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Um, we go to the State of the Union today, and Glenn was there.

Uh, he's in DC as we're doing the show.

I'm in Dallas, and Glenn was in the room last night for the State of the Union.

He's got a lot of interesting observations of it beyond just the idea of what was said, which

Glenn liked quite a bit, but also what was going on in the room.

I mean,

he could tell which congress people were scrolling through their Facebook feeds the entire time.

That's pretty much the level of detail he has on this, and we'll get into that as well today.

We have Mike Lee on the show.

He comes by the studio.

We have Thomas Massey on.

Now, that's the congressperson from Kentucky.

You'll remember him recently from the Covington story.

He was the representative and did a lot of really good work to make sure the kids and with the smirking and the red hat didn't get beat up by the media.

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there were some really incredible moments in the speech last night.

And I don't know what the rest of the media is saying, nor do I care.

I'm in Washington, D.C., at our Blaze Washington Bureau, and

I had the opportunity to sit in the chamber last night, and it was a bizarre experience.

And if we have time, I'll tell you

the things that I saw last night, all the way from do you know what is facing the speaker?

Do you know what if when the speaker or the president is standing there, what's on the wall above the doors?

Would you be surprised if I told you a giant medallion,

a plaster cast, if you will, of Moses?

They have all the great lawmakers, and behind the president was Madison and Jefferson.

But when you're standing there and you're looking up, you're looking at Moses.

So I've got some interesting things to tell you, and I have

some fascinating things to tell you about how radical the left really is.

It is worse than I thought it was

just standing in the chamber.

And so we'll get to that.

Also, the things that the president did say last night,

you know, I know the press is probably going to say, it was a very divisive, you know, when Bill Clinton stood up and he lost the chamber,

you know, he was very conciliatory.

He was like, hey, boy,

the era of big government is apparently over.

And then he worked together with everybody.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, and then George Bush came in, you know, and he said, I've got a strategy for this war, and I know nobody really wants to support it, but we're going to do a surge and just help.

So he doubled down, that evil guy.

And then Obama came in.

And when he lost his midterms, what did he do?

He thumbed his nose at the Tea Party.

He thumbed his nose at anybody who was trying to derail.

I thought the president did a little of both.

I thought the president, and it was amazing.

I don't know if you could hear it on television, but they hissed him several times.

Could you hear that, Stu?

No,

I couldn't really take the ⁇ I didn't hear the hissing, no.

Oh, my gosh.

They hissed at him several times.

They groaned several times.

Sometimes, like when he said,

you know,

I think we'd be at war right now.

But he said, in my opinion, I think we'd be at war right now with North Korea.

You know, sometimes there were some chuckles and things like that.

But I thought the president didn't take himself so seriously, at least in the room.

I don't know how it translated, but in the room, he was, I thought,

conciliatory.

I think he tried to come in and say, look, Look, these are the things we have to work on these things and we have to work together.

And I think he gave the Democrats.

I was sitting because you're sitting next to strangers and you don't know who's who.

You don't know

what anybody's political bent is.

So you really don't talk about politics when you're up in the gallery because you're sitting next to strangers and you don't want to have a fist fight.

And so we were just kind of sitting up there, and a few of us, and I didn't know anybody.

And I was just talking to people.

I don't know which way they were going, et cetera, et cetera.

And I made the comment: I said, you know, if

the public and

the

organizations outside

would have given the president a different ushering in,

do you think it would have been different?

And everybody said

yes,

would have been different,

would have been,

he would have worked together.

And I think that's true.

And if you look at what he was talking about last night, there are things that they can work together on.

But when you're in the room, you can see why the president gets so upset.

Because I've never seen this, and I don't know if anybody was covering this, but I saw a few disturbing things.

First of all, I've got to get the picture of the row that

Ocasio-Cortez was sitting in.

She was sitting there with six or eight women, and then the women behind her as well.

I want to know who those people were.

She was sitting in the center, and she was sitting at the table.

She is running

at least the freshman, but I will tell you, I snuck into the party with

Nancy Pelosi in her office.

You know, it was with Thomas Massey, and he said, they'll just think I'm a freshman senator.

They won't know who I am, or a freshman congressman.

They won't know who I am.

And I'm like, I don't think they're going to know who I am.

And walked in, and we were just trying to get to the balcony of the speaker's

place.

That thing is bigger than

that, Nancy Pelosi's office is bigger than many houses in America.

And it was a party scene.

It was actually grotesque.

It was a party scene that was happening in there.

And Ocasio-Cortez was right at her side.

And I think Nancy Pelosi is keeping her close because she knows how dangerous she is.

But I will tell you, they've empowered her so much.

She was running a lot of the responses last night.

She was in the center, and I saw her several times look around, look behind her,

and almost seemingly coach on where we're moving and how we're going to react.

It was fascinating to watch.

The woman that, if you are looking at her face on, the woman on her left, Stu, I don't know who it is because I couldn't see her face, but she had short hair.

She was, you know, maybe 50,

40, 50,

I think

and we got to know who she is because boy oh boy the vibes off of that woman

were were intense these are radicals that are sitting in there absolute radicals when

Ocasio-Cortez when they said certain things like

you know we

let's take the border

We have a caravan.

They hissed.

They booed,

or they grumbled, I should say, when they did that.

She did not stand for any of it.

She was staring down the president.

I mean, many times when the president was speaking, he would stop, and when he was, he would look at the other side, and he said at one point, no, don't sit down.

You're going to love this.

That was at the very beginning, But several times he looked right at Ocasio-Cortez, and he was delivering it to her.

And for instance, when he said, we will never go socialist.

I don't know if he said those words or right after he said those words.

He looked right at her and that progressive caucus.

It was phenomenal what was going on

inside.

But I will tell you, I have thought that the progressive caucus, they were radical.

You have no idea.

You have no idea.

I would not want to be the president of the United States at this point because there is, I mean, to say there's no love between them

is

a massive, massive understatement.

When he was talking at the end

and he was building,

I thought, a very Reagan-esque look at America.

He opened and closed with some of the best stuff

I've heard

probably since Reagan.

The Democrats

did not like that.

Many times I looked down and they were shaking their head like, oh, this clap trap, this ridiculous America claptrap.

It was phenomenal to watch.

I said to

a congressman, a couple of congressmen last night, you need to wire a new camera.

You need to put a camera right where I was sitting, right in the center, up on the balcony, front row.

I was actually in the last row, but they're very close.

But put that camera right there in the front row.

Because you can see at one point when he was talking about

the caravan that was coming up through Mexico again they all scoffed they hissed Ocasio-Cortez just shook her head and whispered something to her friend

and they both they both kind of laughed and shook their head in disgust and then Ocasio-Cortez lifted up her phone and took a selfie And it was like, oh my gosh.

I can't tell you how many people were scrolling their Facebook pages and they were just not even paying attention.

On the other hand, there were a few people, Joe Manchin is one of them, that stood every time the Republican stood.

There was a woman, and I don't know

who she is.

She was in the house, and she was wearing, if you were looking from the president's perspective, she would be on his far right and almost under the balcony and midway, and and she was wearing hot pink or a fuchsia color dress.

She stuck out and I say that because, Stu, I want you to see if you can look at the crowd, find out who that woman was, because she was all alone, absolutely all alone standing at times.

And I'd like to know who she was as well.

Was that Kristen Sinema, the new senator from Arizona?

I believe she was the one that did not wear the white when everyone else was wearing white.

Yeah, neither did Kamala Harris.

I think Kamala was wearing black, which was last year's color, because last year was all about me too, and that color was black.

And this one is Women United in the Workforce or whatever, and that's white.

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Last night,

I was on my way back to the hotel.

It was late at night.

And

I got a call

from the head of my company.

And he said, I've got some really bad news.

And I said,

okay.

And he said, this is really bad news.

Are you seated?

And I said, yeah, I'm in the car.

I'm on the way back to the hotel.

He said,

Doc Thompson was killed

tonight.

And it took me

a while to even process.

At first, it just didn't.

What?

Apparently, Doc Thompson, who did the morning blaze for a long time at the place

TV and radio,

was out jogging last night, and he had his

earbuds in,

and he was

jogging next to the railroad tracks.

And apparently,

we think that his headphones were up so loud that he could not hear the train that was coming,

and it sideswiped him and killed him.

Doc

Doc was one of the more talented and gregarious guys that I know.

Um

he was

a guy who would come into my office all the time.

I got an idea.

I got an idea.

He was the the ultimate entrepreneur

and he left us

was it during this last summer, Stu?

Yeah, not not too long ago.

Um he left us to start his own business.

And

I was thrilled for Doc

because that's who he is.

He was just an entrepreneur and an idea guy.

And he loved entrepreneurs.

And he loved new businesses.

And because of Doc,

many businesses

are flourishing because he would really take them under his wing.

And he cared deeply about people who were trying to do business.

And he left to start his own broadcast unit.

And unfortunately, he put every single penny he had in it.

And

he was the kind of guy who bet on tomorrow and bet

on himself.

And he leaves behind a wife and two children

there is a gofund me cave page uh it's gofundme dot com slash doc

hash or what do you call it um

you know hyphen thompson well we'll send it out from the social pages here go ahead and make sure everyone can get the right link yeah um but uh if you can if you can help here's a guy who believed in the american dream here's a guy that for the Blaise family woke so many people up every morning

and

always just had a positive attitude

and a can-do spirit.

And we are

devastated as a family

and devastated

for his family.

And we would ask that if you

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Seems like we're getting a wake-up call.

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He lived, but he had a heart attack that doctors call the widowmaker.

Most people don't make it.

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Something happens when you start losing contemporaries.

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Thanks.

One of the good guys in Congress is Thomas Massey,

who I was with.

I was his guest last night, and I appreciate the invitation.

Thanks for coming, man.

You bet.

Glad to have you.

Can we turn his mic on?

I can't hear him.

Congressman, can you

what was the most significant thing that you thought happened last night?

I think the most significant thing was when the president said the United States will never be a socialist country.

And

it looked to me like 50% of the Democrats were glued to their seats and not clapping.

In other words, they are outright endorsing socialism now, about half of their conference.

And, you know, four years ago, if you had called Obama a socialist, they would tell you you're a racist.

Oh, no,

I know that firsthand.

I know that firsthand.

And now, but now the mask is off, and they're openly running as socialists.

And the ones who aren't openly running as socialists recognize it's a huge part of their primary voting base and don't want to upset the socialists.

But I think it points to a big problem with the Democrat Party that they have going forward.

It's a, you know, the extreme form of what

small government Republicans advocate for is libertarianism.

In other words, we just leave everybody alone.

Right.

Okay.

The extreme form of what the Democrats campaign on is communism and socialism.

And so they are out

socialisming each other.

I know.

And

what was amazing was it wasn't to placate.

I suppose it is for some to placate

their base,

but there are hardcore

extremists on the left now in Congress.

I mean, I was shocked.

Another thing that was even more extreme in the reaction was when President Trump called out

the third trimester, like

and later, if you will, which is five seconds later, I guess, when he called out

how wrong it was to kill infants who were just born, and

I didn't see them stand up or clap for that.

No, not the not those hardcore women in the white, in the center.

Some of them, I think almost the whole Democrat caucus refused to clap when he

was so you're talking about extremism.

This is where they've gone in in two to four years.

Yeah.

And then the other thing is,

and this disappointed me me with my own party,

when the president said

great countries don't fight endless wars.

That to me was

an obvious bipartisan applause line.

I thought so too.

And I was like maybe one of two dozen who stood up out of 435 and clapped for that.

That concerns me.

This is because it's really Congress's authority and decision of where

to deploy our troops.

And we've abdicated that.

And this is a president who might have to be the person who stops these wars.

Like that would be his greatest legacy, not creating another social program like paid maternity leave for men, you know.

And that was crazy.

He said so many things last night that they should have, for instance, the end of endless wars.

That's where their party has always been.

That's what Obama said he was going to do.

He promised it, never delivered it.

Right.

Here's a guy who actually looks like he's going to deliver it, and they are not for it.

It's crazy.

It was stunning to me, frankly.

The arrogance, you and I went through Nancy Pelosi's office and

we kind of crashed that party.

Yeah.

I mean, we didn't rifle through the desk.

You wouldn't let me, but

went through, and it was a huge party.

And her office area, I don't even know how big it actually is, but it looks as big as some people's houses.

Well, it's a large complex, but that was Paul Ryan's office just two months ago.

Right.

And John Boehner's before.

The reason why I bring it up is the arrogance, the arrogance that

people who are in Washington can gain quickly.

I mean, you come up to that office.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, you are the king of the world.

Here's something I didn't show you about the office.

That's on the second floor.

To get to the majority leader's office, you have to go to the speaker's office, get in an elevator, and go up a floor.

So nobody can go to the number two person's office without walking through the number one person's office.

Oh, my gosh.

And so

it's a way that the speaker always keeps a check on the person who's immediately below the speaker.

And there's so much power that has concentrated into the speaker's office.

This is dangerous for Congress.

Like,

I've joked that we take one vote and then we're done for two years, which is we vote for the speaker on the first day of Congress, and then the speaker calls all the shots.

It didn't used to be that way, but the speaker has all the power.

They control whether you get fundraising donations or not from the PACs.

The speaker controls whether your bills come up on the floor.

The speaker even has so much power over the committee chairman that they can tell the committee chairman, don't have a hearing on that person's bill.

And

they basically pick who's going to be on what committee.

And it didn't used to always be that way.

So last night you said something really profound to me.

You were wearing a pin, and if you happen to be watching, it's this pin.

It is

the congressional pen.

Yours is 116.

They're all numbered.

And, you know, the police move out of your way.

You are, you are the king when you have this pen.

And it's making me nervous that you're holding it and I'm not because I call it precious.

It is, too.

It is.

And

you weren't wearing it.

when I first met you last night.

And then when we started walking over the Capitol, you put it on,

and you actually apologized for putting it on.

Because when you put this pin on, it goes to your head.

And this is what happens to 434 members of the House.

The Senate has a pen too, but when you put this on, the police get out of your way.

The tourists take note.

The staffers won't speak in an elevator if they see somebody with a pin on.

And you start to feel those reactions, how people react to you.

They react to you differently, and it changes your thought process.

So just like if a Hobbit, you know, if you're a Lord of the Rings fan, when a Hobbit puts on the ring, it starts corrupting them.

And the same thing happens when you put on this congressional pin.

And so I try not to wear it.

Now, last night, there were extra guards who aren't normally at the Capitol, and I didn't want to get faceplanted into the granite.

They are were serious.

Oh,

they were.

Everywhere.

Yeah.

I mean, I don't think I've ever been to anything with so many police in Secret Service.

I mean, they were everywhere, deep.

I mean, they were lined up deep.

I got to tell you this.

So there's a designated survivor, right?

It was Rick Perry last night, I think.

Was it?

Well, as people filtered into the room, certain cabinet members, I'm not going to say who, I was like,

that's not the designated survivor.

He's here.

So he's not the designated.

I'm not going to tell you which of the cabinet members I felt that way about.

It was amazing.

I've never,

you know, because we were in, what, an hour early?

Yeah.

And so the people who are right up next, the ones who are always taking their photos with the president and everybody else,

those are not assigned seats.

You go in, anyone can sit anywhere.

Yeah, the leadership.

And so those people get in four hours ahead of time, and they have to sit there.

You can't put your name on a seat and walk away.

So there are congressmen that show up and sit down for four hours just to be in that frame with the president.

That's crazy.

That is crazy.

And so they come in.

Nancy Pelosi comes in about 45 minutes, actually, I think 30 minutes before,

and the room begins to change.

And they start to,

you know, introduce everybody.

And they, you know, here's the cabinet, and here's the Supreme Court.

And I think it's the cabinet that's introduced last,

right before the president comes in.

The vice president's been in there for half an hour.

And when I went in, I noticed that the Republicans were

typical Republicans.

You know, we were all kind of just

kind of sticking our butt kind of people, you know what I mean?

Where we were quiet and it was, it was, it was appropriate behavior.

The Democrats, especially the New Women Progressive Caucus, oh my gosh, that was like a

college party.

It was like a, to me, it felt like a reunion.

They, their attitude was they were giddy to be there.

They were taking selfies selfies all over the place.

Oh my gosh.

Now I might sneak a picture once in a while on the floor.

But I mean they were openly

posing and it was kind of like a party atmosphere over there.

Casio-Cortez took a selfie when the president was talking about the caravan on the border.

That's when she was taking a selfie.

It was unbelievable.

But the other thing I noticed is everybody says they don't like the president, okay?

But in that three-minute period, four-minute period,

before the president walks out, you could feel the room anticipate the arrival of the president.

Oh, yeah.

It got quiet.

It was,

it was just different.

You could tell.

I mean, the power of the president, even this president, who they claim to hate and have no respect for,

It changed the temperature of the room when they knew he was the next one.

Well, it's one of the cards the the president gets to play is the state of the union.

And they have to sit there and they have to be filmed when they react to the president.

Now, the Democrats will get to play their card starting today.

When I leave the studio here, I'm going to a hearing in the oversight committee that I serve on with Jim Jordan and Mark Meadows.

And that's going to be gavel to gavel, go after this administration.

And that's the card they get to play starting today.

And all those hearings, you know, for the last six years that I've been in Congress in the Oversight Committee, you couldn't find an NBC camera or a CNN camera.

There were Fox cameras.

Well, now the Fox cameras are gone, and there will be MSNBC and CNN cameras in the Oversight Committee.

And they will use that.

I sometimes call it the theater committee

because you have to muster your righteous indignation and walk in there and ask people, how could you?

When did you first know?

What were you thinking?

Right.

But that's going to be their bully pulpit now, their bully gavel, if you will.

The president addressed that, you know, investigation, investigation.

And that caucus with Ocasio-Cortez, just that, those group of people, Ocasio-Cortez turned around and shook her head like, can you believe this guy?

And smiled like, We are going to get him.

Yeah, that's unfortunate because I think he did start out with a tone

of bipartisanship and cooperation.

He said country over party.

The Democrats, after about four seconds, were shamed into standing up for that,

you know, for that statement, country over party, which I thought's something anybody could be for.

Real quick,

I want to say this to you, and it goes to the budget.

I've got about a minute.

But he was talking about the intermediate nuclear missiles, and he said, perhaps we can negotiate a different agreement adding China and others.

Perhaps we can't, which in case we will outspend and innovate all others by far.

Terrifying line.

I did not stand up and clap.

I mean, that was the model of the Soviet Union was to outspend the United States.

And they collapsed because of it.

So now the missile treaty that we have with Russia does cause us to spend more money when trying to keep up with China.

I had this explained to me when I I was in Korea last year by the generals over there.

We've got this thing that ties our hands with Russia.

We can't deploy intermediate missiles.

And so we can't even cover all of China.

But you are ⁇

you and I both were disturbed that there was no mention of $22 trillion.

None.

You did not hear anything about the debt or the deficit in this state of the union.

You're not going to hear about it in the hearings that the Democrats have.

We're going to be in the dark for two years here.

Not that we were fiscal conservatives before.

Right, right.

But this president didn't campaign on balancing the budget.

And this is the problem.

He believes in debt.

And he can get away with this because the people are not upset about the debt enough.

They should be.

I know.

Thomas, thank you so much.

Congressman Thomas Massey, really, truly one of the good guys who,

my precious, has not taken his soul yet.

You were the hottest date at the State of the Union.

Thanks for coming.

Thank you.

Appreciate it.

God bless.

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Senator Jim DeMint, welcome to the program.

How are you, sir?

Glenn, I'm doing great.

It's great to be back with you.

And I'm glad you got to experience the State of the Union in person in the gallery last night.

It's quite an experience.

Yeah, it was very, very different than what it feels like on TV.

Was that just me?

No, there's a whole lot going on, where people sit, who they sit next to, a lot of trying to rush out to do interviews afterwards.

I mean, there's just

a whole lot of things going on in addition to the president giving a speech.

All right, so Jim DeMint, chairman of the Conservative Partnership Institute.

Jim,

what was the takeaway?

Did you think anything historic happened last night?

Well, as an American, as a conservative, and as someone who values common sense, and you mentioned that right before I came on, I thought it was an

inspiring speech.

And I think also

you mentioned self-deprecating.

Trump did take it down a notch, and that's hard for him to do.

But it was very genuine in the sense of trying to get people to work together.

And if you watch closely, on a lot of points, he had the Democrats, even the women dressed in white,

were clapping with him that they could not stay in their seats for some of the things that he brought up.

So I was really proud of him.

I was proud to be an American, and I hope that a little of that will take root with both the Republicans and Democrats.

Yeah, I don't think so.

I mean, being in the room,

especially the women in white, the first row with Casio-Cortez, I mean, it was as radical as it gets.

There are radicals in

the Democratic Party now.

I mean, I saw some things that I'm going to talk about later that I was just, I was shocked by.

I did think there was a historic moment last night, and that came towards the end when

the president said,

Let me see if I can find it here.

Shoot.

I had it pulled out.

Here it is.

He said, Here in the United States, we are alarmed by new calls to adopt socialism in our country.

America was founded on liberty and independence, not government coercion, domination, and control.

We are born free and we will stay free.

Tonight, we renew our resolve that America will never be a socialist country.

It was historic to me not just because he said it, but because he felt he needed to say it and a good number of Democrats did not clap or stand for that.

You're right.

It needed to be said.

I was proud of him for saying it.

And I mean, he's willing to take issues head on, Glenn.

I mean, and you know, he brought up the life issue in a context that was better than anyone I've ever heard.

And he's not afraid to bring God into the picture.

And so to me, I mean, Trump is somewhat of an enigma if you look at,

I guess, all of his background and everything.

But I just couldn't be more inspired and proud that he is hitting the notes, the points that are so common sense to take America forward.

And

I saw some polls this morning that indicated about 75% or so approved of the speech.

And I hope if it doesn't take hold in Congress, I hope it will take hold with the people thing because what he said is very needed.

The opportunity in front of us and the energy field and the move ahead with our economy is real.

None of this was make-believe.

The statistics about how the last two years have gone economically and the things that have been accomplished are real, but they're just the tip of the iceberg.

Imagine what we could do if Congress could work together.

I was,

again,

shocked at how the Democrats reacted to those job numbers.

He said on Friday, it was announced that we added another 304,000 jobs last month alone, double what was expected.

An economic miracle is taking place in the United States, and the only thing that can stop us are foolish wars, politics, or ridiculous partisan investigations.

First of all, when they

when he talked about the numbers of Hispanics and African-American and women in the workforce,

they did not react well to that.

And I was shocked.

How do you not stand and applaud that?

That's a victory for all of us.

But then when he ended it...

Go ahead.

No, I'm just saying the Democrats, the left are building their whole platform on victims.

And when the president breaks that paradigm and talks about policies that help minorities, that move our country forward, and more than anything, the president is taking the working-class Americans, even union members, away from the Democrats.

And they're having to, I mean, they're going apoplectic, as you can see.

They're moving to the left.

I just hope not much of the country will follow them.

I can't imagine doing that, but the facts don't matter to the left.

And that means the media as well.

So the ability of the American people to know what the president said last night, I'm sure a few million watched it, but most will know what he said by the way the media interprets and reports it.

So, we've got a lot of work to do to just help America understand that

the free enterprise, common sense, traditional value policies make their life better.

And I'm committed to that.

I know you are.

And I'm just pretty excited that we've got a president who's willing to tackle these things head on.

So, Jim, tell people what you're doing now.

Because you were at the Heritage Foundation.

You were a senator and one of the best in the Tea Party era.

You were one of the first adopters

and

you were looking for help.

And you saw the Tea Party as the Calvary, I think.

But then you went to the Heritage Foundation and now you're a Conservative Partnership Institute.

Explain what that is and what you do.

Well, Glenn, what I've seen is groups, movements like the Tea Party can help elect mass waves of good people, but then the swap, the establishment, even the Republican Party tears them down.

I left Heritage to build an organization that supports conservatives on the inside of Congress and inside the government, the administration.

So what we do at the Conservative Partnership, we get congressmen and senators together, develop camaraderie, help them develop consensus.

We do a lot of staff training so that when good people come, they don't end up with bad staff that's steering them in the wrong direction.

And that happens 80% of the time.

So we've got a job bank.

We try to get good people around good people and just get them together.

I mean, the place isolates you, it carves you out of the herd, and then before you know it, you're just part of the wallpaper up there.

And I've just seen so many people that I helped elect just go the wrong way.

And so my commitment for rest of my time is just to build a support system that gets the backs of the people who are trying to do the right thing.

Jim, I will tell you that

I rode the tram for the first time in the tunnels underneath.

And

it's like 1962 Disneyland.

It's bizarre and surreal.

This little tram that takes senators and House members to the Capitol, which is literally a block and a half away

but it takes them you know for about a three or four minute ride on this tram

and then I went upstairs and I was in Nancy Pelosi's office for a few minutes and I saw the the unbelievable shin dig that was going on

in in her office and

the the detachment and I almost I mean you know me Jim I love the Secret Service I almost came to fisticuffs with a Secret Service agent last night.

I mean,

I have never been offended by a Secret Service agent before.

And I had a stare-down after like a fourth encounter with this guy

because

he kept telling me, stop taking notes during the State of the Union in the gallery.

And first of all, the rules also state that no applause in the gallery.

So I think we were letting go of the rules.

And

I went in.

I could not have a cell phone.

I wasn't supposed to have anything that could record anything.

No communication devices.

And yet, here was Congress beneath us.

And

they were taking selfies.

They were on their Facebook pages.

They were surfing the web.

They were talking during this thing.

They were booing and hissing.

And this guy comes to me and says, don't take notes.

And I thought, all I could think of was, these people work for me and everybody else in the gallery.

You shouldn't be worried about us.

You should be worried about them.

Why am I the outcast here?

I just had a real problem how flipped the system is.

Well, well, they make the rules, but they don't expect to follow them, and that's part of

it.

They're kind of looking down on the rest of us.

Not all of them are that way.

No, no, I know that.

Not all of them to cause distress.

And

maybe it's always been that way.

But

anyway, I'm glad you got a chance to experience.

The Secret Service, by and large, are overworked and others.

They're great.

They're great.

No, they're great.

But they don't apply the rules equally.

I can tell you that.

Yeah,

and I will tell you that I did ask for forgiveness

in my prayers at night when I got back because I shouldn't have, I mean, I got into a stare-down with it.

It was not pretty.

not one of my finer moments.

And I should apologize to him.

If I had his name, I would apologize to him, but

I just couldn't take these ridiculous rules on the people and none on them.

Jim, thank you so much.

God bless you.

God bless the work that you're doing.

You can follow Jim DeMint at JimDeMint.

Thank you so much, Jim.

We'll talk to you again later.

This is the best of the Glenn Beck program.

We welcome to our studios in Washington, D.C., Senator Mike Lee.

How are you, Senator?

Doing great.

It's good to be with you, Glenn.

Yeah, so I was in the gallery last night.

It takes on, the State of the Union takes on a different feel when you're actually there.

It does.

Absolutely.

Electric.

And last night was no exception.

Yeah, and I was, I wouldn't necessarily call it electric, but

sitting up in the gallery, I was facing the president.

I was a 50-yard line facing the president.

I could see what everybody was doing with their cell phones, and I could see who was engaged, who wasn't.

There needs to be a camera from behind

and focused on

all of the senators and all of the House members because it really takes on a different view when you're watching who's telling who what and who's whispering something and how they're really reacting and when they're taking selfies at really inappropriate times.

It was amazing.

I can imagine.

I'd like to sit up there sometime just to get that perspective.

It was amazing.

I thought the speech last night may have, definitely the best speech I think I've heard him give.

And I think it may be one of the most inspiring speeches I've heard in

a State of the Union.

I'm trying to remember Bush maybe after 9-11, but I don't think so.

I think you go back to Reagan on that soaring kind of this is who we are kind of thing.

Yeah, I think that's right.

This is the best state of the union I've heard in a long time, certainly been since I've been in office and really for quite a while before then.

He knocked it out of the park.

It was terrific.

What are you expecting out of this?

Anything?

First of all, was there anything historic that happened last night that he said or

anything historic?

Yes.

Here's what I think is the single most historic takeaway.

When the President of the United States said, hey, you know, we should be concerned about the killing of babies who have been born and are breathing.

And virtually half of the chamber and the House of Representatives, half of the senators, virtually half of the representatives sat there, silent, stone-faced, refusing to respond in any way.

That was historic, not necessarily in a good way, but it was historic nonetheless.

It's a chilling reminder of how far our government has drifted from what normal people of ordinary moral sensibilities know is right.

I think they are so far out of touch with the Democrats in the heartland, the Democrats around the country, at least the Democrats that I know.

And I don't think the Democrats

really understand how radical these people really are.

And I tell you, Mike, I look at this every day and I talk about the radicals.

I've been talking about the socialists for a long time.

I don't think I really realized how radical they were until I sat in in that chamber last night and I watched them react when the cameras were not on them.

They mocked, they laughed,

they poked at each other.

It was almost like a college reunion

atmosphere.

And when he was talking about serious, serious issues,

the border issue and the caravan, they mocked him the whole time in the chamber.

When he talked about abortion and what was happening,

they were poking each other and

rolling their eyes at each other.

It was obscene.

And I think if the average Democrat would have sat where I was sitting last night, I think they would have realized, oh, these people.

I mean, the mask is fully off when they don't think the cameras are there.

And I actually felt bad for you and the president and everybody else

that goes into this every day because you're not dealing with honest brokers.

You're not dealing with people who are who they say they are.

That's exactly right.

Setting aside for a minute those who would consider themselves Republicans or libertarians or even independents, just the rank-and-file Democrat out there, I think has got to be a little bit shocked by this, more than a little bit shocked.

Because when it was about them, they were celebrating.

When the cameras were on them, they were cheering or doing whatever they could to draw attention to themselves.

It was about them.

When it was about the most vulnerable among us, babies who have been born, who are in the most defenseless, vulnerable position imaginable, they sat there stone-cold silence, and their silence was deafening on that day.

It was, you know, I think there was a turning point, and it was a warning, I think, to the American people and to Democrats, but they missed it

when we heard

the Democratic Party at their convention deny God three times.

Remember that vote?

And I thought it was significant that they took three votes and they denied him three times.

Maybe they'll be like Peter and repent later and decide maybe we shouldn't have done that.

Right.

So I thought that was an important turning point, but that was a turning point for if you were religious, you know, that meant something to you.

But this is the fruit of that tree.

And when they denied that a baby born

should be saved, when they denied that that was life that was worth preserving, a baby, not we're not talking, we're not even talking in the womb.

We're talking now been born and

is disabled or they tried to kill it through abortion or just minutes before their birth.

It's obscene.

And when they didn't stand for that, and when the President of the United States has to say, we are disturbed by the growth of socialism

and

this country will never be socialist, four years ago, they were mocking anyone who said they were socialist.

Now they didn't clap or stand to say, yeah, you're right, America's never going to go socialist.

They were not happy with that.

And look, Lenn, I avoid avoid ad hitlerum references like the plague.

I do too, if I only knew what ad Hitler...

Or Hitlerian?

References

to Adolf Hitler.

Okay, Hitler.

I avoid that like the plague.

Yeah.

But at some point in a society, the minute we start talking about killing those who we're not willing to recognize as people, and in this case, a breathing, breathing, living human being who has been born, we need to ask ourselves, how did we get here?

And how do we get out of this situation?

How do we make sure that those people are protected?

That's just wrong.

I keep, when I woke up this morning, I kept thinking, maybe there was a misunderstanding.

Maybe that side of the aisle couldn't hear the audio feed.

Maybe they misunderstood him.

I would like to believe that there was some misunderstanding that can explain this.

There wasn't.

If not.

Oh, we've got a big problem on our hands.

I don't think it's with the American people because I don't think the American people are with them.

Well, but I think it's with those who have been elected and those who were in that chamber last night.

Let me give you, Let me give you

some perspective.

I gave a speech, I don't even remember where it was, about seven years ago.

And I had done research

on the most vulnerable among us and how Hitler

got there.

How did you get to the gas chamber?

How did you take a good group of people?

Germans were not bad.

They were a lot like us.

I mean, we were a very Germanic nation, especially back then.

They loved their families.

Yeah.

They took care of their own children, traditional pets, their neighbors.

Yeah.

How did that happen?

So I started doing research, and it started with a baby called Baby Now.

It started out as compassion.

And

long story short, they started killing the most vulnerable.

They started killing babies.

But

when they did it, you had to have three signatures from three different doctors.

And all the way to the end of the war, you still had to have three signatures.

We've just reduced that to one.

Even the Nazis said three signatures are required for the death of an individual.

The next thing that happened, this is very early, they start killing these babies, just like we're now talking about.

They start killing these babies.

The German people find out.

Now, these are the people who voted for Hitler.

They voted for Hitler, and they were all socialists.

The people stood up and pushed back.

It's the only time that I can find where they really pushed back and got Hitler to change, at least on the surface.

And they pushed back and they stood up in such force that they said,

this is not us.

That Hitler had to give a speech where he said, you're exactly right.

We're going to stop this.

I'm stopping this immediately.

And that's when it went undercover.

And he started the T4 program where where they just hid it from the people.

But even the people who voted for Hitler stood up.

Where are we, Mike?

I hope we are those people who will push back and who will say this is not okay.

There are some things that our laws should prohibit.

One of the most fundamental rules of any civilized society is that we prohibit the unlawful taking of a human life.

So just to be clear, again, here, we are not talking in this instance about abortion.

You and I both have views on abortion abortion that are different from what many Democrats in this country think.

We are talking here about a child who has been born, who has taken his or her first breath.

If we, the people, stand up strongly to our own government and make clear to our society we want to protect these individuals, which I believe the overwhelming majority of Americans, Republicans, Democrats, and everything else believes,

then I think we can stand up for life here.

So

the problem is,

and I saw it with these radicals in the Progressive Women's Caucus last night.

They mock it and they roll their eyes when you bring it up.

And what you're seeing on social media is that the Democrats are saying they're lying to you.

That's not what we're talking about.

They're lying to you.

We're talking about just cleaning up some language,

old language.

There's nothing new in these bills.

And they are denying it to their own people.

And because we're so polarized, the left is believing

their own

people who are lying to them.

But this, Glenn, is the kind of legal issue where one need not get wrapped around the axle.

In other words, this is the kind of legal issue where definitions can remain simple.

The English used can be plain.

And where we can make clear, if what you're talking about is terminating a pregnancy, there is a different way of phrasing that.

But if you're talking about wanting to make sure that you can kill a human life after that human has been born and taken its first breath, that's something terrible.

This is why Patty Murray in the Senate was so shameful because she stood up after Ben Sasse said, we just want, you cannot kill a baby after birth.

You can't do it.

And she said, this is such a sham.

This is not what that bill means, and so I'm stopping the vote.

Well, why would you do do that?

If that's not what it means, you would stand up and say that's not what it means, and to prove it, let's take this vote because we're all against it, too.

That's exactly right, and that's one of the reasons why we've got to keep pushing for a vote on Ben Sasse's bill.

Ben is a hero for bringing this issue forward, for filing that legislation, and I think we need to pass it.

In order to pass it, we've got to continue to demand, insist on a vote over and over and over again, because this is what it means.

It means exactly what it says it means.

There is no ambiguity in that bill and we need to pass it.

Okay, I've only got about a minute here before I have to take a break.

Let me ask you this last question.

I believe the president is going to go for the national emergency thing and do something

to get something on the border.

What does that mean?

Is that even constitutional?

Whether he has authority to do this depends on what the source of his authority is.

Under a line of cases called Youngstown Sheet and Tube versus Sawyer and Dames and Moore v.

Reagan, we have to look at whether or not there's a statute that designates, that authorizes the president to take a particular action.

Is there one?

I think there might be.

If he chooses to take the appropriate path, I think the most defensible path for him to do that is found in Title 10 of the U.S.

Code, 10 U.S.C., Section 284B7.

What that says essentially is.

I love you.

Well, hey, you know, I know that's what you do, and I love

Alpine, Utah.

We speak of little else.

This says basically that the president may establish a fence along an international boundary where necessary to stop the unlawful international trafficking of drugs.

That, to me, appears to be pretty clear, appears to give him pretty clear authority.

If he uses that, I think he's on fairly solid ground.

I'd still rather it go through Congress, but if he wants to use executive authority, that is one of the better places to look.

Are you advising him on this at all?

No, I'm not.

The White House has, I've reached out to the White House multiple times.

They're keeping their own counsel on this.

Okay.

I'm sure they've got their reasons for doing that, but

we'll see what happens.

Mike, thank you so much for everything that you do.

And everybody I talked to last night were fans of yours.

You're one of the few that are really fighting the good fight and are not

haven't changed.

And I appreciate that.

God bless you.

Thank you, Glenn.

Thank you.

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