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Well, hello, America.

It is Thursday, and what a great Thursday it's going to be.

We have some amazing, amazing stories to tell you today.

Some really great things that are happening, some updates on the news.

We have the

attorney general from the state of Texas, Ken Paxton, is going to be on.

Yesterday, he and the

governor were getting hammered, and I don't think for any real reason, because as soon as the story broke that we had a salon worker going to jail, the governor and the attorney general came out and said, this is insane and has got to stop.

He wants to make that point on today's broadcast.

Also, the media spinning stories to where even I think I got it wrong.

Somebody who used to be on the left and is now on the right, I guess, has given up on the media and called our office yesterday and said, Glenn's got something wrong about the protests in Michigan.

And somebody formerly from the left wants to defend now the Michigan protest.

That's coming up in about a half an hour.

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So there is a great story on the blaze yesterday.

It was written and updated.

Last I saw it was last night.

Fundraiser for Dallas salon owner Shelly Luther explodes by the minute after she is jailed for refusing to close her business.

And actually, that's not why she was jailed.

She was jailed because she refused to apologize to the judge.

Who called her selfish for opening the salon up.

In that yesterday, we played the audio of her where she said, I'm not selfish I have to disagree with you I'm quoting when you say that I'm selfish sir because feeding my kids is not selfish I have hairstylists that are going hungry because they'd rather feed their kids so sir if you think the law is more important than kids being fed then go ahead with your decision but I am not going to shut the salon So she wouldn't apologize and she wouldn't shut the salon.

So he put her in jail.

Well, we talked about this as an outrage yesterday, and

everybody seems to agree with that.

Well, I shouldn't say everybody.

Our audience certainly agrees with that.

The GoFundMe page that was set up to help her with her legal woes last night, let's see, at the time of this writing, the GoFundMe page has received more than 336,000 and rapidly continuing.

I checked it about six this morning.

Stu, can you check it real quick?

The Shelley Luther

GoFundMe page.

When I saw it, it was about 500,000.

It was just about to crack 500,000 this morning.

What is it now?

Do you know?

Just over 500,000 now.

Just over 500,000.

And I think this is fantastic, really fantastic.

Now, the governor came out yesterday and said, the Attorney General, in disagreeing with the excessive action by the Dallas judge, compliance with executive orders is important to ensure public safety.

However, surely there are less restrictive means to achieving that goal than jailing a Texas mother.

That seems a little light, but

we do have to have some rule of law.

And I think that we're in a really dicey situation.

These are not laws.

That's the problem.

These are all being done by

in many cases, unelected officials that are just in a department of whatever, and they're deciding.

Now, this judge, I think, was just way out of line.

So we have today, in about

an hour and 15 minutes, we have the Texas Attorney General who wrote yesterday, I find it outrageous and out of touch that during this national pandemic, a judge in a county that actually released hardened criminals for fear of contracting COVID-19 would jail a mother for operating her hair salon in an attempt to put food on the family's table.

It is a shameful abuse of judicial discretion.

Amen.

I love Ken Paxton.

I think he is just outrageously great.

So we're going to find out what he's going to do.

Now, California, they've decided to do something else.

We're going to talk to a restaurant owner.

It's actually

a wine bar owner who found himself in a situation where he had to open up because he said,

I'm going to lose my business.

So

I don't know what to do.

I have to open to be able to save my business.

And he said, I'm willing to go to jail for that.

Well, in California, they didn't threaten jail.

They said, we'll take your license away.

Now, that's an extra $20,000 expense that he had paid to get his license in California.

If they take it away, he won't have a business.

So now he's caught between a rock and a hard place.

He's not going to jail.

He'll just get his business license pulled.

And so that won't be as bad because people won't be going to jail, which they think is so horrible.

Well, my life being destroyed is probably worse than going to jail for seven days.

But these are the kinds of things that we're now looking at.

And California is looking at this because the Sheriff's Department are not doing it.

There's a sheriff in Riverside County.

His name is Chad Bianco.

And he said, I'm not going to do it.

I want to read parts of his statement.

He said,

eight weeks ago, Governor Newsom and other officials participated in something never done before in our nation's history.

He ordered residents into their homes, closed their businesses, made them wear masks, forbid them from going to church, and eliminated constitutional freedoms put into place over 200 years ago.

Man, I want to contribute to this guy's campaign if he's running again.

In the name of public health crisis, our civil liberties and constitutional protections have been placed on hold.

Officials have asked a lot of residents over the last two months as part of a greater effort to flatten the curve and prevent hospitals from being completely overwhelmed by corona patients.

This is something that we all agreed on.

That's how they got us into this.

It worked.

What isn't being emphasized is that 2,000 of the 4,300 people who have tested positive have already recovered and returned to work.

What that means is that out of 2.5 million people in Riverside County, we only have 2,300 residents positive with this virus.

Statistically, that is less than a tenth of 1%.

He said the discussions should be based on facts and data, not protections and fear.

He said he didn't enforce the law and

the stay-at-home order from the beginning.

He said, I knew people could be trusted to act as responsible adults, and I was correct.

As we continue, I will reinforce my position.

Not only do we not have the resources to enforce unreasonable orders, I refuse to make criminals out of business owners, single moms, and otherwise healthy individuals for exercising their constitutional rights.

I believe Riverside County, this is in California.

I believe Riverside County residents are responsible enough to proceed cautiously.

I mean, then he goes on, he says, there cannot be a new normal.

Fundamental freedoms of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Any new normal is a direct attack on those basic rights which set us apart and make us the greatest country in the world.

I love you,

Sheriff Bianco.

I love you.

I don't know anything else about you, but i love you let me show you let me show you the other side of the country this is coming from de Blasio de Blasio said that he will not permit people to gather for protests

okay let's just let's just go through the first amendment

you have a right to

Assemble

you have a right to assemble you have a right to petition the government.

In other words, I can get together and protest with a bunch of people and say, I don't agree with this, what the government is doing.

You have that God-given right.

Well, no, you really don't.

You need a license to protest now.

I need a license?

Why do I need a license to protest?

No.

This is the new civil rights movement.

Right now, this is the civil rights movement.

Boy, I hope you read your Martin Luther King because Martin Luther King acted in a very specific way and it is the only way to win.

But this is the new civil rights movement.

These people are taking away your right to petition the government, your right to gather and gather in a crowd because you want to petition the government.

You're losing your rights to free speech because Google, which is now the public square, I don't care if it's a private company, they have protections because they're a platform.

If they want to edit, then they don't get the protections of being a platform, period.

They're now the public square.

Your voice is not allowed in the public square if you disagree with the authoritative truth.

The authoritative truth, that line should chill you to the bone.

The authoritative truth, well, it used to be the church back in the dark ages.

Now it's a new church.

It's a new church of, I don't even know, science.

I can't even say that because a lot of scientists disagree.

They're banning doctors and scientists from what they want to say.

So let's just continue.

You've got the loss of assembly, the loss of petitioning your government,

without a license, so they'll approve it.

I mean, what is this, the Soviet Union?

You've lost the free press,

freedom of speech,

and freedom of religion.

Why do I say freedom of religion?

Have you heard what the governor has said now in Illinois?

That

it may be at least a year

before people are allowed to go back to church.

Excuse me?

Excuse me?

At least a year before people are going back to church?

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

No.

No, I refuse.

No.

Now, I could choose not to go to church, but you are not shutting my church down for a year.

No.

My church was, my church was ahead of all of the other

states, all of the other local municipalities that have just turned unbelievably draconian, they came out early before anybody was doing anything.

And they said, we're going to cancel all church services.

We're pulling our missionaries home from around the world, etc., etc.

Now they have already started sending missionaries back out.

They haven't opened the services yet.

But that's my church deciding.

My church has a right to decide when they're going to meet in their own building.

and then each individual church member has a right to decide when they're going to attend.

What, who do you think you are?

By the way, none of these things are laws, none of them are laws.

Laws need to be passed.

These are dictates.

Yes,

the root word of dictator.

A dictate comes from a dictator

hmm

now let me give you one bright spot

except it was reported it was reported yesterday in Esquire as

the hearing was absurd and I want to give you this before I let you hear what she said

Wisconsin Supreme Court justices were hearing a challenge, blah, blah, blah, on the stay-at-home order brought by Republicans, yada, yada, yada, yada.

The main center ring attraction was Justice Rebecca Bradley, who was placed on the court as part of the enduring legacy of former Governor Scott Walker.

In discussing the governor's order, as an assistant attorney general, Colin Roth appeared to be rethinking his career choice because Bradley went full Glenn Beck.

Never go full Glenn Beck, according to Esquire.

Then they quote her, and this is full Glenn Beck.

You tell me what the problem is.

My question for you is, where is in the Constitution, you know what, let me have her say it.

We have the audio.

Could you play it quickly?

My question for you is, where in the Constitution did the people of Wisconsin confer authority on a single unelected cabinet secretary to compel almost 6 million people to stay at home and close their businesses and face imprisonment if they don't comply with no input from the legislature, without the the consent of the people.

Isn't it the very definition of tyranny for one person to order people to be imprisoned for going to work, among other ordinarily lawful activities?

Where does the Constitution say that's permissible, Counsel?

Then she goes on, I'll direct your attention to another time in history where the Supreme Court said the need for action was great and the time was short and that justified, and I'm quoting, assembling together and placing under guard all those Japanese of Japanese ancestry in assembly centers during World War II.

Could the Secretary, under this broad delegation of legislative powers or legislative-like power, order people out of their homes into centers where they're properly social distanced in order to combat the pandemic?

The point of my question is: there are limits, constitution or statutory.

There have to be some, don't there, Council?

This was mocked as being full-on Glenn Beck.

I'm proud if that's full-on Glenn Beck.

That's fantastic that I would be associated with the Constitution and common sense

defending common people.

Thank you.

Thank you to this judge.

This judge is...

Only saying the things that most Americans have grown up believing in.

That we don't listen to people who are not elected officials.

Thank you, Justice Rebecca Bradley, for your balls to say these things.

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So did you see that

the guy who writes Black Mirror,

he said, I can't write anymore.

We're already there.

Wait, wait, wait, what?

What?

No, no, no, don't say that to me.

It's like, you know,

Rod Serling coming out and saying, nah, world's already too weird.

You can't come up with something?

Help us, help us.

How many times have we said that this stuff is actually already happening?

I mean, the social media credit score thing was one of those early episodes that China is just

doing right now.

Well, because he's not doing what Rod Serling did was less scientific.

You know, it was just more philosophical in nature.

This is, this is, he's a futurist.

What Black Mirror is showing us is a possible future.

And unfortunately for us now, time is moving so fast that a year after an episode airs of Black Mirror, you're like, wait, I saw this one.

This is freaking me.

This is freaking me out a little bit.

And that's what he's saying.

We're already in this dystopian future, and I don't want to make things worse by depressing people.

uh i don't think you're depressing people you're warning people uh you know i've been saying some of the things on social um you know about social media and the social credit score for years black mirror got the word out much better than i did please don't stop we have to discuss the future

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Oh, yeah, this is the Glenn Beck program.

So yesterday, I get a phone call from somebody on my staff, and they said, Glenn, you remember Carolyn Borsenko?

And I said, yes, and she the woman from like New Hampshire, she's the

Zen psychologist.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Right.

She was the one who went to the, she was a lefty, and she went to a Trump rally because she didn't like being told, you know, what to do.

And she wanted to conquer her fear and everything else.

And she found out that, wow, Trump people are really nice.

It's not like what everybody is saying that they are.

She's got a really, really great open mind.

When I talked to her on the air, I said,

I think you're actually joining our side.

I think you're come to the dock side.

And

we laughed about it.

And so I thought, why is she calling?

She was calling because of what I said yesterday, apparently, on the air about the Michigan rally.

And I was warning people, please know that we are an image-driven society.

Please, if you're carrying something, if you're, that's why at my things, I've always said, please, no signs, no signs, because the media will just latch on to one image and then it's over.

You have to be careful.

Don't drive up to these things with

a firearm.

You have the right to do it.

Yes, you do.

But the media will latch on to those things and it will hurt you in the long run.

So just be careful.

So when I got that call, I thought, okay, Carolyn,

she didn't come to the dock side.

She's back to her dock side.

No, not so much.

She actually wanted to correct me and make sure that I knew that these were really good people at these protests.

Carolyn, welcome to the program.

Hi, Glenn.

Thank you.

And it's Carlin, like George Carlin.

Oh, Carlin.

I'm sorry.

Sorry, sorry, Carlin.

So,

do I have the story right?

Yeah, yeah, essentially.

So I ended up speaking to the organizers of the Michigan protest the other day on my YouTube channel just because I was fascinated with the whole thing.

And we had a great conversation.

And then just comparing what they said to what was in the media,

there are some discrepancies.

I love you.

I absolutely love you.

I really do.

I think you're amazing.

Okay, so what are the discrepancies?

I know of one, the guy who was, the guy who has, he's kind of balding and he's got a big beard and he was photographed and it looks like he's yelling at the police.

But actually,

he's not yelling at the police.

Is that right?

He's not yelling at the police at all.

He's yelling past the police because they're yelling into the room where the vote was taking place.

And the entire goal of this rally was was to make sure the legislature in Michigan voted not to be able to extend the governor's executive's order.

That was the whole goal.

And so they were yelling at them as they were taking the vote to vote no.

And that's not the way it was spun.

Okay, so

you say that there,

you say that there are things that maybe I or other conservatives are doing

that

is we have wrong.

So talk to the conservatives

and me that may have it wrong.

Go ahead.

You know, the biggest thing is that the entire rally was coordinated with law enforcement from the very beginning.

So, there's this perception that the police were put in danger, law enforcement was put in danger.

That's absolutely untrue.

The organizers of the rally coordinated with law enforcement literally every step of the way, leading up to the rally, the day before the rally, during the rally.

They coordinated with law enforcement to make sure there was a specific path kept open for the hospital in case people needed to get there.

Permits were issued.

When they went into the Capitol building, their temperatures were taken.

It was all very orderly.

The militia folks that were there, the ones with the big guns, which I agree is not the best photo in the world, but there are other photos that show that the police were actually like hanging out with the militia guys and smiling.

So there wasn't an adversarial relationship.

Everyone was working together.

So Carlin, I want you to know that I don't believe there is an adversarial relationship with the police.

I know these kinds of people.

I've been doing this for a long time.

I know these kinds of people.

I learned from Martin Luther King that love is always the answer.

That's great.

These people are loving people for the most part.

I mean, there's creeps in every crowd, but these are families.

These are regular Americans that believe in good things and yada, yada, yada.

But what I'm always concerned about is the other thing I learned from Martin Luther King.

It is an image that will destroy you.

It is one photograph that will destroy you.

It's the dogs barking

with really peaceful black people walking down the street that turned America's head because there was no way to position that.

So I'm just concerned about the images.

King was very disciplined.

And it's hard with libertarians to say, okay, guys, we've got to organize and have a set of rules.

It's like herding cats can't be done.

But we have to have discipline to make sure, because we know how dishonest the press is.

We know how images will be used against us because it's been done before.

And I agree with everything that you just said, but I guess I'm going to push back a little and say, at what point does the media have some responsibility?

And I'm talking to the conservative media now, to make sure they are telling the full and accurate story of what happened to push back against some of these misconceptions, because I'm just a random person on the internet, and I was able to tell this.

And so you guys have some responsibility as well.

I agree,

Carl, I absolutely agree with you.

And if I have let the audience down on that, I apologize and we will double our effort on it.

But I will tell you that

listening to you talk, you will not be able to relate to this.

I have waited for you.

I was just listening to you give that first point, and I thought to myself with a smile on my face, and I thought, I have waited for someone like her for 15 years.

I have waited for, I really have, Carlin, I really have, and so has this audience.

You are somebody who is

you're not in lockstep with everything that I say or whatever.

You've come from the left, and you just, you just want the truth.

We're not talking politics, you just want the truth.

Your voice, until they discredit you, your voice

brings

a hope and an awful lot of credibility because

this is not your horse.

And so some of us have been beaten down by the press for so long and destroyed.

We have to, we want to make sure we're uber, uber careful because we're on the front line of being, you will be soon, but we're on the front line of being attacked.

And we've learned our lesson in the past.

That doesn't mean we've given up the fight by any chance or any stretch of the imagination.

We're just more cautious on things because we know how fast one mistake will just absolutely destroy you.

Oh, I completely, yeah, it does.

I mean, and it's certainly a conversation I've had with so many conservatives over the past several months.

And, you know, it is something that I hear.

And listen, I'm fully willing to step up and be a truth teller in this scenario.

but I simply hope that I'm not the only one that's telling the story of

regular Joes that organized this rally because they wanted to do the right thing.

Yeah,

you're absolutely not.

We have reached out to many of the organizers in different states.

I've got four people on today that are going to tell their story about what's going on.

So you're not alone.

Make sure you know that.

And if you ever feel alone, you call me.

My staff will give you, I don't have a phone,

they'll give you a way to contact me personally.

They'll give you my private email address so you can contact me directly because you're not alone.

You give me a lot of hope.

All right.

So the next thing that you think needs to be corrected.

Well, and the law enforcement was the big one.

Oh, another thing that I haven't heard talk about is that there were literally zero warnings from law enforcement issued at this entire rally.

There was only one arrest that was made.

And

Glenn, do you want to guess what the one arrest was at this rally?

Want to guess who it was?

No, go ahead.

Anifah.

It was a Democrat.

It was a Democrat.

It was protesting.

And

what were they arrested for?

What were they arrested for?

They were kicking people at the rally.

Oh, my gosh.

Oh, my gosh.

Was that even reported anywhere?

I don't believe it was, but it's on my YouTube channel in the interview that I did with

And another thing is the elected representatives, as they were taking the vote, they were actually in communication with the people at the rally.

They were like texting back and forth because a guy at the rally knew the Senate majority leader.

And so the people inside, I mean, I've seen these tweets come out basically saying, oh, we were so scared of these people.

They knew what was going on.

They were coordinating and talking back and forth the whole time.

And so I have a really hard time believing that anyone was actually scared.

Carlin,

I love you.

I do.

I just can't thank you enough

for just being

interested in the truth and

being brave enough to take on

your own circle.

I mean, nobody wants to be a pariah.

Nobody wants to have to recheck everything that they thought they believed in.

It's a scary thing, but everyone should do that on both sides.

And

you're just a great example.

Just a great example for so many people.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

You need anything, you call me.

Well, I don't have a phone.

You write me.

Thank you so much, Brian.

I'll take you up on it.

Please do.

I mean it sincerely.

Hang on.

They'll give you my private email address.

Thank you so much.

That's Dr.

Carlin Borisenko, who I

love.

Can I have your private email address?

Nope.

Cannot have it.

Maybe after 300 years we'll have it.

Yeah, Yeah, she has no idea.

There's people I've known for a long time do not have my private email address.

Yeah, the doctor should probably know.

You might actually answer her emails, too.

That would be amazing.

Everyone in the middle of the day.

Well, I see I made some mistakes.

I made some mistakes.

I gave some people my private email address, like Stu, and he writes, and I'm like,

all these words.

All these words I have to read, please.

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The unemployment numbers are coming out today for the first time

unemployment benefits filers.

What is the number today?

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The unemployment rate currently?

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3.2 million.

Which is the lowest it's been in several weeks,

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No, not really.

It's not good.

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Yeah, that's fantastic.

You know, remember, we were adding jobs.

Now we're just shedding jobs like crazy.

Tomorrow, the actual unemployment number comes out for April, but it doesn't include all of the weeks, right?

It doesn't take us up to this.

Last number or the number before.

Right, you get a few weeks of April, but not the entire month.

There's a lot of estimates out there now that people believe states, many states have 25 plus percent unemployment rates.

The actual unemployment rate of the country might be right now in the mid-20s, 23, 24, something like that.

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No, it shouldn't be that high tomorrow, we don't think, because it's not going to include the whole month of April, which is going to be the most disastrous month in theory of

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we might see

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We've got an absolutely jam-packed hour for you.

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We're going to talk a little bit about Abraham Lincoln.

Brad Meltzer is with us.

The Lincoln Conspiracy is his new book.

It's probably a story you've never heard before.

It's just fantastic.

The secret plot to kill Abraham Lincoln.

But Lincoln comes to mind at this point.

We're probably facing the biggest crisis that we have faced since World War II or the Civil War.

And I'd like to get his perspective on that.

Also, coming up in just a few minutes, we have the Attorney General of Texas, a guy I absolutely love, Ken Paxton.

He is outraged at what happened with the salon owner where she went to jail here in Dallas, Texas.

He put a strong message out yesterday.

Now he's in trouble with all of the judges of Texas.

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Brad Meltzer is a good friend of mine.

I don't know if we even need to introduce him, but he is the author of a new book called The Lincoln Conspiracy, The Secret Plot.

Anytime that Brad Meltzer is on, it is always a tour to force of history.

Welcome, Brad.

How are you?

I'm good, my friend.

How you doing?

Very good.

Very good.

I brought a couple of things in on Lincoln that I thought you might appreciate.

I knew you were going to do that.

I knew you were going to do it.

I know.

Oh, well, I give a hint.

Somewhere in the room, in the studio today, for anybody who's playing our game, you know, Glenn Studio, there is a Lincoln

artifact behind me that if you guess what it is, you win a copy of my new book.

But this I brought with me is a piece of Abraham Lincoln's coat.

It is actually the collar that he was wearing that night that he was shot and finally killed.

You can see the rest of the jacket at Ford's Theater, but it's missing its collar.

And this is the missing piece that somebody

cut off of him that night, which is awful.

I've seen the cuffs under the shirt.

The cuffs are in a military museum out in Maryland.

But yes, the jacket's obviously a Ford's Theater, so it's all these different pieces make up the whole.

It's incredible.

Yeah, and it's weird, Brad, how

they treated him even as he was dying.

But we'll get into that maybe some other time because you're going to tell a story that most people don't know in the Lincoln conspiracy.

And it's one of my favorite Lincoln stories.

Tell me.

Yeah, we all know the story of John Wilkes Booth ending Lincoln's presidency, but this is the story of the first secret plot to kill Abraham Lincoln at the very start.

Because in order to be sworn in as America's 16th president, as you know, Lincoln had to take a train from his home in Springfield, Illinois to Washington, D.C.

And the only way to get there was to go through Baltimore.

But Maryland at the time was a slave state.

So the plan was simple.

A secret society planned to ambush Lincoln when he came through Baltimore and end his presidency before it even began.

And this is the story, and it's all true, all really happened.

This is the true story of this secret conspiracy that very few people even know existed.

So tell me the story, because Lincoln was like the, what is it, 53rd vote of the Republican Party at their convention.

It was a, what do you call it?

The convention we were thinking of that was coming for the Democrats, the kind where you don't have a nominee, so you have to go in to vote over and over and over again until you get a consensus to nominate your not your your the the final nominee uh a brokered convention it's like 52nd vote was for abraham lincoln uh and then and people didn't i mean they didn't know who he was when you did know who he was he looked

he was described at the time as uncouth uh and and grotesque

he was described as ugly

they said no politician has ever been uglier he they were ruthless and and as you said they had they stayed glenn they didn't know who who he was.

We found an old campaign poster and someone, and it literally says, vote for Abram Lincoln.

They spelled his name wrong on his own poster.

That's how little they know.

So when he gets to Baltimore,

he doesn't even know how split the country is.

He doesn't know how hated he is already and how close the country is to just full-on civil war.

Right.

I mean, they give, you know, it is an incredible time in America.

And as he's making this ride, I mean, this is, he is truly,

three days after he's elected.

Three days is how much time they give him.

South Carolina passes a resolution saying we're seceding from the Union.

So the hate mail starts pouring in.

And as they're starting, they have no idea how the culture is split into.

And that's why we wrote this book, is it's this time in American politics where you see the culture split in two.

You see that whatever side you're on, you hate the other side, you think the other side are complete horrible people.

Does that sound familiar to you, Glenn?

Right?

It's like exactly where we are right now.

And it's why you see what a great leader does in that situation.

You know, Lincoln tries with all his power, not to divide us, but to unite us, even in the midst of this plot to murder him.

And one of my favorite scenes is, you know, there's a train in the middle of the night.

The train, it's a speeding train filled with passengers.

And we're looking at four of them in particular.

There's two businessmen, there's a woman, and she has an invalid brother, but none of them are who they say they are.

So the businessman is actually Alan Pinkerton, famous detective head of the Pinkerton Detective Agency.

The woman is Kate Warren.

She's America's first female private eye.

And her so-called brother isn't her brother, and he's certainly not an invalid.

That's Abraham Lincoln.

They've put him in a disguise.

They've given him a secret code name.

They're whisking him away to make sure the secret society doesn't get him.

And, you know, I just ruined chapter one of the Lincoln Conspiracy, but that's okay for you, right?

I mean, like,

it's an unbelievable scene.

Yeah, it is.

What's incredible is, and maybe you would know this, did they make him an invalid?

Because I know is they snuck him out of a theater.

You'll have to excuse me.

You're fresh on the research.

This is years ago, my research, so correct me when I'm wrong.

But they brought him into a theater and then snuck him out to the back.

And they told him, you got to take the hat off and hunch down uh and they put like a shawl over him and he had him hunched down because he was so tall okay yeah well that's the thing is you know he's 6'4

no one had even seen if you lived in america at that time you didn't you didn't know anyone 6'4 it's like trying to hide lebron james today and and so yeah they have to hunch him over it's one of my favorite scenes in the in the whole book is when they tell him listen They're coming to kill you.

We got to get you out of here.

And basically, he's in this hotel room in the middle of the night.

He's exhausted.

And they say to him, listen, listen, in Philadelphia, and you're going to, I want to tell a story just for you because you're going to love this part of it, is

they tell him, you have an event in Philadelphia tomorrow.

We've got to make you skip the event.

We're going to get you to D.C.

earlier.

And Lincoln says, I'm not missing the event in Philadelphia.

And they're like, what's in Philadelphia?

And the reason Lincoln won't miss the event in Philadelphia is because the next day in Philadelphia, they are honoring the birthday.

of one of Lincoln's most favorite heroes, a man named George Washington.

And no way is George Washington, I know he's one of your heroes, of course, one of mine.

We've talked about it at length, like no way is Lincoln missing honoring George Washington.

And we found the actual speech that Lincoln gives.

He goes to Philly the next day, even though it means risking his life, and he gives this speech.

And the speech is at Independence Hall.

He's talking about the beauty of the Declaration, giving everyone an equal chance.

And Lincoln says, if we can't save the country without that principle, and he pauses and he says, I was about to say, I would rather be assassinated on this spot than surrender.

And what I love is that in that moment, Abraham Lincoln absolutely knows there's a plot to kill him when he says, assassinate me on this spot.

And it's right after that that, as you said, perfectly, you picked it right up, is

they whisk him right out of there.

We won't ruin how and how they sneak him out.

But that's when they sneak him out of there and get to save his life.

I did not know that part of the story.

That is a great part of the story.

Yeah, no, that boom we found, i was proud of that one that washington that washington one was like oh my gosh it's all coming together

do you include anything uh on charles stone charles pomeroy stone

yeah charles stone um is in the book and i'm trying to remember what we put on there uh he's an army officer and he's the inspector i think the inspector general of washington dc And he has some testimony at the time because what happens is as they're trying to find this plot, as you know, and I love that I'm talking to you who knows the answer, but they have a secret committee.

It's called the Committee of Five and it's, you know, to try and find out

what this plot is.

And the real name that they give to it is the Treason Committee.

They want to know who it is.

And one of the people that they bring, you know, Charles Stone is there, but they bring in there is a guy named Cipriano Ferendini.

And he is the leader of...

the secret society that's plotting to kill Lincoln.

And it's one of my favorite lines in the book.

They say they finally have Cipriano Ferendini exactly where they want him, under oath.

And he looks up at these congressmen and they say to him, you know, hey,

Ferendini is a barber of all things.

And he's a barber in a Baltimore fancy hotel.

You go into the basement of this hotel, you whisper the right password, you whisper the right code word, and he will potentially tell you the secret plot to kill Abraham Lincoln.

These are the men that they're trying to catch.

And they lie under oath.

The Congress, I mean, it's like almost no different than today.

Congress has them right there, but just doesn't ask the right questions, doesn't ask if he knows anyone.

Everyone's kind of turning their heads, and they all walk out.

And

Congress completely ineffectual to catching anybody.

It takes Alan Pinkerton and the Pinkerton detectives to save the day.

Do you know the rest of the story with Charles Pomeroy Stone?

The reason why I ask is because he played a role in

the first assassination, helping Lincoln during the first assassination.

But

he later plays a very important role in American history.

Do you know that?

I know the first one

who testifies that it's real.

I don't know the end of his story.

What happens at the end?

Okay,

so he goes to

fight in the Civil War.

He is a guy who does not hate the South.

He's more like Lincoln.

He doesn't hate the South.

He just wants the Civil War to end.

So he's fighting on the northern side, but he's not,

he refuses to engage in the, you know, I hate him, I hate him, I hate him.

And this pisses a lot of the people on the

North off.

And he's set up by Congress to look like he was the cause of this huge disaster in the battle, but he wasn't even near it.

Congress takes him, they try him in Congress, they don't really even

give him a chance to respond.

He's arrested, but he's arrested without charge.

He's held in prison.

Lincoln finds out about it, and it's like six months he's been in prison.

And Lincoln says, stop it right now.

Release him and release anybody without charge,

you know, or you're in trouble.

And they didn't.

They waited another three months.

Finally, they finally release him.

He's so discouraged.

He can't, his job or his name is

another Lincoln reference, mud.

He can't, uh,

yeah,

he can't, he can't find any work.

He is disgusted by the people that, you know, his country betrayed him.

He goes overseas.

He's in Egypt.

He does work over in Egypt for the French.

He finally comes home in the 1870s, I think, late 1870s, and there's a knock on his door, and it's the government.

And they said,

Did you work with the French?

And they said, yes.

And he said,

why?

What do you need?

And they say, your country needs you.

We just got this box of stuff, and all of the instructions are in French, and we don't know how to put it together.

Would you build the base for the Statue of Liberty and help us build the Statue of Liberty?

Fantastic.

Fantastic.

Yeah, isn't that great?

Yeah, I mean,

we love those lost stories are so

vital.

I mean, and listen, we all know, and, you know, listen, we filled the book with them, of course.

Like, we all know the story of Abraham Lincoln at the end of his life.

If I woke any American up in the middle of the night, 3 a.m.,

and I said, tell me about Abraham Lincoln, they would blurt out, free the slaves, you know, Emancipation Proclamation, Top Hat, Blog Cabin, all the clichés we know.

What I love is this is the book has, when you read the Lincoln conspiracy, it has Lincoln at the beginning of his presidency.

So you see him making mistakes.

You see him doubting himself.

When he gets the nomination for the presidency, you know where he is?

He's in an alleyway in the newspaper building playing handball of all things, being a regular guy.

When he goes to leave and he wins the presidency and he has to leave Illinois, one of the last things he does is he goes back to his home.

He wants to see his father's grave, which I know to you and I

hits you right in the heart.

And then he wants to see his stepmom, who's still alive, who he adores.

There's this beautiful moment where he found a recollection of someone who was there.

And Abraham Lincoln walks into his stepmother's house.

He's so physically big.

His stepmother's in a rocking chair.

He puts his arm, leans down, puts his arms around her and hugs her and the entire chair as she sits in it.

She starts crying.

He supposedly starts crying.

And when he leaves her to go to the White House, she says, I'm worried that he's going to be assassinated.

I'm never going to see him again.

And she's absolutely right.

And when you see Abraham Lincoln in those human, normal moments, you know, one of the mistakes we make with our heroes in the culture is we build these great, amazing monuments to them, and then we worship there, and we do them a huge disservice because we forget they're human beings just like us.

And whoever you look up to, whether it's Abraham Lincoln, whether it's Rosa Parks, or George Washington, they have moments where they were scared and terrified and didn't think they could go on, but they do.

To see Abraham Lincoln in the book, they lose the inaugural address.

He's so disorganized.

He's doubted himself at all times, and he's just like us.

We are all of us, Glenn, you know, especially right now.

We are all terrified and brave.

We are all cowards and we are all strong.

Some of us in the same day, some of us within the same minute.

And I think, you know, what I am so proud of when it comes to this book is being able to share that Abraham Lincoln is just like the rest of us.

All right.

Brad, hang on because I want to ask you one question related to today and what's going on with Abraham Lincoln back with Brad Melzer.

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So, Brad, I've been painting.

I don't know if you know this about me, but I'm a painter, and I've painted a few people,

Native American, Mau, Churchill,

wearing a mask.

And I painted a Lincoln with a mask on it.

I'm painting it because I think these guys are the last people to wear masks.

I find humor in it, but people are not taking them that way.

They're taking them like, well, Lincoln would never have worn a mask.

I just, I'm about 50% done with this Washington,

and everybody is tweeting me going, do not put a mask on him.

My question is a historian, how do you think these guys would have handled this?

Do you think they would have been

doing all this?

We have one minute.

Yeah, you know, the one thing I think about Abraham Lincoln is that everyone is like, Abraham Lincoln would have stood for this, he would have fought back, he would have.

Abraham Lincoln rarely met anything with a fist.

Abraham Lincoln met things with his head.

And I obviously, I think people are taking it a bit too literally here, right?

I mean, it's not the literal thing he has to do.

You're making a statement.

And we need people to make statements about where we are right now.

And the fact you're getting a rise means you're doing something right.

It means you're touching people in a good way, making them think.

And I think Abraham Lincoln and George Washington, if anything,

they want people to think.

That is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Brad Meltzer, thank you so much for being on the program.

God bless you.

We'll talk to you again, my friend.

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So, you might know the story of the Dallas salon owner.

Her name is Shelly Luther, and she went back to work because, well,

let's play the audio of her before the judge,

what, yesterday or the day before.

Here's what she said to the judge after he said, I'm going to punish you with jail unless you apologize and close your shop.

Here's her response.

Judge, I would like to say that I have much respect for this court and and laws

and that i've never been been in this position before

and it's not someplace that i want to be

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i have to disagree with you sir when i when you say that i'm selfish because feeding my kids is not selfish

i have hairstylists that are going hungry because they'd rather feed their kids.

So, sir, if you think the law is more important than kids getting fed, then please go ahead with your decision, but I am not going to shut the salon.

This is a civil rights moment.

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These are unelected officials

making dictates.

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basically took the judge and what's going on apart.

We have Ken Paxton on with us now, the Attorney General of the great state of Texas and a friend.

Hello, Ken.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn, I'm doing well.

How are you?

I'm very good.

All right.

I'm glad to hear.

When I saw your tweet yesterday, I was so happy to hear that

you were on the side of common sense.

Tell me your stance because you're now getting heat from judges.

So tell me what you said yesterday about this whole thing.

I just said, you know, this is ridiculous.

It's outrageous that a woman who went out to work, who needs an income, was put in jail.

And I understand there are orders relating to this and maybe consequences that, you know, happen to people.

putting someone in jail, especially in light of Dallas County releasing or wanting to release, you know, criminals who who have been convicted because they're afraid they're going to get corona.

Now you're putting a woman in a jail where she could get corona.

So it makes no sense to me.

You wrote, the trial judge did not need to lock up Shelly Luther.

His order is shameful abuse of judicial discretion, which seems like another political stunt in Dallas.

He should release her immediately.

I hope he'll listen to that.

I hope that he'll come to his senses.

I think these judges are all banding together in Dallas County to criticize my statements.

But look, this is a, I mean, this is just a regular citizen.

She did not, she didn't go out and shoplift in Dallas, which is not a crime there, apparently,

and not having committed any kind of crime.

So I do not think she should be in prison.

Ken, where do we,

the governor is in

a

just a heck of a spot.

And I know Greg Abbott and I respect him, so I give him a lot of room here,

mainly because I would not want to be in his position.

He loses either way.

If he does nothing, he loses.

If he does too much, he loses.

For some people, if he does anything, he loses.

So there's no place for him to go.

How do we balance this?

I mean,

me and a lot of other people think

The governors and the president and the mayors should come out and say, look,

these are the scientific facts.

You need to stay home.

We're not going to throw anybody in jail, but you need to stay home.

Please, let's do this together.

Otherwise, if you make it an edict, you're violating all of my civil rights.

Yeah, I think you make a really good point.

One, we don't have like a

model to look at.

We haven't been through this before.

There's nobody that knows how to do it right.

And everybody's, there's not a single governor, whether they have good motors, bad motors, who's going to get this 100% right and get the balance between protecting health and safety versus protecting people's ability to make a living and what impact that has on their lives.

And so I think

we should do the least amount that we can do to protect people's lives.

And so I think the governor's, you know, he's struggling with that balance and he's trying to get there.

And, you know, we're going to, I think, be one of the faster states that moves towards opening up and letting people work and let it be individual decisions about, because I think people are educated now.

They know they've been sufficiently scared about the coronavirus.

And I think they should now be making their own decisions about what risk they want to take based on their own health situation and their age and their

responsible for themselves.

You know,

I used this example last hour

that

my church moved moved to close down services before any state or government did anything.

They said, we're going to cancel all services, you know, do your services at home, blah, blah, blah.

And they passed that.

Now in Illinois, the governor is saying, you may not go to church for the next year.

We may close churches down.

Well, wait a minute.

I think this is a

I mean, churches are responsible for their flock.

And, you know, there are some crazy people out there, but there's

churches that will say, we're going to do services, limited to this, or we're not going to do services.

And then each individual should be allowed to choose from there.

Where does the state get its power to do these things?

I don't think they have the power.

If you'll notice, in Texas, we never said that.

And Governor Abbott put churches as an essential business with the list that the federal government had given us.

There were 16 essential businesses, and he added this one.

And I think rightfully so.

There's special protections for First Amendment under the Constitution.

And so you can't go and restrict churches the way you can restrict other things.

And so I think we've made the right call.

And I think in the end, look, people need help.

There's a lot of people that are suffering right now because they've lost their jobs and they've gone through difficult times, health situations, and they're going to need spiritual leaders in their lives.

And so we don't need to be telling from a state position or any government saying you can't meet.

And I know other states have done that.

Kentucky, the governor there was taking down license plates of people at church,

you know, apparently wanting to record that information to somehow use it against them.

That's just not right.

I have to ask you a question.

Greg Abbott just tweeted: throwing Texans in jail whose business is shut down through no fault of their own is wrong.

I'm eliminating jail for violating an order retroactive to April 2nd, superseding all local orders.

Criminals shouldn't be released to to prevent COVID-19, just to put business owners in their place.

Your reaction.

God bless Greg Abbott.

That was a great move on his part.

I think he saw what happened to Shelly Luther, and he's responded in a responsible, appropriate way.

And I say, God bless Greg Abbott.

And please, I beg this judge, let this woman out of jail.

She should not be there.

This judge, Ken, you said it in your tweet yesterday.

I think the guy is, I think the guy's ego was bruised by her when he said, you know, that she had, what was it,

maligned or something, something ridiculous about you defiled his order, defiled his order by tearing it in half and demanded an apology.

This is absolutely out of control.

I agree with you.

I think it got personal for him, and I think he took it personally, and that's why he reacted by, overreacted by instead of just merely giving her a fine.

And I don't think anybody would have said anything about that, whether they agree, you know, people might have disagreed, but not to the extent of putting a woman in jail who's just trying to do her job.

So let me ask you on Greg's, on the governor's

order here, you responded by saying,

please, judge, please do this.

Does the governor have the right to say I'm canceling

all of these convictions and they're to be released?

Or do the judges have to agree with him?

How is this going to work?

So it's going to be interesting.

So, yes,

the governor's order supersedes any county order that would be different than what he just ordered.

The question here is, it wasn't the county or state or the city that really put her in jail.

It was his judge, and it was a contempt order.

So I don't know.

My guess is that the judge could still keep her in jail despite the fact that now, you know, retroactively, everything has been wiped out.

And

what?

He also had an order earlier this week that opened up haircuts starting tomorrow.

So, you know, potentially she could still be sitting in jail despite the fact that there's nothing wrong with it now.

All of the penalties of being in jail have been wiped out both across the state and this judge might still keep her in jail.

I hope he doesn't do that.

Everything has been taken away.

There's nothing wrong with what she's done.

Let's go.

Let's let her out.

All right.

One last question.

As a business owner myself, I am looking for someone to give us some sort of protection from litigation because there are already, I think, 2,400 cases.

against businesses, et cetera, et cetera, all across the country on coronavirus.

And if somebody walks into my place of business and they get sick,

am I going to get sued?

Are you guys thinking at all of any protection or giving us

any kind of release from liability if we're opening up our stores and we're being responsible?

Well, so that is completely controlled by the Texas legislature.

The governor

can't really stop lawsuits.

Even with an executive order, it would expire.

You know, he can't he can't after the the coronavirus is no longer a threat he he wouldn't have the same authority so it had to be the text legislature which meets in january and they could uh i believe they could pass a law that retroactively uh ended these these these lawsuits do you think that that is worth calling a special session for i mean it's an emergency i mean my honestly my business partner is like i'm not opening up these studios until i have something i can point to and say well no they said we could go back to work if we did these things you know and I don't know when you're going to tell regular businesses you can open back up and everybody can come back to work you know we're worried we actually have no one in our studios right now I have 80,000 square feet I mean I was in the middle of construction of remodeling I'm not even I can't even bring the construction workers in because I'm afraid that one person who's an emergency person who's on the other side of the building could get sick and it would just it would destroy us.

What do we do?

I think that's certainly something that the governor should consider.

It's definitely a challenging issue for businesses to not have some security as it relates to this issue.

And you know there will be lawsuits filed.

So I don't know our

governor's thinking about this.

I don't know whether he's going to call special sessions before January.

It's 100% the governor's call, and I just have no idea whether he's going to do that.

Would you be willing to pass that on to him for us?

Because I know a lot of business people that are in the same boat.

We want to open back up and we will be responsible.

We just need some indication from the governor that it's going to be okay.

Go back to work now.

We need somebody to say that so we're not there all on our own waiting for just dogs of

litigation to devour us.

Absolutely.

I will communicate that message today.

I think that's a good message for him.

I'm sure he's already heard it, but for him to hear

it.

So, yeah, happy to do that.

Ken, thank you very much.

I appreciate it.

This is some really good news.

And thank you for your leadership and keeping us out of just really nasty things.

Thank you so much.

Thanks, Clenn.

Have a great day.

You bet.

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He was commenting about Shelly Luther, the salon owner in Dallas that is now in jail on contempt.

Governor Abbott just released

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I rescind all verdicts to send anyone to jail for opening up their business.

He said this is a travesty.

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he's urging all of the judges, well, one in particular, that just threw Shelly Luther into jail on contempt because he can't overturn that, apparently, according to the Attorney General.

The judge has to do that.

This guy is an out-of-control judge.

We'll see what happens.

That should be developing here, possibly, by the time we get off the air today.

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is in Los Angeles and in Montrose and he has he has something called the wine cave.

And he's not a crazy guy.

He's not somebody that is, you know, trying to make sure everybody is sick or capitalize on this.

He's just a guy who cannot get unemployment.

He hasn't been able to get a check from the state.

He hasn't been able to get anything from PPP.

So he's out of money and he's going to lose everything.

And he decided, you know what?

I don't care what Los Angeles says.

I've got to open.

I'm either homeless or I'm in jail.

And

the city of Los Angeles has done one worse, I think, to this man.

Joseph, welcome to the program.

How are you, sir?

I'm good, sir.

How are you?

I'm good.

So now you are the owner of what's called the wine cave.

You're married, you have a couple of kids,

and

you were doing what everybody else is doing.

You were sheltering in place, et cetera, et cetera.

And then you applied for a PPP loan and

some unemployment insurance.

And what happened there?

Uh nothing happened.

I have not received anything from the unemployment, uh, neither from the PPP.

All I've been getting is uh I had my fourth email actually last Friday saying that your application is in in process and it will be processed due to the order that was received.

That's all I've heard so far.

And it's been over a month and a half or so since I applied for both.

And so you have no money coming in.

Does your wife work?

Uh my wife works, but she doesn't make too much money.

But what I'm doing at the moment is to just get some sort of income coming in.

I am opening in the afternoons from 3 to 6 just to carry out bottles of wine, which is really not my forte in business.

But because I'm not a wine shop, I'm a wine bar.

So I have to sell these bottles at wine bar prices, which is, as you know, it's not as

inexpensive as...

Yes, I can't sell it as a supermarket price, in other words.

Yes, I can't sell these bottles at $14, $15, $16.

I have to charge at least a minimum of $30 to $35 for them.

But thanks to my community and my friends, all the support that I love I received, I mean, it's helped, but it's nowhere near what I need to go on and survive this business.

Right.

You're making now about 10% of what you would normally make, and there's, I mean, you haven't been able to pay your rent for two months, right?

Yes, absolutely right.

Yes, I haven't paid in April, neither nor May.

So here in Texas,

we just spoke to the Attorney General here in Texas, and they just reversed throwing people into jail here.

We had a judge throw somebody who opened up their salon into jail, and the governor was a little pissed about it, and so he said, no more throwing people in jail for this.

But they're doing something, I think, worse to you, because you were prepared to go to jail, right?

Absolutely, sir.

I know if you saw my segment segment on the local news, I said the only way I would not open this bar is if they handcuffed me and take me to jail.

That's what I told.

That was the last statement I made.

But if I may continue, the reason why I kind of backed off and did not open the bar, because I was threatened by the authorities, directly and indirectly, that I could lose both my liquor license and my business license.

And if you lose those, then you cannot operate, period.

So it would have been business suicide.

So that's why, like, wait a minute.

I'm ready to go to jail, but I cannot lose my licenses.

Just in case if we open up, hopefully soon, I have to have the licenses to operate.

That was the only reason why I did not open that Friday.

So they control you no matter what.

You cannot pursue, as our Declaration of Independence says, pursue your happiness.

Yes.

Can't do it.

Yes, sir.

I totally agree with you.

You know, I was thinking about it last night before I went to bed.

I said, land of the brave and the home of the free.

We know this is not home free.

I'm not free anymore.

You know, I'm being controlled by a government, but so no constitutional rights.

Where's my First Amendment right?

You know, and I would understand everything that's going on.

I said to them, I'm going to open up with a six-feet social distancing, practicing that, practicing

handing out gloves to my customers.

I would have hand sanitizers, masks if anybody needed.

I was going to serve the wine in disposable cups.

But I guess none of these matter.

But yet, when you go to these larger stores, which I went specifically this Sunday to see, I was visited at Target and I visited a Home Depot.

There were hundreds of people, half wearing masks, half not wearing masks, walking around the aisles.

It just doesn't make sense how those companies I understand they're more essential maybe than wine is, but I need to go on and survive and provide for my family.

And that's what

your survival.

You may not be providing an essential service per se,

but your survival is essential and you have a right to survive.

Where these other companies, you're exactly right.

The standards, I could do those standards in my business, but I'm not allowed to do those standards because I'm not an essential business.

Well, wait a minute.

Hang on just a second.

I'm an essential American.

We all are.

And we all have

these certain unalienable rights that cannot be ever violated, and they're all being violated.

So

what are your plans?

How long can you last without any kind of

aid from anyone?

Well,

my landlady is being very lenient.

So I am actually, I just recently opened up a GoFundMe page.

I received a few thousand dollars through there, so I paid my utility bill, I paid my insurance bill, I paid my health insurance for the family.

So, how long can I last?

I mean, who knows, man?

Maybe another two weeks or so.

So, I don't know.

I mean, I,

well, if I don't pay my rents,

obviously, I don't know.

Go ahead.

Is there anybody in California, any agency, anybody that is working with you to fight for your rights?

Not that I am aware of, no, sir.

No.

Holy cow.

The only support I've received was through my

bar customers and friends that come to the bar frequently.

It's a very popular little local spot in Montrose, California, which is only 15 minutes north of downtown LA.

But besides that, nothing, yeah, nothing at all.

Received a phone call from an agency, I'm not going to mention names.

You're jeopardizing your liquor license.

If you receive another phone call from another agency, your CDO of Glendale will take action against you.

I'm like, oh, wow, really?

That's how how this is going to work?

And I said, to everybody who actually called me to give me this news, I said, you're sitting behind a desk, you're getting your paycheck.

I said,

how am I supposed to survive and provide for my family?

Their answer was, something will prevail.

Oh, okay, good.

Well, we got that going for us.

Joseph, thank you so much.

God bless you, and we'll follow your progress.

Thank you so much.

All right, so there's a guy, normal, didn't want to hurt anybody, you know, just said, I've got to survive.

Now he's on the air and he's afraid to tell you the name of the agency that is threatening his business because he knows they could be vindictive.

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I'm pretty sure I've had dealings with that.

that group of officials.

And I think if it's the group I'm thinking of, they are.

And out-of-control lefties, if I am not mistaken.

So now, let's go to another part of the country.

I want to introduce you to somebody else who opened up his store.

Didn't even want to have any customers.

Was not going to do anything.

He just turned the sign over open as a protest.

You can't tell me what to do.

Again, no intention of having a single customer come in.

Just turned the sign over.

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Now, you want to talk about

being a non-essential business.

I would say the Apex Tattoo Factory would fit into that category.

Now,

we have the business owner, Matthew, Matthew Jax Myers.

He's on.

And And Matthew, you were arrested back in April because the governor, Roy Cooper, said you have to close your business.

Everybody has to close their business.

And you didn't agree with that.

Is that right, Matthew?

Yeah.

Yep.

Yeah, I mean, I mean,

we've got some pretty extingent things going on as far as his power and what he can do here in North Carolina.

And so you were not planning on having anybody come into the store.

Do I have this right?

That you just really turned over

the open sign as a sign of protest.

Yeah,

there was a

United States Constitution on the door and a Gatson flag in the window.

I mean, yeah, it was completely 100% protest.

And you were closed down within a couple of minutes, if I'm not mistaken.

And

you went to jail and you were booked in jail released but booked yes sir tell me about tell me about that what were you booked on what were the officers like uh

so the the apex police department i mean they didn't want to arrest me they did everything in their power that they could um to not arrest me but but it came down later in articles that somebody from higher up basically told them they had to and um as far as like being being booked and stuff, I mean,

there were signs all over the place, you know, saying that they needed to take PPE.

But, I mean, they pulled my mask off.

They didn't let me wash my hands after being pressed.

They were pulling the stuff out of my pockets.

And I literally, I got released with a guy that had 14 felony drug charges and a

pretty unfavorable stalking charge that wouldn't stop pacing around the room.

And he was released.

Why?

I have no clue I they they just don't want him in the in the jails I guess

to control the population as far as maybe the COVID

okay so I read a statement from the mayor of Apex and

he said I'm gonna be there after all of it and I extend my hand to help you

I'm in this with you

and

he said, what I would say about him is he's making decisions that obviously I wouldn't make in my current position, but I'm not in his current position.

I don't know exactly how he feels.

Your relationship with the mayor sounds good.

Yeah, yep.

He actually owns a small business that

is in my same complex because this is a chain of small businesses that I'm next to.

And he did, he tried to call me and and say, Hey, you know, I already know that you're going through some financial stuff.

You don't need to charge on top of it.

And I just told him, you know, both the state and the United States Constitution prevents him from charging me with anything.

He may charge me now,

but it's not going to float.

So, other than that, you know, just convincing the four ladies that live in my house that their dad was going to jail was pretty unnerving.

So, where do you go from here?

Who's helping you?

What do you expect to happen?

I know there was a $2,000 was that that $2,000 bail that you had to post?

Yeah, yeah.

And I mean, the media, the media downplayed it.

Even the state statute says it's a class two misdemeanor, but I got charged with a class one misdemeanor and a two thousand dollar fine.

As far as what what happens from here, I'm not going to stop.

I've joined up with Reopen NC and I was I was following them when I did it but now that I have a voice and that people are looking you know to me I've joined up with reopen NC and what we're gonna do is we're gonna put 10,000 people I want 20,000 people to come and and sit outside of this house because the the people that I see that are there those are all small business owners and they're not just random people showing up for the cause I went early part of the reason that caused me to do the protest with my business was just showing up there an hour early and talking to people and just being heartbroken by the fact that I wasn't alone.

Like everybody's story is the same as mine.

Nobody's getting any kind of relief.

And this really wouldn't be such an issue, but sole proprietors aren't getting anything.

And when you have double bills and double rent or a mortgage and a rent or you're buying a building and them business loans, and people just think that we're being selfish.

But what it is, is we're trying to keep our dream alive and nobody's getting any help.

You can't call anywhere because the lines are all busy.

Most of the major bank sources

seem like they don't really care about the little money, you know?

It's really disheartening.

Yeah,

Matthew, as a business owner myself, I completely relate.

I've been thinking about my my dad a lot.

He was a small business owner, had a small bakery in a little teeny town, and there's no way we would have survived this as a family.

There's just no way

if he couldn't open his doors.

And I know my dad would have done the same thing that you just did.

In fact, he would have opened and started selling stuff.

And he would have said, arrest me.

I'm feeding my children.

And I have a right to do that.

I think we are headed for a real,

perhaps healthy civil rights era, where we are actually going back and looking at the Constitution and

understanding our rights.

I wish you the best.

I wish you peace and success in all that you do, Matthew.

Thank you so much.

That's Matthew Myers.

He's from Apex Tattoo Factory in North Carolina, defying the governor there, Roy Cooper's executive order.

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His name is Jason Buttrill, and he is

an amazing guy.

He has been now named our head writer and chief researcher on all things.

He's responsible for a lot of what we

expose on any of our specials on Wednesday night.

I've asked him to look into this Venezuela operation,

and he joins us now.

Hi, Jason.

How are you?

Hey, Glenn, doing good.

Thanks for having me.

So

this

story here on Venezuela is

amazing.

And they have just now

trotted one of these former, I think, Green Berets or Special Forces members out in front of television in Venezuela.

And I'll ask you to tell me about them here in just a second.

But he was arrested in Venezuela

and admitted to a plot to capture President Maduro.

He said that he and six Venezuelan mercenaries, along with another American, were commanded by Donald Trump

to go and kidnap Maduro.

That doesn't sound like a very good plan, if indeed it's true.

Do you believe it came from the White House in any way, shape, or form?

Absolutely not.

And I think that's the best way to or the best jumping off point to look at the story because I've looked into the story.

I've actually reached out to people that were, I don't want to say involved, and I'm going to be very careful to keep their identities hidden.

But

they did go to the training camps, which were in Colombia.

They did help initially in some of the training, but one of the reasons why they backed out was because they said that there was no support from any government whatsoever.

There was no support from the transition government with Gallardo and Venezuela, and there was definitely no U.S.

government support.

And that caused many people to say, look, I don't want to have anything to do with this.

So they went down, the people you spoke to, went down and were part of this training early on and then figured it out and went, this is crazy.

Yeah, I mean, they reported,

they reported, you know, malnourished soldiers on the ground.

They reported a lack of weapons.

They reported a low amount of actual soldiers that could pull this off.

So the people that were involved were, you know, to be pretty bluntly,

known drug traffickers.

In fact, the head, His name is Alcala, was a general under Chavez, and he's been a dissident.

He

separated from the Maduro military.

He was involved in the get-go from a lot of the armed uprisings we saw back in April of last year.

He is now in a U.S.

prison because he was involved with Chavez to smuggle cocaine up into the United States.

These are the people that were involved here.

So who was paying for it?

Was he involved in paying for it?

Very good question, because the American contractor that kind of set everything up, the former special Green Beret, Jordan Goudreau, he said that initially they had the Venezuelan transition government on board.

They promised to pay them money, but the money never showed up.

Now, there's been a lot of people who've been trying to follow the money trail.

There's been multiple millionaires, billionaires, some of them in the United States who initially sounded like they were giving some money.

But it pretty much sounds like once they figured out the scope of this, that they actually were going to do an invasion with 300 men, Glenn.

The Venezuelan army has over 140,000.

Now, they had 300 men.

300.

I mean,

you know, that'sn't that that famous movie, 300, and that famous story from what, Troy?

300 men?

It's not even happening.

Yeah,

it is crazy.

Now, Maduro is taking this guy, and he is just spilling his guts, but he's saying that a company called Silver Corp Corp

was involved in this.

What is Silver Corp?

So, Silver Corp is Jordan Goudro's, the former Green Beret.

It's his company.

If you look on it, it looks like a lot of

the contractor, shady contractor-type websites.

There's really no way to get in contact with them.

They just show them doing pictures of cool stuff, you know, wearing earpieces or, you know, running around with their shirts off up mountains and stuff and saying they can provide.

So, it's like

a

Blackwater wannabe.

Exactly.

Less legit.

So like Blackwater, the way they would operate is they would get a government contract that's fully sponsored by the U.S.

government, and they would go do something.

That's the first way you can do those things.

The second is you get full support from the host nation.

Some contractors do that.

This guy went option C, which was none of the above.

We're just going to say screw it, gather a bunch of guys and go in.

Yeah.

And their plan was to go take the airport.

I mean, this guy describes it on television in Venezuela that my job was to take the airport and secure the

him

to take the airport and secure the perimeter.

What was their plan beyond that?

So from what I can tell, what they expected was they're claiming to have larger support within Venezuela.

Now, that very well could be true, but I guess really to fully understand it, we've got to go back to April of 2019.

April 2019, I don't know if you remember, but that's when there was an actual like kind of turn in some of the soldiers.

There was that big uprising at one of the military bases.

Gallardo kind of emerged at that point.

The U.S.

government said, okay, we support this guy.

And we thought more military were going to start flipping.

Well, that failed.

When that failed, I always wondered what happened to those guys.

Where'd they go?

Well, they went to Colombia.

And this story continues as all coup stories happen in a Marriott in Bogota, Colombia.

Don't all coup stories.

They end up in the city.

Of course they do.

I don't know why they do it.

Yes, yes.

They always do.

So that's when all of these guys are.

These guys are clean.

They have a Bible

in the bedside.

And so it's, you know, I mean, even revolutionaries want a nice place to stay.

So what happens to this guy?

I mean, first of all, he is claiming on television that he got his orders direct from Donald Trump,

which

is laughable.

I mean, there's no Donald Trump, if he's going to go in, he's going in.

He's not going in with this guy.

Yeah.

No, this is dumb.

Nobody would support this plan.

His claims are absolutely false, which we've verified ourselves.

I don't know what happens to him.

Pompeo said yesterday that the U.S.

government was going to do what they could to try and get them back.

But I personally don't think that they're going to be able to do anything.

We've already got sanctions on them.

We're not going to push this too far because it wasn't sanctioned.

And then we don't want to make anyone who's going to be able to do that.

Wait, wait, wait, yeah.

Why would we want these guys back?

I mean,

you know, if if I go into another country and I break the law, I have to pay the price in that the United States government's not going to come and save me.

You know, I have to pay the fine or go to jail or whatever it is.

These guys were going in to

foment a revolution and a coup.

And while I agree with the goal, I didn't,

why are we saving them?

That's true.

We'll come down directly to that.

And, you know,

these were big boys.

They knew what they were doing.

This is awful.

The situation is awful.

I think the official numbers are around nine men died, including the Americans that were captured.

They're alive, but it was a, it was a tragedy.

And, you know, this kind of all, this really all falls on Jordan Goudreau, the guy that, you know, started this.

It was his plan.

He was in command of these guys.

He convinced them to go.

Jordan Goudreau, if he's even listening to this, you need to go offer yourself.

You need to go say, hey, look, I offer myself.

Let my men go.

because this is all on his shoulders.

A 300-troop plan to topple a government is absolutely ridiculous.

It's all on his shoulders.

He needs to trade himself for his men and get them out of there.

Well, you know how ridiculous this charge is when the media, who has tried to pin everything on Donald Trump, I mean everything, when the media is not running with this as an attempted coup.

You know, it would be very damaging if

it were a coup that Donald Trump had done, if it was a, you know,

Iran-Contra kind of thing, but it's so clearly not that even the mainstream media is not running with that narrative.

Now, this is basically like,

I don't know, this is more like Bay of Pigs if the Apple Dumpling gang grabbed the local crime lord and said, hey, let's go invade the country or something like that.

And the way they tied it to Donald Trump is to say, look, this guy did security with Trump.

And they pull all these screenshots of him providing security at a lot of Trump rallies.

Hey, I'm sorry, but probably every contractor in America, when they're not overseas, has provided security for President Trump at one of his rallies.

So that's easy to find.

There's no, absolutely no connection between this guy and Donald Trump, besides the fact that he knew Trump's former bodyguard and used that connection to become, you know, us to do security at some of these.

That is it.

That's all.

Unbelievable.

Thank you very much, Jason.

I appreciate it.

And keep us up to speed on this because I find this story fascinating.

Just fascinating.

I was watching this

hostage video, if you will, where

he's saying all these things.

And I thought to myself, I haven't seen this, I think, since the Cold War.

I haven't seen anything like this.

I mean,

it's just bizarre, just bizarre.

Any idea how he's probably being treated or why he's saying these things?

Is he being tortured?

Or is this just him just,

I don't know, trying to get preferential treatment?

Well, he's been given the same treatment I've been given and he's probably tapping into that as Sere Survival Evasion Resistance Escape.

And what he's doing right now is delaying as long as possible.

So he'll give out information.

It sounds bad that he's admitting to things, but he's doing what he has to do in order to save, to stall for time so that he can survive.

So that's what he's doing right now.

He's giving them little bits of information.

He's giving them little bits of little victories for them so he can get small victories for himself.

Maybe I shouldn't be saying a lot of this where I get in trouble and I get a knock on the door from a guy in a black suit, but he's doing exactly what he needs to do to stall for time.

Right.

And we've seen this happen before, and our military always knows about what these guys are doing.

Unfortunately, this guy

is out on his own.

I would be for rescuing people.

If our president or our Pentagon was behind it and it was a failed deal, we have a responsibility to that individual to go save them, but not if you're doing this on your own.

Not if you're doing it on your own.

And

it's a totally different story.

So thank you very much, Jason.

I appreciate it.

You bet.

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So,

Donald Trump's valet

has tested positive for coronavirus.

That's not good.

The president has been retested and he has come clean on his test.

But the big question is,

I didn't even know there were valets anymore.

I mean, what is this?

Downtown Abbey?

What the hell?

I must be dressed for dinner.

Tie my tie for me, please.

What the hell is a valet do?

I don't know.

I guess it says in the article that they're like

high-ranking military officials, basically.

They're highly trained

in the military.

It's not just some passing job that they give out to the local parking establishment.

It's apparently being that close to the president

is a pretty big deal.

Throw the keys to the beast to the valet.

I don't think that's happening.

Who knew?

I'd like someone qualified other than just the guy who could fit that sized red jacket to park the beast, please.

Yeah.

But so a valet used to be somebody who

was in charge of the personal dressings and everything else that the, you know, the guy would need.

So he would lay out his suit and tie and then actually help him get dressed.

I'm sure that's not happening.

But

then it became the parking guy.

What is a valet?

What does the presidential, look this up real quick?

Just do a search.

What does the presidential valet do

besides have coronavirus?

Presidential valets.

Here we go.

Okay.

All right.

Oh, he's got more than one?

Well, I mean, this is going back in history.

Well, it does seem like there was something to do with the clothing back in the day.

Well, that's what it was back in the day.

Let's see.

Some would

wake him up and remind him of the day's schedule.

This was,

I mean, it seems like a personal assistant-ish type of thing.

I don't know.

I mean, who knows?

I don't know.

I just hope he's not getting the president sick.

Yeah, and I mean, why do you have to be a trained military guy to do that?

Other than, I mean, you know, are you this guy that's like, hey, dude, we got to go.

You're late.

For what?

I don't know.

But you're late.

Come on, let's go.

They're just telling me you got to go.

Is that what the ballet does?

This is a good question.

And we should add Brad Meltzer would have known this off the top of his head.

He would have known this.

Yes, we should have asked him.

He would have known it.

He would have known the names of the most important valets in history, too.

And he was written six books about different valets throughout history.

Yeah.

You didn't read my book, Being the Presidential Valet.

According to the White House Historical Society, there are few people who work more closely, physically speaking, with the president and his family than the president's valet.

Position dates back to George Washington.

Every president has had at least one valet who helps him dress, maintains his clothes, and sees to his personal needs within the residence.

Who knew?

Who knew?

No wonder people watched the drink.

Wait, that's still the job?

That's what it seems like.

Indicators.

So the guy with the clothing, valets were personal assistants, messengers, confidants, nurses, barbers, bartenders, waiters, public relations agents, and companions.

Okay, so, wow.

Okay, so the valet would be the guy who gets him the Big Mac,

and then, when the special sauce is on his jacket, he also has to go upstairs and get another jacket for him.

There you go.

Nice and easy.

Okay, all right.

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