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We got a ton of great reaction to yesterday's show

about the seven deadly worldviews.

I probably spent the last half hour or so last night before I went to bed trying to answer as many of those as we could.

The most frequent question I received is, hey, can I get a further breakdown of those in written form?

And I should have mentioned this during yesterday's program.

I totally forgot.

I wrote a book back in 2016.

Glenn was very kind here to profile it on the show, which helped us sell a lot of copies, by the way.

It's called A Nefarious Plot.

You can still order it over at amazon.com.

But a lot of those seven deadly world views, in fact, all of them, are broken down in greater detail.

If you want to learn more about those, you can get to the book.

It's called A Nefarious Plot.

There it is on our shelf.

Thank you, Erin.

Of course, we have a radio audience of 500 stations across the country.

They don't know that.

And I got to remember that, all right?

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So yesterday,

we spent part one looking at the landscape that we're called to engage.

What are we up against from a belief system, from a worldview standpoint?

Today, we're going to be more practical.

How do we advance what we as conservatives actually believe?

How do we conserve?

Because that's what it means to be a conservative, to to conserve.

So how do we conserve that which has proven through the course of history to be what's best, right, true, and beautiful for the human condition east of Eden?

How do we do that?

And

five years ago, I wrote a book called Rules for Patriots, where I kind of laid out everything I had learned.

from my own time.

I think what makes me a little bit more unique than a lot of people that do conservative media shows is I've actually worked and been involved in kind of the technocratic nuts and bolts side of politics.

I've worked on campaigns, I've recruited candidates, I've consulted with campaigns, I've done strategy for them, and so I've

kind of got a foot in both sides here.

You know, the big idea, you know, philosophical worldview side that we focus in on often in conservative media, but then the nuts and bolts side, you know, when we have candidates that represent our values values and they run for office, how do they get from point A to point B?

How do they run on these themes?

What does that look like?

And so I wanted to put together

kind of a compilation of the best things I've learned over the years.

And I wrote this book called Rules for Patriots that was published about five years ago and was endorsed at the time by

who's who of people in conservatism.

I don't know that you're going to find too many books that get the endorsement of Mucky Mucks at the American American Family Association and Freedom Works.

And,

you know,

you look at Donald Trump endorsed the book at the time when he was thinking of running for president.

Newt Gingrich endorsed the book at the time.

I mean, it's a pretty diverse cross-section of

people involved on the right who took a look at the book and were willing to endorse it for their audiences.

And I've done a lot of talks and meetings about the book and stuff over the years.

But

when I found that,

you know, I thought this stuff was good because I've done it and then I've seen it used against me and done by others.

And when I got final confirmation that I thought we were on to something is

I got a call one day from a guy named Sam Nunberg.

And it was July of 2015, so several months after the book came out.

And we had just had an event here in Iowa.

That's where I live.

I grew up in Graham Pitts, Michigan, but I was born here in Des Moines, Iowa, and that's where I raise my family now.

So I've been, that's one of the reasons I'm so heavily involved in the technocratic side of politics is the Iowa caucuses.

I've been heavily involved in that for a few cycles now, and I worked for the Ted Cruz campaign this last go-around.

And I got a call from a guy before I had declared for a candidate and decided which candidate I was going to support/slash work for in this last cycle.

One of the campaigns that was interested in me was Donald Trump's.

And the day before, we had had this massive event carried by C-SPAN.

I co-MC'd it with Frank Lentz of Fox News, where 13 presidential candidates were here giving their pitches, spiels, to well over a thousand activists here for the Iowa, conservative activists for the Iowa caucuses.

And I was, I was standing backstage

to be essentially closed, for lack of a better description, by Trump to come on board.

And

I still wasn't 100% sure I could do this, you know,

but I was going to certainly listen to a pitch of a guy of this magnitude.

And Todd, you and I, that whole summer, we're like, yeah, we see the Samson bull in a china shop potential, but can we really,

that's a pretty big worldview leap, right?

We had how many of those conversations behind the scenes you and I had that summer as you kind kind of just being a sounding board and

your willingness to ask because my ego wanted all in on this, okay?

But you were willing to ask a lot of the kind of the larger picture questions kind of helped me keep my ego in check.

And so we did a lot of game theory with this and how it would look.

Correct.

And so I'm standing there backstage and Trump's being interviewed by Frank Luntz.

And he talks about how

That was the moment when he said that when John McCain's name came up, and I'm no fan of John McCain as a politician anyway.

Certainly appreciated his service to the country, but as a politician, he hated people like us.

I just detested conservatives.

So

if I think you're going too far in criticizing John McCain,

that's probably too far.

And when he said, you know, I like soldiers who weren't captured and the groans in the crowd and several of the other things he said.

And I'm like, there's no way I can, I can, at least not in a primary, when there's so many other conservative candidates whose records are proven, there's no way I can do this.

And we were actually doing a live show for a national radio network that day.

And I was breaking, you were helping to co-anchor the show when I was doing my MC events.

So I was coming back and forth from the stage to our stage, right?

And I came back and you guys were like, hey, that was fast.

I'm like, I can't.

It just can't happen.

You guys watched what happened out there.

I can't get on board with this, you know?

So the next day, my wife and I are going to a movie after church, and I've got a voicemail.

It's from a guy named Sam Dunberg, who at the the time was essentially Trump's political operator, was running Trump's political machine.

And he said, hey,

you need to see this article I just ghost wrote for Trump for USA Today about his comments about McCain.

And so he sent me the link, and I read the link, and it was titled, I Will Not Apologize, I think is what it was titled.

And he just refused to accept the premise that John McCain was an unassailable figure.

And he even went so far, he even reversed the premise and went so far, trumped it in this piece that Sam Ghost wrote for him to claim he's done more for POWs over the years than the former POW John McCain.

Amy is reading this to me while I'm driving home from the theater and I am just incredulous, okay, at the chutzpah, right?

And I called Sam back and I and I thought, you know, Sam and I are still friends.

And

I thought there was a chance, though, this might be the last time we were ever going to talk.

Because a lot of times in politics, people are your friends when they need you or you have something they want.

And then when you don't anymore, they're not, you know?

And I was like, bold strategy, Cotton.

All right.

Nice knowing you.

This has no chance to work.

And then he stopped me dead in my tracks.

He goes, I'm really surprised.

I just used the tactics out of your own book when I ghost wrote this.

You should have recognized these tactics.

You should have appreciated them.

It's right out of rules for patriots.

So a week later, I was convinced Trump was toast as a candidate.

A week later, I called the guy running his Iowa campaign named Chuck Laudner,

figuring maybe him and I might figure out, you know, because I'm about to decide who I'm going to support.

Maybe we'd figure out we'd support the same person.

And he's like, Steve, I was about to walk away from this like everybody else.

I was offended at what he said.

But

I've never gotten more response from an audience around the country.

I've got military people who are sending us notes telling me, I don't even like Donald Trump.

I am just so glad that finally someone said something they really think and didn't freaking apologize to the media that hates us for it afterwards.

I didn't even like it.

I didn't even agree with it.

I thought it was appalling.

But it's not nearly as appalling

as the lies and fake news that the media that hates him and hates us feeds me every single day.

That the only reason I think government's too big under Obama is I'm a racist.

The only reason I think a child is better off with a father and a mother is I'm a homophobe.

The only reason I think the border ought to be secured is I'm a xenophobe.

I'll take his appalling over that any day of the week.

And it stopped me dead in my tracks.

And you and I had conversations about this at the time too.

True.

And thought, maybe, maybe, well, I had two responses.

A,

there's something different going on out there than we anticipated.

And B, holy crap, the stuff in this book works.

I mean, I thought it worked, all right?

But to see it played out and tried out on such a large stage was kind of the final confirmation.

And that's why today, what I want to do is I want to share with you some of the principles that were used that day to essentially salvage Donald Trump's nascent presidential campaign when we all thought it was done.

And how these 10 commandments of political warfare, how they can be used by us to elevate our principles and help them win the day.

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So yesterday we talked about worldview.

Today we're going to talk about tactics.

How do we do what we actually believe?

How do we get it done?

Get her done.

How do we do that?

Our 10 commandments of political warfare, this is number one for a reason.

Never trust Republicrats.

Do not trust someone just because they talk a good conservative game.

I believe there's a famous line from an all-time bestseller that says, faith without works is what, Todd?

Dead.

That would be dead.

All right.

Show me your works, and I'll show you your faith, right?

Show me your faith and I'll show you your works.

It's a symbiotic relationship.

In politics, you are the hills you die on, not the slogans you spout.

Let me say that again.

In politics, you are the hills you die on, not the slogans you spout.

I could look at any unkept promise by this president in his first term,

and it would come down to one thing:

a trusting of Republicrats.

They didn't repeal Obamacare.

He outsourced that to Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell.

They don't believe in that stuff.

They weren't going to do it.

We still got soldiers standing around in Afghanistan waiting to get IED'd to death like a glorified, well-outfitted maw cop in one of the armpits of this planet for reasons only a law knows.

has no, other than its poppy fields, it serves no strategic benefit whatsoever.

Why?

Boy, the Pentagon is full of those kinds of Republicrats.

People love to talk America first in the jingoistic game, but in the end,

when

some Muslim terrorists coordinate a shooting at a Pensacola military base, the first concern is, let's make sure this doesn't impact our Saudi troop sharing program.

Priorities.

Yes.

In the end, you're the hills you die on, not the slogan you spot.

Let me prove this to you in the most painful way possible.

All right.

So this is one of our favorite games.

Todd, the audience could not see your smile.

It's our spiritual gift.

Yes.

One of our favorite games.

Our sister side at the Blaze is called Conservative Review.

And Conservative Review's primary function is what's called a Liberty score.

And it's to record on a rolling average of the last 50 votes on every conceivable issue.

Just to continue updating how your members of Congress are performing on conservatism.

What I love about this score is it just keeps rolling over.

And other than like a great group like Club for Growth is going to be focused on one slate of issues,

this takes every issue into account.

Because a conservative review, they reject, Well, I'm a fiscal conservative and a social liberal.

No, you're not.

There's no such thing.

That person doesn't exist.

Okay.

Except maybe at Cato.

There's like five of those people on a floor.

All right.

But those votes don't exist.

Those voters don't exist.

That person really doesn't exist en masse.

All right.

You're either a conservative or you're not.

Okay.

And if you're offended by that, by all means, email me, steve at stevedase.com.

I'll be happy to correct you.

Okay.

You cannot limit government by promoting Sodom and Gomorrah.

Because when there's immorality, people are like, you know what?

If I get to do whatever I want, and if it blows up in my face, I'm not paying for it.

I'm going to make you pay for it instead.

That's how we got the welfare state in the first place, folks.

So

this liberty score just looks at how they actually vote on the issues that matter to you, all of them.

I'm going to give you a few names here because they've been in the news a lot.

You see them on Fox News every night, practically.

What do you call them?

Trademark what, Aaron?

What do you call them on our daily show?

Conservative,

no, it's actually new conservative heroes.

Yes, these are your new conservative heroes.

Meaning I own Lilibs in a soundbite or a video clip.

And now

the talking point has come down from Mount Valhalla.

These are now,

behold,

your new conservative heroes.

Trademark.

Trademark.

The name Devin Nunez has been in the news a little bit the last few years, right?

Just a little bit.

Yeah.

I thought he did, by the way, we read his memo on our show when it came out, and almost, I can't think of something in his memo that was not proven to be true.

So let's give credit where credit is due, all right?

He has done some good work on debunking the Russian collusion hoax.

But in the end, when they create hoaxes on the next Republican president you have, because that's how they roll, okay?

Their names change.

Sometimes it's Julie Swetnick, sometimes it's Anita Hill.

The names change.

The scams remain the same,

right?

Fire up the Jimmy Page.

The song remains the same, all right?

In the end, if you want to beat these people, you got to beat them with a better society, with the right principles.

His liberty score, and he's been in Congress for 15 years.

Well, a lot of you are going to be drinking tonight, so let's just go ahead and be honest with you.

All right.

33%, folks.

That's not even a Moses Malone.

Faux, faux, faux.

33%.

33%.

That means almost 70% of the time, your new conservative hero, Devin Nunez, votes with the very Democrats that you believe that he'll be slaying tonight on your behalf on his 798th consecutive appearance on the Laura Ingram program.

You just hate freedom, Steve.

Indeed, yes.

Lindsey Graham.

Oh, yeah.

Remember, he went off?

He saved Brett Kavanaugh.

This is the biggest travesty I've ever seen.

These were my friends.

These were my friends.

You were supposed to do this to one of them conservative judges I don't like.

Not Cara Rove in a black robe.

That's not the rules of engagement around here.

I'm incensed.

Lindsey Graham from the deep blue state of South Carolina.

I believe

you can, I think, in fact, to get elected to the Greenville, and I love Greenville.

We have one of our offices there in Greenville, South Carolina.

Correct me if I'm wrong, if you're listening there from the home branch in Greenville this morning.

I believe to get elected to the city council in Greenville, South Carolina, you must be able to recite the entire New England primer word for word in page order, I believe.

That's how red South Carolina is, right?

Lindsey Gramnesty's liberty score, 30%.

30,

which means 70% of the time.

He votes like he represents Bernie Sanders, Vermont.

Remember, I told you guys yesterday pragmatism sucks.

Lindsey Graham's liberty score is living, breathing proof.

How about the newest conservative hero?

Oh, yes.

She faced down

Adam Schiff and Jerry Nadler, the Isengard and Mordor

of our middle-earth, the two towers of progressive dominance.

Okay.

Would you like to know her liberty score?

She's been in Congress for five years or four years.

24% of the time, time, she votes with you.

At least Stefanik didn't even vote for the Trump tax cuts, guys.

Like,

like that is to even, to be a Republican,

that is the minimum threshold.

You have to be willing to vote for like any tax cut, like literally any of them.

Like you can't be one, like anywhere.

Like even Chris Christie cuts taxes.

Even the rhinos cut taxes.

Because everybody knows that is the minimum threshold.

The number one thing.

Now, for those of us that have been Republican activists, number one thing we would know the Republican Party for is being pro-life, pro-second, right?

But

within the skull and bones society of the Republican Party, the vow you take,

nominé patre.

When you are brought in, did you like that?

When you are brought in, I took a shot at you yesterday.

I had to give one back this morning to my Catholic editor over here to my right.

And when you are a made

evolved blob of tissue, fetal matter in the Republican Party, the agreement is you must vote for any tax cut.

It's just an automatic.

You have to, or you're out.

She didn't even vote for the Trump tax cuts last year or in 2017.

She couldn't even bring herself to do the bare minimum it takes.

Remember in the Man of Steel movie you love so much when you find out that the S stands for hope in their language?

Yes.

Like, what does the magic R really stand for?

Rot gut?

Yes.

Rancid.

How about wrong?

It's the new math?

Yes.

So Elise Stefanic, who right now, there are conservative women around the country right now saying to their daughters, be more like her.

Indeed.

Vote against the number one reason your economy is booming right now, the Trump tax cuts.

Do that.

Dude, if you can't get a Republican to vote to cut your taxes,

that is the point you might as well just vote Democrat because you're going to get everything else that the Democrats want to.

What was it that you pointed out regarding this?

How these Republicans run in red states versus how progressives rise in the United States?

Yeah, we're going to get to that in a second, too.

I got to get to one more, though, because there was a huge blow-up about Doug Collins, the congressman in Georgia, who's got lots of cool quips going off on Mueller and

all these hoaxes we've all had to endure for the last year all right his liberty score in deep red georgia 48 percent

remember when reagan said the person who's your 80 friend isn't your 20 enemy what about the person who's the 50 enemy 70 enemy are they

are they a 20 or 30 percent friend and if you think these are isolated oh there's more

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So we spent an entire opening hour on the first of the Ten Commandments of political warfare from my book, Rules for Patriots, which I wanted to write the antidote to Sololinsky's Rules for Radicals.

How do we actually have principles that elevate those of us that believe in God-given rights rather than emulating the principles of a book dedicated to Lucifer?

How do we do that?

That's what these Ten Commandments of political warfare are all about.

So now that we have, I think, at the very least, enticed a number of you to consider how much you are willing to blind trust these Republicans you elect because they gave you the soundbite you wanted on Fox News tonight.

Let's move on to the rest of the tactics, gentlemen.

You ready to go?

Let's get it.

Yep.

Let's go to number two.

Second of our 10 commandments.

Never attack what you're not willing to kill.

This is a mistake I have seen conservatives make in public office way too often.

Here's the reality.

The minute you become the Republican nominee for any office office in America that matters,

you are immediately a racist, a misogynist, a homophobe, a xenophobe,

and you probably kick puppies.

Immediate.

I look at John McCain.

The media did everything they could to get him the nomination 10 years ago.

Five minutes after he clinched the nomination, front page in the New York Times, he's got a mistress.

Now, I believe that story was debunked, but you think that they just found out about that five minutes after he clinched the nomination?

Or do you think they probably had that story ready the entire time?

And if he hadn't clinched the nomination, there would be no point in running that story because then they could still use him to book him every Sunday morning to use the and spew their talking points against people like us, right?

That's the way the game is played.

You're a Green Bay Packers fan.

Yeah.

The legendary coach, Vince Lombardi, always used to say to his players, if you're going to go over the middle, catch the ball.

Because when you go over the middle, that safety's coming up behind you.

He can't see if you caught the ball or not most of the time.

And so he is caught to play you, the player, not the ball.

So that's why he hits you, to try to stop you and separate you from the ball.

So you're going to get hit going over the middle, sticking out those out.

How many times on an NFL Sunday or a college football Saturday, do you see guys stick the alligator arms out there?

Right?

Meaning they don't fully extend for the ball, and then they get cold jacked anyway.

And you're screaming as a fan, just catch the ball.

You're going to get hit anyway.

What was the point of taking the hit if you're not going to move the chains or score the touchdown, right?

Correct.

Yes.

All too often, you see the people representing you think, you know,

if I just stop here,

they'll be nice to me.

No, they won't.

No, they won't.

You want a great example

of what it looks like to never attack what you're not willing to kill?

Go Go watch Donald Trump Jr.'s recent appearance on The View a few weeks ago.

Dude, loaded up,

came loaded, man.

Entied the freaking chamber, and then with bodies twitching and smoke pouring forth from the barrel, went for a refill,

cocked again,

unloaded the chamber again, and then was like, Austin Powers, I'm spent.

That's that's what you do, guys.

Well, of course you do, but uh,

we need a better, this is like the reverse of the Joker.

We need a better class of criminal, and I'm gonna give it to him, sort of thing.

But this is this is really, really hard to do because ultimately, a lot of our candidates get involved.

Listen, they're they're pageant parents, is what they are.

This is

they really want the ribbon, the ceremony

all of that stuff and you don't have to be a jerk you listen it's easy we're quite good at it uh but you don't have to go in there name call it or anything like that this is about the ideas kill the ideas i go back to john jr you watch that clip he's not he's not in there being a d-bag or anything i mean he's and if anything his delivery reminded me of chris farley and tommy boy burt you were there right when he looks over at when he looks over at whoopy Goldberg and says, oh, I mean, hey, Whoopi, you, you wore, I mean, I mean, Joy, you wore a blackface, too.

Everyone's like, come on, we're all just Ralph.

We're all part of the Ralph Northam society here, right?

See, that tactic, doing it that way, actually works even better.

Because if you go in there with brow furrowed from the outset, then they can right away just label you.

But when you go in there, you know, like Kumo D, how you like me now?

You know,

we're just sitting there having some coffee talk and the truth's on my side.

I got nothing to fear.

This is a devastating tactic.

They're going to treat you like the Covington kids.

Anyway.

Anyway.

So what is the point of earning all of these bad names?

Why do any of this then?

If you're not going to lay waste,

okay, lay waste to the fortress, then

don't enlist because you'll be treated just the same as if you had anyway.

That brings us to commandment number three.

Never accept.

The word never, you're going to find is used a lot here.

I like absolutes.

We love absolutes on this show.

We embrace them.

We marinate in them.

We love them.

Never accept the premise of your opponent's argument.

Never.

Never?

And again, if you just tuned in this morning, never in the original Greek means never.

It's

neveros.

Neveros.

It's never.

How are we doing that today?

Oh, you know, and tons of things.

How many, we all do it.

And

we're all afraid of getting banned on social media right now.

Everybody in conservative media is for the most part.

Except for Kurt Schlichter.

I think he's begging for a ban.

God bless him.

All right.

I mean, it's like Kurt Schlichter logs on Twitter.

He's like looking for updates to their terms of service of what you can't say or do.

And it's like,

all right, now I know, I've got my marching orders for today.

All right.

And

I'm convinced they won't ban him because they just don't want to give him the satisfaction.

So most of us in our industry are paranoid about getting banned from these platforms.

because they're our primary conduit to reach most of you with with our clips and stories.

And it's how you aggregate your information and news nowadays our ability to reach you is severely diminished without them

and so what's happening is mental illness known as trans this and trans that but it's mental illness it's insanity i mean let me let me read for you this headline uh let me find it here from over at red state yesterday all right this headline is incredible And it was a story out of the UK.

This is the headline.

I'm just going to read it verbatim.

A lesbian couple identifying as neither a straight nor gay couple has a miracle baby with the sperm of a man identifying as a woman thanks to a transgender doctor.

That's 2019 in one headline, y'all, right there.

Yes, it is.

And

Red State is doing it this way for two reasons.

One, this is a devastatingly effective way of pointing out how insane this all is.

But two, this is the most devastatingly effective way they could do so without violating the terms of service of the social media groups and getting banned.

If you verbalize your opponent's talking points,

you're helping to advance them.

If you permit the premise of your opponent's argument to be granted, he will win the argument every time.

Whoever's premise is accepted in an argument

always wins, always wins.

We're always arguing bottom line, bottom line, bottom line.

They're always arguing premise, premise, premise.

That's where the fight is at.

It's not at the end of the argument.

It's at the beginning, Todd.

That's why you have to, who's the player former nationals now in the Phillies?

Oh, you're talking about Bryce Harper.

That's why you need to be comfortable saying, that's a clown question, bro.

You've got to have that in your arsenal.

And you have to say it a lot because the media just comes at you over and over again with these ridiculous premises.

And it's fascinating that you bring up, read that headline because one of the best jobs, you did this in real time with the local guy on channel 13.

You got to tell people about that because you basically said that's a clown question, bro.

There was a local news guy, and they had me when I was doing just local radio, and they used to do this feature, local newsmakers for in a chair for 60 minutes, they can ask you anything.

So I go into the chair, and they want to ask me all kinds of questions about homosexuality.

All right.

And he starts asking me questions like,

Do I have, you know,

or do I think a homosexual should be allowed to openly serve in the military?

And I said to him, I think all males and females who are able-bodied and can live by the uniformed code of military justice, if they wish to volunteer to serve their country, they ought to be able to.

And then he asked me again, same question.

I gave him the exact same answer.

All males and females that can serve and can live by the U.M.

Uniformed Code of Military Justice should be able to.

He's like,

well, what about what about gays?

I'm like, I only know of two forms of people, male and female.

If you know of a third variation of the species, by all means, you should be in the chair.

That's what I told him.

You should be, well, let's switch spots.

You're the newsmaker.

You're breaking news.

You're letting us know something science has not previously told us.

I only know men and women.

And then he said to me, he goes, well, do you have any family members who are gay?

Because this was right after we had the election about throwing the judges out over gay marriage here in Iowa.

And I looked at him and I said, well, I believe that what someone, I used their own talking point against him.

I looked at him and said, well, I believe what someone does with another consenting adult in their own bedroom is none of my business.

So I don't call up my family members and ask them, hey, did you have gay sex last night?

and that's how the that's how the exchange ended right then and there that's what you're talking about december 31st 2009 you would have probably been somewhere on the on the airwaves or maybe not because you were probably on break then but around that time you would have been somewhere saying you know with the gay marriage debate this would have been five and a half years before a burger fell with the gay marriage debate what we're really debating here and you would have correctly pointed out is that there is no gender right and of course you would have been told oh you're just making a slippery slope argument.

This is just about love is love and love is equal and all of this.

Ten years later, December 31st, it's that red state headline.

Because ultimately we're saying it's not natural for men to be attracted to women and women to be attracted to men, and that's how we perpetuate the species.

That's really what you're saying is those aren't God-given or nature-ordained instincts.

and desires and wants.

And that's why we're going to justify no longer recognizing that and undoing them.

So what you're really saying, if you take your argument to its logical premise, you're saying there's no gender.

And I'd bring these people on, as you point out, they'd lose their minds.

But now, what is the argument?

What's been the number one cultural flashpoint we've had all year in 2019?

The very gender argument they used to deny to people like me they really wanted to have all along.

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