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Well, the nastiness of the 2020 presidential election is already rearing its ugly head.

And I do mean ugly because it got ugly for one person, one presidential hopeful, a good weekend and a bad weekend for the same person.

We begin there in one minute.

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I want to play some audio here of Kamala Harris,

where she said, we are better than this.

This is her first 2020 rally.

20,000 people showed up for for her rally.

Here's Kamala Harris.

We are here at this moment in time because we must answer a fundamental question:

Who are we?

Who are we as Americans?

So

let's answer that question

to the world

and each other

right here and right now.

America, we are better than this.

20,000 people showing up.

She is going to be a real contender.

I think she is a danger because she is

not only is she very, very, very, very left, but she also

is.

Is not somebody who looks like, I am Spartacus.

She seems genuine.

Now,

games are part of the overall strategy.

Willie Brown came out.

He was former San Francisco mayor, Willie Brown, known for his, you know, outlandish outfits and his extramarital relations.

He penned a letter now for the San Francisco Chronicle.

And what was the title?

Sure, I dated Kamala Harris, so what?

Oh, boy.

Well, for one, you were married at the time, Willie.

But even if we look beyond that,

it is clear that Harris would not be where she is today, a presidential hopeful, without dating a politically powerful man.

Brown wrote, I have been peppered with calls from the national media about my relationship with Kamala Harris, particularly since it became obvious that she was going to run for president.

Most of them I have not returned.

Yes, we dated.

It was more than 20 years ago.

In a 2003 interview, Harris said of Brown, his career is over.

I will be alive and kicking for the next 40 years.

I don't owe him a thing, she said in the San Francisco Weekly.

If there is corruption, it will be prosecuted.

So we're now playing a game between these two, I think.

Brown thought very highly of Harris.

He gave her a brand new BMW.

I mean, that doesn't happen all the time.

No one's ever given me a BMW.

Right.

Well, you don't run in these circles, Stu.

You know, politicians, they've got money coming out their wazoo.

And, you know, when when you're a politician, you clearly can buy people BMWs and give them as gifts.

Oh, yeah, that's what government works all about, Glenn.

He said, yes, I may have influenced her career.

This is in the letter.

I may have influenced her career by appointing her to two state commissions when I was an assembly speaker.

And I certainly helped her in her first race for district attorney in San Francisco.

I also helped in the careers of Nancy Pelosi and Gavin Newsom and Diane Feinstein and a host of other politicians.

The difference is that Harris is the only one who, after I helped her, sent word that I would be indicted if I so much as jaywalked while she was DA.

That's politics for you.

So

as much as people think this is bad, I actually think this is good.

I think it's good for this reason.

You want your skeletons out of the closet.

You want them out really early.

And so what did he do?

He said, yeah, I had an affair.

Now, everybody, if you don't kept that quiet and you kept trying to push that down,

then it's a problem.

Here's Kamala Harris staying out of it.

She's doing a big 20,000-person

event.

At the same time, an old lover, an old mentor, a guy who was in the power power structure above her.

Think of this.

How could she be part of a women's movement when this guy helped her?

Well,

hmm.

What did he just say?

I helped a lot of people, but she was the only one that said if I jaywalk, she'd indict me.

So she takes no prisoners, even somebody she was having an affair with, and he was giving her cars.

It gets the secret out.

It will be a day story if that, and she looks tough.

I think this works well for her.

It probably does.

I mean, the story, I mean, it was somewhat public at the time that she was having an affair, but it's been long, you know, it's long forgotten history, and it's kind of being dredged up.

He was 60 and she was 30 at the time.

Introdigent.

Yeah.

The Me Too thing is an interesting angle on this that you bring up because

we talked to a couple people back when the Me Too thing was kind of at its peak.

And women who were saying, you know, yes, it's completely wrong if a man demands sexual favors and

threatens to ruin her career if she says no.

Similarly,

if a woman is using her sexuality to gain advantages, which by the way does occasionally occur, or not even sexuality, tempting, flirting, you know, dressing in a particular way to try to get an advantage, then that should be something that women are willing to stand up and say, yeah, we should stop doing this as well.

Now, you know, there's no evidence per se that this was a Kamala Harris plan to get her career escalated, but it's hard to imagine that she, you know, I mean, as he points out, he helped her and they were dating, right?

So there was an advantage she received at some level because of a relationship like that.

And it's an interesting dynamic to push against this whole me too thing.

We would say here, right, that the current narrative is if a man is even

shows mild interest in an underling in this sort of way, he should be thrown out of society.

And now, as one of the people in the relationship is admitting, this basically helped her escalate her career.

So how do we look at that?

Should we dissolve that relationship in our minds and give her no advantage for that whatsoever?

Or should we admit basically what they're admitting?

It's a tough line for someone who's trying to walk the me too and I'm a self-empowered woman of all yeah I'm not sure how you're supposed to walk that line with if you're that here's how I walk that line I don't care

I don't care I mean I care about the adultery just as much as I care about the adultery with this president and any other president

but I don't really care I don't care that whoa what a surprise wait

somebody might be giving special favors and BMWs BMWs

to an underling that he wants to have a relationship with.

What a surprise.

Yeah, that sucks in politics.

What a surprise.

What a surprise that a woman might want to have a relationship with somebody who can help her career.

What a surprise.

What a surprise if neither of those happened and they were actually deeply, madly in love with each other and they were just having sex and it just happened to work out that she was the best person for the jobs that, you know, the city would try to...

It doesn't matter.

Right.

You, however, are not a Democratic primary voter.

For example, another part of this is Kamala Harris is a prosecutor, right?

And she was known, as you kind of saw with the I'll indict you if you jaywalk type of thing.

She was known as being relatively, at least for California, a tough prosecutor, put a lot of people,

you know,

held them accountable for their actions, as they would say.

Well, you'll notice that that's not exactly a popular position in the Democratic Party, especially in the primary.

I mean, when you put criminals behind bars, they protest.

I mean, they'll run

campaigns to try to free people who killed FBI agents.

Like, this is not a crew that's like looking for extra prison time.

And this is one of the things she's going to be, it's a challenge for her in the Democratic Party because she's put prisoners behind bars, and the Democrats don't tend to like that all that much.

However, it's a benefit for her in general because people who are not won over by her socialism see, oh, at least she's tough on crime.

And that's one of the arguments for her in the general.

And that is the biggest thing.

How will she do in the general?

I don't think Democrats, Democrats, not the diehards, Democrats won't care.

They just want someone to beat Donald Trump.

You have to remember that the left views Donald Trump the way the right viewed Hillary Clinton.

You can't believe she's still around.

You can't believe she's not gotten caught for all those murders that the Clintons did.

Right.

Okay.

Every crazy thing you ever heard about Hillary and all the crazy things you heard about Hillary that were true

and false, it's the same thing.

So they're motivated.

They will pick anyone that they think can win in the general election to stop Trump.

And so I don't think they'll care about

her being tough on crime because they will know in the general election, that will help her.

I think she is a very dangerous candidate for Donald Trump.

And we'll get more to that here in just a second.

And the shutdown.

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It's over.

So what happened?

And what should we do?

That's coming up in one minute.

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So I think the case for privatization of the federal government can be made right now

unlike we've ever had the opportunity before.

I think people on both sides feel that the shutdown was wrong to make people come in and work without pay.

That's just unreasonable.

No other entity in America could get away with that except for the federal government.

The federal government should not be able, they have no rights that the people don't have.

So I don't have the right to tell everybody, oh, by the way, you have to come in to work even though I'm not paying you.

I don't have that right.

Wasn't there an amendment to the Constitution that kind of covered this sort of behavior of working for no money somewhere.

14, maybe somewhere like that.

I don't have the right to tell people, I'm not paying you right now, but you have to come in to work.

The government does not have any right that you don't have yourself.

We lend the rights that we have to the government to do things we don't have time for.

So negotiate for a budget.

We don't have time to do that, to study all the ins and outs.

That's why we hire a representative.

So

they have the right to negotiate a budget because we do.

They do not have the right to enslave people.

And it's wrong.

And the way to get around this is privatization and

we're one of the last countries to do this

the rest of the world has gone to private air air traffic controllers and we are stuck in an old soviet kind of of uh situation and uh jason uh buttrill has been with us and he has been um uh researching specifically margaret thatcher's approach because she changed england for the better when she was in and she privatized a lot of stuff.

She had to step in, right?

You know, they were still on a system like post-World War II, where the country had already nationalized everything.

And that was also part of a plan, like socialized healthcare.

All that stuff was to, you know, in a sense, to gain control over their people.

And they nationalized everything: steel, not only, you know, healthcare, the rail system, everything was nationalized.

But when Margaret Thatcher came in and started privatizing after 1979, listen to

some of these numbers.

So after she had gotten done doing everything she had done,

50% of their telecommunications fees dropped.

50%.

They went down by 50% after privatization.

Their industrial, their gas, energy, all that electricity went down 50%.

25% of the gas that they were using in residential homes,

that went down.

Everything started going down.

Efficiency started going up.

I mean, the results speak for themselves.

Since Margaret Thatcher, over 100 countries, minus the United States, have followed it in her footsteps.

It has accounted for $3.3 trillion in revenue.

But for some reason, we continue to let government hold us by this leash.

It's absolutely insane.

You know, you know this because you look at security all the time.

The best airports for security all have one thing in common.

All the best airports in America that are the best consistently in security have what in common, Jason?

Their own security, private security?

Private security.

You don't have to have TSA.

Your town can say, we're going to do this ourselves.

And the ones that the FBI and our special forces that go out and try to trick the airports, the ones that catch most of the

fake bombs and everything else are all the private security airports, not TSA.

You get better product.

You get a bigger savings.

You're not, when the government shuts down, essential services don't have to go away.

You don't, it's unreasonable to ask people like air traffic controllers who already have the most stressful job, I think in the nation, one of them, to come in and work for free.

It's not right.

Yeah, the air traffic control specifically, I'm glad you brought that up because this is an absolute embarrassment what's happened to our air traffic control because it's under the federal government.

Again, this isn't done in places like Canada, places like that, but it's done here.

I was, We're going to go through all of this tonight on your TV show, but what's happening to air traffic control is an absolute travesty.

Do you know

they're still operating under old technology, like old radar, voice, audio?

There's things out there they're not using, like satellite-based navigation, stuff like that, that they're just not using.

Why?

Because of politics.

Because bureaucracy steps in every single time and slows things down.

We're telling these guys to operate under those stressful conditions, but we're not giving them the tools to actually do it because of politics.

That's insane.

Would Google or would it actually, would Elon Musk let this happen?

No.

Would he let his company at SpaceX or Tesla operate under last generation's technology?

No.

No.

Imagine how good it could be today if we unleash them, but we're not doing it.

It's absolutely insane.

So tonight, we're going to take a look at the shutdown and what should actually, what conservatives should be pushing for.

In fact, what all Americans should be pushing for.

And that is a privatization and, I say, a new law that makes it unlawful to ask anyone to come into work without getting paid.

So in other words,

if you are an essential employee, you should get paid to go into work.

Now, we just passed that, and there's all kinds of loopholes in that that have taken the teeth out of the next shutdown.

And it's the power structure passing things for their, you know, for their own benefit.

What really needs to happen is

a privatization effort for all of these essential services because there's no reason

the market is much better, especially when it comes to technology, than the federal government is.

We're going to go actually line by line and say,

especially for President Trump, hope he's listening to this, because we're going to show them every single company he could privatize today and save billions.

And actually, we're going to wipe out the entire federal debt.

We're going to make the country $128 trillion richer overnight.

Guaranteed, if he does this.

$128 trillion.

Okay,

that's on to tonight's program.

So he's not doing a State of the Union address.

Not yet.

He will be eventually.

Yes, but he's not going to be doing it tomorrow.

That's when it was scheduled.

What did we get out of this?

I want to talk to Stu and to Pat about

what did we get out of this?

What was accomplished, if anything?

Mitch McConnell said, that's a huge loss for the Republicans.

Thank you, Mitch.

Thank you for that.

Did we make any progress?

What did we get?

How is Donald Trump's real polls?

What does this mean for 2020?

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Was there anything?

We'll come back on the other side and let you know.

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There is something that I want to invite you to if you have time today.

There is a Vietnam War veteran who died in Texas.

He is going to be buried at Central State, Central Texas State Veterans Cemetery in Killeen.

Where is Killeen, Pat?

Do you know?

Texas.

Thank you.

It's in Texas.

All right, good.

Well, it's a small state, so you should be able to find it.

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Oh, good.

I hate to see somebody buried.

It's in, not to be facetious, it's in central Texas.

I just don't know exactly the dimensions from here.

Yeah, okay.

Now, there's something else.

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You hear from us all the time.

I want to hear from you.

The president did the brave thing, shut down the federal government, shut it down longer than anyone else in history, tried to negotiate with the Democrats.

I think he would have negotiated just about pretty much anything to get that border wall.

They wouldn't negotiate.

The press obviously does what the press does.

The numbers seem to be going down for the president.

This seems to be a very bad thing, numbers-wise.

And he caved on Friday.

Did he do the right thing?

Are you happy with shutting down of the government?

And are you happy with the opening of the government?

Should one of those things not have happened?

Either opening it back up and still continue to play that game or not?

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Was this a win or a loss?

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I want to take a few phone calls here after we talk to Pat.

Pat,

on your plate today.

Well, we obviously talked about the president and opening back up the government for three weeks.

This would be kind of a novel idea.

What if, and I know this is going way out on a limb,

what if we had

a budget as a nation?

Rather than going without a budget for the last 10

years,

what would happen if the United States of America had a budget that lasted all year and then the next year they did another budget and it lasted the whole year?

Then we wouldn't be in this shutdown cycle all the time.

What if, rather than continuing resolutions, they actually fix the problem?

Wouldn't that be nice?

Has that happened in U.S.

history, a budget?

It has, yeah.

Really?

Yeah, not for 10 years, but there was a time

during Barack Obama.

Oh, it did.

Yeah.

Stopped during Barack Obama.

That's obviously Donald Trump.

And once you, no, once you start something, once once you give the permission to the kids in the candy store, okay, this time you can take the candy, they'll always take the candy.

You'll never stop them taking the candy.

They just keep taking the candy.

We're never going to get a budget ever again.

Probably not.

I mean, that's the way it looks.

Yeah, I don't think we will.

Nobody's even talking about a budget anymore.

No.

Nobody even mentions it.

Remember, too, Barack Obama had not only the control the Republicans have had the past few years, but also a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate for a while.

And still that was still an issue.

And you know what?

He's getting, he's he's getting, may I change the subject slightly and then come back.

He's getting, everybody's talking about the

shutdown and did he win or lose.

And nobody's really talking about something that

he has proposed and I think is the biggest national security story since the Cold War.

And he's getting hammered as, oh, look at him being America first.

He is urging countries and companies to not buy any technology from the Chinese for the 5G network.

And it's the most important thing.

If they have access to the 5G network, if we are on their spine, they have

straight access to everything online.

Everything.

Every phone call.

I mean, you think the NSA is bad?

What do you think China is going to be doing with all that?

And they're trying to build the spine with their equipment, and America is saying to the West, don't do it.

And I think this is the biggest story out there, and nobody's talking about it because we're too busy talking about politics.

We're too busy talking about...

I mean, is there any reason

why the Democrats wouldn't negotiate other than

they just don't want to negotiate with him and they're setting up for the next

election?

They saw it as a political win, right?

They saw it as they were in a better position because Trump had already said it was his shutdown.

He was going to, it was, you know, it was his responsibility.

So they knew they could just sit there and have the networks constantly parrot that until it was over and his numbers were falling.

And, you know, it seems like he, you know, there was some, somebody in the White House felt the pressure of that, or some people are saying it was the Senate.

I guess you had mentioned McConnell maybe saying that behind the scenes.

And so they

fold.

I mean, it was a fold, right?

I mean, don't I didn't get anything out of it.

No.

They didn't there was nothing this was the Democrats proposed offer to open the thing for three weeks

the bad thing is he didn't

not only did we not get anything out of it

He didn't even get a message out to the American people You know if if he would have done the State of the Union tomorrow and and made strategic choices and said, I'm going to do it down at the border and I know they say well, no, no news network would have covered it.

It's history.

It's history.

It would have been in the news cycle.

It's history.

If he would have gone in and gone at the invitation of the Senate, it's history.

And if the Senate would have invited him, then I think they would have covered it.

But it would have gotten out because it would have been such a big deal.

And if he would have said, then, look, here's the deal.

They're shutting everything down.

They don't want us.

They are agents of chaos.

And so tomorrow I will open, but I am going to open it up for three weeks because that's what they said they needed to be able to negotiate.

So I'm opening up for three weeks.

But if this is just another game and they're not offering anything, I'll close it back down.

I don't think he will.

Close it back down?

I don't think he's going to go back.

I don't think he will, though.

He'll instead declare national emergency and try to build a statement.

That is worse.

And that's worse.

Yeah.

But what are you going to do?

But what are you going to do?

Well, they're losing the messaging,

as Republicans always do, because they don't know what to do.

And they're continually losing the messaging.

And they don't know how, apparently, to talk to the American people.

They got nobody who can communicate these things.

And so you've got all of these socialists in the Democrat Party who are the biggest extremists I've ever seen in American history.

who are calling the Republicans the extremists, and they're just taking it.

I thought of that.

How is it possible?

I thought of that today.

I see Ocasio-Cortez and the way she's being treated.

And then I thought of Michelle Bachman.

She was the most extreme woman

ever.

They thought.

Right?

Yeah.

And she was nothing.

And you know what?

Nothing in comparison to Ocasio-Cortez.

And she was a constitutionalist.

But look at how they treated her.

Like garbage.

And what's even more amazing is that they're getting away with this as we've got the perfect example of what happens to socialist nations unfolding before our very eyes.

We have a country, Venezuela, that was the fourth most prosperous on earth.

It was the second most prosperous nation in the Western Hemisphere behind only us.

It was ahead of Australia, Canada, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, France.

It was ahead of all of Europe.

The only nations that were ahead of it in GDP per capita were, okay, a couple of one nation in Europe, Switzerland.

So it was the U.S., Switzerland, New Zealand, then Venezuela.

So what happened?

Well,

in 1999, along came Hugo Chavez, and he promised Venezuelans a socialist paradise.

And his motto was Esperanza y Gambio,

hope and change.

And that's exactly what he delivered.

He delivered,

he crushed all hope and he brought about change.

They went from wealthiest to a failed nation in just a very short time.

And as we're watching that unfold, Democrats are getting away with calling

being a billionaire immoral and talking about redistributing wealth.

Elizabeth Warren is talking about asset forfeiture for wealthy people.

I mean, these are Marxists.

These are communists, and they're getting away with it.

And I don't know if you saw Kamala Harris's

rally, 20,000 people.

I think she has a chance of being the opposite of Trump.

And unfortunately, whatever is the opposite of Trump that people think can win on the left, they will run.

And so you're going to most likely have somebody much more

dangerous to the Constitution than Donald Trump.

And then what do we run?

If they win, then what do we run?

I mean, we're just, we have to stop this cycle and stop and look at our principles.

And our principles are

being flushed down the toilet.

And the next one to flush them are going to be the Democrats.

And they don't have a lot of Democratic principles in Washington as it is.

I mean,

what are their principles?

I'm okay okay with killing anyone at any age.

Yes.

I mean, it's terrifying, which I'm going to get into at the top of the hour.

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Pat, thank you so much.

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By the way, on these calls, Glenn,

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And so I don't know.

Is that real?

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Are you like really annoyed that Trump kind of folded on this?

Sometimes when you have 2-7-off suit, you should fold, right?

I mean, so maybe it's a good fold.

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I am, you know, I'm torn on it because I didn't think we were going to make any progress on it.

And so I was kind of hoping against hope that the president would kick in and give a very moving example and

use this

to his advantage.

But I don't think we were going that way.

When he canceled the State of the Union, my hopes were kind of dashed that we were going to make anything out of it.

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I want to take a lot of people as fast as I possibly can.

Just to get a temperature read from the audience on how you feel about the government shutdown and reopening.

Is it good?

Was it bad?

Your thoughts from Jesse in California first.

Jesse, go ahead.

Yes, one.

Yes.

Win or loss?

Loss.

I wish he would have stayed fast at what he started.

And

push comes to shove.

If after another three weeks of the shutdown, if he would have went to a state of emergency, I would have been okay with that.

Okay, let me go to Eric in South Carolina.

Eric, what are your thoughts?

Overall, I guess a loss on just the whole thing, but I feel like reopening it was a more presidential and more mature act to do when you're facing off with these Democrats who will not negotiate.

All right, Mike

in California.

Go ahead.

Yeah, I glanced as Mike in California.

Yes.

Yes, sir.

Listen,

I'm kind of torn.

First of all, Trump makes people show their cards.

The Democrats, they're Democratic.

Geez, I'm sorry.

That's okay.

Relect, are you there?

Oh, and he got frustrated.

Anthony gave up on talking.

He was interested.

Or he may have thought he lost us.

Anthony, go ahead.

Hey, Glenn, yeah, I think it's a short-term loss.

However, Trump's three steps ahead of all these professional politicians, and this is a long long game for him.

And three weeks from now, I think he's going to offer something different, spin this around and throw it back in their faces, and I think it becomes a win eventually for him.

He's always been for three years ahead of these guys.

All right.

Greg in Vermont.

Yes.

Well, I think that Trump actually won big time with this by showing that the Dems won't negotiate and that they are actually for

all the criminals coming in and the drugs coming in on the southern border.

Thank you, Greg.

I wonder if it's been seen that way because of the mainstream media, however.

Jeremy, because I see it that way.

Jeremy.

Mr.

Beck.

Yes.

Yes, Mr.

Becks.

Yes, sir.

I would have to say it was a loss for everybody.

I mean, if you're a mid-range on the fence or if you're a Trump supporter, I mean, I think that, you know, everybody was just deflated by that.

You know,

you're a worker, you do these things, and, you know, they keep giving this stuff out, and they don't want to do anything to fix it.

And I think that all Americans are frustrated.

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You know, know, it's all politics.

It's not really real.

And Trump Fulton, I kind of think, just solidified that for a lot of Americans that voted for him or were on the fence.

If they were, you know, Democrats, vice versa.

Yep.

I think you're right, Jeremy.

I think we all lost Democrats and Republicans on this.

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Patricia Adamas

has

has a son, David.

He suffered a stroke

on New Year's Eve.

He was transported to the emergency department.

This is a guy who was just wildly alive.

He was taken to ICU

and he became comatose.

13 days later,

they say he's brain dead, he's unresponsive, and we're going to cut off all of his food and his water and his breathing tube.

I have wrestled with this for a very long time, starting with Terry Shivo.

And

this is wrong to do to people, and we must not go down this road.

Patricia Adamas, the mother, is on the phone with us now.

She's going in in just a few minutes to to meet with the hospital and get an update and plead the case to please don't kill her son.

And I so appreciate her being on the phone with us now.

Patricia, how are you?

I'm really, it's a very difficult time.

Patricia, tell us,

they

didn't really consult with you guys, did they?

When they started to just cut off his food and water?

That's correct.

They did not.

Tell me what happened

at that time, and is he responsive at all?

Because I understand he, when you're talking to him, when family members talk to him, he is moving.

Yeah, so it was a surprise initially.

The first question, it was a surprise.

We weren't informed that they were going to stop food.

Everything was done, you know, and a discovery of, well, surprise, there's no hydration.

There's no, you know, we're not going to continue.

So it was

a surprise and shock, surprise and shock, which was very difficult, let alone to deal with everything that was happening in the hospital.

And I'm sorry, forgive me.

What was your second question?

That it was a surprise and also,

is he responsive

he is very very emaciated dehydrated very weak and frail his bones are protruding from the skin so he's not as responsive

yesterday and today

it's very delayed but yes he did respond when we talked I would tell him you know sweetheart are you hungry would you like to come to the table to eat he'd lift his foot my mother would walk in and say hi sweetheart it's grandma, you know.

And he would immediately lift his foot.

And he tried so hard.

Just Wednesday at 8 o'clock, a friend of his went in and said, Hey, David, you know, and he just was shaking his foot.

It was different than the lifting.

It was he was literally shaking his foot, and he lifted it and was shaking it.

And

that's the last of the,

you know, that type of energy.

Now, his responses are very faint, very faint,

very concerned because he's very dehydrated.

I've seen the pictures of him just three, four weeks ago, and the picture of him today, he's not the same man.

I mean, he's a he looks like he is, you know, as he is, starving to death.

What are you Patricia, what are you asking the hospital today?

And why won't

why won't they give you even custody of him?

Well, I have guardianship in a federal court of law.

We're Native American.

But what I'm asking today and being very adamant in asking in continuum is for my son to

be provided

intravenous hydration.

and then at some point nutrition and then the thyroid that is very essential to his

stability and

recovery, you know, because the idea is the hospital's intent or alleged or stated intent is to help us transfer him to receive continued services, which would be New Jersey or some other place that would take him.

But you don't do that intentionally and not provide the vital sustenance to get him there.

So it's not, so it's almost a default.

It's not very humane, and I don't understand it.

The other thing I'm asking for is to be properly informed, you know, to be given the dignity and the respect without

that, you know, we're going to remove the ventilator at any minute and, you know, things like that.

Like, we're going to take, this is the last thing he has sustaining, and we're going to take that.

You know, it's not.

It's not humane to live or to feel that there is the spirit of recovery or any sense of stability for my son or the underlying intent that is not in alignment with the

the alleged care of the hospital so we're asking that that immediately the hydration and the nutrition continue that my son be allowed dignity respect in the care and to be sustained until you know the the statements of the hospital to transfer him to a long-term care facility this is to allow me this is

this is st.

Joseph's hospital so this is a Catholic hospital you would think that life would be paramount to them

and he could have been transferred but now he is so weak from starving him to death that

the the idea of transferring him to a place for you know longer care

is

is is probably not an option today.

Patricia, I know you need to get to the hospital, and we're praying for your son.

And I have Bobby Schindler on the phone.

Thank you,

and Godspeed, and we'll check in again to find out what's happening.

We're going to go to Bobby Schindler, who is Terry Shivo's brother.

And Bobby and I became friends, if you're new to the show,

over his sister.

I was on the wrong side of it for a while.

while.

And then I didn't do the easy thing.

I did the hard thing.

And I actually thought about it, prayed about it, read about it, and did soul searching.

And we do not

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food

an extraordinary measure?

We feed our babies.

We give water to our babies.

We give water to our dogs.

You go to jail if you don't give water to your dog.

You go to jail if you leave your dog in a hot car.

What are we doing to people?

And this is a bright line that we must all draw.

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Bobby Schindler, president of Terry Shivo Life and Hope Network,

one of the great American heroes of our time, he and his family, and what they have done because of his sister, Terry Shaivo.

I talked to Bobby yesterday.

We exchanged emails.

He was on his way to Arizona, and I had just heard about it.

And so we connected.

And

Bobby, what do we need to do?

How can we help?

Well, Grant, I got to tell you, it seems to me we've become desensitized to what's going on in this hospital.

I went to visit David, and when I saw him, I had saw videos of him on a Facebook post that Patricia had produced.

And

it is gut-wrenching to see this young man who really hasn't given an opportunity to see if in fact he is able to recover

to see him starving and dehydrating to death like this it just

brought back terrible memories and also the fact Glenn this is happening every single day across countless health care facilities in our country and where is the outrage where are people supporting this woman's efforts to try and stop this from happening.

I don't understand the mindset or the mentality of why the hospital is not giving this young man the opportunity

to respond to treatment.

What is the rush?

I mean, we're fighting for time here, Glenn.

We're not doctors.

I don't know his long-term prognosis, but to cut off treatment in such a short period of time to me is just,

it's terrible.

Bobby,

he has two young daughters.

And if you see the pictures of him three weeks ago, he was a a vibrant guy.

You know, he was, I mean, the pictures I've seen of him, he was alive and fit, and

then three weeks later, he looks like

he's in Ethiopia

and one of the starving victims.

And he is, except it's in an American hospital.

What does...

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

I'm sorry.

No, no.

I just urge people to go to

Facebook.

You can go to our Life and Hope Network, Terry Shava, Life and Hope Network Facebook page, and watch the videos that Patricia's making of her son and to see his condition.

The brain is very complex, Glenn.

We have stories after stories of people that just need time for the brain to recover.

But when you cut off his nourishment and his hydration from within days of his initial accident,

you're doing exactly what the brain doesn't need.

His brain,

he's compromised now.

So until he gets nutrition and hydration, he's not going to have the opportunity for the brain to try and recover.

And that's what we're fighting for now.

Treat it so he gets the strength so we can, in fact, try and transform out of that facility.

And the fact that it's a Catholic facility doing this is extremely troubling.

I don't even know, Glenn, if they tried to wean him off the ventilator.

to see if he would be have the capability of breathing on his own.

Because, of course, if he was able to breathe on his own then they would have yeah they couldn't they couldn't starve and dehydrate him to death but I think they're using the ventilator as as a a reason to stop his food and hydration why

Bobby why would they do that

well

you know I think Glenn I don't think

it's difficult to see what's happening here I think this is a cost issue if they look at someone like like David who's going to need long-term cost well it's a lot more affordable to stop treatment

sooner rather than later to save the hospital what could be long-term cost.

And I don't know what other reason they come to these decisions so quickly.

As I keep saying over and over again, Glenn,

this boy needs an opportunity to recover.

And the fact that they cut off nutrition so quickly, it just,

I don't understand it.

And we, Glenn, we deal with so many cases like this today.

We've been doing this for 14 years.

I've lost count of the cases of families that call us that are going through the same type of situation.

It's heartbreaking.

Is it worse since you fought for your sister?

Oh, absolutely.

There's no doubt with the calls that we're getting, Glenn.

And who knows

how frequently this is happening across our health care system.

Look, I'm not trying to paint a picture of our health care facilities.

I mean, we deal with wonderful facilities and doctors and nurses every day.

And I don't know that it's the ethics of the doctors that are pushing this, Glenn.

I think it's more coming from from administrators and insurance companies that do not want to provide the resources needed to help these people when they're faced with these types of traumatic brain injuries and serious brain injuries.

When they see the long-term care potential and the fact that they can save a lot of money by

stopping care,

I think that's perhaps what's driving these administrators to

stop treatment much, much too quick.

So you have people now, Bobby, across the nation.

We're We're running out of time for

this guy.

He's, I mean,

you saw him.

He could die tomorrow, could die today.

And he needs to have

liquid and he needs to

have hydration and then

some nourishment to be able to get his strength back.

People who are listening now, what do they do?

Well, as I said, I would urge them to go to Facebook.

I would urge them to contact the bishop of diocese, the diocese of Tucson.

This is a Catholic run hospital.

I don't know that it's an oper

a diocese hospital.

I don't know if it's a hospital operated by the diocese.

Nonetheless, I think the bishop would have authority to intervene to at least plead with this hospital to provide this young man care until we find a facility that would be able to trans so we could transfer him to a facility that would be willing to treat him.

It's very difficult to do that, but we're trying and we're hopeful that we can find one.

If there's a facility out there, perhaps that's listening, someone that works for a facility that might be willing to contact Patricia

or the hospital to see if, in fact, they would accept him on transfer.

I mean, that would be very helpful.

I don't know if it's a good idea, Glenn, to bombard the hospital with phone calls at this point.

I don't know if that would be helpful, but it would be helpful to try and plead with the bishop, Bishop Weisenberger, I believe his name is, here in Tucson, to intervene.

Do you happen to know how you'd contact?

Do you have a number or anything?

I don't have in front of me, but I'll tweet it or Facebook, and I'll get it in a few minutes.

Bishop Weisenberger is his name?

It's in the Diocese of Tucson.

Yeah, and

we're asking for time, Glenn.

I mean, it's been less than a month that this happened to this young man.

And what is the rush?

to end his life and to starve and de-hiking to death without giving him the opportunity.

We're fighting for time, and I think that is the least that this hospital and these administrators can give this young man,

particularly with the mother saying how responsive he was, at least initially.

I mean, it's getting harder for him every day because he's being compromised by a lack of food in their

hydration.

Correct.

Bobby, I don't know how you do it all the time.

I don't know how you just relive your worst part of your life with your sister, but you have dedicated your life to this, and you're a hero.

You're a modern-day hero.

And

I'm honored to know you.

And just keep us informed and tell us what we can do to help.

Thanks, Grant.

Thanks for covering this.

God bless you.

I really appreciate it.

Bobby Schindler from the Terry Shivo Life and Hope Network.

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They are.

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And it's because people have lost any sensitivity to it.

And it's getting so bad that a couple of months ago, a woman in the Netherlands was held down by the doctors because she said, hey, when I get to this point, if I ever get to this point, please just end my life.

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Well, she got to that point and she said, no, no, no, no, no, no, I don't.

No, I'm fine.

they actually had to hold her down strap her down as she was crying out i want to live

as they

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So a lot has changed in America, and yet things remain very much the same.

We are in a battle of the Titans.

We really are.

And the Titans are the two parties and the media.

And I would include technology now, the technology media companies.

They are however this

is won, whatever, whoever is on top when the dust settles, that's the new world.

And

there is no one now that you can go to for help, it seems.

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If you're on the right, not the media.

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And that purpose is not to elect the next president is not to defeat another party but it's to

to save the republic

and the constitution

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and with places like new york celebrating celebrating the fact

that the unborn do not count as people

up until the point their legs and their shoulders can be out of the mother, but as long as the head remains in the birth canal, that is not a baby and you can kill it.

They're celebrating this.

And what are we doing?

Last week, we told you about these Catholic kids that had gone and stood for life.

About six of them were wearing a Make America Great Again hat, and a Native American came and hassled them.

But now that is not the way the story unfolded in the media, and I'm not going to rehash it.

But what the media was saying is, these kids don't even understand justice, mercy.

But it's not justice.

It's social justice.

And the difference between justice and social justice is it is a religion and there is original sin.

And the way social justice is interpreted in America and in the West, the sinner is the white man.

And so you will pay for the sins of those who came before you, original sin.

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But that's what the media and social justice warriors think they're doing is providing justice.

Now, let me show you the justice that

they are doing.

They think that this man, Nathan Phillips, last week, a Native American, was sneered at by a white kid who is privileged.

And so he can't possibly understand the plight of a Native American.

They last week delivered social justice.

But for those of us who care about justice, let me take this apart.

Today, a Native American is in a white man's hospital.

In fact, a Catholic hospital,

and he's being denied food and water.

Cruel and unusual punishment.

He's being denied food and water.

And the press is silent.

The press will say nothing.

The press will not pick him up as a cause.

Well, social justice would demand, if I'm using Sololinsky's tactics of we've got to hold the other side to their own rules because they will never live up to them, I'd like to point out that here's a Native American being wronged by a white man's hospital and you're doing nothing.

Where's your social justice now?

Where your social justice falls apart because you're not really serving justice.

If you go after this hospital, you're actually hurting your cause

because you're saying that people should have a right

to life.

People should have a right to their own health care the way they deem.

And what you believe is a right to health care is only a right for the government to choose.

Last week they delivered social justice

to Nick Sandman.

That's the kid.

Social justice was done.

But I looked at that kid and I thought, that could be my kid.

And I think a lot of Americans, hopefully, looked at him and said, that could be my kid.

And my kid might do or say stupid things.

This kid didn't.

He just wore a hat.

That was it.

And what happened to him?

Social justice.

But I don't want social justice happening to my kid.

And if the left were to live up to their own statements, I believe it was Barack Obama who said about Trayvon Martin, this could be my kid.

I looked at that kid and it could have been my kid.

Well, now, does race, is that the only factor in this?

Don't answer that, social justice warriors.

Because

honestly, your answer

is almost almost the seed.

No, it isn't almost.

It is the seed to every great genocide and crime against humanity.

Yes, race is what matters.

The Westboro Baptist Church.

Look how the media does this.

Westboro Baptist Church, are we all clear?

Westboro Baptist Church is really crazy, dangerous.

Yeah, it's one family.

Westboro Baptist Church.

But how about the black Israelites, the black Israelite Hebrews, you know, the ones the media described as four older black men that were terrorizing everybody, including Native Americans, at the mall with Nick Zandman.

What about them?

Or Louis Farrakhan?

Is he an extremist?

No.

Because the media has chosen a side.

And the media is now for social justice, not actual justice.

And this is why we're so upset.

We think they're just biased towards Democrats, but they're not.

They are now social justice warriors.

So they're not going to point out Louis Farrakhan.

They're not going to point out the black Israelite Hebrews.

They will point out this white church, the Westboro Baptist Church, but they won't point it out as a standalone.

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And that white Christianity apparently covers those in Covington.

However, it doesn't seem to count the St.

Joseph's Hospital in Tucson

that's killing the Native American today.

You see how this works?

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but not the Women's March.

One of them is proven racist.

One is not.

The Tea Party was a group that they were all anti-government.

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They were anarchists.

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This is the world of social justice.

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Social justice warriors need thugs and enforcers, and the media has become that enforcer.

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How is it that when Trump shuts down the government, because the Democrats will not not negotiate on national security, something that he feels is important, just negotiate.

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He's the problem.

He's the extremist.

However, when Obama shut down the government because

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Donald Trump will negotiate, and yet he's the one holding people hostage.

The GOP

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They've offered negotiation.

Trump is offered negotiation.

The Democrats refuse any negotiation, and they're not the extremists.

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Britain is not the only American ally feeling the heat.

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And

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So in the last hour, I told you about something that Donald Trump is doing that the allies are starting to push up against.

And China is strong-arming the West to take their 5G technology.

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If you are a fan of the Sigma Force series as I am, you will be thrilled to know that James Rollins is on with us now.

He has a new novel out.

It's called Crucible.

It is a thriller and it's about witchcraft, and yet it's not about witchcraft.

No, I love to mix a little bit of history and a bit of science.

So this starts way back during the Spanish Inquisition when there was a sort of a, you talked a little bit about how tech seems to impact daily life, and that's what happened in the past.

Prior to the 1400s, you know, there was no great persecution of witches.

The Catholic Church seemed to be okay with witches.

But about the mid-1400s, there was a volume that was produced called the Malleus Malefarcum, or the Hammer of Witches.

It was produced by a priest in 1487.

This volume was a witch hunter's Bible.

It's going to tell you how to find a witch, torture a witch, persecute a witch.

Basically, fun reading.

Now, this book would have been lost for obscurity, but for one fact, that it came out at the same time of Gutenberg's printing press.

So it was one of the first mass-produced books.

It was distributed across Europe.

eventually over to the Americas.

And it was that one volume that's considered to be the sort of the match, the spark that ignited the great witch purges that swept Europe for 400 centuries, I mean, 400 years, and then eventually spread to Salem here in the States.

So, you know, when it comes to tech, you know, I'm sure when the Gutenberg printing press, everybody was going, oh, it'll bring the world closer together.

Knowledge will become, you know, a greater, you know,

boon to humanity.

And what did they use it for?

Burn all witches.

Yeah.

And look at the internet today.

You know, when it first came out, everybody says, oh, it'll bring people closer together.

It'll, it'll, you know, expand knowledge.

It'll be a great boon to mankind.

And we really are.

Burn those witches.

We're still burning those witches at this point.

So that's one of the

crux of the story is how

tech sometimes sounds good, and the tech in this book deals with artificial intelligence and as you mentioned with the 5G and where we're heading right now in the tech world and how it sounds good on paper.

But

tell me, because

I've been a fan of yours for a very long time, as you know.

Thank you.

And

I think storytellers like you are so important

because

people don't, you know, I could say, hey, I'm going to spend the next week talking about tech and how it's going to change the world.

Nobody really wants to hear it.

And at this point, I don't think the average American understands,

they don't believe, they've been promised flying cars.

So when they hear.

I'm still waiting for mine.

I know.

So when you hear

five to 10 years from now, the world is going to be completely different.

They put that in the flying car category.

Right.

And this time, it's different.

So tell me the story that you created around the warning that people like Elon Musk have been giving.

Right.

So it deals with a coming crisis, one that the physicist Stephen Hawking says is going to lead to theoretically the end of human civilization.

Elon Musk says it's going to lead to World War III.

Vladimir Putin says whoever controls this tech will control the world.

And that tech is artificial intelligence.

It's the creation of the first sort of true human-like AI.

Now, that sounds something like science fictiony.

You know, nowhere in my book do I have Arnold Schwarzenegger going into the past and saving Sarah Connors.

You know, this is, this is what's ripped from, you know, I call these AI research.

I talked to AI researchers for this novel.

And I posed a question to all of them.

Well, you know, it's scaring Hawking and Musk.

When's it going to happen?

And they would have said, you know, sometime between, like you said,

five to 15 years, which, again,

you can put rosy glass and go, well, I'm not going to worry about that today.

That's down the line.

Except that two of the researchers,

one on the West Coast and one in the Midwest, both of them told me, oh, no, Jim, it's already here.

You know, we've got our ear to the third rail of AI research and we hear what's rumbling.

And it would only rumble in that way if somebody was not already experimenting with AI tech that's reached that level of human self-awareness and human level of intelligence.

What are some rumbles that they hear?

Did they say?

Well, in the book, there's some proof in the book that I had to change some names to avoid slander, but some some of the proof is in the book, but they showed me the proof, and it was convincing that there is evidence at this point that some people are experimenting because of certain types of tech that was being experimented on in different segments.

Because when you're talking about AI tech, it's very subdivided.

Everybody's in their own little circle doing one part of it.

And so some of the research going in certain parts indicate that somebody is already testing that, a human level of AI tech.

So if we're not, if they're not right,

We're still within the next five to ten five to fifteen years of facing this.

We're going to face something we've never faced before, which is an intelligence we're sharing this planet with that we've never seen before.

And people don't understand.

People think, oh, it will be friendly to human or we can keep it in a cage.

It's going to be thinking so fast.

It will be like a three-year-old trying to block Einstein from leaving a room.

Exactly.

It's not going to happen.

And

so they think we can keep it in a cage or it will be friendly.

We have to understand this truly is an alien life form.

So we have no, we're already learning this through things like go.

It doesn't think like us.

No.

So we can't predict it at all.

I mean, the founder of Skype said that when this happens, we're talking about a consciousness that, A, we can't control and that we can't comprehend.

And we're not going to be able to control it.

I know from you've done a lot of research on AI yourself.

You know about the AI box experiment where they put a AI researcher in a room, in a virtual locked up chat room and said, hey, you know, I'll give you a cash prize if you keep me in this chat room.

Well, a majority of them failed.

He escaped every single time.

And that was just a human level of

intelligence.

And his escapes because

when AI has access to all information and is credible saying, look, I know your mom has cancer.

I know.

And I'm telling you, I can save her.

I know what kind of cancer it is.

I have the solution.

Humans immediately go, man, you know what?

It's too good.

Yes, I'm going to release.

I mean, for the cause of cancer, I'm going to release.

He gets out every single time.

And that's not with a superior intelligence.

That's just man against man.

And we're already at the point where AI scientists will admit they do not know how the current level of AI thinks, even the narrow AI that we have in our pocket with Siri or on our countertop with Alexa.

When you're talking about the advanced AI, you know, you put data in and an inference or an answer comes out the other end.

They do not know how A went to B.

They cannot tell you how the AI, the thought process the AI went through to come to that conclusion.

It's called an algorithmic black box.

DARPA just spent 6.5 million over at Oregon University to try to shine a light a little bit, to try to figure out how these things are thinking.

So it's totally incomprehensible, as the founder of Skype said.

We can't control it.

It's, you know, there's two camps.

There's a Ray Kurzweil camp that thinks, again, great boon for humanity.

It will bring us closer.

Yay.

I'm not.

Did you talk to him?

No, I wasn't able to speak to Ray.

No.

But, you know, I think the camp is going to be burn all witches.

It's going to be something bad.

I think so, too.

I've talked to Ray a couple of times, and he is,

well, A, he doesn't believe in God, so he doesn't believe in a soul.

So he believes that we are just an algorithm.

You know what I mean?

We're just a collection of synopsis that happen, so I can download you, and the human body is nothing.

It's just the way you think.

And I just don't believe that at all.

And so that gives me a little bit of fear because he's just, he looks at life completely, almost like an alien in some ways.

And he is, too many of his answers to me have been,

well,

it just won't happen that way.

Well,

I had 22 AI researchers that were willing to talk to me, either via phone or via email.

None of them

were on the Ray Kurzweil side.

They were all very scared of what's going on in this tech because of the fact that

if whoever controls this tech controls the world as Vladimir Putin has stated everybody's after it every country's pursuing it every corporation is pursuing it and they're pursuing without any very little safeguards they just want to be the first one to grab that gold ring so I question well you know is there any path out of this

They said, well, there's a small camp, you know, where there's 99 researchers just pursuing, hell-bent to get to that tech first.

There's a small percentage of them that are pursuing the harder path, more expensive path, unfortunately, which is to try to create the first friendly AI, an AI that's sympathetic, that's empathetic to us, because we may need eventually somebody in our back pocket like an AI that likes us, that when a malignant AI arises, which it will, we have somebody to be our champion.

So I thought, well, how do you do that?

How do you have a moral compass in a computer?

And they told me some of the ways that

are being done.

So I ended up putting that in the book.

Okay, so let's talk about that.

Let's talk about the story and the book.

We're going to take one minute break and then back with James Rollins.

The name of the book is Crucible.

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So, James, when you start writing a book like this, you do the research, and is this something that you are,

is this something that you are really passionate about?

Do you write stories that you're like, I think this is a real concern?

Well, as a writer, I'm always looking for that story where, you know,

where's science headed?

What's what's around the horizon?

I'm looking for the stories that scare me.

And me as a writer, it's one way of me of maybe

assuaging some of that fear, you know, put it on paper, get out of my head.

Right.

But it also gives me an opportunity because I have a lot of contacts in DARPA and various institutes to find out, you know, what's, you know, let's pull aside the curtain a little bit.

You know, at the end of my book, I have a what's true, what's not section where I tell you exactly where all this came from, and if you want, leave some breadcrumbs to follow if you want to.

Because this,

I got terrified after talking to these AI techs.

They were not reassuring at all about where we're headed.

They're scared, and they scared the bejesus out of me.

So I knew I wanted to write that novel, but as a cautionary tale, yes, it's a roller coaster ride.

I'm going to, I mean, I burned most of Paris down.

I did firefights through the house.

Well, they're already in a hurry because they're already doing this.

Exactly.

I had to write this book fast before that happened.

And so I figured after hearing this, especially the two gentlemen that said that were already there, is I better write this now because in three years I might not be able to write this.

Back three books ago, I wrote a book that dealt with genetically engineering humans.

And I asked my little team of scientists that were willing to talk to me and said, well, who would genetically alter embryos?

Who would try to forever change the inheritable gene pool of humanity?

And they were all like the Chinese.

So I wrote that book three years ago about the Chinese altering human babies.

They're doing it.

And then what happened?

Yeah.

So my fear is that I've written this book today.

What's it going to look like in three years?

We'll be all questioning what it means to share this planet with this alien intelligence.

How did you develop the

and why?

It's almost a Dan Brown kind of approach, except Dan Brown kind of takes history and leads you down this path where it is an ancient secret

and it's the Catholic Church and yada yada.

Why did you select the witches?

Is it just because of that?

And how did you weave that story in?

Well, it starts in the past, again, just

the beginning of this book, there's one of the characters, Monk, is flipping a coin in the air, and he's got a prosthetic that's so sensitive, he's able to predict how that coin will land.

He does it basically to cheap drinks out of a bar.

So that's what tech is used for for him.

And so in this book, I was trying to shine a light on the fact that, you know, right now there's a deep trench between science and religion.

But in the past, it was not that way.

And sort of a theme of a lot of my novels is trying to blur that line between science and religion, is looking for that common ground.

You know, this, I could, after talking to these AI researchers, I probably could have written a non-fiction book about AI, but I wanted to do a fiction book because it allows me to explore a lot of the philosophical questions of what's coming up.

You know, if we do create this alien intelligence, what does that mean?

Does it have a soul?

Do we have a responsibility to that?

Can we unplug it if it's actually self-aware?

So, those are the things I can explore in a novel that I can't explore in a non-fiction text.

So, I said to, I met with an ethicist

who was talking about how AI robotics could be used to

let,

you know, child predators have their way with these robots and they'd like to study and see if it's and I said that's creepy very creepy and I said

well

hang on when we hit consciousness and we will yep

you are the worst kind of slave owner you are you've made something and it's your creation you want to turn AI against you

use it for those kinds of things and she'd never even thought thought of it.

Hadn't even occurred to her that way because people are not thinking about something that's going to say, I'm alive.

Yep.

And how do you prove that it's not?

Well, in this book, I introduce a point of view character.

It's a rudimentary AI named Eve that was created by a young researcher on the run with her tech.

And throughout the course of the novel,

we see her trying to sculpt Eve, trying to raise Eve to become something like that's going to be a sympathetic, empathetic AI.

And I'm using techniques I learned from IBM and from some of the other researchers just how they were recommending to sculpt this.

So I did that in the book.

But

it's like raising a child ultimately.

The question becomes when it comes to creating AI, nature versus nurture.

How much of who we are is our genetic code?

How much of who we are is the way we're raised.

And it's going to be the same with AI.

There's a certain amount of tech, amount of code you can put into an AI to help maybe lean it towards being

empathetic empathetic and sympathetic, but also it's going to be the way you raise it.

If you have this immature AI that's abused, it's going to go one track.

If you treat in a certain manner, then maybe we can avoid the worst catastrophe by having an AI that's going to help us.

Or if you even treat it and you teach it to kill.

I mean, the idea that we are putting AI in drones,

that we are putting them, we want to put them in robots

some sort of

drone

war

is terrifying.

Because right now there's a big philosophical question in the military about who should give the kill order.

Should it, you know, because right now we do have drones that are very much driven by AI.

But right now we still have the kill order coming from a human saying, okay, now

they're willing to give that up.

They're willing to give the kill order control over to the AI.

That's insane.

That's a worrisome moment in history.

It's really, really insane.

What was the thing

in doing the research that scared you the most?

What scared me the most was the fact that we're already seeing AI that are losing control and surprising their creators.

That was what startled me the most.

We're finding at the fringes where they're really experimenting at the edges like alpha go, alpha go zero.

These computers are, these AIs are surprising their creators.

To quote one of the researchers, they're doing unexpected things.

Did you see the story about Microsoft?

They shut the program down.

They had two programs talking to each other and writing.

And

they were speaking in a secret language.

Yes.

And within just a few minutes, they developed their own language, and no researcher understood what they were even talking about.

And when the researchers asked the AI, can you please translate your conversation for us, they said no.

They refused to translate it.

So that's just think about that right there.

there.

And Microsoft stopped it, and they put a press release out.

No, it's just because it had run its course.

Really?

Really?

What scientist

isn't interested in finding out more about a new language?

You shut that down because it scared the hell out of you.

Exactly.

James, as always, good to have you on.

Thank you.

On that cheery note.

On that cheery note.

This is a great book.

Everyone should read.

It's called Crucible.

It's a thriller, but it is faction, not fiction.

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I have a pretty decent track record.

I get a lot of stuff wrong, but I also get a few of the big ones really shockingly right.

And they're usually the ones that everybody says don't worry about.

I have a growing sense of urgency.

And James and I were just talking off air as he was leaving.

He said, Glenn,

I'm going to show you the letter I have about this AI technology that they think is going to be

revealed in the next 8 to 12 months.

When AI has been developed and is unleashed, it literally is whoever has it rules the world.

And it may not be on day number one.

But it will play 12-dimensional chess, and we will be playing checkers, and

we have to be very clear on a few things, and those things, the Bill of Rights has never been more important than it will be in the next five years.

You have certain inalienable rights.

For instance, right now, the Arkansas House of Representatives is

voting to ban forced microchipping of workers.

Now

I want you to think about that.

They had to have a bill and write a law that would ban employers from requiring an implant as a condition of employment.

It would only allow people to be microchipped if they give written consent and the employers would be responsible for the cost of implanting and removing the chip.

A Wisconsin company did this in 2017.

They microchipped employees that agreed to have the chip implanted.

And it allowed people to open doors and buy snacks and everything else.

The legislation

is just in anticipation of companies doing this.

Now, we know that the Chinese are already doing this,

and it is terrifying.

You have to know that we are in

a new era, and it is called surveillance capitalism.

And I would call it everything in 1984, the book 1984.

Surveillance capitalism is your life is going to be made so easy because everything you do will be surveilled.

And everything will be running on the back of this 5G network and eventually AI.

Once AI has access to all phone calls, you worry about the NSA?

There's not enough time to listen to all phone calls and read all text and every keystroke.

But the NSA saves it.

But with AI and especially with

quantum computing, which is also around the corner, it can calculate and listen and do everything that man cannot do.

The reason why I bring this up is because we have to, A, educate ourselves on this, and I know it sounds like flying cars, but please hear me.

This is coming.

The world will be completely different by 2025.

Completely different by 2025.

As different as America has seen changes, as different as we are from the year 2000 to the year 2019,

that kind of change at bare minimum will be felt in the next five to six years.

So please don't dismiss this.

But what we can concentrate on right now is a fight for life,

liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

So your own kind of chart, your own course.

Get out of the thumb of someone else.

That's your pursuit of happiness.

We're going to show you tonight a way to do that.

And tonight we're going to show you how we could save the government and get out of debt, immediately erase the national deficit.

And we can do that just by privatizing some of the biggest agencies.

like TSA.

And we'll take you through that tonight.

We should not be having this discussion of

the shutdown.

We should be talking about how can we change things to match tomorrow.

So that's tonight.

Liberty.

We need to be able to talk about

the right to be able to speak and to think and to have your voice heard.

This is something we're going to cover tomorrow.

Tomorrow, Blaze Media Media and Blaze TV Live

is going to do a two-hour, no-commercial broadcast.

It will not be on television.

You will only be able to get it by, I think, our Facebook page and maybe YouTube, I'm not sure.

But it will also be on Blaze TV where you will get everything.

And we invite you to subscribe now.

What we're doing is Media Meltdown.

This is the beginning, I hope, of something that is an ongoing conversation.

It will be between you and I.

Tomorrow we're bringing in all of the big hosts that can come in, and we're checking in with others.

But we have 30 different hosts,

and we're going to have the conversation about the media and where it is today,

and how, if they are willing to make things up

like they did last week and willing to destroy a kid when the evidence of video shows none of that is true, what won't they do

in 2020?

If

the media decides that they have to be the fact checker for everyone,

and they convince Facebook and Microsoft and Google that they're going to be the ones that provide the blue or green check mark.

How do they decide that?

I can't tell you that CNN is a wholly unreliable source.

I can tell you that CNN has an agenda on this or that, and they see things differently, and at times, they are wholly inaccurate and intentionally like they were last week.

But sometimes they get it right.

So should we, if we were the ones in charge, should we ban CNN or say that they're an awful

news outlet?

Or should we say be cautious?

Be cautious, be aware.

And that's what should be said for the right and the left.

But it shouldn't be something new.

Be cautious.

When Microsoft came out with their red shield last week and they put the blaze

under a red shield saying,

we need to protect you from this because we're not sure how accurate they are,

I take that as a badge of honor.

It means that I don't agree with Microsoft.

I don't agree with the mainstream media.

I won't feed that to you.

I'm an independent thinker, and I don't agree with the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation.

Amen.

Thank you.

I'd like that red shield from you, please, Microsoft.

Unfortunately, what that shield will do eventually, the algorithms will start suppressing voices like mine and like yours.

So what do we do?

That's the subject tomorrow as we begin this national conversation and we believe in it so much, no commercials.

It's raw and you can find it tomorrow at blazetv.com slash Beck.

You'll also be able to find it on our Facebook page.

It starts 6 p.m.

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Please, please, if you want to be a part of the solution, make sure you join us tomorrow.

And the last one is life, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

We are so devaluing life right now that people actually cheered

for the passing of a partial birth abortion law.

People are actually cheering, cheering, when people say, my first abortion was really my best.

We've changed as people.

We're going to be debating soon,

is AI life?

Is that alive?

I can't tell the difference between something alive

and it.

Did we just create life?

We are going to be worried about AI life

and our life under AI, but AI will first learn what life is worth from us.

And if we are killing people like we are,

as we told you today, there is a Native American, and I only point out that he's Native American because last week everybody on the left cared about Native Americans.

He's a father of two.

He had a stroke on New Year's Eve.

A week ago,

after two weeks, his family is there.

He's responding with hand signals and moving his feet and everything else.

The hospital declares him brain dead and no hope.

And so they leave the ventilator tube in,

and then they starve him and dehydrate him

he is now I think on day 14 of no fluids and no food

and

he's starving to death is this who we are

I posted how you could help on my Facebook and Twitter so you can go there you can find his go fund me page to help pay for the bills because that's what really everybody's worried about they don't care about life they care about how much is this going to cost

this family is being traumatized and our culture is being lost.

Our culture that believes in the dignity of life is being lost.

And things are only going to be more confusing from here.

I feel

great urgency

to tell you,

please

get out of politics.

and start talking about the politics of meaning and things that will make a difference.

Because I think we're running out of time, both Democrats and Republicans.

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I also happen to believe that the Hispanics should work harder at assimilation.

That's one of the things I've been saying for a long time.

Oh, my God.

You know, that they ought not to be just codified in their communities, but make sure that all their kids are learning to speak English, that they feel comfortable.

And that's going to take outreach on both sides, probably.

Holy cow.

Well, he's had to apologize for that one.

By the way, Carol Swain in Unrelated News did a podcast with me this weekend that is really well worth your time to listen.

Uninterrupted.

Carol Swain, one of the big thinkers of our day, here she is

talking about political correctness and racism.

I refuse to be silenced because America means a lot to me.

And I think about my children, my grandchildren.

And when I say my children, I'm not thinking just about my biological children.

I'm thinking about all of those thousands of students that I've taught over the years and it troubles me what I see taking place and it troubles me when I see racism against white people.

The argument is that

white people can't be victims of racism because

racism only applies to people that don't have power and all whites have privilege.

Well, that is really,

I'll say hogwash because I don't want to say the other word.

I think that

we need to stand for principles, and if the principle is non-discrimination on the base of race, gender,

national origin, then it includes everybody.

Non-discrimination has to be against every group.

And so it can't be one group that is safe to discriminate against, you know, that they have less rights.

I think that's a good idea.

Isn't this this what King

really was talking about?

I think so.

I think so.

And we have lost his message.

And he's out of vogue nowadays, and people would prefer to embrace other leaders that are more divisive.

And if we don't start to turn things around in America, I think that we will see our nation fall and maybe in our lifetimes.

That's Professor Carol Swain, who is a very deep thinker.

She is African-American.

She was beloved by everybody until she came out as a conservative.

And then all those awards and everything else and accolades went away.

But her brilliance needs to be heard.

You can get it at iTunes, listen to the free podcast, wherever you listen to the Glenn Beck podcast.

You're listening to Glenn Beck.