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Nancy Pelosi

is going down the same road as Joe Biden.

God

help us if the Democrats win in the next election.

We're all gonna,

they are all gonna need tracking devices because we're just gonna need to.

All right, the president is out of the White House.

I don't know.

We just found him walking around in his robe about three blocks away.

Can somebody please keep their eye on the president?

That's the way it's gonna be.

And Nancy Pelosi isn't any better.

She says says that she is not going to do any kind of tax plan.

No, no, no, no.

A tax cut?

Absolutely off the table.

Is it, Nancy?

Why?

Wait until you hear her try to explain that and what is really coming in our economy.

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You know, last night

I went back and I read a couple of speeches.

And, you know, maybe tomorrow we're going to go through them.

But I read the 1981 first inaugural speech of Ronald Reagan.

And then I read the 33 first inaugural speech from FDR.

That's the famous one, We Have Nothing to Fear But Fear Itself.

And both of them have something in common.

They're uniquely different.

FDR just talks about the corruption and how the government needs to

get involved in control things, where Ronald Reagan said the exact opposite.

But they both talked about fear.

The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

Now, he wasn't talking about the fear of a distant enemy.

He was talking about the fear that we had that we would never be the same, that we would never recover.

Okay, so this is the thing that we really need to conquer here.

And this COVID-19 talk is not helping us.

I mean, I read stories every single day, all the time, that say, you know, we should be in for the next year.

We should be in for the next to two years.

Well, you know, airplane travel is a thing of the past.

We're not going back to the skies.

What are you crazy?

Let me flip this around.

You know, one of my favorite stories today is Tom Cruise and Elon Musk are in talks right now to shoot the first movie in space.

Thank you.

That's who we are.

That's who we are.

And I spend 10 minutes just thinking, only Tom Cruise, only Tom Cruise.

And he could be sucked out of an airlock and he'll be like, no, I gotta do it myself.

No stunt double.

You just want me to open my helmet shield outside?

Okay, I'll give it a shot.

Let's get it in one take.

That's who we are.

We're explorers.

We are not people that sit around on our hands.

And that is one, just one of the problems that is currently happening in the United States.

First of all, we've got to get rid of the fear.

What happened in 2008?

In 2008, we had the fear that the entire thing is going to be shut down.

And so what did we do?

We ran to TARP.

Huge mistake.

Huge mistake.

What did we do

after 9-11?

We were fearful.

So we ran immediately to the government and got the Patriot Act.

Huge mistake.

Can we stop repeating the pattern?

We've got to stop repeating the pattern.

And the pattern is the government takes more control because

you have fear and you want someone to protect you.

Now, I want to play this audio from Nancy Pelosi, who was talking with

CNN and Wolf Blitzer.

Wolfie was on to talk about some tax cuts, a payroll tax cut.

Everyone would get a payroll tax cut.

The reason why a lot of people in Washington don't want a payroll tax cut is because once you see how much you are actually making and earning every single month, trying to get that baby and that genie back into the bottle is going to be really difficult.

But that's not why Nancy Pelosi doesn't want it.

Here she is trying to explain.

Listen.

Is a payroll tax cut okay from your point of view, or is it a non-starter?

It is non-starter.

And if it is a non-starter, Madam Speaker, why is a payroll tax cut a non-starter?

First of all,

first of all, this is all to be related to the coronavirus.

We have enormous, enormous costs, much of it incurred because the president was in denial early on.

Okay, so we got to blame the reaction to it, caused deaths.

But what's wrong with the payroll tax cut?

We have $500 billion for state,

$250,000, maybe $300 billion for local.

This is a way for us to address

the situation.

There are other things, direct payment, unemployment insurance, issues like PPP.

There's a great deal of money that is being put out there.

Ah, okay.

So

let me ask you something.

Stuff.

Yes.

If I had a shovel and we were out digging a ditch and I was holding a shovel,

how much sense would it make if we were really in a crisis and we really needed to get things done to hire someone to take my shovel,

cut a little bit of the handle off of that shovel,

then give it to you.

You cut a little bit of the handle off and then hand it back to me

Who does that make any sense at all?

It seems suboptimal Glenn.

Yeah, it does okay We all have the shovel We all have the money that they're trying to give us Okay, they're taking it from us taking a little bit out giving it to somebody else who will also take a little bit out and then handing it back to us What the hell is that?

That didn't make sense.

You know what that does?

That diminishes your dollar.

It diminishes what you have and it gives the power to the people that we have to look at and go, can we just get our damn shovel back, please?

It also gives the power.

It empowers them.

And it gives them the opportunity to take the piece of the handle that they've taken from our shovel and give it to some other random ditch digger somewhere else.

They get to redistribute it to whatever design they're going for.

And then say, I'm going to give that to these other people here who have no shovels.

And then they'll give them that piece of the handle that is not a shovel it's just a piece of a handle and say you know why you don't have a shovel because these people over here are all hoarding the shovels it doesn't make any sense no sense

fear makes us do these things fear

And wanting somebody in charge.

Well, you're in charge.

Welcome to America.

You're in charge.

That's the way it's supposed to be.

Now, let's go back 2008.

What happened?

Well, we let somebody else be in charge take the shovel.

They took our shovel.

They cut about half the handle off and said, we're going to help people.

They gave that half and many of the shovels to the banking system and said, okay, now it's fixed.

Now they're not afraid.

Well, no, they were afraid because we no longer had shovels.

So they were like, I can't give this person a loan.

How's he going to make any money?

He doesn't have a job.

You know, he doesn't have a shovel.

Okay.

So what did they do?

Because of their fear of us,

they were like, you know what?

I'd rather invest this money someplace else.

I'm going to make it a little harder to get loans.

Okay.

Okay.

All right.

Now,

since this bailout, Chase is now requiring a credit score of at least 700 for all new home loans.

They're one of the financial institutions also now requiring at least 20% down.

So you have to have a credit score of 700 and at least 20% down.

Okay, well maybe, maybe that's what we should have been the whole time.

I don't know.

I know that because of the government, who wants to give pieces of shovels to everybody, They've made it really easy to get loans.

And so what happens?

You make it too easy.

Oh, you don't need any ID.

You don't even need a job.

You want a house?

Here, here's one in Beverly Hills.

Okay, well, that doesn't make any sense.

Now, Chase

didn't disclose the previous

down payments, but records show it used to be about 6% down.

So you could put 6% down.

Well, that's ridiculous.

That's ridiculous.

I remember when 10% loans,

you know, where you had to put 10% down, that was a good deal.

20% was usual.

I think when I was growing up, it may have been 30%.

So the home that you have purchased or the mortgage that you have or the loan, would you have been approved under the new Chase standards?

No.

And Chase isn't the only one.

Everybody's doing this.

Why?

Because they are afraid.

That you're not going to have a job.

They're going to be stuck with a bill.

Okay.

All right.

Equity homes are

equity loans are getting even harder to get.

Now,

this is going to have a dramatic impact on the U.S.

economy because not only are the consolidation loans, but credit cards are getting harder to get.

They're lowering the limits now on what you can spend.

They're upping the interest rates, and they're canceling some cards.

Some cards are just being canceled without any notice.

They're just canceling them.

All right, well, that's a problem because we're a consumer-driven economy.

Remember, we don't create anything, we're the buyers of everything

as designed not by you, not by me, but by our government.

So, when we open up the economy, how fast are you going to a concert?

How fast are you going to a

crowded restaurant?

And why?

why what is the coronavirus like in your town

what is the coronavirus like in your state if you're living in new york i get it if you're living in new york city i get it

but if you're living someplace in the middle of the country why can you imagine can you imagine if

If the coronavirus would have killed, you know, 20% of the population of Des Moines, Iowa.

Do you think that New York City would be closed?

Do you think New York City would have closed everything because there was a pandemic in Des Moines, Iowa?

No.

So why is Des Moines, Iowa closed?

Because there's a massive pandemic in New York.

New York would not have closed for a pandemic in any small town in America.

It could have wiped everybody out in Lubbock, Texas, and they still would be open today.

So why is it reversed?

Why is it reversed?

Why are we closing all of America down?

Why don't we have any kind of

local control

when people are struggling?

They're opening now in California, willing to go to jail because they're like, I'm going to be, jail is better than living under a bridge.

And you know what's crazy?

All of these states are opening up their jails.

Did you hear in California the guy who was arrested three times?

Three times yesterday he was arrested.

Three times you're,

three times, you're right.

Three strikes, you're out.

Isn't that California?

No, not anymore.

Guy was arrested yesterday, three times.

But because they decided, ah, no bail.

They took him to the station house.

He went out.

He committed another crime.

They caught him.

He took him to the station house.

He got out.

He committed another crime.

He took him to the station house.

He got out.

Whoa.

So we're taking people who are just trying to stay in business and we are taking them and throwing them in jail.

A jail where they say the coronavirus is rampant, so we have to let all these criminals out.

And you're taking people who aren't criminals, who are just trying to survive, and you're putting them in jail.

When did the world go mad?

And when did America forget the only thing we have to fear is fear itself?

When did America forget who we are?

That we are the people that went to the moon.

We are the people that crossed the Rocky Mountains.

If you've never driven across the Rocky Mountains, you must do it.

You must do it.

You're probably going to do it because God only knows when the airlines are going to open up again.

And God only knows when people are going to be willing to get onto a flight again.

But cross the Rocky Mountains because my son and I did it last summer.

And we drove and we drove and we joked the entire way.

So if you were a pioneer and you didn't know how far this mountain range was going or what was on the other side even, tell me where you'd stop.

We both said Denver.

That's as far, actually, I said the Missouri River, but we didn't drive over the Missouri River.

I would have looked at the river and went,

have fun, guys.

If I would have crossed the Missouri River, I definitely would have stopped at Denver.

Nice place.

Look at the mountain.

No, I don't think so.

Then, if you decided to go up over the mountain, you get to the first peak to where you think, oh man, I just got to get over this peak.

Then you see a sea of peaks.

Then you're like, I would have, that's the place I would have killed the guy who convinced me to go over the mountain because now it's too late.

That's who we are.

Not the Mis,

the ones who actually crossed it.

We need to convince our leadership to sit down, shut up while the people lead.

Because

we're not afraid.

And quite honestly, they're not afraid of us.

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When we come back,

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the the top of the hour.

We'll get into that here in a second.

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So glad that you are here today.

We've got a lot happening that you need to know about.

We have Katie McFarlane.

She's going to be on with us here in just a little while.

And

Katie is an amazing woman

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She was working with

Flynn at the National Security Council and

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And the story she has to tell is phenomenal.

And she's going to be on, we're going to go over what's happening to General Flynn.

This is absolutely, absolutely criminal.

That's coming up in about 30 minutes from now.

Yesterday, Dave Rubin was on with us, and we want to thank Media Matters for their support of the program.

Media Matters, of course, is

now a subscriber to the Blaze, and thank you for that, too.

But they watch us all the time to make sure that we haven't done anything crazy.

So here's what they posted yesterday.

In exchange on ending social distancing policies.

Dave Rubin, a little risk is part of life.

That's actually part of the human experience.

Glenn Beck, I don't have a right to be safe from infections.

Dot, dot, dot.

I'm born without that natural right.

Oh, my gosh.

And Bill Maher say the exact same thing the other night?

Yep.

Yep.

Is he in the Media Matters report?

I'm assuming he is.

No.

Uh-uh.

No.

And you know what?

Even without the context, I stand by those two statements.

We have no idea what the dot, dot, dot was, but but uh, yeah, I mean, yeah, no, you're not gonna be able to.

Stand by them, stand by them.

We all have not gotten that, and you've been very, I mean, again, like, I think standing out in the, especially on the right side of the aisle, is taking this seriously long before the mainstream media was taking it seriously.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, like, this, this, like, it's just such like a, it's such a boilerplate sort of formulaic delivery they got going on these days.

I don't know.

Maybe they only have bots working there.

I don't even, do they even have humans there anymore?

I mean, these are, these are, these are lazy attempts.

They used to be good at this.

Well, people used to be outraged by

common sense.

Now I think it's coming back into fashion.

They're like, oh,

yeah, I don't seem to have a problem with that one.

Yeah.

I don't, yeah, closing down the entire country.

Because what we were talking about was opening it up by regions, opening it up by...

you know, by the locals and not being a slave all the way across the nation.

Would you say it it may be more efficient policies implemented by the state?

Would that be a way that you might phrase something like that?

Might be.

Because that's how the Imperial College

model outlined the appropriate response for the United States, which would be more...

And again, that's the one that predicted multiple millions dead if we didn't do anything.

It was the thing that everybody in the scientific community ran to immediately.

They specifically, in the document, in the initial model, said much in the United States as opposed to the UK, it would be more sensible to do it perhaps by the state for more efficiency.

And that does seem to be more efficient.

We're a big, big country.

It goes back to what you talked about earlier in the hour, where Des Moines didn't have an outbreak and New York City did.

Maybe those two areas should be handled differently.

And it's not just right-wingers saying that.

That comes from the Imperial College model that initially started all of this talk.

So that's kind of

is the Imperial College listed in the Media Matters report?

Maybe they're in there too.

No, no, they're, yeah, certainly, certainly not.

But we now have a reset button that is being pushed mainly by California.

California, let me just give you a couple of the things that are going on right now.

There's a new renewed push

from the left in California

to California cash bail system, which voters are set to rule on, whether to scrap

coming up in November's election.

What they're doing is reducing all cash bail for the low-level offenses to zero to reduce jail populations and slow the spread of the coronavirus.

Well,

here's the problem.

They're depopulating the prisons and the jails, and they're putting other people in jail.

And I told you just a minute ago where you had a guy yesterday arrested three separate times, three separate times, and released without bail.

Then he came out and did it again

in one day, three separate times.

It's insane.

And so, what they're trying to do now is not just the bail, but they're trying all of the criminal, you know, social justice reforms and trying to depopulate the prison system and everything else.

And they're doing it by using the coronavirus.

They're also

looking into

different

things like the

firearms restrictions.

Here is something guaranteed by the Constitution, and they say that it's not an essential service.

Buying a lottery ticket is, but having access to guns or ammunition is not

while they're letting people out of jail.

Homelessness, they are now trying to.

I'm quoting the Democratic politicians.

We're aiming for the fences.

We're playing for the long game.

They are now looking to get grants on houses for the homeless because they want to give all the homeless people homes.

And guess who will pay for that?

Yes, FEMA, the United States government, otherwise known as

you.

Also are looking, they're the first state to borrow money from the federal government.

We should not be lending California money.

Sorry, I don't think, would you lend them, if you were a bank, would you lend them the money?

Do they have that kind of credit score?

Really?

Do they have a 700 credit score?

Are they able to even put 20%

down?

And if they default on that, what do we get in return?

Because I'll take a beach or two.

As the United States, I say we free California.

We start down at the border.

We start in San Diego.

Ah, okay, good.

You got two years to pay that back.

You didn't pay it back?

Great.

We take San Diego County.

Oh, you didn't pay that back?

Good.

We take Anaheim.

And it just becomes property of the United States and

no longer California.

I don't know.

We give it to Arizona.

I don't know who we give it to, but enough with California.

They are now taking the

one-time cash payments of $500.

So they're taking our money and giving $500 time to all illegal immigrants.

Okay, did you, are you okay with this?

Because I'm definitely, definitely not.

Again, I go back to Nancy Pelosi where she said, you know, there's other ways the government is going to bail people out.

We don't need tax cuts.

No, tax cuts are the most immediate.

They're the most immediate and they go to everybody.

There's no picking and choosing and nobody in power that's deciding what to do.

That's why they don't like it because they need someone in power.

And what a tax cut does, it empowers you to spend your money the way you think it will most help.

It's your money.

I urge the president

to declare the United States of America an economic empowerment zone.

If we had economic empowerment zones, the entire country,

I think we would, you know, maybe do some good.

What it does is

it

is designed to aid and lift communities out of poverty.

And what do they do?

They don't dump a bunch of money in, they

relieve people of many of the federal restrictions on businesses.

And if you're creating jobs, you can count that against your taxes.

Why can't we do this?

It makes, have you ever heard of Shinola?

Shinola is this great company out of Detroit because Detroit became an economic empowerment zone.

And so what happens is they get extra tax benefits for going into these places and creating jobs.

They also

get relief on some of the

federal standards, etc., etc.

Why aren't we doing that to the United States?

Why?

Because they don't trust you.

They don't trust business.

They don't trust small business.

They'll trust GE till the cows come home.

They'll trust Citicorp.

They'll trust Wells frickin Fargo till the cows come home.

They'll trust the state of California,

but not you.

Donald Trump, please,

economic empowerment zones.

Make all 50 states economic empowerment zones.

You immediately cut all of the regulation.

You immediately give tax cuts to everybody who's creating a job.

You don't have to have,

you don't need anybody to give pick and choose tax cuts.

The people who have money to invest to create jobs, people who are just barely

on the edge,

they'll be able to open their stuff back up and for jobs created,

they'll be able to write that off on taxes.

That is fantastic.

Sounds like it's too logical, doesn't it?

Sounds like something that we just can't.

Let me just stop here.

do you think if the senate

i'm sorry if the house and the senate wanted to find out if tara reeds names were were in the records do you think if it was adam schiff and the perpetrator was donald trump we could find anything

they would have those records literally by hook or by crook.

Now,

nope, they can't.

They just, uh-uh.

They just can't open up those records in the House and the Senate.

And boy, would they like to?

Yes, they would.

Yes, they would.

But they just ain't got some rules that they just can't.

Who's actually fighting for you?

Who's actually fighting for the republic?

Nobody, it seems.

Because we are acting like sheep.

Because we are afraid.

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She was an aide to Henry Kissinger on the National Security Council.

She She has won the Defense Department's highest civilian

honor.

She

received the Distinguished Service Award.

She's an alumni of George Washington University, Oxford, and MIT.

She is kind of credible.

She was

one of the most prominent

conservative

foreign policy experts out there.

She was on Fox for years and years and years.

She was President Trump's first deputy national security advisor and helped Trump turn many of his campaign promises into foreign policy and actually get things done.

Well,

she was working with General Flynn and the FBI came in and

took General Flynn out.

He pleaded guilty.

The FBI questioned her.

There was nothing wrong with her, but she has been so discredited.

It is awful what has happened.

And America needs to hear the story, especially now with General Flynn, because we now have things coming out and being released that nobody seems to be paying attention to that really calls into question whether we can trust our intelligence and

national security

when it comes to the Justice Department,

what they are finding out about Russia.

Can we trust any of this?

Katie McFarlane is here now with us.

Hi, Katie.

Hi, Glenn.

It's great to be with you.

So I want to start with this.

You just wrote an editorial.

The last thing National Security Pfizer Michael Flynn said to me when he left our West Wing office for the very last time was laced with irony.

You know, I joined the military to fight the Russians.

You were there,

and

he made a deal with the government, but he shouldn't have made the deal with the government, should he?

No.

No.

But the problem is that they blackmail people.

I didn't realize when they came to me to try to set me up that they had conducted themselves the same way with General Flynn.

I mean, his lawyers, my lawyers said, you know, I couldn't talk to Flynn.

So I was operating and flying blind.

But it turns out now with the stories that have come out, and I write about it at great length in my book of the tactics, that the FBI was doing exactly the same thing to him.

Show up at the office.

In my case, they showed up at my home without warning and then said, well, you know, don't you want to help us find out what the Russians did?

And I said, yeah, sure, more than anybody.

I want to find out what the Russians did and make sure they can't do it again.

And so then I said, well, do I need a lawyer?

Flynn, they did the same thing to Flynn.

Well, the implication was you don't really need a lawyer.

When I asked them directly, they said, we can't tell you not to get a lawyer, but we're just here to ask you some questions, to get some context of what went on, yada, yada, yada.

And then it turns out that they had seized all of my government records, which by law I had turned over to the government when I left.

My cell phone logs, text messages, emails, everything.

They had done the same to Flynn.

And then they kept them.

They controlled what I was able to see, and they cherry-picked what they wanted.

And in most cases, they showed me things out of context, or

they showed me an email which, you know, the subject had been deleted, three of the four paragraphs had been redacted, and then they asked me about it.

And at a certain point, I said, well, can I see these all at the same time or in chronological order?

And I should have known at that point.

The FBI said, that's not how we do things.

And at the end of the day, they were trying to trick me.

It was like they had the answer key because they had all the files.

I was working just from memory.

And if they got me to say something like, oh, well, it happened on Tuesday night, but the phone call really happened on Wednesday morning, they could jump up and say, you're lying.

That's a lie.

You're trying to dissemble us.

You know, you're lying to the FBI.

That's a perjury charge.

And they tried to trick me that way, and they obviously tried to trick General Sun that way.

They had the transcript of a phone call that he had with the Russian ambassador, Glenn, and they were asking him questions about the phone call, which he didn't have a transcript of.

He didn't remember very well.

And that was the beginning of their charges against Flynn.

That's not the way you conduct yourself if you're really actually trying to tell the truth.

And you didn't get an attorney for a while because you thought that, you know, you were just...

You've done this forever.

Katie, have you ever seen anything like this?

I mean, you've been with Nixon, Reagan,

what's the other administration you were with?

You forged.

I mean, I've been through Watergate.

I've been through Iran-Contra.

I've been through everything.

And nothing.

Right.

Nothing really.

Have you ever seen it?

No, nothing.

But after September 11th, we gave the intelligence community enormous power.

And I think that's a good thing because they were supposed to use it to go after terrorists, mass murderers, et cetera.

But in the Obama administration, the senior officials of the intelligence community use those powers to go after political opponents.

And that's the dangerous thing that's happened.

And as you point out, my career was destroyed.

General Flynn's has been destroyed.

And in the end of the day, I wasn't, I never would plead guilty to a crime I didn't commit.

And I refused to implicate General Flynn or President Trump in crimes they didn't commit.

which was what the FBI and the Mueller people implied I should do and they would go away if I did that.

I wouldn't do it, knowing full well that I might have to fight them in court and go bankrupt and everything else.

General Flynn had an additional pressure point, though.

They threatened his son.

And so he sacrificed himself to protect his son.

He pled guilty to a crime he did not commit in order to get his son free from the clutches of the Mueller investigators.

That's how bad it's gotten.

And you know, at the end of the day, Glenn, it's not about Flynn.

It's not about me.

It's about a group of people who are unelected, unaccountable to anybody, the deep state.

They didn't like the election results in 2016.

So they were going to either take the president out, take his advisors out, or make sure he couldn't govern.

When they said

in that memo that was just released, you know, what is our goal here?

Are we trying to find the truth, or are we trying to get him to lie so we can, you know, take him out, charge him with a crime, or get him

out of the administration?

I found that a little frightening myself, and I know that they try to do perjury traps, but is this the kind of perjury trap that

the FBI always uses?

Because they're trying to say that

they did nothing different than they normally do.

Well, that's even more terrifying.

Is this how they treat Americans

they don't like?

You know, either you choose.

Either they abused their power in going after Flynn and myself and others, or they didn't abuse their power, that this is the power that they've decided to use against everybody.

And I find that even more terrifying.

You know, here's one of the real motivations behind going to Flynn as opposed to other people in the administration.

At first was because Flynn and I and the president had already talked about streamlining the intelligence community.

Flynn had done done it when he was head of the defense intelligence agency in the Obama administration.

He streamlined it.

He changed how they collected intelligence, how they analyzed it.

And the deep state, the guys and the 16 sprawling intelligence agencies, they didn't want anything to change.

So it was a preemptive strike against Flynn.

Take him out before he has a chance to get his feet in and then start looking at the intelligence community because that was Trump's job.

And we did.

We looked at the foreign policy of the Obama administration, the defense policy, and the intelligence policy.

And there were a lot of changes made, but not to the intelligence community because Flynn had been preemptively taken out.

So

I've talked to people in Washington and they've said, Glenn, at least...

30% across the board just has to be cut because it's so infected now.

It's just, it's just out of control.

I I don't see this happening, especially when they have the power that they do.

I mean, you talk about, you know, if this is what they'll do to you guys, you know,

they'll do it to the average citizen.

What's truly frightening is doing it to the average citizen would never come to light.

These guys are so confident that they can do it to some of the biggest names that we all know and the president of the United States.

They're not afraid.

What chance do we have of cleaning this up and getting this in order?

Well, I've always believed sunlight is the best disinfectant.

And you're right.

They came after Flynn, who was one of Obama's, I mean, one of

General Flynn is one of Trump's top advisors.

They came after me.

I was the most powerful woman in the West Wing of the White House, one of the most powerful people in the national security community.

And if they could take us down, and just, as you point out, nobody else has a chance.

The other thing that they understand

is that they can bankrupt bankrupt you, whether they find you guilty of something, whether you are, whether they charge you with a crime.

If they don't like you, they can bankrupt you because you have to pay for your own lawyer's fees.

They have infinite resources

and infinite ability to get everything,

every kind of record there is.

So for General Flynn's case, he lost his house, he lost his pension, he's millions of dollars in debt.

My legal defense cost me high six figures, and I didn't even meet any Russians.

And

as you point out, I'm not new to this game.

But the over-abuse is pretty significant.

I think that's why it's really important to re-elect President Trump, because he's promised me personally a number of times, we're going to find out, we're going to get to the bottom of this, and we're going to get rid of these guys.

Otherwise,

hang on just a second.

Yeah, sure.

No, go ahead.

Finish.

Otherwise.

Otherwise, if you just get a couple of low-level, mid-level guys in in the FBI and call it a day and say, well, that was who did it, this will never stop.

It means nothing.

Yeah, it means nothing.

It's only orchestrated at the highest levels.

Okay, so I want to talk about that when we come back.

This is KT McFarland.

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And I wanted you to hear her side of the story.

She has a new book out.

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But I've wanted to talk to Katie for a while on this.

And now that we have, now that we have this information coming out about Flynn, she was right there.

She saw it all.

And they tried to do it to her.

They did it to Flynn, but they couldn't do it to her.

The book is Revolution.

I don't know exactly how she's going to pay off her bills.

I think that's why she

wrote the book.

And it is important.

It's all about the inside story of what is happening to try to take Donald Trump out.

And we'll talk to her and continue our conversation in just a minute.

The name of the book is Revolution, K.T.

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Katie, we have the

luxury today, being sarcastic, of not being able to know who to trust.

There's no real investigative reporting.

For the first time in my life, I don't trust the system.

I don't trust the FBI.

I don't trust

our intelligence community.

I don't know what the truth is on coronavirus or what's happening around the world or what's happening in our own justice system

how do who do we trust and how do we get to the truth on all of this

you know the one thing i think that i'm hopeful for is the durham investigation and the current attorney general um bill barr they have both been they have both really gone so much further than i ever thought the justice department would do you know the fbi director he's basically when he's been asked he says well we got rid of the bad guys Well, okay, but the system still, you know, we've changed a few regulations.

This is never going to happen again.

Are you kidding?

It's going to happen again and again and again until the most senior people are brought to justice.

If John Durham, who's investigating the investigators, the Mueller report and the Russian investigation, he charges people like Comey or Andrew McCabe or others at the very highest levels, then I think there is a chance that those people will be brought to justice and all the dirty linen comes out and the sunlight shines, and then maybe we can have faith again in our intelligence community, in our law enforcement community.

Right now, if an

agent came to my door, I would treat him like a vampire.

I would not let him cross my threshold.

So

I would probably do the same,

which is really sad.

We've always had trust for our law enforcement officials, and I still think the average guy is good.

I just don't trust the system anymore, and a republic will not survive without that kind of trust.

I want to continue with Katie McFarland in just a second.

She's the author of a new book called Revolution, where she looks into

how Washington attacked Donald Trump's revolution, Deep State, and so much more coming up.

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We're talking to Katie McFarland.

She is the former deputy national security advisor under Donald Trump.

She's worked for Reagan and Ford and all of them for a very long time.

She has impeccable credentials

and she has an inside look of what has happened.

She's written about it in her new book to pay her legal bills.

She's written a new book that will take you through.

It's really more like a novel, but it's all true, unfortunately, on the relentless attack on Trump and you, on the good side of nationalism.

Nationalism can be very, very bad, but nationalism, as we're now finding out with coronavirus, is also really good if it's kept in check.

This is all being done by deep state, as it has now become known, people who just do not want their power taken from them.

In fact, want more.

And KT, I want to ask you, because

when we look at this coronavirus, there are so many things that are happening that are really questionable, where we're not allowed to now listen to anybody else who has, you know, any kind of differing view scientifically on what's going on.

We are being

really put in a cage for the very first time in in American history, and people don't like it.

And it seems to me like there is a push from these big state people as how far can we push the American people and how can we use this crisis to our advantage to end

this revolution of freedom.

You know, the Chinese, it's very interesting to see the Chinese.

And my background has always been in China.

And I'm one of the first people to say we got to really watch out for China.

But the Chinese are going around the world now and telling everybody, look, we China, we know how to handle these problems.

And look at the great job we're doing.

They don't mention the fact or they ignore the fact or they try to disinform on the fact that it was because of them that the world has the problem.

But they say because they can...

They have the biggest surveillance state in world history.

I mean, it's a total surveillance state.

And they say, therefore, because we know where everybody is, we know what their temperatures are, we know what they're doing, we're able to deal with these coronavirus and these pandemics.

Just think about that for a minute.

What they're saying is that the new model of effectiveness is the Chinese surveillance state.

And there is no better example than what's happening now.

And,

you know, look, America has got to get back to work.

The Chinese don't want us to go back to work.

They want us to be bankrupt.

They want to be able to come out of this crisis within the next three or four years

as having replaced the United States.

And what does the deep state want?

They want to be in charge, too.

And I'm not saying that these are disloyal people, but they have a very different idea of the function of government.

And that's why the Constitution of the United States, and you're a historian, and I know you spent a lot of time thinking about the Constitution and our founding fathers and our foundational documents.

We have the right to revolution.

We were given that right.

And it's a political revolution.

It's our duty.

It's our duty.

The Declaration of Independence says it is not only your right, it is your duty to shake off the chains of a government that takes and abuses these rights.

That's why the American people, the only way this gets solved, whether it's the abuse of power by the Justice Department or the FBI or the coming abuse of power by the deep state government, which wants to run everything, is that we the people go to the polls, throw the bums out, and demand change.

Because otherwise it's lost.

You know,

otherwise we never get back to what we were intended to be, which is a government that is run by people and the

free choice of an individual.

I mean, I think it really is because of,

if every individual has a conscience and a soul, and every individual is responsible for the choices he makes in his life, and writ large, that's every individual together, added together, is responsible for his nation and choosing his leaders and throwing the buttons out when they don't do the job.

So people should never sit home again on Election Day.

Go to the polls, vote for the guy who's going to protect your freedom, get the country going again, because if we don't, if we just become slaves to big government, we'll never get it back.

Once it's gone, it's lost forever.

You know, there was a story that came out today how these police departments are using these Chinese-made drones, and they are afraid now that all that information is being sent back to China.

I mean,

China is a real threat, not only to the United States, but to all mankind that believes in any kind of freedom.

With what they have wanted to do with 5G and are doing to most of the world,

and their gathering of information and their gathering of lines of communication is truly terrifying.

And we don't seem to have a press.

The press is in bed with China.

Universal, Disney, all in bed with China.

And so is Google and Facebook and all of those people.

I mean,

how do you beat that?

Wall Street.

I think

the only way we, Wall Street, because they're making money on China.

And they're all such useful idiots that they don't realize what the Chinese have intended and speak openly about what their goal is.

They're creating a Eurasian trading bloc with a land-based and a maritime-based trading bloc.

There, as you point out, they want to control the internet of the future.

They want to control the technologies of the future.

And they're well on the way to doing it.

And they're using this moment of economic distress to buy up the technology companies of the West, of Britain particularly in the United States.

They're buying them at fire sale prices because they intend to be running the world when this is over.

What's our defense?

The only thing we have is the American people and

really standing up.

And as you point out, it's not just your right.

Darn it.

This time it's your responsibility.

Because four years from now, five years from now, eight years from now, it is a Chinese world order.

And then once it's gone, it never comes back.

Now, it's not too late.

But the time is to bring supply chain home, work with other countries that believe in a rule of law and democracy and free markets, and maintain the technology high ground.

Invest more in technology.

We're the greatest innovators in the world.

The Chinese cannot invent and innovate.

They can buy, they can steal, but they can't innovate.

Encourage American innovation, and then, darn it, make sure that it stays here and don't let them borrow it, buy it, steal it, or beg it for it.

Keep it.

Let me go back to General Flynn here for a second.

General Flynn was let go by the administration, not because of the FBI investigation, but because it was said that he lied to Pence.

Is that true?

You know,

I think that a lot of things led to his firing.

He was already in sort of shaky ground with President Trump and already had been pretty damaged by a lot of the press.

I think that the intelligence community was leaking

information as well as made-up information to try to discredit and destroy General Flynn.

Every three days, and

I was watching this very carefully because I had to respond to a lot of it.

General Flynn, there would be a bad story about General Flynn is bad for this reason or bad for that reason.

And it would have an echo chamber.

It usually came out in the Washington Post or the New York Times or CNN.

And then it would echo around for a day or two.

And then when it was just dying down, there'd be a new story that came out, again, emanating from the intelligence community about how bad General Flynn was.

So I think that a number of things contributed to his firing.

He was already in a pretty weakened position as National Security Advisor and because of a lot of the chaos at the beginning of the Trump administration.

Chaos that should be expected because this was not a bunch of Washington insiders moving into the White House.

It was a bunch of new people and with new ideas.

And it was a rebellion by the bureaucracy to just get rid of anybody who challenged their authority.

I don't know what General Flynn said to Vice President Pence.

Only the two of them know, and if anybody else is listening in.

So I can't really speak to did he lie, did he not lie, because I don't want to talk about something that I'm not personally knowledgeable of.

Sure.

You were offered a gig as the ambassador.

I think it was to Singapore.

That never happened.

Do you think that, because we did a lot of work into what was happening in Ukraine with the State Department, and I think the State Department is another place that just needs to be fumigated

and just that has to be cut down to the bone.

Do you think that the reason you didn't get that or why it just kind of disappeared is because you are, again, a revolutionary and there are things in the State Department that are very much like the intelligence community?

Or what happened there?

I think that what happened with me was that

my nomination to Singapore, the Democrats didn't like it because I represented Trump, but it's hard to say that I wasn't qualified.

I mean, my undergraduate degree was in Chinese.

So I think they would have had a hard time on that one.

But when the Flynn investigation got going, there were a series of leaks.

from the intelligence community or probably even from the Mueller investigation to the media that painted me as a traitor

and took emails that I'd written that I hadn't seen for a year and

cut and pasted, took them out of context, and then painted me in a very, you know, like you said, destroyed my reputation and my integrity.

And they were all made up or taken out of context and twisted around.

It's like if you say it's not going to rain today, then just take the word not out and it sounds like you're saying it's going to rain today.

So that's what they did.

And the New York Times had to retract and rewrite their story a number of times for accuracy, watering it down.

But by then it really had taken off.

So I think that at that point I didn't want to dangle in the wind.

And I asked President Trump to withdraw my nomination because the Democrats and their like-minded allies in the partisan media and in the intelligence community wanted me dangling forever.

And I said, screw that.

I'm not going to be dangled forever.

And my husband and I left the country when Mueller

realized that I wasn't going to give him what they wanted.

And And I went away and tried to make sense of it all, Glenn.

I went to the most remote part of Scotland in the Hebrides.

No phone, no Wi-Fi, no TV, no nothing.

And I just tried to think about what's going on here.

And I came out of it with actually a pretty optimistic view of America, which is the one that you and I just talked about.

This is a revolution.

America has revolutions.

We're supposed to have political revolutions, and we have them roughly every 40 years when the government gets so entrenched entrenched in its own power that it stops working for the people.

And because we're a dynamic society, we need changes, and yet government, by its very nature, is not nimble.

It's status quo.

So I think what we are going through with President Trump is a revolution.

I think we went through it with Reagan.

I think we went through it with FDR, with Teddy Roosevelt, with Abraham Lincoln, with Andrew Jackson, and then the original American Revolution.

But this is a miserable time to go through.

But when it's over, America has always emerged from these revolutions stronger, more committed, more prosperous, and a much better nation for it.

So I think that we come out of this sort of purgatory that we go through, and we'll be a better nation for it.

But only if the people participate.

Katie,

it is great to hear from you again.

It's great to talk to you again.

I've always had so much respect for your opinion and all of the work that you have done.

And I would only hope that if I had gone through what you have gone through after the decades of service to this country,

that I would be able to come out as hopeful as you are.

I can't imagine how devastating it was to have your own people turn on you and accuse you of being a traitor and to see

what the

Justice Department had turned into.

It must have been devastating.

Don't you know something?

There is an old Scottish refrain that said, I am hurt, but I am not slain.

I will lay me down and bleed a while, and then I will rise and fight again.

I'm ready to fight again.

I'm glad to hear it.

Katie McFarlane, the name of the book is Revolution, Trump's Washington, and We the People by Katie McFarlane.

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Thank you so much, Katie.

Appreciate it.

Thank you, Glenn.

Thank you.

You bet.

We'll talk to you again.

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One of the most chilling books I have ever read.

One that I probably bring up to others that have read it, or when we're talking about anything, any kind of biohazard, I always mention.

Have you ever read the book Biohazard?

It is terrifying.

It is the story of the largest covert biological weapons program in the world.

And it's told by the guy who actually

ran it.

And it was, I mean,

while we were freaking out about nuclear weapons with the Soviet Union,

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As soon as the wall came down, this guy got over to the United States quickly to tell his story.

He's with us now.

We're going to spend a few minutes with him.

We need to have him on again because he's just fascinating.

But

we want to talk to him a little bit about what's happening in China.

And is there anything we should be worried about here with the coronavirus?

What does the guy who ran a communist country's

weapons,

biological weapons laboratories, think about what happened in China and the origins of COVID-19.

We begin with him in one minute.

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he was born in Kazakhstan in 1950.

He went to the Tomzik Medical Institute in the former Soviet Union.

He majored in infectious diseases and epidemiology.

He has, and I don't know if I'd want this on my resume.

This is really kind of weird and frightening.

He holds a PhD in microbiology for research and development of the plague and tulmeria biological weapons.

He also has a doctorate of science in biotechnology for developing the technology to manufacture anthrax on an industrial scale.

He ran the Soviet Union's bioweapons labs.

And

when you read his book, which came out years ago, and you find out how he really became the director, I mean, it's terrifying what they were doing over there.

When the Soviet Union collapsed, he immediately came over and defected to the West.

He's a guy.

I'm glad he's on our side.

Welcome to the program, Ken Alavek.

Hello.

Good morning.

How are you, sir?

I'm fine.

How about you?

I'm fine.

I want to talk to you about,

first of all, for anybody who hasn't read your book, I think it came out, what, in the 90s or early 2000s?

The first edition came out in 1999.

Since then, we had several new editions here in the United States, in many other countries.

Well,

I have a first edition.

This is the most chilling book I've ever read.

Tell people the difference between the United States and the former Soviet Union on how we look for cures before we weaponize.

You didn't feel that there was any weapon that was really a good weapon in the Soviet Union unless there was no cure.

I have that right?

Absolutely.

You know,

general principles for designing and making biological weapons in the Soviet Union and the United States were absolutely different.

In the United States, there was a requirement because the United States program continued from 1943 to 1972, 71, 72.

And the major principle was not to develop any biological weapon if there is no cure of vaccination.

In the Soviet Union, the principle was different.

There was not much interest in biological weapons if there was a cure.

It doesn't mean that no weapons were developed if there was no cure.

I mean, there was cure, but major focus was on something

which wouldn't be treatable.

That's terrifying.

Now, can the difference between the the United States and the Soviet Union, especially towards the end,

in safety procedures, in these real bioweapons labs, did the Soviet Union have the kind of safety procedures that we have?

Is it the same?

Was it the same, especially towards the end?

I would say in the Soviet Union there were strong requirements just to have a very strict

base safety

for when we worked with some contagious agents.

Specifically, the work with Ebola, hemorrhagic fever, smallpox,

then Marburg hemorrhagic fever.

There was a requirement not to do any work if there was no quarantine after finishing certain work.

For example, we had some groups working, for example, for two weeks or three weeks.

Then, after finishing the work,

they were not not allowed just to leave the facility.

They were staying at a certain facility just at

14 days, and after this, they were allowed to come out.

Okay.

So now let me switch to China.

China,

does this communist country have the same kind of philosophy of biological weapons that the Soviets had?

Logically,

at that time, we didn't know much about a Chinese biological weapons program, but there was some information coming

even at that time.

We had some information, we called it special information, coming from some intelligence agencies of the Soviet Union describing what was happening in China.

At that time,

China had a biological weapons program.

We didn't know much about the actual size and number of facilities, but it was obvious there were some efforts to design biological weapons.

So now that we are facing the coronavirus, do they have the same kind of standards that you had in the Soviet Union and that we have here on these bioweapons labs?

You know, a while ago, I had such a question coming from my readers.

And I was explaining

how these facilities should function.

I mean, what levels of protection in order not to let a virus coming out.

And to me it was a kind of

rule in which we knew for example if there is no this level of protection

nobody would do any work with contagious agents.

You know if we analyze and that's what actually I thought about this facility in Yuhan

in China.

But some information coming that the facility was not so strictly

I mean didn't have a strict requirement on biosafety.

Whether it's true or not, of course, it's still to be seen and investigated.

But if there was no rule, let me say, not to stay in quarantine for at least 14 days, a probability of the virus is coming from the lab actually exists.

That's what I think.

So

I don't believe that this was a biological weapon or intentionally released.

It looks like it might be just sloppy work followed by,

you know, like the Soviet Union with Chernobyl just doing everything they can to cover,

you know, for the state.

Would you say that that is a safe bet or not?

Yes, uh I would uh I would agree with w uh what you say.

You know, just uh for some while I was trying to collect all information about how it happened, when it happened.

And you know, just uh I collected some uh uh dates uh in uh December, uh some in November and December and January, and it was clear to me that there was a pattern when we saw some people infected, for example, from a group of three, then a bigger number.

And by the time

looks like it was the beginning of January, let me say we saw already it was a much bigger number of people infected than

Chinese actually reported.

But at that time they didn't report anything.

But at the same time, when we talk about whether it's an intentional attack or it's an accidental release or somebody was infected from some wild source, it's obvious it was not a biological attack because in case of a biological attack you would see a big number of people infected within a short period of time.

In this case we saw some very small numbers, but what Chinese reported, they said they didn't find

zero patient, patient zero.

Because a zero patient actually is usually a patient who was the first infected and started distributing, infecting others.

They found some people who were

the first, I would say, in the line to start the infection.

But the actual first patient, I mean, patient zero, was not reported.

Was it done intentionally or not?

And some people say

because we know when we do

epidemiological investigation, we can go and we actually can find, for example, if you find three people for example, infected, just investigation by collecting information, they can show for example where they were, what they did.

And finally we can say okay they contacted this particular person.

And if this person already dead or

survived, but at least we can say okay in our chain of investigation we found the one who was the first one.

But if it's not known and Chinese didn't want to release this information, There is a very high likelihood that this person was coming from a lab.

We're talking to Ken Elibek.

He is the author of Biohazard.

He ran the Soviet bioweapons laboratory, the biggest bioweapons program in the world.

And we just wanted to get touch base with him on what's happening with China.

Ken,

when you look at this coronavirus,

you're now in biodefense.

Are we doing the right things by staying in and closing the world down?

What is this virus?

I mean, we've never done this in the history of the world.

Are we doing the right thing or what should we be doing?

It's interesting, from the

in many cases,

sometimes it seems to me, maybe I'm wrong, but you know, just if I'm wrong, for example, just would be happy if somebody corrects me.

But you know, but

it looks like, sometimes we don't get our lessons.

And the first lesson we got, it was a Spanish law, 1918.

And if you analyze, for example, what was happening just 100 years ago with what we do now, and you can say exactly we haven't

developed any new measures for protection comparing to what we had 100 years ago.

Same situations with social distancing, masks, and

that's it.

Nothing new.

And you know, but it cannot be a situation.

Okay,

through the period of 100 years, yes, we found no solution.

It's really, I mean, just,

I would say, strange.

But then

we shouldn't forget, let me say, other epidemics.

It's a SARS epidemic, first coronavirus epidemic in China coming from China.

In fact, in many people, different locations, different countries.

It was not so big, but it was a first first sign, for example, okay, coronavirus is coming.

And I consulted

the government of Singapore 2003, 2004.

And yes, and we knew at that time that

that virus, let's call it SARS-1,

it had a very high mutation rate.

And you know what it means in this case?

It means the probability of somebody who was infected first would pass the virus to another person, but the virus will be already different because it's mit uh

it means, for example, in terms of uh vaccination uh or some other things, for example, we already deal with some other viruses.

Not necessarily absolutely different, but but some difference would be already obvious.

But in this case, uh if uh just I do remember all these uh discussions at the time at different levels.

And we discussed the necessity just to develop vaccines uh just to uh and it's interesting from this point, there is a very uh sophisticated uh agency in the United States with the name of DARPA.

Defense uh

uh uh def uh Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

It's a it's uh it's uh the agency of the Department of Defense which is focused on high risk, high payoff problems.

And and it had a program with the name of uh non-conventional or unconventional pathogen countermeasures.

It started sometime in two thousand, two thousand one, just exactly after this Trace attack in New York City.

And the issue was so sophisticated, so many new things have been designed and developed.

We call them non-specific defense against unknown threats.

And have no idea what happened in 2003, 2006, or 2007.

The program was closed down.

But it was the most promising program just to defend people because, you know, just when we talk about vaccination, you know, just everybody rely on vaccines.

But how can we, in the beginning of the 21st century, rely on defenses coming from the 19th century?

You know what's happening in this case?

Yes, vaccines are important, but vaccines are coming from a former threat.

You know what I mean?

You know, just because

we developed

and you can't keep up with it.

You got to get ahead of it.

Yeah, today is coronavirus.

Tomorrow could be new Ebola.

It could be something different.

In this case, you know, there is a kind of a saying: okay, generalists are fighting previous wars, not future wars.

In this case, what we do, in this case, we fight previous infections, previous epidemics.

Because next epidemic, if you take a look, SARS 1, 2002,

2004,

MERS, another coronavirus, 2012, and continued for several years.

They are different.

Now we're having a situation with SARS,

I would say, the third one.

But the problem is, if somebody analyzes the differences between these epidemics, they would see a dramatic difference because people were not scared.

And in this case, we thought, okay, this infection wouldn't cause any significant damage.

But it was changing.

And if we compare them, we'll see those epidemics were quite limited by size, number of deaths, and so on and so forth.

But we suspected, and we published articles.

We published articles in 2004, 2003, 2006 saying, okay guys, we need to be ready for a pandemic.

I do remember my article published in the Journal of Facial Virology and we specifically a group of four, we said, okay guys, we need to be ready for a new

pandemic.

It was said 14 years ago.

And you know, just and we see.

I will tell you, Ken,

that George Bush was the last president that really took this seriously, and he's the guy that put that DARPA program in.

And

it was in the trains of the administration that that thing, I think the DARPA was canceled, but all of his preparations

also went by the wayside.

He actually really believed in it

and others didn't think it was a priority.

And it's a shame that we didn't pursue that.

I've got to run for a network break, but Ken, it is great to talk to you.

Thank you for all of your work.

Thank you for your work in biodefense.

No thank you for all the stuff that you did in the Soviet Union, but

I mean, it brought you where you are today.

So thank you so much, Ken.

Appreciate it.

The name of his book is called Biohazard.

It is

bone-chilling.

It is

one of the best books I've ever read.

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Listen.

What is it about President Obama that really

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Better educated?

This is news.

This is news.

Made it on his own, didn't need daddy's help.

Made it on his own.

His wife is more accomplished.

Better looking.

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What is it about him?

That he's a black man that's accomplished, became president.

Listen to that.

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Just wondering.

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What a jerk.

That's news?

I don't know.

I don't know.

That was a personal message to the president.

And he's just trying to get him all riled up to get him to respond.

I got news for you guys.

The president's not watching Don Lemon.

Here's why.

He's irrelevant.

If he was watching Don Lemon, it would double the size of Don Lemon's audience.

And that's only assuming that the cameraman is actually watching what is on the other side of the lens.

Yeah, you can't assume that now, especially with phones.

He could be on Netflix.

He could be on Hulu, Quibi, might be a Quibi subscriber.

You just don't know.

Well, that is really good.

You know, first of all,

he didn't punk Donald Trump on the birth certificate thing.

That's just a ridiculous thing.

First of all, first of all, well, that's admitting that Donald Trump, that Barack Obama was involved in the birth certificate thing and wanted that to be that way.

They said absolutely not because we used to say, just release the damn thing.

No, why?

Why?

He's not punking people.

He's not.

Yes, he is.

Just release the damn thing he heard.

Yeah, and look, I think he loved that controversy.

It means an easy way to demean and dismiss every one of his opponents.

Right.

You just just see

right, and here is Don Lemon admitting that.

But when you're saying Melania Trump is more accomplished, I mean that Michelle Obama is more accomplished, really?

Is she

than a globally known supermodel?

I mean, I think they're both pretty accomplished.

Yeah, and

both have good careers.

Yeah, Michelle was a lawyer, right?

Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, yeah.

I mean, certainly one had certainly a lot more fame, but

Michelle Obama.

But they're they're both accomplished.

Yeah, they both have

both have good careers.

I'll get to the better looking here in a minute.

But

the other is, what, did he, that Barack ⁇ Are you upset that Barack Obama made it on his own?

No.

No, he didn't.

Remember, Barack Obama always said how he didn't make it on his own.

He always needed the government's help or somebody's help.

He never made anything on his own.

I think if you asked President Obama, he would tell you that he didn't build that.

That would be the way he probably faced it.

Faces it.

Yeah.

Well, maybe.

I don't know.

That sounds familiar.

It does.

Yeah.

And, you know, better educated.

They both had pretty good educations.

You know, Wharton School of Finance is a pretty good school.

We know that Barack Obama also had a high level of education.

I don't know what part of that is.

Like, it is

a bizarre thing.

I mean, didn't need daddy's help, I guess.

Like, maybe that's

a burn in some way to Don Lennon, I guess.

But, I mean, you know, Daddy wasn't really

around all that often for Barack.

Was you know, Donald Trump's dad did have, you know, gave him certainly a big head start in life.

I don't think there's anything, by the way, that's why you, that's why you try to make, it's why you try to make money as a dad.

You know, that's the people are like, oh, I can't believe you got this handout.

Why do you think dad works hard?

Dad doesn't work hard

solely so he can, you know, shower himself with gifts.

The reason why you work hard long beyond the point where the money that you have is going to be spent by you is to give your kids some sort of

cushion, right?

So if they screw up.

There's nothing wrong with that.

There's nothing wrong with that.

That's what you're saying wrong.

That's what I'm trying to do as a dad.

Like this idea that that's a horror.

Like which one's better?

Like would you rather have a dad that worked their ass off and built a giant company in New York City and handed down a bunch of money to their kids, or one that kind of disappeared and went back and was married to several other women at the same time in another in another continent.

I mean, which one would you rather have?

I've got a preference there.

Listen to that.

So

I know.

Yeah, listen to it because it's true.

And, you know, look.

Hatred there.

Hatred for what?

For dads that aren't around?

I mean, it's certainly

not my idea.

Dads that are different than yours.

That's what it is.

Dads that were just different than yours.

I will say that is

afraid of differences.

Both of them are different than mine.

My dad did not hand me down millions of dollars or move to Kenya and to live with his other wives.

Neither one of those was my dad.

Well, again, it's with the differences, but notice he's more fine with the white dad.

But that's a different, that's just a different story.

Do you think

do you think that Barack Obama is under Donald Trump's skin at this point?

Like, I don't even know.

I mean, he Trump clearly used Barack Obama as a rallying point for his supporters in the lead up to when he decided to run for president.

Right.

Like he clearly did that, and as anybody would, right?

Like, if,

guess what?

I bet you Joe Biden might mention Donald Trump a few times to rally his supporters.

That's what you do as a candidate.

But I don't think that Donald Trump has shown any level of obsession with Barack Obama.

You know, like before he was running, when he was doing the birth certificate thing, I mean, that was, you know,

look, we've said from the beginning

it was nonsense.

That's a campaign.

It was before the campaign, mostly, right?

It was about getting his name sort of in the political sphere, maybe.

I don't know what that was about, but still, like, I don't think there's any evidence, certainly since he's been president, that he's been obsessed with Barack Obama.

He certainly talks about Hillary a hell of a lot more than Barack Obama.

I mean, I don't know.

Barack Obama hasn't been much of a factor at all, other than the fact that there was a bunch of shady activity that happened right at the end of his administration, which is something that I would be concerned about if I were president.

All right, let me switch topics here real quick because we have to award

the winner here for what's new in Glenn's studio

today.

What are our guesses?

Somebody gets a signed copy of my new book, Arguing with Socialists.

Arguing with Socialists.

We have Glenn is wearing Woodrow Wilson's hairpiece.

Is that accurate, Glenn?

No, no, that's not.

No.

That would be new if you were doing that.

Glenn is wearing Elvis' Hawaiian shirt.

No, that's not accurate.

We should point out to the radio listeners that you are, in fact, wearing a Hawaiian shirt today.

And a hairpiece.

So there you go.

No.

A lot of people guessing that you got a haircut.

Is that accurate?

Did you get a haircut?

No.

Because that would be

to throw you in prison if you did that.

Yes.

So of course you're not going to get a haircut.

How about

the let's see?

The gun rifle behind Glenn, which is a good place to put.

Yes.

It's a good place to put something in the contest because people can't see behind you because you are there.

Yeah.

However, one person apparently did see behind you somehow and sees that rifle.

I had to make it a little more difficult.

So, yes, it is a rifle.

That is the rifle.

Have you ever heard of the musical Annie Get Your Gun?

That's the story of Annie.

Yes, Annie Oakley.

It's better than little orphan Annie.

Annie Oakley.

She was an amazing sharpshooter.

And she would go out

with Wild Bill and

travel the country and do Wild West shows.

I'm trying to remember who else was,

was it Sitting Bull that went out as well?

I think it was Sitting Bull that went out as well.

And

they would

recreate the famous cowboy and Indian battles out, you know, in the middle of town.

And you could go and watch them.

And they would do these Wild West shows, and they were fantastic.

Annie would come out because she was a sharpshooter, and she would take a coin.

And she would take her gun, and somebody would throw the coin up and she would shoot a hole in it.

This is a coin

that's about the size of about a half dollar.

Here's a U.S.

silver dollar.

So here's a half dollar.

So it's about the size of a 50-cent piece, a little smaller.

And

somebody would throw it up and she would shoot a hole right through the center of it.

That's an amazing shot.

An amazing shot.

That is one of the guns that she would use during her

Wild West shows.

I think she's a fascinating character in history.

Every day we give something out.

I put some historic item that's either from my collection or the collection of Mercury One

and tell you a little story about whatever that item is.

You can win a book if you're the first one to just use hashtag Glenn Studio and tell us what

the new item is.

We'll do it again on tomorrow's broadcast.

More in just a second.

Oh, yeah.

That was pretty cool of you.

Wild.

Yes.

Well, I'm wearing the Hawaiian shirt, talking about Wild West and saying, oh, yeah,

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I was really looking forward to having Matt Bevan on, but at the last minute, he had a family thing that he

couldn't stay for.

Hope to have him on maybe tomorrow.

Matt Bevan

is a real strong

constitutionalist, and I would love to hear

his thoughts on the balancing of liberty

and safety.

What do we do?

How would it be different?

What would he be doing if he were the governor?

He almost, he just barely lost the gubernatorial race and was replaced as governor by a new guy who is a Democrat and has not necessarily been high up on our list of freedom lovers, at least so far.

We have more on that, hopefully, on tomorrow's program.

Also, I want to remind you, if you didn't file for taxes last year,

you're not going to, the IRS is treating this as like you don't exist.

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let them know that you're out there.

You have to let them know that you have children under 17.

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All right.

Tomorrow, a great program.

A little on Tara Reed and Joe Biden.

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