Madness Or Miracles | Guests: Bill Whittle, Jamie Kilstein & David Steinberg | 7/18/19

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So, I have I have been following something for two reasons.

One is

personal, and the other is because I am a

freak about new technology.

I am fascinated by new technology and the brave new world.

It is both terrifying and

exhilarating.

Man will be either more free than he has ever been at any time in human history,

or, I used to say, the biggest slave in human history, but he may wipe himself out.

I've been fascinated by what is called AI, AGI, and ASI.

AI we already have, artificial intelligence.

We already have it.

AGI is artificial general intelligence.

We are a general intelligence

being.

We have general intelligence about a lot of different things.

Artificial intelligence is really only one thing.

So

Watson can play, is it?

Big Blue can play chess.

Watson can do trivia on Jeopardy.

I think that's the way they work.

They can't do the opposite.

So if it's Watson that can answer all of the trivia questions, it cannot also play chess.

It's AI, artificial intelligence on chess or artificial intelligence on trivia.

Artificial general intelligence will be able to do both and many other things as well, just like you can, except they master it.

They'll be the best at it.

When that happens, you start to approach what's called the singularity, which is a time when the machine, you won't be able to tell the machine from a man.

You will cross a Rubicon of what is life.

And

they don't know how long it will take to go from AGI to ASI.

and ASI is super intelligence we will not be we will be flies in comparison to ASI

so this is the thing that Bill Gates has warned about Stephen Hawking has warned about Elon Musk is warning about is this AGI ASI conundrum that if we hit it and we hit the point of singularity

We don't know if it's going to be benevolent.

Now, the other reason why I have been fascinated by this is because I have a daughter who was born with cerebral palsy.

On the flip side of AGI and ASI

is miracles, miracles,

things that you never would think are possible.

For instance, you want to learn French?

Okay, just download it into your brain.

You want to repair the

actual brain pathways

in your head after a stroke?

Not a problem.

We'll just insert

some sort of electrode into your head and it will repair the brain.

It will just build bridges to repair that pathway so you won't be affected.

I mean, the things that are on the horizon are amazing.

Most people have said this can't be done.

My daughter has been going through about a year of testing to see if she can have brain surgery because she had several strokes when she was born and she

has both sides of her brain affected.

But now she is having epileptic seizures.

She's been having them for, she had them when she was a kid and then when she turned about 18, she started having them again and she's, you know, now 30.

And it has totally disrupted her life.

And she can't drive.

She can't do a lot of things because you never know if she's going to have a seizure.

And they're hard to watch.

So we've been looking into this technology where they can actually implant electrodes into your brain.

She's tried every kind of medicine.

It doesn't work.

But

it is...

amazing what modern medicine can do and she's at the final testing point now to find out if they can actually implant these, like these, these little, and I'm sorry for anybody who actually knows, you know, all the scientific, you know, jargon around this for butchering this so badly, but they can put like little

probes, little bars, little, little, little

strands into your head and thread that through all your capillaries and thread that all into exactly the right place.

They map the brain in 3D digital, and then they have to put it right in the right place, and then that sends out a signal, and

it maps the brain wave, if you will.

And when it starts to see the tremors start,

it sends out, like a pacemaker, a signal to stop that and to regulate it.

It's amazing.

Well, Elon Musk

has just announced something that makes that look like child's play.

He is, he, he just announced

with neuroscientists at his side,

something that is called Neurolink.

Now, he says at the beginning of

his talk that

he's doing this because he believes, and so does DARPA, that no one is working on benevolent AI.

They're all just trying to get to AGI first.

Because whoever gets to AGI first is going to rule the world.

But he has been warning and others have been warning and DARPA has been warning and working on benevolent AGI.

We need to make sure that whatever it is we're creating doesn't look at us like rodents and decides to exterminate us.

We won't be able to understand it because it will be thinking so fast.

So, what he's been trying to do is, how do we

bond

with AGI?

How do we fuse?

This is transhumanism.

It's another thing that

Stephen Hawking warned about and was misunderstood by the end of his life, where he said there won't be any Homo sapiens left by 2050.

What he was talking about is humans as we know it will be over because we will be so augmented with technology that you you won't be able to survive if you're just a natural human.

So, he introduces the Neurolink.

And again, his goal is

to be able to interface with AI

so we are not left behind.

But what the first phase is,

is an upgrade of what my daughter has been going through.

And what he introduced was 10,000 times

better

than the latest technology.

10,000 times.

He says that it will be ready for humans in a year.

And it is, it's, what's amazing is, it's like a sewing machine.

It has to be done by a robot because the probes are the size of a human hair.

And they have to be threaded in between everything and put exactly into the right place of the brain.

And he has built this machine that is a robotic, looks like a robotic sewing machine.

And it implants these.

But so you know,

this surgery is a really delicate thing to do today.

He believes, and he says that this machine will do it within a year, and he showed the machine,

it will be like LASIK surgery.

You'll be able to go in and and have these implants put into your head in an hour and then walk out.

Now that's phase one.

Phase two is to help people walk, remember, do different things that for some reason, whether it's a stroke or Alzheimer's or whatever,

it will repair the brain.

It will not repair the brain.

It will just be the bridge.

For instance, it will record.

So if you're driving to work every day, you see certain things, and that helps you remember where you are.

So, it will record all of those things that you're seeing.

And when you are lost and you can't figure out, it automatically pushes those things out.

Now, this is remarkable.

You can't move your arm, you can't move your leg, it will push you and it will remap the brain for anything that is broken.

Phase three,

which he says is around the corner,

phase three is a neural link.

You want to learn how to speak Russian?

Download it.

And you don't have to go get chips or anything else.

You will think it.

And Google Translate or whatever the translate system is that's online.

will be a part of you.

So you'll be able to understand, you'll be able to read, you'll be able to speak.

You want to learn something, it will just be downloaded into you.

More importantly, it will record all of the things that you have done.

It will map your brain and it will be a two-way street.

So you want to send messages, you want to whatever.

you will be able to think it and it will be done because you will be part of the internet.

Now the real problem with this is

who's controlling this

because you won't be able to compete.

For instance, let's say we go to socialized medicine.

This technology will continue, but if we have socialized medicine, this, I guarantee you, will only be done by the rich.

If it's only been done by the rich at the very beginning,

are those people that are uplinked, you're not going to be able to compete with them.

What do they do with this until all of us get it?

And if all of us get it, who's controlling it?

And can they just shut you off?

They don't like your, you're becoming dangerous.

You are saying the wrong things.

So we're going to deperson you.

We're already seeing this happen with tech now.

They're building ghettos.

But if everyone is super, super, super smart

and they can just cut you off from that and turn your system off, and you become a monkey.

What

is coming our way?

Both miracles

and madness.

I believe in miracles.

I believe the best is in front of us,

but not if we continue to act like monkeys.

You can read all about this.

Elon Musk tested his brain microchip on monkeys.

It enabled one to control a computer with its mind.

We're already seeing this.

You'll see people who say this is doomed to fail.

I don't believe they're accurate, and neither did Stephen Hawking, neither does Bill Gates, neither does Elon Musk, and a lot of others.

This has been on the horizon for a while, and this is what people are doing now

because they truly believe this is the future.

Madness or miracles.

I have a couple of other updates for you on technology that I want to get out of the way while we're here, but I'll do that in one minute.

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I want you to know this is definitely not the mark of the beast.

More than 4,000 people in Sweden have had the chips about the size of a grain of rice inserted into their hands.

I believe that's exactly where the Bible says.

It's either in your hand or your forehead.

So they about 4,000 people have inserted this into their hands with pioneers predicting millions will soon join them or else.

It's like a glorified smartwatch.

It helps the Swedes monitor their health and replace key cards, allow them to enter office buildings.

That's so convenient.

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Wow.

Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's new technology that no one ever predicted before.

Well,

this is something that's never been written about.

Well, it's never been discussed before.

It's been a little bit.

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It's definitely not the mark of the beast.

Yeah.

This is crazy.

So the other thing that is happening is, what is it, Libra?

Yeah,

it's not really a cryptocurrency, but no, it's not.

The kind of cryptocurrency that Facebook is talking about.

Okay, so somebody is going to do this.

Now, imagine if you have Libra and Facebook will not say one way or another what they're planning on doing about this.

Let's say you have Libra, okay, and Libra becomes the currency.

Let's say it's especially like on Amazon.

Okay, and in the future, we're all going to be buying everything probably from something like Amazon, if not Amazon.

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We have Bill Whittle on to talk a little bit about what we saw, the Apollo 11 documentary.

It is an amazing documentary.

The, what is it, the 50th anniversary

is this Saturday.

And he's done this great documentary on just the last, I think, 30 seconds of

man going to the moon right before they land.

It was harrowing.

And we'll talk to him about that.

And, of course, the patriarchy and the white patriarchy, to be specific, how could we possibly celebrate something that was done mainly by white men?

Good question.

A really good question.

That is the question being asked.

We'll get into that in just a second.

Also, I wanted to talk to you.

Pat, I heard you on your podcast today talking about Peter Thiel and saying Google needs to be investigated for treason.

It's pretty chilling.

It's pretty chilling.

If you do we do we have that a clip?

Can we yeah, okay, so listen to this.

He's being I think this is

Peter Thiel on Tucker Carlson.

And then the weird weird fact that's indisputable is that Google is working with Communist China, but not with the U.S.

military, on its breakthrough AI technology.

Well, that's the question.

I think one explanation is they figure they have to because if they don't give it to them through the front door, it'll get stolen through the back door.

So first answer is they have to.

And then I think, of course, there's probably a broad base of Google employees that are ideologically super left-wing, sort of woke, and think that China is better than the U.S.

or that the U.S.

is worse than China.

It's always more anti-American than anything.

But this is by definition a threat to American national security, as you point out.

So if Sundar Pachai was sitting right here, what would you say to him?

Well, I would say

answer my three questions.

How many foreign intelligence agencies have infiltrated Google?

Have the Chinese in particular infiltrated?

And

why are you working with Communist China and not the U.S.?

That's what we're the reason to do.

Why do you think

the questions you raise, and this is not in any way to minimize their importance, are kind of obvious questions.

Why hasn't the U.S.

government ascertained the answers?

Well,

it's possible that there are people in the U.S.

government looking into it, and they haven't told us.

But yeah, I think the FBI and CIA would be the natural places to look into it.

The FBI would look at it from the domestic side.

The CIA would look at it from the outside end, and we would try to look at seeing from the outside there are people, you know, controlling people inside Google.

I'd like to interview Peter Thiel.

In fact, put him on the list, see if we can get an interview with him.

I'd like to interview him because he's also smart enough to know, and I wonder why he's left this one out.

Google, when Google says, did you hear what he said they are sharing and what they are collaborating on?

Their AI technology.

The AI technology, the reason why he's called this treasonous is because whoever gets AGI first will rule the world.

Okay.

But did he, so they're working on

their sharing their AI technology Well Google has another reason for doing it is as everybody thinks Google is so great because they give me the answers for free

No, they are mapping the way humans think.

That's why this is the largest

Intel gathering on humans in all of human history.

And what they're doing is they're they're the reason why that algorithm is so good, so much better, is they have all of these people, billions of people on Earth, feeding it information.

So the algorithm gets better and better because it's thinking more and more like a human.

And so it can predict you.

So China is looking at this and saying, how many billions of people do they have?

I want them putting all of that input into us so we can map more humans and the way humans think.

They're just looking at this as I need that because it will turbo

us in AI.

But at the same time, he's right.

These people do believe that China is better than America.

They do believe that.

They don't believe that

we're good, that we have good intent.

I mean, I cannot believe the company that started with, you know, don't be evil strangely decides to change that as they go to work with China.

It's crazy.

It's,

you know,

humans, in the first place, us developing AI technology like this is a little bit like sheep developing wolves because you're just going to come back to eat us.

It really is.

It really is.

What are you doing?

We're creating our own destruction, potentially.

There's a story I just read this morning that was the headline.

We're creating

our own destruction.

I can't remember exactly what it was.

It was almost what you just said.

There's two other things, two other stories that are out today.

In England, the BBC was asking, could algorithms help prevent hate crimes and murders?

Well, sure they could.

Wouldn't that be great?

Well, this whole story is talking about it's a turning point, you know, from a data perspective that we now have enough data to where we can predict hate crimes.

Wow.

There's another story.

Artificial intelligence is becoming transformative technology, impacting many aspects of our lives through augmentation of processes and

tasks that normally require human intelligence, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

However, AI technology is now ready to solve some of the most complex and

pressing business problems, and law enforcement has now turned to AI as a tool to execute on the multifaceted mission of modern-day policing.

However, for all the potential that AI possesses for law enforcement, we're still at the early stages of achieving a fully viable and legally permissible option to meet law enforcement needs.

They now believe that the truth meter, because of what we can do with eyes, will now be able to tell if people are telling the truth or not.

Isn't this great?

How close are we getting to minority report?

And tell me that we wouldn't adopt it.

I think we would.

We would.

I think we would.

We would.

But you were going to do it.

So you were thinking about it.

We're just making sure it doesn't happen.

Right.

Don't we want to live in a world where there's no murder?

Computer says 99.9997% that you were going to do this today.

Yeah.

We can't allow you to be out on the street because you will do it.

Yeah.

I mean, if it seems like you wouldn't go for that, but I mean, think about just the progress in DNA.

I did, I was doing something on the OJ trial a few months ago when that was going on and like there's some anniversary thing.

And it's like at that time, one of the big reasons OJ got off is because people didn't trust DNA.

They didn't know what it was.

It was like, you know, now DNA comes out on a 40-year-old cold case and we're all 100% sure the person did it.

And like, I believe the DNA science and everything.

I'm not, I'm not trying to, you know, be skeptical on that, but we have just completely gone along with that and we just assume it's real, right?

So, I mean, imagine a computer that's telling you the same thing about a future crime.

Right now, that seems completely ridiculous that you'd believe it.

But when it's right, you know, enough times, we're just going to step back and say, wow, yeah, that person is, Pat is going to murder that person.

But you know what?

It doesn't,

you're not even going to DNA because DNA is physical evidence that that person was there.

Okay, so there's physical evidence that links that person to a crime.

Yes, it's just something that the other person doesn't actually understand.

Correct.

We can't fact check the scientists on that is

that's the demon-haunted world that Carl Sagan talked about.

That you, if you don't understand the technology used, it's going to control you.

Yep.

Okay.

I think this is more akin, however, to Google.

Right now, we just do a Google search.

And

if you get it on Google and that's the answer, that's the answer.

You don't question it.

That's the answer.

It's settled science.

So they can,

and we know they're doing this.

They can arrange the answers any way that they want.

So they can push the answer that they, anything that's in contention, they can push what their favorite answer is to the top, knowing that 99% of the people are just going to go to that first one or the first five and say, okay, yeah, that's the answer.

So

this is the possibility.

you haven't you haven't done it so do you have free will

do we accept that you are going to do this because you've gotten to the point to where you're planning it but there is no redemption for you there's no last minute

i'm not i can't yeah

this is the argument of the guys that would show up with uh

on uh the uh the show what the heck chris uh chris uh hansen remember chris hansen's show?

The pedophile show?

Oh, yeah.

Where he'd like, you know, there'd be these guys and they'd be like chatting with these girls they think are underage.

They'd go and buy alcohol.

They'd show up at the house.

They'd walk in.

And then there's Chris Hansen with his cookies.

And he's like, hey, have an Oreo, by the way.

What kind of molestation are we going to do here today?

And it was all wonderful entertainment.

And I, gosh, why don't they bring that show back?

But beyond that, these guys all got into court and said, look, I was going down a bad road.

However, I was never going to actually do it.

I shouldn't even have gone there.

You're right.

But I was never going to pull the trigger.

And I committed no crime.

This is a person who's not underage.

Yeah.

Right.

This is a person.

And now when I got there, I was never going to do it.

I just was, I don't know, trying a fantasy out.

I mean, the cannibal cop guy, do you remember the story from I think a year or two ago?

You know, he legitimately fantasized about killing women and eating them.

However, he never took step one to actually actually do any of these things.

And when they looked into the details of what he,

you know, because there were some rumors initially that he had used police,

you know, computers to search for women that he actually knew, and all that wound up being thrown out.

It wasn't even true.

And the bottom line was, you know, he was a really creepy guy, but he never did any of those things.

Nor did he take a step to even try to do it and wound up getting completely dismissed.

The case is completely dismissed, but obviously his life is destroyed.

And so far, far, there's no log as being creepy.

Yeah, I agree.

And here's the thing.

For instance, let's take the Jesse Smollett.

Okay.

AI

could figure out that

he's going to create a bogus hate crime.

Well, that's not enough for me.

That's not enough for me.

However, I can, if AI

is

just

everywhere, okay, he's thinking about it.

He's talking to these guys.

They just went in, bought the rope.

Now they're going here and he's coming out.

Good.

Now have a police car there or somebody and see the actual transgression.

You know what I mean?

And get the transgression down.

If it is somebody is going to be killed, just have somebody there to stop it right at the last minute.

But where is that line?

Where is it?

They were going to go kill somebody.

They were going to take them up into the woods.

Well, do we have to be at the woods or do we get them you know on day number one of the car drive where is the line

yeah and where is where is

uh

uh human free will do we have free will see this is going to be the other thing is we're going to be fed so many different things through algorithms like they're doing now they'll be able to predict our purchases that they'll be able to send these things before we want them.

So are we, do we really want them or are we, it's the chicken and the egg.

Does man actually have free will in the coming years?

This is,

you know, but don't worry about that.

Let's just, let's just figure out if the president is a racist or not.

That's probably much more important.

Maybe we can know in advance now.

Yeah.

Just know.

I can look at him in the eyes.

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Oh, that doesn't sound like Google.

That sounds exactly like what Google is saying right now.

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Bill is the host of Apollo 11, What We Saw.

It's a new documentary that is out.

His website is billwiddle.com.

This is fascinating.

I watched the first episode or two,

and

it's all on the last,

I can't remember a minute or however many seconds.

And

what happened

as they were landing on the moon is

stunning, stunning.

Tomorrow I'm going to share the speech that was written for Nixon

because they thought that there was a chance that they would be stranded on the moon and they would never be able to get off.

And Michael Collins was

circling the moon thinking, I'm going to be going home alone.

It's an amazing story that we really have forgotten or didn't even think about at the time.

Bill Whittle is going to be joining us, and he's going to be talking about the white patriarchy that went to the moon.

So, a big deal.

So, white guys went to the moon just to show their dominance.

Is that what it is?

How come we haven't, how come there's been no women?

How come there's been no women of color on the moon?

Well, you know, when I'm hearing, I want, when I hear of a black astronaut, I want them to have a black voice.

You know what I mean?

And

it wouldn't be racist to say that if I said,

if you're going to be white and a white astronaut, you better be one with a white voice.

Okay?

Just want to make sure.

It's not problematic at all.

No, no, no, no.

It's not problematic at all.

I think you see where we're going here.

But we're going to tell you the truth about Apollo 11 with Bill Whittle when we come back next.

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When Kennedy said, we're going to send a man to the moon and bring him back again,

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And he said, we're going to do it in 10 years.

It was the biggest challenge perhaps the United States has ever faced.

Your cell phone, your cell phone has 10, what is it, 1,000 times the computing power than all of the computers used to send a man to the moon.

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Now, there's a movement now to just say this is once again the white patriarchy.

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So if you just hate white people and you think this is the white patriarchy, you should probably not listen to the next few minutes because we have Bill Whittle on.

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Bill Whittle

joins us now.

He is

he's done a documentary on Apollo 11

and he's done it on the Daily Wire's YouTube and it is really, really good.

Welcome to the program, Bill.

Good morning, Glenn.

How in the blazers are you?

I'm very good.

So tell me the story because this is already, I don't know if you've seen what they're saying now that this is the white patriarchy and everything else, and we're not supposed to celebrate the 50th anniversary of the moon landing, but it is a remarkable thing that happened 50 years ago.

I'm so glad you brought that up

because as you will know, if you ever saw the footage,

the kind of the

highlight of the moon landing was when Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin planted that giant foam we're number one finger in the

soil and started chanting USA, USA, we're number one.

Well, you will notice that they were wearing white suits, and while their hats weren't pointed, they were still white.

Here's why I want to bring that up.

What they said when they got off the ladder and they went to the plaque

on the leg of the lamb, they read a plaque that's still there.

It'll be there forever.

And here's what it said: it said, Here, men from planet Earth first set foot upon the moon, July 1969.

We came in peace for all mankind.

Now, if that is not the most gracious, generous,

deeply, deeply humble and

kind of magnificent thing to say.

Bill, they use the word man twice.

Oh, well, there you go, I guess.

They didn't say him,

they didn't say him, her, or they, them.

And that's the real issue here.

Bill, tell me, because I think this is really fascinating, that

the world as they watched, more people saw this than anything else.

We watched it simultaneously all around the world in every country.

And

what's amazing about the way this was done is

the rest of the world did not look at this as an American thing.

They looked at it as humans actually being able to pull this off.

Precisely right.

600 million people watched this back in 1969, which means that every single person on the planet who had access to a television set watched at the same time.

If they didn't have a TV set, they'd go and look in through store windows where they were selling TV sets.

I was lucky enough to have watched the moon landing at age 10 from the Plaza Hotel, and there were tens of thousands of people in Central Park watching it on projection screens down there.

And you're absolutely right.

No one thought of it as an American moment.

Everybody thought of it as a human moment.

And

I think that's what makes some people just so

virulently opposed to this whole idea.

Because it wasn't just a great technological achievement.

It was a great technological achievement accomplished by the United States of America, but done

in such a generous and noble fashion that everybody on earth felt like this was their achievement.

Right.

It wasn't, it was never phrased as, I mean, there was the competition with the Soviet Union, and that is one of the reasons Kennedy knew we've got to get our crap together because we have to be in space.

But that was never

the spirit of it.

Not with any of the astronauts, not with the people of NASA.

They were just looking to do something that mankind had never done before.

Precisely right.

And on a later mission, when they left a plaque for the dead astronauts and cosmonauts who had died in the attempt, they included the Soviet cosmonauts on that plaque as well.

It was the only way for us to fight a war that we've been in for 50 years.

And by the way, we used all of our what otherwise would have been destructive methods of war.

We used missiles and rocket technology.

We had test pilots.

We had aircraft carriers recovering the vehicles.

We had our radar stations tracking them, which were originally designed, of course, to track incoming missiles.

All of this military hardware got channeled into the only place where we could actually compete with that hardware and not face the fact that each side had 25,000 nuclear weapons pointed at you.

And people,

you know, before the Soviet Union collapsed,

people don't understand that basically in the early to mid-60s, towards the late 60s, this entire thing was basically a sales pitch, Glenn.

You know, the world consisted of the free countries and then the first world, the second world world, the socialist nations, and then the huge, uncommitted third world.

We were basically in an ad campaign against the Soviets, trying to convince them that our system was better.

And I might point out that by the middle of 1958,

the Russians had launched the first two satellites for a combined weight of 1,300 pounds, and we'd launched the second two for a combined weight of 33 pounds.

So we're down 40 to 1 in 1958.

And when Kennedy became president, he understood that we could not, as a nation, survive with, forget the technological edge, we couldn't as a nation survive thinking that we were second best.

And so he proposed the hardest thing that's ever been done.

And frankly, Glenn, he got it all in the first seven words.

He said, we choose to go to the moon.

And that was the hard part, making the choice.

Everything after that was just an engineering challenge.

It's amazing to me, and I wonder whether this could happen again.

I've had several conversations with the historian Arthur Herman

about the concept in one of his books, which is the Freedom's Forge and How We Won World War II.

I'm not sure that we could do that today.

I mean, we have Google working with the Chinese and not with the Americans.

I'm not sure we could get everybody on board today like we did then.

Well, I have to tell you, up until about two years ago,

I mean, I was an Apollo kid.

I was an astronaut of five.

It was just paperwork that had to be completed.

Yeah, right.

But up until about two years ago, I thought, man, we really may have lost this edge.

And then when I saw

SpaceX land the Falcon Heavy boosters simultaneously, and I heard the cheer that went up from the SpaceX millennials, who were in large part the engineers for this, I realized they hadn't heard that sound in 49 years, and that was not since that night on July 20th, 1969.

Any company whose official recovery vehicle is named, Of Course I Still Love You, that company is going to Mars.

They're going to do things and have already done things that the Russians can't do, the Chinese can't do, the Europeans can't do, and NASA can't do

because that company

is under the vision of a person, one individual who decides, hey, you know what, it might be kind of fun to launch a Tesla into space, and we'll play David Bowie music, and we'll have Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy on the navigation screen.

Inconceivable that Boeing would do such a thing.

But they're having fun.

That's the difference.

This time they're having fun.

This is much more like what we're going through now is much more

like the

turn of the last century where the inventors were rebels.

Right.

And just it was the wild west of invention.

Yes.

If you think about all the names, some of the names I just mentioned,

Boeing, Grumman, Northrop, Hughes, Cessna, Lear, these are all named for individual people.

And what it meant was, was if you had a vision, you could take a risk because the company belonged to you.

And all the innovations came out of that, but even some of the big failures, like Hughes's Hercules, which everybody called the Spruce Goose.

He said, I want to build the largest airplane in the world.

Everybody said he was nuts.

But since it was his company, he could do it.

It turned out that that particular experiment failed, but somebody said it, absolutely got it perfectly once.

They said, if there had been an FAA in the golden age of aviation in the 1930s, then today we would be traveling from New York to Los Angeles in a propeller-powered airplane with wooden wings at 4,000 feet.

It would take 40 hours and cost $9,000.

And that's what happens when you let people compete against each other and drive for the top instead of for the bottom.

Is there still a, because

I'm about your age, Bill, and I remember I saw something

just the other day that is one of those like robotic hands that you just, you, you have a, a grip and just an extension, and it can get things off of shelves.

And I thought, oh my gosh, I haven't seen one of these since I was a kid, and that was a toy.

You know, it was like, that's the robotic hand from space, and that's what the, that's what they, you know, they're using on the moon.

And it's, now it's just a, you know, something that you use, you know, to get things off of a, of a higher shelf.

Is there that moment of imagination

like we used to have when we were kids with the moonshot?

It's funny you mentioned that because in the first episode of this, after I lay out what's going on with the actual landing, I say you can't understand how we landed on the moon unless you understand the idea of a cap gun.

Because in the 50s and 60s, nobody was talking about space yet.

Sputnik hadn't happened, so it was cowboys and Indians land here in America.

But here you are, and you want to sell a toy gun to kids, and what you want is you want that kid to be able to pull the trigger, have it go bang, and if you can have smoke come out of it even better so this isn't red dead redemption and we're not going to do it in the unreal 4 engine and we don't have particle effects and we're not going to have sound effects we have to physically make this thing work in the real world so they decided i know let's make a little red strip of paper and we'll put little blobs of actual gunpowder there and when you pull the trigger it'll pop that little thing of gunpowder and it'll go bang and and and there's a smoke now that's an actual engineering challenge and you you couldn't do that in a computer you had to make it work in the real world.

And that practicality was what allowed us to get to the moon.

That and the fact that you and I had fathers that would let their sons go out with rolls of caps and actual claw hammers and smash them all at the same time and make a big old noise.

And you lose an eye in the process.

Well, that's the price of going to the moon, Pelton.

That's right.

That's exactly right.

Bill, thank you for this great salute to Apollo 11 and to the Moonshot and reminding us

how good it felt.

How good it felt.

Thank you.

The thing I'm most proud about this story is there are so many backstage human elements, so many weird things.

Boz Aldrin said held communion on the moon.

The first fluid poured on another planet was wine.

There's so many interesting human stories behind the technology, and I'm just extremely honored to have had a chance to speak for those men of whom I think four remain who actually walked on the moon.

It's a tremendous honor for me.

Thanks, Bill.

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You can find this documentary that he has done.

It is fantastic.

It's Apollo 11, What We Saw.

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Saturday is the 50th anniversary of the moon launch, and I've got an incredible essay that we've been working on that I'm going to air tomorrow.

You don't want to miss some things that we just, I didn't, I just did not know until we started doing our research.

What an incredible moment this was.

Do you remember what were you just a space shuttle kid, Stu?

So, yeah.

That's all you really remember.

My memory of the space program, maybe this is why I'm not as much into it, is largely the Challenger.

So I...

That's what your first memory is of the space program?

I mean, I knew of the space program before that.

I was born in 1976.

So it was Challenger was 86.

Yeah, yeah.

So you were 10.

Yeah, it was 10.

It was like part, I remember that being a big thing to the level of like, I remember being at school.

I remember them wheeling out the televisions

into

the room so we could all watch the big space shuttle launch with the teacher on it.

Oh, that'll be fun.

Oh, my gosh.

Hey, it wasn't that fun.

That was not a.

What was that like in class?

Because I was too old for that.

What was that like being in class?

Yeah, and it was a teacher, right?

I mean, it was the Kristen McAuliffe thing.

So it was, I mean, I don't think we really understood it.

I mean, I remember thinking when, you know, again, I'm 10 years old.

I remember thinking when you, first of all, you wonder, is this what it's supposed to look like?

You know, like,

that didn't look right.

And then you kind of wonder, like, well, did they have parachutes or something?

Is there some way they could have?

I mean, I had no idea I'm 10 years old.

And then, of course, it just becomes that awkward thing that, you know, adults do where they just start bringing up other things that will distract you.

It's kind of what I remember about it.

I remember it quickly kind of going away and not really realizing until I got home how bad it really was.

Do you remember the

last thing spoken before

the explosion

boy i'll never forget it i'll never forget it it's amazing you're 10 years old and you didn't i mean i've watched it a bunch of times since and heard it but i i don't i off the top of my head don't remember it go with throttle up

go with throttle up

and then yeah that's right and then the rocket sort of like spread out and went like awkwardly sideways and like that doesn't that's not good yeah that's not good and that was such a big thing for schools because of the teacher connection you know this you know Kristen McAuliffe going into space the teachers were very like it was a big moment for teachers they had everyone all their kids and they talked about what a big deal it was that this you know wasn't just you know a you know a bunch of normal astronauts here's a you know a teacher just like me just you know it was like they really personalized it it was tough I mean completely how could they possibly have seen anything like that come on so it has to that that's probably the big change because my memory of wheeling the television in was a black and white TV and seeing men on the moon in black and white.

You know, I remember, I didn't see Apollo 11.

I don't remember that.

I know I saw it, but I don't remember it.

I was four.

But I remember being in school for one of the later

moon landings.

I don't know which one.

I was probably in first or second grade.

And I remember them wheeling the black and white TV in, and we all watched

men on the moon.

And it was just thrilling, just thrilling.

My father, the generation before,

said when he was growing up, they never even thought of that.

They never even thought men would ever go to the moon.

It was just beyond any kind of understanding.

You're listening to Glenn.

Beck.

All right.

You know, it's funny is now my son is like, why haven't we been to Mars?

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Thank you so much for listening.

The face app, have you done the face app yet, Stu?

Actually, someone did it for us.

Did you see the pictures that got sent to us?

I haven't used it myself, but it's creepy.

It's creepy.

I don't want to send it to my wife because it's auto-divorce because she'll be like, I'm not going to stick around for that.

I don't know.

You looked better than I did.

Well, I mean, I looked.

Wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

Hold it just a second.

You know who I looked really good as?

A woman.

There's no reason I just don't go for the transgendered thing at this point.

Number one, be big on conservative radio, right?

Like, it would be a big deal if you had a conservative radio host that went transgendered.

Very two.

Very popular.

Number two, I would have all sorts of benefits.

I could say anything, right?

I mean, I could say, you could say anything, and then if someone.

Well, you identify as a black woman as well.

Each day.

It would be like, you'll tune in at the beginning of the day.

We'll pull like, we'll spin a wheel to see what I identify as.

And number three, according to FaceApp, I'd be a hot woman.

I mean, let's be honest about it.

I looked at the pictures.

I'd be pretty hot.

Much better looking than I am a guy.

I mean, I'm very hot.

I'd have to get mediocre to below average as a guy, maybe below that.

But as a woman,

I look pretty hot.

I've dressed up before

in certain roles, also at home by myself.

And each time I've noticed a pretty good-looking lady.

So

I haven't noticed that, but FaceApp was very kind to you in the ladies' department.

Thank you.

And me, on the other hand, doesn't work as a male or female.

No.

You don't even work in the normal one where they just like, this is the photo you sent us.

I was like, ah, it doesn't work either.

It's not good.

It's not good.

Now, Chuck Schumer is coming out and saying that this is Russian technology and that Democrats should not use this.

You know,

I'm glad that we're paying attention to these things.

I don't know if there's anything real behind this, this so-called threat.

Well, I mean, the 1980s called...

Your fear of foreign relations.

I mean, they want it back.

Right.

Because, you know, I don't know if you know this.

Ivan Drago and Rocky Balboa ended the Cold War a long time ago, guys.

No reason to worry about Russia.

It's insane to be hearing Democrats talk the way they are now about Russia.

Like, they have accused conservatives and Republicans for being fear-mongers on Russia for almost

a century.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

And now all of a sudden, because of one news cycle where

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Despite his administration's actions, now all of a sudden, Russia's a huge threat.

And now, all of a sudden, Russia's a big worry.

And we're supposed to take all of that seriously from them.

I mean, that is intolerable.

So they're saying that nobody should use this because it's collecting information.

Now, the truth is, is that

it is Russian technology.

It was developed in Russia.

The Russian company, right, by a company that does have ties to the Russian government, but we don't know anything else.

But I will warn you that this is the kind of thing that the former Soviet Union isn't, you know,

it's not beneath them to do stuff like this.

Well, it's funny too because we talk about

things like deep fakes, right?

You need good photos.

And like,

is part one of this is the tech people have really looked into this and what the tech people say and the experts in this field say that there's you know it is is it a very wide license of for use of these photos that that are that is in the agreement?

The answer to that is yes.

However, we have a my contract my contract says that

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Yes, legitimately, it says that.

Legitimately, it says that.

It's as broad as you can possibly get.

Now, Premiere Radio Networks is not planning on broadcasting the show

in another universe.

Yeah, and I'm going to get jipped on it when they find that other universe.

But it's just one of those things where you just write the license as wide as possible to cover everything so there's no question.

And contracts are written like this all the time.

You're clicking accept to things like that all the time.

Though the FaceApp one is

as broad as you can make it.

And the reason why it's more broad than a Facebook or a Twitter is because there's been pressure on Facebook and Twitter.

And so they've, over time,

made the license not quite as expansive because people believe they might actually use this for some purpose.

FaceApp is a smaller company.

They just are writing it broadly.

And it is a scary thing if you look at these licenses, but they are all scary if you look at them.

That's why everyone clicks accept.

A, there's a lot, it's a lot of words.

B, you don't want to actually know what's in there.

But there is a concern that it comes from Russia because we do know that Russia is trying to disrupt.

I believe that

the deep fake that will let everyone in America go from not knowing what a deep fake is to everyone in America knowing what a deep fake is in a week's time.

I think it will come from Russia.

So we have to keep our eye on Russia.

Now, there's something else that I found.

One more additional thing on this because we started on the deep fakes and then stopped.

Think of if you have a photo that you sent that is not something you've published necessarily online, right?

Like you're taking a photo maybe of yourself.

It's not even on your phone.

If they have that photo and they have rights to it and they want to manipulate it,

like there is

a real serious risk if Russia wants to do something nefarious getting this information.

I think that that is actually a real thing.

Because they're talking about this, you know, a lot of the pictures get deleted in 48 hours,

which is apparently true.

A lot of them are stored on Amazon Cloud Services, which, again, you might not like Amazon, but

this is where they're being stored.

But like, you have to add in, like, who knows what the Russian government has, what plans they have for this, how much of this they're just taking as it's coming in.

There's no way to know that stuff, and you don't know it until afterwards.

So it is a risk.

So last night I was watching this

little mini doc.

It was about 10 minutes long.

It's about the planned US nuclear attack against the former Soviet Union.

And our plan was to wipe the Soviet Union off the map.

Now, I'm always fascinated by these things because they're plans for everything.

You know,

that's what the Pentagon is supposed to do, is plan for everything.

And the plans for the Soviet Union coming across and killing all of us and taking over the United States, those are just as diabolical and evil, and they didn't happen,

but they were planned just in case.

You have to have that plan.

I hope the United States has a plan for any scenario.

That's their job.

But I was interested in seeing this because it was a plan that was developed in 1945,

right after the Second World War, and it was dated September 15th.

I want you to listen to this and tell me if anything sticks out.

Listen to a bit of this.

Western media has largely focused its attention on the Cold War, U.S.-USSR confrontation.

The plan to annihilate the Soviet Union, dating back to World War II and the infamous Manhattan Project, are not mentioned.

Washington's Cold War nuclear plans are invariably presented as a response to so-called Soviet threats, when in fact it was the US September 1945 plan to wipe out the Soviet Union, which motivated Moscow to develop its nuclear weapons capabilities.

Had the US decided not to develop nuclear weapons for use against the Soviet Union, the nuclear arms race would not have taken place.

Neither the Soviet Union nor the People's Republic of China would have developed nuclear capabilities as a means of deterrence.

Right, right.

The Soviet Union lost 26 million people during World War II.

The USSR developed its own atomic bomb in 1949 in response to the 1942 Soviet intelligence reports on the Manhattan Project.

Now, listen to this.

I'm quoting from the rest of this.

The document outlining this diabolical military agenda was released in September 1945.

It's worth noting that Stalin was first informed through official channels by Harry Truman of the infamous Manhattan Project at the Potsdam Conference in July 24th, 1949, barely two weeks before the attack on Hiroshima.

But the Kremlin was fully aware of the secret Manhattan Project as early as 1942.

Were the 1945 Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks used by the Pentagon to evaluate the viability of a much larger attack on the Soviet Union consisting of more than 204 bombs?

So they're making the case that the only reason why we bombed Japan was so we could test it out to see what it would take to really wipe out the Soviet Union.

Then, towards the end, it says, In the post-Cold War era, under Donald Trump's fire and fury, nuclear war directed against Russia, China, North Korea, and Iran is on the table.

Today's President, Donald Trump, does not have the foggiest idea as to the consequences of nuclear war.

Communication between the White House and the Kremlin is at an all-time low.

In fact, in 1962, the leaders on both sides, John F.

Kennedy and Nikita Khrushchev, were acutely aware of the dangers of nuclear annihilation.

They collaborated with a view to avoid the unthinkable.

The nuclear doctrine was entirely different than the Cold War.

Both Washington and Moscow understood the realities of mutually assured destruction.

The

1 trillion plus plus nuclear weapons program was first launched under Obama, and it is ongoing.

Today's thermonuclear bombs are more than 100 times more powerful and destructive than the Hiroshima bomb, and both the U.S.

and Russia have several thousand nuclear weapons already deployed.

But moreover, and more importantly, an all-out war against China is currently on the drawing board of the Pentagon as outlined by the RAND Corporation, commissioned by the U.S.

Army.

This is

insane.

It ends with the U.S.

has a long

history of political insanity geared towards providing a human face to U.S.

crimes against humanity.

So I'm watching this and it just slowly starts to go awry.

It goes from a documentary to a

propaganda piece.

And so I did a little bit of research.

It is coming from a guy in Canada who is a huge supporter of the Soviet Union, has been for a very long time, conspiracy theorist, et cetera, et cetera.

The thing is,

this is what Russia is doing to us.

We are not awake at all to see the manipulation that is going on by enemies, enemies of ours, Russia,

the Palestinians.

I'm sorry, but the Palestinian

government

is not a friend of the United States.

Iran, not a friend of the United States.

I was listening to NPR this morning, so I like to hear what the other side is saying.

The way they phrased what's happening with Turkey was unbelievable.

Turkey was in NATO, and the United States needs to have Turkey in NATO.

No, I don't think so.

A lot of people think that that was a mistake.

And Turkey is buddying up with Russia.

In fact, they just decided to buy a Russian air defense system.

We told Turkey, well, then you're not buying any of our planes because you can't be double dealing on both sides.

You'll have the planes and the Russians over there with their anti-missile system.

No, you're not getting both technology.

NPR was spinning this as, look at Donald Trump.

He just wants war.

We've got to have Turkey.

We have to have Turkey as an ally.

Turkey hasn't been a real ally in a very long time.

I mean, geez, I can get more accurate information by driving in a cab in New York City than listening to some of these buffoons on the radio.

I was just up up in New York and there was a guy, he was from Turkey.

He had been here for 10 years.

I said, so what do you think of Turkey?

What's happening over there?

Him not knowing that I know what's happening in Turkey.

And he said, you know,

15 years ago, we thought maybe it would go all right.

He said, it started to go awry and the government became very totalitarian.

He said, and I was just beginning to see it.

And he said, so I decided to move over here to the United States for educational purposes.

He said, now, I would never go back there.

He said, it is a totalitarian state, and it is very, very scary what's happening in Turkey.

Where is that analysis from NPR?

Yeah, nowhere.

Nowhere.

And I will say, too,

a related topic here.

I don't know this guy's exact situation, but that's the exact type of immigrant you want.

It's exactly the type of immigrant.

It's a person who looks and sees a totalitarian or a socialist government starting to crack down and and comes here because they're celebrating the things that we have, the opportunities.

He came here with the hope of someday returning, but he came over here because he knew the education that he could get.

He came over here, then saw, oh man, I've got it free and easy here compared to back home.

I am not going back there.

And then he spoke to me about how much he loved America,

all of the opportunities that we have and how Americans just don't see it.

Right.

And there's no one with that story,

no one's chanting send them back to that person, no matter what color they are.

Nope.

No matter what they look like.

Nope.

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a former social justice warrior that

did a lot of destruction.

He

destroyed his life, or his life was destroyed for him.

He was a guy who was suicidal.

He's a human,

and he seems to be an honest human that is looking to

anybody who will say, Enough is enough.

Can't we just talk about things?

Welcome to the program, Jamie Kilstein.

Thank you so much for having me.

Your intro was so nice, and as you were doing it, I was like, wow, I said terrible things about you.

That was so,

yeah, that was so kind.

I mean,

that means a lot.

And

I mean, I literally, I don't know if you remember this.

I was

so bad years ago at one point, I have you on my resume because at one point, my old very lefty podcast essentially just was trolling you and did an episode called like the F you Glenn Beck episode and had like Bill Ayers was on, was like our guest.

And oh man, I would have loved to hear.

I'd love to, you have to send it to me.

I'd love to hear it.

I'd love to hear it.

Yeah, and then I think you talked about it on your show and you called me a doofus.

Like we were both so ridiculous.

You called me a doofus.

And then I put it on my resume.

So when I would like go to clubs and stuff, my resume was like, I had a blurb from like Robin Williams.

I had a really nice newspaper blurb.

And then the last one said Jamie Gilstein is a doofus, Glenn Beck.

I love that.

Very funny.

But, like, you

at the time, I would rather have promoted myself off of something negative and something crappy like that than actually, you know, talent.

Anyway, long story short, thank you for having me on.

You're welcome.

I'm having you on because you are, you have an incredible story.

You are somebody who

admits, holy cow, was I going down down the wrong path?

And

you enjoyed the darkness of it.

I had kind of a different story.

I didn't really enjoy the darkness of it.

I just was filled with certitude that I knew who

other people were and everybody was in a group.

And

that's not true.

And when you're being attacked, as you know and I know, you're being attacked, you attack back.

Because it felt like it was life and and death.

It really did.

Yeah, and I mean, I have that certitude too, for sure.

That's what's so scary about the internet and tribalism and echo chambers, where when you get your following and you start talking to people offline less and online more, and you attack someone, those likes go up and those retweets go up.

And if, like me, you were drinking and you were depressed and you were in a failing marriage marriage and you didn't really like your friends in New York.

But if I opened my computer and I went online and I attacked whoever the left was attacking that day, and then I started just to get, you know, validation, validation, validation, that made me feel good.

And, you know, the thing on the left is I never liked when people said the extreme left was the same as the extreme right because I was like, in my head, you know, the right started wars and nobody was like dropping into Iraq being like, free health care.

And I thought that was like a garbage analogy.

But now I see what people are talking about.

And I think what they mean when they say that it's the rhetoric of the extreme right and the extreme left, and what you were talking about in your intro, which is just not being willing to have conversations.

So I had that certitude.

I thought I was doing the right thing.

Also, take in mind, I dropped out of high school.

I'm a white straight dude.

I have so many insecurities

that whenever someone someone did tell me I was wrong or I wasn't being progressive enough, I just thought that meant I was a bad person.

So my certitude almost came from like a self-hatred point of view.

But a lot of it did have to do with getting the validation that I wasn't getting in my real life.

And to be honest, I think a lot of people are going through that.

I think anytime somebody tweets you and they don't know you and they're attacking you, the proper response is like, hey, man, are you okay with your dad?

Like, do you need to call your mom?

Like, what's going on in your personal life to make you spend all day yelling at strangers on the internet?

That is exactly the lesson I learned because I was very against Donald Trump.

And

I was,

you know, I worried about my own audience.

How have we been together this long?

And you don't see what I see or how I see it.

And I've always felt like I've loved my audience, and I really do.

This audience is amazing, just an amazing audience.

And I was so confused and angry, all coming from me, none of it coming from them.

And I realized about, I don't know, six months after the election, you hypocrite.

You say you love the audience, but you don't, because if somebody was acting like that in your real life, you would say to them, what's happening in your life?

Because this is out of step.

So what's happening?

And what I missed was the tremendous pain and fear that people are feeling.

And that's everywhere now.

Everywhere.

People are in this

pain and the fear of, look how bad things are getting, and nobody seems to be doing anything about it.

Yeah, if we talked to people in real life, like we talk to people online, America, it would look like the purge.

Like we would all just be attacking each other all day.

And once you

step back, like you did, like I'm trying to do, and talk to people as humans and talk to people face to face and realize that, like you said, like we're all scared.

We're all insecure.

We're all trying to be better.

We're all trying to provide for our family.

It doesn't matter if you're on the left, on the right, we all want to pet the stranger's dog before making eye contact with them.

Like these are all things we want to do.

But what's happening when you go online is you're like, well, I guess everyone on the left is like a milkshake throwing

anarchist and everyone on the right is a Nazi.

And we're not having conversations because we are so determined to defend our team blindly.

I mean, here's the thing.

If I on the left call every Trump voter a racist, when Trump does something racist, do you think that the people that I've been demonizing are going to want to

they're going to want to defend him or not say anything because because they feel like they've been put in the corner by the left.

That is exactly, Jamie.

That is the, that is, I called everybody I knew in media and said, listen, here's what I've learned.

I, I said these things.

I still believe these things.

But the way I said them put everybody into a posture of, I got to defend him.

I got to defend Obama because he's been attacked all the time.

And I said, you will only make things much worse worse if that's what you do.

You have to reach out and say, what is it you're saying?

What are you hearing?

And

they don't get it.

Yeah, 100%.

And I, you know,

the saddest part about it is the audience you've built, the audience I'm building is amazing.

And I'm very proud of it.

However, I know when I when I went to my agent at LA under Donald Trump, and

I used to be rich when I was just screaming liberal and would just attack people all day, and now I'm not.

And when I went to him and I was like, hey, I know everybody's being political and we're the most divided we've ever been.

How about I do a podcast about nuance and dialogue?

Like the disappointment on his face was palpitable.

And the problem is, the sad part is when you spoke out, you probably got crap from both sides.

When I spoke out I got crap on both sides I actually even though I'm still pretty liberal on most things I'm very well aware that if I wanted to be like a millionaire I mean this is when I was sleeping on a couch after having like a pretty great life financially at least in New York I was getting offers to kind of be like the the left-wing guy who goes right wing like I could have written that book that was you know why I left the left and I'd be hosting my own show on Fox News in like a couple years and I would have had money and I would have done like mental jiu-jitsu to convince myself I wasn't selling out.

But I'm not that and I'm

much slower building this show

about kind of what you're doing.

The sad thing for me is, and I don't know if you experienced it in the opposite way, but the sad thing for me is I am getting booked far more on conservative shows.

And they know I'm still liberal.

Like, I'm not suddenly, you know, changing my stances on a ton of things.

I have on a couple,

and I'm not getting booked on left-wing shows.

Yeah, so Jimmy,

that in some ways happened with me

to where, but I was looking to go on to the other side because I was trying to find somebody who would have real dialogue.

They always approached it with me that Glenn Beck has changed his, he's had a change of art and he's had a change of view.

And I'm like, no, I still believe everything that I used to believe.

There's just one big difference here.

And in your case, you still believe in policies, but you're not the social justice warrior that is taking everybody down.

And you literally were, you were one of the guys who were like the first on the bandwagon to get people fired.

Oh, yeah, 100%.

And it's,

again, I think that social media, I think that social media, it dehumanizes people where they're not a person with a family.

They're a Twitter avatar

that is expendable.

Or cartoon characters.

Yeah, and people, myself included, you get this rush.

And we're so desperate for it.

I think the Kevin Hart one's a really great example where you had a bunch of people on the left trying to take down a young black entrepreneur who, I mean, I remember seeing him at Open Mics, who has built himself up to being this megastar.

And it wasn't like he said something the day before he hosted the Oscars.

It wasn't like he was like giving a speech and was like, man, I hope there aren't gay people at the Oscars tomorrow.

Somebody had to dig.

Somebody had to dig 10 years in the future.

They saw someone succeeding.

I mean, we're doing the opposite of self-help.

We're doing the opposite of positive affirmations, of lifting people up, of showing gratitude.

We are going online every day and searching.

That guy is successful.

Instead of how do I emulate him, how do I learn from him?

I want to take him down.

And if we spent as much time trying to take other people down as we did, like building ourselves and other people up, all of us would be successful and we would be far less miserable.

But we are searching out people to destroy.

And for me, when I was doing it, yeah, it was like the bullies, the popular kids in high school, where suddenly Justine Sacco is on a plane and she made this tweet that's offensive.

And when she lands, she's going to be fired.

And we would all gleefully be trying to come up with the most clever joke or what, you know, we would at the people so they knew they were being talked about or gossiped about.

And I still get that online.

And the kind of addiction.

like that it was that same feeling uh of an alcoholic of a drug addict of like i know i shouldn't do this but i'm going to do this.

And then, and then it takes over your life.

I mean, I remember one day where I was freaking out and I was, I was fighting with this liberal journalist because the left love nothing more than to fight with their own.

I was fighting with this guy, Josh Marshall.

He runs like, or he ran, at least at the time, talking points memo.

And I was ignoring my family.

And I was yelling at him.

And he was with his kids on the beach.

And he's fighting with me.

And like, at one point, he wrote F you Freedom Fighter to me.

And I like took a screenshot and I posted it.

And it's like, both of us should have been with our families at that time.

And then I remember I was like, all right, I'm going to close my computer.

I'm going to stop fighting with him.

And I went, I lived on Prospect Park.

So I was like, I'm going to go walk through the park.

And before I even knew it, it's like blacking out and showing up at another bar.

I was in the park on my cell phone.

fighting with someone else on Twitter.

And that becomes your reality because people forget,

there's there's no way I would have made it as a teenager with social media because it follows you around.

It does.

Yeah, you're sitting on the toilet and a stranger's calling you a cuck.

Jamie, I am sorry.

I have to cut this short because we have breaking news that I have to get to.

May I ask you to come in and do a podcast with me?

I would honestly, I would love to.

I would love to apologize in person, grab coffee 100%.

I appreciate appreciate it.

God bless.

Or not, whichever it is with you with God.

So thank you for being on the program.

We'll talk again.

That's Jamie Kilstein.

He does the Jamie Kilstein podcast.

The guy has a remarkable story that you really need to hear.

And we'll continue in just a minute with some breaking news that is coming out.

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I wish we would have had more time with him today.

I can't wait for that podcast.

His turn

is remarkable.

First of all, he's really funny.

But

the reason, you know, his sort of how his last gig fell apart is fascinating.

Yeah.

You know, he became a victim essentially of everything he was doing.

Yeah, and that's when he woke up and went, oh, wait a minute.

Yeah, and he went through some really dark times.

And

he's really, I mean, you know, before we put somebody on the air that's saying this, we really kind of try to do our homework.

And he really has tried to change.

And he's not a guy who's looking for the destruction of America or anything else.

He's just a liberal.

He's not one of these people who hate America.

Yeah.

And when you have that in common today, that's a pretty big deal.

That feels good.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I believe he's dating someone who, at least the family is conservative.

A conservative Christian

and

an oil family from Texas.

And he wrote this great, really hysterical piece on meeting the parents and what he would have said before, what he would have thought before, and how it went.

One part I I did not know about the story was that I did not at all remember

him bashing you and you going back there.

I don't, you know, that happens so often.

I know.

It's still happening.

Showtime is about to do it again

this weekend.

Yeah.

But we'll see.

Anyway, we have some breaking news and we have the author of the story that is just broken and it is an important one, something that Donald Trump talked about yesterday.

He said somebody is going to be working on this.

Well, yes, we know the guy who is working on it quite well, and we're going to talk to him next.

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There is some very timely breaking news today.

Yesterday, Donald Trump said, you know,

there's a question of Elon Omar and her relationship with her family and

her taxes.

And we pretty much have the Minneapolis Tribune Star to

verify that, yeah, yeah,

the tax thing is definitely weird and it looks fraudulent.

She filed income tax saying she was married to someone else when

she was actually married to another guy and they were all three living together.

It was a weird, weird story.

But David Steinberg has been working on this story for a long, long time with a couple of other people working together, and it has been hard to tie up all of the loose loose ends on this story.

Was she married to her brother?

And if so, why?

David Steinberg has just broken with a news story on powerlineblog.com

and I have looked at the evidence and it's pretty strong.

There's some things that I question, I'm not sure, and I'm not sure I understand the story yet, David, because it's very complex.

But give me the gist of this news story.

Hey, Glenn, thanks for having me on.

You bet.

So

what I published this morning, I've had for several months.

Essentially, we've been holding on to this information that altogether does compile

what I would consider a smoking gun here.

There just simply aren't any other possibilities at this point

for this to not have been her brother, I'll put it that way.

But what I published today

connects her to

this individual in England as her sibling.

That's something that hasn't been published yet.

We had these charges of fraud before.

We had some other

evidence published that showed she might have committed

that she was married to two men at the same time.

This is the first time any information has been published that directly ties her to this person in a sibling relationship.

Okay, now

there's two Ahmads in her life, if I'm not mistaken.

There is the Ahmad that she was married to here in the United States and has two children.

Then she supposedly got a divorce, but not an official divorce, a spiritual divorce or something.

And then she married this other Ahmad.

And this is the one that you claim is the brother.

And is this an actual blood brother, or is this

somebody that sh she

was kind of adopted into this family?

What I'm hearing from sources, multiple sources within the Minnesota Minneapolis Somali community.

First of all, we're talking about what is an open secrets among the Somali community there.

And to be honest, secret is not the appropriate word.

It's simply open.

If you have a decent understanding of Somali, for example, and you poke around a bit, you're going to find all of this online openly yourself.

That's just to start with.

Second, I do believe we are talking about a blood brother here.

And what happened is,

according to these sources, back in Somalia, 1995,

the father had five children,

and he did not have a means of getting them out of this refugee camp.

I'm sorry, in the refugee camp in Kenya.

So another family, a second family, the Omars,

offered him the opportunity to fraudulently take himself and two of his children into their family, which was being granted asylum.

Okay.

So

let's just give this the benefit of the doubt.

We're all in a refugee camp.

I have no chance of getting out.

And you are a good friend, and you say,

Look, Glenn, I take two of your family members and you, and I can get you into Great Britain.

You just have to be part of my family.

You're now Omar.

That's what's being charged here.

Correct.

Okay.

This is a common transaction

in those days in those refugee camps.

People would sell their extra spots.

or sell

the willingness to fraudulently add someone to their family.

and this was this was rampant

as far as several people I've spoken to it's rampant there was a also a DNA testing done by the US government about a decade later mostly on Somali immigrants I mentioned this in the article and they concluded that up to 87% of applicants for this priority three family reunification program for refugees, up to 87% of applicants were applying fraudulently.

They were not members of the family they claimed to be.

Okay.

But there's no, there's no, I'm just, I just want to make sure that we are looking and giving the benefit of the doubt all the way along.

There's nothing, I mean, it's illegal and it's fraud, but it wasn't a terrorist thing or anything.

This was how do I get out of a refugee camp?

So, correct?

Okay.

I stressed that in the article, that they were fleeing from a hellish situation in Somalia.

Correct.

So we look to what happened back in 1995 as a way to find answers for what she might have done in

2009 once she was a U.S.

citizen.

She became a U.S.

citizen in 2000.

So the excuse that

it was a horrific situation they were fleeing from, that was no longer active.

She'd been a U.S.

citizen for nine years when she entered this marriage with the man who certainly now appears to be her brother.

Why would she do that?

She was married, had two kids.

She says she was married, you know, in her religious tradition, but not legally,

had two kids.

Why would she then

say that she's leaving her husband, but as you find out later, they're all living in the same house.

What is she gaining by marrying this guy?

We have several different

possibilities.

The most obvious one is speeding up the immigration case for her brother.

Okay.

So he was not an American citizen.

He was a British citizen.

He had been a British citizen for several years.

Okay.

Okay.

Now,

that's the first issue.

The second issue is that this entire marriage to this second individual occurred while both he and Ilhan were attending North Dakota State University.

So they get married

summer of 2009.

They go to North Dakota State University.

Ilhan enrolls in the fall.

She graduates in the spring of 2011.

And that is when she tells people their marriage, their relationship ends, and she never sees them again.

Now, he was also enrolled at North Dakota State University at the time, too.

So the other likelihood here is student loan fraud.

Being married, the two of them were much more likely to get a better deal considering they would no longer be dependents of their parents.

That income would not be included.

So, FASTA fraud is definitely a possibility, which is also punished very severely.

Five years, I believe, for each instance of fraud on a federal FAFSA form is the maximum.

And one of the other things that is bizarre is that they claim on, I think it's tax documents, that

they're living, they're all kind of living together, right?

The old husband and, quote, the new husband living in the same house.

These didn't show up on tax documents.

I did a deep search into old address records, and I found them all living in the same house for that first year in North Dakota State.

in Fargo.

They moved, they all three of them moved to a second location for their second year at the university.

And

I was also able to confirm that through articles.

Ilhan has stated in the past that she was with Ahmed Hersey and her two kids in North Dakota.

She stated that long before she was involved in politics.

I think that was in 2014 or 2015.

So we have quite a bit of evidence that she never separated from the man she had the two kids with.

Meanwhile, she had married this new individual, and all three of them were at the same address while they were attending college.

And then she has to go and testify for the divorce, correct?

In the divorce, that is in 2017.

And she has to testify that she doesn't know where

her legal husband, possibly her brother,

she had no idea.

She hadn't seen him since 2011.

Correct.

She testifies she has not seen him since June 2011.

And now

she did this because she was applying for default before

a default divorce where one of the spouses cannot be found to be legally served.

So she answers eight questions on this nine question form

that are there is a very strong possibility that all eight questions are perjury because we have solid proof that she was in in touch with this person from 2011 until 2016 online on both of their confirmed accounts.

We have photographs of them visiting each other in London in 2015.

This is the perjury case, the perjury element of all this is the most open and shut part of the whole story.

So,

what do people do with this?

I mean, because if

you're

what's going to be said is, well, you don't know for sure.

She's not answering any questions.

The people who would prosecute this, I don't think, are motivated to prosecute this or to even look at it.

You can't even get the

Minneapolis paper.

I mean, they basically said your early report is all right.

However, nothing happened.

Nothing happened.

Well, nothing happened because

they were not able to get the additional evidence that I did publish today.

And the additional evidence is they are the pictures and

the Facebook posts back and forth, correct?

Correct.

What we could not do before was connect her in a sibling relationship.

We had plenty of evidence that they were in touch all these years and appeared to be conversing with each other as siblings.

For example, he referred to her children as his nieces and nephews.

Now, what we did not have, though, was any solid evidence besides that of them being siblings prior to the marriage.

And that's what I published today.

And so tell me about those pictures quickly, because we're about out of time.

Tell me about the the other pictures and the other things that you have found.

Well, quick summary.

What I published today

is that Ilhan

has,

her father's name is Nurse Saeed.

I was able to confirm that she has called him by that name.

There is a sister named Layla Nursaid Elmi who lives in England.

And I was able to confirm via her marriage records that she also calls her father Nursaid Aeed Elmi.

And then what I found was these photographs which show Ilhan and Layla Nursaid Elmi together with their father, Nurse Saeed, on a family trip.

And

talking about him as their wonderful father.

They're all talking about him as their wonderful father.

I posted a second photograph of Ilhan with her arm around Layla, and Ilhan puts puts the caption on the photograph, I heart my sister.

Now, I also,

along with the official marriage document from the UK of Layla testifying that her father's name is Nursaid Elmi,

we have a very strong connection that this woman is Ilhan's sister.

And this is what we did not have before.

We didn't have this connection to London.

Now, this sister, Layla,

I have found through sources, was the guardian of Ahmed Nursa'id Elmi during his teenage years

in London.

She essentially raised him.

She was his older sister.

She was 23.

He was 12 when they first arrived.

And she was his guardian in London until he was 18 years old.

Now, I have some other evidence showing that in the article, some address records showing where they lived.

The school he attended was just around the block from Lara's address.

And

there are,

just to top it off, there are some posts I found where he is referring to her as mom, and she is referring to him as son.

All right.

So, this is what we weren't able to do in the past: connect all of them together as family members, and that's what I posted today.

David, thank you very much for all of your hard work on this.

I know the Blaze is looking to independently verify all of this to give your story some extra legs and some extra eyes on it.

You've just posted this at powerlineblog.com.

I urge you to read it, see the evidence for yourself

and

do your own homework on it.

I think this is one of the bigger frauds that has ever happened, if it is indeed true.

And the evidence is pretty damning at this point, but if it is true, it is a remarkable story that needs to be addressed.

David Steinberg, thank you so much.

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