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Glenn Patton Stew, for Glenn, who is on vacation this week.

You know, it makes perfect sense that when

somebody dies at the hand of a police officer in Minneapolis, you burn down an AutoZone location, right?

You set fire to AutoZone, and then that sets everything right.

Yeah, I mean, I'm not an expert on police violence per se, but I do know that most of it is caused by auto parts.

Yeah.

That's my understanding of the situation.

Well, auto parts and then, you know, strip malls.

Huge.

How many of us hate strip malls?

And so you got to burn those down.

And then you have to steal TVs from Target.

Well, they need to be rescued.

Those TVs needed to be rescued.

They've been held hostage by Target

for far too long.

Yeah.

And who's saying anything about it?

Nobody.

Nobody.

You know, I mean, we were all on the same page, I think.

Weren't we?

That's where I started the day, too.

We were kind of on the same page.

Yeah.

A really huge injustice happened, a real awful tragedy, a despicable act by that cop who, yes, should be charged with some form of murder.

I agree with you, and I think he will be.

I can't imagine him not being.

Mayor's called for it.

I mean, they can't just

no-bill the guy now.

They've already fired him, so he's obviously done something wrong, and they know that.

So he's going to be charged, I would imagine, sometime very soon.

Once the investigation is over, then they're going to charge somebody with something and maybe all four of them being accessories.

I don't know.

But okay, so we're there.

I don't know anybody who said, no, that looked like it was fine to me.

I've never heard anybody say that.

And we should stop and emphasize that point for a second.

I know of...

No one.

No one.

Who made a case for the officers in the story?

I don't think so either.

There may be somebody.

I'm sure there's people on Twitter, right?

I mean, I'm sure there are individuals in the world who have done it.

I'm sure.

I haven't seen it.

If

you know,

is David Duke saying, you know what, maybe this should have happened?

Maybe.

I don't know.

There could be somebody out there.

I'm not saying there are literally zero people, but I have heard literally zero people make the case for the officers in this situation.

Right.

And I, but what is so clear about this is it has nothing to do with what happened.

Going and rioting and taking technology.

Has nothing to do with it.

It has nothing to do with it.

You're not helping the cause.

You're not doing it for the man who died.

Nope.

I mean, it's just, it is

a pathetic response to a tragic situation.

And what does this do to your community?

What does this do to the poor single mom trying to support her children who now can't get anything at Target?

You know, like, it's very central to your life.

It's very central to my life, for sure, Target.

But it's central to your life.

If you're in a community where you're looking to try to find things at good prices and in plentiful supply, now that place is gone.

Your car breaks down.

You need to fix it.

That place is gone.

You know, gas stations are now gone.

If you need gas to get out of this place that's on fire, that's gone.

What good does this do?

And what does it do to your community long term?

If I were to say to you right now, Pat, hey, I'm moving to Ferguson.

What would you say?

Everyone would say like, whoa, really?

Is it okay?

Like,

now, Ferguson may be much, much better than it was, but everyone thinks of Ferguson.

They think of riots.

When you think of Watts,

riots, right?

Like these places, you damage your community for decades going forward by doing things like that.

Essentially forever.

Yeah.

The Watts riots happened in 1967 or 68.

And we're still talking.

We're still mentioning them.

Yeah.

Right?

I mean, Los Angeles, we joked about it at the beginning of the show.

You know, you go to certain areas of Los Angeles that are famous for this.

for these events, and that's what people think of.

How do property values rise for people in the future?

What dumb business puts their business back in this area for a few years?

Why, why on earth, if your target would you

now?

Minneapolis, target is from Minneapolis, isn't it?

Isn't it?

No, I think it is, yeah.

Um, so they've had locations all over the place, but like, you know, if you're a small business, you're gonna open up and you have a choice between that neighborhood that was just set on fire or a neighborhood three miles down the road, six miles down the road.

Where are you going?

Where are you going?

I'm going down the road.

Yeah.

I mean, without without question and it's what for what and i'd like to say oh well you know what the there are people that will say look they're very angry this is a tragic situation all of that can be true you know what 99 of people didn't act that way the people who went out there and stole televisions did it to benefit themselves financially period

they don't that has nothing to do with this guy who was killed it is taking advantage of a crisis it's never letting a good crisis go to waste

that's what they've learned and that's what they're doing did you see the footage inside of this target?

We should show that because it's

Beirut.

Yeah.

You know,

I don't even know

how this can happen.

You know, and you go down the area where an auto zone is on fire, and

the fire department's not coming.

If they come,

they're getting shot at, and they're getting things thrown at them.

We saw this, at least with the police.

At one point, there's a guy laying down on the ground.

A police officer stops to help help him, and they knock his windows in, so he has to pull away.

The hell are you doing?

Like, I'm not saying there's rational decision-making being made here.

Obviously, there's not.

But this is, it's the type of ridiculous nonsense in a moment, Pat, where we're all in the moment of like, we like puppies.

We like ice cream.

Everybody agrees on this topic, right?

We're all in the same place.

This is a terrible thing.

The police were in the wrong.

Somebody should be charged with

charging some form of murder or whatever.

Decide that is second degree, negligent homicide, whatever.

Again, I'm not a lawyer, but I mean, whatever it is, to my eye, certainly that's what it was.

They need to be held accountable

judiciously.

Yeah.

And we have a system to deal with this.

And it's being dealt with, by the way.

Right.

This is not one of those situations where these guys are still working.

They're still out on shifts.

It's not like the police department is saying, oh, these guys didn't do anything wrong.

I haven't even heard the police department defend them.

Nope.

They didn't even, they were just following procedure.

Nope, none of that.

They're not saying any of it.

None of it.

So what are you doing?

Oh, you're just messing up your community.

That's what you're doing.

You're destroying your community.

Yeah, Glenn always used to.

And the goodwill.

Yeah, exactly.

Because Glenn used to

make this point all the time when we would go out on these marches and stuff for issues that we thought were important.

And his case was always: we need to be basically perfect.

When we did the rally in Washington, D.C., the idea was no signs.

Don't bring any signs to the rally in Washington, D.C., restoring honor.

Why?

Because if one person's going to have a sign that's distasteful, it's going to be the only thing covering.

Yeah, you're afraid that somebody's going to do something goofy.

Yeah.

Somebody's going to have the wrong kind of sign.

And then that's all people will focus on.

Pick up your trash.

Well, that's what's happened now.

We said, pick up your trash because we wanted to show that we could leave that place cleaner than when we got there.

Right?

And this goes back to, this is not some right-wing tactic.

This is something that Martin Luther King

focused on all the time, saying that, you know, if we want to win, we have to show we're on the right side of this.

So when we're being attacked by police, don't let them get a freeze frame of us fighting back.

Right.

It was to that extreme.

You know, and you're not going to help your cause by burning down a freaking target.

How is this possibly something that has to be said?

I don't know.

I don't know.

And you know what?

I keep coming to the same conclusion.

It's not about helping the cost.

What, yes.

The people who did those things last night are out there to help themselves.

They want free crap.

They know the police are not going to arrest them.

So they're just stealing things.

Yes.

Period.

Yes.

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You know, it's just really disappointing

and really

despicable to just burn down your community when this kind of stuff happens.

And you lose all the goodwill that was...

I mean, again,

I think we were all pretty much on the same page.

Every reasonable human being, right and left.

And how many things can we get together on?

Yeah.

Right and left.

We can't even decide on a virus on the right and left.

We're completely separated on that.

It surprises me how many people are pro-virus, honestly.

I know.

I know.

So here we are, all agreeing this was a despicable act by these four cops, and especially the one who had his knee in the guy's throat and suffocated him to death.

Despicable and wrong.

And he should be in prison after he has his due process.

And so, maybe should the other three for not doing a thing about it.

So, we're all there.

And then, this, and then you just go, what are you doing?

What are you doing?

How does this help?

And the problem is, the honesty

in many places is not going to extend.

Where everybody who is, I'm a huge defender of the police.

It is rare that I don't see their side of it, even if I don't think they did the right thing.

I can understand.

I've had relatives who uh who were you know officers and i know what their families feel yeah when they're out and and they don't come home until late at night and they realize they were on some crazy case or some crazy thing happened and they realize they while they were asleep they might have lost their husband or lost their father like the the stresses of that job are intense

And sometimes things happen that are not as easily explained as the media wants it to be.

Well, a white cop does something to a black person.

They'll show these numbers, like, oh, did you know the police have killed this many people?

Yeah, start looking at those cases.

What you're going to find is about 98% of them are completely justified.

Many of them are weapons pointed at the officer when it happens.

So, like, you can't just throw that stuff out there and make this into some

endemic situation.

It's not.

There is not an

overwhelming case to be made that there is some ridiculous high level of violence by police officers towards African Americans.

No, the fact that statistics just do not.

They kill more white people than black people.

They do.

And we've seen this.

Every way you look at this, you find the same thing.

To the point of even black officers are more likely

to get in these situations

when it comes to situations where there is a shooting going on.

A lot of times, black officers are the ones who are there.

And I think it's right around the same percentage as white officers.

If there was a big racism problem, you'd think the white officers would be doing it at a much higher rate.

There doesn't seem to be a difference in the rate.

The point of that,

that's a separate, larger conversation.

But we should all be able to agree on this basic point, which is this particular case, it looks like there was something very wrong.

Justice should be served here.

And at the end of that,

there's that conversation that can be had as to why these situations sometimes happen and why they're reacted to in this way, right?

It's not just the situation happening because look, there are murders that happen all the time in this country.

You know,

there was people were posting, you know, one of the only defense I've seen at all,

and I'll put defense in air quotes of this situation is people are posting other murders where a other situations where black cops have killed white people in similar situations recently that you never knew about, right?

And, like, is that true?

Yeah.

There's also, by the way, other examples of white cops killing black people that you don't hear about.

Some of these things just break through, right?

The video is probably the biggest reason for this one breaking through.

Yeah.

But like, there's no case to be made that you can take this and broaden it to a giant group, like officers, like black people, like white people.

You know,

that is what is wrong here.

And instead of that being something that we can kind of agree on, which is sort of basic logic, it's nothing advanced.

Instead,

we have people setting communities on fire.

And who's being punished by this?

You know, I don't know where the police officers lived, but I doubt they lived there.

Yeah.

You know, so who's getting punished?

The people who are the victims.

It is insanity.

Insanity.

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Just a side note here, real quick: the Dow

is at 27, no, 25,731 right now.

It's going back almost to 26,000.

It's incredible.

It was at 29,000 when this started.

It went all the way down to 18,000 something.

And now already it's rebound to almost 26,000.

It's amazing.

It's amazing the roller coaster ride on the stock exchange right now.

A lot of people focus on the fact that they seem disconnected.

the economy in general with people another 2 million unemployed today.

Oh, yeah, that's 2.1.

I think it was 2.1 today, which is the lowest number of this situation.

It's about 40 million people in 10 weeks.

Right.

40 million.

This has been going on for 10 weeks.

The first week was, I think it was just partially ramping up.

So the first one, I kind of don't count.

But in nine weeks, it's been about, you know, right around 40 million people.

And this is the lowest in that nine-week span.

That's the good news.

The bad news is it's the ninth highest in U.S.

history.

Yeah, and it's still five times higher than the highest month, right?

The highest highest was 800,000.

So almost three times higher.

And that was just for like one month during the Great Recession.

So that, what's the disconnect there?

The disconnect actually, I think, is good news in this particular case in that the stock market is predicting what the future is going to be.

They're not predicting what, they're not saying, hey, we see all these people unemployed.

They, of course, see that.

But the people whose money is on the line believe this is going to bounce back at some point.

Yeah.

Right.

They're very optimistic.

I just don't, when I see this government money running running out, and it's going to run out at some point, guys, it's not going to go forever.

Not as long as the printing machines are plugged in.

Stupid, we could, you spend all you want.

We'll print more.

Really?

Yeah.

Oh, okay.

Well, it's like lazy potato chips.

Eat all you want.

We'll just make more.

That's what we're doing with our monetary system right now.

It is.

It's really wonderful.

And it really is.

There's no chance that it stops before November.

There's no chance.

It's probably true.

We've got a presidential election going on.

No one's going to step in and say, by the way, all the money is cut off.

Like, that's not going to happen at least until November.

But eventually it will have to be.

It has to be cut off.

It's not going to be a good thing.

Because what have we ⁇ we've increased our debt

$5 trillion

in two months.

Oh, my gosh.

$5 trillion.

We've gone from $20 to $25 trillion in two months.

And that's completely unsustainable.

And that's more than what, the first couple hundred years of our republic behind?

What is the thing?

It took from George Washington to Ronald Reagan to get a trillion in debt, and then it took from Reagan to Obama to get 10 trillion in debt, and now it's taken from Obama to Trump to go another 15 trillion in debt

in the last, what, 11 years?

And there's really no insane.

We should be honest about this point.

There is no party fighting for that.

at this point.

No, that's right.

Republican, Democrat, neither one cares.

They don't care.

Now, at some level, right at this moment, I can understand it, right?

In the middle of a pandemic, when you're telling people they can't go to work, this is the time you're supposed to be able to bridge these caps.

The problem is when you're $20 trillion in debt at the start of it, it's a lot harder to do.

Let's just say we had this crazy libertarian version where

let's say we're half a trillion dollars in debt and a pandemic hits.

Think of how much easier it would be to deal with these things.

We could go $5 trillion in debt and not even care.

But instead, we are already at the brink.

Now we've had to push ourselves past the brink.

And we know the future, there's more coming.

How do you deal with this over a long period of time?

You don't.

I mean, you frankly don't, unless you're going to modern monetary theory, which is where we've decided to apparently just experiment and see what happens.

Hey, look, I know.

And it's pretty good policy when you think about it.

Just keep printing forever.

Yeah.

With no repercussions whatsoever.

It's really good.

You know, because we don't even, you throw these numbers, numbers around now, and we're so cavalier about it.

Yeah, it's another trillion dollars in debt.

It doesn't even phase us anymore.

It's like saying, Yeah, uh, I just borrowed ten dollars uh from a friend, yeah, now I'll pay it back.

That's the way it's discussed, it's the way it's discussed now.

But when you put it into perspective a little bit and think about a trillion, just one trillion.

Uh, if you count backward uh to a

million seconds ago, it would have been 12 days, a million seconds.

One billion seconds, a billion seconds is 31 years.

Jeez.

One trillion seconds is 31,000 BC.

That's how big a stinking trillion is.

Incomprehensibly.

We don't even consider it.

No.

We don't even think about it.

Remember, remember the fights we had over $780 billion

for the stimulus and for Obamacare?

Yeah.

We passed these things things

without even votes.

We're passing multiple trillion dollar bills now.

It's insanity.

Nobody, I mean, where are the libertarians here saying,

excuse me?

I think they're saying it just no one listens to them anymore.

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The whole thing, though?

All of it?

Yeah.

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Yeah.

Just so don't cover every which way.

Don't burn down a target just because Glenn's not here today.

You know, or a Walmart for that matter.

Yeah, that's true.

Any big box store should not be

lit on fire.

And I'm somewhat averse to burning down an AutoZone as well.

What about an O'Reilly Auto Parts?

You know,

I'm almost.

No, I'm going to say it.

Don't do that either.

Wow.

Yeah, don't do that.

That's either.

Napa?

No.

Napa, you think?

No?

No.

Wow.

I know.

I don't know.

This is an incredibly tough stand.

You know, know, that's not a hot take coming from Pat.

He's thought that one through.

That's an important.

Yeah.

Yeah.

There was a time in my life when I didn't care that much about the Napa auto parts, but now I do.

Now you do.

As I've gotten older, I've decided, no, that's not a good idea.

It's so frustrating.

And like,

you just want,

you want to be able to get through these things in a way that is, that actually helps people.

Like, it would be nice to take something out of this where this should not happen again.

And we should point out the fact that one of the reasons that we know about this stuff is because of the technology that, you know, that you're burning down at the target.

They have an electronics section where they sell phones and the fact that those are distributed to even people who don't, not of means, people who don't have tons of cash now have this incredible device in their pocket.

And they are able to record these things.

And I will say too, from everything I understand, the police had body cameras on too.

Yeah, they did.

Fascinating about this.

And they were activated.

They thought this would go for them.

One of the things that baffles me the most, because not only did they know their body cams are on, they see the bystanders recording them as they're doing this stuff.

And like we said yesterday, even if it's just for your own self-preservation, even if you want to keep, you know, you just want to keep your career and you don't care about this poor man, you're suffocating to death.

Don't you care about your own well-being after this?

And they disregarded all of that.

I mean, when the guy stops moving, especially, you don't even stop to check his pulse and make sure he's okay.

I don't even understand that.

How do you not, at least when the guy completely stops moving and doesn't seem to be breathing, and everybody's telling you, at least check his pulse.

Nope, you just sit there, you sit there with your knee in his throat for the next four minutes, even after that.

It's unreal.

incomprehensible.

I feel in some ways as I do when hearing Governor Northam talk about how after a baby is born, it's the mom and dad's choice as to whether they give it any help.

Yeah.

You know, like that, it's that type of thing where you have a person

who has no chance of life unless you help them.

And you sit there and you, in this case, make it worse.

In Northam's case, same thing, right?

Like, you're ending a life that should continue.

And this is in a case, forget the abortion debate for a second.

This is someone who's already been born.

This is why conservatives were so pissed off about that.

And like the left's like, well, come on, this is the women's right to choose.

To choose to kill their kid after it's born?

No, you don't get that right to choose.

That's got nothing to do with women's choice.

Right.

It's got nothing to do with it.

And this is a situation here where this, like, look.

I am much more likely to see the police officer's side.

That has nothing to do with color.

That has to do with, I believe, generally speaking, the police are good people.

And I could butt up with a lot of my more hardcore libertarian friends who don't see it that way.

It's not a race thing.

A lot of libertarians see

violence from police officers as a really

large-scale problem.

And I tend to think that, generally speaking, they're justified.

After going over the individual cases,

the general perception I get is that most of these things wind up being misconstrued for purposes like power and

racial dynamics and all these things that get played up by

whoever the new Al Sharpton is.

And so I understand that that all happens.

But looking at this one, it's so obvious.

I have literally not seen anyone.

Usually you at least see, I didn't see any case.

I didn't see many defenses of the Ahmad Arbery situation from a couple of weeks ago either.

But I think a couple of people at least attempted that one.

This one is just, it's a wasteland.

There's nobody defending these actions.

Nobody.

Eventually, maybe we'll get a case from the police officers that makes it a little bit more muddy, especially maybe one of the people who were there and didn't stop it.

Maybe they have some.

I can't, I don't know what it could be.

Yeah, it's hard.

I mean, it's hard to imagine any kind of defense for those guys.

They say he was resisting arrest at some point.

Yeah.

And maybe when he was yanked out of the car, he was resisting somewhat.

I saw that video, too, now,

yesterday or the day before, where, you know, they seem to struggle a little bit to get him out of the car.

But then they show multiple times where he's completely complying with everything they say and do to him.

Yeah.

And really,

it doesn't matter, period, when it comes to

how difficult it was to get him into that position.

Once he is in that position, leave him alone.

At least you don't.

You certainly don't do what they did.

You know, you at least, least, again, I can understand saying, like, he's a big guy.

He could get up.

He could do things.

That's all true, but that doesn't mean you do this.

Put him in the squad car.

That's what these things are.

Pick him up and put him in the back of the vehicle till you wait for the medical services to roll around.

Yeah, and frankly, like,

let's just say this was a situation where this guy tried to resist a lot.

He may have punched an officer,

all of these things, and he was a real problem.

In that case, I'm going to be relatively sympathetic to an officer who beats the crap out of the guy, for lack of a better framing.

You know, like,

I'm not saying like after he's subdued, you beat the crap out of him.

But if there's an altercation that happens, the police officer is completely justified in defending himself and subduing the person on the other side of that.

That was not.

the case here in any way.

And a lot of times the background of this winds up being, well, he had this legal problem.

Here he is being arrested seven years ago for X, Y, and Z.

And all that stuff is

irrelevant in this case.

Think of our

military.

These guys go into areas where they're arresting ISIS people who are on video lighting Christians on fire in cages.

who have murdered people they know.

And in almost all cases, what happens?

If they were to subdue them, they're not doing.

Remember, it was a big scandal when they did naked pyramids around them.

When they put, they had dogs barking at them.

The entire nation

was in uproar.

Why?

Because when we get to a position, at least in our country, when we get to a position where the person is subdued, we do not continue to beat the crap out of them and to kill them.

That's just not what we do here.

It happens all over the world.

It doesn't happen here.

That's not part of our culture.

And it's something that we all stand up against to the point of when with these military guys with every justification to just put a gun to the guy's head and pull the trigger, every justification when you're talking about ISIS or al-Qaeda or one of these groups.

And they don't do it because they are expected to have an immense, almost inhuman amount of restraint.

And that's so that the argument of that this guy may have, and we haven't even seen that with this guy really, but if there was an argument that he had done other things in the past or there was more resisting at a previous moment in this altercation, that's just not material to what you see on this video.

This is why I can't even come up with a justification.

I cannot come up with an argument for the police on this one.

I can't.

And like you've said, we've defended the police on so many occasions.

I mean, the hands-up, don't shoot thing, which didn't even happen.

The guy wasn't saying, hands up, don't shoot.

My hands are up, don't shoot.

He was coming at the police officer trying to attack him at the time which is why we oppose those sorts of movements because they were based on fallacy yep this one we agree with you it was terrible it was tragic it was uncalled for the guy's a criminal and what happens from here because you're right what's going to happen is we're all going to basically ignore this immassive amount of common ground that we have on the story yeah and instead we are going to go to another part of the story, which we should have the equal amount of common ground on.

Every left-wing leader, every black leader, everybody in Black Lives Matter should steal this

at the top of their lungs.

These bastards for screwing up

what we should be focusing on, which is this guy's life.

Instead, they're stealing televisions from Target.

But what will happen is conservatives will come out and say, you know what, that's wrong.

And the left, you will have large chunks of people who will say, well, you know what, that's justified because you don't understand what the pressures of this and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

It's the only thing they have to factor in.

It's the only means they have to express themselves.

No, it's not.

No, it is not.

I'm sorry.

Stealing a television.

I've heard that argument.

Yeah.

It's not expression.

No, no, it is not.

It's not expression.

That's not free speech.

No, we've come to the point where we're calling porn free speech, but stealing a television is not free speech.

Can't go with you there.

Mike in Colorado, you're on the Glenn Beck program with patents, too.

Hey, good morning, fellas.

Thanks for taking my call up.

And sorry if I sound a little muffled.

I have to work with a mask on.

So

I got a couple of thoughts about the stuff that happened last night.

One thing is, I don't think there's a darn person that was at those riots last night that's listening to the show this morning.

Unfortunately, how dare you?

You bastard.

But not much of a leap there.

You're probably right.

Yeah.

But what there is was all day yesterday and even so far today are a lot of the black leaders that you just spoke of kind of adding fuel to that fire, saying that it's time we get ours.

It's time we light this MF up, and a lot of stuff that's incredibly incendiary, where it could be the message that you just spoke of: hey, this sets us back.

It sets us back even further in this cause

and

use that energy a little more effectively.

Yeah, that's

tragic.

It's a great point.

Yeah, and I will say, Mike,

you know, he's completely right on that.

First of all, I will say the, like, for example, the elderly elderly woman in the wheelchair that was beaten in the middle of the rally, she might be a listener.

So, if you're a listener, feel free to call.

We'd love to hear from you if you can speak.

And I will say that, you know, there is, that is true.

We are seeing some of that out there.

It's a terrible instinct, a terrible instinct.

This has to be

pushed down.

You know, we, and I will say this too:

COVID-19 has been tragic.

The mask thing, if we we have muffled calls on talk shows, that's completely unacceptable.

As a nation, we need to rise up and burn down every target in America until there are no more masked phone calls on talk shows.

That's a joke, and don't do it.

Because I realize I could see myself.

How in illegal proceeds?

You have to say that.

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Pat, you're talking about an issue with Michael Jordan's documentary.

Yeah, Michael Jordan said on his documentary, The Last Dance, that he didn't keep Isaiah Thomas on.

If you're not familiar with the Michael Jordan, Isaiah Thomas dynamic, they hate each other.

They're not friends.

Jordan definitely hates Thomas.

Thomas seems a little bit more restrained.

Right.

And I don't know if it stems from the

competition they had with the pistons and the balls or where it comes from.

But

Jordan

does not like him.

And that's pretty clear.

And when he talks about him on the documentary, it's pretty clear.

But what he said was he did not have anything to do with Isaiah Thomas not being included on the 1992 Dream Team?

Hmm.

We got a little audio here that might lead you to believe something else.

Here is Michael Jordan talking about speaking with Rod Thorne,

who

was

one of the higher-ups in the decision makers in the process of deciding who was on the dream team.

Listen to this.

They called me to ask me to play.

Who I was going to call and say,

I won't play with Isaiah Isaiah Thomas.

So he's saying, they called me to ask how I would feel about Isaiah Thomas being on the dream team.

And he said, I won't play if he's on the team.

Here's true.

He said, you know what?

Chuck doesn't want Isaiah.

So Isaiah is not going to be a part of the team.

So again, it's a little hard to understand because it's not great quality.

But he said, Rod Thorne called me.

I said, Rod, I won't play if Isaiah Thomas is on the team.

He assured me.

He said, you know what?

Chuck doesn't want Isaiah either.

So Isaiah is not going to be part of the team

well I mean that does sort of back up what he said right which was that it it wasn't his decision right it wasn't about him doing it if Chuck if the coach doesn't want the guy and the coach is the guy who was coaching Isaiah Thomas Chuck Chuck Dane was his coach although would they have put Isaiah Thomas on the team if Michael Jordan didn't didn't object my guess is yes well I think they would but what at least what his case is there is that Thorne was saying the answer to that was no.

Maybe.

Yeah, maybe.

I mean, they were saying that

maybe they had a dynamic.

I mean, look, these teams fight.

You know, the famously, Jordan fought with his general manager.

It's very possible that, you know, the coach and Isaiah Thomas didn't get along then, and neither one of them wanted them on.

I mean, it certainly didn't help Isaiah Thomas get on the team, but Jordan didn't want him on the team.

You could also maybe make the case that they didn't need him on the team either.

It did pretty well.

Kind of worked out

without Isaiah Thomas on the team.

Speaker Michael Jordan.

Where'd you get that from?

LeBronJames.com?

All right.

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So

the parades for the 100,000 death mark have been happening in the mainstream media.

That's a hell of a way to put it.

Yes.

I mean,

they love that number.

They love it.

And because why they can beat Trump over the head with it?

I think that's the full reasoning behind it.

Yeah, they are treating it a little bit like the bicentennial, which is not the

shouldn't feel like that.

No, I don't think it should either.

That's the only reason, though, I can come up with, right?

I mean,

they do seem to just think, well, this looks bad for Trump because, and again, there's a lot of question marks associated with this argument because it doesn't make any sense.

Trump has not led every part of this.

It is a state-by-state response.

There have been some things you can be critical of.

There would be a lot of things I think you can also look at and say have gone pretty well.

We're in the middle of the pack worldwide when it comes to per capita death rate.

We're not at the bottom.

We're not at the top.

You know, we didn't do as well as countries that have authoritarian regimes and can just lock all their people away and lie

about the real thing.

You can do a lot of people.

Does anybody believe China has around 5,000 deaths from this?

I'm pleased.

That's preposterous.

Oh, preposterous.

And even that, remember, it was only 3,000 a little while ago.

And then they're like, oh, yeah, we're adding a couple thousand.

You know, like, we all know it's higher, right?

Even if you were to argue, they locked down so hard that they were able to control it within their borders.

In the time in between when people

left, there were breakouts outside of the country.

People were coming back in.

There would be, it's quite clear.

And there have been estimates of tens of thousands more.

You know, it's funny you mentioned China because I had this thought yesterday because we were talking about Brazil on Studas America.

By the way, you can subscribe to that on YouTube or on a podcast, also Pat Gray Unleashed.

I was looking at Brazil and we were doing something on that.

Brazil is basically the hot point of the world right now.

You know, the United States is on a decline.

We're opening up.

We're doing these things.

Brazil is where we were in like the second week of April.

You know, the absolute like increasing every day.

They actually passed us in daily death rate two days ago.

Although

we took the title, took the title back yesterday.

And we have a lot more people than they do.

You'd expect it to be slightly higher, but they're in real trouble.

And they don't have the medical system that we do.

They think there's already 30,000 people who have died there.

They believe it's much, much, much higher than that in reality.

And I thought to myself, it's weird that the global hotspot would be Brazil.

And yet, I hadn't heard anything about Venezuela.

Now, Venezuela can barely keep people alive in normal times.

They're not getting any effects from this at all.

What is going on?

And so I started doing some research on it, and there's actually a new report out from Johns Hopkins about Venezuela.

How many do they claim that have died from the virus?

So they have a population of 30 million people.

Right.

So far, COVID-19 deaths in Venezuela, 10.

10 deaths.

Just 10, not 10,000.

Not 10 million.

10.

10.

10 people died.

10 people have died so far.

They're doing a pretty good job.

They must be doing a great job, right?

Not lying to us or just letting people die and never figuring it out.

So

they say they've only had 1,121 cases, which is, I mean, obviously ridiculous, right?

We all know that that's ridiculous.

They've decided now to go in.

They've talked to the doctors on the ground.

They've tried to do a study to estimate where they actually are.

They believe there are 30,000 more deaths than they're reporting.

Wow.

30,000 more COVID deaths.

Now,

that would make them a massive hotspot.

We have no idea what's happening.

You know, it's interesting when you look at the numbers from around the world.

We are all focusing on numbers of countries that are relatively toward the

top of the economic chain, that have well-developed health systems, that are reporting their data.

I mean, China is an exception because of the authoritarian nature.

of their government, but there are a lot of countries out there that are reporting their data, I think, the best way that they can.

The situation is there are two-thirds of the nations on earth that would not fall into that category.

And there's like the entire continent of Africa, what's going on there?

We know we've had outbreaks in specific areas, but there have not been, we have no concept of what's going on there.

There are some reasons to believe it's not as bad in a situation like that because people are spread out naturally, and there's some things that could play into that.

But, you know, you look at some

of the cities, they're very jam-packed.

You know, I believe it was in India where they were saying, one of the doctors in India was saying, look, social distancing, we know it sucks for you, but like, that's a luxury.

We all, we have like eight people in this room, there's no social distancing that happens.

Yeah, we can't, we don't, we're not going to get a trillion-dollar bailout from our government.

We're just going to wind up having to deal with this on our own.

And those, a lot, some of those places have really flared up out of control for understandable reasons.

They already had problems in these countries, and this is just making it a lot worse.

But the our

um when we passed, I think it was Spain Spain in daily death count.

Spain was number one, and then we came up and passed them.

That was something that was going on the front page of papers.

That was something that was discussed by the media like crazy.

This is horrific, and we know whose fault it is.

It's the orange guy in the White House.

And when that reversed and it was Brazil,

it was either not mentioned at all, which was in most cases, or they said Brazil passed us.

By the way, their president is basically Donald Trump because they like to say that about the Brazilian president.

He's very well aligned with Donald Trump.

He's a populist like Donald Trump.

He's doing the same things Donald Trump is doing.

So how these stories, it's incredible.

They find a way to tie them to Donald Trump in every way.

And to go back quickly to what we were talking about last hour, you know who hasn't really been tied to the story yet?

It's Donald Trump.

Why?

He yesterday made a statement.

that said the DOJ and the FBI or whatever, I think it was, he said the DOJ,

was investigating this and we will get justice.

That's been his only comment about it.

So his comment has not been able to advance the narrative that he's horrible.

So therefore, he's just not associated with the story yet.

When he says something out of line with what he's supposed to say, he will become the only story.

If he said nothing yesterday,

it would be a big story today of why is the president silent on this death?

Well, the banner on CNN all morning long up until

I don't think it's there right now.

Yeah, but the U.S.

surpasses 100,000 deaths in less than four months.

That is the banner.

The banner they had most of two hours while I was on the air this morning was Trump silent as 100,000 plus Americans die from coronavirus.

Wait, wait, he's been talking about this constantly.

He was doing press conferences every day.

It didn't start with 100,000.

He's been commenting all along.

Unbelievable.

And I guess you have to comment every round number we hit now or something.

But

do you know there are 600,000 people that die from cancer every single year?

And heart disease, too, right?

And heart disease and car accidents.

And I guess it doesn't, those people don't matter at all because you're not asking him to comment on that.

No.

Is it worse if you die from coronavirus than if you die from cancer?

No.

Are you super dead from coronavirus and only mostly dead with

cancer?

I mean, there are different problems, right?

You know, you're not necessarily going to go in and catch cancer at a restaurant.

I understand the differences here.

And look, this has been four months, so the pace is high.

Yeah.

And it spreads.

It's an infectious disease.

This is different than all these comparisons.

But you're right.

It is not something that is put into perspective by the media.

He's talked about it.

They were complaining he was talking about it too much in the press conferences.

Remember that?

That was a big story.

So they're not even covering the press conference, which he stopped doing, and then they were pissed about that.

Then they were pissed about that.

That's the issue here.

This is just a tool for them.

It's not just a tool for them, but it's the way they're utilizing it.

Yeah.

It is a, I, you know, it's a real issue, but they do not, they don't seem to care about the issue as much as they care about getting this guy.

This guy who's in their head all the time.

They got to get him out of their head.

If they could just get him out of office, he'll be out of their head forever.

I swear that's the way they look at these stories every day.

No doubt about it.

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This South America thing is pretty interesting because you've got these countries that are, you know, fairly close to each other and handling things

completely differently.

Like Jair Bolsonaro, the president of Brazil, has, and this is why they love to compare him to Trump because they think he's, I mean, this guy is so far beyond anything Donald Trump does to make people angry.

He was asked by a reporter a couple of weeks ago about the death toll.

And because the reporter said the death toll was, I don't remember what, I think it was 5,000 at the time.

Do you know if 5,000 people have died from coronavirus?

Bolsonaro's response was, so what?

It's not so what?

They They don't teach you that in the politicians' handbook.

No, they really don't.

And then he went on to say, I'm sorry.

What do you want me to do about it?

Well,

that may not be the best response to that question.

I always want to continue your presidency.

If you work for a crisis PR firm, they may say, probably don't do that one.

Actually, that was one of the stories yesterday.

They think Bolsonaro might be the first

leader to go down because of this.

Yeah, they're talking about removing him from office.

Yeah.

I mean, I mean, look, he's been, there's been a lot of this that's gone on, particularly in South America,

where the leader has been very bold and just said, you know what, I'm going out and I'm going to have rallies and I'm not going to wear a mask and I'm going to shake everybody's hands and kiss everybody like I normally do and nothing's going to change and you should do that too.

And we say, like, Ecuador, for example, has had a flare-up that's worse than almost any city in the earth.

The one city that they had, their really bad outbreak was worse than almost every city on earth.

You know, you have Brazil was really, is really, really bad.

Mexico's had its problems.

And again, we know as you go down the economic scale, the less reporting you're getting on these numbers.

You're getting less and less accurate numbers.

And that's what's happening right now.

I still worry, and this is something that I have not heard too many people talk about, but as this situation with not just COVID-19 as a virus, but also the economic ramifications attached to it, as that settles in and people are ready and willing to go back out of their houses over the next six months,

I really worry about the border.

We have all of these countries that were already coming across the border when things were normal.

If their society is ravaged from economic deficits because of this and not to mention potential massive outbreaks of virus, They're going to want to get their kids, their families across the border into this country where we're just doling out trillions of dollars to help everybody.

Won't it be interesting to see the Democrats' reaction to that too when that if that happens, and it will happen, whether they care then about people coming across the border and we don't know who they are, we don't know where they're going, we don't know where they've been, and we don't know what kind of diseases they're carrying with them.

Exactly.

Will it matter to you then?

Or...

I mean, you can't quarantine millions of people, hundreds of thousands of people coming across the border.

We saw how that went when we had a bunch of people crossing a couple of years ago.

That was the whole kids in cages situation, which was not happening but still that was that was the that was that big controversy imagine that and throwing an infectious disease like picture you're from a city that's having an outbreak uh like the city in ecuador i was just talking about

what are you going to do you're going to try to get the hell away from there right and then even if we are able to push this down and and get rid of the virus so it's not a huge part of our everyday life if people are coming across the border from infected places it's not going to matter we're It's going to start all over again.

Yes.

And

I keep coming back to this.

And I don't know that we've seen massive parts of it yet, largely, I think, because people don't want to go anywhere right now.

But at some point, I think that is a real worry.

Hopefully, it doesn't turn out to be one.

But the border is something that we have not heard a lot of focus on.

And I think if it does become an issue, Trump will be focused on it.

That's one thing you can count on.

Yeah.

So

I just, that is a worry that I think we haven't even started to contemplate yet.

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A good indication of how the media is handling this milestone, the 100,000 death milestone from coronavirus.

Ryan Lizza of Politico, during the White House press conference yesterday

with Kaylee McEnany,

unbelievable question.

Watch what he asks the White House spokesperson.

When voters go to the polls in November and they want to judge the president on his response to this pandemic, what is the number of dead Americans that they should tolerate

and where they can argue that, yes, he successfully defeated the

I think you know you're asking the wrong question.

The right question is where did the data

ask Haley?

So please don't tell me

and I answered your question once, but if you ask it twice, it doesn't make it any better of a question.

So I'll respond in kind.

I've given you one answer.

I'll continue to extrapolate upon that, that he always listened to the science.

The president, when Dr.

Fauci and Dr.

Burke said you need to shut down the economy, that was hard for the president.

You know, in a typical year, 120,000 people die of suicide and drug overdose.

It's in a typical year.

And doctors have said when you shut down an economy for an extended period of time, that number gets greater.

People don't show up for their cancer diagnoses.

There are a litany of results when you close down an economy, but closing down the economy for this amount of time kept us far below the 2.2 million number.

As we start to reopen, we keep in mind the people who are missing their screening appointments, the people who are not, who are succumbing to suicide and drug overdose because of economic hardship.

This president made the right choice.

It was a delicate balance and he did it exactly as he should, guided by data.

And we are far below 2.2 million dead Americans because of the actions of President Trump.

What do you mean?

And that was a charitable response, I think, to Ryan Lizzie.

One of the most blatant, mindless, partisan hack questions you can.

What kind of, what number is going to be acceptable?

Or what he said the first time when he phrased the question, because he asked it twice, just slightly differently.

What will be a successful number for this president to be re-elected?

Well,

I mean, what an asinine question that is.

There is no acceptable number.

Of course not.

And

it's not Donald Trump that's going out and killing these people.

Yeah, no,

it's interesting, too, to see how this has developed over time.

Because at the beginning,

Donald Trump came out on stage and he said,

our models indicate there will be between 100,000 and 240,000 deaths.

if we act.

We're going to try to hold it under that.

We're going to do our best to get it less than that.

But that's what the models show.

And honestly, like I, at the time, was like, 100,000?

That seems impossible.

I did not believe it would get that high, quite frankly.

I didn't neither.

I didn't.

And neither did almost anybody else.

I mean, a lot of people now are claiming that they understood this thing.

It's like you go back and look at the polls.

In March 11th, they did a poll about how many people would die in the United States.

What do you think it is?

They asked American people.

87% of people said it would be less than 10,000.

87%.

We just,

none of us had an idea that it would be like this.

And

that's okay, honestly.

We're not the experts.

It's understandable that we wouldn't understand how bad this would get.

But, you know, look, they came out there and they said 100,000.

I remember thinking like, that's just ridiculous.

It's not going to get to that level.

Well, here we are.

We're at that level.

At the time back then, the left was saying to us, why doesn't he believe?

Why don't you guys believe in science?

The science is saying this is what the models are going to do.

You're going to have 100,000 people dead.

And it's like, well, let's look at the buzz.

Because we tend

on the conservative side to say, come on, like these experts, they're driving me nuts.

They're being alarmist.

Step back for a second and think about this from the scientific left-wing perspective for a second.

Because I think, and you heard Kaylee do it there, I think embracing that analysis is a smart thing politically for the president.

most certainly.

And it's an interesting exercise for us to go through as well.

If you look at this situation as the scientists laid it out, about 2.2 million people were going to die in the United States if we didn't do anything.

Donald Trump stepped up and took unthinkable actions, right?

He basically

closed the economy for six weeks minimum during the election year.

This guy, everybody says all he cares about is his own power.

All he cares about is the economy.

He came in and shut down the United States for six weeks during an election.

He took it that seriously.

And so where do we end up?

It looks like we're going to be right in the original range that he stood on stage and told us about.

So, yes, we'd all like it to be zero deaths.

However, you can make a real argument.

And that would be a successful number.

Yes, that would be the best number.

For Ryan Lizza,

it's a big best number.

Yes.

Which is fascinating.

By the way, I guess Lizza came through his whole Me Too situation, okay?

He's back out as the correspondent, which is, I didn't, I hadn't followed that story, but I guess he, because I know he was let go of the New Yorker for sexual misconduct, but I guess he's been able to

catch back on with, I guess, Politico, I think he's with now.

Yes, he is.

So, yeah, that's, I mean, again, I don't know all the details of that situation, but

not a lot of people on the right have bounced back.

I wonder what would be an acceptable number of sexual harassment cases for Ryan Lizza.

What would you, Ryan, what would you consider successful

in sexually harassing women?

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In addition to the CDC changing its position, again,

on surface infection, Experts are now saying, experts are now saying

the six feet of distance thing, the social distancing must stay six feet away from everybody.

Yeah, that might not be enough either to prevent transmission.

Okay, so there's really nothing we know for sure, right?

There's really nothing that you're absolutely positive on that we can take to the bank and say, okay, if I do this, I'm not going to get it.

It's really amazing, these confusing, mixed signals.

You might remember

also concerning the use of masks and whether or not that was a smart thing.

In February, Surgeon General Jerome Adams tweeted, masks are, quote, not effective in preventing the general public from catching coronavirus.

That was in February.

In March, Dr.

Anthony Fauci said, on 60 Minutes that the general public, quote, should not be walking around with masks.

Hmm.

All right.

In April, when the virus outbreak was worsening in the United States, President Trump recommended the use of cloth face coverings outside the home, but he made that clear that he wouldn't follow that recommendation, and there's no evidence that a cloth mask is effective.

I don't know if there's evidence that any mask is effective.

Maybe a gas mask.

Maybe you can walk around with a World War I-style gas mask, and maybe that would protect you a little bit, but I wouldn't even take that one to the bank

uh it's it's very confusing right now

what we're going through and who to listen to I have no idea

only about half of Americans by the way say they would get a COVID-19 vaccine if scientists who are working furiously to create one even succeed

surprisingly low considering the effort going into the global race for a vaccine against the virus.

but more people might eventually roll up their sleeves and

get into this thing and just create a vaccine.

I mean, we're already doing a Manhattan-style project to develop a vaccine with, I forget how many companies exactly are working on this.

I think the number is somewhere close to 80, 80 different companies that are trying to come up with one.

But this poll that was released this week found 31% of people, 31% of Americans just aren't sure if they'd even get vaccinated.

And another one in five just said absolutely they won't be vaccinated.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on that.

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if there is a vaccine that's developed, I asked this question on Pat Gray and Leashed a couple of weeks ago.

If there is a vaccine developed,

would you be willing to get that vaccine?

You know, there's a lot of people who don't don't like vaccines, who are skeptical of vaccines.

There was the whole movement about whether or not they cause,

you know, autism or other maladies in us, or who knows what they're doing with the vaccine.

People just don't trust the government.

Certainly

don't trust them implicitly.

And many of us don't trust them.

at all because they've proven themselves untrustworthy to us.

How many, I mean, countless times, countless times.

And then the science of it, we're always told the science, believe the science, we're following the science.

Well, the scientists don't even know.

How many times have we seen that over the last several months and gotten conflicting information?

We just went over some of it.

So, if and when a vaccine is there and it is presented to you and it's available,

will you take it?

Now, an interesting

side note to that is

if

they force you to take it, will you take it?

If the U.S.

government mandates that in order to be a citizen in good standing, or maybe they just say in order to commingle with people at work,

you've got to get a vaccine.

Will you then get the vaccine?

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It's an interesting question.

Do I think they're going to mandate it?

I don't think they.

I don't think so.

I think they will.

That's interesting.

I don't think they will.

I think enough people will want to take it that we'll be fine.

We'll be in that herd immunity world anyway.

Well, they mandate it for kids to go to school because they mandate vaccines already.

If you don't have, if you're not caught up on your vaccine, sorry, the kids can't come to school.

With the addendum at the end of that being to go to school.

I don't think they would mandate it in that you have to have it, but I think they will say to go to public school,

you'll have to carry it.

What about to go to work?

If you want to go into work around your fellow employees, you got to get a vaccine.

I think a bunch of companies will say if you're not going to be

companies, that's a different deal.

Yeah.

I don't think the...

You don't think government will do that?

I don't.

I think if, you know, look, if you look at the flu vaccine, right,

we hit about 50% of people hit the flu, have the flu, but it's still killing a bunch of people every year.

Yeah.

But there is a, you know, when there's an option for you to be vaccinated, and it's not perfectly effective at all, but it is one of those things where people, you know, about half the country takes it.

They don't mandate that.

It's possible.

Does that high 50% get the flu vaccine?

It's about half, yeah.

It's about half the country.

Now, if you could get, look,

it depends on how good this vaccine is.

If it comes out and we believe, right, that it is effective.

Let's just say there's a situation where the science looks really great.

There's no one really disagreeing it.

You know, both sides, Donald Trump, you know, and Nancy Pelosi are both saying this is, it's actually came out great.

We're really thrilled with it, and it's helping people all over the world.

There's not that, because because a lot of this I think comes down to sort of tribal, sort of partisan divides, right?

Where the person telling you is someone you hate.

So, like, Donald Trump is saying, take this vaccine.

And everyone on the left is like, I would never take a vaccine from you, you know.

But if we were in that position where we really believed it was effective, I think people would take it.

If it's bipartisan, yeah.

If it's you'd be more likely to, yeah.

I mean, I

and I wouldn't, I know I would, we're doing this all the time already.

You do, we are all in this world doing an analysis on the fly, trying to understand a lot of information about something that we weren't thinking about six months ago at all,

and trying to decipher what we can and can't do right now.

I think most people in the audience would say, I'm not going to a crowded bar for multiple hours with bad ventilation, with no mask, right?

Like most people, I think, would say that.

Like, you know, I don't want to risk that.

Right.

On the other side, I think most people would say, I'm going to go to the park and play with my kid and have absolutely no problem, right?

And we're all making those determinations as we go.

Some people, like I had a conversation with a friend of mine who works remotely for a company, and he would typically work at like a Starbucks.

And so this has happened, and he's been forced to work at home every day.

And luckily, he's in an industry that was relatively protected from the economic consequences.

So he's able to hold on to his job.

And now restaurants are starting to open.

So I think the Starbucks has started to open.

They have outdoor tables now where you can go and sit and work.

And so he was just kind of like surveying his friends and saying, what do you think?

Is it, can I go back?

Like, is it a good idea?

So he asked me, and I said, I'm honestly overwhelmingly confident with anything outdoors.

Like, I,

there, it's, that's not perfect science, but I'm pretty confident.

Would that include a football game?

You know,

I am out of the mainstream in saying that I am much closer to believing that's okay than most people.

I think they're going to stop with large gatherings because they're worried about massive spreads.

But especially if you were to limit seating, like, you know, they were talking about

is it Ohio State?

It was one of the,

there's one, uh, one of the college football teams that has massive stadium.

It may have been Ohio State, but it was somebody like that.

And then they have, you know, 90, 100,000 people.

And they say, we can get 20,000 people in here without even getting anybody close to each other.

So why wouldn't we do that?

Now, that's not going to be a full stadium, but 20,000 people is not $0, right?

So

they're trying to say that that's okay.

Like, I mean,

I went to a Dallas Mavericks game three or four days before they canceled the NBA season.

Oh.

I was there.

Oh, wow.

I think that especially the bigger the venue, the more the well-ventilated.

And outdoors, especially, outdoors, it is, I think it's tough for this to be passed.

But again, it's up to what your risk tolerance is and what you've decided.

The information.

Another one of the friends he asked works in Manhattan and is like, eh, I wouldn't do it yet.

His perception of what is going on is completely different than mine living in Texas.

We have not felt a lot of repercussions.

There's not been a lot of deaths here.

We've done very, very well through this thing.

I think the evidence overwhelmingly shows outdoors is pretty safe.

And close contact for long periods of time in

close quarters, particularly inside in areas that aren't well ventilated or have ventilation systems that are recirculating the air without filtering it.

Those are danger areas.

But I think that is

what people will do with the vaccine.

They will look at all the information.

There will be bad information on the internet.

There will be good information on the internet.

Everyone will try to

work through that and try to understand what the best thing to do is for them and their family.

That's probably the right approach, right?

Yeah.

Like, I think that's the American approach.

You know, the American approach is not like, you know, President, you know, Xi

saying, we're going to weld you into your apartments to get rid of this virus, right?

Like, that's not the American approach.

The American approach is, and I think this has been really effective around the world.

Give the American people, give the people of any population good, reliable information that you're not changing every three days.

And then let them decide.

And let them decide and follow it.

Most likely they will.

Most likely they will.

And that is, I think,

it's tough to figure these things out, but that's all you can do.

There is a much better way to handle a pandemic, which is an authoritarian government that can basically kill anyone they think is sick.

I mean,

we don't know how many times President Xi has done that.

If there was an outbreak in the Uyghur camps, I bet you that some of that stuff happened.

I bet you anything some of that stuff happened.

But we don't know exactly what he did, but he had power to do anything.

So yeah, if you could take everybody who you think might be sick and lock them away in an island or a camp, you can control a pandemic a little bit better than a free society.

That is not worth the trade-off to me, though.

It's not worth the trade-off.

I mean, this is one situation where, of course, having control over a population makes it easier to control the pandemic, but that is not America.

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Take the vaccine or

not.

If and when it's developed.

I mean, we don't even have one yet to consider.

And in fact,

one of these, the Oxford

study, the Oxford vaccine that they've been talking about that showed real promise, they've only had 50% success with that.

But that would be a big step in the right direction if it was true.

I mean, you know, the flu vaccine a lot of times is only 30 and 40% effective.

But

if they could get 50%, that would be a massive step.

That does not mean that's anything we can lock down right now.

Right.

Okay, let's go to, is it Al in West Virginia?

Al, you're on the Glenpeck program with patents, too.

Hi.

Yes.

Hello.

Hey.

You're wondering if I'm going to take that vaccine?

No way.

No way.

No.

And it's not because I'm from West Virginia where the stereotype is that we're all rednecks.

I'm originally from the Philadelphia area.

And I graduated from Wharton also.

But I'm retired now, 73 years old, and I don't even take the flu shot.

And I tell you why, because the same thing I tell my doctor.

It gives you a false sense of security.

People get that flu shot, and that doesn't prevent them.

It's only one of the strains.

One time I was a pharmacist, said, you ought to get your flu shot.

And I said, and the next week I came by, and the pharmacist was out sick.

I said, What happened to her?

She said, She got the flu.

It's definitely not perfect.

It's definitely not perfect.

Thanks, Al.

Appreciate it.

Yeah, that's an interesting thing.

You know, I think what Al was kind of alluding to there is

true and important.

If that we like implement some of these things back into normal life, one of the ones that's been talked about is the removal of the handshake from our world, which I don't miss it.

Yeah, I'm not fine with it.

I'm fine with it.

But if that were were to happen, we would also cut flu deaths down.

Yeah.

It would be nice to get rid of a lot of this crap.

Maybe we're so used to being in this period where we don't want to get into each other's faces and openly sneeze as often.

Maybe we should continue that.

Just

a recommendation.

Yeah.

Mike in Kentucky, you're on the Glenbeck program with Patton Stew.

Yes, thanks for taking my call.

I think you asked whether I would drink the Kool-Aid.

I'm sorry, take the vaccine.

Yeah.

So I was going to say something along the lines of what Al said.

I'm an attorney, and

I don't lack education, but I will tell you that I don't take the flu shot.

The one time I took it, I got sick.

But I look at this and I say, believing that a vaccine is going to protect you and there's going to be multiple strains out there, to me, that's like saying I believe it's true because CNN said it.

And I just don't think the science supports the idea that a vaccine is going to keep you safe.

Yeah, look, it depends on what the effectiveness is and stuff.

There's a lot of people, I think, that are just not going to take it no matter what the facts are on it, right?

I mean, I think we've heard from a couple of heroes.

You just don't trust it.

Yeah, you just don't trust it.

And I think that should be your right.

You know, if you want to say, I'm not taking it.

That absolutely should be your right.

Now, look, I'm the type of guy who wants to take your vaccines that you're not taking, and I'll take multiple doses.

I want so many vaccines.

I want needles all over my body because I'm taking 900 vaccines at the same time.

I'm not in that world at all.

But that doesn't matter.

This is the United States of America.

If you don't want to vaccinate yourself against this, you may very well

deal with the illness.

You may.

Well, what happened to my body, my choice?

Exactly.

That's what we've been told over and over again.

Yeah.

I thought that was the left-wing philosophy on my.

I thought so, too.

And I will say the anti-vaccine thing, and I don't mean to characterize that too widely, but like the people who are generally speaking don't like vaccines is not really a left or right issue.

I mean, the most famous face of it is Jenny McCarthy.

Yeah, and Jim Carrey.

And JFK Jr.

Right.

Right?

RFK Jr.

RFK Jr.

Yes.

This has been a very widely spread thing on the left as well.

And, you know, look, if you don't want to do it, you shouldn't have to do it.

You can't, to me, you can't force people to do these things.

But, you know, me, I mean, I'm going right to Bill Gates' house right now, just pulling out any needle he has and sticking it in my arm.

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He's on vacation back on Monday.

We were talking a little bit about President Trump's apparent executive order that's coming here.

It was leaked on the internet last night about the internet.

which would restrict companies from being able to give editorial opinions, essentially, on tweets and other user-generated content.

It's a really intricate part of the law.

Hmm.

And he's doing that based on what law?

Is it the law that we always claim is...

And I'm not sure it's true because you've brought some doubt into this now.

Supposedly there's a law that these private companies

can be protected from lawsuits, what happens on their forum, like Twitter, if somebody says really something bad on Twitter

or threatens to kill someone on Twitter and then goes ahead with it and some crime is committed and it was on their site, they're protected from lawsuit.

Or just post

copywritten material.

Right.

You know, something like that.

On their...

So

you post on Facebook and you post the entire

last Star Wars movie.

Right.

And you just post it on Facebook.

You know, the Lucasfilm can't come sue you if you're Facebook because somebody did something on your platform.

That's what it was.

Now that protection only exists, supposedly, if

you're non-biased.

Yeah, and there's some wording in there that's to that effect.

There's definitely another side to that one.

Ted Cruz makes a good case on the idea that this whole separation between platform and publisher has been the thing.

A lot of legal scholars and some of them on the right say, that doesn't really say that.

The law doesn't actually

mean

there's a part of the law that specifically says they can remove anything they find otherwise

offensive, right?

So it's like stuff like certainly like porn and all those things they can remove.

But there's a clause in there that says basically and otherwise offensive, which would cover anything that those people found offensive, right?

I mean, it's like,

that's the way it reads, at least.

Okay.

So there's some disagreement as to whether this is going to work or not, but this is what Trump is trying to do.

His distinction, and I understand why, he's upset that

he's tweeting things out that he believes are true and are important to highlight.

And Twitter's coming in and saying, this isn't true.

Here's a link to something that is true.

And Twitter is the arbiter of truth there,

saying,

redirecting people away from what the president is saying is true.

And

who's right or who's wrong in any given situation isn't important.

The question is whether Twitter can do that and still get the protections from all these lawsuits.

But the internet is bringing us all sorts of bizarre new things that we had not considered before.

Let me give you this story, Pat, and I'm somewhat fascinated by the reaction.

John Krasinski, who is the guy, he's Jim from the office, as he's he will always be known, despite the fact that he's had a major career outside of that.

He's Jack Ryan on,

is that Amazon doing that series?

Yeah.

Their Amazon Prime series with Jack Ryan.

He also, A Quiet Place, that movie and a sequel coming out relative to, I think it's ready to go, but they didn't release it because of the COVID stuff.

But that was the first one I thought was great.

I mean, he's a very talented guy outside of the office.

He was in 18 hours.

He was 18 hours in that.

He was really good in that.

That was an underrated role.

And so, but he's all, you know, that's always going to be his thing, and I don't think he minds it.

You know, that whole cast, I just, I love them on the office, but I love them outside of it too.

They all seem to really like each other, and they all seem to be really good people and doing good things.

And I don't know.

It's just like it's one of the things about the world I like right now.

Yeah.

It's just the office, the people from the office just being cool to each other.

I just, I don't know why I like it.

So, but this is a situation where Jim from the office, John Krasinski, does a web series that he launches in the middle of the coronavirus shutdown.

And it's called Some Good News.

His daughters write the sign that sticks up behind him.

He does it from his, you know, like his bedroom, you know, in shorts and a, you know, a suit top, you know, like, and he just goes through, his point was, I watched the first episode of it, his point was basically like, we're in the, the worst time here and every, every piece of news seems to suck.

Here's some good stories.

And he would just give good stories about, you know, whether it was a,

a, um, you know, a doctor who was getting cheered as they walked out from work or, you know, it was that type of stuff.

He just feels good.

He's good stories.

Yeah.

And it kind of developed over, I think it was eight episodes.

And he was doing them weekly where they became like bigger and bigger, almost like stunts associated with him.

Like he was able to get the entire cast the office to do,

play a part in a wedding that was supposed to happen, but then didn't because of COVID.

So they went through and did the wedding on like Zoom and then brought in the entire cast of the office all at once to do the dance they did in one of the episodes of the office.

There was a, you know, he had, you know, he would bring in like Robert De Niro to do weather, just randomly.

You know, it was one of them.

He was just exploiting his celebrity connections to give people a few smiles during the middle of this nonsense, right?

And it was a

a nice break.

Well, it got huge fast.

The first episode was huge and it kept building and building and building and building.

And this turned into a real thing, like millions and millions and millions of people watching this

after only a few episodes.

So now we're getting to the end of this.

He kind of says it's a limited series.

He ends it after eight episodes.

Behind the scenes goes into negotiations with apparently a bunch of companies that want to buy this thing.

It's this hugely successful thing with him at the front of it.

And he winds up agreeing with CBS to,

they buy this thing for God only knows how much money.

I mean, as a capitalist, I absolutely adore this story.

This guy is in his

bedroom.

He does a couple of fun shows and a couple of fun interviews and turns it into millions of dollars.

I love it.

Now, of course, I'm an evil capitalist, so of course I love these things.

Apparently, the web, the people who

were following this, did not like it.

No, he's a sellout now.

He's a sellout, right?

He's a sellout.

When did he ever say that

he was in this for charitable purposes?

Right.

Did he ever say that?

No.

Never did.

And who knows?

He probably did give a lot of money to charity,

but that was not his stated, it was not like, you know, this will always be a charitable show.

It will always last forever.

He never gave any promises like that.

He just did something basically for fun with his daughters online during quarantine.

Right.

Yeah.

It turns it into something great.

It actually should be a great American success story, right?

That's how we should view this.

Of course, we can't view it that way.

We can't have nice things.

We can't have nice things.

We can't have happy moments.

We can't be happy for other people's success.

That's not the way America works.

Now, part of the reason here is he sold it to CBS, and now he's not going to be the host of it anymore.

Which I love even more, frankly, just because it's like...

Yeah, I don't know what the value is then without him.

Right.

Without him, you know, he's a big part of it.

And so I guess he's going to continue to be a part of it and appear and stuff, but it's not going to even be his his show anymore, which I can understand.

Like, you like this show that this guy was on and now he's leaving.

We all understand how that can be annoying at times.

People are writing, you know,

Krasinski writes a nice tweet about how thank you for everything.

This has been great.

And, you know, everyone's responding.

Here's a sampling.

So he made eight YouTube videos comprised largely of unpaid contributions from fans

sold the brand to a major conglomerate and isn't even going to make it anymore?

Just cashed out.

Does this rub anyone else the wrong way?

It doesn't rub me the wrong way.

No.

And I think that that is a...

There's a keeping up with the Joneses aspect of this.

It's what we used to call it, at least.

Now I guess it's income inequality.

It's the same concept as basically being jealous of people with more than you.

That's what income inequality is.

It's just a, it's attaching some level of academia to the level of jealousy.

It's just jealousy plus academia equals income inequality.

We all can sit here and say,

do I wish I had as much money as Mark Cuban or John Krasinski?

Sure, I do.

I don't, though.

You know why?

Because they've accomplished more in their life than me, frankly.

And that's not always the case with rich people, but a lot of times it is.

So this guy was able to cut this great deal.

It's super advertiser-friendly, and he's just being lit up for it by the people who said they loved it.

And I feel like that is

a bigger commentary on just

how we are in our society as we relate to people who are successful.

We love them on the way up.

And as soon as they get up there, we're just like, ah, screw those people.

They're annoying now.

What does this guy do?

We always complain about negative news.

He brings good news to a place where lots of people watch it, where it's commercially viable.

He's already got other full-time jobs, right?

He's already Jack Ryan.

How many jobs is the guy supposed to have?

So he's going to...

That's kind of what he said.

Yeah.

Why he sold it.

He said, look, I was only planning to do eight episodes during quarantine.

It's not my full-time thing.

Why not cash out again?

He's not going to do it forever.

Why not?

Yeah.

And he's still going to be involved in it.

I can't find out how much CBS.

I'd love to know how much he got.

I don't think the numbers come out, but

I haven't seen it.

Certainly in the seven figures, if it's not in the eight.

But he had 72 million views.

In a very short time.

72 million.

And I think there's just something about the, you know, there's something about the office where these guys, everybody on there, there's just an affinity.

They're super likable.

They're super likable.

And anything they do, you kind of just like.

And, you know,

there's something magical about that, which is pretty important.

Let's take a quick break because there's another story as well where fans of people online are now revolting against them.

This one's a little bit more complicated.

I want to see where you stand on it.

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there's a story out about a pretty famous YouTube couple.

Their names are Mika Strauffer and her husband, Stoffer, excuse me, and their husband James.

Now,

I don't know famous YouTube couples.

So

they have lots of views and apparently very well known in this world.

But it's sort of, again, a new dynamic that the internet brings.

So they have four kids and

they are on talking about family.

They're talking about these things all the time.

They're very well known on YouTube.

They decide to adopt a fifth child.

The child is from China

about three years ago.

And the child has special needs.

They bring him into the family.

They do all of this coverage of it.

They walk you through basically every moment of their life as they're doing this adoption.

They bring you through the adoption process, they bring you through bringing the kid home.

They have all these wonderful moments with the kid.

It's adorable, lovely

family content, the type of stuff you'd expect from YouTube, right?

Like it's this nice, wonderful, you know, family environment, and everyone's, you know, they talk about their struggles, but of course, they're talking about what a great thing it is.

They make tons of money off of this because that's what you do on YouTube if you get people to watch your stuff, right?

You make lots of money.

And, you know, they're able to bring in sponsorships and all of these other things as they go through this process that we kind of know as the YouTube world now.

Then the story gets a little complicated.

About two years after they, a little over two years after they've adopted this kid,

the kid stops showing up in videos.

And people are like, hey, like, I remember when you were telling us about every little detail of this kid's life, you know, like,

where did they go?

So this goes on for a while people are asking questions

you know it's like when Kim Jong-un doesn't come outside for a couple weeks everyone you know starts freaking out

so they go down this road and eventually the couple comes out and they say like this is one of the hardest things we've ever had to talk about but we basically had to re-home the child so they had they brought in a kid with special needs What they discovered over time was that the kid had apparently several additional issues they were unaware of when they adopted the child.

So it became to a point where they have four other kids.

They believed it was overwhelming them and they couldn't handle it.

And they basically were, you know, wound up transferring the child over to another family.

Now, that's

in and of itself, you could say, well, you know, you should be prepared for these things or you should be able to take on these extra things, but that's a lot of unfair criticism about a situation you don't know much about.

What complicates the situation, I think, even more is the fact that they made a bunch of money, essentially bringing this adorable child into the world and having you follow along their story.

What do they do with the money now?

Now, I think what they're probably going to do with the money is keep the money, right?

They actually went through these times.

Those are real videos, real moments of their life.

But a lot of people who follow them are being highly critical saying, you took a bunch of money to bring us into this.

You basically rented a kid to make a bunch of cash, which is not a fair way of looking at it.

But

these lines are weird.

I don't know how you deal with it.

I mean, I don't know.

Maybe they give some sort of donation to the new family.

Who knows?

But

first of all, I don't, a lot of people are so, everyone's so critical, right?

Everyone's got their little argument about, you know, what this family should be doing or that person online should be doing.

A lot of this, you don't understand the whole story.

They're doing a show.

YouTube is a show.

They're not giving you every little detail of what's going on in their lives.

You don't understand it.

So I can understand, you know, like, I understand why people get critical, but it is mostly ridiculous, right?

I mean,

you can't put yourself in their position because you don't even know what their position is.

There is a strange line there, though, because somebody's going to turn this into a business.

They're just going to start renting children for, like, a friend of mine came up with a business a while ago called Rent a Puppy.

And his concept was you rent a puppy and you have them through their first, like, cute, their first cute year.

Okay.

And then you can, and then you can walk around the park and all the pretty girls will come up to you and pet the dog and you can talk to them.

And then when the dog starts turning into a dog and you're no longer adorable, you just trade it back in for another puppy.

It was a brilliant idea.

I don't think he ever actually attempted it.

I don't think you want to encourage that sort of behavior in children.

Probably not.

No, probably not.

Probably not, right?

Sodi.

I mean, is there anything to that?

Is that a line that is.

Are you comfortable with that?

I mean, I don't know.

Because

there's a lot of, I I know Glenn's adopted children.

A lot of people have gone through that in this audience.

I would say a higher percentage.

He didn't give his back, though.

He still has his.

Is it something legitimate to consider?

If you believe you're getting a child that has X, Y, and Z issue and they develop apparently a bunch of other issues you were not aware of and you realize you can't handle it, is that what you do in that situation?

Well, I know a couple who've done that.

Really?

Yeah, they couldn't handle it.

I mean, they thought that they could, and they wanted to, and they really wanted this child.

But when they got to it, it became, they thought, dangerous for them.

And

so they went back to the adoption people and said, we can't,

we're not equipped to handle this.

I mean,

we can't deal with this and we're scared.

So,

yeah, he went back and

I don't know what became of him afterward, but they must have placed him in a different foster family.

So it does happen sometimes.

And not on YouTube.

YouTube was not involved in that particular thing.

So they didn't make any money from it.

I thought adoptions only happened when you

apparently not.

No, yeah.

It happens a few times without the cash involved.

Yeah.

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I think what we do agree on is that people on Twitter pretty much should decide what direction your life takes, right?

Like if they are pissed off that you adopted a kid and then gave the kid back, then you should probably go back and get the kid and just handle it.

It's definitely, you know, just handle it.

Yeah, the best way to live for sure.

Right.

Because all the criticism on social media is the way you need to form all the things that you do in your life.

Right.

I've noticed that that's a good way to live my life.

I've adopted it as my strategy.

It's a good idea.

It just is a wise step to take in your life is follow the dictates of the tweets.

That's just what that's what you do.

I just can't.

I do,

I am on social media.

And you can, by the way, follow me at Stu Does America.

Okay.

At Pad Unleashed, I believe it is as well.

On Twitter.

I post our stuff up there, but that's my interest in it.

I like to, you got to spread it, use it to spread the word.

It's part of our lives in the dumb business.

It's a necessary evil.

If it wasn't for this business, I would be in a Unabomber shack.

I would be in a shack.

Now, not literally, because I'm way too spoiled to be in a Unabomber shack, but I'm saying like from a social media standpoint, I would be in a shack.

I would never even know a thing that was tweeted.

I would never be aware of it again.

I wouldn't know anything that was tweeted.

I would never follow another Instagram account.

I would never be on any of it.

I don't like it at all.

I get not a moment of enjoyment from it.

And it's interesting because it's just the opposite of that for the president of the United States.

And he loves it.

Oh my gosh, he loves it.

He loves the interaction.

He loves the back and forth.

He loves the battle, the continual contention.

I think he loves it.

He does.

And you could tell he relishes it.

He does.

Because he could obviously change those things if he felt like he could.

You know, it would benefit him.

But I don't think it matters if it benefits him.

And And he's...

That's not his priority there.

He just likes it.

He's in quite a battle with Twitter right now.

And we'll get into some of the aspects of that coming up here in a sec on the Glenn Beck program.

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You should look at this point instead.

That would kind of piss me off.

That's what Twitter's doing right now.

That's kind of the cause of this controversy.

Yeah, and the president is rightly irritated with them, but it's a private company and you can't shut Twitter down because they're doing things you don't like.

You can't.

I don't think you can.

Yeah, I don't see how that's an American situation.

You can't do it.

But what you could do is take your 80 million followers and suggest that everybody moves to a different forum.

Just go to a different platform.

Yep.

And screw Twitter.

Who cares?

See you later, Twitter.

We're going to some other platform right now.

He likes the impact.

Twitter.

Twitter, it's, you know, really, when it comes to the American people, not that many of them are really on Twitter.

It's the least impactful when it comes to actually reaching people.

It's massively amplified by the media because it's the media's favorite one.

So like there's there's way more people on.

Yeah, because you don't have to read very much.

Right.

Yeah.

No, it's quick little comments.

They can, they can go.

It's all, it's easily searchable.

So you can find what they said in the past about an issue.

Uh, there's a lot of that sort of stuff that goes on.

So Facebook has way more people.

Instagram has much more, far more people who are using it in an active basis.

It's, it's that Twitter is all the blue check marks are there.

All the media members, all the writers, all the commentators, and they're all there.

He gets to see all their comments.

And so he gets the impact from there.

And it drives the coverage of every single television station that comes out and feels the need to do a story every time donald trump tweets something unless it's something that's okay like we're doing an investigation into the death in minneapolis which he tweeted and nobody commented on because that was totally fine and they couldn't blame the incident on him so no one talked about that tweet but when they can find a problem with it if he tweets something bad about mika or joe scarborough it's it leads the news for several days and that is what the media likes likes about it.

And it's also what Donald Trump likes about it.

Yeah, and it's too bad because Twitter is ridiculous in their so-called effort to keep everything

on a pleasant level.

They want everybody to be nice to each other.

Everybody

on the right needs to be nice.

Now, the left can say whatever they please.

And

just to back that up a little bit,

here's the guy who has been appointed now to decide whose

tweets are okay and whose tweets aren't okay.

This is the arbiter of all of that now, Yoel Roth.

This is the guy who has been elevated to that position.

And here's a few of his tweets, which I guess were perfectly acceptable in the past on Twitter.

Yoel tweeted out, I'm just saying, we fly over those states that voted for a racist tangerine for a reason.

See, that's an okay.

That's perfectly,

that's all acceptable right there.

He also tweeted at one point: yes, that person in the pink hat is clearly a bigger threat to your brand of feminism than actual Nazis in the White House.

Yeah, so there's actual Nazis in the White House, according to Yoll Roth.

He also tweeted, today on Meet the Press, we're speaking with Joseph Goebbels about the first 100 days.

What I hear whenever Kellyanne is on a news show.

So that was perfectly okay to call

Kelly Ann, not

Joseph Goebbels.

It's totally fine.

It's amazing to me that, not that they would put this person in control of this process.

That does not amaze me at all.

What amazes me is that they would

pick somebody who was so obviously searchable on comments like this.

It could be someone who was maybe undercover a little bit.

I think.

That is bizarre.

Yeah, it is.

Bizarre.

It is.

And again, they can do what they want, I guess, with their forum.

It's, you know, a private company, and Jack can do whatever Jack wants to do with it.

And you're going to point this moron as the arbiter of all things good and right on Twitter.

But,

wow, you're alienating at least, I guess, 50% of your audience base.

And maybe we'll just all accept it anyway.

But again, what the president should do is take his 80 million followers and go somewhere else with them.

That would have an impact on Twitter, I think.

I think

that would be impactful.

We have Mark Zuckerberg, who's kind of speaking out about this,

and social media sites and the fact that they're starting to edit or

mark in some way certain comments by people.

Here's what Zuckerberg told Fox News.

We have a different policy, I think, than Twitter on this.

I just believe strongly that

Facebook shouldn't be the arbiter of truth of everything that people say online.

I think, in general, private companies probably shouldn't be, or especially these platform companies, shouldn't be in the position of doing that.

That would be really good if he practiced what he was just preaching there, but he kind of doesn't.

He really kind of doesn't.

I don't know what his line is there because what he said there, I think, should be the position of these companies.

Absolutely, it should.

People are going to post a bunch of dumb crap, and there's nothing we can do about it.

Sort it out yourself.

That is a completely responsible commentary for a company in

an okay and responsible position to say that, you know what, some people are going to say we didn't land on the moon.

So what?

Figure it out.

Everybody knows we did.

Whatever.

And if they do, if everyone decides because of this video that we didn't land on the moon, well, I don't know what we're going to have to really work hard to try to convince people of the opposite.

But it's not going to be me doing it.

You're going to have to do it.

NASA's going to have to do it.

This idea that Mark Zuckerberg should be in there trying to tell people what is right and what is wrong when users post it is stupid.

Or adjusting his algorithm so that those people aren't seen.

I mean, if people want to see him, let them see it.

If they don't want to see it, tell them not to look at it.

Now, it's not that hard.

I do tend to think that they have a very clear right and are okay

in

not promoting material they don't like.

Right?

Like if they wanted to say, I don't want to promote white nationalist material, and they just, they pick a thing and they, they don't recommend that video.

You watch a video that's with similar content and that one never pops up.

I, that's their algorithm, and I think they could do that.

Yeah.

When people want to go, when they sign up for a person, they want to go to see their videos, it's ridiculous to pull them down.

It's stupid.

It is.

You don't want to promote them.

That's fine.

I think that's fine.

That's a good line for them.

You know, they can say, they can, and, and, you know, I'm very much a free market guy.

I'm very much, and this is, I would say, decreasing in popularity as a viewpoint on the right, but I'm very much at the point that if Twitter wants to never allow another conservative on it in

its in the entire company's future, they can do that.

They are a and I know we can get into the section 230 thing, and I know people are thinking that right now, whether they get these protections.

You know, that's a complicated issue that we can talk about at more at length at another time.

But like, generally speaking, they should be able to do whatever they want.

I come to this, like, if think of it this way, Pat.

A church, right, a religious organization decides

they want to give access as an internet provider or an internet forum, and they want to be able to

stop anything that's blasphemous.

anything questioning religion.

Should they be able to do that?

I would argue, yeah.

If they want literally no dissent on their platform, they should be able to have no dissent on their platform.

I don't think that's a great way to run a site, especially if you're Facebook or Twitter.

But if they wanted to, they could do it.

Now, if they did it, their business model would fall apart.

No one would be on it.

Half the country would leave Twitter, and the other half would not have their fun calling the other half racists.

So, what good is Twitter if you can't do that?

But

so, I don't really like the idea that we're going to come in and try to micromanage how they deal with these things.

You know, the concept being, and Ted Cruz makes a good case on this, that they also shouldn't receive protections if they are going to make those decisions.

They shouldn't receive copyright protections and other things, which is an understandable case.

It's very muddy legally to me.

I think Cruz makes a great case.

I've heard, you know, a lot of,

you know, Section 230 is actually overall a really good thing.

It's, it's all, it really has allowed the internet to flourish and become very free.

It's actually a very free market thing.

It's just the question of this one little part of it.

Do we tweak it to make it so these companies can't just edit and

denounce material that they don't agree with?

I understand Trump's struggle there, but on the other side of it, you know, like I think Trump wins this battle, right?

He comes in and he says what he wants to say.

Yeah.

And people are going to listen to it if they like him.

They're not going to if they don't.

I don't think there's a lot of people who are like, you know what?

I really want to hear about what happened to Joe Scarborough's intern, but there's that link under there on Twitter and they're going to send me to a fact check page.

So I'm going to have my mind changed.

That's like two people on earth.

You're either going to believe that stuff or you're not.

Right?

Yes.

Yes.

The idea that Twitter is going to be able to win this battle

is silly.

I mean, you mentioned the moon conspiracy thing,

whether or not we've been to the moon.

Okay, if you're going to watch a video that shows you inaccurate information and you are part of the 11% who believes that we've never been to the moon.

Oh, well.

Yeah.

Whatever.

I can't help that you're that dumb.

Everyone's got their little conspiracy theory.

You're that dumb.

You know, whatever.

And pretty soon

we're going to go to the moon again, and then you're going to have to say, I guess we didn't go there again this time as well.

Are you going to believe that we go to the moon when Elon Musk gets us there?

I think the answer to that is no.

I think the answer is no.

Yeah.

It's actually much easier to believe we'd fake a moon landing now.

We can make it look really good.

Oh, yeah.

Back in the day.

It would be way better than 1969.

Yeah.

You couldn't even.

I mean, even like those, they've done those examinations of the shadows and the way the thing would have to be lit for this to happen.

Then the lighting didn't even exist.

And there's all these issues.

Now, all that stuff, you could make it perfect.

Yes, you could do it CGI and no one would know the difference.

Nobody would know.

In fact, they could have pretended to launch yesterday and we wouldn't have known the difference.

You're probably right.

We wouldn't have known.

But they didn't pretend it, but they could have.

They could have.

In fact, the SpaceX launch was scrapped yesterday, which was a bummer.

I was really, really hoping they were going to get up there yesterday, but they're rescheduled now for Saturday afternoon, I think.

So Saturday afternoon, we'll see if they fake this thing again.

Because really...

I think all space flight has been faked, right?

In the minds of the moon conspiracy people.

I don't think anybody's anybody's been to space i they don't believe there is space or something in fact i when i was talking to the flat earth guy and this was like over 20 years ago now uh 22 23 years ago they've come a long way

a long way since i mean the earth's still flat but they've come a long way

but it was it's flat but it's a disk and then he's and then the like the sun is only 37 miles if i remember correctly from the earth i mean it is the size it looks like it is in the sky

because it's only really big if you believe that it's 93 million miles away.

That's the only time the sun is really big.

But it's 37 miles away.

It's 37 miles away.

Yeah.

So it's a lot closer.

It's a lot closer.

Yeah, it is.

A few inches would be a big deal.

I feel like 25 degrees on the, you know,

the surface of the earth.

I mean, if we move an inch or two the wrong way, I think that can happen.

You're done.

You're just,

you're done.

But you're never going to convince those people and who cares if you do.

Right.

It's okay.

You know, like, it's okay that people believe crazy things.

Yeah, so it's okay.

It's okay.

So, we all try to get away from it.

Yeah, we all live.

Who cares what they believe?

Who cares?

Yeah.

You know, 99% of this stuff doesn't make any difference.

And we all sit here and stress about it all the time.

Who cares?

There are people that think Ted Cruz's dad killed JFK.

Who cares?

Who cares?

Who cares?

I mean, Ted Cruz and Ted Cruz's dad.

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CNN did it today.

They said, you know, Donald Trump's silent as 100,000 people die.

And they did this.

This is a very constant thing.

CNN is really bad at it right now.

So deceitful and deceptive.

They are, let's be honest about it, and they are least

connected to actual news, period, in the entire network's history.

It's been fine to criticize CNN over the years.

They have abandoned, abandoned being a news organization.

Organization.

Yeah, they're total anti-Trump propaganda now.

That's all they are.

And I would put an asterisk there for certain exceptions of personalities and hosts and journalists on there.

I don't think everybody's like that, but the tone of their day is that.

It is associating every story with Donald Trump and trying to make him look bad in any way possible.

This is another example.

This is a tactic that CNN uses all the time, which is

take one activity, let's say Trump is doing, and tie it to another activity that's happening roughly at the same time.

And then just connect them with as.

So it's like,

let's say this guy, you know, Donald, there's a murder in

Pocatella, Idaho.

Okay.

And they say Donald Trump golfs as murders go on in Idaho.

And like, those two things aren't connected at all.

Like,

what does it matter?

Anytime he golfs, bad things will be happening somewhere in the world.

But if you say he golfs as that bad thing is happening, it's like he's ignoring it.

He's like, I don't care.

I'm going to go golfing.

What happened?

The guy got murdered.

Screw him.

It's tea time.

That's not what's occurring.

But they did this today where they're like, he was silent.

Well, he, what do you mean he's silent?

He's been talking about Coke the whole time.

Every day.

Every day.

Every day.

You bitched about it when he talked about it.

He said you're talking about it too much.

Yes.

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

See you tomorrow.