deprive industrialization to poor countries.

That's uncommon.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

More with Michael Schellenberger.

Does this guy make sense?

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Schellenberger is our guest.

He was,

Time Magazine named him the hero of the environment in 2008.

He's a leading energy security environmental expert.

He is, I mean, he is a guy that, you know, helped Obama, you know, invest in green energy, et cetera, et cetera.

And he has not had a change of heart on the environment, but he has gained some courage after talking to his daughter, who was freaking out about we're all going to die in 12 years.

And he realized this has gotten way out of control.

And he is speaking out and written, he's written this new book,

Apocalypse Never.

I urge you, urge you to buy it and read it.

One of the quotes in here is: Today, rich nations should do everything they can to help poor nations industrialize.

Instead, as we see, many of them are doing something closer to the opposite, seeking to make poverty sustainable rather than to make poverty history.

I have to tell you, Michael,

this has been one of the biggest things that has stuck out to me as absolutely immoral.

We have a chance of

bringing the world out of abject poverty like Americans don't understand.

And instead, we're telling them, no, no, no, you got to live this way.

You can't have the things that we have because it's bad and we're trying to get rid of them.

Not only are they killing us

with

this dream of we all have a farm, they're actually keeping people in poverty.

It's horrific.

Yeah, it's unconscionable.

I mean,

I was trained as a cultural anthropologist.

I've been traveling to poor countries and interviewing small farmers.

for over 30 years.

And yeah, obviously, there's a lot of causes of why countries are poor, but

there's no reason we should be helping them to stay poor.

Just a few years ago, there was a movement to make poverty history.

Whatever happened to that, it's like it got taken over by the climate alarmist movement, which has been focused on depriving poor countries

not just the fossil fuels they need to develop, but also the large hydroelectric dams.

I mean, I talk about my trip to the Congo, one of the poorest countries in the world.

There's an active effort to deny the Congo the resources they need to build large hydroelectric dams, which are absolutely essential to pulling people out of poverty.

And the craziest part about it, in my research, I discovered that one of the main groups that tries to prevent poor countries from getting financing from the World Bank and other international development banks to build dams is based in my hometown of Berkeley, California.

Well, guess where Berkeley gets its electricity from?

So, you know, from hydroelectric dams.

It's one of the first things that poor countries do when they start to develop.

It's what the Tennessee Valley Authority was in the 1930s.

So this is really

it's just unconscionable.

It needed to be called out.

There's major groups, including the Sierra Club, that support efforts to deprive poor countries

energy, and honestly, they've taken over the World Bank.

So the World Bank used to fund the basics of development, roads, electricity grids, sewage systems, flood control dams.

Now they fund democracy workshops and and empowerment workshops and solar panels and batteries

that are very expensive and unreliable.

That they want to have people to give people on the farm.

Well, most people gain access to electricity and modern life by moving to the cities.

It's the urbanization.

Half of us now live in cities.

You don't have to move to the city.

Nobody's going to make you move to the city.

No, if you like to be a farm.

I own a farm and a ranch, and I have to tell you, I get out of the tractor at any time I want.

I own the land.

I don't want to farm full-time.

It is hard work.

There's a reason why we have a shortage of farmers in America.

It's unbelievably difficult to do, and it's a really hard life.

So let me ask you, Michael,

is it

Malthusianism?

Is it anti-capitalism, Marxism?

What is it that's driving this?

Well, this is the funniest thing, and it was driving me crazy because so Marx attacked Malthus in the mid-1800s as a stain on the human race.

He hated Malthus.

So I was trying to understand how is it that the left,

the tradition of Marx and socialism, how is it that the left came to embrace Malthus?

And what I discovered is that basically there was an accommodation in the 60s and 70s between the socialists and the Malthusians.

And the agreement they came up to, and I'm not saying it was like a formal agreement, it was what resulted from the argument,

was that

they were going to work together to basically lower standards of living in the United States by moving towards renewables and a low energy society.

That's the strategy and goal of all the big environmental groups.

And then

they were going to do charitable work in poor countries so that we would all sort of meet in the middle.

Now, of course, that's not what actually happens because environmentalists are some of the richest people in the world.

They're not giving up their jet travel.

I document how, even when they try, Greta Tunberg made a huge deal of proposing, trying to sail from Europe to the United States.

Well, it turned out her carbon footprint was larger because in order to have the sailing crew had to fly back.

So you had a four-person sailing crew that had to fly back from the United States to Britain.

And so it's all a fantasy.

And so when I say that environmentalists, and the research is very clear on this, environmentalists are much more likely to be atheistic and secular and not believe in traditional gods.

But we need to believe in something.

All of us need to believe in something that some part of us will continue on.

And whether you're Christian or Jewish or whatever, you need something.

So when people...

People give that up, they end up creating new religions.

And so they think, for example, my neighbors in Berkeley, they imagine that gardening is somehow getting them back integrated into nature.

You see, you see all the Michael Pollen books, all these romantic.

That's not farming.

Gardening is not farming.

Like, you would, we would starve to death if we depended on my garden.

Like, we would die.

Like, there's actually a, so, so, you know, it tends to be people in cities.

It tends to be wealthier people.

It tends to be people that are secular who embrace this new secular religion.

And I argue in the book that environmentalism, apocalyptic environmentalism in particular, has become the dominant religion of supposedly secular people in the West.

So it's, you know, it's people at the United Nations.

It's people,

you know, that are that are that are in very powerful positions who are trying to impose, quote-unquote, nature's order on societies.

And of course, the problem is nobody can figure out what nature is and what it's not.

It's not a particularly good basis for organizing your economy because there's just a lot of stuff in nature that we don't like, like disease

and poverty and misery.

So I argue in the book, and I hoped that I thought this would be something that conservatives would like, although there's been a mixed reaction.

But I think the Judeo-Christian tradition is a humanistic tradition.

There's an idea that we have dominion over the earth, that God gave us the earth to use the resources to prosper.

That idea is effectively rejected by environmentalists who view humans as a cancer on the earth, as a virus on the earth.

And so what I argue is we need to get back to that humanistic tradition.

And in fact, the evidence is overwhelming that as we take care of our children, as we prosper, as we take care of our societies, that over time our impact on the environment goes down because we move from

energy dilute fuels,

from wood and dung to coal, to natural gas, to eventually nuclear, and our ecological footprint gets smaller.

I mean, this is the big lie.

You know, that going from the environmental progress is going from renewables to fossil fuels to nuclear.

The environmental movement has it exactly wrong.

They want to take people from nuclear to fossil fuels to renewables.

That would increase humankind's environmental impact because it takes 400 times more land to generate the same amount of electricity from a solar or wind farm as it does from a natural gas or a nuclear plant.

There's not enough land in the United States to be able to do it.

I mean, the numbers are staggering to see for us to try to replace it, at least today.

Maybe in 50 years, maybe, not today.

I've only got a couple of minutes, and I want to hit two more things with you.

First of all, Greta Thurnberg,

I actually feel bad for her because I think she has some of the worst parents in the world.

They have filled her head with all of this frightening frightening stuff.

And we didn't steal her childhood.

I think her parents and

the terrifying

science that has gone along with this that is wrong, I think they stole her childhood.

Your thoughts?

She's definitely, for sure.

I mean, Greta's in the grip of a bad religion.

She's a victim of this toxic, anti-human, depressing,

neurotic, phobic philosophy.

And yeah, and she's spreading it.

And it's quite it's actually

very psychologically harmful and dangerous and bad for poor countries.

So yeah, it's I don't see her you know, I'm with you.

I kind of go, she's clearly a victim.

She clearly hasn't done any research at all.

She's been talking to the most

pseudoscientific Malthusian scientists in the world who I debunk at length in Apocalypse Never.

So yes.

Now,

the reaction to your book, science,

does it, do the scientists know that they've set themselves back like 500 years by silencing debate and dissent and

the science is settled, and maybe we should put

deniers into jail and everything else.

Do they know how much the damage that has been done

to their trade and to their craft and to

science itself?

Yeah, some do.

Now, I was invited by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to become an expert reviewer late last year.

I know that came because I had been criticizing the alarmism.

I was also invited to testify in front of Congress.

I've been invited to testify in front of governments around the world.

And I know for a fact that there are many scientists who are very good people and good scientists who totally disagree with the alarmism, but they're afraid of their colleagues.

I mean you have to remember that the alarmist scientists who are truly in the grip of this toxic religion are bullies.

Their tactics are bullying tactics and I actually described them and discovered them but I just have known about them for a long time.

I myself have been subject to them.

And so they they try to sm they try to they make all sorts of they lie about you they claim that you're taking money from somebody they claim that that you're you know that you hate nature or something they basically just attack you personally and but what I find is that when you confront them and you stand up to them on the evidence and you get you get a very clear and I and that's why there's a hundred pages of my 400 page book are all footnotes they're all scientific references So I think the reason they're attacking my book, and you may have noticed,

my Forbes column was taken down.

But

the defensiveness is, I think, justified.

They know that my book is dangerous to the radical left, which took over the conservation movement in the 60s.

They know that my book is devastating for the alarmist and apocalyptic case.

That's why they're freaking out about it.

So, you know, I'm...

I'm confident that

in the long term, truth will win out.

I mean, obviously, there's this bigger problem of what do you do with people that they need to believe in something and they end up making up all sorts of bad religions.

I don't know how to solve that problem, but certainly I think on the evidence, my hope is that apocalypse never will

reset the conversation.

You remind me of Nietzsche and his warning of God is dead.

That wasn't a celebration.

That was a warning.

Look out.

Be careful because you're going to create a God.

And we saw what happened in his own home country.

And it eventually did burn itself out.

Unfortunately, it took so many people with it.

I hope we don't have to go through that and this religion.

Michael,

anything that you could possibly need, we will stand with you.

I know how brave you are.

I know

what you're up against, and I commend you for it.

Even if we don't agree on everything, it doesn't matter.

Standing up and having courage is the only currency that matters, really in the world today.

We are in a frightening time and you are a leader in courage.

Thank you so much.

And I urge you to go out on.

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