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There's a lot on our plate today.

We have Daniel Hannon coming up in just a few minutes.

Daniel Hannon is a member of the European Union.

Not a happy member, probably the best member of the European Union.

There was the Brexit vote yesterday.

It did not go well for Theresa May.

They're really kind of deciding whether or not she's even going to be the prime minister here soon.

I think this was kind of a setup for her.

It was all in the cards.

But now what happens?

Now what happens?

The die-hard anti-Semitic socialist is the one who's pushing, it looks like, to be the next prime minister.

They've got a government kind of in shutdown now, not listening to the people.

We have the same thing.

We also have in Russia a a homosexual genocide.

It's happening in Chechnya.

We have a member of the LGBT

community, if you will, the network in Russia.

We can't even say their name on the air, release their identity, because they are afraid of being scooped up, tortured, and killed in Russia now.

It's very bad.

Are you hearing this?

from anybody on the left?

Why not?

Oh, and one more thing.

The Democratic Party has quit the women's march after an explosive segment about Louis Farrakhan on the view.

Really?

That's why they quit.

No, that's not why they quit.

I'll tell you why as we begin the show in one minute.

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Here's the story from places like the Huffington Post.

The Democratic National Committee is no longer sponsoring the annuals Women March.

It's set to

take place on Saturday in Washington, D.C.

The Women's Wire March co-presidents Tamika Mallory and Bob Bland appeared on The View Monday, where the show's co-host peppered them with questions about the organization.

Mallory's relationship with Farrakhan was put on the front burner in a heated segment, where she refused to denounce him, instead called him one of the greatest of all time for what he's done in the black communities.

She repeated to refuse to contend to condemn Farrakhan's remarks about Jewish people and others, even though being pressured to do so.

Women's March have been under scrutiny for allegations of anti-sexism, sexism, and more.

As pointed out by the Daily Beast, the DNC was listed among the organization's sponsors as recently as Sunday.

As of last night, they are no longer listed as a sponsor.

Although the DNC official declined to comment on the timing of the sponsorship withdrawal, but said that it stands in solidarity with women.

The DNC stands in solidarity with all those fighting for women's rights, holding the Trump administration, Republican lawmakers

around the country accountable.

Women are on the front lines of fighting back, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

So

here's what really happened.

Last year,

this was out.

Last year, we knew these things were going on.

We didn't really know the extent of it.

And we have a kind of a deep dive going into this on

what day is today?

Wednesday.

It's tomorrow.

It's a tomorrow show.

Tomorrow.

On the Women's March and the history of it when it comes to anti-Semitism, which goes back to literally the formational meeting.

When they were actually together for the first time discussing the idea of the Women's March, they were talking about the problems with Jews.

That is how deep this goes.

A problem

with the Jews.

This goes back to my advice that I gave to Republicans back in about 2009.

I said, you have to be really careful who you're standing with because there's going to be a lot of people that you're standing with that will agree with a lot of the stuff you agree with.

But you're going to disagree with them on some pretty big fundamental issues.

Don't be hijacked.

So all these women, they were upset about Donald Trump or they were upset about, you know, a Republican victory or whatever it was.

Some of them valid reasons.

Some of them anti-Semite, anti-white, yada, yada, yada.

You all came together.

It's like

look at how

the right

has split apart as soon as there's power.

The right splits apart because it's easier to come together when you're against something.

But when you actually have to state you're for something, you got to get down to specifics.

And you're like, okay, well, wait a minute, I'm not for that.

And then it starts to break apart somewhat.

You have to know that you have the same principles.

The DNC says they're standing in solidarity with those fighting for women's rights.

Well,

you should probably get a little more specific.

This is what really happened.

This had nothing to do with the view.

Other sponsors have not returned to this year's march, including the Southern Poverty Law Center.

When you don't have the Southern Poverty Law, when the Southern Poverty Law Center says, you know what, this group on the left is a little extreme, that's saying something.

They don't have Emily's List, the Human Rights Campaign.

They don't have NARAL.

They don't have the Center for American Progress or Amnesty International standing with them anymore.

If you're going to the women's march this

weekend, you're in a rapidly diminishing circle of people.

And you're kind of being left with

some radicals.

The outlet

reported fewer than half of the sponsors in 2018 have returned to support 2019.

This thing is over.

And it's not like the

Tea Party.

The Tea Party didn't implode.

This is imploding.

I mean, it's over.

If the Democratic Party is bailing on it, it's no longer of use.

The only use of it in the first place, it had never,

I shouldn't say it never had anything to do with women's rights because

the first, you know, the actual founder of not the March, but the movement who just did it on Facebook, right?

Like it wasn't, she seems to be someone who she's been saying for a while, you got to get these people out of it.

Yeah, she bailed out of the entire organization because she knew these people were bad and what they were doing.

Um, and they wouldn't denounce Louis Farrakhan.

I mean, this is this is not a high hurdle to clear here.

We're not asking you for a really nuanced person to try.

Hey, you got to distance yourself from Nancy Pelosi.

No, this is Louis Farrakhan.

This is Louis Farrakhan.

And again, it's not just saying, well, look, I went to an event and he was there, and I'm not going to trash the guy.

We were at the same event.

This is, I'm calling him the greatest of all time

for what he's done in the black community, which is what exactly?

Convince them that Jews are bad?

What exactly is he done?

They should kill white people.

Whites are the devil.

What has he done?

He's done nothing except inject poison into an entire community for multiple decades.

So, this is what's going to happen to the Democratic Party if they're not careful.

The Democratic Party has become so extreme that they are going to chase chase off all normal people.

Now, they've hid it pretty well.

These guys have been, you know, behind the scenes for a while.

All the people we talked about while we were at Fox, all those people,

they've all been hidden.

They've all been washed.

Even the people that we thought were very dangerous at the time, those people

are

not radical enough.

And those people are on the outs.

They are eating their own, and it is becoming a very vicious

circle of people, very vicious.

And you're seeing it.

And if the Democratic Party is not careful, look at what Mayor Cuomo or Governor Cuomo is doing.

Right now, the press is talking about how crazy extreme Donald Trump is for saying that he wants law and order and a border wall.

Now, we have more people coming from Honduras.

I don't know if you heard this.

Another caravan is coming up from Honduras now.

800 people in this one.

They're saying that they're hoping that the president will change his mind by the time they get here.

He's not, guys.

He's not going to change his mind.

You're not coming into the United States.

It's immoral.

And whoever is telling you that you're going to be able to get in, they're lying to you.

They're lying to you.

So they're coming up from

Honduras again, yet another caravan.

He is being called immoral for saying, we have to be clear.

This is a humanitarian crisis.

It'll only get worse.

We have to be clear.

You're not coming in.

And we need a wall to make sure that they understand we're serious about this.

That's immoral.

But what Governor Cuomo is doing,

Governor Cuomo says he will not sign another budget until full abortion rights are passed in New York.

Now that means full abortion rights means you have a right to an abortion for any reason at any time up until birth.

Excuse me?

How is that not immoral?

How is that not, how dare you take the state hostage?

You won't pass a budget until you can have a partial birth abortion.

Do you realize how out of the

edge and in space and on the fringe that is?

Somebody really doesn't like attending baby showers.

I think that's the

wow want to show up.

This is crazy.

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Okay, we have Daniel Hannon coming up, and we're going to have to change the show stations just an alert.

Next half hour of the show, we have to change around some of the commercial breaks and things just for Daniel Hannon.

He's on a very tight schedule today.

As you can imagine, the EU and

England kind of

upended

today, and so we're going to talk to him.

They are debating what's going to happen to the prime minister right now, even as we speak.

So that's coming up in just about 15 minutes from now.

Daniel Hannon, member of Parliament and

EU.

All right.

So

why is Governor Cuomo saying now

that you can have partial birth abortion and he won't sign a budget for New York until this is passed?

Here's a guy holding the state hostage.

Stu, can you give me some of the numbers on?

Because most people, when we say, well, you know, it's a, it's a, it's a coin toss, you know, it's split, but leans a little in the favor of pro-life.

No, it doesn't.

When you actually look down at the breakdown, it is in favor of common sense.

Now, listen to how people actually

feel

about abortion when they're given the actual choices.

Yeah, 55% of people say they're pro-choice.

That's pretty high, I would say, for that.

It's usually, I would say, in the high 40s, but this is a recent poll from Marist.

And 55% say they're pro-choice.

38% say they're pro-life when you ask broadly.

But when you dig into it a little bit, what you find out is

pretty surprising.

For example, about 27% of people say

that abortion should only be available during the first three months of pregnancy.

28%

say only in cases of rape, incest, or save the life of a mother.

Okay, so

there's your 55.

Yeah, let's put this into context here.

I would be considered pro-choice

because I cannot bring myself, and I know this is,

I just haven't gotten there yet.

I know this is inconsistency, and it's the

one thing that I'm inconsistent on that really bothers me.

I believe that is

but I just can't get myself to say to somebody who has been raped, hey,

I'm going to tell you what to do.

I just can't do it.

And that may be wrong, but I can't do that yet as a person and as a dad.

So, and I'm an adopted dad, so I get it,

but I'm just not there yet.

But because of that, because I say rape and incest,

because of that, I would be considered by Marist in this poll pro-life.

Yeah, I mean, sorry, pro-choice.

It's a little bit different than that because you can identify yourself, and so it's not exactly that 55%.

Right.

But I mean, so, but I mean, that's the 55% of people.

Again, that's over half.

They're saying, oh, you know, no, I think it should be either in cases of

rape, incest.

Again, rape, incest is your position.

It was George W.

Bush's position.

You know, it's a Republican position on this, on this issue.

And that's 28%.

28%.

Another 27% say just the first trimester.

So that would include maybe rape and incest in the first trimester.

Yeah, so anything available in the first trimester.

Then you also have another 10% saying abortion only when it saves the life of the mother, which is more restrictive than George W.

Bush's or your position.

Because there's no research that shows the mother's life is ever today.

It's no longer the, well, this baby could kill the mother.

I tend to agree with you on that, but I mean, that's a more restrictive position than what you have because yours includes also the, in this case, of life of the mother.

And there's 10% say it should be permitted under no circumstances whatsoever.

So if you kind of add that up, you've got 48% saying

Republican or more restrictive there.

Then you have another 27% say it's only in the first trimester, which is far more restrictive than what we have today.

So you are at 75%

of people who are saying we should be much more restrictive than we are today on abortion.

It's not that close.

Only 15% of adults believe the Democrat position or the Cuomo position you just outlined, which is it should be available at any time during the pregnancy.

The only reason why he's doing this is because he wants to be president.

He wants to show how extreme he can be.

And he knows he'll get cover from the press.

The press won't make this into a big deal that he's holding the state hostage.

They'll just use this as his bona fides.

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So, big new story today is Brexit in the UK.

We have the guy, the expert, the guy who basically led this movement, Daniel Hannon coming up.

Stations, just a quick note, we have Daniel Hannon coming on in just a few minutes.

And because of what's happening over in England, he's on a very tight schedule.

Uh, and so we're gonna have to break a little early early and do a longer break right after with Daniel Hannan.

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Brexit was voted down yesterday in Parliament.

And it's really confusing

if you're not really following it.

Brexit was voted by the people, and the people said, we want out of the European Union.

Theresa May, the Prime Minister, went in and made this compromise deal with the EU, because obviously the EU doesn't want England to leave.

And so the compromise deal was: hey, you still get all the trading things and you still get all this and that and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

But okay, you don't have to take immigration and there's a few laws culturally that we'll get rid of.

No, that's not what the English people wanted.

So Theresa May tried to make this grand compromise.

Basically, think of it as the gang of eight.

And this is comprehensive immigration reform.

This is comprehensive European reform.

And other people are like, nope, I don't want it.

That never makes anybody happy.

So now there's two ways to go.

There's a hard exit.

It's just get out.

Or you defy the people and you stay in.

If they stay in the EU, it's going to be really, really ugly.

Now, so you know, Daniel Hannon is a guy who was in the EU parliament.

Now,

I love this guy because I think he is more of what

a senator is supposed to be under our Constitution.

Stu,

how were the senators elected before Woodrow Wilson changed this?

Do you know?

They were appointed.

By the states.

Correct.

Why?

So they would be more responsive to the states' needs.

They weren't federal figures, per se.

So, what you had was you had the House of Representatives.

They were supposed to be responsible directly to the people.

That's why they have such a short period.

We have to have elections every two years because we can throw their butts out

because they're directly responsible to us.

And that's also why the House of Representatives are supposed to be the only ones that can spend money because

we have the closest

rope around their neck.

So they can spend money.

Then it has to go to the Senate.

Now, Woodrow Wilson changed this to make these guys the guardian of the state, capital S, where it was supposed to be, they were supposed to be the guardian of the state, small S.

So Ted Cruz was there to only advocate for Texas, nothing else.

He had nothing else to do with any kind of policies, with an exception of trade and war and things like that.

He had nothing to do with American policy.

In fact, those senators were supposed to go there to try to protect the state from a growing superstate.

That's what Daniel Hannan has done in the EU.

He has gone, and the English people, whether they know this or not, they hired somebody, very American.

They hired somebody to go to their parliament, EU, which...

If you look at the European Union, what is that?

That is a collection of separate countries all trying to be united.

That's what we were when we first started.

When we had the 13 colonies, those were basically 13 different independent states.

And they all had different ideas and different culture.

New York was very different than Virginia.

It still is.

Bringing those all together was really difficult.

Bringing these guys together is, I think, impossible and wrong because they are too different.

So they brought them together, and the English people hired Daniel Hannon and said, Daniel, you go.

What he's done is he has said, nope, we don't want any of that.

He's voted against everything that ties England to the European Union.

And he's been there for years.

So he's acting as a United States senator is supposed to act

in the

big state government.

Right.

And he basically went to work from day one to try to remove Great Britain from the European Union and

destroy his own job, by the way, if he succeeded.

Obviously, with Brexit, he did succeed, but we're seeing now that success is a little harder to come by.

Okay, so he's on a tight schedule today.

He'll be with us in about four and a half minutes from England, and he's going to tell us what all of this means

and what the plan is now, because Teresa may be out, and the person that may be coming in is Corbin, and he is a radical, anti-Semite, and

socialist, communist kind of guy, really not a good guy.

We'll talk to Daniel Hannon when we come back.

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This is the Glenbeck Program, and we welcome a member of Parliament, Daniel Hannon.

Daniel, thank you for being on the program today.

It's been a great pleasure, Beck.

Always nice to be with you.

You bet.

We know how busy you are.

Can you please explain to America, if you can,

what this means?

It appears to us on this side of the water that you're kind of going through the same thing we've been going through, where the politicians are just not listening

to the people,

and they're going their own way, and Theresa May has paid a heavy price for it.

What's happening?

Yeah, I think you put it very well.

When the Parliament voted to allow people a referendum on whether to leave the European Union, it never occurred to MPs that the voters might disregard their advice and vote leave.

And what have happened in the last two and a half years since the vote is basically that our political class, not only our MPs, but to be be fair, you know,

the chiefs of the big rent-seep seeking corporates, a lot of the civil service, a lot of what Americans would call the deep state, you know, our permanent bureaucracy, diplomats and, you know, charities and think tanks and the whole establishment have refused to accept the result.

And although it looks like chaos, it actually has a very simple cause, which is basically the politicians and their allies in the political elites are not doing what the country instructed them to.

So, Daniel, we are going through the the same thing with the border.

Europe is going through this

throughout, and it is going to cause chaos if politicians don't start listening to the people.

Is there a chance that that's going to happen now?

I mean, you'd have thought that a referendum would be the classic case of where politicians have no option but to listen, right?

Because that's what a referendum is.

And yet, as I say, it never really occurred to them to plan for a leave vote.

And so what we've had, there have been some who have right from the beginning just tried to overturn the result or disregard it.

Now I know that that sounds funny, but if you think about it, it's not uncommon practice in the EU.

Whenever they get a result that they don't like in a referendum, they try and rerun it or disregard it.

They did it in Denmark, they did it in Ireland, they did it in France, the Netherlands.

So

they treat public opinion as an obstacle to get around, not as a source of instruction.

And that's why there's unrest in the streets.

Well, I mean, I wouldn't go that far, but

there is a mood of unpleasantness and

incivility in our discourse, rather like in the US.

But for us, it's really, it's really new.

I'd never know

people to fall out.

Yeah.

I meant in Europe.

Yeah.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

That is, that is certainly the case.

And from a similar cause, you know,

and

so, but the funny thing is, the politicians who have been so determined to try and frustrate Brexit, what they've they've done is they've coalesced around this idea of we mustn't leave without a deal.

And this, of course, has encouraged the Brussels side when they were told that Britain wasn't going to walk away.

Well, what would you do in a negotiation?

Right?

Imagine you were buying a house or something, or selling a house, and the other party says, I want you to know that I'm never going to walk away.

I'm definitely going to sign something.

What would you do?

The EU has taken advantage of this weakness to insist on really quite vindictive terms.

And the funny thing is, they may have overplayed their hand, which means that there is now quite a strong likelihood that Britain will leave on the 29th of March without there being any deal at all.

Is that a good thing?

Well, it's not where I would have wanted to start, but given where we now are, I think leaving with no deal whatever is far better than signing up to these vengeful terms that the European side has set.

And you know what?

Life is going to carry on.

You know, people will still open their shops and the traffic lights will still work.

And an awful lot of people who have been predicting economic catastrophe are going to be left looking very silly indeed.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: So, Daniel,

the

Corbyn from, again, across the water and not paying attention to your politics, he doesn't seem like a good dude.

He seems anti-Semitic.

He's a socialist at best.

What's happening with him?

Is he going to get into the mix here and possible next prime minister?

Well, it's a scary thought.

I mean, here's the thing, Glenn.

So we're reading this right about him?

Well, do you know, it's not often that anyone accuses you of this, Glenn, but I think you have understated the situation.

It's a common thing in politics that we use strong language, we use strong words, and we can devalue it.

And then when you're left with the genuine article,

you've almost run out of vocabulary.

But let me put it like this.

Here is, for the first time in British history, a party leader who was on the other side during the Cold War, who regrets the outcome of the Cold War.

He has never seen a communist dictatorship that he hasn't defended.

Chavez, Castro, the Soviet Union, he's pro-Hamas.

He's pro-Hizbollar.

He was pro-IRA.

In fact, there has never been a quarrel that has involved the UK where he hasn't taken the other side.

Even when we were fighting the Falklands War against a fascist dictatorship in Argentina, right?

A fascist dictatorship that disappeared, as they said, leftist agitators and trade unionists that threw people out of planes and so on.

He still couldn't bring himself to back Britain.

This is the guy that two out of five Brits voted for at the last election, which is a truly terrifying thought.

Now, of course, normally in a mature democracy like ours, you would say, well, someone like that has got no prospect of getting in.

I mean, he makes Bernie Sanders look like a Republican.

There's no chance that anyone would vote for someone like him.

But if there is sufficient anger at the way in which the government fails to deliver the Brexit vote, then anything is possible.

What do the people of Great Britain want you to do right now?

What should we be praying for that you guys do that will make sure that it doesn't get more radical and unstable?

You know, I think the best outcome now is that Brexit is delivered, that we become an independent country with its own trade policy, that we move right away to a deep and comprehensive free trade agreement with you guys,

our strongest allies and our biggest trading partners, and we're also your biggest investors, you're our biggest investors, that will be a big part of it.

I think that will very quickly be followed by a resumption of

amicable relations with our European neighbours.

You know, once this Brexit process is complete, I think we'll very quickly get round the table and become allies again.

And I think there will then be a restoration of something resembling normal politics in the UK.

What about Ireland?

Doesn't that cause a problem with the borders with Ireland and all that stuff?

Or is that just nonsense?

I'm afraid it is just nonsense.

And actually, this will become very clear in the event that we leave without a deal, because we will leave without a deal, and it will then be obvious that there is no physical border in Ireland and that there was never going to be.

The whole thing has been cooked up as a way of trying to keep Britain within the EU's trade policy, to allow Brussels to continue to dictate whom we trade with and on what terms.

And

the short answer, when somebody starts saying, oh, but what about a hard border in Ireland?

Just ask that person,

who's going to erect this border?

I mean,

which government is going to send

construction workers to the frontier and tell them to start putting up physical infrastructure?

It's just not going to happen.

Neither London nor Dublin nor Brussels wants it, whether or not there is a deal.

One last question.

Well, if it exits and succeeds, which of course is one of the reasons why Brussels is being so obtreparous and aggressive in the negotiations, right?

I mean, if if any other country, if Canada or Japan or somewhere were offering the kind of trade terms and close continuum cooperation that Britain was doing, the EU would bite their hand off.

They'd say, quick, quick, quick, you know, get them to agree to that before the idiots come to their senses.

But

there are a number of people in the European Commission in Brussels.

Not so much, I have to say,

in the national capitals, not in Warsaw or Rome or Berlin or Madrid.

But in Brussels, there are a lot of people who would rather see all sides suffer than watch a post-EU Britain succeed.

Wow.

Daniel, thank you so much.

We pray for you and we pray for our brothers and sisters across the ocean, and we wish you the best of luck.

God bless.

Thank you, my friend.

All the best to you.

You bet.

Daniel Hannon,

that concerns me.

What he just said really concerns me.

And we have to make time today to talk about that.

I know we're out of time.

Do you want to see it fail?

Yeah.

With what's happening

with the Euro, what's happening with the banking system.

This is just, this is, this is just,

it's all coming together.

It's all coming together.

And we have to be the best people we can possibly be.

All right.

Chechnya crackdown on homosexuals.

You're not going to hear this in the mainstream media.

Why?

I don't know.

But I think this is really important.

We're talking to people who are risking their lives to talk to us from Russia next.

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We are connecting now to a guest in Russia.

They're a member of the Russian LGBT network.

Russia says there's not a problem at all in Chechnya.

What?

Wait, Russia says there's not a problem in Chechnya?

The LGBT community is saying people who are homosexual are being systematically rounded up and tortured and executed.

They say that there is the beginning of a homosexual Holocaust going on.

The person we're connecting to, I don't even know their name.

I'm not supposed to know their name.

Their lives are in danger as they try to get someone, anyone, to listen.

Why isn't anyone on the left really listening?

I hope maybe we can find a coalition of like-minded people who will stand for life.

We'll talk to the people in Russia, hopefully, in one minute.

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Do we know, Sarah, what the odds are?

I mean, are we having transmission?

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Do you know what's happening?

Connection is not happening yet.

It's a tough one.

I mean,

we're talking about a phone call into Russia from someone who's hiding their identity.

Yeah.

I mean, you know, who knows what's going to happen.

I know.

So we'll,

let me just set it up in case we get the connection because I don't want to get the connection and then not go to it.

And I want you prepared for this interview.

This is somebody who is part of the LGBT community in Russia.

If you remember right, about five years ago, I talked to you about the real plight of homosexuals in the former Soviet Union.

Putin was starting to take away driver's license.

People, if you were homosexual, you started to lose rights.

In Chechnya, I told you that they were starting to scoop people up off the street.

And this was five years ago, and we didn't have confirmation of it.

We just had words.

Now, there is the LGBT community in Russia who are these people are extraordinarily brave.

Remember, you're screwing with the Chechnians and Putin.

And they are trying to reach out and say, hey, we have to tell the world what's going on.

Now, we could be like the world was in, you know, 1939 ago, oh, well, that's just a bunch of crazy Jews.

The Germans would never do that.

Or we could actually say, these people are risking their life to get this information out.

And they're Russians.

What they're saying is that

people are being taken off the street by the Russian government.

They are targeted because they are gay.

About 150 people have already been smuggled out of the area.

One guy said I was kidnapped and kept for 12 days in a basement.

They put a blastic bag over my head and put a gun to my head.

I was interrogated, physically abused, and forced to contact a person that I was dating.

They made me call another guy and tell him to come into a car where they kidnapped him as well.

Another

person from Chechnya said that the Russian government in Chechnya electrocuted my friends, beat them, denied them food and water.

My plea to you in this audience is that

we will put aside

feelings that we might have

about

agendas.

And I would say that not just to you, I would say that mainly to places like GLAD.

I don't agree with GLAAD, but if they will stand against this,

I will gladly stand with them.

We need to pay attention.

We have the connection now in Russia.

How do I even address you?

Can I call you by your name or assume name?

Well, hello.

Let's call me just a contact.

Okay, contact.

And you're a member of the LGBT network in Russia.

Yes, that's right.

Can you tell us what's happening in Chechnya?

Well, the thing with Chechnya, it's

really difficult to say what exactly is going on there.

Because the small NGO, we don't have access there.

But what do we know from all the sources?

Is there at least 40 people were detained within less than a month, and at least two people were killed.

Basically, they were tortured to death.

And it only

hold on just a sec.

Could you speak a little slower?

I think I got 40 people have been taken, and two people have been tortured to death.

If you'll just speak a little slower.

Okay, what do we know?

Shall I start from the very beginning?

Yeah, go ahead.

Go ahead.

We're live, by the way, so go ahead.

Oh,

so basically, we know that 40 people were killed, and

at least two people were

tortured to death.

And the Russian authorities, they still deny even the fact that LGBT people exist in Russia.

They don't just deny the fact that they are tortured or persecuted.

So

is Putin or is this Chechnyan or is this

the Russian government and the Chechnyans?

Basically all what's going on it's like all the people are persecuted by the local law enforcement agencies, by the local Chechen police, and both Russian like Russian authorities at all levels, they say that nothing is going on.

At all levels, Chechen authorities say so, and Russian federal authorities say so too.

And if I'm not mistaken,

Russia, and Putin in particular, is not friendly to the gay and lesbian agenda at all.

Well, I believe that it's widely known that Russia is a very homophobic country.

And

they have I know it was proposed, did they end up taking driver's license away from

gay and lesbians?

Known gay and les lesbians?

No.

They did not.

No, basically, no, they don't do like anything like that.

No.

What we have is the so-called law, propaganda law.

And according to this law, it's prohibited to propagate homosexuality among minors.

But it's not defined what propaganda means.

So the court decide on their own what does it mean?

And quite often people are accused for very like simple things.

And how is word getting out of Chechnya about this?

What's going on?

How do you, how reliable is this information?

Well, we first learned about what's going on there in the very end of December.

And we didn't know if

it was true or not.

So we tried to verify everything.

So that's why information basically from us appeared only this week.

We have our own sources, of course.

We work with human rights defenders and with people in Chicnia and we already evacuated more than like around one hundred fifty people from there.

And all these people, they have their own contacts.

So we try, you know, to check from all the sides.

It's really hard to say what's going on in Chechnya right now and other people are still in prison and how many people are killed and what's going on.

But I believe that information we provided about 40 people detained and two killed is reliable.

Tell me what you are afraid of personally, because you're not in Chechnya.

So why what are you afraid of?

Well, you know, we have cases when people who were taken out of Chechnya by us, who were evacuated and put into shelters, were attacked and basically were kidnapped.

And in Russia, we have cases when human rights defenders and journalists who work with Chechnya issues were killed.

So I believe that, like, we, with the Russian LGBT network, have all the reasons to

remain anonymous.

First, for our own safety, and second, to be able to continue with our work, to continue to support those who are in Chechnya.

I have to ask you a tough question here.

America is skeptical, to say the least, about Russia right now and Vladimir Putin

interference and disinformation, et cetera, et cetera.

And we can argue it goes both ways, et cetera, et cetera.

But that's where America is right now.

What would you say to people who would say, well, am I being played by a Russian to help

Putin make Chechnya into

a bad place that he could go in and

be be an iron fist.

You know, I mean, I'm not a politician.

I'm a human rights defender.

I'm really not into politics right now.

And when I talk about Chechnya and about people who are being killed and tortured, I talk about people's lives and I talk about people's destinies.

And what I can say to Americans who are probably listening right now is, like, I truly believe that what stopped the first wave of persecution is international attention.

And I would like basically to ask for more attention

from Americans.

And I believe that it is something that can help many lives, can save many lives.

Well, I will tell you that

this is

a very conservative audience and one that, you know, stereotypical in America would say, oh, they've got a problem with gays gays or whatever.

And we don't.

And

I, for one,

will

make sure that my audience knows about this.

I hope that the LGBT networks here in America will

start talking about this, take this seriously,

and stand with people like me and my audience to save the lives of people who

are being killed just because of their lifestyle.

This is obscene and violates every kind of human right that

you can imagine.

So I thank you for your bravery.

I wish I knew your name just so I could write it in my diary for my children to listen to and to read about someday about courageous people.

But I think you are extraordinarily brave, and our prayers and our best go to not only you, but everyone in your network.

Thank you so much.

Thank you.

If you are listening

and you are on the left.

I would think I would know your name.

I don't.

I don't know how many on the left are listening, but

I would just ask you, please, can we drop our differences?

Can we stop just, well, you can pick it up later.

Can we stop about the things that we disagree on and start just talking about the things we do agree on?

Can we please come together on something like this?

There isn't anyone that is in the sound of my voice,

I believe, that at least that this audience wouldn't turn on,

that thinks that homosexuals should be rounded up, tortured, or anything like this.

Please,

there's something we can stand together on.

There's something that we can do and actually make a difference.

This is the politics of meaning.

Please, let's come together and figure out a way to help the people in Chechnya and Russia who are afraid for their lives today.

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It's an amazing

story because it's something that's not even being covered here in the United States really at all by any of the groups that should be covering it.

Like we're talking about it.

What about all these, you know, these groups that we hear every time Kevin Hart makes a joke and we realize he's the worst person in the world because he made a joke 10 years ago and can't host the Oscars.

Or

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I mean, look, I feel they're that important, but I didn't know everyone else did.

I'm just surprised that you don't hear about these real things.

You know, why wouldn't this be the top priority if you happen to be a gay rights organization?

You have people being killed.

Because there's no political win here.

Yeah.

And that's the problem.

That's the problem.

We've made everything into politics, and we have to stop.

I don't don't think the average person

is making everything about politics.

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And that's what I'm asking.

A friend of the program wrote in and said, I know the former head of one of the organizations, one of the gay networks, and he said, I know that they would be open to

helping.

Fine, great, let's do that.

Let's do that.

How can we say, hey, we disagree on a lot of big stuff, but on this particular issue, we can stand shoulder to shoulder.

How can we get things done?

On this issue, on this issue.

There's no motivation for it because there is sort of a reductionist idea, particularly on these big cable news networks, to bring everything back to how evil Donald Trump is.

Well, it's not only that.

How do you

think it is?

It is a lot of that.

It is a lot of that.

But I think it's bigger than that, too.

How does a group fundraise against a group like us that would say, we want to get involved?

So here's all these conservatives across America, and they want to speak out.

Let's say we came up with something.

We say we want to speak out against the Roundup of Homosexuals, and we're helping lead the charge on that.

How does the gay organizations of America fundraise when we're no longer a boogeyman?

We disagree on things, but we're not boogeymen.

People need boogeymen to be able to fundraise.

You delete the boogeyman, there's nothing left.

Yeah, no, I think that's true, but it also shows that if that's true, which I think

is certainly for many of these organizations,

it shows that their goals aren't real, right?

Like what they say they stand for is not real.

And that's pathetic.

I mean, because, again, this isn't a tough one.

This isn't a tough one at all.

You know, to get to get on board to say there shouldn't be a genocide of gay people in Russia is not a difficult one here.

This is not a heavy lift.

And the fact that

they're going to avoid an issue like that to focus on something that's, I mean, inconsequential by every measure in comparison.

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Now, you want to talk about what do we do with the people that are already here?

That's a different story.

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This week, we or this year, we have we've set out a new goal that we're going to really focus on things that matter, that really matter.

And I want to just kind of recap some of the show that we've had today

and what we still have coming up.

We have Laura Wilkerson.

She's an angel mom on the border.

This is

so critical that Donald Trump wins this.

And at the same time, I think the government is just being made into a joke.

I think people are seeing that, well, government's still closed.

Huh.

And with a few exceptions, everything's running fine.

And that's the point.

That's the point the American people who believe in small government have been making for a long time.

We don't get our power from government.

We don't get our marching orders from government.

They get it from us.

And we're fine.

We're fine.

I mean, we need the government to do some basic things, but that's what the Constitution is for.

So we're going to talk about the border, but we've also talked about politics of meaning in Brexit.

We had Daniel Hannon on earlier today.

Daniel Hannan is the guy who really brought Brexit to

Europe, I mean, to England.

He's really the guy who's been spearheading this thing.

They're going to go through some dicey times in England.

And as he said, there are people in

Brussels that would rather have the entire EU suffer than have England prosper.

Oh, because it's going to encourage other countries to follow their lead if they do prosper.

Which he believes they will, by the way.

And I think that I do too if you didn't have nefarious people involved.

But I I want to bring this up

because look at the things of real meaning that just Brexit touches.

Brexit touches

civility and unrest,

the economy, allies, and politics of meaning.

They're now going to put in, possibly, possibly, two out of five

Britons voted for what's his name, Jeremy Corbyn?

Yeah.

Jeremy Corbyn.

The guy, when I said he's a socialist, Daniel Hannon said, well, I don't think this is ever said about you.

You're underplaying the story.

And basically described a deep communist radical and an anti-Semite.

That might be the next prime minister

just because people are unhappy with the government and he hates the British government.

I hope to God that doesn't happen.

But look at what they have.

Socialist, communist, a guy who is an anti-Semite supports, openly supports Hamas, Hezbollah, Russia.

What do we have here?

I mean, the whole world is going through this, the Western world.

And I don't think it's a coincidence.

What do we have here?

The women's movement, we told you earlier today, is completely falling apart.

Over half of the people that participated and sponsored last year are out.

And because they know it's an anti-Semitic organization, it's not a good organization.

And the people who are in the organization are doubling down and saying, you know, we're not going to do this in Los Angeles because we think it's going to be a lot of white people showing up.

Oh,

okay.

I thought this was a woman's movement.

And so it's just collapsing.

Do we get a, is there a moment at any point where we go back and look at all the organizations and media networks that heaped praise on the women's march movement for the last couple of years?

I know now they might be pulling out, but do they need to go back and maybe revisit their former opinions on this?

And they apologize to us who said this is a radical, this is a radical organization.

And you recall, you just hate women.

you know you're a misogynist if you've said those things those things were true those things were true yeah and as the democratic party uh pretty much verifies by pulling out their support yesterday i mean these are people

the democratic party has members uh that go and travel and visit the castro family yeah and the assad family i mean if they're pulling out of something what is it so look at what europe is doing and england is now doing with jeffrey corbyn and now look over here a casio-cortez the women's movement.

It's the same stock.

It's the same group of people.

And Betto.

Now,

Betto is

somebody that most people don't know, but let me give you a quote that he said when they said, do you like the Constitution?

Are you a supporter of the Constitution?

Is it still relevant?

This was his response.

I'm hesitant to answer.

Because I really feel the Constitution deserves its due.

And I don't want to give you, actually, just selfishly, I don't want a soundbite of it reported.

But yeah, I think that's a question of the moment.

Does this still work?

Can an empire, listen to this, can an empire like ours with military presence in over 170 countries around the globe, trading relationships, security agreements in every continent, can it still be managed by the same principles that were set down 230 plus years ago?

No, because if we were actually living by those principles, we wouldn't have a military presence in 170 different countries.

So he's saying, you know, I want to give the Constitution its due.

I mean, it had its place and its time, but I don't know as a global entity

if this still works.

He treated it like it's the Model T.

It's like, oh, look, it's a great historical thing.

And Ford did some good stuff with that.

But I mean, obviously, we're not driving that on the roads now.

That's how they think of the Constitution.

It's irrelevant to where we are today.

They look at the Constitution as, like you said, the Model T instead of the combustion engine.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

No.

Engines have improved in some ways, but the principles are still there.

Yeah, the basic principles of transportation are still there.

You know, well, you know, airplanes still had their place,

you know, but I'm not really sure the biplane.

Well, the biplane doesn't have

a place in today's modern aviation.

However, the principles behind what they did to take off, those are valid.

A little uncomfortable

with you opposing the B in airplanes and the LBGT community of airplanes in aviation.

Biplanes are completely acceptable.

You should not be criticized.

I know, I'm afraid.

I apologize.

One wing can have sex with another wing, even though they're exactly the same because they're all different.

They are.

They can all choose.

I'm bottom, I'm top.

I'm top, I'm bottom.

They can choose.

And I think the C-plane would be the transgendered plane because that can both go in the water and fly in the air.

I'm not.

I don't.

I think we can build this whole thing out and just, I mean, I'll work on this.

I'll start

my own advocacy group, and then I can start my own march that gets abandoned by the Democratic Party in a couple of years.

So

who is asking the question, how do you short-circuit this?

How do you short-circuit what's happening around the globe?

It's not just us.

It's not Donald Trump.

It's not Donald Trump.

Donald Trump just happened to be the right guy at the right time or the wrong guy at the wrong time, if that's the way you want to look at it.

He didn't create what's going on.

He capitalized on it.

He just did what no one in Europe is doing now to the people.

There's no one in England, maybe Daniel Hannan, that is actually listening to what the people said.

Now look at this with

two things.

We talked about them earlier.

Let's look at the border

the people have spoken if you look at the border and you look at the polling you may not be for a border wall but a border fence very few people in America are like I'm borderless I don't care who's coming in very very few people that's the democratic position

That's their position now.

It wasn't just a few years ago, but it is now.

Well, they won't admit that exactly, right?

They'll say, well, of course we want border security.

We just don't want the wall.

We just don't want a fence.

They'll still say that they want it monitored.

But I mean,

they've never done anything to monitor.

In the last few years, they've done nothing.

Oh, they would disagree with that.

Oh, yeah.

Of course.

But I mean, beyond, like, forget it.

Okay, forget what you're doing at the border.

We know that.

10, 15 million people have crossed the border and are here illegally, and we know what they want to do with them.

So the fact that people got across the border, in many cases, not all, you know, it's about the majority is still overstate visas.

Bottom line, though, is they want illegal immigrants to be able to get a pathway to citizenship, right?

So that, I mean, who cares if they cross the border or if they come in on planes or however they get here, that's their end goal.

They also said that they would never, ever,

they would never, ever let Obamacare go into the hands of illegals.

You lie.

Oh, yeah.

That was a scandal.

Well, it's happened.

I mean, it happened.

So you have to just watch people on their actions.

Yes, exactly.

And politicians on both sides of the aisle when it comes to the border.

I mean, George Bush was not that bad, but he was just as bad in many ways on the border.

You know, he wasn't doing anything on the border.

That was the real wake-up call for me.

Wait a minute.

Who are you, George Bush?

Why won't you take care of this?

Wait a minute.

This is illegal aliens.

What are you doing?

By the way, Bush did do some fencing across the border.

And if you look at the crossings in those areas, they're down 90%.

I mean, mean, entire regions are down 90%.

There's a decent amount of fence that is up.

It's just

fine.

I love that.

Yeah.

Great.

And

the parts

where there is no fence, there hasn't been the drop, though some of them are lower traffic areas.

It is hilarious because

if it didn't matter so much,

it would be comical.

But the idea that you can't commit to having a physical barrier, which is

one of the cheapest ways to monitor monitor their border.

Is it going to stop everything?

No.

No one thinks it will.

So what we're doing is we're arguing about a wall.

What we should be arguing about is border security.

The problem with that, though, is the Democrats say they want it.

And I know that.

When they get in the position to implement it,

the reason why people are at a wall is because they don't believe anybody on border security.

Because everybody on both sides have said, oh, I'm for border security.

You're right.

You haven't done anything about it.

It's like, I'm, I, you know, we've got to check over state visas.

Hello?

It's been 18 years.

That was the problem with 9-11.

You haven't done anything about that.

That's not fixed.

You're not serious about it.

This is the Bubba effect.

So the first part of the Bubba effect is people stand up and say, you know what?

No, uh-uh.

I want this because I don't trust you guys because you'll change the deal.

That's what's happening in Brexit right now.

The politicians don't want to do it.

The people do.

And so they decided, well, let's just mealy mouth around.

Let's do a gang of eight thing.

That's not going to work.

It's not going to work.

And so you get more and more anti-you know, English, anti-EU, anti-whatever it is, Western way of life, anti-American, people who are standing up.

That includes radicals who have different ideas about the country, like Jeremy Corbyn, who is a real radical in all of the worst sort of ways.

And then you get people who are like Betto, who I don't think Betto is a bad guy.

I just disagree with him on his policies and on his stance, I think, about the Constitution.

When you say, I think the Constitution deserves its due, but the question is, is it relevant anymore?

Unless you're following it with, is it relevant anymore to anyone in Congress?

Because we haven't been using it.

We got here because we're not using it.

You start to get people like that.

We have to come together and be very specific in our conversations and be very specific on what we are for.

Yeah, you know what?

It is.

You're right.

It is a humanitarian problem on the border.

Now, what's causing that?

What's causing that is confusion of the law, chaos.

Chaos always causes problems.

So let's be very clear with people in South America and anyone south of our border.

You're not coming in.

You're not coming in illegally.

You're not.

If you have a problem, you go see an embassy.

If you have a problem, we will help those who have actual dire needs.

But there's a system.

Don't put your kid on a train.

Don't come walking 2,000 miles because we're not letting you in.

We are serious about our border.

That causes all kinds of all these humanitarian crises, they all go away.

The problem is, we're being over general on everything.

We're not actually talking about anything that will solve the issue.

Donald Trump is by saying it's the wall.

He's the only one in this that is actually saying this will do it.

And you can call it a wall, you can call it a fence, whatever you want to do, but this has to be done.

We have an epidemic of crappy food in America, and it is literally killing us.

And if we don't smarten up, we're going to have a tragic wave of devastating health complications for the next generation.

We are eating crap.

Now, Stu

doesn't, I mean, he's had Weed Killer.

He drinks Weed Killer.

I don't think I drink Weed Killer.

I mean, I have drank.

Yes, well,

in the past, I've had Roundup.

It was relatively delicious.

No, actually, it's a terrible disease.

You shouldn't drink it.

But that's a good point here: in that, like, if you're going to eat like Americans eat, you might want to also get your fruits and vegetables.

You have to have the fruits and vegetables.

And unless you're going to put a plate of salad next to you, which we all know you're not going to do, that's not going to happen.

No.

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Now, this is real superfood.

This is not supplements.

This is the actual fruits and vegetables, all the minerals, everything that's coming from that superfood.

That's what's in that.

So it's like a spoonful of salad, which does not help the medicine go.

It doesn't taste like a spoonful of salad, though.

No, it doesn't.

It gives you the name of the salad.

It tastes like a spoonful of sugar in comparison to a salad.

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This salad nonsense is driving me out of my mind.

The media is now coming out and saying, oh, Donald Trump, was he being a misogynist by saying the first lady and second lady would make a salad?

Yeah, that's exactly what he was doing.

Yeah, you know, guys, I got the little Phillies.

I told him to go in the kitchen and make you a salad.

Has anyone ever thought that maybe the first lady and the second lady might go, I don't know, dad,

I mean, we just go in the kitchen.

We can make a salad.

First of all, he's not making salads.

He's not making salad for himself.

He's not making food himself.

He's lived the life of Donald Trump forever.

He's the kind of guy, if he wants something, he'll send somebody out to make Donald's, and that's what he eats.

Can we stop with this nonsense?

Tad concerned why the first lady would say dad to Donald Trump.

Oh, the second lady said that.

Well, second lady is Mike Pence's wife, isn't it?

Oh, I guess it is.

Obviously, you were talking about

the daughter of Vanka.

All right.

Welcome back to the program.

Let's talk about Patriot Mobile.

You know, there's a new story out about

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Remember the La Raza Glenn?

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The race?

Yeah, the race.

They've changed their name to something else.

But still, these big mobile companies are donating tons of money to them.

And they're out in front trying to stop any measure on the border of any sort.

And this is where your money goes when you are subscribed to one of these big mobile companies.

They make these donations kind of in your name.

Patriot Mobile went the other way.

They said, you know what, let's have people's money be able to align with their values.

You get to choose

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They have a bunch of conservative charities that they're aligned with.

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Matt Kibbe was a guy who helped start Freedom Works and then left Freedom Works.

You were instrumental in the tea party.

And then you kind of branched out, went out on your own, and tried to find

a way to make politics meaningful and actually get something done because nothing's working right now.

Yeah, that could be a contradiction, right?

Yeah, I know, I know.

How are you, Matt?

I am doing great.

Good.

Should we start with the announcement?

Yeah, let's do that.

Yeah, go ahead.

So as of today, and this was carefully planned for years in advance, not really.

It just sort of happened.

I am officially a member of the Blaze TV family, and I will be launching my new show, Kibbeon Liberty,

imminently.

And it's going to be different than anything I've ever done before.

And it goes directly to what we're talking about.

You know, if the Tea Party was a cadre of everybody that shared a set of values, and we're going to come together and try to impact politics at the margin, I feel like technology is enabling us to reach a lot of new people.

I call them the Liberty Curious.

There's people out there that are trying to figure out where they fit in this hyper-partisan world.

And I don't feel like enough people are even trying to talk to them.

So we're going to try to do that.

I mean, really, who is?

In either party, per se, who is?

I mean, Stu and I talked about this just the other day.

What would it take for you to get back and say, you know what?

I'm a registered Republican.

Nothing?

Five years of absolute consistent voting patterns and standing up for the Constitution?

Maybe.

Yeah.

Maybe.

But I mean, I just, I think more and more people are like,

I don't have a home in either of these parties.

And part of it, like, it's how young people think about the world.

And part of this is very much fueled by technology.

They live in this a la carte world where they get to choose everything.

And they, and they choose from millions of

bands every day.

Right.

And yet when it comes to politics, somebody they don't know decided you get this choice or that choice.

And they're like, I don't even understand.

Well, that's right.

What is that?

Right.

And I think that's the problem.

I think that's, this has kind of been bubbling in my head recently, that the problem is, is that we are so a la carte on everything else, except for politics, that when it comes to something like the border, Look,

here's what I want.

I want security.

I want to know who's in the country.

I want to know that MSS-13 is not getting across the border.

So I don't care what it is.

The wall

is only a symbol of, screw you, politicians.

You've told us you care about this forever.

I don't believe you.

I want something permanent that you can't get around.

It's more about the politicians than it is the people on the other side of the border, I feel.

Yeah, I think that's right.

And I think people on on both sides of the aisle, across the spectrum, have come to this very uncomfortable realization that, you know what, government's been lying to us.

And this is also fueled by technology.

People know more.

And all those politicians who used to say one thing at home and then come to Washington and do the opposite, now you can sort of find out that they were lying to you all along.

So I view it as a paradigm shift.

People are raging against the machine.

It's happening all over the world.

And

all this vacillation from far left to far right and all that stuff.

It's just people trying to figure out how to rein this thing in.

And, you know, they only have so many tools available to them, so they do what they can.

But these symbols, these symbolic fights,

is Trump going to let the machine beat him?

I think they might have met their match.

I do too.

I think Trump may be just stubborn enough to do what lots of politicians have promised.

I'm a veteran of several shutdowns, the 1994, 96 shutdown, and then, of course, the Tea Party shutdown.

And I still believe to this day that the good guys, if they'd stuck with it, would have had a tremendously big impact.

He's going to stick with it.

And I think this is doing tremendous good and bad at the same time.

Tremendous good is it's showing us we don't really need it.

Right.

We don't need it.

We don't need, oh, wow, you can't go to work.

Good.

You know what I mean?

With an exception of a few things, nothing's really unraveling,

except for the media and the political elite.

You know, again, there are certain exceptions to this.

It's good in that way because it's teaching Americans, you know, they're not as important in your life as they try to make you believe they are.

The second thing is

it could get to the point to where it discredits government so much

that you have more more of this attitude of, it's all bad.

Right.

You know what I mean?

I think both things are happening.

And, you know,

I didn't actually know until the other day that there's a guy in the government who's been furloughed who approves beer labels.

Excuse me.

Beer labels.

And I'm like, why is the government doing that?

One of the things you could learn out of this process is that so many government functions should have never been there in the first place.

What is this?

Wait.

Yeah, we've talked about this.

This is craft beers.

Oh, the craft beers guy.

Yeah.

Okay, but why?

What with the alcohol, tobacco, and firearms, right, Matt?

Right.

And I think this is the one thing that people might revolt against

the government shutdown because they're not getting their new flavors of beer.

It really is.

I've thought about switching teams over this issue, I'll be honest.

Go, Kamala Harris.

Although, I don't think she cares about my beer freedom either.

No, she does.

Of course.

So, Matt, when you see things

like Brexit and you see

the European Union that does not have a constitution, does not have a freedom understanding, and you see

this undertow of politicians just being bad,

what does that tell you?

What's coming?

Aaron Powell, Jr.: Well,

it's the Empire Strikes Back, and it's all of us learning across the globe that there is this this permanent bureaucracy.

It's a business.

Big government is a business.

And they don't care about you.

They care about themselves.

And I'm not saying that as some sort of cynical paranoid thing.

That's just, it's how it works.

People in government are just as self-interested as the rest of us.

And if you give them all that power, they're going to take care of themselves, not the rest of us.

But it's...

I happen to be an optimist about this process because I think we're in the middle of learning what government is really about.

And because of technology, we see again and again and again that they take care of themselves instead of doing the things that they said they were going to do.

But it's pretty scary.

And you see this, it's more vivid in Europe than it is in this country.

And you've talked about this all the time.

You see the neo-fascists, you see the neo-Marxists.

And you could get this vacillation from radical right-wing populism to radical left-wing populism because nobody trusts the process anymore.

But that's where we step in.

And we got to fill that void with things that we should have been doing more of.

And I know you did it every day.

But during the Tea Party movement, we needed to spend more time on educating.

Why is limiting executive power so important?

And why does it matter not just now, but 50 years from now?

And we need to sort of fill in those blanks for all of these new eyeballs, these new minds that are trying to figure out how the world works.

You've been so good at that.

I mean, I watch your stuff on socialism and everything else.

You've been so good at teaching and teaching in a different way, teaching to an audience that is not necessarily my audience.

And

yet we have so much in common.

But you're teaching the people who are like, wait a minute, none of this makes sense.

None of this works.

Nobody's teaching that at all.

And, you know, how is it that

free people manage to solve problems without a TSA, without someone approving our beer labels.

We live in this world where almost everything we do is free, and we sort of take it for granted that things work when we're left alone to do that kind of stuff.

But

we've been told that unless the government has a program, that's not going to get done.

But you've got to unveil some of those stories about people helping people and solving problems.

And no one told them to do it.

And there wasn't an appropriation.

There wasn't a regulation.

It's just what free people do.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: You're seeing you go over to the old former

Eastern bloc,

just the fringe company,

Poland, Hungary, et cetera, et cetera.

And they are starving and on fire.

I think that is the new

American alliance.

Those countries are not going to go the way of Russia or Europe if it starts to go ugly.

Do you believe that?

I believe that, but there's a reason I spend time over there is because I want to make sure that, you know, the solution is going to be freedom-based and not power-based.

Because

the thing that's being offered to young people today, which they're rejecting mostly, is

everything's about power, and you can either be a Marxist or a Nazi.

And nobody wants to be a Nazi, so I...

ought to be a Marxist.

That's a false choice.

It's an obscene choice.

And weirdly, if you accept that left-right thing, which I don't really do, in the middle are all the people that are like, I just want to be left alone and I want an opportunity to work and create value.

I don't want people starving to death.

I want to be just a decent person.

And can't we just be left alone?

But that's not what's happening.

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Matt Kibbe on the Glenn Beck program.

So we have have Casio-Cortez, who is a socialist.

You have Betto.

I don't know.

Did you hear what Betto said about the Constitution?

Yeah, I read that tortured.

Is that crazy?

Yeah.

I'm just not sure.

Let me just see if I can give you

the question of the moment.

Does our Constitution still work?

Can an empire like ours with military presence in over 170 countries around the globe, with trading relationships, security agreements in every continent, can it still be managed by the same principles that were set down 230 plus years ago?

Well, no, because we shouldn't be doing all of those things.

Yeah, he sounds pro-empire there.

He does.

I don't think that's where the people are.

It's a nice segue.

Like the progressive left has become so authoritarian that, you know, even on questions of whether or not we should be in how many countries, like, I don't know how many countries we have troops now, but

there used to be an honest agreement amongst constitutional conservatives, libertarians, and civil libertarians on the left, that we shouldn't be doing all that stuff.

Right.

They seem to want to do everything now.

And if you want to do everything, you've got to have all the power.

And principles don't change either, right?

Like the idea that it's like saying, well, with Snapchat and Instagram and the way people are connecting today, you can't treat your relationships by the golden rule.

It's like, well, yeah, the golden rule applies to all of these situations, right?

It's a principle.

And that seems to be lost,

certainly in Washington.

Well,

and again, I think it's ultimately self-serving.

You know, if you believe in power and redesigning the economy and society from the top down,

you sure as heck want to be in charge of all that stuff.

Yeah, I sure you do.

That's what he's talking about, I think.

When you look at the women's movement, the Democrats have just finally dropped their endorsement of them.

They say it's because what was revealed about Louis Faircon on The View.

No, it's not.

No, it's it's it became a bigger cross to carry

than to hold up in front of people.

They've lost over half of their sponsors.

The person who started it is like, this is a really anti-Semitic organization.

Compare this to the Tea Party because the Tea Party didn't implode.

It just kind of slowly faded away.

This is an implosion.

Yeah.

Well, and I've actually written about this, and

there's a fundamental difference.

And I think the reason why the Tea Party was so impactful, why it was a sustainable social movement for, you know, depending on how you measure it, three, four, five years,

it's because we had a shared set of values.

You could wade into any Tea Party anywhere, and they would tell you some version of, I'm here because I believe in individual freedom, limited government, and fiscal responsibility.

They all said it.

They all had similar stories.

So that bound them as a community.

And it was also self-run.

Yeah.

It was community.

It was

complete.

You know, both you and I have been called the leaders of the Tea Party.

And that's silly.

No, we weren't leaders.

We were members, maybe.

Yeah.

I sure was.

And but, you know, the women's march and Occupy Wall Street before that, and I think other

left-wing attempts to recreate the Tea Party, it's a collection of very disparate goals and values and sometimes competing and fighting with each other.

And the only thing that held it together was they hated Trump.

And that's not enough.

That's not going to hold it together.

And that's why we're seeing it fall apart.

That's why it's not been sustainable.

And I think, and I've said this to my friends on the other side, if you want to build a social movement, figure out what a few values are that would hold you together as a movement.

If it's just a collection of all these things we want government to do, I don't think that does it.

Well, but there are values that the ones that they seem to believe in, and I'm talking about the leaders of life,

are not traditionally embraced by America.

Even on abortion, you know, you say, are you pro-life?

Are you pro-choice?

People say, well, I'm pro-life, pro-choice, but it's close.

It's actually not.

When you get past, you know, life of the mother and rape and incest,

it starts, the numbers of supports and first trimester, the numbers start to get very small in support.

Yet you have these politicians who are trying to outleft each other, like Cuomo now.

He's just doing this because he wants to run for president.

And he's saying, I won't sign a budget until we have abortion all the way to the last moment.

How is that going to play out?

Do they see something that I'm missing, Matt?

I guess that's another difference with the Tea Party, because remember how crazy we were.

We wanted to balance the budget.

Right.

And that was

so crazy that 95% of America probably agreed with us.

And we were pushing Republicans to do things that they said they were going to do, things that they won elections on, things that they took Congress and control of Congress with.

It strikes me that progressive elites,

they're sort of covering up their real agenda because they know it's not popular.

And that, of course, it goes back to Alinsky.

You know, Alinsky-style politics is not designed to help the people do the things that the people want.

It's designed to sort of fool people into doing things they wouldn't have otherwise done.

Matt Kibbe,

officially now on Blaze TV.

When's your show start?

Full-time.

As soon as we can.

Sounds familiar.

We already shot an episode, and I'm building out

a new studio, and it's going to happen soon.

Great.

Matt Kibbe, always good to talk to you.

Good to be back.

Thank you.

Matt Kibbe, now on the Blaze TV, make sure you join us.

The voices are

very disparate and

yet all have the same principles.

And I was watching some shows last night.

I don't know if you've seen Kevin Freeman, Economic War Room.

That thing is off the charts good.

Off the charts, good.

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Okay, here's the problem with selling your house.

Who's the real estate agent that you trust?

You could go to the person that you bought the house from, but do you really know if they're good?

This is something that I never really understood, and I've bought and sold houses my whole life because I'm on radio, and so we constantly move in radio.

I've noticed that.

Yeah.

And

so I've always on the losing end.

But I never ask one question that everybody should ask.

A is this your full-time job?

If it's not, run.

Two, what is your marketing plan for my house?

Most people will advertise themselves.

So you call them up.

No, no, no.

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Laura Wilkertson had her son, Joshua, murdered by an illegal alien in 2010.

We talked to her about the border situation coming up.

I absolutely

hate the fact that

I'm going to to do this interview,

or that I have to do this interview, that I think this interview is important.

Laura Wilkerson is

she's a wife and a mom.

She and her husband owned a a plumbing shop.

It's a suburb of Houston in Pearland,

Texas.

And her son, her youngest son, 18 at the time, was brutally murdered, tortured to death by an illegal.

And

we have her.

on the phone to talk about the border wall.

Laura, how are you?

I'm good.

Thank you.

Thank you for having me.

I do not want to put you in,

I can't imagine what your life is like

and having to talk about this all the time.

So I'm going to, you tell the story in any way that you feel comfortable telling the story.

Certainly.

We have three children, and Josh was our youngest son, and he was 18, a senior in high school.

And we sent him to school one day, and apparently during that day a classmate asked for a ride home from Josh and Josh said yes and gave it to him.

And Josh never came home that day and so I knew immediately something was wrong.

I guess it's mother's instinct or you know Josh is always that kid of mine that always knew where he was.

So anyway I went looking around town for him and I

did not find him.

I went by the police station to make sure there wasn't any accidents or something and went by his school to make sure he was there.

At any point I found a his eye I was coming home to start really, you know, trying to see what I could do.

And I looked over and saw his truck sitting in the back by a dumpster, kind of behind a strip center.

And I went over there and looked at it, and I could tell something was wrong with it.

So I called my husband, called police, and they came down.

And

shortly after that, they opened the dumpster and asked me to come over and see if these were Josh was things.

And they were.

It was his shoes and his backpack and all the stuff that had come out of his truck.

And so we stood there in that parking lot for hours.

You know, I was wondering if Josh was in there, and uh, finally, they sent us home and they took his um

his truck as you know, as evidence and made it a crime scene and then sent us home to wait.

And

uh, that morning, about three in the morning, they came back and said they had a suspect in custody and that they wanted us, we're going to look for him all the next day.

So, we spent the next day, a whole day looking for him, and finally, he gave up where he had put Josh's body and told where it was, and so they found him.

He was brought here from Belize by his parents when he was 10.

And we found out at trial that

he just overstayed, I guess, his visa.

But when we finally had two years to bring him to trial, first he was incompetent, so we had to send him away and force medicine on him.

And then we brought him back, jury trial, he's confident.

And then we went straight to the criminal trial.

And at that point, the killer got on the stand and told us exactly how he murdered Josh.

And he said, you know,

I first kneaded him so hard in the stomach, and when he did it, it sliced Josh with spleen.

And next, he took a closet rod and beat him in the head with it until the rod broke in four pieces.

And he told us that Josh kept trying to get up off the ground, and

he didn't want him to, so he

strangled him.

And he said, you know, bloody bubbles were coming out of his nose.

And, you know, as a mother, you sit there and you hear that, and you think, you know, he's struggling to breathe and grasping.

And then he strangled him over and over

until death.

And then he tied him up with 13 loops of rope around his neck and to his

hands and feet down behind his back.

And he put him in our truck and he drove around town and bought

$2 worth of gasoline.

And then he set him in a field.

And he put his ID and wallet, you know, eight or ten feet away from the body, I guess wanting wanting someone to know who he was, and then he set him on fire after death.

I'm sorry, Laura.

I can't imagine.

I just

My daughter went into the hospital.

I have one daughter today in the hospital for looking at brain surgery, and I have another daughter who was in the hospital for something else this weekend.

And I can't imagine losing my children from natural causes.

Yes.

I don't know how you

deal with it.

Now,

you lived in Houston for a while, and this was a guy.

He was kind of a dreamer, wasn't he?

I mean, he would have fallen under the Dream Act.

I believe so.

Yeah, he fit that dream kid description because he was brought here, I think, under the age of 16 is what I'm thinking it was.

And then just, you know, he was brought here young and then overstayed.

I guess what maybe he had six months visa.

You know, it's hard to find out for me to find out anything about him.

Whereas if you're an American citizen, about ten minutes, you're going to know everything about, you know, you or I.

That's another part of the problem, you know.

But that's as far as I know.

Yes, he was brought here by his parents when he was 10 and then overstayed.

You know, when the police first went to his parents' home and said, you know, your son has killed this boy, and his father said, well, I have a ticket to Belize that I've had for three weeks and I'm using it, you know.

He did not end up using that, but that was, you know, it wasn't about, you know, what what kid?

What are you talking about?

How could my kid ever?

You know, it was none of that.

It was, I have a ticket that I've had for three weeks, and I'm going, I'm going to use it.

For his son or for him?

For him.

For him.

And he just didn't.

So that was his response.

Oh my gosh.

What are you talking about?

My kid killed somebody.

You know, it's just a response that

I thought said everything it needed to say about him, you know, his parents, even.

So Laura, don't talk to the politicians, because I don't care about the politicians.

and

just talk to

a mom or a dad right now.

I assume that you don't hate all immigrants and you don't hate

Hispanics or anything else.

Talk to a parent on why

the conversation that we're having right now is so important,

and I mean as a country, and why

a border fence, a border wall is imperative.

Yes, it is imperative.

You know, you, and I can't explain, really, there's not words to even explain to you the depth of the pain when something like this happens, when you lose a child, in anything.

But then you add the trauma and the violence and the knowledge that he shouldn't have been in this country in the first place.

And you're absolutely, you die that day.

You know, I died that day to who I was.

And you have to, it was down too much as learning to breathe again and crawl again and walk again and stand up again.

And it's a rebuilding of our lives that will take forever

to do.

And the pain is just, it's just a soul pain that it goes so deep you can't hardly even describe it.

And we've got to have, you know, it's imperative to have the border because we have a right as American citizens to know who's in this country.

And he didn't,

did he come across the border illegally?

Did he make that trek across the border?

Do you even know?

His parents had a six-month visa for him

and it overstated him.

Right.

So it's where he was.

It's not, and this is, I think, really important to point out.

This isn't just about a border wall or a border fence.

This is about fixing this problem, knowing who is here.

We've known that people are overstaying their visa since 9-11.

That was the biggest problem.

We haven't fixed that even.

It doesn't seem like anybody cares about.

And I don't mean to, because you know this isn't true, but it feels like no one cares about people like you.

Oh, absolutely.

You know, and I don't even know it's not true.

I mean, that's the only way I've made it through is that, you know, God has assured me that, you know, of where Josh is today and and that he will get me through this and and that's the that's the you know the security that I have but you're right we have a right to know I mean I can't fly to Austin from Houston to Austin without a driver's license and you know what it took to get that and what you have to maintain you know you don't have you can't have a half thousand tickets and have a driver's license and you know you you work to just follow the law that's what you do as an American citizen you do it or you don't get the privileges to drive to fly to you know those things and I just don't understand why they would want to give it away in even leniency on those things to people that have already committed the crime of coming in this country or overstaying a visa.

Have you talked to President Trump?

I have.

Have you?

I've talked to him on.

Have you talked to Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer?

Have they ever

talked to you?

I was able to tell my story to Nancy Pelosi once.

But in a hearing?

No, it was a town hall and I happened to be in the audience and her response to me was that she was sorry and

that thanks for channeling my energy, but that everyone in her sanctuary city was a law-abiding citizen.

That was her answer to me.

But no.

They don't want they know.

They know.

I mean, they absolutely know what's happened and what's happening, but they just don't want you to think they know.

You know, they want to seem oblivious to it.

But everybody knows.

I mean, so many more people have died than in 9-11

from illegals in this country that it's

mind-boggling that that's so easily forgotten, how just a couple, you know, nine of them that got in and stayed a while and hated America.

I tell you,

I mean, I don't have anything like this in my life,

but I have done enough homework and I scream at the television and people on both sides.

And I can't imagine it being as personal as it is for you

and how you just don't understand when this is all just common sense.

All of this is common sense.

It's absolutely common sense.

I just think, you know, you can't hardly get it across what it does to American families.

You know, they're broken in so many ways, you know, of our own making, divorce and stuff.

And this right here just devastates a family.

It's absolutely the most devastating thing that I could ever imagine.

And being, you know, able to live, if there's anything that's greater pain, you know, I don't think I've lived through it.

And I can't imagine what's worse.

How's George, your husband?

He's doing well.

You know, we're all learning to put life back together, and that comes with a lot of aggravation and overwhelmed, and you can't really do the job that you used to do.

And, you know, it's just a mix of all of it.

And you never know what you're going to get when you wake up, if it's going to be kind of an angry day or a sad day, and you just have to learn to live it.

I'm going to get yelled at by my producers who are always telling me I'm out of time.

But can I just take a minute with you and just ask you this?

Tell me who your son was.

Josh was just a really, really quiet, good kid.

He'd never been in trouble.

You know, he was learning what he wanted to do to life.

He thought he might go in the Air Force like his brother.

And he just was a good kid.

He was very compassionate.

You know, he died doing exactly what we taught him to do.

I would never have told him not to give somebody a ride home.

You know, he was the most compassionate, quiet kid, but he really had a close relationship with Jesus.

You know, sometimes he would say things to me and I would just go, ooh, you know, I knew that came from Jesus to him and not from me.

And he really, really was just a good kid.

He's very quiet.

I think that's why people in this community were just so alarmed about it because he didn't have an enemy that I can think of.

He just didn't.

Laura, thank you.

Sorry to put you through that.

Thank you.

Oh, thank you.

God bless.

Laura Wilkerson,

an angel mom.

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I want to play audio from CNN, a CNN correspondent interviewing David Webb, a conservative about race.

Listen.

I never considered my color the issue.

I considered my qualifications the issue.

Well, David, you know, that's a whole nother long conversation about white privilege and things that you have the privilege of doing that people of color don't have the privilege of.

How do I have the privilege of white privilege?

David, by virtue of being a white male, you have white privilege.

This whole long conversation.

I don't have time to talk about it.

Arriva, I hate to break it to you,

but you should have been better prepped.

I'm black.

Okay, then I think.

You went to white privilege.

This is the falsehood in this.

It's an amazing clip.

It is.

You can't even have a conversation without race.

And as soon as race is introduced, and you're wrong,

it's my privilege.

I gotta go.

I mean, it's truly remarkable.

Truly remarkable.

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