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Now, Democrats are warning that we better not impeach President Trump because he's not going to go with Mike Pence.

Mike Pence will not be the one.

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Oh, so it is about politics.

It's not about what you actually believe is constitutional.

We'll get into the latest from Washington.

Also, Elizabeth Warren,

not doing so well.

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So everything's fixed.

I'm here to tell you that mentality is dead wrong.

Look at the deep state, for example.

Stu

yeah, I said this.

I said this earlier.

I mused about it earlier.

Then I questioned it yesterday.

Muse, then question.

And now I think

it looks to me like we're just not even going to.

The Republicans are just not even going to get into this.

You think?

They're just going to go, nah.

Well, there was a pitch that you're talking about actually going through and going into all the

I, you know, I don't know.

I mean, I think we have Senator Kennedy on today,

not Ted

and not JF,

but uh, Senator Kennedy.

Still Kennedy.

Yeah.

Yeah, still Kennedy.

And maybe he'll have an idea on their direction because I think it's important he's being hammered.

He's being hammered.

Yeah, well, they, you know, this is, he was the one who was on TV and they said, well, you know, did Ukraine, you don't think Ukraine hacked our elections, do do you?

You don't think they were involved, do you?

And, you know, our intelligence said it was Russia.

It's like, well, two things can be true at the same time.

And the media will not address this.

And he tried to kind of point that out.

I would like to hear, you know, because it was sold in the media that he backed off his statements and said, no, it actually was Russia.

It was.

And I was wrong.

I shouldn't have said that.

I would like to see if his opinion is

a little bit more nuanced than that.

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News from CNN.

The 123-page document written by GOP members on three House committees formalized the president's own cycle of distraction and denial that

he used out to ride out the Russian scandal.

He's using the same tactic to save his job now that he's faced with impeachment over his political pressure on Ukraine.

This just reads like a news story.

It does.

It's so newsy.

It's almost overwhelmed by

CNN news.

Trump is now waiting to hear the formal case against him because he doesn't have to.

He's no longer waiting.

Ultimately, it'll make little difference since his defense was so long ago unmoored from fact and is based on selling a disinformational narrative to his followers that sows confusion and devalues truth for everything else.

This has got to be the opinion piece.

This is not a news story.

Who wrote this?

You have an author?

No, I just have it.

It's just marked CNN, Washington CNN.

No, it's dateline, Washington, CNN.

I'm just looking again.

No,

I don't even, there's no byline on it.

It's just CNN.

Hmm.

I mean, because that does definitely strike me as a political analysis piece, which I would say is a piece,

but a piece of something.

Yeah.

But is not.

That

cannot be a news story.

You want it.

How much are you going to put down on it?

I will put it down.

I'm totally gone.

One cent is about the maximum I would bet on this.

The report released by

the president's House Republican allies on Monday was, in effect, a pre-buttal of a report on the Democratic impeachment investigation set to be released by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff.

The message of the document, less of a defense of Trump on its merits, but rather an endorsement of his counterfactual denials.

It was simple.

Nothing Trump did when it came to Ukraine was wrong, the report said.

His scheme run by his scheme, run by personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to coerce Ukraine to investigate a political foe, Joe Biden, was just fine, according to the partisan document.

Contrary to what top officials testified, there was no quid pro quo, House Republicans claim, and the whole Ukrainian drama amounts to a coup by his deep state enemies, despite an avalanche of evidence otherwise.

Wow.

It's really frustrating the way they're doing this right now.

They are, they, they are, let me give you another one here.

Um,

This is from the New York Post.

House Republicans on Monday released a report ripping Democrats' impeachment proceedings, arguing that the evidence collected in the probe so far does not support the accusations leveled against President Trump or the rise or rise to the level of removal from office.

The evidence presented, now this one reads like a news story.

The evidence presented does not prove any of these Democratic allegations, and none of the Democratic witnesses testified to have any evidence of bribery, extortion, or any high crime or misdemeanor.

End quote.

The Republicans asserted this in the 123-page report, a copy of which was obtained by the Post.

Dueling versions of the case against the president following two weeks of the House committee, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

They are

the mainstream press is working overtime right now to do a couple of things.

Listen to this story from Ceylon.

A Ukrainian prosecutor who aided Trump attorney Ruli Giuliani's search for damaging information on former Vice President Joe Biden was among hundreds of prosecutors fired in a sweeping anti-corruption purge.

One of Giuliani's earliest contacts in Ukraine was given a dismissal notice last week.

Hmm.

Okay, so prosecutor who aided Giuliani's hunt for damaging details on Biden is fired in an anti-corruption purge.

What does that headline tell you?

What is it supposed to tell you?

Anti-corruption purge.

That

these people were removed for

justifiable good reasons because they're just we take an action against the bad guys.

Is that accurate?

No.

He and more than 500 prosecutors from the last regime were fired because they failed to take some exam that they felt was biased against them.

And so they failed to take this exam on what happened in the last administration.

They didn't take it, so 500 of them, more than 500 of them were fired.

Interesting.

Yeah.

This man has denied meeting with Giuliani, but his former associates say he prepared a seven-page dossier, which was passed along to Giuliani.

The former prosecutor later appeared in a report by the Hills John Solomon, to whom Giuliani fed dubious claims to fuel the debunked narrative that Biden had a prosecutor terminated while he was investigating a Ukrainian firm that employed his son.

How is that debunked?

How is that debunked?

We have the court documents that were filed by by that prosecutor three weeks before he was fired by Joe Biden.

He went to court and filed

a court document for an investigation to be able to have the powers to do the investigation on Burisma and Joe Biden's son.

Yeah.

So, where has this been debunked?

Well, and what they fall back on usually here is there were multiple investigations going on against Burisma,

one of which had ended before the Biden situation occurred.

So they say, well,

the investigation was over, as you point out.

They had filed papers for a new investigation.

There were other investigations going on on Burisma at the same time.

We should also report that this stated

thing that Joe Biden was doing in Ukraine.

Totally separate from Burisma, no big deal, had nothing to do with them.

All he was doing was investigating corruption in the oil and gas industry with his focused attention on Burisma's number one competitor.

Now, sir, it wasn't even about Burisma.

It was only about their number one competitor in the same industry.

That's all.

Obviously, there are more questions.

And to just say it's debunked is easy, right?

Because you know what?

Sometimes this does happen, right?

Sometimes Republicans do

throw around theories that are BS, and sometimes they do.

So what they try to do with things like this is say, well, look, you guys know they're all conspiracy theorists.

We've been telling you that everything they've been doing is debunked, and this is just another example.

Don't look into it.

We're telling you right now, it's another example.

A little different than the do-your-own-homework approach that we take with these investigations.

Check it, look at it, read the documents, please do.

Here they are.

We have the documents.

We have them.

So, when you say they're debunked, you'll notice they're not quoting any document.

They're not quoting anyone and showing a document that disproves our documents.

Our documents, in this case, are from the court system in Ukraine.

I mean,

so please debunk that.

I'll correct that.

Just show me what makes that

report and those documents invalid.

Show that to me.

They can't.

They can't.

Nor will they.

Listen to this.

Giuliani told Blaze host Glenn Beck last month that he used Solomon to push the claims in the U.S.

senior State Department official George Kent.

That he also testified last month that Solomon's reporting, if not entirely, is made up in full cloth.

It was filled with non-truths and non-sequiturs.

So he's saying

that Solomon...

that Rudy Giuliani told me that he used Solomon to push these things.

No, I don't think that's what he said.

Correct me if I'm wrong, Stu.

I think he said that, yes, he gave this information to John Solomon.

Right.

They're just inserting the context that he pushed false claims.

But that's not correct.

Of course, what Giuliani or Solomon was informed.

That's like you'll, you'll, you'll notice that up on my giant chalkboard, uh, there is, um,

oh, what is his name?

The, um,

oh, the, the press guy, uh, Michael Isakoff.

I've never said anything about Michael Issakoff except that Chalupa was working with Michael Issakoff on giving him a story which he ran and that story was used for the FISA request.

Okay.

I'm not saying that Michael Issakoff

was part of this conspiracy.

I'm not saying that Michael Issakov is completely discredited.

I'm not saying any of that.

I'm only stating the fact that I know that Chalupa was working the press and she was specifically in her own words, in her own documents and emails to the DNC working on Michael Issakoff for a blockbuster story.

And that blockbuster story,

well, that blockbuster story happened to lead right down to the black ledger, which got Paul Manafort fired.

Is that Michael Issakoff's fault?

Was he part of it?

I've never made that charge.

No.

I mean, if you're a journalist, it was a real story.

It should have been reported.

Correct.

And, you know, we shouldn't dismiss the idea that people were convicted in the release of this black ledger that led to the resignation and eventual imprisonment of a guy running one of the two campaigns going running for president at the time.

You know, that Manafort thing is not a little detail.

I mean, imagine what a big...

2016 was so freaking crazy, and so many details happened, and so many wild swings happened in that election.

But there are most elections in U.S.

history, the biggest story of the entire campaign would be: the guy running the campaign gets fired because of corruption that's leaked out of a country overseas, is

still at some level is questioned, even by the mainstream media, whether it's fraudulent or not, was not entered into the actual

case as evidence.

The prosecution never used the black ledger because they felt that was it had too many flaws in it.

It seemed like it was a good possibility that it wasn't real.

It does seem like the a lot of the information in it was real.

However,

but it was a manufactured collection of evidence presented in a specific way for a specific result.

Correct.

And which, by the way, got the result.

I mean, someone in Ukraine released a document that got the head of a campaign fired in the United States.

But it wasn't.

Everyone tells us it's debunked.

Right.

There were convictions in Ukraine over this.

There was a tape from Ukraine about this.

And that guy that was convicted, there were two of them.

One of them was the head of the Anti-Corruption Bureau, which was set up by Obama, Clinton, the State Department, and George Soros.

That's what that organization is.

And the head of that organization was convicted of interfering in a U.S.

election.

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Boy, have you seen that the GOP is not letting Dershowitz testify?

Oh, you mean that hardcore conservative?

Yeah.

That conservative legal hack?

Yeah.

Alan Dershowitz.

Yeah.

A guy who is, first of all, voted for Hillary Clinton, is obviously a known liberal and one of the preeminent legal scholars of our time.

Yes.

But yes,

he's a hack.

Yes, but he probably

was molesting small children with Epstein.

Again, I've yet to see any evidence other than just an accusation that was seemingly intentionally leaked.

Yes.

In

from a court document.

And he, again, of course, you've heard him on the show, but possibly he's absolutely defended himself and says he's completely innocent.

I mean, who knows with this stuff?

Obviously, we weren't there until they leak a document about us.

We weren't on the island at any point.

But, you know, it's...

Or so you'd have us believe.

We have this situation here in this country, and maybe Jershowitz would understand this as a legal scholar.

It's called innocence until you're proven guilty.

That kind kind of was the standard for a while.

It does not seem to be the standard anymore.

Well, it wasn't in Salem, Massachusetts.

Why should it be now?

That's true.

I guess the real old, if we were really conserving the things from the past, we would go with the old Salem.

See if he floats.

That's right.

Come on.

That's all we have to do.

That's the way Dershowitz floats.

We tie a giant rock around him and we throw him into the river.

If he floats, he's a witch.

If he doesn't, he's not.

And then we know his innocence.

Right.

We know his innocence.

He's dead, but we know his innocence.

Yeah.

At least his name would be cleared.

You know, why he won't submit to that kind of inquiry is beyond me.

Why not?

You don't want your name cleared?

Anyway, this is the reason why they're not letting Dershowitz

testify this week

because they think that the Democrats will just make it all about Jeffrey Epstein.

And you know what?

I say go for it.

Go for it.

He wants to talk about it.

Yeah.

He He wants to defend that kid.

Go for it.

Let him.

Let him go after Jeffrey Epstein.

Why is it that only Prince Andrew is in trouble on this Epstein thing?

Why is that?

How is that?

Seems like there's some others that could be questioned.

Maybe, maybe.

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I just looked up.

We have on one of our screens, we have the things that we talked about just so we keep logs of everything we talked about.

And the last break is just,

sorry, this is very inside baseball, but it just says, Dershowitz, will he float?

And he would call it right now and say, I would not float.

I would not float.

I would not float.

All right.

Welcome to the program.

Let me go to Ethan in Virginia before we get to Pat.

Hello, Ethan.

How's it going?

Good.

How are you?

I'm doing good.

Hey, I wanted to ask you.

In our state of Virginia, the Democrats are like in full control and they're getting ready to change all kinds of gun laws for us.

So the counties, our surrounding counties are changing into Second Amendment sanctuary counties.

So my question is

how much protection to the gun owners will

that Second Amendment sanctuary,

how much protection will that give us?

Well, I would,

I happen to think that sanctuary cities for the Second Amendment are all cities.

The Second Amendment is the Constitution.

It is constitutionally protected right.

So when, you know, with sanctuary cities with illegals, that's like, yeah, we're not going to enforce the law because we disagree with it.

This is, we are going to enforce the law.

It'll all come down to your sheriffs.

If you have a really good sheriff,

the sheriff...

does not answer to the governor, does he?

I'm trying to remember, Pat.

In the Constitution, Constitution, I think sheriffs are the only ones that

don't have a hierarchy.

They answer to the people.

I'm not sure I know the sheriff hierarchy.

The thought is up on the hierarchy of sheriffdom.

I'm pretty sure.

The argument is definitely made.

It's never been

that I know of never been tested.

But the idea is that the sheriff is not an appointment from anybody and doesn't answer to anybody but the people.

And that's why the counties counties are doing it because the county sheriff, if you have a good one, is saying, that's my constitutional right.

I respond to the people, not to the governor or anybody else.

But you will have a fight between the sheriff and the governor.

That's why you need to be, all Americans should pay very close attention to who they have as

their sheriff.

And make sure you really know that person and that person understands the Constitution and will stand.

Thanks so much, Ethan.

Hope that helps answer your question.

You should also be very much aware of the presidential candidate most likely to do something about this gun situation, and that's Michael Bloomberg, of course.

He wants to take the guns off the streets.

Which is great.

And I think.

Well, which is great.

To take the guns off of the streets.

If they were just laying there in the streets,

I would like, you know, can somebody pick these up?

Well, my issue is it's a tire hazard.

I'm constantly dropping tires because of all the guns.

On the gun streets, yeah.

And then they go off just by themselves.

Especially those bayonets, right?

Because they're always on the end of the guns.

And then just in case the same thing happens at home, he's going to come and get them out of your house too.

Just to make everything really

good, obviously.

There's no reason to have something that was developed specifically to kill.

This is one of the, I mean, remember, this is the guy who, what, over the weekend, said, no, President Z is not a dictator.

He answers to his constituency.

No, he changed the law so he doesn't answer to anybody.

Yeah, communists don't have constituents, really.

They don't.

They really don't.

His thing was, oh, you think the people around him, if he starts going bad, you don't think that they'll...

And he couldn't bring himself to kill him.

Right.

Oh, so you're saying a coup is the constituency?

I don't know if you've noticed a lot of dictators survive a long time before a coup really bites them.

Yes.

You know, a lot of people.

The Il family.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The ill family.

Or the Kim family.

Yeah, exactly.

You're right.

Yeah, it's the Kim family.

Reverse, reversed.

But he's got some other great policies.

He tried to explain one of them last year.

And

I think the poor are really going to respond to this when he's talking about taxing the poor and how great that will be.

Love it.

Here's Michael Brown.

You say, well, taxes are regressive, but in this case yes they are that's the good thing about them because the problem is in people that don't have a lot of money and so higher taxes should have a bigger impact on their behavior and how they deal with themselves so I listen to people saying oh we don't want to tax the poor

well we want the poor to live longer so that they can get an education and enjoy life.

And that's

why you do want to do exactly what a lot of people say you don't want to do.

The question is: do you want to pander to those people or do you want to get them to live longer?

And there's just no question.

If you raise taxes on full, sugary drinks, for example,

they will drink less.

And there's just no question that full-sugar drinks are one of the major contributors to obesity, and obesity is one of the major contributors to

heart disease and cancer and a variety of other things.

Yeah, yeah, shut up.

May I just point out:

some people that have money

also have big bellies.

Really?

Some can you name it?

Do you have any specific examples?

Think of anyone.

Someone who may be in the media spotlight for a while, maybe earned a lot of money over the years.

I can't think of a single one.

See to grow.

But it's not

like this obesity process.

Wait a minute.

What?

That's

a specific?

It's not like it's just the poor that are drinking soda.

Right.

Correct.

I think his point is, though, that's not going to tax the poor.

Right.

Because, like, if you, Glenn Beck is going to buy whatever soda he wants, no matter how much the taxation is.

But for someone who has a lower level of income, they may avoid it because of the taxation.

I think that's such a great argument.

The less money they have,

the less damage they can do.

Yes.

Yeah.

To themselves.

Because they're able to buy food.

With the money.

Right.

So they won't hurt themselves with the food they eat or intake or drink.

This is Pat Progressive Theory 101, right?

Bloomberg knows better than them.

They don't know what to buy for themselves.

He has to make them buy the thing he wants them to buy.

He and Elizabeth Warren are so dangerous people.

They're interchangeable.

They're the same people.

This is a guy who, what, 10 years ago was supposedly a Republican 15 years ago, and then he was an independent, and now he's just a communist.

I mean,

no, he's not, I don't think he is a communist.

He's dangerous people.

I think he was replaced by a communist, but I don't think he is a communist.

He is clearly a capitalist, but he is a progressive capitalist.

Yes.

He is the icon of the progressive wing of

the Republican Party.

He's the ultimate.

Now that John McCain is gone, he's the ultimate.

You know, he believes in all of the big government stuff.

He just happens to fancy himself a Republican until it becomes unpopular.

Is there anybody who is against Trump getting rid of the credentials for Bloomberg reporters?

Like, because we've been critical of sometimes I think Trump gets too hypersensitive of what the media writes about him, and he's banning some reporters.

But this one is clearly right.

They have come out and made a statement that they will not investigate any Democrats, and they will only investigate Trump.

Like, how on earth can a news organization, Bloomberg, get away with that and maintain any level of credibility?

I understand that he's the guy that owns the company, and there's weird things there.

And it makes sense, even.

What would they say?

You're not going to investigate Bloomberg or the Democrats, but you have to apply that also to Trump.

What would they say if Murdoch were American and would run for president of the United States?

Right.

What would they say?

They would say, you cannot have Fox.

It would be ridiculous.

It would be ridiculous to think that they would be fine with that.

They'd be out of their minds over that.

Out of their minds.

This isn't Fox and

Murdoch.

This is Bloomberg and Bloomberg News.

I mean, and they're already making that case.

I know when I was called up into the office

of Rupert Murdoch, the first talent, I am told by Roger Ailes, to ever been called up to Rupert Murdoch's office before.

And he was nervous.

And I was like, cool, I'm going to meet the guy.

Hi, what's happening, Danunda?

And I sat there with him, and the first question he asked me was, are you running for president?

And I knew what that was about.

I was talking about this.

Yeah.

Are you running for president?

It was right after 828.

And I said, no.

What are you going to do with all this power?

What power?

You just called the largest group of people together as a private citizen.

Roger and I spoke about it this morning.

We cannot think of anybody who is a private citizen who has called that many people and had that many people come without an entity behind him.

So who do you represent?

And I'm like, I don't want any of that.

I just thought we should all get together on the mall.

And they really didn't understand it.

But the first question was important.

Are you running for president?

Because you can't, Mike Huckabee.

If he was running for president, he loses his show.

You can't do that.

How is it that

anybody like Mike Huckabee is different than Michael Bloomberg?

How can the guy who owns it and they say, oh, by the way, we're only going to investigate this.

And how is it those journalists don't rebel?

Go, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

You're telling me,

like, there's a big story about

Elizabeth Warren, and we can't report on it.

Basically, you're saying, oh, all we can do is aggregate other people's reporting.

We can't do any investigations.

Like, if you're a journalist, you got into journalism to do investigations.

And now you're like, well, these people are off limits.

Remember the whole

do not prosecute list we talked about in Ukraine?

That was so controversial?

Like, that's essentially what they've done.

They've created a do not not investigate list.

How can you, how can it have any credibility?

And a lot of this stuff just comes from the news organizations.

Fox News fires those people not because,

you know, fires them,

makes them leave their shows because they're running for president.

Not because necessarily they have to on cable, because they have the

they have standards.

They're saying to themselves, we're not going to allow, we can't allow

even the appearance.

What are they going to say when Trump leaves office in 2028?

just to screw with people I mean Bloomberg went for three terms why not there you go and he changed it he changed the constitution of New York City today that's right uh so when when Donald Trump leaves in 2024 and he starts the Trump television news network which is almost certainly going to happen it's going to happen it's going to happen

what are they going to say what are they going to say Are they going to allow Trump's reporters into

the White House?

Of course not.

No, no.

of course not

no they're not especially if trump was running for president

you've got bloomberg running for president and trump says i'm not letting him in i'm not letting his people in here no i think president west would allow them in you know president kanye west

he'd probably allow him yeah yeah well that's 2024 you know that's happening in 2024 so it'll be a whole new world when we have president west

in office.

Guys, I actually thought Adam West.

That's when he said West.

That's

how old am I?

I know.

I was singing Wild, Wild West.

I was like, what, what is that?

Was it Jim Gordon or what was that guy's name?

I don't even think you should have an election.

Just give the presidency to Kanye West.

It's obviously going to some Kardashian.

So let's just pick one.

At least Kanye seems kind of Republican.

I mean,

Kardashian has to be the next president of the United States.

And look, he's black.

He has a relative that is transgender.

Yeah.

I mean, he's got it all.

He has everything.

He's going to do very well in the intersectionality Olympics.

He'll be great.

He'll be great.

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Very excited to have Senator John Kennedy on with us tomorrow.

Actually, today.

Tomorrow we have John F.

Kennedy.

Oh, wow.

Which probably will be a bigger interview, I'm guessing.

I think he's a Republican now.

Oh, God, yes.

He's definitely a Republican now.

But we have John Kennedy on with us.

John is going through some problems right now with the press because

he has been articulating and I think with all deference to the senator because he's one of the only people trying to do it

he's been put into an almost impossible situation of trying to explain Hydra trying to explain what was really going on and the press is just trying to make this into a conspiracy theory.

Two things can be true.

Russia meddled in our election, but so did Ukraine.

And

he is really the only one that I have seen articulating this.

And I'm very disappointed in his Senate colleagues, but we wanted to get him on and

A,

give him some praise for standing up and speaking about the truth.

And also to see what he thinks the chances are of the Republicans actually going after this Hydra.

Because

this is what this is really all about.

And I'm so afraid this is just going to be swept under the rug.

And

that's a problem for America.

It's a real problem because the State Department will take this as, see, we can do anything we want.

As long as we institutionalize it, we control the president.

And that is really, really bad.

And that has nothing to do with the impeachment per se.

It has everything to do with the system they set up and how the Democrats used that system to hurt him in the election, that is all well documented.

It's not a conspiracy theory, it's a fact of a conspiracy.

I should say facts because we've got stacks and stacks of documents to prove it.

We talked to Senator John Kennedy about what the future is on impeachment when we come back.

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We have Senator

John Kennedy on with us.

He is a Republican from Louisiana.

He is getting a lot of fire from the media who they are trying to make.

They're trying to do two things.

They're trying to say that anything that the Democrats did in Ukraine is a conspiracy theory.

It's not.

We have

massive files of documentation,

much of it coming from FOIA requests in their own handwriting, with their own signatures, in their own words.

We have videotape of them doing these things and even confessing to trying to throw our election.

And the media is trying to make that a conspiracy theory.

And they're trying to make it also that if you believe that, then you somehow or another don't believe that Russia was trying to do what it was trying to do.

I told you in 2014 what Russia was going to do because they spelled it out.

They talked about disinformation campaigns.

They talked about infiltrating our internet and trying to throw our election.

It's clear.

Can't both of those things be true?

We asked Senator John Kennedy that and also

what's going to happen now?

Is any of this corruption going to be exposed?

Because he seems to be one of the only ones in the Senate that is actually

fairly on it.

And so we

want to give him a little safe space to talk openly with us next.

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So, what happens next with the impeachment process?

Are the Republicans going to stand up and fight against this corruption?

Is it just about making this all go away, or is it about rooting out corruption?

Because I think there is mass, I don't think, I know there is massive corruption.

and the state department the uh former president hillary clinton george soros they're all involved in this and it's not a conspiracy theory there's a difference conspiracy theory is you know what this kind of looks like is

but once you have the documents once you have the videotapes once you have everything to back it up it's no longer a theory It's just a conspiracy.

It's a fact.

Are we going to go that that direction?

Are we willing to actually root out corruption?

What will the Republicans do?

Senator from Louisiana, John Kennedy, who is under fire now for conspiracy theories, joins us in one minute.

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not as great as Texas, but still pretty great.

We have Senator John Kennedy joining us now.

Hello, Senator.

How are you, sir?

Glenn, I am well.

And let me tell you, Texas, you mentioned Texas.

Texas is right next door to Louisiana.

Yeah.

We love Texas.

Texas is five and a half times bigger than we are, but Louisiana is ten and a half times more interesting.

Well, let's not start anything here.

Let's just, because we want to part friends.

Senator,

you are being lambasted in the press now as a conspiracy theorist.

And let me start with this question.

Can these two statements be true?

Russia tried to cause chaos by trying to hack into our election systems, spread disinformation online by taking extreme positions on both sides, and hacked the DNC computer.

That's statement number one.

Can it also be true that the Ukrainians were convinced that Hillary Clinton would be better for their country.

They were involved in gathering evidence against Donald Trump and his surrogates to assist a Hillary Clinton win in collusion with the DNC, members of the State Department, our embassies, and the Anti-Corruption Bureau in Ukraine.

Are those two statements true?

Yes.

Okay.

And you stated the propositions very eloquently.

I was asked, Glenn, on a show, several in fact, was it Russia or Ukraine who tried to influence the U.S.

election?

And I said both.

And they said, what's your basis for saying Ukraine?

And I referred them to articles, op-ed pieces, and long investigatory articles in Politico, in the Financial Times, in The Hill,

in The Washington Examiner, on CBS News, in The Economist, Bloomberg News, and New York Times.

For example, the headline in Politico, January 2017, quote:

Ukraine efforts to sabotage Trump backfire.

The Financial Times, August of 2016.

The headline was, quote,

Ukraine's leaders campaign against Trump, close quote.

Third, this is an op-ed piece written in the Hill by the Ukrainian ambassador to the United States.

This is the headline to his op-ed piece, the Ukrainian ambassador, not the Hill.

Quote,

Trump's comments send wrong message to the world.

And I could go on.

Now, did Ukraine

try to influence our election in as sophisticated a manner as Russia?

No.

Russia is the master.

Russia is a third world country, but it has great spies, great cyber skills, and nuclear weapons.

But the two are not mutually exclusive.

And I mean, just from the reporting, I don't believe these are all reputable

members of the media.

Their lawyers aren't going to let them print lies.

And I don't think it's fake news.

So, Senator,

may I direct you to Glennbeck.com where we have laid this all out, and I'm not using other people's reporting.

I have the direct evidence in their own words from State Department documents, from DNC documents.

We have payments.

We have videotape of them admitting to this.

We have the court documents out of Ukraine.

We have the the official documents.

And it is so

outrageous that the press is saying that these are conspiracy theories, et cetera, et cetera.

Reporters can spin.

Reporters can do whatever they want.

Documents do not lie.

And the documents outline all of it.

And it's all in their own words.

When you look at Cheromella, who is possibly the whistleblower, His fingers are all over all of that.

This is why Donald Trump blew a hole in a wall, and he was a hand grenade.

And he and Rudy Giuliani went off and they blew a hole in the wall that exposed all of this stuff that was going behind the scenes in Ukraine.

And our former administration, Clinton, and the State Department, and members of our intelligence community were all involved.

And we have the documents.

The question is: will the Senate actually take this on, or are we just going to, you know, defend against Trump and not expose the exact corruption that I think is poison to the Republic?

Fair question, Glenn.

Answer is: I don't know.

I'm labor.

I'm not management in the Senate.

I'm not a committee chairman.

I will tell you that, as you alluded to, I've gotten a lot of pushback from my Democratic friends about my statement that both Russia and Ukraine tried to influence the election.

I think they're worried somehow.

that admitting that Ukraine tried to influence the election would sometime somehow hurt their impeachment proceedings against the president.

I don't understand that.

I mean, I think most fair-minded people recognize that the Ukrainian government in the past, not the people, but the government

under President Poroshenko and President Yanukovych,

the governments are and were organically and historically corrupt.

And I think that's

been well documented.

It has been, and we exploited, when I say we, the Democratic Party and the former administration, exploited that corruption.

And

it is vital that that is exposed.

If it is not, the State Department is going to know from here on until the end of time, they run the show and they can do whatever they want.

It also will institutionalize the kinds of things that the Democratic Party was doing in Ukraine to try to thwart our election.

Look, if Donald Trump would have been found as coordinating or in collusion with the Russians, I would have been for impeachment on him.

But he wasn't.

They didn't find that evidence.

But that evidence is available in documents, in court documents.

Two people

were

tried and convicted in ukrainian court two people for interfering in our election to try to help hillary clinton win if we don't get a handle on this our elections and the the the the whole system is in question i don't care who goes to jail i want a fair election system

well you are correct there was a federal district court in kiev in december of 2018,

which ruled that senior Ukrainian officials did meddle, did try to influence the presidential election in the United States.

And here's the headline from the article in the Bloomberg News reporting it: quote:

Ukrainian officials meddled in the 2016 election by leaking secret Manafort ledger, court says, end quote.

Yes.

Now,

I didn't make this up, and in fact, Bloomberg News is only reporting what a Ukrainian court did.

Now, my Democratic friends say

Dr.

Hill, who testified in President Trump's impeachment proceedings in the House, says this is all Russian propaganda.

And my response to that is,

well, first,

I don't think Politico and the Financial Times and the Hill Magazine and the Washington Examiner and Bloomberg News are agents for Vladimir Putin, who's a thug.

I don't believe that.

And secondly, Dr.

Hill is certainly entitled to her opinion.

I'm just saying I don't believe these articles by reputable members of the media.

by reputable reporters.

I don't think they're fake news.

And,

you know, their lawyers aren't going to let them print lies.

I know that much.

Senator,

I know you have to run.

We have to let you go.

But

I wish you all the best, and I pray literally every night for spines to be found in Congress and in the Senate because what you are talking about

is institutionalized and metastasized, and it must be cut out.

It is a cancer to our system.

And I'm hoping that

this is, when it gets to the Senate, we actually have a trial about the truth.

And we call these people to

answer for the lies that we have seen now in this impeachment hearing.

Glenn, a very wise person, told me yesterday in a phone call.

He called to say, keep telling the truth.

He said,

leaders, he said, people don't follow leaders.

They follow courage.

And that meant a lot to me.

And I think it's true.

Senator, keep speaking the truth.

Thank you so much.

God bless.

Thank you, Glenn.

Thanks for having me.

You bet.

Bye-bye.

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I don't.

I'm so frustrated because, and I'm not frustrated, I think, with the senators or the congressmen.

I'm frustrated with their staff.

Where is the staff around these people?

Well, I mean, I will say he, you know, look, no, he was good.

He knew the story.

He knew about the arrest.

He knew the details.

He had the arguments against it.

I mean, he was well-versed in a lot of this.

But where's the staff of

the other senators?

Where are they?

Why is the Senate so quiet on this?

I mean, quite honestly, when you know all the details,

impeachment doesn't even matter anymore.

What you need to do is open up a hearing on,

wait a minute, wait a minute.

What was this impeachment thing?

Who are all these people?

Who was what was what was pulling what string here?

What was leading anything?

Because I'm not convinced.

Now,

this is my opinion, but I'm not convinced this has anything to do with Donald Trump per se at the highest level.

This is just

the red meat that makes it able to be chewed on.

But they are trying to send a message.

We control policy.

State Department, the intelligence community, we control policy, not the president.

And this is extraordinarily dangerous, especially when you have people making millions and millions of dollars off of it who are in high positions.

You have massive corruption here.

And I don't know why the Senate isn't outraged.

Well, I mean, they have their chance to be outraged.

Maybe they're just waiting for the process to play out, right?

They're going to have a trial

if the impeachment goes forward as kind of everybody expects, either by the end of the year or early next year.

And then the Senate will have a chance to come out and do this.

You know, there's a report today that Trump read the

Republican memo on this and is now like, look, just dismiss the whole thing.

I don't believe that.

I don't think he's going to do that.

I think that the trial is good for him.

Let's get this stuff out there.

It's great for him if

everybody wants it exposed.

Right.

But I think this is the kind of, this is, I mean, this is every spy movie.

This corruption is so deep and so high up that this is when everything just disappears.

The good guy thinks he's going to win.

And all of a sudden it just goes away.

And you only get the lower level people.

And those other people just kind of shape-shift and move away.

That's that's where we could be if this trial in the Senate does not expose all of this stuff.

This is very dangerous, it has to.

And honestly, it's hard to imagine the Republicans not at least going down this road a little bit.

I mean, this is this is the defense, right?

This is

you have to convince the American people that this call and the actions taken around the call with Ukraine were taken for a good reason.

And you heard Senator Kennedy lay out a good chunk of that good reason.

You've obviously gone into much more depth on the TV show, multiple specials about it.

But if you don't say that it was for a good reason, you have no defense.

So you have to give that reason.

The Hunter Biden thing isn't just a political

attack.

It's about showing that there was legitimate reason for the president of the United States to withhold this money because he believed corruption was real.

That is really the standard we're talking about here.

And if they don't present that case, then there's no way to defend it.

I mean, because if you just take it off on the surface, I mean, the guy's last name is the guy who is the same last name as the person who's leading the field on the opposition.

That's how the American people are going to hear this, unless they hear the real reasons this was important.

So if the Senate doesn't want,

if the Senate wants to be a minority party without the White House

for Republicans, then they will just let this thing slide and not do anything.

I mean, just from their own political survival, if this guy gets impeached and thrown out of office, they've got no chance.

They're going to have 40 senators and they're going to have no White House and no House.

And they're not going to get anything done for years and years and years and years.

So you better step up and make a defense of this.

Not even a defense.

Go on the offense.

Go on the offense.

Stu, last night on the TV show, we showed you the connections again that keep growing every single day.

We keep finding more and more connections and more and more documents that prove our case.

Go on the offense.

This whole Russia investigation, the way they went after Donald Trump, was a setup.

That doesn't mean that Russia wasn't doing stuff.

But all of the accusations around that with him were fueled from the Ukrainian disaster by the DNC.

And they were all connected to the DNC with Chalupa and Hillary Clinton and the State Department.

And then others were making money.

By being as corrupt as Ukraine.

In fact, we were exploiting their corrupt system.

I feel really bad for Ukraine.

I really do.

I mean, they never seem to have a chance to have somebody not put

their boot on the Ukrainian neck.

We just came in and we did the same thing

the Russians were doing.

You're going to do it our way.

You're going to answer to us.

And we're going to bilk you of billions of dollars while we do it.

This must be covered.

Must be covered.

And

as every day goes by, I'm more and more convinced the Republicans are absolutely spineless and won't do it.

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Well,

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It's news I was not aware of.

Well, it's because I'm just speaking it into existence.

Oh, that's always wise.

Yeah, but it may not i will tell you it may not happen uh because uh

this is an extraordinarily uh difficult place to pull this off uh and so we just want to make sure that it's in the ukraine and now you've blown it inside

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It actually might be easier to get that venue than what you're trying to pull off.

It is.

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We've been working on this for a very long time, and hopefully Thursday we will announce it.

If not, within a few days.

But we just want to make sure that everything is buttoned up

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we should have that done.

A few Ukrainians still left to bribe.

And if we don't do it, I'm just going to announce it to the audience

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Ah, they're going to be fine with that.

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That is this weekend, by the way.

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And it's going to be, I've seen portions of what you're going to be doing here, and I await the fallout from your family disintegrating.

I think it's going to be really fun to watch.

I don't have any personal interest in it, so it's great just entertainment for me.

You know what's so interesting to me is you can tell new staff members all the time.

Okay.

You can tell them when they come on, you can tell them all the time,

all this work you're doing,

probably not going to be used.

Oh, yeah,

that's the way we do things around here.

Yeah.

What you do is you invest a lot of your time, like away from your family.

You know, your kids grow up.

You don't really know them.

Yeah.

You know, you don't really have a good connection with them.

They don't know who you are.

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They think you're an intruder.

Right.

And all of that was to usually work towards a goal of a big event of some sort.

And all that work gets poured into the event.

And then a few moments before the event starts, you throw it all out and do whatever you want.

Yeah.

Well, I told everybody that was working on this.

In fact, I said this before I went on vacation for the holiday.

Yeah, you know, I wouldn't put a lot of thought into finishing up all of this because

I'm just feeling that I'm just going to go a different way.

And they were like, wait, what?

I mean, we have all this stuff produced.

And I'm like, yeah.

You're you're just agonizing.

I know.

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I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to be doing on stage, but I know this.

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Yes.

So

let me go over Prince Andrew here for a second,

which I don't like doing.

It's like talking about Joe Biden's hairy legs.

I don't want to go over Prince Andrew.

But why is Prince Andrew the only one that is going to be stuck out on this?

Why is it the royal family is beheading this guy?

And I think rightly so, if all of this is true, I think rightfully so.

But he is.

I mean, he is,

he's being punished hard for for this, and I think more punishment is coming his way.

But was he the only guy?

Well, I mean, I think the answer to that

is no.

That's clear, and it's no.

Right.

Now, whether he...

It certainly seems like Prince Andrew was down to some things he shouldn't have been doing.

It seems it would be incredibly...

horrible luck that he just happened to wrap his arm around a 17-year-old who was being routinely and systematically abused by the Epsteins and

associates.

And

he just got unlucky.

Just wrapped his arm around that happened to be 17-year-old's midriff.

And it just happens.

Sometimes you got your fingers on a midriff of a 17-year-old, and oh man, it just occurs.

I mean, I guess that's his defense.

Other than the, well, it was photoshopped, which is the least believable thing in the universe.

Did you hear her last night?

Did you hear this girl last night on BBC one?

I didn't hear the interview.

I knew she was

being interviewed.

She is so credible.

Her story is just terrible.

And Chad Prayther talked about it a little bit yesterday.

By the way, we should talk about that.

Chad Prayer has a three-part, I believe he did an afterword as well on the Epstein special.

You should go to Chad Prayer on Blaze TV or on YouTube or on the podcast and listen to the special because he goes into the, you know, it's not everyone's talking about the suicide or not lack of it, but the background of Epstein is incredible.

And Chad goes into it in real detail.

Nobody's really talking about this ranch that he built.

The ranch thing is really weird.

Yeah, in Mexico.

Yeah.

And like it's surrounded by

the governor's land, who, by the way, the King Ranch,

not to be confused with the King Ranch here in Texas, but the King Ranch is responsible for a lot of America's corn.

And so is that what's stopping investigations on that?

This thing was apparently

ground zero for pedophilia.

Well, he definitely wanted to do something big with it, too.

Well, he doesn't know exactly what happened there.

I know he did bring people to, I believe his first victim, he took to

a ranch.

She was an artist, if I'm not mistaken, right?

An artist who was under

Ohio.

That was an Ohio, that was a different, totally different ranch.

But he was known for this type of behavior where he would get isolated locations.

Obviously, the island being probably the most famous one, but there was a ranch there.

Also, the ranch in New Mexico, where he would do all sorts of things.

And, you know, there's a level of investigation that needs to happen to flesh out all of these different locations.

Because all the stuff we know really about Epstein with concrete detail is from Miami.

We know that there are lots of stuff,

even the island stuff, we're not really sure what went on there.

We're not even really sure what happened in New York in extreme detail.

And New Mexico and Ohio are

other locations where we know things happened.

We don't know all the details about it.

Miami is really the only one that has had the legitimate big investigation, legitimate reporting, real criminal action.

And I don't think this story being swept under the rug

is any different than the Ukrainian story.

It's the same people.

It's the same very, very powerful collection of people that have the media silent either because I don't want to hurt them or silent because they'll sue the crap out of us.

And they have protectors all up and down the line.

Yeah.

Are you watching?

Have you watched the morning show yet?

Oh, that's the Apple TV Plus thing?

No, I don't have it yet.

I haven't purchased it yet.

I can't recommend that show higher.

Really?

Yeah.

That's a great cast.

Jennifer Anderson's in it, but Steve Carell is in it.

I mean, it's a.

And our good friend, what's his name?

The director.

Anyway,

he plays the executive producer of the show.

He's great in it.

Anyway,

it's a great show, but it is taking these things on.

Is it Mark Duplas?

Yes.

Oh, okay.

He's great.

um so uh it's taking this on it is talking about

um

you know what really is me too but in a very entertaining and not a preachy way and and in a way you've never seen it before because nobody i i'm convinced No one but Apple, which is completely outside of the, you know, Hollywood and the news ecosphere, you know, I'm convinced they're the only only ones that could take this on because everybody else has a skeleton in their closet.

And so they're talking about the Me Too thing and who's protected and who's not, who knew, who didn't, what do we cover?

When do we cover it?

How do we cover it?

I mean, it's fascinating.

It's fascinating.

Yeah, I have to watch it.

You've been really out of the way.

It's great.

It is really one of the best shows on television.

It's surprising, honestly.

I mean, with the cast that they have, it would be...

Yeah, it would be a very traditional, we swear all men are evil type of look at this.

And it's kind of like more nuanced than that and more.

There are times that I'm like, yes.

I mean, it's amazing.

It is amazing.

By the time you get to the third or fourth episode, you're seeing stuff that you thought,

but nobody has said in public.

I just think it's, I think it's remarkable.

And I have absolutely no idea where it's going to go.

I mean,

I just, I haven't seen anything like this on television.

I have no idea what's going to happen even to the central.

The Jennifer Anison character, pretty sure she's not going to

be fired or be lost off the cast.

But this last episode, I thought, there's a chance of that.

I mean, I have no idea.

That's really rare in television.

It is really rare.

You know, I will say, and we were talking about Epstein.

I also had no idea what was going to happen to Steven Crowder last week during his Epstein special special when he simulated

the potential suicide of Jeffrey Epstein inside the cell in an evil kinievel outfit to make sure that you understood it was a stunt and it was very dangerous.

Right.

And

to put the correct amount of pressure needed to break all the bones in his neck,

it made

did he use a paper sheet?

No, he did not use it.

He used a real sheet.

And he had to angle himself

in a way that it would not have been possible for Jeffrey Epstein to do.

Why?

Well, he needed assistance.

You need to watch this.

It's on YouTube.

You can watch it.

I haven't seen it.

But he has the whole recreation of it.

And

I mean,

he is wearing a neck brace.

So he is protected.

But he had measurements, like legitimate scientific measurements of

how much pressure had to be put on the neck for this to occur.

Oh, I can't wait to see that.

And it was very funny, but also like you look at it and you're just like, it just seems really unlikely.

Though the evidence on the other side, I mean, they say that the cameras...

You know, a lot of talks have been about the cameras were out.

Well, but the cameras of the area weren't out, and they show no one going into this vicinity.

I would have not seen Mission Impossible.

I put a little mirror up there, a picture of it.

It happens all the time.

That's what happens all the time.

That's right.

All the time.

I mean, and again, we haven't seen the video.

We're just taking their word for it.

Like, is it down a hallway?

Could there have been someone from another angle?

Could have been another person from another cell that was able to...

I mean, there's a million different reasons as to why this could occur.

But,

you know, him starting from a kneeling position, which is what they say happened.

And him hanging himself with his sheet from the top bunk, I will say didn't look likely

when seeing it acted out did not seem like it's what happened.

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Justin Haskins is joining us.

He's with the Heartland Foundation, and they have just done a new extensive survey on likely voters about free speech, socialism, Sanders, and Warren.

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We have those exclusive results of this poll.

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Hello, Justin.

Hi, Glenn.

How are you doing?

I'm, you know, I'm doing pretty good.

I'm doing pretty good.

You're the editorial director of the Heartland Institute, which which I absolutely love.

You guys have done

so much to fight

many things, but

lately you're really focusing on the fight against socialism.

You just did a new Rasmussen

study on likely voters.

Can you take us through this?

Yeah, absolutely.

So it was a poll conducted in middle of November, November 13th and 14th, 1,000 likely voters, and we asked them a variety of questions

Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren, some questions about socialism, and then some questions about free speech.

And I think that the most important, interesting question was about free speech, free speech rights.

It was, should federal or state governments ban speech that a majority of Americans believes to be offensive, including speech considered to be racist or sexist.

That's the exact wording that we gave

to the respondents.

And the results were a quarter of likely voters said yes, we should ban speech.

Governments should ban that speech.

And among varying groups based on age, 37% of younger people said yes to that question.

That was the highest of any demographic based on age.

And 42% of government employees, which this might be the most interesting part of the survey, said yes to that question.

So 42% of

government employees that we surveyed said that we should ban speech that a majority of people think is offensive.

That makes total sense to me.

It makes sense to you?

It makes absolute sense to me, especially when you think of this as a national survey, right?

We're not polling people who are in Washington, D.C.

So we're polling government workers across the country.

Well, who are most government workers in most parts of the country?

Well, they're teachers.

And I think that that's why you're seeing this very far-left view of free speech.

But it's it's incredibly disturbing when you when you realize that most of these people are probably your local government workers.

You're probably mostly public school teachers.

So let me go through some of this because I think it's odd.

Which is better, a free market economic system or socialism?

69%, which is

good for today, I guess, 69% said a free market economic system.

12% said socialism.

And 18% said not sure.

Okay.

That's right.

Would you vote for a presidential candidate who identifies him or herself as a socialist?

26%

said yes.

There's only 12% that would identify as a socialist.

26% said yes.

50% said no.

24% said not sure.

Not where I'd like it, but not horrible, if you will.

Do you have favorable, somewhat favorable, somewhat unfavorable, or very unfavorable impressions of Bernie Sanders?

18% very favorable.

29% somewhat favorable, 17 somewhat unfavorable, 31 very unfavorable, and 5 not sure.

What do any of these numbers taken together begin to tell you?

Anything?

Yeah, I think that the most important thing in the numbers that you just mentioned is that really a large percentage of Americans, even people who identified as Democrats, in our crosstabs, we found that it's basically one in three Democrats Democrats said that they do not, they would not vote for a socialist candidate.

I don't know if Donald Trump is listening, but this might be helpful information in 2020 because if you can classify people as a socialist,

if you can show Americans that what Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren and other people are proposing out there is socialist, is socialist policies, then I think most Americans are going to reject it.

One of the really interesting things that we found in the data is that 20%,

about 20% of both Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warner, Elizabeth Warner's own supporters said that they would not vote for a socialist candidate.

We're talking about

the people who had the highest favorability view of Bernie Sanders said that they would not vote for a socialist candidate for president.

Well, that's really interesting.

Do they not realize that Bernie Sanders is a socialist?

I mean, do they not know that that's who they're, that they're supporting?

I mean, I think that that tells you that a lot of people are very confused about what they're hearing from people like Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren.

Do you support legislation that would ban private ownership of assault rifles?

49% said yes, 43% said no, and only 8% are not sure.

Yeah, very, very disturbing,

I think.

I think that

not just the assault rifle question, but also the question that we asked about the Second Amendment.

Do you support repealing the Second Amendment, which currently guarantees America's right to bear arms?

24% said yes.

10% said not sure.

66% said no.

That's right.

And a third of 18 to 39-year-olds,

a third, 33% said that they would support banning the Second Amendment.

So it's 24% overall of all likely voters, but 33% of younger people.

So over time, this is going to get, it's only going to become a bigger problem.

And about a third, by the way, of Democrats said that they support repealing the Second Amendment.

So I think we have a lot of work to do, Glenn, teaching people about the importance of the Second Amendment and what it really means.

Well, what's frightening is this.

This is showing the deterioration of the Bill of Rights, the First Amendment and the Second Amendment.

You lose those, you lose everything else.

Yeah, without question.

And I think it goes all the way back to what we talked about earlier in the conversation when we were saying that there's such a high support for socialism amongst government workers.

And most of those government workers are teachers.

What are they teaching our kids?

They're teaching our kids that the Second Amendment is awful and that it should be repealed.

They're teaching our kids that hate speech, that things that are considered to be offensive speech should not be allowed in a free society.

They are teaching our kids to reject the Constitution, to reject the Bill of Rights, to reject individual liberty.

And that's why I think you're seeing younger people support these socialist policies at a much higher rate than you're seeing older people.

So I just want to give, I just want to restate these.

46% of those who identified as working for the government, you say that's mainly teachers, support legislation that would ban private ownership of assault rifles.

Only 43% of independents and 32% of Republicans say they support legislation that would ban private ownership of assault-style rifles.

32% of Republicans would?

Well, you got to remember that

I think that that's pretty accurate.

These are likely voters.

I think that that's a reflection of what's been going on with the media and the fact that media has been banging this drum for a very long time and that most people still don't really understand what assault rifles are, support amongst Republicans for repealing the Second Amendment was pretty low.

So I think that's a positive.

But I think that people don't understand what socialism is.

I don't think they understand what assault rifles are.

I don't think that they understand

what rights are.

Right.

I think fundamentally they do not understand the importance of freedom.

I think that's what this shows predominantly.

And that's where we need to focus our attention.

And I think it's worse with younger people than with older people.

It's worse with Democrats than with Republicans.

It's even worse with Bernie Sanders supporters and Elizabeth Warren supporters, but it's not good all across the board.

We have to start with foundational core principles and work our way up from there.

How do you do that, Justin?

I mean, I know this is what you do for a living at the Heartland Institute.

This is what you do for a living.

How do you do that?

How do we turn this around when

it is institutionalized in our educational system from birth to graduation?

Right.

So the two things, I think, the two most important ways to battle these problems, to fight against socialism.

Number one, you absolutely, every single parent, every single grandparent, aunt, uncle, friend, family member who's concerned about this issue needs to talk to younger people about these issues.

They need to teach kids while they're in the school system, before they get into the public school system, basic core concepts about individual rights and respecting other people's rights.

That's number one.

We have to take that seriously.

Number two,

we need to break the stranglehold that the government has on public education.

And the only way to do that is with school choice.

There are universal school choice ideas that have been out there for a very long time, universal education savings accounts programs, et cetera.

We don't have them even in the most most conservative states.

Why don't we have that in states like Texas and Alabama and places where Republicans have been in charge for a long time?

We don't have it there either.

It is shocking to me how bad Texas is.

You know, I lived here in the 80s, and Texas was a different place in the 80s compared to what it is now.

It is drifted far.

Texas, you know, has very powerful unions and teachers.

You know, the teachers federation here is very, very strong.

They have taken over our schools, and nobody wants to do anything about it, at least in the upper levels.

You're right.

And it's not just in Texas.

It's all across the country.

The most conservative states in the country, the teachers' unions, are still the most powerful political organization at the state level in many cases, but especially at the local level.

I mean, at the local level, teachers dominate virtually every election.

They decide who is going to be put in control of school boards and local elections for city council and things like that.

It's mostly decided by teachers.

And teachers are being taught at far-left teachers' colleges across the country where they're being indoctrinated with the idea that they need to be indoctrinating other people about socialism.

And so it's this endless cycle, this drift in conservative states and in liberal states and in moderate states, this drift towards socialism because foundationally, the people who are teaching younger people are all on the left side of the political spectrum.

And the only way to get rid of that is to have school choice so that parents can take their kids out of those schools and put them in schools that embrace the values that they believe in.

But right now, unless you can afford a private school or unless you can afford to homeschool your child, you don't have that option.

And so conservatives need to make it clear that if no Republican should be supported, no no conservative candidate should be supported, no Democrat, no political candidate should be supported unless they embrace school choice.

Well, thank you for doing the survey and

breaking that survey here.

And hopefully it will be picked up because I think so many people

have no idea how bad things are really, truly getting in America.

And something better wake them up pretty soon.

Justin, thank you so much.

Thanks, Thanks, Glenn.

You bet.

Bye-bye.

By the way, Justin is a guy who has helped write the next book called Arguing with Socialists.

It comes out after the first of the year.

I think it comes out right before the Super Tuesday, does it not?

Arguing Against Socialists, it's a great, great book, you know, cut from the cloth of the arguing with idiots and

an inconvenient book.

You're going to love it, and it makes a great gift for anyone

who is being indoctrinated in school.

They may not like it so much, but they'll read if they just open it.

If they'll just open it, all of the facts are in the, I mean, I think this is the most footnotes we have of any book we've ever written.

And it's all well documented, and it's hard to argue.

Hard to argue if they'll just open it.

Good luck with that, but buy it for them anyway.

And maybe one day they'll be stuck in an elevator with it and they'll be forced to read it.

Yeah, well, I mean, here's the thing: what's going to happen is you're going to have it, you're going to read it, and then when they're sitting around and they're talking to you, you're going to know what their argument is and you're going to be able to argue it yourself.

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Is anybody else,

is anybody else getting to the point to where you're like,

I feel like

Gene Wilder at the end of the producers, no way out, no way out.

There is a way out.

There is a way out.

We just have to choose to do it.

And

we have to get back to where we were.

I think we were so beaten up with the Tea Party because the Tea Party was about

elections.

And, you know, the 9-12 project was not about elections.

It was about education.

It was about principles and values.

And those never go out of style.

And those are the things that we have to get back to teaching and to living in our own life.

Yeah, I

agree that that would be an ideal solution.

I mean,

I feel like it gets tougher and tougher, particularly right now with the way the media covers Trump, to think any

further along than whatever today's news cycle item is.

but don't you see that the news the news cycle is uh

getting less and less credible yeah i mean people are not watching it as much as they used to they're not listening to it as much I mean we pay in

media in talk radio we pay more attention to the

mainstream media than I think the average person does the average person doesn't they'll get it from Facebook and everything else they're not getting it you know from all of these shows that CNN, nobody's watching CNN.

Yeah, I mean, that coverage, though, does inform all the other coverage.

And that does.

It trickles down.

It's not just what CNN reports, it's that 500 other sources report on what CNN reports.

Correct.

So it does get the influence is significant.

Well,

the only problem on fixing this, and until we solve this, we're not going to be able to solve anything.

There is no investigative journalist news arm that is credible that the conservatives can all feast off of.

You know, like, for instance, we do investigative, you know, reporting on Ukraine.

Well,

let me just, let me flip this around.

You know,

Ben Shapiro does something.

We're so busy that we don't necessarily see Ben Shapiro.

But if Ben Shapiro, or if there was a news source that Ben was

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Right now, we can only respond to their narrative because they're the only ones producing the news.

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We need a conservative news that's credible, that is big, robust, and can compete, has the money to be able to compete.

Because if we're all going off of CNN, we're all going to be talking about what they want us to talk about.

You're right.

They're setting the agenda.

Right.

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Right.

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this is going to be extremely unpopular and will be taken out of context.

So just know here is the whole context.

I completely understand in Germany why they did that.

I mean, at the time,

they banned the Nazi Party.

And, you know, at the time, I can't imagine, you know, if you just fought that war and you got out of a concentration camp and somebody's like, yeah, well, my neighbor's going to a Nazi rally.

You'd be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait, what?

Wait, that's still happening?

It's still happening.

Didn't we just defeat that?

I mean, it's, it,

so I don't know what I would have done in Germany.

However, the idea that the Italian police are going to shut down these people.

Now, if it's violent, yes.

And strangely, Nazis usually are.

But the idea of shutting down a party or shutting down speech really bothers me.

You know, it seems foreign is the way I would put it.

Yes.

You know, it seems like a weird cultural thing that would happen in Europe, but couldn't happen here because we have something called a First Amendment.

And no matter how bad the ideas are from a, I mean, there have been.

I mean, the American Nazi Party is, it was a

1930s.

It was huge.

Huge.

It supported FDR.

Even way after the war.

I mean, it was still active in the United States.

They had a presidential candidate who would run all the time, eventually was assassinated, shockingly, by another Nazi.

But

that was something that's real.

And to this day, I mean, you know, we all know, people in this audience at least know that communists have killed a lot more people than Nazis have.

And we have an American Communist Party, too.

We have a Socialist Workers' Party.

We have a bunch of parties that represent communism.

I have a real problem with the communist witch hunt of the 1950s.

They didn't have a right to go in and...

Yeah, that's not American.

It's not American to say that specific ideas should be banned.

We dismiss them.

We mock them.

We win against them.

But we don't ban political parties.

Obviously, there are exceptions at the extremes when you're talking about, like, if a party is advocating the murder of the guy down the street, well, that's a totally different law.

That would be violent.

Right.

But, I mean, an idea, like, up until including the idea that, hey,

you know, Bob over there is in the Nazi party.

He thinks he's superior to Jews.

Is that allowed?

Yeah, he can say that.

Yeah.

He can say it.

He can form an entire party around how he's better than Jews.

And he can try to change the laws.

I will fight every day to make sure that he does not succeed.

And he won't succeed in this country because

that's not what this country was built on.

Here, here's a real-life example.

How can you be against white supremacy in the United States of America and the idea of living in a supremac state based on race and class, but then support a state like Israel that is built on supremacy?

So this is Linda Sarsour

that is saying that Jews think they are supreme to everyone else.

No.

No,

that's not what they think.

No.

That's not what they think.

And does she have a right to say that?

Yes.

Do I have a right to disagree with her?

Vehemently?

Yes.

Do I have a right to say she should go to jail for that?

No.

No one has that right.

Because once you take that

right from her, it can be taken from you.

And that's not even the...

That's a good way to personalize it, but it's not the reason you do it.

You don't do it because it could be taken away from you.

Whether you think that can happen or not, that's a good way of personalizing it so you realize the impact of it.

But in reality, if their ideas are terrible, they're still allowed to be said.

We say this, a lot of people make this point all the time with abortion, where they'll say,

people on the right will say, look, you're aborting all these kids.

You could have aborted the next Einstein.

You could have aborted the next scientist or world leader.

That's absolutely true.

You also could have aborted a bunch of people who suck, who are the people that get in your way at McDonald's and the drive-thru and take too long.

And the person who screws up your order at the window.

Right, exactly.

That's the point.

Whether they're the next world leader or the next Einstein, it doesn't matter.

They get a right to live.

They get a chance to live their lives.

That's really, really important.

And a lot of times we kind of personalize it and say, well, if we lose, if they lose their right to speak, well, we might lose our right to speak.

Well, whether we do or not is not the issue.

It is their right to say dumb things.

So you know what?

You know what happened is there was this perversion, I think, of this American

idea that you don't talk religion in politics.

Yeah.

And you didn't do that because polite company, you just don't talk about that stuff.

But that didn't come from

anything other than, I mean, I got the lectures when I was a kid.

I'm sure you did too.

Your parents would talk to you and say, they have a right.

They have a right to believe that.

You can think that they're wrong all you want.

But you don't tell them what to think.

You don't tell them, unless they're breaking the law and hurting other people,

you don't tell them what to think or do.

It's none of your business.

I mean, you can make an argument.

You can try to persuade them.

Yeah.

But you certainly don't use the power of the state to stop them from doing something that's legal and not threatening someone else.

Right.

You know, you can, I mean, look, faith is something that makes arguments and judgments all the time about people's behavior.

There's nothing wrong with judging other people's behavior.

You can say all the time, you think that their behavior is wrong.

Here's why I think it's wrong.

Here's what I think you should do.

But to legislate the morality is not right.

You can't.

I agree with that.

And I think there's some disagreement even on the right at this point on this.

And it goes not only to sort of moral causes, but also economic ones, where there's this idea.

Josh Hammer put this really well

because this dividing line on the right.

He phrased it this way.

I think this is a great way of thinking about it.

And I have a really clear answer to this one, but I do think that this is the divide on the right as it stands today.

He says, the fundamental dividing question right now for those of us on the political right, is individual liberty worth pursuing as an intrinsically just end,

or is it merely a means sometimes worth pursuing toward a distinct political end like justice or human suffering or whatever?

It's a just end.

It's a just end in and of itself to me.

That is completely black and white.

There is no justice.

not.

There is no justice if you shut people's thought and speech down.

There's no justice.

Yeah.

And

even if the culture turns against the things that you believe are right,

even if you're losing those battles,

you fight harder, you try to win.

But you don't bring the state in to put your values on the entire society.

And we're seeing that, I think, economically.

I mean, Tucker Carlson makes this point.

I think, you know, he's a smart guy and he makes this point well.

Orin Cass wrote an entire book about it.

But it's using the power of the government to go towards just

specific economic

goals that the right is friendly with.

I mean, John McCain did a lot of this.

You see this with people like Mike Huckabee.

where he will take the power of his office as governor.

And, you know what, I believe gluttony is wrong and people are too fat and we should change the way people eat.

Bloomberg is a great example of it.

Although sometimes his ends are liberal.

Sometimes they are.

They were conservative, but he uses the state to push those things through.

And when it comes, there are exceptions and there's nuance throughout this entire argument.

But to me, as a fundamental question, the freedom

and liberty is the end.

That's what we're targeting.

This is really so very simple.

I don't know why there's a disagreement on it if you believe in the Declaration of Independence.

The Declaration of Independence is our mission statement.

It was the letter to the king.

Look, you don't understand us.

You don't even know who we are.

We think differently here.

And we believe that all men are created equal and endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

And that the government is instituted among men to protect those rights.

That's it.

There's nothing in the Declaration of Independence that says, and because of that, we're going to redistribute the wealth or we're going to make things more fair as a government.

No.

And pursuit of happiness is really key here, too.

Pursuit.

It doesn't mean that we use the government to guarantee it because we think these things are wonderful.

Right.

You know,

it's the pursuit.

You have the freedom to be able to pursue what you believe will make you happy.

And you know what?

You might fall flat on your face over and over again and never achieve it.

So, period.

So anyone who says, well, we've got a social engineer, we have to do this, we have to do that, that is not the government's role.

The mission statement, the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence was saying,

this is what it looks like when we get there.

This is the finished product.

A place where all men know that they are equal.

They're created equal.

And they can pursue that happiness any way they want.

And the government's role is to protect that individual from doing what they feel is right as long as they're not killing people and

stealing.

That's it.

That's what we're supposed to be doing.

We believe as Americans, or at least we used to, we believe in the power of the individual.

And if you want to empower individuals, you're going to have to live with the fact they're going to make choices that you're not going to like.

You're a parent.

When you're a parent, you know at some point you've got to let it go.

You've done everything you can.

They're going to make decisions that you don't agree with.

Some of them might work out to your surprise.

Some of them are going to end exactly the way you thought that they would end.

But you don't tell your children exactly what to do or you drive a wedge between you and them.

You'll destroy your relationship.

We are looking at our government as a parent and telling the parent to get involved in all of these adults' lives and tell them what's right or wrong.

It automatically drives a wedge between people

and between the government.

That's not who we are.

That's not what this system was meant to be.

You want that system?

Design a new system.

But that's not what this one is.

Yeah.

I agree with you.

I mean, and that's the part that bothers me.

I mean, the second part of this statement, which is, is individual liberty merely an a means sometimes worth pursuing toward a distinct political end?

Is the way the left thinks about the world?

Yes.

The left uses individual liberty when they want abortion.

It's a nice little trick to get you, they want abortion.

So that one thing they say individual liberty is really important.

Can't get in the way of between a woman and her doctor.

It's her body, her choice.

It's all individual liberty because it's not a principle.

It's just a means to get to whatever they want today.

And so if we go down that road, we're them.

We are them.

It is an intrinsically just end to pursue individual liberty, not the other way around.

And

in the midst of the political arguments, we do lose that, I think, sometimes.

And I think that's dangerous.

We have to remember, you know, we're different.

from the left, not just because we want slightly different policies, because what happens is you get the Bloomberg thing, where Bloomberg has been a Republican and a Democrat.

I don't know that he's changed positions on anything.

No.

He's just going down whatever road serves him at whatever time.

And he's a big-time progressive.

And so he's able to use the power of the state to whatever ends he wants.

We need to be different.

I don't want to be Michael Bloomberg.

I don't want to be anything like Michael Bloomberg.

I don't want him anywhere near me, the party I belong to,

the principles that I have.

And it is largely soda-based, my opposition.

Sure.

But it's true.

I don't want to be anywhere near the guy.

Sure, right.

Get away from my soda, man.

Anyway, everything of mine.

Michael Bloomberg, I lived in New York.

I lived in his city.

And get out of my house, get out of my bedroom, get off of my phone, get out of my car, get off my streets.

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See, I don't think there's enough people, and it's getting harder and harder every day because you're counting clicks, you're counting likes

as popularity, as success.

And so

I don't know if there is

the understanding that pursuit of happiness does not mean success.

You know, America has been made into a land of stuff and a land of plenty.

Whoever has the most wins and is happy.

You look at people in Hollywood and everything else, and I'm not saying you, but you know, most of the people will look at that and say, you know, they're happy.

No, they're not.

They're miserable.

They're miserable.

Do you think Greta Thurnberg is happy?

She's miserable.

She's physically incapable of smiling.

Oh my gosh.

How would you even know?

Do you want to live that way?

Barbara Streisand.

I don't care how much money or fame.

I don't want to live like her.

And so it's not about success.

It's about the pursuit of happiness.

What makes you happy?

This bothered me so much when we first had children, and Tanya was a born mother.

She was just born to be the best mom ever.

And

she's done it.

And that's pursuing her happiness.

But the world was...

doing everything they could to convince her that you're a stay-at-home mom, you're worthless.

Well, no,

it might not be what that person wants to be, but that's what she wants to be.

Why do you have to force your view on her?

She's not going to force it on you.

Pursue your happiness.

And happiness,

believe me, does not come with money and success.

You can rent it, but it's a very short term.

Very short term.

Happiness comes from doing what you feel is right.

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