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So big crowds have gathered for the Pride March.

LGBTQ marches happened in Chicago and New York City, and thousands marched in the parade to reclaim pride.

Hmm.

Okay.

Now I don't have a problem if you want to, you know, march for pride or march for whatever.

Just stop telling us we're so irresponsible for not wearing a mask.

All right?

That's all I want.

You want to gather for pride parades because it's, you know, anti-homosexuality, which I, let me tell you, America is so anti-homosexual right now.

It's crazy, huh?

Boy, we're lynching, we're lynching them homosexuals in the streets and throwing them off building.

No, wait.

I'm sorry, that's a ran.

That's not America.

I get those two confused all the time.

So if you think that's more important,

Fine.

If you think it's more important to, you know, go out in mass and loot and steal along with the protesters that are actually trying to say something, God bless you.

That's just, just bless your heart.

But don't look at me for not wearing a mask.

I am so sick and tired of the double standard on this.

And, you know, I don't care anymore.

I don't think

these people are doing everything they can to push every button in us.

Every button in us.

They need you to be violent.

They need you to be violent.

They can't wait for you to strike back.

It's what they've been waiting for.

They wanted you to do that.

They've been goading you for 15 years.

For 15 years, we've begged the boy, I feel like the feel like the founders did with King George.

For 15 years, we've begged the media, stop, stop, stop.

It's as if,

you know how your kids are always like, he's poking me.

He's poking me.

Stop.

Stop poking.

And you, just don't pay attention to your sister.

Well,

that's what I've been telling you and others have been telling you for 15 years.

Just don't pay attention to your sister.

She's just trying to annoy you.

But she's poking me.

Stop poking.

Well, they continue to poke us.

They continue to poke us.

And at some point,

a parent does say to, you know, the one of the kids, you kind of had that coming.

Now, Speaker Pelosi said,

a national mandate is required for everyone to wear a face mask, and it is long

overdue.

Is it?

Is it

because

you told us wearing a face mask didn't make a difference at all?

Or were you lying to us then?

Yeah,

yeah, you were lying to us.

You can't say, oh, well, a scientist changed their mind.

No, they didn't.

No, they didn't.

If face masks weren't needed,

then why were they needed at the hospital?

Don't wear a face mask because it doesn't make any difference.

And we need to save all the face masks for the doctors and the first responders.

Oh, oh, okay.

So it doesn't work.

Hmm.

But they need them.

You were lying to us in the first place.

And anyone who was paying attention knew it at the time.

Now are you lying to us?

Do we need them?

Is it okay to go out or not okay?

See, you can't have it both ways.

You can't say, oh, well, this one's really important to have people go out and loot in the streets.

You can't say that.

And my gosh, look at these people in Texas.

They're animals.

Really?

First of all, New York, people in Texas are not used to being told exactly what to do.

We don't like it all that much.

We're still what you call,

oh, American.

My understanding is that the centers of disease controls recommended the use of masks, but not required it because they don't want to offend the president.

Really?

Huh.

That's weird because that seems like the only group of people in the government that don't want to offend the president.

Their president should be an example.

You know, real men wear masks.

Well, I think robbers wear masks.

Doctors wear masks.

That has nothing to do with men.

And what do you mean by real men, Nancy Pelosi?

It's not about protecting yourself.

It's about protecting others.

Oh,

is it?

Is it?

Or is it about control?

You see, a government telling you you have to wear one, while,

you know, it might be accurate that we should all wear one um

that's kind of fascistic I know

I know you're anti-fascistic

but then again it doesn't seem like you really are Joe Biden said I would insist that

every

wait a minute what is

my lovely daughter wife Joan Jill

anyway let me just quote what he was supposed to say.

I would insist that everyone in public be wearing that mask if I were president.

Anyone to reopen would have to make sure that they walked into a business that had masks.

Oh, well, that is great.

So now the federal government and the president could just dictate exactly what we have to wear.

Well, that's fantastic.

Have you done anything about Black Lives Matter?

I'm just wondering, are you guys worried about all of the dark money that's going in there?

And it's a global project.

It's not even from the United States of America.

You know, Hank Newsome, you know who he is?

Hank Newsome was the head guy that got onto Fox and he was like, yeah,

I might be saying a threat.

I might not be saying a threat.

Well,

you're the one who knows.

Why don't you tell us which one it is?

Well,

he was told, you can't be a part of this anymore.

Really?

Really?

Is that true?

We're going to burn down the system.

Well, we totally and completely agree with you, but we need to make it seem like you're not a part of this anymore.

He told the New York Post, we don't want white people here as he walked near Yankee Stadium.

We don't want white people here.

We don't want them coming in and raising our rents.

You can't be a supporter of black people if you come to gentrify their neighborhoods.

Say the F out of our communities.

Oh.

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I was standing in front of a Wells Fargo when it was burning in Minneapolis, he said, and it was very liberating.

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I'm still quoting.

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You're right.

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Yeah, no, I bet.

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Uh-huh.

Do we have a problem?

Is anybody in Washington working on that one?

Is anyone?

The downtown retailers in

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We had to defend for ourselves.

It was,

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Really?

The cops told me not to go down there.

But I did.

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We have the mayor of a small town, Colleyville, in Texas, who says, well, sorry,

we're not going to make everybody wear masks.

It's not our job.

Controversial, even in Texas.

We'll talk to that mayor coming up in just a second.

Want to talk to Jason Battrill, who is

with us now.

And Jason

has been following a story for us out of really Russia and the Middle East about how the Russians were targeting and bribing

the

foes in

Syria and Iraq to try to kill

our troops and giving a bounty on their head.

Well, this is a story that happens in every war, really.

I mean, we knew this was happening early on with Iran when Iran was putting a bounty on American soldiers' heads.

My question to Jason is

this is business as usual.

The president can't recognize that he knew about this.

Otherwise, it's war with Russia.

That's an act of war.

Does the New York Times really think think that a war with Russia is better than having Donald Trump not recognize this publicly?

Yeah, you got to wonder what exactly they're expecting out of this.

You really do.

And it's interesting, and just a quick correction, it's, Glenn, this is Afghanistan and not in Syria.

But

that's important because what you mentioned is exactly true.

And I don't remember there being any news on this.

It might have leaked out.

I'm not sure.

But I don't remember President Bush ever admitting this.

But there was, this was back in my day when I was there.

We were told, all of us, they were in Afghanistan, again, right after 9-11, that we had $100,000 bounty on our heads.

And this was from the IRGC, from Iran.

There was $100,000.

If they caught one of us out there, $100,000 reward.

I think it was a $25,000 bounty just for our uniforms for crying out loud.

But again, these things, like you said, Glenn, they happen all the time.

And again, as you said, this is a major escalation if it's acknowledged.

These things are never acknowledged.

Right.

I have multiple problems with this.

Probably don't have the time to go through all of them.

For one, the premise that this apparent leak came from the intelligence officials to the New York Times said that the reason that the Russians were doing this was because they wanted us to sign the peace deal with the Taliban and pull out.

Now, does that make any sense to you?

Like, here, we're going to force the Americans into pulling out and to do that.

We just want you to go ahead and kill them.

No,

that's the reason we're there.

Right.

Like, yeah, that's what we're going to piss us off.

That's going to piss us off.

So, that makes no sense, for one.

It makes me think there's, so there's a couple options.

They both lead to the deep state, in my opinion, because the entiming on this is incredible, right?

Now, this comes out now.

Like, why is this coming out now?

Why not when the peace deal was such a huge deal?

Why wouldn't it come out then?

No, it comes out now when we're closer to the election.

For one, I think that's probably the biggest thing.

This is probably something that they were following.

It might have been.

They probably got word that maybe something was happening, and this is in an intelligence report and something they're pursuing.

If that's the case, they wouldn't have briefed the president on it because you're not supposed to brief the president on speculative stuff.

So that could go to how President Trump was denying even knowing about this.

There's an explanation there.

The second thing is the same thing that I was going through in Afghanistan is, yes, this happens.

These are things that happen in the dark.

You're not supposed supposed to know about them.

These things get handled, but not at a public level.

Because when this goes public, then this goes very public.

Sure.

There's an invasion that usually happens or a strike or a major escalation is what usually

follows this type of news.

So

let me ask you this question, Jason.

Isn't this

evidence that the deep state is still alive and well?

I mean, who released this information to the New York York Times?

Right, exactly.

I think the deep state is

ultimately responsible for this, regardless, either for the leak.

But the thing being now is,

look how dangerous this is.

I don't know what you expect to come of this.

Not only from the,

I don't blame the New York Times for printing this because they're the New York Times,

but consider how dangerous this is and how embedded

the people that literally want to see this thing all come crashing down.

I mean, it's at all levels, at the highest, insane.

Thank you very much, Jason Buttrell.

He is our head researcher and the guy who is our former military intelligence expert.

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The mayor from Collyville, Texas, no masks.

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Which bar are you going out to tonight, Marge?

Well, I'm not going because the governor said I can't go to the bar.

Well,

it's probably for the best, Marge.

Why don't we just sip our cocktails here?

So, Richard Newton, doctor, Mayor Richard Newton, Mayor of Collyville, Texas, he is not going to police the mask mandate among the

COVID-19

panic.

And

the governor has said everybody needs to wear masks.

He's closing down the bars.

Things are getting getting heating up with the youth in Texas.

And he says he's not going to do it.

That's not making him popular with some people, and other people love it.

Richard Newton, welcome to the program.

Thank you, Glenn.

I really appreciate you having me on this morning.

Sure.

Now, there's people, I mean, because I know I talk to people in New York City and Los Angeles, and they're like, you people are crazy.

You just want everybody to die.

And it's different in some of the cities than it is

around most of America.

But Texas is starting to see some real numbers climb.

Why have you decided not to wear masks or enforce masks?

Yeah, so if you allow me, let me first tell your audience what it is I'm not doing because there's many misconceptions out there.

One, I am not anti-masks.

On the contrary, I in Collyville have encouraged individuals to take all precautions they can to protect themselves and their families.

The individual decision is very important.

I wear masks.

My wife has made 40 masks for our families.

These are personal individual decisions.

Number two, I have not countermanded the Tarrant County order.

The Tarrant order is actually for businesses to establish a policy to wear masks and their customers.

That's the issue.

And I'm not aware of any business in Collyville that hasn't put the policy in place.

And three, if I get a chance before we're through, there have been no deaths in Collyville.

That's very important, and I would like to explain to you why if I get to that point.

Well, go ahead, explain that.

Oh, well, go ahead and explain that.

Okay, I learned there's been no deaths in Collyville.

Our numbers have consistently been very low, but I learned yesterday there's a fake profile, Facebook profile, by the name of Sherry Michaels, and is posed as a very conservative, religious individual and wrote this very long, gut-wrenching post about her eight-year-old child dying in Collieville.

Yesterday afternoon, for whatever reason, I guess there was pressure brought on her, but she has recanted and said that's all fake, it's not true.

So my message to people is please be very careful in what you read in the social media and react to because there's much in it that's just flat wrong and purposely erroneous.

So that was my moment.

Why did she do that?

Is she a very religious, conservative person with a kid, or is she none of those things?

No, in fact, I don't even know if it's a woman who ever created this fake profile, but in the recant, the recant was actually more vicious than the story.

And the true colors came out.

She called me and all my elected officials and Collyville fascist and all the terrible things that they could dream up.

So it was clearly a political stunt, but that's going on.

People just need to know that that really is happening.

And

she had hundreds of thousands of comments and stuff.

It's really a shame, very devious and vicious.

Okay, so, Richard,

you would probably

be the most disappointing fascist to fascists, seeing that that

you are not willing to say you must do these things.

And I want to make it clear again, but you wear a mask yourself and you think it's a good idea to wear masks.

You're only doing this as a personal liberty thing.

Yes, and the reason I'm doing this, this is the most interesting part of all of this.

The DA's office had a conference call with all the police departments, including us, and indicated indicated that they have no way to prosecute this.

This is unenforceable.

And so I cannot be dishonest to my citizens.

I need to tell them the truth.

I do not believe any city in Tarrant County can enforce this, and that's why we're not doing it.

It would put our police in a very awkward situation, a very embarrassing situation.

It could lead to

such a thing such as the Dallas salon debacle, where they were in this enforcement paradox, and it was embarrassing to everybody.

So it just doesn't make sense for the government to try to tell a business to enforce something that even the government cannot enforce itself.

That's unfair to the business and the citizens actually.

But I would encourage everybody to do it.

So why are people so upset then, Mayor?

I mean, because you have been called everything under the sun and

you don't care about people and you're an embarrassment to the city.

I mean, that's what people are saying.

I love this.

I have friends in Plano and Frisco and Dallas, and they all think we're nuts.

It's embarrassing.

I'm embarrassed to live in Collyville right now.

That's all.

I'm all in span.

Yeah, people I've talked to.

I talked to a young mother yesterday at some length, and I just ask them questions and asking questions.

You know, they think that I have, and they've been told, and in social media, our detractors say that

we're making people not wear masks.

Well, that's completely untrue.

So they don't have their correct information.

They don't understand that this is not enforceable.

This is not a mask issue.

This is an enforcement issue.

I don't understand, you know, why that's happening?

I can't tell you why that's happening, but that's what is happening.

So I always simply calmly ask people

why they met at Collegeville and want to tell me things that are wrong.

I correct them on what's right.

And typically,

they still understand, but may not agree, but they understand it.

And the governor, how's your relationship with the governor, Greg Abbott?

Very good.

I think Governor Abbott has done a fantastic job.

I mean, I know some people disagree, but I think he's very considerate.

He considered all factors.

I think this Tarrant County order was put together very quickly without a lot of thought, with no discussion with the cities on how to enforce it.

And that came about after the fact, after he put the order in.

But Governor Abbott, it's not enforceable because Governor Abbott himself has edicted that there is no local governmental agency that has the right to mandate that individuals wear masks.

And he's done that because this is a constitutional issue.

He's not going to violate that.

So that's the reason it's unenforceable.

How How do you feel about all the governors and the mayors around the country that are just grabbing all this power?

Well, I think it's unfortunate that they're using this to,

for exactly what you said, to grab power.

And to, I think it's unfortunate when government entities

do things

that such as this is unenforceable, but

they know it's what people want to hear.

And so they do it, but it's kind of a hollow thing to do to me.

I think it's important to be straight up with people.

The reason is I have had citizens ask me, say, well, if you aren't going to enforce it, why do you just say anything?

Don't say anything.

Which, by the way, is what all the other cities are doing.

They're just not saying anything, but they're in the same situation we're in.

And I say that for three reasons.

One, just my personal principles.

When I'm in office, I think I owe it to our citizens to be straight up and honest with them.

That's just a personal principle.

In Collyville, we have four key principal values.

Two of them are communication and transparency.

So we're going to communicate, and we're going to be completely transparent.

So that's why I needed to tell people up front our position.

Number three, if we just said nothing, I can guarantee you what would happen and probably will happen somewhere.

is somebody walks into a business and sees somebody without a mask, they get very upset, they want to call the police to get it corrected and to enforce the policy.

They call the police, the police comes over, and the police said, I'm sorry, there's nothing we can do about it.

And then the police department gets blamed for not doing their job.

I think that's a terrible position for politicians to put their police force and their city staff in.

And I won't do it.

I simply don't think it's right.

Richard, I think there's probably a lot of people out in the listening audience now all over America that's like, I wish that guy was our mayor.

Thank you for explaining this.

It is a very different story than we're getting in the media.

Even the

local Dallas media has got this wrong.

Thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

Well, thank you for having me on and giving the opportunity to explain that.

I really do appreciate it.

You bet.

You bet.

Thank you so much.

Mayor Dr.

or Dr.

Mayor.

Mayor Dr.

I don't remember which comes first.

Richard Newton, the the mayor of Collyville on the Glenbeck program.

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in listening to this mayor,

that is the best answer I could have gotten from him.

And I think it's true.

He didn't sound like a politician, he sounded like a guy with real principles.

And he is a, I mean, he's a, he has his doctorate in engineering, so he is a science-based guy.

And I wouldn't expect that he was like, I just think this stuff is nonsense,

which, which he wasn't.

He was saying, I'm doing it for liberty.

We can't enforce this.

The DA says we can't enforce it.

What are you going to do?

And I appreciated his honesty on that.

Yeah, I did too.

I mean, you know, personal liberty is the best argument, I believe, in this situation.

You're right.

There are some people, you can find thousands of conspiracy videos that will tell you that, I don't know, it's 5G or something causing this.

But you can go, once you get past all of that,

there's an argument that even if you think that wearing masks is a really good idea, and I will say there was just a study that came out from the Roosevelt that showed, you know, a lot of military guys all

clamored next to each other in very tight quarters.

And they were able to run a study as to what people did as the separation points between who got it and who didn't.

And the most effective thing, more effective than social distancing or washing hands or anything, was mask wearing.

So who knows?

I mean, this stuff does change, but it was pretty compelling evidence, especially among a younger set of people, that masks are effective.

That being said,

this is the United States of America.

we're talking about here.

Like you, you don't,

the government should not be the ones coming in and telling everybody what to do.

I understand that there is a good argument for these things, and

there are some extra powers that the government has in situations like this, at least has been established legally, but it's supposed to be short term.

And it is always more effective if you convince people to do it with the facts.

But they can't.

But they can't now anymore because the facts of, you know, when you have the gay pride parades happening in Chicago and in New York City, plus all of the protests and the scientists that said racism is much more dangerous than

coronavirus, you don't have any factual basis to stand on anymore.

And what's worse is it is given the appearance that this whole thing was just made up, that this whole thing was just a plan to tube our economy.

And that's not true.

But

how are you going to convince people now

that they should stay indoors?

Because you've destroyed their business, you've robbed them of prosperity,

you have greatly damaged

the economy of the United States.

Maybe for a 10-year period, you've spent all kinds of money.

Your mayors and your governors in some states states are completely out of control.

Then you did nothing about the protests.

You've got a real credibility problem.

You have a real credibility problem.

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And I don't care what anybody says.

The federal government and the state and local government should not be telling you, I can put you in jail if you don't wear a mask.

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And it's up to us to do it, and we should be doing it.

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Well, Mike Pence is in trouble because he just would not say Black Lives Matter.

Well, do you mean that as

the phrase that has a trademark after it?

As in the corporation that is full of Marxist radicals?

Or are you saying that, like,

you know, all lives matter.

Black lives matter, white lives matter?

He wouldn't say it.

Now he's in trouble.

Should we be saying it?

And should we get rid of white Jesus?

Should we embrace this Marxism that is now being spoon-fed to our children and is everywhere on our streets?

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Unfortunately, the American people didn't feel that way.

Now his videos online on YouTube are burning everything up.

His name is Dr.

Vodi Bacham.

He is the Dean of Theology at the African Christian University.

He is an American that now lives abroad in Zambia where he is actually

taking care of black lives.

And he joins us now over the phone.

Bodhi, how are you, sir?

I am fine, Glenn.

Thank you for having me back.

You bet, you bet.

I want to talk to you a little bit about a few things.

First of all, can I get your comments and your thoughts about white Jesus?

Because now there's a movement and a new poll out that says 31% of blacks want the white Jesus destroyed and replaced with black Jesus.

That's interesting on a number of levels,

not least of which, you know, a lot of black people had the same experience.

If you grew up, you know, in a black household, especially if you grew up, you know, in the South, but I grew up in Los Angeles and it was still true there.

When you went into a home of a black person, an older black person there were generally three pictures on the wall there was a picture of Martin Luther King there was a picture of John F.

Kennedy and there was a picture of Jesus and it was the white Jesus and and nobody ever complained about the ethnicity

of Jesus on the wall

And it really became an issue more with the black power movement and especially with organizations like the Nation of Islam and others.

So that's one thing that I find interesting about this.

A second thing that I find interesting about this is I'm a Reformed Baptist, right?

And so for me, I don't want any images of Jesus.

I think it's a violation of the Second Commandment.

But if I

were to advocate for taking down all images of Jesus because of the second of the Ten Commandments from God Almighty, I would be dismissed out of hand as a religious zealot.

But now, in the age of anti-racism, somebody wants white Jesus taken down, and there is absolutely no objection.

And so, for me, what's interesting about this is that it points to what I see as a new religion.

This is a religious fervor that we see.

There are new commandments.

There is a new canon of scripture.

There is a new definition of sin, a new definition of salvation.

And unfortunately for white people, there is no salvation because you are a racist and a white supremacist.

There's nothing you can do about it.

And ultimately, you can never be cured, which means you can never be forgiven.

Well, that sucks to be us, doesn't it?

Well, not you, but me.

So

it's not to be me, man.

I can be worshiped.

I can have people bow down on their knees before me

and shine my shoes.

And if I'm not happy with them shining my shoes, I can ask them for a stock in their company.

I can just tell people to shut up and listen to me.

It's crazy.

It's great.

Absolutely crazy.

And what I'm worried about is the backlash.

People are not going to continue to do this forever.

And there's real racism out there.

There are real racists out there.

There's real hatred out there.

It's being driven underground.

And

what I'm worried about is the backlash and the response.

How do you mean?

What do you fear?

Well,

what I fear is people coming to a place where they say, listen, this is crazy.

It's stupid.

It's a bridge too far.

I don't want to talk about these issues anymore.

I reject this.

I reject you.

And all of a sudden, any type of real conversation about real problems goes out the window because of the unreasonable nature of the way these things are being forced right now.

So, how do we avoid that?

Because, I mean, when you get down to take the statues and all the stained glass window of Jesus and his white friends, look, Jesus, I don't think Jesus was white.

I think he looked like a Jew from the Middle East.

I think that's what he probably looked like.

But I don't care.

That's not essential to my salvation.

I don't care what he looked like.

I really don't.

But

when you get down to this where

you are now taking things that are deeply, deeply personal, how do you stop it?

That's what I'm referring to when I talk about the backlash.

These things are unsustainable.

People are only going to bow the knee for so long.

People are only going to bow down in obeiescence before the statue of Dr.

Martin Luther King Jr.

for so long before people finally say,

listen, that's enough and that's too far.

And Glenn,

here's why that's an issue.

Because with this movement,

with this radical Marxist movement, this Black Lives Matter movement, a 99 is an F.

And we need to be clear about that.

A 99 is an F.

You can do everything that they demand of you, but the minute you decide that's a bridge too far, the response is, you failed.

I knew you were a white supremacist.

I knew you were a racist.

And you're completely repudiated.

And any kind of absolution that you had is immediately taken back.

So was Mike Pence right in refusing to say Black Lives Matter?

Yes, I think he was.

And what worries me is that there are so many Christians who are not taking that stand.

Because again,

we have to separate this movement

from

issues.

So

here's what the Marxists do.

Here's what the Marxists have always done.

You use words and phrases, and you pour into those words and phrases your own meaning.

And oftentimes you create kind of this Kafka trap, you know, where

if somebody does not use the phrase that you want them to use, it proves

that they are what you say they are, right?

So prove you're not a racist by using that phrase.

You refuse to use that phrase, then you're a racist.

Let me push back on you, and you tell me how to handle it.

So then, voting, black lives don't matter to you.

Yeah, see, I'm not playing your game.

Why do I need to play that game?

First of all.

Well, because

it's a very easy thing to say.

Black lives matter.

Don't they?

Why would you refuse to say it?

I know that that is a phrase that is part of an organization.

It is a trademarked phrase, and it's a phrase designed to use black people.

That phrase dehumanizes black people because it makes them pawns in a game that has nothing whatsoever to do with black people and their dignity and has everything to do with a divisive agenda that is bigger than black people.

That's why I'm not going to use that phrase.

Because I love black people.

I love being black.

I love black people because I are one, right?

So that's number one.

Number two, I don't have to prove anything to you.

That's number two.

This is about me being right with God.

And number three,

this movement is dangerous.

This movement is vicious.

And this movement uses black people.

And so if I'm really concerned about issues in the black community, and I am, then I have to refuse and I have to repudiate that organization because they stand against

that

for which I am advocating.

Okay, Vodi, I'm going to take a quick break.

And you're writing a new book, and I just kind of want to go through the first section of it with you.

It's Reject Cultural Marxism and Black Lives Matter.

And I would really love for you to concentrate, if you can, on how do we talk to our kids?

Because our kids have bought into this wokeness thing.

And, you know, dad, it's not enough not to be a racist.

You have to be an anti-racist.

How do you answer that?

And how do you break through with kids that they don't think that they've been indoctrinated?

They think that

they're woke.

And we'll go there with Dr.

Vodi

Bacham here in just a second.

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So, Vodi,

tell me why it's not good enough to be a non-racist, to not be racist.

You have to be anti-racist.

That seems like a pretty good goal.

Yeah,

until you recognize what that means, right?

Being anti-racist means that you advocate against racism.

And that sounds good too, right?

But then we have to define racism.

And we define racism according to critical theory.

Critical theory,

which comes from Marx, the Marxist idea that you reduce everything to oppressed and oppressors, this sort of Hegelian view of history, right?

So you keep backing these things up.

And what these guys have done is they've created an entire glossary of terms, right?

And

if you agree,

you're sort of backed into another corner and then backed into another corner.

And eventually,

this is my problem.

And a lot of people ask, well, why are you going to Glenn Beck's program?

Already?

Yeah,

people ask.

I'm sure for the last year, you know why, why you have me on your program?

No, I've got nothing but good letters on you.

Well, just hang in there.

They're coming, brother.

Hang in there.

But here's the thing: because what is happening in our country and what is happening in the media is that we're removing God from the equation.

And I'm on here because this is one of the only places that I can be free to address that.

And to me, that's what's really dangerous and egregious about this.

This is a new religion moving toward a utopianism that finds salvation outside of God, that finds hope and salvation outside of Christ.

That is completely unacceptable.

And it's also idolatry.

We are literally bowing before men.

We're bowing before statues of men.

That's idolatry, Glenn.

And

we're trying to find hope in places where there is no hope.

It's an over-realized eschatology.

We believe that the government is going to save us.

Here's what I find interesting, right?

So we end slavery in 1865.

And then, you know, we get the 13th Amendment, the 14th Amendment, the 15th Amendment.

All right.

Excellent.

The government did something about racism and white supremacy.

Ah, not so fast.

Because then we have segregation, Jim Crow, the KKK, and all this sort of stuff.

Okay, fine.

The government's got to come back 100 years later, 1864, 1865.

We have the Civil Rights Act, and then we have the Voting Rights Act.

Finally, the government has responded.

Ah, not so fast.

Now, here we are, a generation later, when the government has not been able to eradicate racism, right?

So, what's our answer?

Advocate for the government that that has proven

incompetent in these areas to do it for us, but for real this time.

It's the wrong answer.

Now, let me hurry to say, I want good laws.

I absolutely want good laws.

I'm not one of these individuals who says, you know, ah, politics.

Why should we have anything to do with politics?

Ironically, people have considered me too politically active for

a lot of my ministry, right?

And so I'm not saying that we shouldn't advocate for that.

What I'm saying is right now, what I'm seeing is that people are pressing this like

this time,

we're finally able to get the ball over the goalposts.

And I'm saying, absolutely not.

Christ is our only hope.

He is our only answer to these issues.

But when critical theory comes in, And now everything becomes systemic

and we move outside of the individual, all of a sudden our hope does become a systemic hope, a governmental hope.

And so what I don't want to see talking about that backlash again, you know, is people saying, number one, we don't need to deal with the hearts of men anymore because we absolutely do.

Racism is real.

Prejudice is real.

Or saying that we only need to deal with the hearts of some men because now we say racism is something that only white people, you know, can experience Glenn I know some black racists I'm I'm related to some okay and they need their hearts changed right

and so I'm worried about that and and

so much of this just moves us away from the truth and it moves us away from legitimate discussions about real things that actually do need to change and be addressed

So,

how do you address people who say, look, I'm, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, they're Marxist, but I'm not a Marxist.

And most of the people that are marching are not Marxist.

And so, you know, we're just trying to get some change here

on some real issues.

I mean, because that's really what people are saying, I think.

They just don't believe the Marxist side of it.

I don't know how.

And you have a lot of churches now going in and going all full Black Lives Matter.

Yeah, you absolutely do.

And some people because they don't know what the organization is about, and others in spite of the fact that they do know what the organization is about.

And listen, I am not saying

that we don't advocate for change.

I mean,

that's the nature of the American experiment, right?

That's the nature of our history as a country.

Every couple of years, we're advocating for change.

I'm here on the African continent.

Glenn, do you realize that in the history of democracy on the continent of Africa, there have been two times when the incumbent has not won an election?

Two times.

Oh my gosh.

On the whole continent, Glenn.

Holy cow.

All right.

Back in just a minute.

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We're glad you're here.

I've got a couple of things I want to talk to you about.

I want to talk to you a little bit more about Black Lives Matter and some of the things that

we talked about last Wednesday on the

television show because we went through the funding of Black Lives Matter.

And

it is truly remarkable

what we know about Black Lives Matter and

how they get all of their

all of their funding.

I want to talk a little bit about one of the things that we showed last Wednesday

is

the

group that I don't think you might have heard of, but I don't think you really understand what it is.

Democracy Alliance.

Have you ever heard of that, Stu?

Democracy Alliance?

Yes, I've heard of it only from you, though, I think.

I mean, they're not a well-known thing to the average person.

Do you know what it is?

I don't want to say the word laundering, but

you know, that's my impression.

Okay, all right.

Well, I didn't say that.

It's a dark money organization, and it was founded by,

guess, George Soros, but also has very

influential members like Tom Steyer.

Hmm.

Tom Steyer, why do I know that name?

Now, since 2005,

this one organization, Democracy Alliance, has directed $600 million

to progressive candidates and policies.

That's over half a billion dollars from this one organization.

Now, Soros and Rob Stein created this

money-making juggernaut, if you will.

And they knew

after the election of of President Bush in 2004, they knew that the Progressive Party was in trouble.

And so they got together and they did something.

And I, boy, I wish I was telling you a story about Republicans doing things like this or constitutionalists or libertarians doing something like this.

But nope, nope, we don't.

So what they did

is they get together with 70 of their billionaire friends and millionaires.

And they got together with them in 2005 with a long-term goal of the progressives taking power.

Soros donated $18 million of his own money.

Now, here's how they operate: secrecy apparently is paramount.

Democracy Alliance, the members, meet twice every year, but their agendas are, and who attends, highly guarded secrets.

We had

a document that was smuggled out of one of the meetings,

and it is

pretty shocking.

It shows

Media Matters for America as one of their main allies, and they outlined a whole way that Media Matters can operate, but they, gosh, they need more funding.

And when you look at the progressive groups that they are funding, it is astonishing.

America Votes, American Constitution, Black Civic Engagement Fund, Brennan Center, Center for American Progress, Center for Community Change, Center for Budget and Policy Priorities, the Common Purchase Purpose Project, Fund for the Republic.

Oh, that sounds nice.

The Latino Engagement Fund, Media Matters for America, New Media Ventures, New Organization Institute, Organizing for Action, Progressive Majority, Progress Now,

State Voices, Women's Equality Center, Youth Engagement Fund.

I mean, it just goes on and on.

I'm really just not even out of the A's.

Democracy Alliance maintains its privacy of its members and the dark money.

And what they are acting as is this combination of the World Bank and a social network for progressive billionaires.

And here's what you have to do if you want to be a member.

You have to pay a $25,000 initiation fee, oh, do they bank my bottom?

$30,000 a year in dues, and an additional $200,000 a year to groups that Democracy Alliance supports.

But the vast majority of funds come from solicited donations from outside of the billionaires, of which

Democracy Alliance serves as a pass-through to their favorite organizations.

So it's a pass-through.

Or what did you

so inaccurately describe this as Stuart?

I was honestly a little distracted.

I was thinking about I have some dirty clothes at home and I need to put them in the laundry

and clean them

and cleanse them so that people wouldn't necessarily know that they were dirty before, but now they'll say, wow, those are clean clothes.

And the the whole time you'll be thinking, Yeah, they've actually been really dirty in the past, and you don't know about it.

So, that's I was thinking about a home, a home issue with my clothing.

And I

see, I think I

think I got it.

I think I got it.

We also talked about how people are

influencing what's happening on our streets.

Project Veritas had a video that we showed you last week where there are national organizers with a group called Refuse Fascism.

And it's an organization that works in tandem with Antifa and now is plotting the destruction of capitalism

from swanky

upscale restaurants where

they talk about, hey, we've got, and we have the video of it,

you know, George Soros and Tom Steyer.

I mean,

we've been talking to them.

Now they don't want to be named, but

they're gonna come out and they've got some really big things that they are gonna do and there's gonna be oh, we have the video.

Go ahead and play it.

Listen to this.

We did apply for a grant from Soros at Wembridge a long time ago.

We actually did get a grant from them.

There is going to be a need for thousands of people and then millions to come into the streets.

We're trying to meet with Tom Steyer.

We've been talking to his assistant, meeting with

his main advisor on your future.

I think he has political ambitions that he may actually the ones who should not be directly connecting.

Okay, so they're talking about how they did get money from Soros and how they're meeting with Tom Stire.

And they don't want to be

directly connected,

but

what their goal is, is to put thousands of people on the streets and then millions of people on the streets this summer.

Now this came out before there were thousands on the streets and millions on the streets, and they are talking about protests and riots and anarchy.

This is very, very well crafted.

This is exactly what is behind

the people of Black Lives Matter.

Black Lives Matter is not a charitable organization.

That's why they're not raising raising money themselves.

They'll say give to Black Lives Matter, but when you go there, you're actually giving to Act Blue, which is a 501c4 stew, do you know?

And so

you can get a charitable contribution for your taxes, but that's because it's going to Act Blue.

And

when you see how they're spending their money at Black Lives Matter, very little of it actually goes to Black Lives Matter in the first place.

Act Blue is another.

Hey, let me just pardon me for just a second.

Stu, don't forget to do your laundry.

Yeah,

okay.

Let's make sure we keep up with that because laundering is your clothing is very important.

Your clothing is very, very important.

So, anyway,

so you're looking now at a group that is

funding,

of course,

Black Lives Matter and

giving them the money that you donate.

Not all of the money.

We don't think, not all of the money.

We think a portion of the money.

And out of that portion, about 80% of it goes to the global operations, which means

consulting fees.

Hmm.

Who are they consulting with?

The

salaries and the air travel for a global organization.

Only 6% of it goes actually to the inner city.

Only 6% of it goes to the local chapters.

God only knows what they're doing with it.

But this is a giant fundraising scheme, and it's all going into the same pot that are doing a lot of advertisements and a lot of other things

for the Democrats so they can win in this next election.

We're all being played here, and Mike Pence was right for not saying black lives matter.

We all know that they do in reality.

But we,

those of us who are paying attention, also know exactly who these people are and how they are using black people, how they are using the plight,

and how they are souping things up with all cops are bad

to get their way in November.

But they're not only just, those power players are not only using the black strife,

they are using Black Lives Matter.

They're using these Marxists to be able to forward it.

And there's one thing that

George Soros is not.

He's not a Marxist.

So why would someone be giving money to a bunch of Marxists?

Because they're useful idiots.

They're the ones that will in the end be scooped up.

They're the ones in the end that the bottom-up, top-down, inside-out

really is effective.

Right now, you don't really want the top to come down with

Donald Trump because Donald Trump is not going to be the effective one.

The effective one is possibly the next president who won't even know when he's in the Oval Office or when he's taking nappy naps and drooling on his pillow.

When Joe Biden gets in, if he, God forbid, gets in,

when that happens and the streets rise up, he'll then be authorized to go in and

quash those

few Black Lives Matter

Marxists, and the top will come down.

And unfortunately, it will come down on them and on us.

And that's the revolution without a shot fired.

That's exactly how it's happened with Marxists and Communists over and over and over again in country after country in the 20th century.

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No.

No.

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Hey, Stu, can you help me out with the Washington Post's thinking on the story with the headline, Trump keeps claiming that most dangerous cities in America are all run by Democrats.

Well, they aren't.

Well, technically, you're right.

There's one

that is run by an Independent and one is run by a Republican.

But other than that, in the top 20 most dangerous cities, they're all run by Democrats.

Well, I could tell you exactly what their thought is.

We've proved Donald Trump is a liar.

That's the entire thing.

It's like they didn't have the facts when they wrote the story, and then they

put all the graphs and the bars and everything else in there.

And

editorial didn't meet with the art department at all.

And they just kind of ran the story.

I love this from the Daily Caller.

The headline on their story on this is, we swear to God, this is a real Washington Post headline.

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She is an investigative journalist, and

usually

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Murrow Award for Investigative Reporting, when it actually meant something.

Cheryl, welcome to the program.

How are you?

I'm great.

Thank you.

How are you?

I'm good.

I'm good.

I want to talk to you about a couple of things.

First of all,

was Vice President Pence right for not saying Black Lives Matter?

Gosh, I just probably wouldn't weigh in on that.

I think that we are far too quick to criticize everybody for having a variety of opinions that I think should be welcome on the public stage.

I guess that's how I would weigh in on that.

Okay.

I'm sorry, I forgot.

You actually are a journalist.

So then tell me what you found about Black Lives Matter and its funding.

Well, I'm starting to dig into that now, and I will tell you what I've looked at, not directly related, but I guess tangentially related, is, and I see these as all dovetailing together, the efforts to make sure that certain opinions, thoughts, and facts are censored or not seen on social media or the news, and to shout down people who have opposing opinions or who, you know, whether it involves Black Lives Matter and the protests or other topics, who's behind these so-called fact checks being used to make sure opinions are stifled and facts are stifled?

Who's behind the efforts to narrow the universe of information we get?

And there are a few of the same names that do pop up.

One of them is, as you mentioned, George Soros of the Open Society Foundations.

I looked at the new board that Facebook has created to help determine some of these fact checks and appeal.

And one of the first people on there is funded by and works for the George Soros group.

If you look at First Draft, which is a nonprofit started by Google, Alphabet, Eric Schmidt, Hillary Clinton supporter, and the last election cycle, it drove the fake news narrative as an effort against conservatives, which was then taken over by the Trump folks, that it was started as a liberal effort against conservatives.

Well, who's funding that now?

First draft?

George Soros is one of the funders.

And they've reached out to all kinds of academic institutions that partner with them as if they're a neutral nonprofit that determine and dictate and train journalists in how to ferret out fake news.

But you can guess how all of this leans because of the people that are behind the funding for these groups.

Cheryl, that is a horrid anti-Semitic trope.

Why would you use this anti-Semitic trope against just the wonderful, loving, elderly gentleman we know as Mr.

Soros?

Well, let me give you the flip side since you brought that up.

And I will be calling Soros people as I, you know, as I'm researching for an article I'm writing.

And I'm sure they would say, and he would say, this is a well-meaning, intentioned effort by a philanthropist who's dedicated, I mean, he is dedicated to this cause.

Whatever you think the reasoning is,

be a true believer in these, you know, the words that he wants pushed and the ones he doesn't want pushed.

And I think they would say they're trying to make the world a better place.

And there's nothing more than that behind

what they're trying to do.

But I will talk to them, and that will be in my article, too.

Yeah.

Well, I can guarantee you that's what they're going to say.

We just have a different point of view of

doing good.

And

that's the thing that we should be talking about.

Glenn, here's what I think is important.

It doesn't matter whether it's George Soros or the remaining Koch brother or whoever you want to name on whatever side of the political or corporate spectrum.

I think my point is anytime you have these fact checks and these, oh, we're going to police hate speech, that's the problem.

There's always a non-neutral party behind it or co-opting it, and you cannot guarantee that it's going to be done, that it can be done in any sort of fair or neutral way.

And that's what made America so special, that nobody was trying to do that.

that

only that which is illegal in this country, you know, was kind of considered off the stage until the last few years.

Now, all these people are trying to define, for corporate reasons and political reasons,

redefine the line of what we can talk about and the positions we're allowed to have and what we're allowed to say.

Why aren't people, Cheryl, in the media, or maybe some of them are, or I don't know.

Why isn't anyone seemingly concerned about

what I think would make Joseph McCarthy blush at this point?

I mean, it is

hunt down people that are not woke enough at this point.

I mean, I saw the story.

Here's Van Jones working with the president on this police bill.

Van Jones,

he's not exactly a conservative, and it was not enough for the left.

And if you speak out, if you don't have the right opinion, do they see

what this is?

Do they have any recollection, do you think?

Well, I think, number one, people aren't being taught anymore, and this has happened for a generation or so.

In schools, they're not reading Animal Farm in 1984 and looking at American history in the terms that I guess I looked at American history being taught about free speech and how why it's important to protect objectional speech and so on.

But secondly, the media has slowly been co-opted successfully by these well-funded sources, and I wrote about that in the smear.

It's been going on for 20 years at least, but I mean I really a concerted effort for 20 years to shape the landscape.

I think it was largely driven by the pharmaceutical industry, but also

other corporate and political interests that they knew how to get their nose under the tent in the media and that if they can make sure people are interviewed in the news and newsrooms are staffed with certain people and that nonprofits and LLCs and websites and quasi-news sites all get on board because they're all being driven by the same narrative.

They can make people feel a certain way and afraid to say

facts that they're told are contrary to the narrative or science or whatever these people claim, whether true or not.

You have a new book coming out.

It's called Slanted, if I'm not mistaken.

But I know you've been doing a lot of interviews on the de-evolution of the New York Times Times and CNN.

Did anybody go on record and say anything?

I mean, because it's almost like they don't even believe they have changed at all.

Let me tell you, I interviewed, this is the only book I know of of its kind,

news executives and reporters representing every top national news network, ABC, NBC, CNN, MSNBC, all of them.

And none of them were comfortable with where news has gone.

Now, most of them spoke anonymously.

Not all of them did.

Many of them worked at CNN, by the way, and some of them still do.

And none of them that I spoke to were comfortable with the direction CNN has taken.

A lot of them are appalled by them.

And by the way, all of them describe themselves to me, to the extent they gave me their political leanings, as progressive or liberal leaning.

So these are not conservatives, and they are uncomfortable with the news.

I mean, a top, top executive from a very reputed news organization, actually a program that I respect very highly, just railed at CNN.

And he's not a Trump fan and he's described himself as liberal leaning, but he says you can't watch CNN anymore and think that it's anything other than a propaganda outfit.

And so this is a widely held view.

You don't hear expressed for whatever reason.

You know, if a journalist wants to keep their job today, too, they're not going to speak out about these things within their organizations or against other organizations.

But they spoke quite frankly to me when I wrote about it for this book.

I worked at CNN, Glenn, and that's why probably some of the people talked to me.

But what CNN was when I was there in 90 to 93 and what it is today, that there's no resemblance to each other anymore.

And if people have been around long enough, they know that.

It's funny because I worked at CNN, and that's why a lot of them won't talk to me.

But that's a wholly different story, I guess.

So, what is the the future then of the press?

If these people know what's happening, why aren't they doing anything?

And

what do they think the future is?

Well, I think our industry has been so blurred with the opinion industry.

And then even within the New York Times, now on the front page.

headlines, you know, they're blending their own opinions without attribution.

Like everything's changed.

And I don't know how or if you can dial that back.

I think people now just accept this is sort of a new reality.

The best we can hope for, I don't know what's going to come of it, is that there will be some, there are many people who want to start sort of a more old-fashioned neutral news organization.

And I think people are trying to do that, and maybe there will be some that will have some success and kind of a place you can turn as an alternative.

You know, you'll go to CNN and Fox and these other networks for the news that you want to see, but still maybe then have a new place you can go to where you feel like you're getting just more of a straight story without having to discount what they found on the basis of what you think their opinions are.

But I don't know how to root out what has already become endemic now within the news and media industry.

That's a little frightening.

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So, you know, Cheryl, you were talking about this new Facebook panel, which is truly, truly frightening.

One of the people on the panel,

you know,

is an Islamist,

does not have a problem with

some of the real extreme things that are happening in the Middle East.

Is this a lost cause in social media as well?

Well, in the current structure of social media, yes.

There are others trying to figure out models whereby social media will be more like our blogs, meaning and I can't describe this technically the way the experts know how to do it, but whereby you're not dependent upon that platform.

In other words, Twitter can't just remove you and take away all of your visibility if it works more like a blog where they can't take your blog down if they don't like it.

And there's a way to do that.

I d I don't know how that happens, but there are people working on it.

But yes, it's somewhat of a lost cause.

I think that the moment that social media companies agreed to become police for whatever reason, they should have said, in my view, would have been in their best interest and everybody's, they should have said, we don't censor anything except that which is illegal.

We give you the tools as they do to make sure you don't see stuff you don't want to see.

And even if you want to opt into our fake fact checks or whatever we do, you can opt in, but you're not forced to take it.

Their fact checks and all of this is so non-transparent.

And

this new panel Facebook has started says, oh, here's how we're going to handle appeals.

Well, they fake fact checked a couple of things that I put out that were completely accurate, but I didn't know how to appeal.

I don't have any contacts at Facebook.

There's no one I can call, no phone number.

But I guess if you figure out how to do that, it now will go to this appeals panel, and most of them are global, not U.S.

people, where someone pointed out to me, they don't have the First Amendment, Second Amendment.

They view things differently as to what should be allowed and what the world view of things, you know, things that should be said and shouldn't be said are.

So these things are going to be determined.

And the more fair they claim to try to be with all of their panels, I think the more conflicted they ultimately become.

It's just a know-in situation.

So is Parlor,

Parlor

had a huge increase last week in users, and they're coming out and trying to be

the competition for Twitter.

The problem is, when you allow all speech at the very beginning, at least, until you start to get some mass and people from all over, you get the people who couldn't speak elsewhere.

And some of it is legitimate hate speech.

And so you just, when you go into it, at times you're like, oh, ick, I don't want to be a part of this.

And so it doesn't get past that initial phase.

Can something like Parlor get past that?

I think that's a challenge.

It's still a question because Gab tried the same thing, and I'm on Gab and Parlor.

But in addition to people who have objectionable speech that flock to those places, there are also false plants.

that they go there specifically to sabotage these platforms.

They go there and create

anonymous accounts and they say objectionable, horrible, racist things so that then they can point to that and go, look, Gab is the place where all the racists go and it sort of feeds upon itself.

It's a strategy.

And

it's hard to survive that.

So then people campaigned against Gab and tried to get them deep, they did get them deplatformed off some of their servers or hosts, whatever you call it.

They've gotten Visa not to take their you know, their money.

I mean, there's just these campaigns that you are subject to, these organized campaigns that make sure that everywhere you turn, you're facing opposition, and pretty soon it becomes their reality, becomes sort of the understood public reality, whether true or not.

So I don't know that somebody breaks through.

Those same campaigns that I have faced and others have faced,

they're now being turned on Facebook

and these big platforms where they've organized the biggest advertisers take a month off and tell Facebook that they've got to police hate.

And that may be ultimately, oddly enough, the thing that helps, one of the things that becomes a tipping point that turns things the other way because the people who want to police speech so strongly, and they say hate, but what it really is, some of it could be hate speech, but only certain hate speech from certain people, not from others.

And we all know how that goes.

It may be where people don't want to use Facebook anymore because the narrowed universe of what's acceptable is so ridiculous.

And that may push people to

other platforms or may push the government to take some action.

I don't like the thought of government action either because I just think anyone who steps in, it just seems to lead to no good.

Yeah, it's going to be very bad.

All right.

A couple of other things.

I want to talk to you a little bit about COVID.

I want to talk about

Barr and his task force for the anti-government extremists.

I want to talk a little bit about what the New York Times released on Russia and their bounty on the heads of U.S.

soldiers, all when we come back with Cheryl Atkinson.

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Cheryl, I want to talk to you a little bit about the COVID numbers and what's happening

with COVID.

We've had the protests out.

We've had now this weekend big crowds for a gay pride parade in New York and in

Chicago.

Doctors have actually put out a position paper about how racism and these protests, et cetera, et cetera, were bigger and more important than COVID.

And yet at the same time, we're being yelled at to stay inside and keep our masks on.

And this isn't over.

It's about to get worse.

Which is it?

Which is it?

I don't think we know.

And I have spent a great deal of time talking to scientists, some I know, some I didn't know before this, but who are working on coronavirus directly.

Some for the government, some for academic institutions.

And despite what is being widely said on the media, such as, well, the mask dispute has been decided.

We all know that we should wear masks.

Or the scientific dispute over staying indoors has been decided.

We all know it's saving lives.

That's not true according to the scientists.

They won't say that necessarily publicly.

They say for fear of appearing to contradict Dr.

Fauci or national policy.

But, you know, scientifically, this is far from conclusive in their view.

And I think we won't know a lot of it until some years down the road.

And one thing, if history is any guide, we will absolutely look back in a few years and see that some of the things we thought were true were maybe the opposite of what we should have done.

I mean, my main objection, Glenn, is, you know, science is like that.

So I don't have a problem with the government necessarily initially saying, don't wear masks, it hurts, and then, oh, absolutely do wear masks or you're crazy.

I don't have such a problem with that if they only had said at the time,

This is the best of what we can figure based on what we know now.

But they never say that.

They act like you were stupid to think you ever shouldn't wear a mask when they were the ones telling you not to wear a mask.

It's just, you know,

and so the whole notion that people are presenting these decided truths when it's very much in flux is what I find objectionable.

Well, that and the fact that they speak, like you say, with such authority, this is what it is, and anything else, you're trying to kill people.

And then when

it's

something that they really agree with, like the protests, they will actually say, well, yeah, except for this.

And so I don't know how you're going to get people back on board.

If it gets bad,

they've hurt their credibility so badly that if and when this thing, God forbid, starts to really ramp up again and become very dangerous,

nobody's going to listen to them.

Or at least half of the country is not going to listen to them because they have zero credibility.

This is a long-standing argument about government scientists and so on.

Every time you pick an issue and they claim at the moment that they know what's right and there are forces out there that try to pretend then therefore nothing evolves, the science is settled and so on, but then

logical minds know better, they're ruining their own credibility for the next time.

It's not the fault of the public that doubts certain things.

They've created that doubt by their past behavior.

And to blame the people for wondering and for hearing and reading different scientific opinions and then drawing their own conclusions, to blame the public as if they're stupid or trying to kill people or hateful, I think this is the fault of those who, as you said, pretend present with such authority things that are not settled and are still unknown, only to be proven incorrect sometimes later.

So,

I just can't understand

what people are thinking, honestly, and how this is happening.

The mayor, I just talked to the mayor of a small town in Texas called Collyville.

It's a suburb of Dallas.

And

the news is that this guy is defying all orders, and he's saying, we're not going to have the police stop you if you're not wearing a mask.

I don't care what the governor says.

I don't care what medicine says.

You're not to wear a mask and we're not going to enforce it when I got him on the air today and I asked him about it he said that's not what I'm saying I'm saying we don't the police don't have the power to arrest you or to be able to prosecute you

according to our DA you can't pro we can't this is not a law it's a recommendation And so we just wanted to be really clear with our citizens.

Don't call the police if somebody's not wearing wearing a mask because we can't enforce that.

So, what's the motivation for the press to just get it that wrong?

You know, I think there's several issues at play that are deeper and go far beyond coronavirus with

bigger ideas of what they want to push and why coming into an election cycle, maybe true beliefs that they have.

I think a lot of members of the press are very

close-minded and group-thinkish, which would surprise people because we are supposed to be the ones who would listen to all sides and examine things, but they tend to,

believe it or not, listen to a government authority like maybe with CDC and not question logically things that should be logically questioned.

They tend to say these days, weirdly enough, well, that's the word.

That's what's to accept, even if it contradicts something they said.

three weeks ago.

This is now the thing we all have to believe and do.

I don't know.

I don't really know where that mentality comes in because I was taught in journalism school to question,

not just ridiculously question, but to just look at all the stuff that authorities and government corporations are putting out and want you to believe and try to look critically and neutrally and listen to other sides.

But that seems like an antiquated notion now.

The New York Times reported this weekend that Russia was offering a bounty on our soldiers' heads in Afghanistan, which

sounds to me like an act of war.

Does it sound to you like an act of war, Cheryl?

I'd have to research that, Glenn.

It sounds completely, yes, over the line, but I don't know how all of that works.

Right.

Okay, so,

but my question is, this happens.

I remember when this was happening, I think in Afghanistan or maybe in Iraq with Iran.

Iran offered a bounty on our soldiers' heads.

So it has happened before.

Have you ever heard it happening before?

You haven't.

No, but that doesn't surprise me.

Well, no, I've never looked into that issue or heard that.

I'm not as well read on every topic as you are.

But yes, I'm sure that stuff goes on.

You know, drug cartels in foreign countries and all kinds of places do that sort of thing.

So the New York Times has a problem with the president admitting that he knew this, that we had Intel.

But

if the President would admit that, wouldn't it require a response from us?

I'm trying to figure out

what the ending is here that

they would be satisfied with.

A war with Russia,

you know, getting

entangled with them even deeper than we are in a bad way?

I mean,

what is the president supposed to do?

Based on what you just described, it sounds like if he were, if they could get him to admit he knew and didn't take action, that proves once again he's a Putin-puppet Russian stooge.

Or somebody who doesn't want to have a war with Russia, and so let's get out of there, or let's develop other strategies.

I mean,

again, I just don't know what the

end game

is

on stories like that.

I just think to prove he's not in the know, or he's in the know and makes the wrong move, or he doesn't have the right interests at heart, it's always something, you know, something related to that.

I saw a story last week that said that the President is obsessed with people knowing that he's not losing his marbles, et cetera, et cetera, which I found ironic,

that nobody is printing what they think might be going on with Joe Biden.

Does Joe Biden is there anybody that you would trust or that could

say

Joe

is maybe not as mentally healthy as he was in 2016, that he's a little slow?

Is that a fair question?

Is that something that can be answered by anyone other than his own personal doctor?

Well, I think that's absolutely a fair question.

It's being asked, you know, and accused every day of Donald Trump, Trump as was during the campaign you know these things were being asked and probed and even without evidence as they say you know being said as if true certainly it's a fair question to ask if someone who wants to be president who can make that determination well if his personal physician were to make such a determination I don't think they would release it you know that's his private medical records we wouldn't know I guess I would trust if his own medical doctor made a finding like that or he went through some evaluation.

I tend to think, you know, you watch Joe Biden and in fairness, he makes all of these strange blunders, but if you also watch him read off teleprompter or speak at other times, he gets by and I'll bet that a doctor might examine him and say he's normal for his age, whatever that is.

It doesn't mean your cognitive abilities are like they were 5, 10, 15, 20 years ago.

but he might well be able to pass a cognitive test.

Watching him and listening to him, I think that's going to be up to voters.

And I hope he does do debates.

And we can see both candidates when they're in that sort of an ad-lib situation.

And we can make our own decisions about how sharp, you know, how sharp we think they are or are not.

And it's always, isn't it always a little bit of a crapshoot when you're voting for somebody?

You don't really know if they're going to, God forbid, drop dead of a heart attack tomorrow.

You're just looking at your best information.

You know, there's just no way to know.

Cheryl Atkinson, thank you so much.

Thanks for the the hard work that you do and all of the things that you continue to expose and really, truly trying to find the truth no matter where it lies.

I really appreciate it.

Thank you so much.

Well, thank you for your interest in my work, Len.

I really appreciate that.

You bet.

Bye-bye.

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Stu,

let's talk a little bit more about the Washington Post and what the Washington Post tried to do and failed miserably

saying Donald Trump is a liar.

He says, you know, most of the most dangerous cities, I think he says all of the most dangerous cities in America

are run by Democrats.

Washington Post came out and said, no, we looked at 20 cities and two of them, well, one's an independent, one's a Republican.

Yeah.

Okay, well.

So

they proved for sure that he is a liar with that because I believe it's Jacksonville has a Republican mayor of the top 20 most dangerous cities.

Yeah, we're going to go into depth on this on Stu Does America.

Stu does Left-Leaning Cities or Democrat-run Cities, something like that.

We haven't come up with the title yet, but it's such a fascinating thing because it's something we did for one of your old books, Glenn, many, many years ago.

Yeah, I know.

And I remember thinking when we came up with that, I had never seen the analysis anywhere before, and we did it based on poverty, not on danger, but very similar analysis.

And I thought that was going to be something that was really going to catch on with Republicans, where they would make the argument that, hey, we've tried this.

This is something that's happened.

You guys have tried this for 50 years without a Republican in many of these cities and had nothing but depressing failure for half a century.

Maybe it's time to try something else.

Detroit was the city of the future in 1960.

I mean, it was America's most prosperous city.

And yeah, the automobile industry took a beating, but

not as much as the city did.

I mean, the city has just died in corruption corruption and violence.

I mean, it's just horrible in Detroit.

Yeah.

And one of the more difficult things to do when it comes to this sort of analysis, as we had to do many years ago, is, I think you've pointed it out.

There was

20 mayors.

One of them is a Republican.

I believe two are independents.

However, there are a lot of non-partisan elections around the country where there aren't party representation.

So these quote-unquote independents that run these countries, companies, excuse me, cities, are almost entirely Democrats.

When you go and check out, like, they ran as Democrats, they were in a state senate as a Democrat, they were Democrats throughout their entire life, and then they just went independent for the mayoral election because there aren't parties in that particular election.

So, it winds up being that the percentages are even worse than usually they're discussed.

And you just think at some point you want to try anything different because what they're trying now isn't working.

Yep.

All right, that's on Stu Do's Big City Mayors, I think, which is a weird

film that I don't don't want to see, but have stood on in blaze.

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