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Stu, why did George Bush do that?

He clearly is against all Republicans.

Why would he do something like that?

It's such a weird moment in history, isn't it?

I mean, it really is.

I mean, the people you're for, then you're against, then you're for them, then you're against them.

I don't understand.

And I thought that was a really moving

statement from him and something that should be said.

And

why can't it be said?

Yeah, it only stands out because Bush has been so infrequently in the public eye.

So when he says something,

this is also kind of one of the biggest things in American history.

45.

Yes, that's true.

That's true.

I mean, I think Trump's point was like, so was the impeachment, and he didn't say anything about that.

No,

no.

Still, no, no, no.

That's not what's his fight.

I think we're on the verge of civil war.

Do you see what happened with the protests?

Yeah, know, I mean, I just think that there's, you know, I think that the American people are

the American people are there, though.

They want to be out.

They want to do their thing.

You know,

I think the media wants to make the protesters the center of the story.

It's the average Americans that want to do this thing.

They don't necessarily want to go protest about it, but they're going to go do their thing, whether you like it or not.

But that's what I mean.

The more draconian this gets, the longer this goes, the more people are going to say, you know, I've had enough.

We'll get into this and much more.

Come on.

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Have you seen the latest from Newsweek Magazine?

Newsweek Magazine says, yeah, this did come from a lab, and

Fauci was involved.

Now, it's an interesting story and probably a very important story, but it also has one other element to it and that is the media doesn't want it to be true and for the life of me I can't decide why.

We start there in one minute.

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So there was a Newsweek article that came out.

Dr.

Fauci

backed controversial Wuhan lab with millions of US dollars for risky coronavirus research.

Okay, so what does this story really mean?

Let me give it to you in case you haven't heard.

Last year, the NIH, or actually the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, led by

funded scientists at the Wuhan Institute of

Virology and other institutions for work on, listen to this phrase, gain of function research on bat coronaviruses.

I'll explain that here in a second.

In 2019, with the backing of

National Institute of Health Aid, the National Institute of Health committed $3.7 million over six years for research that included some gain-of-function work.

The program followed another 3.7 five-year project for collecting and studying bat coronaviruses, which ended in 2019, bringing the total to $7.4 million.

Our taxpayer dollars went to that laboratory in Wuhan.

Now, many scientists have

criticized gain-of-function research, which involves manipulating viruses in a lab to explore their potential for infecting humans.

The reason why scientists have been against this is because it creates a risk of starting a pandemic from an accidental release.

Fauci did not respond to Newsweek's request for comment.

All he said was most emerging human viruses come from wildlife and these represent a significant threat to public health and biosecurity in the U.S.

and globally as demonstrated by SARS epidemic and current COVID-19.

Scientific research indicates that there is no evidence that suggests the virus was created in a laboratory.

Yeah, that doesn't answer the question because nobody is really claiming that this was created in a laboratory.

What they're claiming is this was being researched in a laboratory and somebody got sloppy.

Exactly what other scientists warned about.

The NHA research consisted of two parts.

The first involved surveillance of bat coronaviruses and had a budget of 3.7.

Now,

the

surveillance of the bat coronavirus means they were watching it and they needed to collect samples.

We know that that's what the Chinese did.

At least they played that video.

Stu, when did that video play?

Was it in December or November?

We played it on one of our episodes.

And we'll have to find it later.

But we played it on one of our episodes where the, do we have it?

Just run it in the background because I think it's all in Chinese.

This was what was on the

TV network, the national network of China.

And here you see the scientists and

these bats live in caves that only places that scientists can go can reach them.

We can find the most ideal coronavirus.

Most bats living here are horseshoe bats.

Hmm.

If we keep our skin bare,

we can get into contact with the feces, which is highly risky here.

Okay, that's what they're saying.

Isn't that in Chinese?

Is it only just there that contact with feces is highly risky?

I feel like that's a statement you can kind of make really for any situation.

On bats in general.

Yeah, I think it's a good idea.

I think bats in general.

Dogs, really anything, you should try to not touch the feces of things.

General policy.

Yeah, I think so.

I think that's a pretty good rule of thumb.

Anyway, okay, so that's the first part.

And we know that they did that.

The second phase, this is the real problem,

included in additional surveillance work, but also gain of function research.

Now, what is gain of function?

Well, here's what the proposal from the NIH says.

We will use S-protein sequence data, infectious clone technology, in vitro and in vivo infection experiments and analysis of receptor binding to test the hypothesis that percentage divergence divergence thresholds in S protein sequences predict spillover potential.

Now, I'm a doctor and a scientist, so I of course know what that means.

But in case you don't,

Spillover potential is just referring to the ability of the virus to jump from animals to human.

And that requires that the virus be able to attach to the receptors in our cells as humans.

So this is what happened with SARS.

It is able to bind at our receptors in our cells, in our lungs, and other organs.

This is also what COVID-19 is doing.

It's a jump from the bat into humans.

Now, here's the problem.

The infectious disease expert at Rutgers University, his name is Richard Ebright.

He says

these are experiments that would enhance the ability of bat coronavirus to infect human cells and laboratory animals using techniques of genetic engineering.

In the wake of the pandemic, he says this is kind of noteworthy.

Along with two other...

two i'm sorry 200 other scientists they have been vocal against gain of function research because it

the creation of a pandemic through accidental release from a lab.

Now, here's the problem that I have: Stu, do you remember we talked to?

I think his name was Ken Alback.

This is 20 years ago, maybe.

I'm looking for him to see if he's still alive.

But he was one of the first defectors of the Soviet Union after the wall came down.

He couldn't wait to get out and go to the West.

He was a guy who accidentally became the head of the

bioweapons

program.

And what they did was communist countries go and they look for viruses that can't be cured.

Then they

experiment on them to see how they can make them in an aerosol or make it spread faster as a bioweapon.

The United States, however, does the exact opposite.

We do look for viruses, but we look for cures.

We don't develop any bioweapon, at least this is what we believe.

We don't develop any bioweapon unless we have a cure.

So we go and we'll look at Ebola, but we try to cure it.

Then we may say,

can we make this into a weapon as long as we have the cure?

Soviets and other Chinese communist countries, they go the opposite way.

They try to make it more virile and more deadly and then weaponize it.

They don't believe that anything with a cure is a good weapon.

So the other problem is the reason why this guy became the head of the bioresearch weapon program is because his boss died as they were trying to weaponize.

Ebola.

They're extraordinarily sloppy, and they have poor protocol in communist countries, unlike the United States, which leads the world in this kind of security.

Why would we give money to a weapons lab that we had already said is trouble?

Why would we give money for something on research to a Chinese government?

If the NIH wants to study this thing, then study it here.

Why would we give it to China, which has already proven itself to be unworthy of being able to handle this kind of stuff?

Now, here's the biggest problem:

the media is jumping through hoops.

Washington Post, was the new coronavirus accidentally released from a Wuhan lab?

It's doubtful.

Yahoo!

Trump administration pulls NIH grant for coronavirus research over ties to Wuhan lab at the heart of the conspiracy theories.

Vox, why these scientists still doubt the coronavirus leaked from the Chinese lab.

CNN, New York Times, top administration officials have pushed intelligence agencies to link coronavirus to Chinese labs.

Why are these organizations

so eager

to say

what Trump is now saying?

Friday, he pulled back from the lab.

What happened was they had a ban on this that Obama had put in.

It lapsed and Fauci just went through and did it secretly.

That's the story, at least at this point.

So

why does the press not want this to be true?

Is it possible that Jeff Bezos with The Washington Post has too many business deals with China?

Is it possible that NBC Universal, which is owned by Comcast,

has too many business deals.

They were going all in.

They've got a new theme park that is opening in Beijing, supposed to open this year.

Also, the Chinese Consul General made a visit to Comcast headquarters on February 2017 as the travel restrictions began to be imposed due to the coronavirus.

The same travel restrictions that China and the WHO are trying to shoot down.

When that was happening, that's when Comcast met with the Consul General at their headquarters.

After that meeting, China released a statement and they specifically talked about the theme park for Universal.

Is it possible that there is some sort of a deal that goes on there?

Is it possible that something else is happening

with Comcast and our media?

Is it possible the reason why Google and YouTube are censoring anything?

How can we possibly talk about this if YouTube and Google say that this is a conspiracy theory?

I mean, I don't know about you, but I don't know what I know about the coronavirus.

This is the weirdest news story.

The more I read, the more I know, the less I know.

I'm not sure of any fact anymore.

Are you,

Stu?

Are you sure of anything at this point?

It's a really limited

amount of things you can be entirely sure of.

Like, I would have probably said

pretty recently that I was pretty sure that the most common effect of coronavirus, this coronavirus, was fever.

The most common symptom was fever.

And then a report comes out.

It's like, actually, it's not 80% of people who are coming in that have fever.

It's 30%.

And it's like, wait a minute.

This is the most basic

drones.

They're affecting

the president, r walks from room to room and he gets his fever.

He gets his temperature checked.

Exactly.

I thought that was the first sign.

And again, like, I don't know, we may find out that that study is wrong and that it was right all along, but they shake your foundation on this constantly.

It's very difficult to understand what is going on.

And, you know, there's no new day.

There's a new study.

Like, I'm pretty sure right now, as I say this, I'm pretty sure that the idea that you're going to get this outdoors

in almost every circumstance is very unlikely.

Like, if you're in a place that has good

ventilation and you're outdoors, winds blowing, like, unless you're screaming into somebody's face or sneezing into somebody's face and they're breathing in heavily, like, the chances of it happening are very, very low.

It seems like that is.

Especially if you're...

If you're six feet away, for sure.

Yeah, yeah.

But exactly.

And it's a sunny day.

A hot, sunny day.

Exactly.

I mean, it's like all the research lines up behind that right now.

However, am I sure that next week they're going to come out with a story that the only place you can get it is outside?

I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

I would not even be surprised.

Right.

I mean, this is the craziest thing.

We have shut down the entire world.

We are now banning certain theories on this.

And that's all we have.

We don't have the truth on this.

We have no idea what the truth is of the coronavirus.

Science hasn't been settled on this.

So it is, it's so incredibly frustrating.

And I think that's what leads people to say,

conspiracy theories.

Or leads people to say, enough is enough.

Enough is enough.

You guys still don't have any idea.

And you're telling me I could die if I go to work, but I got news for you.

I'm going to die.

My business is going to die.

My children are going to be living in the poorhouse if you don't let me go back to work.

You guys don't know what the hell you're even talking about.

And I can't trust the media to tell me the truth.

I think that is happening in America.

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All right, let's pause for 10 seconds.

Okay, so the movie industry and the television industry is one of the most important regions for growth and revenue.

And I know this to be true because I'm considered very, very American.

And there's really not a market for something that just plays in America.

Oh, really?

All of the major news outlets now are owned

by companies that encompass movie studios.

CBS is part of a conglomerate called National Amusement, which owns Viacom and Paramount Pictures.

NBC and MSNBC part of Universal Comcast, which the new Universal Studios Beijing resort.

CNN is part of ATT, Time, Warner, which owns Warner Bros.

ABC is Disney.

So there you have the, and Washington Post is Amazon.

So there you have the biggest video producers.

There you have the entertainment industry, which we are now the secondary market.

China has become the first market.

So

just like Europe has always had to have American movies, we now have Chinese movies, and they are

America second.

They're concerned about the Chinese market.

Well, that's a problem for us because we're second to China now in the future, if you will,

everywhere.

We must not be dependent on China, especially for our news.

These news organizations, they say that we're unreliable.

Really, how can you rely on any media that has money and massive investments in China when you know you'll lose your entire investment if you piss off the Chinese Communist Party.

How do you piss them off?

You say things about them that they don't like.

We are at a crossroads here.

And the only one that I see who's on the winning side of this is Donald Trump.

Donald Trump, when he ran, he was against China.

He has been saying this kind of stuff since, I think since before he was born.

He actually went and did something about China, said that they were ripping us off.

He has been trying to make sure that America has

all of its resources here and we utilize our own resources.

I think the only winner here is Trump.

Is that the reason, coupled with everybody being owned by China one way or another, that we're not willing to discuss what could be the truth?

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It's Monday.

Pat Gray from Pratt Gray Unleashed is joining us now.

Pat,

is there something to not being able to trust these mainstream

news outlets, Amazon, China,

which owns the Washington Post, you have Comcast, NBC, which has theme parks from Universal in China,

you have CBS, Paramount Pictures, you have

ABC, Disney, all of them need China.

Do you believe that we can trust the things that that these news sources are saying when it comes to China?

Nope.

Not as far as you can throw any of them.

I mean, absolutely not.

Yes.

Absolutely not.

It's interesting, though, you bring up Disney.

Disney has gone from the top of the world and the king of the hill to a company that's really kind of in trouble right now.

When you think about all the Disney businesses,

they all count on, you know, a bunch of people coming to their places, cruise lines, completely shut down for now and maybe all time.

I mean, people are worried about the cruise industry.

So you've got no cruise line going on right now.

They've got no movies coming out.

So their movie industry, all eight studios, completely shut down.

Their stage shows, they had 29 concurrent stages running.

Hold on just a second.

So, you know, what's amazing is you have all of these movies, these studios coming out.

Think of how long it takes to make a movie.

It's not like when this is over, they can start popping them out.

I mean, everything is in shutdown.

Anything that was current

may have to be re-edited because of what's been going on.

I mean,

it's going to take a while to get this thing chugging again.

Years.

Like, probably years in some cases.

And it may not come back because of movie theaters.

Right.

That's right.

Um, they had 29 productions of stage shows on four continents, all of them are shut down.

The theme parks, of course, have gone from 157 million people coming to them every year to zero right now.

They don't have anybody, no, one, one.

They have one guy.

Oh, do they have a guy that did you hear about this this week?

Yeah, the guy who was trying to live in the Disney park, which is a place to go, really, honestly.

Yeah, he was actually living in the park.

Yeah,

okay, they got

157 million to one, so there is a bright spot there.

All right.

Every Disney store, all 312 of them, shut down completely, not operating at all.

Then you look at ESPN, who's a money cash cow for Disney.

No sports to broadcast whatsoever.

Now, they're still making the money from the cable fees.

So that's a bright spot.

Although the cable companies are trying to sue over that because they're not getting the sports programming they were promised.

I mean, for ESPN, it was so bad over the weekend.

They were showing guys skipping stones on a lake.

I like the one.

They were doing the slippery stairs world championships.

Slippery stairs.

Which is, I guess, like they put some sort of lubricant on padded stairs and people try to climb up them and knock each other down.

No way.

And they showed it.

It was

riveting.

I got to say,

I was totally riveted by another thing I watched.

We are desperate for competition completely.

You were saying that was riveting.

It was riveting.

And I will tell you another thing I watched for about five minutes just because I couldn't believe it.

There's a juggling competition mixed with dodgeball.

Have you seen?

Have you seen this?

That sounds awesome.

You got a juggler in the back of the room, and you got people throwing dodgeballs at him, trying to make him drop the juggling thing.

I love it.

I love it.

And there's a world championship for that.

I may start watching ESPN.

Yeah, you'd like this guy.

You would like it.

I gotta say.

Because they're calling it ESPN 8 the Ocho, which is from a movie.

I can't remember.

Is it Idiocracy?

Some movie made fun of ESPN and called, in the future, they would have a channel called ESPN 8 the Ocho.

It's Dodgeball.

Okay, I'm getting here.

I'm hearing it.

It's the movie Dodgeball.

It's fun.

And the joke was they had all these bizarre random sports on it.

So now they have no sports, so they're just running ESPN 8 the Ocho.

Yes.

Yeah.

Which is a good idea.

That's brilliant.

That is really brilliant.

It's really amazing.

But not going to bring back the business problems Pat is talking about.

No, No, no, no.

Thanks for the juggling Dodgeball thing.

Some of the park thing.

Look, ESPN was the king of the hill in the cable industry.

Yes.

They charged more.

It was only them and Fox News.

They charged more for your cable companies than anybody else.

I don't remember what it was.

I think it was $9.90 or $6.

No, I think it was $9 for ESPN.

Something like that.

That's crazy.

Yeah, that's crazy.

So $9

for every subscriber to every

cable company went to ESPN.

If ESPN

collapses, this is why the cable industry is trying to

sue them and say, you're not providing your service because they want out of those $9 contracts because the cable industry is collapsing.

So

this is a real example of how this whole thing comes undone.

And the longer we wait, all of it collapses.

And again,

it is a reason why propping up old industry doesn't ever work.

It's a natural thing to have creative destruction.

And what's happening right now is everybody's trying to prop up all of these things that haven't worked for a while because of new technology, because of disruptive services.

And what are they doing?

They're all running to the government and to high-tech to say, protect us, protect us, protect us.

This is what made America different.

We didn't protect those industries that were failing.

Look at what's happening with our financial system.

We've propped it up now twice.

We did it in 08.

We're doing it again.

And each time, those sick industries are getting worse.

You can't just do it.

You're prescribing fentanyl for a cancer patient.

Every time we bail these companies out, we're giving them fentanyl.

They're sick.

They're dying.

And instead of letting the treatment work, we just give them fentanyl and send them back to work.

It's insanity.

It's truly insanity.

I will say, though, in the case of ESPN, when they've got something as strong as dodgeball juggling,

you know, you can't, you can't, you can't end that particular.

You know what?

Find out when that's on because because I'm going to watch that with my family.

Maybe, maybe that would be the one thing that we can all agree on and actually watch.

All right, Pat, thank you so much.

You can find Pat Gray Unleashed wherever you get your podcast or he tapes it live right before this program every day on the Blaze Radio Network.

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Well, hello and welcome to the program.

Here's a couple of things that I want to share with you.

First, if I may, some might call this a conspiracy theory, but I think that there is enough facts on this to back it up.

But I believe this coronavirus

was hatched in a shadowy star chamber filled with the heads of some of today's most powerful people, organizations, and corporations.

And I'm going to name them.

I believe this whole thing has been a plot

executed by and to benefit

the people at Sherwin-Williams, Lawn and Garden Centers, Home Depot, Amazon, and Zoom.

I don't think we need to look at China or anybody else.

I believe, especially the Zoom people.

I mean, they came out of nowhere.

All of a sudden, what the hell, Zoom?

Everybody's using Zoom.

I think not, Zoom.

We're on to you, okay?

Sherwin-Williams.

We're all painting rooms or something.

Don't think we don't know what's going on.

And Home Depot, you

disgust me.

Now, this theory may have been hatched in a moment of frustration at Home Depot

because Home Depot is a place that I like to go to and spend money.

I don't know why, but you're in Home Depot and you're looking at things you don't really even need.

And you're like, oh,

that looks really good.

I mean, look at that tool.

I don't need that tool.

I don't have any tools.

But when I go to Home Depot, I feel like I need those tools.

I don't even know what those tools do.

So I'm at Home Depot because I wanted to, I needed to power wash my

barn before we painted at Sherwin-Williams.

So I go to Home Depot and I rent a power washer.

And I go,

stop me if this has happened to you recently.

I went to rent it.

I go, I get home.

It's 5 o'clock.

They close at 6.

I bring the power washer home.

I set it all up and it doesn't work.

And I'm like, oh, crap.

So then I have to wait until about 3 o'clock the next afternoon because I work

in the early part of the day.

And I go to Home Depot and I said, this doesn't work.

And they said, oh, well, here you need this.

Okay.

Well, I'm not paying for yesterday.

Oh,

I don't know.

Why didn't you come this morning?

Because I work.

So I get home.

It's about 4 o'clock in the afternoon.

And I do it, and it still

doesn't work.

That's when I look at my son-in-law, and he said, I got to take care of the kids.

And I said, I don't have time to run back to Home Depot.

Can you run?

Could you run tomorrow?

Sure.

So he can't run until again in the afternoon.

And it's a Friday.

And he goes in and he said, look, we just want to return this.

This thing hasn't worked.

Blah, blah, blah.

They said,

we can't give you a refund.

What do you mean?

It hasn't, it hasn't worked.

And I'm going, see that aisle right over there?

I've already picked it out.

See that box?

I'm buying a power washer that I know that can work.

So

why would we try to rip you off?

Well,

people do this all the time.

Do they?

Yeah.

Do they give you a power washer that doesn't work?

Well, no.

I can give you 50% off.

That's not good enough.

My son-in-law is fearless on this.

That's not good enough.

We want our money back.

It never worked.

They called the manager and the manager said, no, I'm not going to give you anything off.

Don't give him 50% off.

You get nothing.

Why didn't you return it right away?

Well, my son-in-law didn't have a good excuse.

I have one because I don't have time to run back and forth and then stand in front of your stupid line to get in to have a power washer done.

I'm not made of time.

Oh my gosh.

I couldn't believe it.

I couldn't believe it.

And I don't know if anybody else has had this problem, but you know,

Home Depot, you really shouldn't be such jerks about things like this, especially when you have everybody over a barrel.

Then

another reason why we didn't

get that stupid power washer back is because I had to call the fire department.

Now,

I smelled gas, and I know that that is the first sign of insanity, or is that smoke?

I think it's smoke, but gas might be a sign that you're insane too.

I smell gas.

Really?

I don't smell it.

Anybody else smell it?

Well, this time, everybody in the house smelled it.

I even went next door and said to my daughter, can you come over?

Can you smell this gas?

Yeah, that's definitely gas.

So we call the fire department.

The fire department comes, and I try to call them at the firehouse, okay, and and say, It's not an emergency.

Can just somebody come over in a car quietly or something?

Nope.

I have to call 911.

What's your emergency?

Okay, it's not an emergency.

But can you?

Sure enough, here come the fire department with the, you know, the ambulance and everything.

Woo-woo!

And they come right up to the house and they're like, what's the problem?

We're like, well, we smell gas.

They come in.

They got all these fancy things.

They don't see, they don't smell it.

We don't smell it.

It's gone.

we don't smell it now

and they you know they walked around like yeah you know this happens all the time and you know it could be gas i mean you just don't know but but these are sensors and they tried to make us feel good here's why i'm telling this story because i would like the fire department to adopt a new standard and i think it's reasonable if someone calls you and you come with all of the trucks, I think because you're being paid by the taxpayer base, you need to walk out of the house and say, it's a good thing you called us because that could have been a real problem.

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That was, whew, you caught that just in time.

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Who do you trust?

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How are you, Dave, from the Rubin Report?

Beck, it's good to be with you.

You know, I heard your intro and you were talking about how we don't know who to trust.

And I have to ask you a question first, which is, as one of the few people that I trust, what the hell am I doing in California?

Why am I here?

Why am I giving

all my money?

I can't even go to the beach anymore.

Why wouldn't you be here?

I have been telling you for years.

I have a very nice studio complex.

Used to be the Paramount Movie Lot in Texas.

Plenty of room.

What are you doing

in California?

It's insane.

You know, I jokingly, well, it's barely a joke.

I half jokingly tweeted the other day, you know, I'm frustrated with California and they've got helicopters monitoring the beach.

And why am I here if I can't go to the beach?

Which, by the way, everyone in SoCal especially, this weekend was 85, not a cloud in the sky.

It could not have been more of a perfect Southern California day, the exact type of day that is the only reason people live here and pay all the taxes and everything else.

And of course, we're all trapped in our houses.

So I tweeted out something like, you know, if I can't go to the beaches, well, then Texas and Florida and, you know, a couple other states are looking pretty good.

And I tagged Ted Cruz.

So So I'm hoping that maybe you fine people of Texas will

put together a package because you guys do have phenomenal studios.

I work with the Blaze already.

And now, totally kidding aside, I am considering it.

I am considering it.

How can I leave?

Well, you should.

That is,

there is no package to consider here.

It is the freest state in the Union.

Honestly, I don't get any special benefits at all.

There is no better state in the union to do it.

We have a great governor.

Our

Texas

Senate and House, they only meet every two years, so they don't pass any laws.

I mean, that's fantastic.

It's fantastic.

I mean, I'm not kidding you, man.

I'm considering it.

I'm considering it.

How can I live in the world?

Look, the governor of my state of California is Gavin Newsom.

He is the former mayor of San Francisco who wrecked San Francisco so badly with high taxes that then Peter Thiel, the tech billionaire Peter Thiel, left San Francisco to move to the free-thinking LA just to escape San Francisco.

And now L.A.

is crumbling.

And obviously we have a progressive mayor here too.

So it's not really fun to think about.

You know, you know, I have a great operation here and a beautiful home studio and everything.

and I do love it here.

But at some point, the rubber meets the road and the things that I believe in and fight for you know do get played out in my real life and we're considering it

i have to tell you something dave by the way dave rubin is the host of the rubin report uh highly highly successful on uh youtube uh he now has his own uh you know his his own uh business and he also has uh

Rubin Report on the Blaze.

If you don't know Dave, you should watch Dave.

And he's the author of a brand new book called Don't Burn This Book,

Thinking for Yourself in the Age of Reason, which we'll get to here in just a second.

Dave, did you watch the protests in California this weekend?

And what were your thoughts on them?

I did.

You know, I saw the clips on Twitter that everybody saw.

And look, first off, generally speaking, I'm enthused that

some lefties here in California might be waking up to some of this stuff.

So, you know, look, it's not as if there's no conservative or libertarian-leaning people in California at all.

I mean, you know, Ronald Reagan once was the governor here.

So there are some people here, especially if you move more towards Orange County, you know, it leans a little more right.

But I think actually for the first time, I mean, I'm seeing this.

When I walk my dog on the street now and people that know me come up to me, they're kind of hinting to me like, yeah, it's getting pretty crazy here.

You know, people that you could tell this is not really their political alliance, you know, thinking that they're anywhere on the right or something.

But what's happening is if you push people to the point that they cannot leave their houses for two months, And how does it make any sense at this point if I have quarantined for two months, that if I have a friend who lives a half mile away that he can't come over for dinner?

I mean, we're not allowed to have dinner together if we're both young and healthy and have done all of the proper precautions.

And, you know, the series of other things.

So it's like you can go to Target.

That's okay.

And by the way, don't burn this book as a bestseller at Target, but putting that aside, you're allowed to go to Target, but you can't.

you can't go to smaller bookstores.

Why are we telling smaller stores that they aren't allowed to institute some sort of program that would allow only a few people in?

So it's almost as if this is absolutely designed to crush every small store.

And I'll just say one other thing, which is that when I drive along the main boulevard here, and you know where I live, that the, you know, of course we're seeing all the small stores closed, but it's fairly obvious to me that 90% of them will never come back.

You know, these strip mall areas that had sort of older stores that were probably just hanging on, it's like they're not coming back.

So what are we going to do?

And you can only push people so far.

And even the lefties will eventually push back.

Your whole area, I do know where you live.

Your whole area is, you know, one big boulevard that has all of these specialty shops, their little mom and pop stores.

They can't come back.

I mean, I read a story in California this weekend where people are opening up and saying, you know what?

I couldn't get anything from the PPP.

I'm not able to survive.

I have to open because I'm going to go out of business anyway.

And my only chance is to hope that maybe somebody will come and frequent my store in defiance of everything because I'm going to go out anyway.

I'm going to be living on the street.

So, I mean, what do people do?

What do people do?

Yeah, so.

Look, first off, the more perverse part of this is that it's not as if they're really telling us what the plan is.

So it's like they tell us, okay, finally, we've been doing this for almost two months.

Now just over the last couple days, they closed the beaches.

Now that would imply that the numbers have started to rise again or that they saw something happening at the beaches that was that was causing a spread.

But there's no evidence of any of that.

Nobody has issued a statement.

And our deputy mayor, you may have seen the video on Twitter.

He took the helicopter ride and tweeted out a video of empty beaches.

And the way he tweeted it,

it was as if he was proud of our empty beaches.

And it's like, dude, you guys are ruining our state.

Now, that, of course, Glenn, and I know you know this.

That is not to say that everyone should just pile onto the beaches with no masks and be on top of each other and the rest of it.

But give us some reason.

Give us some way so that you can go out there on a blanket, stay a couple feet away from people, and just let us try to live instead of controlling it.

So

here's the problem, Dave.

No one gave us the tripwire.

I've been asking since January, what's the tripwire that's going to close these things down?

What are the factors that you're looking at?

It seemed, you're right, it seemed totally arbitrary in

a situation where we didn't know anything about this virus.

Now as more and more factors come in and we're pushing to open it, they won't really give us the tripwires that are solid like the beaches.

Wait a minute, wait a minute.

We know that this, or we supposedly know, that this is killed by sunlight.

The odds of getting it outside,

the odds of getting it while you're surfing by yourself, impossible.

Impossible.

What the hell are you basing any of this stuff up on except a power trip?

We are not being told

so we can participate in it.

This is not a representative government anymore.

Well, I think what you're seeing is that the people that like state power are basically frothing at the mouth at the moment.

So you're right when you say that you have a great governor in Greg Abbott in Texas.

He wants the economy to move forward.

Now, it does, he's not saying, let's just open up and have a free-for-all.

They're going to have to test some things and see how many people can be at restaurants.

And then maybe if there's a little bump, they'll have to adjust.

That's how a mature person deals with the problem.

But how an immature, how an immature person deals with the problem is just sees a problem.

And then what would a child do?

A child would grab everything or flip the board over if it was a board game or something like that.

So they're not telling us anything.

They're just saying, we control you.

And unfortunately, I think too many people in California and probably in several of the other blue states have just been conditioned to think that just because someone has power, that that power is righteous.

But I don't think I have no reason to believe, especially if they won't tell me why they're doing it.

Why should I believe that Gavin Newsom knows what he's doing?

What evidence does he have that I am not privy to?

And why wouldn't you give me that evidence?

So we got to start questioning them, right?

If there was ever a time, Glenn, to fight for anything we believe in in America, certainly in my lifetime, I think in your lifetime as well, it's like, this is it.

Yeah, this is the biggest event in our lifetime.

And

I think our country is truly hanging by the thread because you are losing

the entry-level businesses.

You're losing

the entrepreneurs.

You're losing the ability to get back up off of your feet.

And it's all being caused not by some natural disaster, but because people are telling you what to do.

So this isn't my fault that we're going out of business.

This is the government's fault that I'm going out of business.

This is China's fault that we're going through any of this.

And by the way, you know, a little risk is part of life.

That's actually part of the human experience.

And again, that's not to say you just do everything willy-nilly and get out there and cough on people and, you know, run into old age homes and all that.

But a little risk is exactly what made America great.

And they're acting.

So in many ways, this whole thing is counter to the American experience.

You are such a dangerous individual for even saying that, Dave.

I mean,

we are violating all of the Bill of Rights, the things that are enshrined in our Constitution as governments shall not do these things.

They're doing all of those things in the name of a right that doesn't exist.

I don't have a right to be safe from infections.

You cannot guarantee that right.

I am born without that natural right.

I mean, again, it's not that you do stupid things, but the government cannot guarantee this.

They're saying we're going to keep everybody safe.

You can't.

And it's not a right.

You cannot violate the things that are in the Bill of Rights, that are explicitly laid out to to

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Dave,

it's a really great book, really great book.

I read it this weekend.

Easy to read.

It's not surprising that you are getting pushback from the left.

I'm sure you saw one of the reviews that came out that just tore you apart.

And I think you should respond to some of that when we get into this because it's amazing

what they're claiming that you're doing.

And they don't see that that's what they do all the time.

Yeah,

I would like to go here.

One of the chapters is

how to spot fake news.

And the reason why I bring this up is because Google, as you know, is censoring people.

They are now looking for authoritative sources, authoritative voices, and the authoritative truth, which should terrify people.

You're not an authoritative voice.

I'm not one, but we have pretty good records on speaking the truth.

A,

how do we find fake news and spot it?

And B, what do we do about this ban on the exploration of truth?

Yeah, so let's do A first.

In the book, I talk about four types of fake news.

And, you know, most people, when they hear fake news, they think usually the easiest version of it is just a made-up story.

And we get a lot of those.

So that's one version.

We don't have to get into that because that's the easiest one.

The next one to spot is when the headline and the story themselves have almost nothing to do with each other or directly contradict each other.

That is one of the biggest ones.

That one is the type that we see on CNN.com all day long.

The one that I think is worth expanding on, because I think this is the most nefarious one, is fake news by omission.

So when something doesn't fit the narrative of the New York Times or CNN or Washington Post, they will ignore it, ignore it, ignore it, ignore it, while everyone online, everyone in the YouTube world, everyone in the radio world, everyone in Twitter land will all be talking about a story, literally for months.

So this would be be like the Epstein story was talked about for months or the new Joe Biden sexual.

Yeah, the Biden one.

I mean, so let's, let's do the Biden one because this is, this is a current example.

So for the last two months, I mean, everyone on Twitter and everywhere else has been talking about this Tara Reed thing.

Now, that in and of itself, of course, does not make it true.

So let's set aside and just leave allegations as allegations, which, by the way, allegations against Brett Kavanaugh were just allegations.

But the difference, of course, is that Brett Kavanaugh is on the right.

He's a conservative.

So the media went crazy with it for months.

Literally thousands of front page articles in every newspaper and every magazine, everywhere in the midst of Kavanaugh.

You'll find this interesting.

I was on tour with Jordan Peterson in Europe and I had people on the streets in Europe literally stopping us.

to ask us what we thought about Brett Kavanaugh.

Now, really think about that for a moment.

It had blown up to the point of an international story where people in European streets were asking us about sexual assault allegations about a potential Supreme Court nominee.

I mean, that was the level of which the media treated that.

Now, for two months, the media basically ignored the Tara Reed story because it didn't fit their narrative because Biden's a quote-unquote good guy, a Democrat.

And that is a type of fake news.

When the New York Times finally ran their first story on it, I believe it was on page 23 or 24, and within the article itself, instead of focusing on the allegations about Biden, it had several paragraphs about allegations against Trump, which we can go into those allegations as well, but that's a separate story.

So the narrative-driven fake news, I'm much more concerned about, because you've seen this a million times through the hit pieces that many of us have lived through and everything else, is that they ignore things and then they divert attention.

So fake news, we have to stop thinking it's just made-up stuff.

Yeah.

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In case you don't know, Dave was an Uber lefty.

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I used to hate the guy.

I mean, I didn't know him, but I would watch him and I'd be like, this guy's insane.

And I'm sure, Dave, you did the same thing with me.

Well, I don't know that I hated you, but I definitely thought you were insane.

And yet here we are.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I didn't think you were.

I didn't hate you either, but I thought you were a nuts.

And as it turns out, you were nuts.

You got into a situation where you were...

Yeah, where you were like, wait a minute, our argument isn't making sense anymore.

And so you did the honest work, which is so hard.

You left behind all your friends.

Not all your friends, but a lot of your friends.

You left the world where you knew you could make money, where you knew you fit in,

and you went exploring for the truth, not knowing if this is going to take you any place that's not going to have you living under a bridge, right?

Yeah.

Listen, I love that when people always say to me, you know, the trolls, and I have a very, very dedicated group of coordinated trolls who actually at the moment are completely assaulting my Amazon reviews and everything else.

And it's like,

it's like now you're really spending too much time at home.

But,

you know, when you leave the left, one of the things that you'll get hit with first is that you're a right-wing grifter.

I'm sure you've heard this one, Brian.

This is what they throw out.

You're a grifter.

And what I find hilarious about this is, and I'm very open about this, in my journey, I have literally quit many jobs, several jobs where I had full-time, you know, salary, health insurance, and my team.

I mean, I would bring my team with me.

I would get several people to quit at once.

We did this several times to have no guaranteed salary, to have no guaranteed health insurance, to apparently be part of the right-wing grift, which is, I mean, really on its head, think how absurd this is.

I live in Los Angeles.

If you ever wanted to be hated, what would you do?

You'd say, I'm a conservative.

I'm a libertarian.

You basically say, I'm anything other than a progressive.

So yeah, you know, it's said, and I do talk about this in the book, when you have people that are your friends, I mean, I talk about one person in particular who was literally invited to my wedding that suddenly out of nowhere, after never having a negative word said between us, is calling me a racist and a bigot and the rest of it.

And I say, well, please point to evidence of this.

And they can't.

And then they continue to double down.

And really what that taught me was all of the things that I started seeing a few years ago that were wrong with the left, the rush to judge everybody, to be overly emotional instead of factual, to demean and destroy everybody, cancel everybody and the rest of it.

What I realized was, wow, part of the reason that people don't leave the left is because once you've behaved that way yourself, you know they'll do it to you.

So in a way, it's a self-hostage situation for many of them.

Because once you have called everyone on the right racist, and then you start waking up, you go, uh-oh, uh-oh, now I know what they're going to do to me because I kept doing it to other people too.

So the mechanism, the mechanism of it is really interesting because it's very easy to catch like a virus.

A virus is very easy to catch.

And what is a virus also?

It's very hard to get rid of.

And that's what I would say progressivism is.

It's easy to catch in that the ideas all sort of sound right.

Give money to everybody.

Everything's free.

We love everybody.

Diversity.

That all sounds right.

And then it's very hard to get rid of because you know you will be destroyed in the process.

That's why I wrote this book because I survived, I thrived, and I want other people to be able to get out too.

So do you think that there's a lot of people on the left that see this now as nonsense, as unworkable, but they're afraid to leave?

Yes.

I think that what I would say is either the disgruntled liberal or the old school liberal.

You know, when you think of, we've discussed this many times, but, you know, old school liberalism and classical liberalism in the vein of, let's say, JFK asked not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country, Daniel Patrick Moynihan in New York, Ed Koch.

There were old school liberals that conservatives would have disagreements with, but they were healthy disagreements.

And the liberal side, in that case, wasn't demanding government for everything.

They would actually talk about freedom and liberty.

And if you know, in the last six months when we had these ridiculous democratic debates, I can only think of one time.

that the word constitution was mentioned, and it was when Kamala Harris said that she would issue a executive order to fight, you know, on gun control.

And Joe Biden, who is old school, I think he's very confused as to what he is now.

And that's a whole other thing.

But he actually said to her, well, you know, Kamala, it has to be constitutional.

And you know what happened?

She literally laughed in his face.

She laughed in his face.

Anyone can find the clip online.

And she turned to him and she said, Joe, can't we just say yes?

Meaning, it's not what's constitutional that matters.

It's whatever we feel that matters.

And I think what happened here, to directly answer your question, is that progressives who are power-hungry, who love the state, they believe they know what's right for everyone, they saw the weak underbelly of liberalism.

And I think liberalism, this is very sad for me to say.

Liberalism does have a weak underbelly that conservatism doesn't.

Conservatism, I think partly because of the religious attachment, but more fundamentally because of the true admiration to the Constitution, has a stronger foundation.

Where liberalism, I think the idea of being open-minded, that lets in a lot of bad stuff.

And

I don't think it had the mechanism to fight it, which is why that even my liberal friends, some of whom you've credited in some of your other books,

they've become sort of irrelevant now because

they don't know what to make of the world anymore.

That's a very sad admission for me to make, actually.

But I think this is where we are.

They saw the weakness and they went for it.

it.

So

do they not think that

there's anyone out there that

they can group with?

Because I know some of the people that you're talking about and they got it.

They got it.

They're there, but they just don't want to connect at all.

They don't want to take a stand and say, nope, this is wrong and I think this is right.

Meaning, not all the people involved are in it are right.

I mean, we have our own problems on the right,

but they don't seem to want to connect.

Why?

Glenn,

I always will be as honest with you as I can be, but this is one that I am thinking about at literally the deepest level that I can possibly do it because I'm watching my own people who have been my allies the last remaining liberals.

I'm watching them now sort of turn on me because I'm too friendly with you.

I'm too friendly with Prager.

I'm too friendly with Shapiro and the rest.

And no matter how much, it's sort of like Stockholm syndrome.

No matter how many times you offer a hand to these people and say, I disagree with everything you say, but come on my show, let's talk about it.

Or Tucker Carlson offers a hand to these guys, or Shapiro or Prager or anyone else, they will sort of spit in that because what they think is, I don't know that they think liberalism can be fixed.

I think they have just sort of a PTSD of some sort of that all conservative, it's so embedded, it's so embedded in the leftist brain that conservatives are somehow bad.

And for some reason that, and I do write about this a little bit in the book, that for some reason that never really got embedded into my brain.

I never thought conservatives were bad.

You know, one of the things I talk about in the book is how my family, we used to have incredible political debates at every holiday.

Every holiday, we would debate everything.

And when I was young even, like 11 years old, I would be trying to get to the adult table because that was what I thought was interesting.

I didn't even know what they were talking about exactly, but everyone was passionate.

And I kid you not, every time dessert was served, everyone stopped.

There was no grudges held, there was no anger.

It's not to say we didn't have family stuff that everyone has, but we could debate politics

in a healthy way.

And I think something weird is happening now.

So the last liberals, and we don't have to name them specifically, but you and I know who we're talking about.

And I think most of your audience probably does too.

I think they are so afraid of being considered the backwards religious conservative, something like that, that it has almost completely decimated the ideology.

It's really depressing, actually.

That being said, the reason I'm not depressed is because what I have found by not having that PTSD is that the right is filled with free-thinking people and agree-to-disagree people.

and people who actually know what they think.

And I'll tell you what I think, they're actually happier.

The conservatives that I know are a million times happier.

They have just found a way to pilfer some happiness out of the universe as opposed to the lefties who are endlessly obsessed with government, which is about controlling people, and there's no happiness at the end of that road.

That's why I think we are in such trouble, because everything now is about government and politics.

And that's not the way life is supposed to be, at least in America.

Gosh, I have so much to talk to you about, but

let me just ask you this.

One of the last hurdles for me on Donald Trump, and I don't like everything that he does, and I, you know, personally, he says some things, yada, yada, yada.

But one of the last hurdles that I had with Donald Trump was

if we had a real depression, I think I predicted this in 16, that by the end of his term, we would be in an economic depression, and this guy would outdo FDR.

He has restrained himself in every possible way with everyone strangely on the left saying, you got to take this power, you got to take this power, you you got to break this power.

It's bizarre.

Does that help libertarians at all look at Donald Trump and go, man,

he's actually doing

in many ways what the Constitution is telling him.

He's actually not expanding the state as he could be at this point.

Yeah.

Do you agree with that or not?

Yeah, I do agree with the premise, but what you said there is really interesting, and it shows why you can't just be for power, which is what the left is for, because you're right.

They're calling the guy Hitler on one hand.

And then what are they also saying?

Take more power.

Take more money.

Take more power.

Control our lives in a bigger way.

That's why being for power in and of itself, being for progress in and of itself is not good.

You have to wait.

Well, what does that power do?

What does that progress mean?

Of course.

As to your question specifically, you know, one of the things that sort of made me more okay with Trump, despite some of my reservations about maybe his personality and temperament and some of that stuff, is that who is one of his biggest allies in the Senate?

It's Rand Paul.

And Rand Paul is the closest thing we have to a true libertarian, probably in all of government.

And Rand is there and has helped him cut back some regulation.

I think he's probably in his ear a little bit related to states' rights right now.

And Trump is actually doing the right thing right now.

He's trying to say to the states, guys, I'm not supposed to be in charge.

of this whole operation.

And if I was, that would be deeply dangerous, not only because of what half of you think of me, but because there are different prescriptions that need to be dealt with

different state.

So I do think there is a libertarian argument for Trump.

Is there a little bit of a fear there, too, that personality-wise, he's a guy that likes power and that that could potentially go out of control?

I think

it's a problem, but does it exist?

Right.

Yeah.

All right.

Just a real quick question.

Joe Biden, let me give you a couple on on that because I got a break for network real quick.

Does

Joe Biden or Donald Trump win in November?

Oh, well, that's going on the assumption that Biden's the nominee, but I think that thing could crumble at any moment.

And you do have to know that you're really voting for the VP.

And I think regardless, I mean, I think more people are waking up that Trump's doing a pretty decent job.

And yeah, he's orange.

His hair is crazy.

But here we are.

All right.

Does Joe Biden actually hold on?

And is he the guy who actually runs?

I think it's 50-50 at best.

And if anything, maybe it's even less than that at this point.

I think he's if it's not him, who

is?

You know what?

It's like they could, the DNC is so corrupt, and they have made such a mockery of the election.

And the way that they're all, the way that they're all pushing Biden now.

And you know what's funny?

It's like he's obviously having some cognitive stuff, and that is not funny.

But what's funny is when it cracks, when the story cracks, that somebody finally admits that they knew it, they're all going to be turning on each other and going, no, I was the one that wanted to say it and you wouldn't let me.

So, who do I think is going to be his one?

He said it's going to be a woman.

You know,

conventional wisdom is Stacey Abrams.

I don't think it'll be her.

They'll find some somewhat random person.

And don't think that Hillary is completely out of the picture.

I know it's bananas, but we live in strange times.

Boy, stranger things have happened.

Thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

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You know, it's truly amazing what's happening in New York.

The New York City Council, now the speaker says Franklin Graham's medical charity has no place in pandemic-stricken Big Apple.

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I really am anxious to hear how he's going to respond.

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We have Franklin Graham, who is a full disclosure, a partner of Mercury One.

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So, on April 21st of this year, Reverend Graham and Samaritans Purse, his organization, was working to aid the residents of New York City, which had the brunt of COVID-19.

So, they set up a 14-tent emergency field hospital in Central Park.

It had a full staff of doctors, nurses, and other medical professionals.

It was being overseen by Mount Sinai Hospital, and things were going well,

unless you were hanging out around the tent.

You were called all kinds of names.

Now, the New York City council speaker, Corey Johnson, said, my statement on Samaritan's purse.

It is time for Samaritan's purse to leave New York City.

This group led by the notoriously bigoted, hate-spewing Franklin Graham, came at a time when our city couldn't, in good conscience, turn away from any offer of help.

That time has passed.

Now, when they set it up, there was controversy, and Bill de Blasio said, we're going to keep a close eye on those Christians in the park.

But they had a 60-bed respiratory care unit, and it was handling any overflow from Mount Sinai, which I don't know if Corey knows the origins of Mount Sinai's name, but.

And they're saying that Franklin Graham has to get out because he is frequently attacking the homosexual agenda and the transgender lie.

And Samaritans purse people.

Sign a written pledge.

Well, they also signed a written pledge to Mount Sinai Hospital to treat all patients equally.

So they did that.

But now, Corey, the speaker of the city council, said, their continued presence here is an affront to our values of inclusion.

What about your inclusion?

And is painful for all New Yorkers who care deeply about the LGBTQ community.

Mount Sinai must sever its relationship with Samaritan's Purse.

Its leader calls the LGBTQ community detestable and immoral.

He says being gay is an affront to God and refers to gay Christians as the enemy.

Samaritan's Purse requires volunteers to agree to a written affirmation that marriage is exclusively the union of one genetic male and one genetic female.

Hate has no place in our beautiful city.

Franklin Graham, I would say, say the most hated man in New York, at least with Speaker Corey.

Welcome to the program.

How are you, Franklin?

I'm doing good.

Thank you for having me.

So you are, you run Samaritan's Purse, which is a partner of ours.

We have helped fund you.

You have done things with Mercury One and sent tons of food places all over the world.

You go places that nobody wants to go,

including you were instrumental instrumental in the last Ebola outbreak.

You were the only group that would really go in.

This is what Samaritan's Purse does.

First,

have you ever experienced this kind of pushback anywhere in the world?

Well, the pushback really is coming just from some gay activists.

But we have a great relationship with Mount Sinai,

and

they're wonderful people.

The people of New York have brought us food.

We have pizza trucks that show up and crank out 40 pizzas and don't charge, just give them to us.

Businesses that have provided 100 meals a night.

I'm talking about gourmet kind of Italian

food.

People have come by just to say thank you.

We have only had

just a couple of gay activists that have been vocal and that the media picks up and

gives them a megaphone.

But we have had nothing but good relationships with Mount Sinai.

And we're not being kicked out.

We knew that we would be leaving as the numbers came down.

Our field hospital right now just has two patients.

We believe by this weekend they will be gone and so

we will we will not accept any more patients into the field hospital.

We are managing two floors or Mount Sinai at their Beth Israel hospital and right now we have 30, I believe it's 34

patients on those two floors that we're caring for Mount Sinai Group.

And we still have 116 staff members working in New York and we will keep them there until we are through at Beth Israel.

So we're still going to have a presence in the system for at least another couple of weeks, but the numbers are coming down, and they're coming down all across the country.

So, Franklin, most people wouldn't know that you have the kind of expertise that your group has, that

you're managing a couple of floors of a hospital.

Can you explain to the American people and

maybe to the New York City Council what makes you unique on this particular kind of epidemic?

Well, I think our experience of fighting Ebola in Africa, there's only two organizations in the world that do this, and it's Medicine Saint-Frontier, or the other name that they use is Doctors Without Borders.

But this group out of Belgium and Samaritans Purse are really the only two that focus on Ebola.

And we've got tremendous experience with infectious disease.

We have, we always keep two

field hospitals in stock.

We had deployed one week earlier to Italy, to Cremona outside of Milan.

And then a week later,

the FEMA heard that we had a second hospital.

They said, would we be willing to deploy it to New York?

And within just a few hours, Mount Sinai called and said, would you be willing to bring a hospital

to Mount Sinai?

And of course, they

work around.

They made the contact.

They made the contact, not you.

That's correct.

They made the contact.

And they've been wonderful people to work with.

And with the criticism from the congressional leadership of New York, and a few of these gay activists that are on the city council and so forth,

Mount Mount Sinai did not waver on their support for us one bit.

They've just been a great group, a great partner.

And our doctors and nurses come from all over the United States.

These are infectious disease experts.

They're their trauma.

They would work in emergency rooms across the United States, the doctors and nurses.

And so but we're all Christians, and we all believe that Jesus Christ is God's Son,

and we we worship and serve him.

And so we're all of like mind, and we're committed to caring for people in Jesus' name, and we want the whole world to know that God loves them and cares for them.

There are so many people that are afraid, and these patients that come into the field hospital, they're scared, they think they're going to die, and they don't think they don't have hope.

And

a lot of what we do

is not just to treat them medically, but to encourage them, to pray for them if they want to have prayer,

to love them, hold their hand,

and just be with them.

And I think it has meant a lot to the people that God has brought into

the doors of that tent.

And we're just thrilled that we've had this opportunity to serve the people of New York.

All of this has been done with private donations.

Not one dime has come from city government, federal or state.

All of this is private funded, and we have been in New York Central Park at no cost to the people of New York.

Any idea?

Do you care to share what that kind of thing costs?

Our cost, I don't have the total cost, but we estimate it's about $1.4 to

$1.8 million per month.

And then the cost of the hospital is about the same.

But we're not leaving the hospital.

We'll clean it, pack it up, and bring it back and deploy it again

if there's another need somewhere else.

Wow.

Have you, because I started the segment with the definition of love.

We seem to live in a time where people don't understand that you can

love people even if you don't agree with them.

Have you ever, ever, in the history of Samaritan's purse, ever rejected someone or treated them differently in the hospital because they don't agree with you?

Of course not.

Because the one that we serve, Jesus Christ, he didn't come to condemn the world.

He came to save the world.

And

we want to show his love and compassion.

The same as if he were right there standing beside us.

We want to show that same love and compassion that he would.

And so, of course, we welcome everyone.

It has nothing to do with what they believe or what sins they have committed or the color of their skin.

We treat everybody the same.

And that's very important to us.

In our 50 years of history, this is our 50th year as an organization.

We have always treated everybody the same.

We treat everyone fairly.

We never discriminate.

We would never do that.

Franklin, I appreciate your time and thank you for clearing this up and going on the record.

As you know, I was ⁇ I don't know if I would consider or if your father would have considered me a friend, but

I considered him a friend and I think of him often.

He was a truly powerful,

powerful spokesperson and force for good and for Christ.

And you with Samaritan Purse are continuing on to do remarkable, remarkable things, and we're proud to be partners with you on projects.

Thank you so much, Franklin, and all my best to everybody at Samaritan's Purse.

Well, thank you, and God bless.

God bless.

Franklin Graham.

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So we're going to talk to Mary Sabatino here in just a second.

And she's a a Kentucky mother that moved from New York.

You don't get Sabatino usually in Kentucky.

But she moved from New York.

And now

she's being investigated by the,

you know, Kentucky Child and Family Services because she has a family of seven and they weren't practicing social distancing.

And now Kentucky Child Services is investigating the parents for abuse.

Strangely, Kentucky is one of those states that has just gone off the rails.

Did you see, by the way, in Michigan, a sky writer flew around the governor's mansion and just wrote F

U, just two letters, F U, with a

giant arrow pointing right to the governor's mansion.

Oh,

man.

It's a lot of time on your hands, but that was pretty impressive, I got to say.

I ain't got nothing but time in Michigan,

I guess.

I guess.

It's interesting that you bring up the Kentucky thing real quick, Lenno to go back to that.

I mean, you know, we've had Matt Bevin on the show many times.

He was the governor of Kentucky and lost a very close election in 2008, 19, right?

Yeah, it was just last year.

Just last year.

So, you know, it's funny to look at this because

if you want to see a real divergence on how these things would have been handled, I mean, I would have guessed that Bevin would have been probably the most aggressive governor in America in opening up the economy.

And a lot of people have criticized him over things that's kind of related to that.

Yeah, to see what he's, what he would, because I mean, Bashir has been the exact opposite.

I mean, he's been almost Michigan level in a state that is red, maybe a little purplish.

But it's a bizarre change.

I mean, that vote changed a lot for the state of Kentucky.

And depending on how you look at it, for the good or for the bad.

But, you know, Bevin almost won that election, and he would have been on the total opposite side of this.

Uh, so that

I would love to get him on and see what he would he was saying about this.

Yeah, see what he has to say.

It's kind of like, you remember the uh, uh, do you remember the billboards with George Bush where it was like, miss me yet?

Yeah,

it's kind of, yeah, I think Bevin could probably run that now.

Hey, miss me, yeah, it kind of sucks to be you now, doesn't it?

Uh, also, Joe Biden, uh,

he had two more accusers come out.

Now, one was 14 and happened to be at this dinner.

And the press did their homework on this one.

Of course they did.

They always do.

They said Joe Biden's, they always do.

Yeah, they said Joe Biden was not at this dinner that year.

No, but he was at the dinner the year before and the year after.

And the woman making the accusation was 14 at the time.

And she said, I'm not sure what year it was.

I think it was 2000, I think, 8, might have been 2006 or 2007.

but she was 14, 14, and he was hitting on her and making her uncomfortable.

Well, the press says that.

Go ahead.

No, I was going to say, you know, that was his quote when he was asked about the Kavanaugh thing.

He said, we have to come forward with the presumption that what they're saying is true, even if they forget some of the facts, was the actual quote from Biden back in the Kavanaugh days.

So even forgetting facts does not, it doesn't demean your accusation at all, even if you don't know where it happened or when it happened or any of that stuff that we knew was an issue with the Kavanaugh accusers.

Here is a story where now they're going to lean on that, right?

All the things that they told us did not exist back, that you shouldn't do back then, they're just doing now and acting like we're not going to notice.

It's amazing.

So didn't the New York Times come out this weekend with an editorial saying,

an independent counsel to look at this?

This is ridiculous.

They wanted an FBI investigation of the Kavanaugh stuff.

FBI investigation for a guy, for a guy that wanted to be on the Supreme Court, an important role, but it's not the president of the United States.

Yeah, and also not something that we have a role in deciding, right?

Like where the president of the United States is something we're voting on, right?

Like basically directly.

I know

the Electoral College, but basically we're voting on that directly, where the Supreme Court is something that's being appointed, right?

Like

this is not something that we even need, in theory, all of the information on their background.

This is something the senators might need all their information on, but we're voting on the President of the United States.

So, the media really owes us an explanation

in more clear terms than even they do for the Supreme Court.

It's more important to the average person because they're making a vote potentially based on this information.

And yet, they are just going the exact opposite way.

And you see this over and over and over again.

Some of them are absolutely absurd.

And let me give you this one.

This one's fantastic.

See if I can find it here real quick.

Here we go.

So this is

Maria Cardona.

Now, Maria Cardona, this is pointed out by Drew Holden here.

He says she's CNN commentator, you know, Democratic strategist.

Here are two takes on the two different issues.

It is for Kavanaugh, my new column at the Hill, investigate fully or withdraw Kavanaugh's name now in capital letters.

Here is the take on Biden.

Republicans' dangerous weaponization of terror reads allegation against Joe Biden.

Is there a difference?

Do you notice just a different, slight different flavor there?

I don't.

No, I don't.

I don't.

No, I don't.

Now the New York Times is calling for a panel unbiased, chosen by the DNC.

They say we can do this.

We just need to have have the DNC pick people that are not political to look into this.

This is the Glenbeck program.

We go to Kentucky here in a second.

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If you think you have seen government gone mad, you haven't seen anything until you hear the story of Mary Sabatino and her family.

They're from New York.

They move to Kentucky.

It's a family of seven.

They homeschooled.

You see where this is going already.

They're freaks and they're from New York, so they must be disease-ridden.

And why would you have seven kids, let alone homeschool seven kids?

Well,

she comes into the town.

She's doing some banking.

And this is before any of the coronavirus restrictions of, you know, quarantine New Yorkers or anything like that happen.

And she leaves two of the kids in the car, and because they're old enough to be left in the car, and the other five she has to bring into the bank.

Well, as she comes in, the teller says, Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, keep your distance.

Why do you have five kids with you?

She said, Well,

they're too young to be left in the car without adult supervision.

You got to leave.

You got to leave immediately.

Well, by the time she gets home, somebody had made an anonymous call and said that they weren't social distancing and

somebody observed these kids and this mother leaving with a man that was not the father and he was manhandling these children and they saw bruises.

So immediately, Department of Children and Family Services come out.

This is where it goes insane.

Mary Sabattino is with us now.

Hi, Mary.

How are you?

Hi.

So what happened was on the

17th, we had gone to the bank to open a checking account.

And we had been running errands all day.

Fine, no issues.

Everyone was nice and friendly.

We get in the bank, and tell us starts screaming at me to take the children outside.

I said, I have to open a joint account with my husband.

It will only take a minute.

He'll stay with the children.

The whole exchange should get back, get back, keep back, get them outside.

So when we got home, my husband and I were just saying how crazy the experience was.

We get home and there's a state trooper and a child service worker at the door.

They said they had to see the children immediately, that they received a call that we were out in public with five children with grandmarks on their upper arms and I was with a man from New York who was not related.

I said to the man, it's cold outside.

They're wearing jackets.

How could anyone see their upper arms?

It doesn't matter.

I'm here for an investigation.

I have to come inside and interview the children.

He comes inside.

He separates the children, interrogates all the children.

And then he had an issue with the homeschooling and why do we have seven children?

How can I...

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Wait, what does that have to do with

anything?

That's what I think.

What does that have to do with?

My first person was not the father.

I said, do you want me to get you the birth certificates?

He is their father.

You're calling him dad.

No, I have to interview the children.

You stay right here.

So he brings them in the kitchen, and he's asking them if they get enough to eat.

Does your mother allow you near the refrigerator?

What are their feelings towards homeschooling?

And then they wanted to undress them.

They took pictures of the children, even though they had no marks anywhere on their bodies.

Now, I have a daughter that's about 10 years old.

This is a male social worker.

And he comes in, he makes them lift their clothes, and he's taking pictures of their bodies.

When all is said and done, after the initial call, which was about grab marks, now he wants an investigation because why am I homeschooling and how can I give adequate attention to that many children?

Oh, my gosh.

Then he says,

you have to make a doctor's appointment this week.

I need full physicals for them.

Wait.

I call every doctor and I cannot get an appointment.

Right, because it's coronavirus time.

Yeah, it just started, so it wasn't that crazy yet.

I hadn't been aware.

There weren't that restrictions yet.

But I called doctors and they said, we can't see anyone.

So I called the caseworker back.

I said,

they've never missed a well visit.

Everything's fine.

I can't get a doctor to see them.

Well, you have a week for them to be seen.

So I went online.

I called everyone I could possibly think of, and someone told me to reach out to HSLD,

the Home School on Legal Defense.

And when they got involved, they were able to help me with that.

So what did they do?

Well I was told that the case the caseworker told me that he had to get a supervisor involved because of the concerns with the homeschooling and how could I provide attention to all that many children and the fact that

he wanted them seen that week.

When the homeschool legal defense attorney spoke to him, he said it was merely a recommendation that I take them to the doctor.

Ah, okay.

Which was not the case at all.

He told me I had one week to do that.

Right.

So we're still waiting for the whole case to wrap up, but it's just beyond crazy that based on a false accusation, they could come in your door like that.

So Mary, why did you guys leave New York?

We left New York because New York was getting too liberal for us.

We wanted a big backyard.

We wanted a nice place to raise the children where we could homeschool them and enjoy the outdoors and where it was a little more freedom.

Yeah, and I mean, because this honestly sounds like what would happen in New York.

It shouldn't happen in a place like Kentucky.

No,

we were quite happy here.

Everyone was quite friendly.

It was so out of character for the whole area.

Have your neighbors said anything since?

Oh, no.

No one.

We've had, since we've gotten here, it's a beautiful area.

Everyone's nice.

Everyone's friendly.

There's no issues with anyone.

Even we've been out other places.

We didn't have an issue.

Just in that one bank where they went crazy that you can't have children out in public.

Now,

it's escalate with the homeschool.

Homeschooling is legal, and we followed every

Mary.

We were living in a time that our grandparents wouldn't have been able to understand, where if you have, you know, over four children, even four probably, you're like, whoa, look at that.

And seven, that's crazy.

Our grandparents used to have 14 children.

I don't know how women ever were walking around,

but they did.

And now, you know, with seven, you're a mark, if you're seven and homeschooling, you have to be insane.

But let me ask you this, Mary.

You have seven children you homeschool.

I have two children still left in the house.

And

I'm about to lose my mind on the homeschooling thing here because it ain't working.

Any tips?

Because I think America really

is not.

I mean, you're cut out for homeschooling, clearly.

Some of us, I mean, I barely have the dad thing down.

Teacher, too, mm-hmm.

Teenagers?

Mm-mm.

Help.

Oh, the homeschooling works out so well that we actually we continue it sometimes on the weekends, even for two hours, just because

that it keep it the structure of it.

The children enjoy learning with it.

And having good private school and beforehand, they enjoy so much more being home and being able to focus more on subjects that appeal to them.

How many kids do you have in your family?

How many parents how many your parents had?

How many children?

My parents had 13 on number seven.

13.

And how did your mother provide for all of you?

You obviously were neglected.

My mother homeschooled us all.

My mother and father both had college degrees, and there was a lot living in New York.

There was a lot of stares and a lot of comments on that.

But, you know, everyone turned out well.

Everyone went on to college.

I have physicians, assistants, for brothers, accountants.

You know, no one grew up to be the criminals that people thought thought that they would be.

Or disadvantaged.

So everyone grew up successful.

Mary,

this used to be the story of America.

We understood this.

Now, for some reason, we don't anymore.

Where is this case now?

What has to be done to get the state off of your back?

It was...

The caseworker informed the attorney that it was handed to his supervisor, and I believe there's about two weeks left for them to make a decision on it.

And what is the decision that has to be made?

Whether they'll close the case or continue it.

Now, the allegations were only that the children had grandmarks on their upper arms and that the man who was not my husband was with me.

But the caseworker, because he came to the house, those allegations were cleared up.

But now I'm being investigated for having

seven children and for homeschooling them,

which is

it blows my mind

to be investigated.

No, you have you have really good attorneys now.

If you're with the homeschooling defense league, you're in good hands.

But, Mary,

they had an election there just recently in Kentucky, and things went a little insane.

You should maybe consider Texas.

This is a good place to be free in Texas.

God bless you.

I chose Kentucky because of Bevin.

Choose carefully.

We understand.

Mary, thank you so much.

God bless you and the whole family.

Please let us know if anything comes up and we can help you.

You know, these weasels tend to disappear when the light turns on.

They're like cockroaches and they go underneath the refrigerator when the light's turned on.

So if we can help you, you let us know.

Thank you so much, Mary.

I pray so.

Thank you.

Bye.

You bet.

God bless.

Mary Sabatino.

I mean, I think you can see why she's she's under investigation.

Am I right still, or am I right?

Saying it sounds out of control.

Out of control.

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You're listening to Glenn Back.

Hey, we didn't do what's new in Glenn's studio today.

There's always something hidden somewhere in the studio.

I mean, it's usually out in plain sight.

But you have to identify it, and it's usually a historic item.

If you identify the item, I will tell you the story behind the item, and you get a copy of my new book, Arguing with Socialists, which is available now everywhere.

So, what do we have a winner today?

Yeah, let's see.

Do you want some of these other?

There's a bunch of people guessing.

You tell me what it is.

We've got the sacrifice poster, measuring tool,

measuring tool.

Let's see.

Nope.

Sign,

microphone.

You've been doing the show with a microphone the whole time.

People don't know that.

Metal box underneath Churchill?

Yeah,

there is one item under Churchill.

It's a secondary item.

It kind of goes with it.

There's another one that says machete.

You decide on who's going to win on this, Stu.

This might be more.

Maybe we send two out.

And then there's another that says the sword.

Okay, sword is better.

Okay, so this is a sword right behind me.

You will see if you're watching on Blaze TV a sword that is kind of glistening there.

That is actually a sword used

in

the Battle of Tripoli with the Marines.

That is a Muslim sword.

used to behead our Marines.

And the little metal box, it's why I didn't really count it because you wouldn't notice it.

But that little metal box there is not.

It's actually a leather cuff that went around the neck and is tied in front.

That's where we get the Marines, their name of Roughnecks,

is they would put a leather cuff around their neck and tie it down.

So when they were being fought by the Muslims in Tripoli, they weren't immediately beheaded.

you know, until they were captured.

But then they usually weren't beheaded.

They were turned into slaves.

but that's a different story.

Well, I think as far as the contest goes, I guess I'll give it to all three of these people, considering you continue to change the rules and the way this thing works.

Uh, so how did I change the rules?

Well, there's two things, first of all.

I mean, you said, what's the new thing in the studio, and there's two things today, so that's that's a basic one I think maybe most people might realize is not the normal setup to the contest when you put two new things in the, in the, in the, uh, in, in the, uh, in the room when it's supposed to only be one.

Tomorrow, you're

tomorrow, you'll be lucky if there's not a hundred things in the room and three of them are members of your family.

Okay.

One thing we didn't get to is President Trump's Gallup approval rating is backtied for an all-time high.

And I wanted to get your view on this because you watch the polls really carefully.

Can we trust the Gallup poll?

Because it shows that he had a bad couple of weeks.

It went down and now it's popped back up to his high

with independence in particular.

It went down six points, and now it's up six points.

So it's back at its all-time high.

Yeah, and so the independents are almost every

poll's movement is explained by independence, largely because the Democrats and Republicans on Trump are pretty much locked into their categories, right?

It's about 90 to 10 on both sides,

you know, with the opposite view of Trump.

This one is a positive poll for Trump.

It's 49% is his highest.

I believe he's been in the Gallup survey pretty much since he

took office,

as far as I know.

It's the first poll I've seen on this, and I think any poll you see that you only see one is going to.

Well, it may not be, right?

Like, it may be the first one, right?

Every movement in polls has a first poll that kind of identifies it, and it may very well be that.

I want to see a little bit more support on this.

The same thing kind of happened, as you pointed out.

He got a boost when the coronavirus thing kind of happened.

He rose up, and then the first few weeks of April, a couple of weeks of April, seemed to drop down, and that kind of fade away.

And this may be the sign of it ramping back up, whether that's because this economy is starting to open.

Who knows what the reasoning is?

But we'll definitely seem to continue to watch it.

It's a good sign for Trump.

Certainly not a bad one.

I think independents would look and say, eh, he's not being a dictator.

And there's a lot of other people that are not only becoming a dictator, but encouraging Trump to become a dictator in the media.

It's bizarre.

This is the Glenbeck program.

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