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It is amazing what the press is doing today.

And they're doing the same thing on General Flynn.

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So

I don't know exactly the truth here.

There is now new FBI notes

that detail the effort to catch Flynn in a lie to, quote, get him fired as a Trump advisor.

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Senior FBI officials' handwritten notes from from the earliest days of the Trump administration expressed concern that the Bureau might be playing games with the counterintelligence interview of the then National Security Advisor Michael Flynn to get him to lie so, quote, we could prosecute him or get him fired, end quote.

The notes and other emails were provided by Flynn's lawyers under seal last week and released Wednesday night by court order, providing the most damning evidence to date of potential, potential politicization and misconduct inside the FBI during the Russia probe.

The notes show FBI officials discuss not providing Flynn a Miranda-like warning before his January 2017 interview, a practice normally followed in such interviews, so that he could be charged with a crime if he misled the evidence of the agents.

I mean,

where are the civil libertarians?

Where is anyone saying, wait a minute, hold it just a second.

When you you go in and you like, let's not read him the Miranda rights so he forgets about all of that stuff.

Isn't that why we have the Miranda rights?

So we don't pick people up that we think are guilty and then trap them.

This is unbelievable.

So

the note said,

What's our goal here?

Truth, admission, or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired

now that's the problem I have the last the last few words or get him fired

okay well hang on just a second is that the job of the FBI is that the job of the police to get somebody fired that's the problem Not whether or not they were trying to

get him to lie.

I mean, I think that happens usually.

Let's get him.

Look, if he won't admit it, if we can prove that he's lying on something else, we can get him on that.

I mean, it's kind of like

Al Capone, you know, going to jail for tax evasion.

Yeah, you didn't get him for the murder and the mayhem, yeah, but you got him for tax evasion.

All right, he's in jail.

So that thing, that kind of happens all the time.

But this doesn't

or get him fired.

Why would the FBI be interested in getting him fired?

Now here's the problem.

Half of the press is saying,

see?

The other half of the press is saying,

there,

I don't know what's true

because there's not anybody who is a, oh my gosh, am I going to say it, authoritative voice.

Who are the people that can actually look into this

and can trust.

I know now I've got to go back and get my research team on it, talk to a million people, all the stuff we used to be able to say, well, look, New York Times, Washington Post, somebody,

somebody will have,

you know, an authoritative final look at this and they'll look at all sides.

No, nobody does that.

Nobody does that.

Too many people on the right are not doing that either.

I mean, I think, see, the problem with this is

it's not about Flynn.

It's about the FBI.

Flynn could be guilty of sin.

I don't know.

But this is about the FBI.

Was the FBI used as a political machine, as a weapon?

That's what has to be decided.

You know, look, the civil rights movement, it happened not just because of Martin Luther King, but because of Bobby Kennedy.

Bobby Kennedy was there to make sure that justice was done, that they weren't just railroading people because they knew them blacks were trouble.

That's what this is about.

Can we trust the law enforcement agencies?

If we can't trust the FBI,

you don't have a country.

If you can't, look,

what is it from the Declaration of Independence?

Governments are established among men to protect these rights.

When you have a government agency, the law enforcement agency,

violating rights, becoming a political arm, you're back to a king.

You're back to a king.

It depends on who's running it.

It depends on not only who's running it, but who's in it.

So it doesn't need to be Barack Obama.

Barack Obama changed and added so many people in the intelligence community and in the law enforcement community, added so much layers, so many layers of fat, and we know this from their own documents, that it could run itself no matter who the president is.

That's the fat that needs to be cut out.

All of the political crap.

We must know the truth.

And there ain't, there is no one.

There is no, in fact, we've crossed the Rubicon.

This is, I've been warning about this for a very long time.

I said the government,

the media, and tech are all going to need each other.

Okay.

Tech has information on everyone and is the new strong arm.

So The government knows it can't screw with tech.

It can't screw with tech.

They have too much information and too much power and there are too many people in Washington that want that power.

So they will offer

to help them with their business.

We'll help you.

We'll protect you.

Can you protect us a little bit?

Because people are going to start rising up against the government and they'll need information.

They'll need to be able to quash things.

Okay.

They'll never get rid of that bed that's being made.

It's poison to the Republic.

But there's also another group of people that are collapsing.

And this is a very strong arm for anybody who has authoritarian bent, and that is the news media.

It's collapsing.

They know it.

It should collapse.

It's outdated.

It doesn't work.

It was the system we're running on right now of networks was put together in the 1920s and 30s and then made more powerful with television, then made more powerful with cable.

Internet destroys all of that.

Internet, where you have a voice, you can be heard, it destroys all of it.

Well, now they're sitting with these huge expenses and the buildings and the networks and the, hey, come on here, toots.

Let me look at your ass for a minute to see if you can sit behind the camera.

Excuse me?

All of that is over.

All of that is over because of the freedom that the internet gives.

Joe Rogan.

Look at Joe Rogan.

The media two years ago had no idea why Elon Musk all of a sudden was trending everywhere.

Why Elon Musk, why the stock of Tesla took a nosedive.

They had no idea because they didn't follow Joe Rogan.

Because, well, he's not an authoritative voice.

Well, you know what?

Yes, he is, to millions of Americans.

But he's just a guy.

Well, there's a few of us that actually do our homework.

And we're having to do more and more homework because

the mainstream media is doing less and less.

But now the mainstream media has got in

with tech and the government.

And now

the mainstream media, which has always been a tool for the left, Google has is just filled with people from the left and filled with people from Nancy Pelosi, Hillary Clinton's office, all of those people.

They know how important it is to have authoritative news sources like CNN that we can rely on to do what?

To tell you the truth or help you get elected.

So

they're now merging

and

Google YouTube, which was the voice of people

for the very first time in all of human history anyone could be heard anyone could become a star anyone who had an opinion it's yes it's bad you know why because freedom is ugly freedom is

messy

freedom

freedom doesn't always go your way

A lot of people do stuff that you don't like.

Get over it.

Use your brain to figure out.

Use your brain to do some research.

Oh, a guy's got a microphone and a camera in his basement.

Well, I better believe everything he says, because I like him.

There's no difference between that and well, I mean Chris Cuomo.

He's got a camera and a network and I like him.

And he's in his basement as well.

There's no difference.

One just has millions of dollars to make it look beautiful and millions of dollars in marketing.

You shouldn't trust anyone, but none of us should be trusting the government.

The media was supposed to be outside of the government.

The media was supposed to be our defender.

It was the

fifth of the fourth branch.

Was it the fourth branch?

We're the fifth, right?

Stu?

Try to remember.

Fourth branch of uh of government

they're supposed to be outside just like the congress and the senate check and balance congress together check and balance the administration uh fifth branch and then you have the supreme court so you have the three branches of government as designed by the constitution then there's another branch on that tree that checks all of those guys and that's press

and then there's another branch on that tree and that's us Well, we're down to us, guys.

We're down to us.

And here's the problem.

We have now grown accustomed to this thing called freedom, where my audience, listen to this.

I don't know if you can relate to it.

I've been doing this for 40-some years.

It took me a lot of hard, hard work to

gain an audience, to gain a platform.

I've got 16 year old kids now who have a platform and a voice.

They didn't have to do anything that I did.

Hooray for America.

Hooray for freedom.

My audience has an audience.

You have an audience.

That's insane.

That's never happened before, but it's being shut down.

I'm going to get in later on the program what's happening with YouTube.

They're officially launching a new panel to make sure that everything that is said on YouTube,

a platform where somebody got famous for taking a bath in spaghetti.

They're going to have some fact checkers now and they're going to go to those authoritative voices like CNN and ABC.

It's never been more important right now for you to do your own homework.

You define multiple voices that you rely on.

It is now more important than ever that we don't lose touch.

I don't know what happens to local radio.

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But I haven't finished yet on the mainstream media because I don't know the truth.

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I just wanted to go over to this and see if any of this makes sense to you.

Okay?

Uh-huh.

The New York Times runs an editorial, anger building on the left over Biden's refusal to confront Tara Reed accusation.

Now, the New York Times, I would say, is probably the best

out of the mainstream media.

They did, what, one story on it where they came out neutral

and then they changed their

tweet to make it even to make it less neutral and lean towards Biden.

But now they're saying, you know, a lot of people on the left are very upset and we're with them.

Boy, that Biden, he's really got a, he's got a step to the plate.

Nobody's asking him.

No.

Why should he come out and say something when your own reporters aren't asking?

Then you also have the Washington Post.

And I want to ask you this.

Let's start here.

If you're a reader of the Washington Post and you have not heard any of the charges, you know, they're not covering it.

Nobody's been talking about it in the mainstream media.

And you read an editorial.

The Washington Post editorial board called on Vice President Joe Biden to directly address Tara Reed's accusation of sexual assault.

The editorial board called Biden out for his failure to address the accusation.

Tara Reid deserves to be heard, and the voters deserve to hear her, said the editorial board.

They deserve to hear from Joe Biden, too.

Mr.

Biden has had little to say besides what his campaign has already said, that he didn't do it, that this is not something he would ever do.

Yet the way to signal,

yet the way to signal he takes Ms.

Reed's case seriously and the cases of women like her seriously is to go before the media and the public ready to listen and reply.

Wait,

but you have to ask him.

Reply is usually something replying to a help me out, Pat.

The question, maybe?

Question.

Yes.

Thank you.

I can't take the,

and this shows the power

of the people.

They do not want to cover it.

They haven't covered it.

And yet it's out there.

Yeah.

And that's why Google is now trying to silence non-authoritative voices.

Would you agree?

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah.

Did you see the fact that, as of Monday, at least, CNN, who did

700 stories on the Brett Kavanaugh allegations, 700 stories, had by Monday done

a little less than that, zero stories on Tara Reed's accusations.

Unbelievable.

I mean, that's just

both are less than a thousand stories, though.

Well, that's that is true.

That's the same category.

There are less than a thousand.

Yeah.

So, uh,

so do you guys know who Katie Halper is?

From the Katie Halper show.

Oh, she's on the program.

Isn't she?

Yeah, she did the initial interview with Tara Reid.

Yeah, and so she's a

deep progressive.

She's a Bernie Sanders thing.

And she said, I didn't want to be the one that broke it because I'm a Bernie Sanders fan, but she's a progressive

Democrat,

diametrically opposed.

I'm quoting her, diametrically opposed to Trump's policies.

The huge irony is the New York Times and Washington Post, I'm quoting, allegedly objective outlets have been the ones stealth editing their stories, openly taking editorial feedback from the Biden campaign, as New York Times executive editor Dean Bacwa admitted to

you, Ben, talking to Ben,

what's his name?

Shoot.

Jim in here.

Let me see if I can Jim in here.

Smith.

No, Ben Smith.

New York Times media columnist.

As you had an excellent QA with him.

It's obvious that the editors are regurgitating Biden's talking points.

The only surprising thing is they don't have the awareness not to announce it publicly.

So she goes on.

Then you have,

then you also have,

gosh, there's one more here that was amazing.

Oh, Rose McGowan.

Now, Rose McGowan is crazy.

Let's admit it.

She's crazy.

But even the crazy are waking up.

Listen to what she said.

I used to be a proud Democrat.

I used to be a proud American.

I thought democracy meant I had a right to choose somebody who lined up with my value systems.

But what if there's no one?

She went on to say she was raised on the idea the Democratic Party were the good guys.

She said, I feel quite a sense of loss.

Now I know too much.

She said, this is about holding the media accountable.

You go after Trump and Kavanaugh saying, believe victims, but you are a lie.

You have always been a lie.

The corrupt DNC is in on a major smear job of Tara Reed.

So are you.

Shame on you.

Yeah, that was directed to me.

That was directed to Alyssa Milano,

who

came out in support of Biden

and who just a few years ago was all about being a believer of everybody's accusations.

So was Biden, by the way.

Biden also said women deserve to be believed.

Well,

okay.

I believe Tara Reed.

Yeah, it's tough when they get caught in their own ridiculous statements.

Isn't it, right?

I mean, like, I think that it's not a sane position to believe all women.

That's an insane position.

You should listen to them.

Yeah.

Every one of them, when they make an accusation, should be taken seriously.

And it should also, by the way, we should have a level of skepticism.

And that's based on this idea of innocent until proven guilty.

So if someone needs to be proven guilty, you need to go

at the accusation and not just instantly believe it because it's impossible to prove yourself guilty if everyone believes your accuser.

Or

prove yourself not guilty.

Excuse me.

Yeah.

So

here's the problem.

Now, listen, they're starting to make some sense, but it's inconsistent.

This is Tarana Burke.

Now, she's the woman who is celebrated as the brave, brave woman who empowered women in the entertainment industry to finally address widespread sexual harassment and violence.

And if she did that, that's great.

I don't know her story.

That's fine.

There's been some good things that have come out of the Me Too movement.

And then there's been some bad things because it's been used as a political weapon.

She says, she's quoting, I'm quoting her now on the Joe Biden thing.

My stance has never wavered.

Survivors have the right to speak their truth and be given the space to heal.

But the inconvenient truth is that this story is impacting us differently because it hits at the heart of one of the most important elections of our lifetime.

And I hate to disappoint you, but I don't really have any easy answers.

There are no perfect survivors, and no one, especially a presidential candidate, is

beyond reproach.

So, where does that leave us?

Well, on the one hand, Tara Reed has been afforded the opportunity to speak her truth through mainstream media reporting on her claims and ongoing investigative journalism.

She's been able to come forward in a process where she was treated fairly in a trusted system.

Instead, like other public survivors before her, she had to rely on journalists in order to be heard, precisely because the systems for survivors are not in place.

But on the other hand, the defense of Joe Biden shouldn't rest on whether or not he's a good guy or only hope.

Instead, he could demonstrate what it looks like to be both accountable and electable.

Accountable for what?

If he didn't do it, then

he should be someone you can consider supporting as a Democrat.

If he did it,

how are you supporting this person?

You're saying you're voting for a racist?

No, no, no, no, no.

No, no, no.

She explains

um how to be both accountable and electable in the me too uh era meaning quoting at a minimum at a minimum acknowledging that he that his demonstrated learning curve around boundaries with women at the very least left him open to the plausibility of these claims no matter what you believe we are allowed to expect more from the person running for u.s president oh my gosh i love that that's

That's being held accountable.

That's holding yourself accountable.

You know, my learning curve, you know, it's curved and, you know, that made, that made people say things about me that, you know, maybe some people believe that aren't true because of my learning curve.

Yeah.

Oh, my gosh.

It's amazing how it gets handled too by the media, where Kavanaugh was like, here is a situation where Republicans want someone on the Supreme Court who looks like he was most certainly a rapist, right?

Like, that was basically the way the media handled that story.

Oh, yeah.

Listen to the framing of the Biden story, though.

They're finally covering it now.

But listen to the framing of it.

This is from the Associated Press.

A sexual assault allegation is raising Joe Biden's first big challenge as the

Democrats' presidential nominee, fueling Republican attacks and leaving many in his own party in an uncomfortable bind.

So it's not about how horrible of a guy this is or this terrible experience that he apparently put this woman through.

Instead, it's that it's a challenge.

We're now in horse race mode, right?

He's got a little thing he's got to fight off as a candidate.

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We're talking about a sexual assault allegation here.

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And clearly what they're doing here is trying to push this off into some sort of element in our little political soap opera that's unfolding.

And that's not what this is.

So, Pat, I do have a correction on CNN for you.

CNN has covered it in their

editor-at-large piece.

They wrote something yesterday.

Okay.

That was after Monday, though.

Yeah, I know, I know.

On Tuesday, CNN's Don Lemon asked former Georgia state lawmaker Stacey Abrams about the allegations.

Okay, so they covered it on Tuesday night, but they covered it with bat crap crazy Abrams.

Okay.

But then, then

she responded that the New York Times,

you know, said that they hadn't done anything.

Well, CNN has corrected this.

That's not accurate.

And they go on to say that the New York Times said they didn't know who was telling the truth.

So

they're on it.

It's CNN now.

And besides,

whose truth is it that we're looking for?

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Because apparently there's all kinds of different sorts of truth now.

I hate that line,

we should listen to her truth.

There is no her truth or his truth.

There's only truth.

It's either it either happened or it didn't.

It can't be the perspective of Biden or her perspective.

Either he stuck his hand up her dress or he didn't.

Right.

Which did he do?

And we keep talking about this.

Like, as a society, we have to take these accusations seriously.

But if you're Joe Biden, you don't.

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I didn't do any of this stuff.

Get out of my face.

She's lying.

Let me just quote the FBI agent because I think this could be asked of the press today.

What is our goal here?

Truth, admission?

Or to get him to lie so we can prosecute him or get him fired.

This is the same kind of thing.

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Coming up in just a second, we have the co-founder of The Federalist.

He's a podcast host, the Federalist Radio Hour.

His name is Ben Dominic, and

he has just

written a story for the Wall Street Journal, how my joke on Twitter became a federal case.

He made a joke about

unions

and the National

Labor Relations Board or Relations Labor Board,

which is the closest thing we have to a Gestapo, I think, that and the FAA.

I mean, it is a Gestapo with unbelievable powers.

Well, they have come after him for a joke.

Government out of control.

And we've got to band together and stop this stuff right now while we have an ally

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salon person that opened up her salon?

Apparently, the business next doors to her, next door to her, which is open, it's a dog groomer, has been calling the city.

So she's got to now go show up in court.

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Yeah.

So we got that going.

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We're going to talk to Ben Dominench

who

had a Wall Street Journal editorial, How My Joke on Twitter Became a Federal Case, literally a federal case.

He is going up against, I think,

the Labor Relations Board

is

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We will talk to him about the trouble he's in for making a joke.

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He's the co-founder and publisher of The Federalist.

He hosts a podcast.

I think he's got to be tired.

Formerly of the Heartland Institute and the city, Heartland Institute is just the best.

Welcome to the program, Ben.

Great to be with you, Glenn.

Thanks so much for having me on.

You bet.

So now, you made a joke on Twitter

about labor unions.

What was the joke?

So

the joke was that in the context of a bunch of leftists over at Vox, which is a place that I do not encourage your listeners to go and read,

were all protesting despite their cushy jobs

in favor of new negotiated, even more cushy jobs.

And I made a joke at the time last spring that,

you know, warning the folks at the Federalist, which I run, you know, hey, the next one of you that wants to unionize, I'm sending you back to the salt mine.

Now, Glenn, I do not now and do not plan to own a salt mine.

I'm not ruling it out eventually, but there's aspirations for everything.

Did you hire the people at the Federalist from a salt mine?

I mean, the question needs to be asked, Dan.

I don't think think that would have been to their credit i mean it would have been a sign of how hard working they really are um but right

if i told you that there was a country where someone who you have never employed who you do not know who simply dislikes a joke that you have posted on social media

can

within a few minutes file a complaint that would bring the entire weight and power of the federal government at taxpayer expense down upon you, that they could subpoena every email you have sent to an employee, that they could subpoena your employees, forcing them to hire their own legal counsel, to travel to a different state where they do not work in order to testify in front of bureaucrats, that they could do this at the drop of a pen just because they don't like you.

I would not think that was America, but it is.

And that's what I've discovered.

And it frustrates me.

So, so, so, wait, I'm not fighting this fight.

Wait, what have they done to you?

I mean, they obviously did they call you and say, hey, what's the deal with the joke?

So what happened, frankly, is that a couple of

left-of-center writers, one of them a lawyer

who used to work for the National Labor Relations Board, and another

a lawyer in Boston, filed a complaint saying that my joke amounted to a threat against my own employees based on an attempt to prevent them from unionizing.

Now, I have a very small group of employees at the Federalist, and none of them have ever expressed any interest in unionization.

Really?

The Federalist employees?

Really?

Huh?

Really?

Yes, yes, it's amazing.

And yet,

you know, our motto comes from Calvin Coolidge, you know, famous union buster.

So, I mean, you know, you can take what you will.

Right.

But the perspective.

If they do want to unionize, you're either a really bad person or you're horrible at hiring.

Exactly.

Wow.

So the point of this really is that these leftists who have used this National Labor Relations Board to come after us in such a way that, frankly,

threatens our ability to continue to function as a company.

And

the stakes really are quite small in the sense that what they're demanding that I do is I delete the joke, I send out to my employees

an update on the fact that, that, oh, yes, just so you know, you all have the ability to unionize and that kind of thing, and then it all goes away.

But to me, I think this is about something much bigger, which is that the National Labor Relations Board, like so many other aspects of the bureaucracy of the administrative state, believes that it has much bigger rights than it had in its creation,

its inception back in the 1930s, and then cases that were decided in the 60s that basically say anyone, anywhere can file this type of lawsuit.

And to me, I think that's a question worth re-asking and asking the reason.

We know that it is in every other case, you have to have standing.

You have to be affected by this.

Why is it different for the labor board?

It's different there because they have interpreted their own statute as to allow for this kind of latitude, which is, of course, absurd.

It's bureaucrats just giving themselves the rights to allow anything to trigger anything.

And keep in mind, these are not real courts.

They're courts where one bureaucrat wears the prosecutor hat one day, and then they wear the judge hat the next day.

And so, yeah, no, and they're, and they're very, they're, they're very, very pro-union.

I mean, Obama changed the balance of all of that.

Yes.

And, and, uh, from my perspective, and here's the thing, Glenn, I'm not even that anti-union.

But when they went in front of the board, their

prosecutor maintained, we aren't even a publication, even though we've covered all sorts of things.

We've sent people overseas to Hong Kong.

We've covered cartel things along the border.

We've gone to covering Brexit.

They don't even consider us a publication.

They consider us a quote-unquote anti-union website.

And they're

citing pieces written by legal minds like Richard Epstein and other people who mostly criticizing public school unions and things like that as a proof of that, none of which, by the way, were written by me.

And it's one of these things where you know, that is the kind of latitude that these bureaucrats believe they have to invade.

And I just, I couldn't accept it, Glenn.

I could say I could have accepted the deal, you know, no financial penalty, just, you know,

it all goes away.

All you have to do is delete a tweet.

But from my perspective, I have the good fortune to know so many great, brilliant lawyers and to know so many people who are going to take big stands.

Good for you.

Good for you.

And so we just said no.

And now we're fighting it.

And as we expected, the initial administrative law judge ruled against us.

He said it was irrelevant that my own employees filed affidavits saying, we didn't think that this was a threat.

We thought this was a joke.

He said that doesn't matter.

He said that

it doesn't matter what they think of it.

It doesn't matter that they have a sense of humor and he doesn't.

Ben,

you're dealing with

a very, very powerful arm of the government.

I mean, it's IRS, FAA, and the Labor Relations Board.

I mean,

you are, they are,

whatever they, if they want to destroy you, they will, which is crazy that that can happen in America.

But you are aware of the consequence.

Well, that to me is why this is, this is, that to me is why this is worth fighting, Glenn, because good for you.

If they can do this to me, who has the resources and

has the connections to be able to fight it, then what can they do if the person who makes a joke like this

owns a local salon or the dog breeder that you mentioned or a

and they put something like this and some random sees random person sees it on Facebook or on Twitter and says, I'm going to make their life hell.

That's

what I'm doing.

I cannot stand that idea.

Let me just ask you a philosophical question.

You're a freedom guy.

You've started a small company.

I started a small company.

My company that I personally own 100% of is Mercury.

It owns the studios and everything else.

And I have a handful of employees.

And none of us would unionize.

And I do believe that unions

are very important in balance.

It's when one side gets too much power.

Either the corporation or the union gets too much power is where we have problems.

And so to balance things, I think unions play a role in that.

I'm not a fan of them, but they do play a role, and I accept that for some cases.

But in my shop, this is my dream.

It's my money.

I hired people.

And if they wanted to fundamentally change the way I did things, why don't I have a right to fire people?

Well, I think one of the things that we need to keep in mind is that unions are kind of a break glass in case of complete destruction situation.

I think they do have a powerful function historically,

but they also are, in the case of a lot of modern white-collar jobs,

I just think not the best way to go about things.

There's a reason that that same Vox media that I mentioned at the beginning is currently out hat in hand saying, hey, please give us some money to get through this crisis, even though they took $300 million in investment just a couple of years ago.

I mean, you know, you, Glenn, you built a dream based on your inspiration from a lot of different folks from Orson Welles, from Walt Disney.

You had an idea and you brought people together to pursue that idea.

And I think that if you're a good boss, unions are not the kind of thing that is even necessary.

And that was the real thing that my employees were so angered about in this context because they were saying, why am I, as an American taxpayer, paying for someone to come after me in a way that's going to require me to hire my own lawyer or to engage in this kind of thing?

And Glenn, I want to be clear about how.

Imagine someone coming to you and saying, Glenn, because you made a joke about a union, I get to subpoena every single message that or text message or email or communication you've ever had with an employee.

I mean, just think about how invasive and how overwhelming that power is, and especially when it comes to their disrespect of the idea that you're even in media.

They might say to you, we don't think you're in media.

We think you're an anti-media nation.

And to me, that's just unacceptable.

And so we're fighting it.

We're going to continue to fight it.

Eventually, we'll get to a real court where the Constitution will matter.

And to me, I mean, from my perspective, Even if I lose this argument, it's worth having because I think it tells you something about the nature of America today.

And we cannot allow a future in which these leftist trolls are empowered to to reach out and just pull that lever and enable taxpayer-funded bureaucrats to pursue the people they don't like

so i kind of this is almost a setup question for you so i'd like you to go a little deeper than this and i'm going to take a one-minute break and then come back for your answer but ben i uh

I am really concerned, you know, today YouTube is launching their panels, their fact-checking panels for the COVID crisis.

They are looking for authoritative truth, which chills me to the bone.

And they are looking to highlight authoritative sources.

You're not an authoritative source, although I find you to be an authoritative source because your...

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But you're never going to be an authoritative source.

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Ben Dominic.

Ben, let's talk about the media here for a second.

Have you noticed a shift into high gear on their merging with the federal government and their protection of the media?

You know, look, I think

we talk a lot about the problems of media, both at the Federalist and obviously at the Blaze, and you have been somebody who's been leading in this conversation.

One of the things I think people don't understand is that the most powerful media entities are not the cable news stations.

They are not the things that you see in terms of logos.

They are technology corporations that are the most powerful media entities in the world.

Google, Facebook, et cetera.

These are more powerful.

More powerful than not just media, but everything.

More powerful than the President.

More powerful than anything on planet Earth.

They are nations unto themselves, and they behave as such.

They have their own laws.

They have their own internal rules.

And they have their own battles that they wage.

And in this case, I think that

this crisis has revealed a lot of things about America.

I think it's revealed how many stupid laws we have that prevent the advancement of

not just drugs, but health innovations and the like.

Stupid laws that prevent people from living the way that they would like to live.

It's also revealed how much these technology corporations are willing to use their power to silence people that they find objectionable for various reasons.

And I think that this is particularly true in light light of the way that the red Chinese have used the power of social media to advance their propagandistic message on this virus, on its spread, on its origins, and that they're able to keep their tweets and their postings up.

Okay.

But if you say something that questions the WHO, the China conflicted WHO, keep in mind, led by someone in Dr.

Tedros, who should not be trusted, a corrupt individual from Ethiopia.

He was China's candidate.

He had previously uh you know covered up for pandemics in his own nation and someone that you know we should have fought harder against it that kind of pressure I mean Glenn I don't use this word a lot but it's just it's evil what they're doing it really it is and it is and I think that it you know thankfully there I mean there's a there's a handful of politicians out there that we have today who are willing to confront this kind of thing and I and I hope that we get more of them but I do too I will tell you this go ahead go ahead.

They need to call these companies for account.

They have to bring them in front of them.

They have to make them answer for what they're doing because it's unacceptable and it's un-American.

I would like to see an uprising in America to the politicians in Washington.

You know, there's, there's, I think they're called economic empowerment zones.

Detroit was one

where they where the laws are kind of suspended.

I mean, not all the laws, but they're, they're, they make it really easy for investment to come in.

They loosen and

lax all of the

regulations

so entrepreneurs can come in and turn things around.

I think we should declare the United States of America an economic empowerment zone

and

relax all of these things so we can get back to work and the creators can actually create again.

Then,

you know, go ahead.

I don't know if you've, I know we're having a conversation here, but

I don't know if you have had an opportunity to see some of this footage from South Dakota, from Christy Gnome's territory.

Yeah, yeah.

The parade they ran yesterday and that clearly

emotionally.

The amount of

fire she has taken from the eastern cella core in our New York Eastern Corps

is intense.

It is awful, and it is factually

bereft of any truth.

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We're beginning to break.

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Welcome to it.

Shelly Luther is joining us again.

You may not know who Shelly is.

She's an owner of a hair salon here in Dallas.

Now you're asking, why would you have a hair salon owner on?

Well, because she is facing arrest this morning for staying open despite uh you know salons being deemed non-essential and it's happening in texas she's on her way to court now we wanted to get her before she went to jail possibly hello shelly how are you good morning glenn i'm great how are you

uh well i'm better than you um i'm not going to court today

so well so what has happened since my attorney my attorneys uh did my court case and they we tried to do an injunction for the temporary restraining order against me in my salon, and they did not grant that.

So now I'm just kind of waiting to see what my quote-unquote punishment is going to be for defying the ordinance.

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No, I'm not closing.

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You're still not closing.

No, I'm not closing.

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So you're going to take the punishment.

The hearing.

Has it happened yet?

Yes.

They did not grant the injunction.

So basically, I'm guilty of defying a temporary restraining order.

And so when do they decide your punishment?

I'm sure they are right now.

I'm sure they're getting ready to do whatever they're going to do.

My attorney, just guessing yesterday, thought it could be $1,000 a day fine

and or jail time, along with maybe having city officials stand outside and not allow patrons to come into the salon.

That is unbelievable.

Unbelievable.

They're opening Texas up today.

What'd you say?

The dog groomer next door has been essential the entire time.

So I can go and get my dog groomed, but can't get a haircut.

Correct.

And tomorrow in Texas, you can also get Botox and fillers, but you cannot get

your haircut.

Okay.

Have you had any support from any elected official in Texas?

Yes.

From Chip.

He's a

Chip Roy.

Yes, he contacted me yesterday, full support, support,

making public on his social media how much he supports me.

And there's also a couple of,

I think, state representatives that have sent messages to Governor Abbott saying salons need to be included in what's happening tomorrow.

No,

no, they just

free Texas.

I can't believe I'm saying this.

Free Texas.

We all should be able to make the decisions ourselves.

We're all smart enough.

Since when did Texas not

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I mean, we moved here for a reason because we didn't want to live in California.

We didn't want to live in New York.

And we thought that the state respected us enough to be intelligent and make our own decisions.

It's why our House and Senate doesn't even open up every year.

They don't even go to work every year.

They don't have laws to pass because they trust Texans.

Oh, this is crazy.

The problem is we have people from moving in here from California and the other places.

Oh, I know.

Changing

our state up a little.

So

okay, so are you in a position to pay a thousand dollar fine every day?

I definitely have

thousands, if not millions, of people backing me right now.

I'll just say that.

Well,

that would be great.

That would be great.

All right.

Well, will you call us the minute you find out?

I mean, probably call your husband or whomever and let them know.

You know, I just have a boyfriend.

Yeah.

Yeah.

He's going to keep my phone.

So if you guys want to call back, he'll answer and he can fill you guys in on what's going on for sure.

His name's Tim.

Okay.

We'll call Tim and get an update before we go off the air today, find out what's happening.

All right, well,

best of luck.

Thank you so much.

I appreciate your support.

You bet, Shelly.

Bye-bye.

What's your guests, Du?

It's interesting.

She seemed to have confidence in the funding aspect to pay off these fines and it's taking a stand.

And look, this is the type of thing that was praised throughout history in America when people would take a stand like this.

We saw that through all sorts of movements in this country.

You know, look, the one thing I think, you know, I really like the fact that she's she's standing up and doing this, and the way the very local government in Dallas has treated her is

completely wrong.

You know, the state, you mentioned the state of Free Texas.

I think they are trying to do it.

I think Abbott is trying to do that, right?

I think he's trying to do it in a careful way so we don't get back in this situation again, which I really do fear.

If we just go, you know, we just open up everything up.

We're going to be back in it.

It's going to happen.

So we are going to, we're all going to get coronavirus.

We will all have it.

In the next 18 months, all of us will have it.

I hope that's not true.

It's possible, though.

If that's true, though, I mean, it's going to be a really devastating, much more devastating than it is now.

But, like, we had Abbott on the other day.

He's explained this plan.

And the salons are scheduled to open on May 18th.

Again,

for example,

she's opened because her stylists have no money.

Oh, yeah.

The other part about this, too, is

the stylists all around the country are, of course, going to people's houses and just cutting their hair on the side, which, of course, you know, I totally understand.

You got to keep your life going.

But it's actually a much less safe situation than having a full salon with all the disinfectants and everything else.

So it really makes no sense.

I don't understand why it wasn't included in this first thing.

My guess is because

Donald Trump came out and said and warned against Georgia doing it.

And so I think particularly the red state governors are trying to

take his advice into account and roll it out as slowly and carefully as possible.

Because I think salons are, you know,

I was surprised that they didn't include it.

But look,

they have this plan set up for the state.

If you remember, Colleyville, Texas, which is a town somewhat near where our studios are, decided to open up on their own,

against the advice of the state, restaurants and stuff about a week early.

And Abbott didn't step in.

Like, he's not trying to enforce that and make everybody shut it down.

Dallas, she's dealing with the local government.

It's not a free Texas issue as much as it's a free Dallas issue, I think.

You know, she may disagree with that.

I don't know.

Maybe we can get her on again at some point and talk to her about that.

But I don't think, I mean, you didn't express to me at least that Abbott was making some massive mistake in the way he was ruling this out.

I didn't think he was, but

I think

everybody is responsible

in their own state.

The governors are responsible for these towns that go out of, I mean, you know, Governor Abbott has always been very strong on no sanctuary cities.

I don't care what you say, no sanctuary cities.

You know, I don't know how he holds his recommendations together without, you know, a boot on throats.

So if he steps in and says, no, if they want to open, you're not going to throw them in jail.

You're not going to do all this draconian crap.

But I would expect a governor of Texas to

say,

throwing the salon owner in jail is stupid.

Yeah.

Stop it.

I would bet he would feel that way.

Also, you know, the governor's office seemed to make it clear in the reporting on the openings of the restaurants a couple of weeks ago that the governor is a small believer in small government and is not going to be intervening in this situation.

So,

look, I think you're going to have local issues here that are going to pop up all over the country.

And that is one thing that we keep forgetting about the way we've handled this.

We all keep saying, okay, there's this big shutdown.

Certain things have been shut down, particularly in certain states.

But our federal government has, generally speaking, just given recommendations.

And most people have followed them because, you know, they don't want to die.

And I think,

you know, know that's understandable they're going to do that

I'm telling you people they're opening up the restaurants today

in

in Texas now

if you want to look honestly at what is more essential going out for a restaurant when you got the fast foods restaurants already open going out and having a nice dinner at a restaurant or getting your hair cut

I mean in the grand scheme of things

neither are that important, but in the grand scheme of things, having a haircut

personal grooming is important.

Yeah, is more important than going out and having somebody serve you food when you can get it by taking it out.

It doesn't make sense to me.

And that's the problem.

You have to pick winners and losers.

That's not the government's place to do it.

Yeah, and

they should not be dictating that.

And to your point here, Glenn,

the government has has said here in Texas, as of tomorrow,

restaurants are opening up at 25% capacity.

I will say I have made already two dinner reservations for this weekend.

I'm ready to go back to restaurants.

I'm thinking about it.

I might do it myself.

Yeah, you know, I'm kind of excited to do it.

It's all out to be a little bit different.

25%.

So why can't she open up for 25%?

Why can't they be 10 feet away from each other?

You're at one station and then you got another person at another station.

Why can't you have the social distancing and only 25% of your clientele?

Yeah.

Why is that just restaurants?

It makes no sense.

And this is what they're doing in Georgia, right?

Reduced capacity and salons are open.

I think honestly, look, Trump is a very

important figure for the Republican Party.

I don't know if anyone's noticed that.

When he signals publicly

before anyone else is announcing their restrictions that going to tattoo parlors, massage parlors, and salons are too far right now, don't do it, a lot of red state governors are going to say, you know what?

I don't know, maybe he has some information we don't know about.

So that is the way.

Does he mean spas or massage parlors?

Because tattoo and massage parlors don't really fit into the same category as a hair salon.

I would agree with that, but salons, and I think nail salons are another part of this.

You know, I would agree with you, Glenn.

I'm with you on this.

My point here was to say that

restaurants can open here tomorrow, and so can movie theaters.

All the major movie theater chains are saying we're not going to open, which makes a lot of sense.

They have no product to serve, there's no movies.

But with the restaurants, all can be open.

About 50% of the restaurants are opening, about half of them.

Right.

Well, so you're going to have a hard time.

You're going to have a hard time making.

I mean, it's a stress on everybody.

You're going to have a hard time making money.

Yeah.

You know, if you're a restaurant, if you can only have 25%.

But they are making, my point is that they're making their choice on that, right?

They're making their own choice on whether they're going to open or not.

And

if we don't have a massive flare-up in two or three weeks here, then all these things will be open.

I think it's to 50%.

And they're just trying to stagger it a little bit so we don't get hit by something we don't see coming.

I tend to think that that's generally prudent.

I think it's probably a good idea to do it that way.

We saw what happened when we got behind this disease in some of these big cities and the early breakout areas.

And you look at Italy did the same thing.

They tried to keep everybody kind of going normally and did not crack down until after there's like a thousand people already dead.

At that point, they were way behind where they needed to be.

So

I don't think it's a bad approach.

I think, though,

trying to prosecute people and saying, like, if you're a salon owner, you say, you know what, I'm going to go for it.

I think it's important.

I'm going to go for it.

People can come in if they want.

That should be a decision the government respects.

These should be recommendations and best practices.

Maybe you put a note on the door.

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You know,

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We're glad you're here.

We want to talk a little bit about the economy today and what's coming our way.

Right now,

there is a poll from The Economist that has just been released.

Are you better off now than you were four years ago?

Now, think of that.

Are you better off now than you were four years ago?

What do you expect that answer to be?

They asked that now in the middle of a global pandemic.

I would assume most people would say no at this exact moment where I can't go outside.

I don't feel all that much better off.

According to The Economist,

46%

said yes.

I'm better off right now.

37% said no.

Is this just a sign that

this question and polling is just pointless?

Like, what does that mean?

I mean, better off in what way?

We can't even leave.

I just did a freaking

expose on myself for going out to a restaurant this weekend.

I was so excited about it.

I made an announcement.

No,

because I think people think they buy into this V-shape recovery

and they think that

this hasn't impacted people yet.

It has impacted people who can't pay their rent, et cetera, et cetera, but they're waiting to go back to work thinking that this

V-shape, I think it's tough.

Insanity.

It's a tough one

to be able to manage.

You actually made this point on, you were on a podcast with Michael Harrison recently, and you made this point to him.

You actually illustrated it really well.

Maybe you could do that, kind of go through that, because you're talking about how it's similar to an airplane heading into heavy turbulence.

Yeah.

Okay, so imagine that the United States is

everything is in an airplane, a 747.

It represents everything that America has and is.

And there are 400 of us on this big 747.

And the pilot comes over and says, we want to thank you for flying Federal Reserve Airlines.

We're so happy that you chose us.

We knew you had a choice, but actually, the choice is us through secret panels and everything else.

But thank you again.

Listen, we're entering space here up front.

It looks like we have some pretty severe

turbulence headed our way.

You know, we've just been talking to the other pilots of the Federal Reserve.

And

it looks like we think that maybe

as we go through this turbulence,

maybe 40 of you might actually bump your head and maybe severe enough to kill 10% of everybody on the airlines.

Now, you would at that point be like, oh, wait a minute, what?

That's not what I signed up for.

Hold it just a second.

What are you doing?

Can you do something?

Yeah, again, thank you so much for calling Federal Reserve Airlines and flying with us today.

So we've been doing some calculations, and

we thought, what we're going to do is we're just going to turn the engines of this big baby off entirely.

Now, normally you don't do that because you'll come crashing to the ground.

It's a pretty big airline.

It doesn't have a lot of glide once we turn these engines on.

But hey, it's not the space shuttle.

So we don't think we're going to fall out of the sky like a brick.

Now, I should warn you that the altimeter is also busted up front.

We've been tapping on the glass for a while, but it doesn't seem to be working.

And it's very cloudy down below, but we're pretty sure we're going to know where the ground is before we hit and right before we hit we're going to turn those engines back on and show you exactly what Boeing can do well what Boeing used to be able to do we're not really sure what Boeing can do now but hey it's not a 777 okay so I think we're going to be okay how many of us would be pounding on the door saying no no no let's not shut the engines off and if they came back to you and said

uh yeah we I mean we're we're pretty sure I mean look we we know some of you are panicking out there saying hey nobody's ever tried this before uh but we're pretty sure and listen even if we hit the ground uh we're pretty sure there are trees down below us and so we'll uh land in the trees we're gonna try to make it a soft landing uh but it may rip the wings off uh kill maybe 50 of everybody on board uh and uh and it could be really really quite dicey uh but we're in the middle of nowhere and by the way did i tell you that our communication went down and nobody knows we're here so no help will be coming But we're pretty sure we'll be able to piece this baby back together and

get you back up in the skies and to your destination or

wherever your connections may be taking you.

Thanks for flying.

We're going to turn the engines off now.

We'd never do it.

We'd never, ever do it.

So what happened was

they told us about the people that would die.

And we're like, well, we don't want to die.

And we thought, well, now, wait a minute.

I could be one of them that dies or my family could be somebody that dies.

And you guys are saying that maybe like half of the plane could die.

So, okay,

I trust you.

But what they didn't tell you is, we're going to shut the engines off.

and then turn them back on right before we hit the ground where we're not sure.

Nobody's ever done this before.

And then then this baby will just pop right back up to where it was.

That's why people are saying, yeah, I'm better off because you have hope that we're going to go right back where we were.

And you were better off than four years ago.

But we've turned the engines off and we're hoping not to hit the ground.

And I hope, sincerely hope they're right.

And we pop right back up.

Everything in me says, not going to happen.

But I am a catastrophist.

So I'm the guy on the plane going, don't shut the engines off, don't shut the engines off.

And I hope everyone laughs at me and points to me while I am in the back row with my pants just full of

whatever was inside of me before they shut the engines off.

I hope everybody was like, stinky Glenn, he crapped his pants.

He was so wrong.

Please, I welcome everybody saying that to me.

I hope that's what everybody says.

I don't think so.

Yeah, I mean,

if you think of a chart of what the economy looks like, right?

It goes up and down and goes up and down.

The flight analogy really works.

Because

trying to take an airplane, turn the engines off, it goes straight down, and then you have to just turn them on before you hit the ground, pull up really hard, and then go straight back up, it does not seem likely.

Like, you almost could picture the type of

recovery where it's almost like more like a check mark, right?

Where it's like you have a quick down and then a very long, gradual return.

If that occurs, though, there's massive damages to the economy, to workers.

Permanent

damage.

Yeah.

Permanent damage is being done.

It is hard to overestimate how bad this is, right?

I mean, like today, Glenn, we came in.

They did the weekly unemployment numbers, and today's number was 3.8 million, I believe it was.

3.8 million.

Oh, that's lower than they thought.

They thought it was going to be four.

That was

legitimately my natural response to that number.

I was like, oh, wow.

Oh, 3.8.

That's actually down.

And it is down.

It's now the fifth worst week in U.S.

history.

Last week was the fourth worst week in U.S.

history.

The week before that was the third worst week in U.S.

history.

The week before that was the second worst.

And the week before that was the worst.

That is exactly what is happening.

Yes, the total number of claims.

So we're getting better.

We're getting better.

It's improvement.

You know, that's.

Either that or none of the phones are still working at the unemployment office.

One of the two.

Right.

I mean,

it is remarkable.

And by the way, remember, the normal number is like a quarter of a million.

So

by the way, and I wish I also point out the sixth worst week ever was the week before that.

So we have the top six weeks, worst ever, are all in the last six weeks.

That is not necessarily a good sign for your economy.

And Glenn, you know, looking at these numbers today.

You are harshing my mellow.

Sorry.

You are really really harshing my mellow.

But this is the one that really pisses me off.

Look, we have a serious thing we're dealing with here, and I understand there's a lot of disagreement on how to deal with it.

But I think, you know, it's obvious there's hundreds of thousands of people who are dead, and there's a massive undercount on these numbers.

It's blatantly obvious if you look at the all-cause mortality numbers.

It is absolutely, we have a lower number in our minds than of what has actually occurred.

So

you look at that and you say, this is a serious thing.

And maybe, you know what, maybe it was worth doing drastic things.

However, here we are in week six of this.

Why are there still 3.8 million people

going to unemployment?

Remember, I can understand in the first couple of weeks, if you're a business that's right on the line, okay, you're right on the line as to whether you can make this work or not, you've got one week of cash, you have to lay everybody off immediately.

I,

you know, that had to happen because it had to happen, right?

I think, no, but I think that there are people that are now, we're holding on and holding on.

Remember, the average business had three to four weeks of cash.

But this is why I'm complaining.

So they were holding on.

This is why I'm complaining, because this is the exact scenario these government programs were supposed to solve for.

The company that has a little bit of cash wants to keep their employees.

They couldn't get it.

That's what I'm mad at.

That is what I'm mad at.

Yeah, we can't freaking stay then.

I understand your anger.

Trillions of dollars on these programs.

We've printed money into oblivion, and yet still these business owners are forced to have to lay off employees in week six of this.

That is insanity.

This just shows how poorly these things were put together, how poorly they're being executed.

And I understand there's a historic demand for these things, and this is not easy.

And that's why you give them a break maybe on the first couple of weeks.

We're on week six.

Yeah,

I want to show you the actual stats of what we think unemployment really is.

And you will begin to understand

why you don't turn the engines off

and just hope that they're going to start again

and

why

your complaint is accurate, but you have to have a little understanding when you see the actual unemployment numbers.

It is staggering, staggering.

We'll do that in one minute.

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So yesterday I did an hour with Mike Rowe.

It was a fascinating hour on the Wednesday night special.

You really have to watch it.

If you're a Blaze subscriber, you can see it on demand anytime you want.

But it was really, it was good to talk to him.

Boy, you want to talk about common sense.

That guy's full of it.

I mean, full of common sense, not anyway.

If you look at the job numbers, okay, let me just take these COVID-19 job losses by sector.

Okay.

Restaurants and bars have now lost 12.3 million jobs.

Travel and transportation, 3.5.

That's going to be much higher than that.

Entertainment, 2.7.

Personal services, 2.1.

Retail, 6.6.

I think you're going to see things like Macy's never coming back.

Manufacturing, 3.5.

Construction, 1.1.

Other, 2.3.

A total of 31.4 million jobs have been lost just for April.

Now, let me take you state to state.

If you happen to be watching us on Blaze TV, you'll see a map down at the bottom.

The worst states are the ones that are in dark blue.

The best are in the light, light gray, kind of grayish blue.

Stu,

name a state.

Let's start in Florida.

Sure.

Florida,

their rate of unemployment is now estimated to be 23.1%

or higher.

Oh my gosh.

Unbelievable.

New York.

New York is 18.1 to 20.5% estimated.

You have

Pennsylvania is at 18% or lower.

Nevada is horrible, 23.1% or higher.

20% unemployment in Alaska.

California is doing relatively well with only 18%.

Excuse me.

The best states seem to be Minnesota with 18%.

I'm really being challenged on my geography now.

Minnesota below that, I think, is Iowa, 18%.

Nebraska,

about 18%.

Pennsylvania, about 18%.

And for the life of me, that's Kentucky.

No, that's not Kentucky.

That is

Alabama?

No, not Alabama.

What is that right next to it?

Is that Hawaii?

No one is.

No, what is that one?

Right next to Oklahoma above Louisiana.

Is that Alabama?

No, it's not Mississippi.

I can't say I can't.

Arkansas, that's what it is.

That's what it is.

Okay, thank you.

Jeez.

You're good at this.

Yeah, I'm really good at that.

So now let me tell you what you are not being told.

If you look at the official unemployment based on filings just for benefits,

they're estimated to come in this month at 13.5% for April alone.

Okay, so when we get our numbers, suppose tomorrow, isn't it?

May 1st?

Yeah, we should see.

They are coming out this week, aren't they?

I think they are.

Yeah, I think they are.

13.5% unemployment.

However,

as I said to you,

this is years ago.

I started looking at the unemployment numbers and inflation numbers.

We have so jerry-rigged these things starting back in the 60s and 70s and really bad in the 80s, we no longer measure things the way we used to.

So, you can't compare it to the Great Depression because we didn't measure it the same way.

So, if you measure it the same way as we did in the Great Depression, the height of the Great Depression was 25% unemployment.

So, you say, well, so it's not the Great Depression.

We have 13% in the month of April.

So, that's not so bad.

Let's measure it exactly the way we did in the Great Depression.

And our number

goes from 13.5%

to 27.2%.

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And I don't think going back to the first thing that we talked about when we were talking about how people say, yeah, I'm better off today than I was four years ago.

It's because I think people are believing,

and I hope they're right.

They're believing in this V-shaped recovery.

And that's why they're saying, yeah, I'm better off because there's hope for the future.

And economically, that's the one thing we were missing under Obama was it wasn't getting better.

And he was telling us it will never get better than this.

And he was, thank God, wrong.

You're listening to Glenn Beck.

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I've just, you know, I'm sometimes amazed at how much socialists just love Jews.

National socialists, international socialists, they all have that one thing in common.

Boy, do they love themselves, some Jews.

And Bill de Blasio is no different.

You know, it started where he put a series of tweets out.

Let me just give you this super classic.

My message to the Jewish community and all other communities is this simple.

The time for warnings is passed.

I've instructed the NYPD to proceed immediately to summons or even arrest those who gather in large groups.

This is about stopping this disease and saving lives, period.

So you damn Jews have just got to stop gathering.

Now, he's already had a problem with the Jewish community.

If you remember, way back, what, two weeks ago, when he said that they were going to lose their synagogues permanently.

Hmm, I didn't know a mayor could do that, but he did.

As complaints of hate crimes targeting Jews in New York City under his watch have gone up 52%.

He now says, oops, I'm sorry.

I need to apologize.

Now, let me just tell you what was happening.

He singles out an entire religious group because of a funeral.

Now, a rabbi died, and they had to have a funeral.

Well, you can't gather for a funeral.

I mean, I think this is the same kind of crap that people have been, Jews have been dealing with for thousands of years.

This is nothing new.

This is...

This is what the National Socialists did in Europe in the 1930s.

This is what Stalin did, the international socialist.

You imagine the firestorm had Donald Trump said, hey, listen, this message to the Jewish community, oh, and all others.

If he would have said, oh, by the way, this message to the Chinese community, imagine the firestorm.

But somehow or another, in New York City, we're not talking Alaska.

In New York City,

it's okay.

Even Jerry Nadler has responded to this.

He said, while we all have a responsibility to observe social distancing and do our part as we face COVID-19 pandemic together, the mayor's singling out and stereotyping of a community and threatening response is unacceptable.

We have to do better for ourselves in the city.

Oh, okay.

Well, so what was this whole thing about?

Well, it was about a rabbi's funeral.

Well, here's the problem

from the New York Police Department news.

And you gotta love the fact that the police department hate de Blasio as much as de Blasio apparently hates the police and Jews.

Can you imagine being a Jewish policeman under de Blasio?

His head would explode.

The New York City Police Department tweeted, two hours before it started, NYPD brought trucks with barriers, tower lights, to close off Bedford Avenue and the surrounding area.

It's the New York City mayor's department who originally approved it before deciding to take it back.

So

the Jewish community had done everything they were supposed to do.

And

then he's yelling at them for not doing what they're supposed to do.

They did it.

The police were there.

They were barricading the streets.

They did absolutely everything they were supposed to do.

Now de Blasio has apologized.

Listen to this apology.

Do we have the audio of it?

I spoke last night out of passion.

I could not believe my eyes, Marsha.

It was deeply, deeply distressing.

Again, this is a community I love.

This is a community I have spent a lot of time working with closely.

And

if you saw anger and frustration, you're right.

I spoke out of real distress, that people's lives were in danger before my eyes, and I was not going to tolerate it.

So I regret if the way I said it in any way gave people a feeling

of being treated the wrong way.

That was not my intention.

It was said with love, but it was tough love.

It was tough love.

So is that the same kind of tough love that

people in the Bronx

or Brooklyn, they were at Prospect Park.

They were giving him a hassle because he and his wife drove to Brooklyn.

Just to take a stroll, you know.

And he was out in the park and people in Brooklyn were like, you have your own park at the mayor's mansion.

You've got a park.

You want to take a stroll?

Take it there.

What are you doing?

Coming over from Manhattan, crossing the river, coming into our park.

So they're yelling at him.

And he says, come on, guys, give it a break.

Oh,

give it a break.

So he's been chauffeured.

over to Brooklyn so he could take a walk in the park with his wife, and then he yells at people who are yelling at him.

But Jews who went through the proper channels, had his office approve the funeral, the NYPD approve it, and then set up barricades.

He gets angry.

Ah, okay.

Hey, how angry are you,

de Blasio, at

the Muslim community?

Because all over New York, the Muslim community, I mean, where is that, and I know this is out of his purview, but where is the

New York

mosque that's been allowed to just,

you know,

zip tape everything off so they have, you know, plastic on the floor and everything else?

Nobody else has been given this special privilege.

I know that, you know, prayer calls are going out during Ramadan.

I know that you can go to the mosque in many cases in New York York City that they haven't had any problems with the mayor at all.

Well, why is that?

Because,

I mean, why is that?

All religions,

they're all protected.

But why is it one religion seems to be always in trouble?

And I'm not talking about the Christians.

I'm talking about the Jews.

I told you this early, early on.

You should never be surprised at the depravity of those who preach real socialism.

People who know what socialism is.

Not the people who are just like, oh, I like this utopia.

We should try it.

It will work.

I mean the people who have been to Venezuela, been to Cuba, been to Russia.

They know what it is and they still hold it up.

Those people never,

never be surprised to the levels of depravity and anti-human

activity that they will endorse in the end.

He is an elitist.

He is a socialist.

He is anti-American.

I'm not saying that he is not an American.

He just hates America.

He hates our system.

He always has.

He loves the Marxist philosophy.

He always has.

And for some strange reason, and I could explain it to you biblically and theologically, but beyond that, I can't,

they

always,

the leadership always seems to embrace this

evil

of wiping out the Jews.

So when I see a bunch of Jews on the street, yeah, of course I was angry.

Now, he didn't say that.

But

I don't know.

His patterns seem to indicate that he doesn't have a good relationship with Jews.

I can't believe you're even going down this road, especially after this incredible innovation New York came up with yesterday.

You know, like I have been critical of the way they've handled this, but you can see what they're doing now, and now you see the plan.

Beginning, I didn't see the plan.

Now I see the plan.

They have one?

Yeah.

Okay.

What is making a big difference?

What they decided to do, and I honestly had just never thought of this before, but they're deciding to.

Yesterday they came up with this.

Yeah, they started it last night.

Wow.

What they're going to do is

clean and sanitize the subway cars every night.

And I was like, wow, that's a great idea because the virus could be on surfaces and people might touch it.

And so it was a great idea to start cleaning them regularly rather than than having the entire city get inside a giant metal tube and put their hands all over everything after everybody from the day before.

This way, Glenn, this will help stop the spread of the virus in the city that's been most affected in the entire globe.

And this way...

Well, the first passengers.

The very first passengers will be a little safer.

A little safer.

The very first.

Yeah.

Now, are they going to ask the rats to get out of the subway while they clean it?

Or, I mean, God forbid they do anything about

diseased vermin that run rampant in the subways.

Clint, that's another great idea.

They should think about removing some of the rats, too.

These are all great ideas.

I don't know why I had, you know, look, that's why I'm not going to be able to do it.

If we could stop the Jews from having funerals,

okay, and sanitize the subways

and maybe, just as an add-on, do something about the rats in the subway.

It'd be a utopia.

It'd be socialist utopia.

We'll get rid of the police department, too.

We're almost there.

We're almost there.

We got to get rid of the police department.

And then we'll just have neighbors, you know, rat on one another.

By the way, did you see the

oh, where is it?

I've had it for a while.

I've got to find it.

The

what people are doing in New York with his

rat on each other

hotline.

Oh, yeah.

Where Where they were texting, because it's a text number you can send text messages to report people in case they happen to be having a party or a gathering or be within a hundred yards of each other, whatever your line is, you can text them and let them know what is going on in your neighborhood.

Millions

have sent in

warnings.

Many of them are just pictures of themselves doing things they shouldn't be doing, and they're like, come pick me up.

They are sending pictures of him doing stuff that he's telling everyone not to do.

About 60%

of everything that is coming in is just mocking him.

Now, I'd like to see that number a little higher, but the people of New York are just screw you, screw you.

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We're glad you're here.

A couple of things that we haven't had a chance to talk about yet.

There is an enthusiasm gap for the next election.

looks like.

People who are voting for Trump, still very excited to vote for Trump.

Those who are voting for Biden,

not so much.

I mean, this is the real problem that they are going to face is that,

you know, like you needed more against Joe Biden other than, you know, going senile, in bed with China, really, really corrupt, probably the most corrupt vice president in the history of America.

what else oh the fondling of people and now the you know the molestation accusation as if you needed more to stay home and not vote

they're now scratching their heads like what are we gonna do what are we gonna do because nobody's excited I think that we are going to be looking at

I don't think he's gonna be the nominee

what are the odds Stu what are the odds odds?

What are the actual Vegas odds or the 534

or 538?

Well, Predicted does the betting market type of thing, excuse me, investment market type of thing on these political races.

So if you wanted to say buy

Joe Biden to win the Democratic nomination, something he's wrapped up, right?

He's not running against anyone.

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No race.

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However, still, they only have it at an 80% chance of happening, which is, I will tell you, as watching these markets for a very long time, not normal.

Like, when you have a candidate that's already wrapped up a nomination, they're usually at 97.

And the reason for that is like, you know, they could fall off of a cliff.

You know, who knows?

Right.

So there's some possibility he wouldn't take the nomination.

But in all normal circumstances, he should be at 97, 98, something like that.

Instead, he's only at 80% chance.

So is that number going down or is it stable?

It's going down.

In fact,

I was thinking it was remarkable when it was 87, which was last week.

That was before the whole CNN thing with Larry King.

And now, another witness coming forward.

Now, he's starting to be asked about it, and other people are being asked about it.

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I've never seen anything.

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