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How about Elon Musk

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Come arrest me.

Will they arrest him today or not?

Cheryl Atkinson has a list of all of the lies that the media has told, and it's fantastic, especially on the day that we have new names being released.

We could see indictments of Clapper, of Brennan, of Samantha Power,

possibly Joe Biden and Barack Obama.

It's an amazing Obama gate scandal that is going on.

We have that.

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We might have either Cheryl Atkinson or Tim Poole on today to talk about the press and the mayhem with the CBS reporter yesterday.

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But we also have

the declassified list of Obama officials that

could go to jail, should go to jail.

I mean, I think it's like a five-year sentence for unmasking General Flynn.

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I suppose if anyone's going to do it, it's going to be Donald Trump.

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And he has reason to.

Yeah.

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Acting Director of the National Intelligence, Richard Grinnell, has declassified a list of Obama administration officials involved in the illegal unmasking of General Michael Flynn in wiretapping.

Now, what's interesting is we almost had Grinnell on.

Do you remember?

We had Grinnell on because we knew he knew something.

We knew he knew something.

And it was during the

Biden thing.

And at the last minute, we couldn't get the satellite up or whatever it was because he was over in Germany.

Well, Attorney General William Barr is now in possession of the list and has the authority to make the document public, according to ABC News.

Grinnell visited the Justice Department last week delivering the list of Obama administration officials before A.G.

Barr announced the dropping of the DOJ case against Flynn.

Flynn pleaded guilty to one count of lying to FBI investigators about

contacts with former ambassador of Russia, but he withdrew his plea when the legal team found evidence of potential

prosecutorial and investigative abuses.

So here's what happened.

They knew

back in

late 2016, in December, that the FBI had nothing on Flynn.

And then there was a meeting at the White House.

And at this meeting was everybody, including Barack Obama.

And it's now been revealed that Barack Obama knew about everything.

Now, this is new because Clapper had testified,

no, I didn't brief him.

Nobody, the president wasn't involved.

He didn't know.

But now we know that, yes, indeed he did.

And I'm trying to remember who was there at the meeting.

It was somebody big who was surprised that Obama knew about all of this.

And so they knew that the FBI was closing the case.

And Obama said, no, you don't want to do that.

You want to keep this open.

You want to just keep, you just want to keep this open.

And so they kept it open and they were looking to

take down General Flynn one way or another.

This is why that FBI

agent wrote and said, I'm confused here.

Are we trying to find a crime or are we trying to

get him to lie so we can force him out.

So that's why that is important now.

So it is, they were trying to get him on a Logan Act violation.

Now the Logan Act is from like the 1700s, okay, when we had actual foreign people

going over to distant lands that may have had some sort of allegiance to those lands, and they were representing themselves as able to talk

for the United States of America.

And Washington wanted to make sure that nobody was doing that.

You don't speak for America.

We have a Secretary of State that speaks for America.

Nobody has ever been prosecuted for this, including Ted Kennedy, who went over to Russia at the height of the Cold War and was telling them what we were doing and not to worry about it.

I don't know.

We're all bluster.

He went over and

was aiding and abetting and providing comfort to our sworn enemy, Russia.

Never, nobody's ever been prosecuted with this.

Okay, it's old-timey law.

But that's what the FBI wanted.

So now it looks like

we have

these declassified names.

It's

Comey

Clapper.

Who else here?

Comey, Clapper.

I don't have the list in front of me.

And we don't know who's on the official list.

These are just

speculation.

Obama and Biden could be on this.

And I will tell you that

there's a reason that Donald Trump came out yesterday and really had at it.

Here he is on ObamaGate crime.

Listen to this audio from yesterday.

Trump accusing Obama of Obamagate.

What crime exactly are you accusing President Obama of committing, and do you believe the Justice Department should prosecute him?

ObamaGate.

It's been going on for a long time.

It's been going on from before I even got elected.

And it's a disgrace that it happened.

And if you look at what's gone on, and if you look at now all of this information that's being released, and from what I understand, that's only the beginning.

Some terrible things happened, and it should never be allowed to happen in our country again.

And you'll be seeing what's going on over the next coming weeks.

But I and I wish you'd write honestly about it, but unfortunately, you choose not to do so.

Yeah, John, please.

What is the crime exactly that you're accusing him of?

You know what the crime is.

The crime is very obvious to everybody.

All you have to do is read the newspapers except yours.

Okay, so here's the crime: Obama had, unexpectedly, intimate knowledge about the details of Flynn's phone calls with the Russian ambassador.

The FBI acknowledged at the time these were not criminal or even improper.

But the problem was, is the president

has said that he didn't know about it, wasn't involved in any of this.

In fact, there was testimony from Clapper saying

he was under oath

in Congress, and he said, did the president, did you brief the president, did the president know about this?

And he said, no.

So now he's committed perjury under oath in Congress.

Now, here's the real problem.

Obama has said this is a problem

that we're not prosecuting Flynn because

he said the charges against Flynn were perjury.

And

he said, this is something that

is hurting

the

rule of law in America.

Quote: The fact there is no precedent that anyone can find for someone who has been charged with perjury just getting off scot-free.

Yeah, I would say that would be Bill Clinton.

But why stop there?

Obama said that's the kind of stuff where you begin to get worried that basic, not just institutional norms, but our basic understanding of the rule of law is at risk.

Yes, we said that

about

Bill Clinton.

And everyone said, well, yeah, but it was only a personal lie.

It was a lie to protect his marriage.

Okay.

Well,

Flynn,

he lied.

We know that that he lied.

The reason why he's not being nailed for it is because of the rule of law.

There wasn't an investigation that should have been going on.

You can't just, an FBI agent can't just walk into your house and you're talking to him and you say, you know what?

I really, I really think that you're a wonderful individual.

And he says, you're lying to me.

That's perjury.

No.

If he was doing an investigation and that investigation had a warrant and was authorized and it was a legitimate investigation then you could get him for perjury but because this wasn't a legitimate investigation this was a setup he can now say no i i lied to you but you can't prosecute me it's just like miranda writes If you don't read somebody their rights, you can't prosecute them.

You can't use the things that they said because you didn't tell them their rights.

That is all about due process and the rule of law.

What's Clapper's excuse?

Clapper was covering

for Barack Obama while under oath about an illegal investigation.

There's nowhere to go there.

So if Barack Obama cares so much about perjury, he is throwing Clapper under the bus.

And there's, it couldn't happen to a nicer person.

We'll get back to this and so much more.

Coming up in just a second, let me stop for one minute.

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Trey was saying that there was a problem with his investigation now, and he should have known better.

Here's what he said yesterday.

I made a lot of mistakes in life relying on briefings and not insisting on the documents.

It took me about three weeks.

I went over to the Department of Justice.

I sat there for four hours.

That's when I saw that Peter Strzok actually initiated and approved crossfire hurricane.

That's when I saw the exculpatory information on George Papadopoulos.

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If you think that the media is going to carry the water here for our Attorney General Barr and

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Did you see yesterday that 2,000 FBI, former FBI officials came out against Attorney General Barr on this?

I mean, I can't believe it.

I just don't know what's happening.

How can 2,000 agents come out?

A, who organized that, but where are the other agents that are supporting the rule of law?

Well, there's a lot of agents, right?

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You know,

If you don't like the administration,

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It usually isn't.

I mean, there also is an element here of, you know, when you're talking about people like Comey, for example, you're talking about going out after one of their own.

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hello america welcome to the glenn back program glad you're here uh there's a couple of things i got to stop and talk about elon musk because i love this guy i love him now remember, Elon Musk is a global warming guy.

I mean,

that's why he's planning on going to Mars because he's so convinced about global warming.

Okay, so he's not exactly a conservative,

but he is great.

I just love him.

He's an entrepreneur.

He is.

He's Tony Stark.

Let's be honest.

He is living the life of Tony Stark

and using his money in all the ways that you would hope to use your money if you were really, really rich and a genius.

Well, he is in an argument now

with California.

And California has said you can't open your

factory until when?

What did they say in the 20th or something like that?

And he says, I'm opening it up.

I'm opening it up today.

This is today.

And if you want to arrest me, go ahead.

I'll be on the line.

So now California is really, really pissed at him because he's defying their orders.

And he says, I don't get authority from you.

Some little coronavirus commission.

Nobody elected you.

No.

I'm running my company.

And so he's opening up the doors today.

Apparently, it has been crowded for the last few days as they started to come back online.

And he's threatening to move to Texas or Nevada, which I mean, you can move to Nevada, but you will be welcomed here in Texas, Mr.

Musk.

Jan Anderson, I understand that Newsom kind of gave him the go-ahead, and then it was some non-elected county official that said, No, you're not going, you're not restarting that.

He's like, Who are you?

No, I'm going to restart it.

So, I think good for him.

It's unconstitutional.

I hope they arrest him.

I hope they do.

They won't.

I hope they do because he has the money to make it into.

He's not going to shut up.

And he's not going to take it.

You know what else is kind of cool about Elon Musk is he's the only billionaire hobo I know of.

He says he's going to be without a house.

He's getting rid of all of his possessions.

He's supposedly incredibly cash poor.

He's just a billionaire on paper.

I mean, he doesn't have, apparently, a lot of cash flow, at least that's what they say, and that's what he has said in the past.

So it's kind of interesting to see the way he operates.

He talks down his own stock.

He talks about not having any possessions ever.

He's a really interesting guy.

Interesting cash.

I love him.

If there was anybody I could interview today, my dream interview probably would be Elon Musk.

I find him one of the most fascinating.

He's kind of a, he's a Nikolai Tesla of our era.

And I think misunderstood and maybe crazy.

I don't know.

I don't think so, but maybe crazy.

And I love that about him.

And he embodies the American entrepreneurial spirit.

He is a Nikolai Tesla

in all the ways that,

you know, in all the things that implies.

And maybe even the crazy part.

But

I hope they arrest him because he won't sit down.

He will not sit down.

It's fun, too, because the left now hates him just for the reasons we've been talking about, that he insists on opening his factory again.

They can't take their zero tolerance policy.

Yeah.

You disagree with one thing on the left and you're out.

Yeah, oh, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Especially this one's really interesting to me because he seems to be,

you know, he's against the lockdowns, right?

And the president is still,

you know,

he has obviously called for six weeks of lockdown.

And he said he's been defending it on Twitter recently that it was the right policy to do.

And yet now, opposition to Trump is unacceptable to the left,

which is a fascinating development, right?

Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

This isn't this, this no, I hate this argument.

I heard this on Fox News of all places.

I didn't mean to offend you.

Jeez, gosh.

Well, just don't jump on me though.

I'm a little like Elon Musk.

I may be crazy.

Here's the thing.

Here's the thing.

Donald Trump, yes, he had the six-week lockdown, but all of the rest of this stuff is happening because of the states.

Donald Trump is not responsible for all of this stuff now.

All of these lockdowns are being run by the states, not the federal government.

Right.

I'm just saying Trump agreed with the policy for six weeks, right?

He's now trying to get people to open up.

And he's saying, and he's, by the way, even after the lockdown expired,

it was criticizing the Georgia governor for doing too much too fast.

So, I mean, I don't think Trump is in a situation where he has been advocating this, you know, the media tries to make him out to be this crazy radical character where he's just like, everyone go out and sneeze on each other.

Like, that's not what he's done at all.

There's no evidence of that whatsoever.

And so, you know, totally reasonable.

And what

Musk is doing here is he's been saying, like, you know, free America, open it up, blah, blah, blah.

And like, that is

in opposition to what Donald Trump is saying, which usually immediately guarantees you're on the right side of the left because whatever Trump says, if you're on the left, you have to disagree with it.

What is funny is they just are reading into his mindset and saying, well, he doesn't actually believe it.

He doesn't actually believe it.

No, he's actually.

No, but he's actually come out and said that this is fascistic.

What's happening is fascistic.

Must be.

So he's not, I don't think he's, yeah, I don't think he's meaning that about Donald Trump.

No, but he would say he's meaning about lockdowns, right?

Now, his immediate concern is Newsom, who's gone further than Trump.

But I mean, I don't think the difference, I don't think the space between Trump and Newsom is fascism.

They both have said, like, hey, this is a big time, we need to close down the economy.

You know, like, I think it's for whatever reason, because Trump's, at times, rhetoric says, hey, we're, we're, you know, we want to open this up and we, we want to get out there.

When are we going to get out there by Easter?

But then he himself had the lockdown several weeks past Easter, right?

Like he's looking at this, I think, and trying to judge it with the best

scientific knowledge that's coming into him.

And Musk is

saying it's time.

I think it is time.

This is Texas.

We've started to open it up, and I think we've done it.

Are you wearing masks outside?

Do you wear masks outside?

No.

Are you wearing masks outside?

No, I don't wear them outside.

Do you wear them doing

them into a store?

Oh, do you?

Yeah.

Sometimes, you know, I mean, it depends on the situation.

I feel like it's interesting because I've been to one store with 100% mask usage.

Really?

Whole Foods.

It's the only place I've been into that whole market.

Right.

And that's probably the absolute safest place to not wear a mask because everyone else is wearing a mask.

Yep.

If I go, there's some stores where no one's wearing them, and that's actually the place you probably should wear them, which is kind of counterintuitive.

Did you guys see the video of the real estate agent in Miami whose client apparently

went against her better judgment, the realtor's better judgment, and didn't wear a mask or gloves to an appointment.

Watch this.

You're just a tad upset about it.

Like, seriously, woman.

And then she's coughing two seconds later.

Like, it's no fing big deal.

We're in this because of f ⁇ ing like that because people out there on their boats doing all their bull partying no I'm not jealous no I'm not because you know what I have a fing yacht I could go out with my friends and party but there's a time and place for everything and now is not the time and place now is the time and place to be taking care of yourselves and the people around you there are people dying there people in hospitals risking their lives because of

like you who won't wear your mask who don't wear your gloves who don't wear practice social distancing there's somebody who's not afraid of party town but the truth is you know what there's a time and place for partying and everything now is not the time to party this what oh wow only in miami only in day only in florida let me do it for a fing video for a fing meeting for a

tick tock wear your mask wear your gloves and we're gonna be quarantined all the way to September and we may be spending New Year's in our house because of you f out there who don't wear your mask and you know what I give a fing rep

you guys

don't like me and you know what you delete me me off your social media you'll probably be doing me a favor I don't need like you wear your mask wear your gloves so we can get the f out of our house you dumb

here's what I would suggest yeah you shouldn't drive while thank you while recording she's got one hand you can see it in her glasses she's got one hand on the steering wheel and the other one on her phone what if you know it's effing people like you that are killing people on the roadways I really thought at the the end she was going to crash into something at the end of that video.

I thought that's all I was waiting for.

It would have been great.

Yeah.

You know

I guess,

well, it would have been appropriate.

You know,

I find this also

intriguing as she is

she is yelling about this.

I'm guessing she didn't sell the house.

I'm guessing she left the house.

I'd say that's a good thing.

And didn't.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I wonder if the woman would have said, okay, let's sign a contract.

I wonder if that rant would have happened.

No way.

And probably not.

No way.

And the other thing is the glove situation, when you go into the store wearing gloves and then you touch something,

you're already contaminated right there.

You need to change the gloves after you touch anything.

So if you have enough glove changes with you

to change them out after every single touch, like you're touching a cereal box that has been handled by 40 other people.

Right.

Well, and the coolest thing isn't even science, right?

I mean, like, it's, you know, it's much better to actually have touched something bad and then wash your hands than to have it on your gloves.

Then you take it off.

A lot of people would touch whatever is on the outside of their gloves if they don't take it off properly.

And then what?

Use that as an excuse to not wash their hands.

Well, you should wash your hands after that anyway.

You know, the mask thing, I think, you know, the science on that is, you know, look, there's a good, they say about 70 to 80 percent

drop on how many droplets could get through if someone sneezes in your face, basically.

Which is, look, it's

people sneezing.

Very infrequently, but I mean, it only ticks once, as you very recently found out.

I did for my grandson, who sneezed directly in my face.

And yes, I did get sick.

It's better than having

having your daughter vomit in your mouth, which I've had.

That sounds worse.

Definitely worse.

No mask is helping you from that, I will say.

Yeah.

No, daddy, I have a tummy ache.

Well, what does it it feel like?

Yeah, it was not good.

It was not good.

I mean, you know, as far as I know, Glenn, you haven't been out at all.

So you probably don't have to worry about masks because you haven't gone out to dinner or anything.

You haven't taken advantage of any of our Texas freedoms yet.

I'm really liking staying at home.

I'm really loving it.

There is a chance.

If there wasn't a camera in my house that I had to show up every day, I might look like Howard Hughes at this point.

I may have just a long beard and really long, creepy fingernails and be like, I'm just peeing in bottles now and leaving them outside of the door.

It's a very detractive idea.

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I'm actually very, I'm enjoying it.

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But

it's ridiculous because nobody knows what they're doing.

Did you see, I saw somebody yesterday, where was it on TV?

They were wearing the mask and they were talking, but they had the mask just over their mouth, not over their nose.

And I'm like, that's not doing you any good.

Yeah.

That's not doing you.

And you know what I like is when they take their glove hand and they pull down the mask so they can talk to you.

Well, you've just contaminated your gloves and your mask.

Right, yeah.

So why do you have them on?

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My favorite are the people like at Home Depot that are wearing gloves and their gloves are like black from wearing them all day.

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Right.

It doesn't happen with gloves.

That's true.

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And she goes all the way, you know, all the way back to November 2016.

And what's interesting to me is she is the stuff that we are now finding out that

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Hello, America, and welcome to the Glen Beck Program.

It's Tuesday.

There is a ton going on.

We're now rewriting history in real time.

Cuomo came out yesterday and talked about this European virus.

European virus?

What are you talking about?

The coronavirus.

Now it's European and nobody says anything about it.

That's totally cool.

Meanwhile, the president is almost attacked by a CBS reporter

called racist because he said, ask China.

Ask China about these questions.

Why are you asking you racist?

Oh my gosh, I can't take it.

Meanwhile, there are some big things that are happening.

It looks like ObamaGate is a real thing.

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It's a clash of the titans and the one person I trust to take us through it is Cheryl Atkinson, host of Full Measure Investigative Reporter.

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You know,

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turn off the radio or look for some other voice because that person most likely is lying to you.

The thing I like about Cher Ocketson is she takes on both sides.

She won an Emmy Award for Outstanding Investigative Journalism for the business of Congress, which included an undercover investigation into fundraising by Republican freshmen.

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Cheryl, how are you?

I'm great, Glenn.

How are you?

Good.

I read your story this morning and I wanted to get you on because I wondered if you could take us through what is happening with this so-called ObamaGate and kind of explain it in layman's terms and tie it to your story that you just wrote, which is incredible about all of the news inaccuracies over the last few years.

I think that a lot of the conspiracy theories we heard about four years ago that I didn't put much stock in because they sounded so far-fetched in some cases have to a large degree proven through documentary evidence and testimony to be absolutely true.

No one's more surprised than I am because, again, it just seemed like who would do that?

And what I'm talking about is...

Go ahead.

Yeah, I was just going to say, help me out on which conspiracy theories, because that's what everybody says about both sides now.

conspiracy theories

so this one is the notion that when President Trump became a viable candidate for office and threatened both a Democrat and Republican establishment the money system and what's perhaps even worse threatened to bring in Lieutenant General Michael Flynn who let's say knew where the bodies were buried and the intelligence community knew he was going to upend abuses and corruption that he knew about, there became a desperate attempt to make sure that that didn't happen.

And that included attempts to try to find anybody surrounding the Trump campaign who maybe had been to Russia so that it would be easier to justify getting a wiretap against those people through which they could capture President Trump's communications and try to controversialize him and make sure that he didn't serve as an effective and complete president.

I think that's what we've seen.

That's why they targeted Flynn.

You remember,

President Obama met with President-elect Trump in the White House, and before any of these conversations that Flynn had with the Russian ambassador that were controversial, before any of this happened, President Obama reportedly told Trump, don't hire Flynn.

Why do you think that is?

But I think it's pretty clear now based on, again, the documentary evidence that there was an effort when Trump hired Flynn anyway to go after him.

And as the handwritten notes of one Department of Justice official said, do we want to get him to lie?

Is that the goal so that we can get him fired or get him prosecuted?

And that's exactly what it appears they did.

So, Cheryl, take me through the

argument or the back and forth of the president knew about this, the president didn't know about this,

and

why that's important,

these meetings that the president was involved in.

Which meetings are you talking about?

Sorry.

The meetings at the White House

where, you know, I think it was Clapper said, no, I didn't inform the president.

The president didn't know anything about this.

And we now find out that they did have a meeting

and they were talking about the FBI investigation was coming to an end and he said, no, keep it open, keep it going.

Ah, President Obama.

I'm sorry.

I was thinking President Trump.

Oh, yeah, sorry.

President Trump.

Obama.

I have not dug into that yet, so I just don't have any particular insight.

But the question that's been raised by the new information that's coming out, three to four years later, by the way, after we should have had it, this is public information, in my view.

It goes to the heart of potential criminal wrongdoing and national security, but this was kept hidden even by people working for President Trump for the past couple of years until now.

But what we're getting at the heart of now is how high up this went.

There has been a steady stream of documentation from the Inspector General and documents and congressional inquiries as to the participation in wrongdoing, including in the foreign intelligence surveillance court, improper wiretaps by FBI officials, the doctoring of a document by an FBI lawyer.

Well, we know all that now, but how high did it go?

Did all of this happen sort of under the radar without the top authorities knowing?

Or did President Obama play a role in helping to direct this?

Did his top national security advisor and officials, what role did they play?

I think we're finally getting at the heart of

some of those questions.

And I would tell you that in general,

it defies credulity to think that all of this was being done at that level, the way it was being done without the knowledge of top officials.

So what were they, when you said Flynn wanted to go, Obama would respond, no, the guy's a racist.

I didn't like the way he was,

he spoke about Islam, et cetera, et cetera.

What are the bodies that Flynn would have known that

Obama didn't want uncovered?

Well, I'll tell you a couple of things I know about, and this is before 2016, through my sources in the intelligence community.

I knew that they were wiretapping political figures and journalists, not just me, other people.

A lot of people improperly, and I would say illegally, being monitored, perhaps blackmailed, or at least leverage used over people that knew they were being monitored or had been monitored.

These are really big things

that I think have been going on for years.

Edward Snowden revealed some of this.

Some of it we little little bit we found out about with revelations about the Obama administration getting subpoenas against Associated Press and that sort of thing.

But I think a far greater danger, there were more under the table efforts, not even legal subpoenas that were being secretly given against the press.

I think there were a lot more shenanigans being conducted inside our intelligence agency for the past 15 years.

And top people, Brennan and Clapper, head of the Director of National Intelligence and head of the CIA, on multiple occasions that I've documented on a timeline at CherylAtkinson.com,

provided false information to Congress.

They were part of spying on the Senate Intelligence Committee, but then providing misleading information when asked about it, then having to ultimately admit it and apologize.

I mean, if you think about it, it almost starts to, when you look at the timeline, look like they were spying on practically everybody.

Who weren't they spying on?

This is not allowed under our Constitution and in our country.

And I think Clin knew a lot about a lot of this.

And going into 2016, I was told this was one thing that many people inside the intelligence community, the bad actors, not the good actors, but something that they feared.

So this is the worst case scenario, I think, for all Americans.

I don't care if you're left or right.

I don't care if you love Obama or love Trump.

It doesn't matter.

This is awful

and leads us into a completely dystopian

world.

Do you believe there's enough there, and are there any journalists out there that are part of the mainstream that this will affect enough to where they will say, we got to put partisan politics aside.

this

has to be uncovered

I just think a lot of the deep diggers who would view things that way and just go where the facts lead that's not being done at a lot of the mainstream news organizations anymore they're just taking handout propaganda or comments from anonymous sources on one side or the other and publishing them that's not a lot of real work or digging going into this this takes real work I've seen people like Glenn Greenwald of The Intercept and a couple of other places, including some less leaning publications that have actually dug deep because their interest lies in intersects in some cases with the interests of the right, where these privacy invasions have happened, no matter who's committing them, or these constitutional violations.

I have seen some deep digging, but it's not being done at what I guess you would call the traditional mainstream outlets.

All right.

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Go through some of the highlights here in just a second.

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Cheryl Atkinson,

you have written the definitive list of media mistakes.

Tell me why this is important and why you did it, first of all.

Because without the complicitcy, what's the word?

Not complacent, but the complicit media, that a lot of these problems that have happened wouldn't be possible.

The media helped convince the press, for example, that

for two and a half, three years, that the president was a Putin-Russian stooge by suspending the normal ethical guidelines that require us to not use anonymous sources unless certain things are done, to check our facts.

And they've basically, in large groups, lifted their ethical standards and guidelines to cover this president.

And they've stated the reason they're doing that is because he's so uniquely dangerous.

And I've always argued that's even more important when we don't like some of the we're covering.

It's more important than ever to stand by our ethics and standards.

And we're just not.

And these mistakes, which are happening at the most formerly well-respected news outlets in the world, mistakes that shouldn't happen in journalism college are being committed over and over again.

and universally on one side.

If they were accidental, you might expect some of the mistakes, at least half or at least a few, would benefit President Trump.

And maybe there's some I've missed, but I've been looking and I have not found any big media mistakes that have benefited President Trump.

Yeah, that's what I said about the Chuck Todd thing over the weekend.

You know, they said, oh, we inadvertently, no, you didn't.

No, you didn't.

You have a problem.

Chuck Todd should have known the full Sod, should have known the full

clip, but he apparently didn't, or he just acted like he didn't.

You have the editor.

they cut it you have the producer no one no one along the line thought that that was unfair no one said hey what did he say right after this is that really what he said they just seem to have this the feeling that they're bad if it's not on this one they've done something else i mean just get them and look any amateur any amateur should have known on the chuck todd quote If someone hands you a quote today, I mean, and I would have done this years ago, but especially especially today, I would say, I want to see the whole thing with my own eyes in context.

I want to see the whole transcript myself and read it.

I would never look at a short excerpt of something and think that that told the whole story.

It almost never does, by the way, when I check out an original source, when you hear some sort of

outrageous clip or accusation, my take when I go view something original is almost always different than the one I'm getting on the news, which is bad.

what did you find?

What are the highlights of this that really stick out to you, Cheryl, on this list?

Well, you know, I compile, I started this, Glenn, when I think I was at about 30 or 50 and I just keep adding to it.

But I would say really one that set the tone for me was on President Trump's inauguration day.

There was a false report by,

gosh, I don't have it in front of me.

I want to say Time, but I don't want to peg them if it wasn't them.

But a major news, national news publication falsely said that President Trump had removed the bus statue of Martin Luther King from the Oval Office.

Right.

Never happened.

And

this would have been so easy.

This is where the basic tenets of journalism weren't followed.

If you think you saw the bus statue removed from the Oval Office, your obligation as a reporter is to, hey, tap someone on the shoulder in the Secret Service or call the White House press office or or do something to verify, am I right about that?

Because that was wrong.

But that report circulated the globe within an hour.

And of course, the Maya culpa that, oh, that didn't really happen, those never are seen by the same number of people.

And that, I think, set the tone because that was the narrative that President Trump is racist, a narrative that never existed until Media Matters created it through one of their affiliates, you know, shortly before the 2016 election, but that served the narrative.

And when these things serve a narrative, these reporters seem to just toss aside, again, basic journalism 101 and decide they don't have to verify facts or check their information or anything.

It's really shocking.

So

do you see, for instance, in this ObamaGate thing?

I mean, I can't think of something.

President Obama is right about one thing.

The rule of law is at stake.

He's just on the wrong end of it, I think.

If we don't fix this, Cheryl,

we spiral into something that is really dark and dystopian, I believe.

And it looks as though we're going to have half the country believing one side that has been proven to be wrong over and over again

or, you know, or the other side.

We can't live like this.

Is anything going to be done?

Will anyone actually go to jail on this?

What happens from here?

I think there will be, and I was told back in 2016 when this started by some Intel insiders, they thought people would go to prison, and they told me who they thought should go to prison, some top people.

But

I don't have any great faith that important people that pulled strings will.

I mean, I even hear people in the face of the obvious things that have happened based on documentation we have, I still hear people, you know, members of the Republican Party say things like, well, you know, we'll have to see if they didn't dot this I or cross this T.

And I'm thinking

it's not whether they broke a specific tiny law.

It's the overarching coup theory here that's that's really important.

Cheryl Atkinson, thank you so much from full measure.

We'll tweet this article out in just a few minutes.

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I just have to play this amazing interaction between a CBS news reporter and Donald Trump.

Listen.

Said many times that the U.S.

is doing far better than any other country when it comes to testing.

Yes.

Why does that matter?

Why is this a global competition to you if every day Americans are still losing their lives and we're still seeing more cases every day.

Well they're losing their lives everywhere in the world and maybe that's a question you should ask China.

Don't ask me.

Ask China that question okay when you ask them that question you may get a very unusual answer.

Yes, behind you please.

No, she doesn't

sit back down.

Specifically I'm telling you.

I'm not saying it specifically to anybody.

I'm saying it to anybody that would ask a nasty question like that.

Please go ahead.

Why does it matter?

okay uh anybody else please go ahead in the back please I have two questions no it's okay but you pointed to me I have two questions mr next next please but you didn't you called on me I did and you didn't respond and now I'm calling on sorry I just want the young lady in the back please I just wanted to let my colleague finish if we can ask you ladies and gentlemen thank you very much appreciate it

thank you very much

This is exactly the way he should have handled it.

He should have handled it this way.

First of all, in case you weren't watching Blaze TV or just listening to it, this woman, she stands up, she's from CBS, she's wearing her face mask,

and he says, you should ask China about that.

She then sits down.

He calls on the woman behind her, and she stands up, but walks forward and looks at the other girl from CBS and says, Do you want to continue?

And that's when she leans up into the mic and says, Yeah, why would she takes her mask off?

Yeah, why would you ask me?

Now she's fully revealed as an Asian woman, and she was hinting that the president is just a racist.

Which you couldn't see.

The president,

like

you legitimately could not, you had no idea what

nationality she may have been or whatever heritage she had until she takes her mask off and then blames him for knowing what was behind the mask.

Maybe he did.

Right.

But trying to

say it's racism.

And he says that all the time.

Ask China.

Ask China.

When you're asking me questions, maybe you should ask China some of these questions.

Now, what's amazing about this in another

sense is the fact that her question is,

you continually say we're doing better than other countries.

Why is this a global competition?

Okay.

Wait.

So now the president, because the president was under attack for so long saying, We're behind every other country.

We're not doing it like all these other countries.

We're going it alone.

We're doing all these crazy things.

Maybe we should listen to the other countries.

Now, when he says we're doing better than all those other countries, now why is it a global competition?

This is why the president is so frustrated.

And I think why the American people are so frustrated.

Ask some damn questions that actually matter.

Now,

the reason why the president is saying ask China is because there is growing evidence that China screwed something up in a lab and accidentally, maybe, released this coronavirus.

Do you think that's maybe important?

Maybe we should talk about our bioweapons labs all around the world.

Who should have them?

Who shouldn't have them?

You know,

what is the state of China's ethics and the security at their labs?

This is the real question:

why was the world unprepared?

We were unprepared because China lied to everyone.

But they don't want to ask that question.

Instead, they want to make sure that everybody knows it's racist to say, you know what?

In fact, I don't think I can do the rest of this segment.

Do we have the coronavirus flu, please?

Thank you.

This is just a little theme song we just put together.

yes

all right so

it's the china flu because that's where it came from it should be called the wuhan flu that's how we do the spanish flu that was mislabeled but we went with that

that's what we thought at the time it came from spain it didn't come from spain Spain.

Okay,

but we still call it the Spanish flu.

This one we know came from Wuhan.

It's the Wuhan flu.

Or as our theme song says, the China flu.

Now,

the president is getting hammered for being technically accurate.

and following the way we always name diseases.

Always.

He's getting hammered, but you know who didn't get hammered yesterday?

I'll play the clip from Cuomo, will you?

When we started this,

yes, we have more cases than anyone else.

Yes, we had this European virus attack us and nobody expected it.

We're not only going to change our trajectory,

we're going to change our trajectory more dramatically than any place

else in the nation.

Why is this a competition?

Why is this a competition, Governor Cuomo?

And should I ask the Europeans why you're calling it a European virus?

Oh my

god.

You could maybe call it a European mutation, but I think that actually is on the West Coast, isn't it?

The European mutation?

Well, I mean, look, regardless of

where it came from, if it came from Europe, where did Europe get it?

Like, Like, what is the point of this?

I have no idea.

Yeah, I got news for you guys.

Sarah,

do we have the other China virus?

Because it makes me, I mean, you know, we did the China flu thing and, you know, that was cute and everything, but it makes me want to go to the other theme.

Do we still have that other theme?

All right.

Yeah, look that up.

I can't take it.

The media is just ridiculous on this.

You know, I went back, it was late March when we were having, remember he had these testing issues at the beginning of March, which was a real problem.

And we started to ramp up testing.

And it was in late March where Science magazine came out and they said

the U.S.

has been behind in testing.

South Korea is completing an amazing, I think the quote was an amazing, a staggering, staggering 15,000 tests a day.

15,000 tests a day.

Later that week, the United States passed 15,000 tests a day.

And then the press made this argument constantly.

Well, you haven't tested as many people overall.

And then we passed South Korea in overall testing.

Then they started making the argument, well, per capita, it is way behind what South Korea has done.

Well, now we are to the point where per capita, we are miles ahead.

of South Korea and still the questions come in about how bad our testing is.

Like there is never, the goalpost gets gets moved every single time we make it to the end zone.

And this is a massive problem for the media because they are solely focused on finding something they can just, you know,

hammer the president and hammer the job we've done.

When, you know, look, when you look at the global picture, we've done a lot better than a lot of places.

But New York has not.

New York Health Department, we found out, just had sent out 1,600 damaged coronavirus tests for nursing homes.

They were unusable.

Hmm.

So they sent those out to nursing homes.

Meanwhile, as we pointed out last week, Governor Cuomo instituted a policy that forced nursing homes to take in COVID patients, and that's why New York State had more deaths in their nursing homes than the rest of the country combined.

He just announced yesterday officially putting an end to that policy that is forcing the nursing homes to take COVID patients.

So he is saying things like,

you know, the European virus.

Oh, it's a European virus.

To keep in the good graces of the left and the left media.

They can only cover him for so long.

If they turn on him, he's toast, and he knows it.

He knows it.

So he's got to give them the little gems along the way so they can pick those up and gain a little bit more power and he gets more friendship power with those little gems.

Because he's awful.

Awful.

This, this, this

nursing home thing is awful.

Seriously, they knew it.

The nursing homes were begging for this to be changed.

He did nothing.

He denied even knowing anything about it when his name and signature was on

the policy.

Yeah.

How did he not know about it?

Yeah, he did.

And it's not better if he didn't know, is it?

I mean, it's a terrible idea if he's running this response.

And the single most important decision probably of the entire response would be, do you decide to import COVID-positive patients into nursing homes with the most vulnerable people in our society to this virus?

And he said, yeah, we should.

And then when they said, Well, what about what if we test some people to make sure as they're coming in, they're not positive?

Can we do that?

They said, No, you are banned from testing people who are asymptomatic from COVID-19.

He did that, and then he finally did reverse it yesterday, which is incredibly late.

But we should also point out, he continues a policy

which seems to be unique to the entire United States, where he is reporting deaths in nursing homes only if they actually died at the nursing home.

So if they are a nursing home resident that goes to the hospital, he is not reporting it as a nursing home death, which every other state in the union appears to be doing, which is why his numbers for nursing home deaths are actually considerably lower than reality, despite being the worst in the country.

And he continues to do this as well.

No reporter has asked him about it yet, but it continues to go on to this day.

well it just

makes me want to play the other

china virus

i think this i think trump should play this every time

we're going to talk about the

the chin

now it may be too far it may be too

too far and very offensive uh but just

Just for the journalists, I think it should be played.

With apologies to every Asian American, every Asian ever born, now, in the past, in the future, really.

But just to goad the journalists, I think every time he talks about the Jedi virus, that should play.

Now, I just hope that they don't have a theme for the European virus, which is really what's hurt our country.

You know,

this Italy.

Well, we'll find one.

We'll get a, you know, we'll get a, I don't know what you call those little squeeze box things from

Italy, or we'll get a new pop-pop band from Germany, and we'll make that.

And you know what?

No one would have a problem with it.

Not one person would have a problem with it.

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Well, if you want to get some really good advice, what you need to do is listen to the Democrats on coronavirus because they've been right all the way along.

Here they are.

The risk to New Yorkers for coronavirus is low, and our city preparedness is high.

This should not stop you from going about your life, should not stop you from going to Chinatown and going out to eat.

I'm going to do that today myself.

Come to Chinatown.

Here we are.

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come join us.

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The facts are reassuring.

We want New Yorkers to go about their daily lives.

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Americans do not need to panic.

What I would suggest, however, is that Americans take this as a wake-up call for seasonal flu.

There's very little threat here.

This disease, even if it were to get it, basically acts like a common cold or flu.

So we're telling New Yorkers: go about your lives, take the subway, go out, enjoy life, and certainly not to miss the parade next Sunday.

I'm going to be there.

If you had to, would you close down the borders?

No.

We need to be honest about the American people, with the American people, about the fact that we can't keep people coming here from China.

And transmission is not that easy.

I think there's been a misperception that coronavirus hangs in the air waiting to catch you.

No, it takes direct person-to-person contact.

We also know that if it were likely to be transmitted casually, we would be seeing a lot more cases.

Right, right, because this is New York and you're in elevators and trains with everybody all the time.

Unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

Of course, you know, nobody will ever hold them responsible.

We will.

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Megan Kelly and her interview with Tara Reed coming up in one minute.

Megan

asked

every question that I would ask Tara Reed, and she joins us next.

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Welcome to the program, Megan Kelly.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn.

Good to see you.

Oh, good to see you.

I didn't know you were going to be on Skype as well.

Great.

Glad to have you.

How did I make it for you?

Wow.

Thank you.

Thank Thank you.

So, Megan, I watched your

interview.

I've watched it twice now.

I honestly, very rarely do I say there's no question left on the table because I wanted to try to get her and I think she chose you

instead, obviously.

But

I thought I had some real questions for her.

You handled all of them.

How did you find her

personally?

Well, personally, she was delightful.

You know, she was perfectly kind, warm.

She's been through the ringer.

You could see that too.

This is not a woman of great means.

And, you know, when I got to her, she had, I think, the night before hired, well, not hired.

She's not paying him, but gotten a lawyer and a PR person for the first time in this whole thing.

So she, for the first time, felt a little bit more steady.

You know, she's had no protection and she's out there.

You know, know, she's on a very thin reed and she's getting it from all sides.

And she's got no team, Glenn.

You know what I mean?

There's no natural constituency backing her.

So she was a little, I don't know if the word's fragile, but maybe just a little unsteady.

So, how shocked do you think she was?

Because I say this to people all the time.

They say, I want to come out and take a stand, or I just want to agree with whatever.

And I'll say to people all the time, are you really aware?

People don't know Megan until, unless they've lived your your life or my life or tara's life now

how

horrible uh the media and social media can be i mean there it is a business of destroying people now oh yeah it's how

shocked how shocked was she by that and what kind of damage has been done to her well i mean i think she was expecting to have her credibility questioned you know you you you better be if you're going to come out and accuse somebody running for president of something as serious as this.

She's not, she's no dummy.

She understood she was going to take hits in terms of whatever, you know, is she credible?

Does the story make sense?

But, you know, her bankruptcy got posted online.

They're going back to 1993 and looking for, did she bounce a check?

It's like, you know what?

I put myself through law school and you want to go back and look at my bounce checks.

You're going to find a lot of them.

You know, it doesn't mean I'm not a credible person.

A lot of us were poor when we were in our 20s.

And so I think that part of it has been rough.

The somebody posted a picture and her address of her daughter, who's, you know, in her 20s, and that's messed up.

She's getting death threats over this.

Just, you know, the media is totally irresponsible and people are so nasty and social media is so awful.

So I think she's, she's a little rattled, but, you know, all things considered, she was holding it together.

Okay.

So has the Me Too movement changed anything?

I mean, if you accuse the right person, it's good.

If you

accuse the wrong person, it's not.

I mean,

has it changed anything for women?

I mean, because if I were a woman and I had a story to tell, I would be terrified after seeing what's happening to her.

Well, I will say this.

I think political accusers, you know, accusers in a political race get it the worst, right?

It's like, not that like the Harvey Weinstein accusers had it so rate.

For God's sake, Rose McGowan

secret agents following her and trying to dupe her.

If you come forward, whether it's Trump, Biden, Roy Moore, you know, as an accuser in an election year, you're going to get it worse because as we've seen with Tara Reed, even constituencies that might naturally support you are now suddenly very suspicious of you.

So I think that's rough.

But to your question about the Me Too movement, it's done some good.

I think there's no question it's done some good in calling attention to the fact that there is harassment in the workplace.

Most women

for most of time have just gone along with it because we kind of were told this is how you make it in a man's world.

And so just sort of putting that asterisk in people's minds, like this is is a thing.

And, you know, you should probably at least listen when a woman comes forward and actually putting things in women's heads that they can come forward if they have something, all good.

But

the pendulum, you know, which was over here when it came to women's allegations, like when I was in college back in the early 90s, if you came out with a rape allegation, you were probably going to be dismissed a lot more easily than you would be today.

So the pendulum needed to swing.

But like so many of these things, we've overcorrected to a point where now the accused, they haven't been getting due process.

You can make a single allegation that's unsupported and ruin a guy's career over 30 years.

That's not okay either.

You know, we've got to get to a place where we settle, where the women are taken seriously or the men accusing.

They're heard, but due process is afforded to the person being accused.

So if Tara Reed is the person who can do that by exposing the hypocrisy of some of the Democrats who have, you know, with the believe all women nonsense, which was never sincere, then she's done good for the country.

And, you know, we'll see whether her allegation has impact beyond that.

Okay, so I want to come back to the listening versus believing and the impact on politics and stuff in a second.

But I want to go, you know, you just said if you made a rape allegation in the 80s or 90s, you would have been in trouble.

And what they probably would have done is slut shamed you.

And I noticed a little bit of this with her answers.

First, wear a, you know, stop wearing short skirts.

And she said, I wasn't wearing short skirts.

I was just wearing stuff off the rack.

But then I thought one of the most uncomfortable things that she said, because I think she knew

and

she felt the old slut-shaming kind of thing about her underwear.

and how,

without getting graphic, how Biden gained access.

And you could see she was uncomfortable with that because of her mother, and she didn't want to tell her mother that.

And that makes sense to me.

And it makes sense to me that she wouldn't want to say anything.

And it makes sense to me that

she understood the slut-shaming thing that she's asking for it.

Look at her skirt.

I'll put my

lawyer hat on now and argue it both ways, right?

You can say she was uncomfortable having that discussion because she didn't really want to reveal to the world that she was wearing what I think she was saying were crotchless underwear to work at the U.S.

Senate because she was supposed to see her boyfriend later.

And that was her story.

Or you could say she seemed uncomfortable because she wasn't telling the truth

because she had to explain how he could gain access under her skirt so quickly.

And

there's a belief by some on Capitol Hill that all the women back then in 92, 93 were wearing pantyhose, that it was

either an unwritten rule or an actual rule if you had to wear pantyhose on your legs, and therefore Biden couldn't have done this.

So that's up to the the viewer.

I really believe,

over the course of a 40-minute interview like that, they'll walk away with a good sense as to whether they're seeing a truth teller or not.

Did you see a truth-teller or not?

Well, I'm not going to opine on my own personal belief because I want to continue reporting on this case, and I, you know, I shouldn't choose a sign.

I mean, I definitely have my own belief, but it's irrelevant.

So,

the

Karen person that is not her real name.

Can you tell me, uh,

tell me about, and not, I don't know, I don't want to know who she is, but tell me about her and why she is important and why she's not comfortable coming out.

Okay, so Karen is by far Tara Reed's best witness.

Tara has, you know, a corroborating witness.

that is far more compelling than anything we saw from Christine Blasey Ford.

I mean, far more compelling.

Far more.

I mean, there's no contest.

And anybody who tells you differently is lying to you.

Karen is the person who was friends with Tara on Capitol Hill and was in Ted Kennedy's office as a young intern at the time.

They befriended one another.

And Tara told Karen contemporaneously with the alleged assault that it had happened.

And according to Karen, Tara's never deviated in a single detail over 30 years about what allegedly happened that day.

Now, I've spoken with Karen at length.

She's a professional.

She's smart.

She's on it.

You know, you talk to her and you're like, okay, this is a very credible person who's been successful in her life.

But at best, what that establishes for Tara is that Tara told Karen this happened.

It doesn't prove that it actually happened.

And so, you know, you would have to believe there's something a little wacky about Tara, right?

That she would back then be making a story like this.

But Glenn, that happens sometimes.

Sometimes that does happen.

I'm not saying it happened here, but people do need to allow for the possibility that Tara did make that up and has been telling witnesses for 30 years because it's a story that somehow meant something to her and she decided to spread it.

Okay, so I want to, let me take a one-minute break and then I'm going to come back with you, Megan, and

follow up.

there,

that we

have to,

you know, give the benefit of the doubt that maybe she did make that up and there's another screw loose we don't know we'll go there here in just a second one minute back with megan kelly

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So you said to one of my producers, Megan, that the media's coverage, no, no, no, sorry, that it is a haunting case in more ways than one.

That's a quote from you.

Why?

What do you mean by that?

Because if it's true, it's deeply disturbing information about Joe Biden.

Deeply disturbing.

I mean, it's sick.

What kind of a man would, in passing in a Senate hallway, when seeing a young staff assistant sexually assault her, right?

If you give her the benefit of the doubt and say, I believe her, do you really want that man as president, right?

And if it's not true,

then this is sort of one of those situations where you got to ask, what's happened to the country, where someone can make an allegation, it can besmirch a former vice president, a former U.S.

senator, and all the media now, finally, is talking about it.

And, you know, it's just very easy to sort of put that ring around somebody's neck, maybe unfairly.

But the number one thing I want to say about the haunting nature of it is it just exposed how

just

how false

these people who are pretending they're women's advocates are.

It upsets me as a woman, as somebody who actually has stood for female empowerment for my entire life.

I don't call myself a feminist, but I defy anybody to challenge me on standing up for female empowerment.

I've done it and I have a career that proves it.

However,

the nonsense by these people who were protesting against Brett Kavanaugh, who were vicious against him, I mean vicious.

Remember those women who stormed the Capitol and were just calling the worst possible names?

The 180 that they have done now that the allegations are against a Democrat trying to take down Trump is disgusting to me.

Disgusting.

So, Megan, that brings me to the place where I was under Trump, under Kavanaugh.

And Kavanaugh was a little different because

I went in to listen to her testimony and I was open-minded.

I don't know.

Kavanaugh, I didn't know at all.

I wanted to hear her.

By the end, I was like, well, maybe I don't think so, but maybe.

And then I listened to Kavanaugh.

They didn't have anything.

And so how could you possibly do it?

But even if you,

even if you do believe that maybe

this happened,

what do you do with that knowledge?

I mean, these people who are coming out and saying, I believe he did do it, but I'm going to vote for him anyway.

That I don't understand.

Because

I can make their case.

Their case is Trump's worse.

They think, well, he was accused by over 12 women of some sort of harassment or assault.

So, you know, if I got a

pick,

I'll go with the guy who's got my team letter on, the big D on the

right.

But if you are one that said, how can these people vote for Donald Trump?

Because he's so awful, he did these things.

I have tried to stay,

listen to people, listen to the accusers.

They should not be believed.

They should be listened to and taken seriously.

Then when they

present evidence, weigh that evidence.

But I still am uncomfortable.

Tara is the closest I've come to where she has

a lot of evidence, but I don't want to destroy someone's career on my gut.

I don't, you know, this is not a good process.

I'll say this.

In both the Blasey Ford and the Tara Reed case, we're dealing with something similar.

The women didn't come forward until 30 or 40 years after the fact, right?

Blasey Ford was like 40, I don't know, and Tara's 30.

It is very hard to put a guy in that position of having to defend that.

You know, I mean,

the lack of memory, the absence of details, I mean, and I'll just take Biden's point of view for the moment.

If she had come forward a week after this happened or a month after this happened, he could go back, he could look at his date book, he could tell you where he was.

He could find witnesses who had just seen him.

He could, you know, there'd be a way to defend against the allegations.

Same for Kavanaugh, 100% same for Kavanaugh.

But when you're going to slap somebody with these allegations decades after the fact and then not even be specific about when, and I understand maybe the women genuinely don't understand when and where exactly,

it gets tougher to just give them the benefit of the doubt, right?

Because you're talking about destroying a person's career, their livelihood.

I mean, Brett Kavanaugh, they wanted to talk about what he did when he was allegedly or allegedly did when he was 16.

He went on to lead a stellar professional life, not even a whiff of an inappropriate allegation.

And all the time he was on the deceased target and so on.

And yet they were like, he must be destroyed.

You know, he's a rape apologist.

He's always, it's like, oh my God.

Now, Biden, he has a whiff.

There's been a whiff of inappropriate handsyness.

Oh, yeah.

But nothing approaching sexual assault of this nature.

But I just think we do put people in really tough positions.

It's not to say you shouldn't come forward if you have an allegation like this and you want to be heard, but it makes your case far less compelling the more time that goes on.

All right.

So I appreciate that you're going to stick with us through the next break.

When we come back, I want to talk to you a little bit about what's happening in Washington with General Flynn, with now what Trump is calling Obamagate.

And really, Megan, what I'm looking for is

who do we trust?

How can we survive as a nation if half of us believe one thing and the other half believes another?

And especially now that we, I just had Cheryl Atkinson on, and she just did a list of 130 lies the media has told about Donald Trump that are now provable, provable.

And yet they're going to be probably half the country that still goes along with them.

And there's no, there doesn't seem to be any consequence to anything anymore that's real.

So, who do we trust?

How do we find the truth?

We'll continue with Megan Kelly coming up in just a second.

Thank you so much for being on, Megan.

All right,

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We're thrilled to have Megan Kelly on with us for the full hour here, where she just did a terror read interview.

If you haven't seen it, you need to see it.

It really gets down to the bottom, and you're just going to have to decide whether you believe her or not.

And then, what do you do about that information?

Megan,

I asked you a question about who do we trust, but before we get to that, can you just tell me, the listener,

what is happening with the General Flynn, FBI, Barack Obama, ObamaGate, Donald Trump thing now?

What is this story really?

What's happening?

I mean, my view of it as a lawyer is the Obama administration unfairly set up and targeted General Flynn, and they got him, and they threatened his son, and he pleaded guilty, and then he decided that was a mistake and tried to undo it.

And this DOJ has said, you know what?

Yeah, we think it was partisan and we're going to come up with a reason to get rid of the charges against you.

So I do think it was probably, I mean,

what this DOJ is saying, well, you're lying, you lied, but it wasn't material.

So we didn't really have a case against you because it has to be both a lie and it has to be a material lie.

They're saying we didn't really have you on material because

he told the FBI that he hadn't had this conversation with the Russian ambassador when he had, coming into the Trump administration.

And they're saying it wasn't material.

So you know what?

Never mind.

Forget your guilty plea, forget everything.

And people are like, oh, it's totally cynical.

It's political.

It is material.

I mean, I think the bar for materiality is pretty low.

So if the DOJ had wanted to stick it to Flynn and continue, you know, going after him, they easily could have.

But I see it more as an evening of the scales.

I love how the press and Obama's defenders want to talk about the DOJ under President Obama.

Like it was this totally independent, highbrow, committed to only justice in the law organization.

Please, did anybody cover that DOJ?

Does anybody remember Eric Holder declaring himself an activist, that he was proud of it?

He got rid of all these career lawyers.

He replaced them with partisans who were loyal to him.

He didn't enforce the immigration laws that were on the books because that's what his boss, Obama, wanted.

Like, can you spare me the moralizing, right?

So I think Bill Barr, he evened the scales, and now we're back at, at least as far as Michael Flynn goes, when it comes to justice, we're back at zero.

Although I think Flynn would say, where do I go to get my reputation back?

I'm not crying too many years about that because, you know, you should tell the FBI the truth.

So I'm not too

out of either way.

So do you think there's anything to the

charges now that this was

a setup and that Obama was orchestrating a setup to hurt Donald Trump's campaign.

I don't know the answer to that.

I'll say this.

President Obama sure did have a lot of direct contacts with the FBI

in a way that was pretty unusual and that actually excluded

his person over at the DOJ, Sally Yates.

And why was he doing that?

I think we need to know more.

So I'm glad they're investigating it.

I am open-minded to the possibility that things may not have been completely kosher in the relationship between the executive branch and the DOJ and in particular the FBI under President Obama.

Now, Megan, I may have been really naive and stupid, and most of my life I have been.

But I remember in the good old days actually

trusting the Justice Department, you know, to

the most degree.

The FBI was credible with me.

It's not that they could do no wrong, but there would be a rogue agent or something.

I no longer believe in the justice system.

I don't believe in so many of these things because there's just too many questions and nobody ever seems to really come down to the answer.

It's always

political.

It's always political.

So how do we find the truth?

How do we survive without a media?

Who do you run to when you don't trust the police,

you don't trust the government, and you don't trust the watchdog, the media.

Who do you go to?

I have the same frustration, Glenn.

You know, early on in the COVID

story, I sent out a tweet saying, I'm so frustrated right now because, you know, essentially, President Trump does not have exactly what we'd call an adult relationship with the truth.

And the media is even worse.

They're even worse.

You know, it's like, I love how the media is like, Trump, he didn't have it right right on COVID in the very beginning of March, and he was lying and all this stuff.

And it's like, and we, the media, we were explaining everything to you, and you should have believed us.

And there's no self-reflection.

Why didn't we believe you?

You know, it's the classic boy who cried wolf.

For three years now, everything President Trump touches, anything that could damage his administration has been an 11.

It's an 11.

It's an 11.

Alert.

And now when they finally got to something that we really needed to pay attention to and they were like, another 11, most Americans were like, I don't trust you anymore.

I can see this could be damaging to President Trump.

And that's the last story I would trust the media on.

And I, I myself had that same feeling.

And I didn't trust Trump's information either when he had that presser and he was saying that he was shutting down travel from Europe, which only turned out to be partially true and kind of a mistake.

I am frustrated myself because I don't have like the one source I can go to where I'm like, okay, that person's going to be totally honest with me.

I have a couple that I listen to or that I read, but it's tough.

You got to actively work for it.

So

what happens to a republic when most people aren't going to read, they're not going to look into it themselves.

I hear from people all the time.

Clin, you say do your own homework.

How?

How?

I don't even know how to do my own homework.

And there are so many conspiracy theories.

And then on top of it, You have YouTube saying, you know, the average person in their basement, they don't have a valuable opinion.

We can censor those people.

Wait, that's what you built your business on.

And that only makes things worse.

You know, when they say,

if you disagree with the WHO, then you're not credible.

Well, wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

We should question the WHO.

And it's just feeding onto itself over and over again.

Well, and to your point about, you know, the FBI, I used to feel as you felt too.

I mean, I was sort of in the justice system for 10 years as a litigator, and I had nothing but reverence for the DOJ, for the Attorney General, for the FBI.

I mean, I had sort of been raised to believe in them and to give them complete benefit of the doubt.

I used to think Comey was, you know, like

a national hero, the story at the deathbed.

Like Comey, I really admired.

What a 180, right?

Now he, like, I see him so differently.

But it's a good lesson.

It's a good lesson.

You know, just because they get this sort of big badge, we shouldn't necessarily give them big deference.

And I, I mean, I will tell you what I do as somebody who's just a private citizen at the moment, you know, trying to figure life out.

Every morning, I go to realclearpolitics.com, and I've been doing this for over 10 years.

Realclearpolitics.com.

And they take an editorial from the left and one from the right, and they always have both sides of every issue.

And I read them both.

And Glenn, if you take...

One from the left and one from the right and put them kind of on top of each other, like transparency style, back from when we were in school,

a set of facts begins to emerge.

And you can see them being spun one way or the other, but you do emerge with a set of facts that each side is sort of grappling with.

And that's the best I know how to do right now.

As far as faith in government institutions, I think one of the good things Trump has done is rattle that.

You know,

if he hadn't thrown such a fit about the FBI, would we know what Comey is?

Would we know about Peter and Lisa and their texts and their affair and their willingness, their intent to get Flynn, among others?

We wouldn't.

So it's more information is better.

Are you concerned at all with the coronavirus of some of these states where, I mean, we don't even know if Elon Musk is going to be locked up today.

I kind of hope just because it'll be entertaining

because he will never let it go.

But

some of these states have been very draconian.

Are you concerned that the American people or

the spying, the adopting of new technologies that are for the virus, but I doubt they'll go away.

Are you concerned about any of that stuff?

I mean, what concerns me right now is how anyone who's focused on the 30 million unemployed wants to kill grandma, right?

That's the narrative in the press.

If you have any empathy for, concern about the economy, the people whose lives have been ruined by the loss of their livelihood, their lifelong job, their lifelong career,

you want people to die.

It's such a false narrative.

And I think, you you know, we're now at the point where we really have managed to flatten the curve at, like, for example, in my home state of New York.

And we have to get real about the fact that life is going to go on and human beings are not going to stay inside for much longer.

They're just not going to.

I mean, the notion that you can say we have to stay inside until we find a vaccine or we have to continue the life.

That's crazy.

Bull, bullony.

They're not going to do it.

That's not in our DNA as Americans.

And it's not because we don't care about grandma.

You know, it's just we,

freedom is built into us as a people.

And there's only so much people are willing to sacrifice of their own lives, their children's livelihoods, before they say we have to find a compromise.

We got to find a way that people can get back to work and we can still do something reasonable to mitigate the losses.

I think we I agreed at the time of shutting things down because of the overwhelming of the hospital systems.

We just couldn't do that.

But what we've done instead with the

shutting down of the entire economy for this long,

I worry about what's coming next with the economy.

I mean, I just.

I look at Governor Cuomo, right?

And

I'm a New Yorker.

In Governor Cuomo, New York, when he first started coming out with his press conferences, I was like, okay, I like this.

I like being told the good news and the bad news, and then I'll make up my own mind about whether I think your policy makes sense.

Now, it's totally morphed.

Like, now his line is really, truly like

one life, you know, one life makes all the difference, and we'll deal with the financial impact later.

Like, that's, that's not, since when is that U.S.

policy that we have to completely shut down all risk to any one life?

I mean, when you're talking about

life, that's one thing, but we can't keep the economy shut to protect one potential life.

You will have massive loss of life because the economy tanks.

Nobody's looking at that side.

And I got hammered from the left and seemingly everybody else by saying we are destroying lives and destroying rights

by trying to

hold up a right that none of us have a right to, and that is to always be safe.

There's no way possible for that to happen.

We don't have a right to just save one life by taking the rights away from everyone.

That's not a lie.

You weren't born with that right.

You are going to run into risk.

Nine times out of ten the people who i see you know lecturing people on how they ought to be they ought to be quiet about the economy are people who are journalists and who have jobs and steady paychecks you know how can you thank you somebody who goes to one of these protests and you know you shouldn't get too close and you should be respectful and the masks are good but like how can you judge somebody who can't pay their mortgage or their rent can't pay for their kids food or schooling and

trying to get their voice out there because they don't have a national microphone to say this is wrong and I matter too.

You know, I just, it upsets me the elitism I see amongst the journalists of like, oh, the Neanderthals who don't care about human life.

Megan, I don't know how you've stayed so normal, but I'm glad you have.

Thank you so much for all the work that you, uh, all the work that you do.

And stay healthy.

We'll talk again.

Thanks.

You too, my friend.

Good to see you.

You bet.

Megan Kelly, if you have not seen her interview with with Tara Reed, you need to.

I think it'll answer all of your questions that you might have on this Joe Biden thing.

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So, what did you think of Megan

and her analysis on things, too?

I thought she was great, honestly.

I mean, I think she was

a very smart perspective on those topics.

And, you know, she was able to...

There's just not a lot of people who do what she's doing anymore.

She doesn't come from a big partisan side of things, and she kind of just lays out what she thinks is true.

And I, at least at this point,

probably more than ever, value people who, at least I believe, are giving me their actual opinion.

Even if it's not right, at least I believe they're not manipulating it to try to fit some sort of market signal.

And I don't think.

She was very careful not to give her opinion, especially on Tara Reid.

She didn't give her opinion.

She gave a good analysis of what occurred.

And

it was nice to hear that, I think, where I'm not getting, I think if we went to some left-wing source who did that interview, you would see

the typical,

all of a sudden they wouldn't believe no women when they go to that side of it.

And if you went to a, you know, there is a lot of push for Reed to go do an interview with a much more partisan, conservative, Republican type of host.

And I don't think that would have done her story

any value.

I mean, I don't think it's bad for her to do it now, but I think the the first interview would be smart to go to somebody who could be, you know, who has played these issues and dealt with them very seriously in the past, but also would ask her tough questions.

And I think that was a good balance.

I think it was a smart move by Reed, actually.

I think if Megan's smart, I think what she's doing is she's setting herself up, and I hate to use this as an example, but it's the only one where

Barbara Walters was the one that you wanted to have to do the definitive interview with.

And if she continues down this path, that's what she will become.

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