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Do you you have your women's march tree up yet, still?
I don't.
I still have to see.
I know I decorated it.
And the lot is just at this point, there's almost nothing left.
I know, I know.
If you didn't get your women's march tree, it's probably too late.
But for those of you decorating, remember, it happens on Saturday.
Oh, my son broke one of the ovary ornaments I had.
You're kidding me.
Beautiful glass ovary ornament.
Yeah.
Well, I had one.
It got all tangled up.
We had to have it removed.
Oh, no.
Yeah, but anyway, the movement has really shown signs of strife that's what the media would tell you it's actually imploding an article in tablet magazine revealed deep-seated anti-semitism among the co-chairs of the movement which is kind of really kind of funny for a movement that brands itself as is you know a haven of intersectionality the examples just keep piling up
Just yesterday, there was another,
and I really mean this sincerely.
I hate to bring you the audio, but I will in one minute.
This is the Glenn Becks program.
All right, we've got just a couple of minutes of commercials in this half hour.
We've kind of changed things up because I hate those long commercial breaks just as much as you do.
So let's chat for a minute and then write back into the program.
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So it's so, I mean, it's really diverse, the women's movement.
It's very, very diverse.
If you hate Jews, you're in.
If you like Jews, well, it's not that diverse.
It's not that diverse.
Let's not be crazy.
Tamika Mallory, Carmen Perez, Linda Sarseur, and Bob Bland.
It's that that diverse.
Bob can be a part.
Bob Bland is an exciting name.
It's hard to be, it's hard to have a sexy,
you're not going into like performance.
You're not going to be like on American Idol.
That's not your future if you're born Bob Bland.
Like, you're either an accountant or you're managing some organization.
Like the women's movement.
Anyway, we've learned about the anti-Semitism and that it is very common among these women.
Teresa Schook, who founded the Women's March,
has repeatedly asked these people to step down.
The co-chairs, quoting, have steered the movement away from its true course.
I have waited, hoping that they would write the ship, she wrote, but they have not.
In opposition to our unity principles, they have allowed anti-Semitism, anti-LGB, LGBTQIA sentiment.
Plus two.
She didn't include the plus two.
Oh, okay.
And hateful racist rhetoric to become part of the platform by the refusal to separate themselves from groups that espouse these racist and hateful beliefs.
This is the creator of the movement talking about the leadership of the movement.
Tamika Mallory gave us the latest example.
She continues to stand by Louis Farrakhan.
Listen to her response.
And Tamika, you came under some fire for your relationship with Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam.
Now,
he's known for being anti-Semitic, for being homophobic, but you do attend his events and you posted, I believe, a photo together calling him the goat, which means the greatest of all time.
And you are running an organization that says it fights bigotry.
Do you understand why your association with him is quite problematic?
No, I think it's important to put my attendance, my presence at Savior's Day, which is the highest holy day for the nation of Islam, in proper context.
You know, as a leader, as a black leader in a country that is still dealing with some very serious unresolved issues as it relates to the black experience in this country, I go into a lot of difficult spaces.
Here's where the real problem is: it's at the end of her nonsensical answer.
Listen, but let me push back a little bit.
Why call him the greatest of all time?
I didn't call him the greatest of all time because of his rhetoric, I called him the greatest of all time because of what he's done in black communities.
Ah,
okay, okay.
Here's a little taste of what he's done in the black community:
white folks are going down,
and Satan is going down
and Farrakhan by God's grace has pulled the cover off
of that satanic Jew
and I'm here to say
your time is up
So, I mean, you know, that's a quite an accomplishment there.
We are going to be looking into the women's march on Thursday's television broadcast.
You don't want to miss that.
You want the truth about, you know, the people who are running the women's march movement?
Have at it.
The mainstream media won't give you all of this.
They're not going to say anything.
They will talk about, if you're a deplorable, how Hitlerite you are.
Even though you don't like Hitler, you like the Jews, you support Israel, whatever it is,
they'll still tell you that you're a white supremacist and yada, yada, yada.
But Louis Farrakhan can say these things and they don't mind.
We do, and we have the expose coming up on Thursday's television program only on the Blaze TV.
Speaking of television, I, I, you know, look,
no, let me just say this:
Gillette, you're dead to me.
You're dead to me.
And I started watching this with an open mind.
And I thought, okay, you know what?
I agree with these things.
I don't want men to be pigs.
I hate.
I watched Mad Men.
Did you watch Mad Men?
No.
Okay, so I watched Mad Men and it's like, I can't believe the world was like that.
Okay.
It's not like that.
And if you are like that, you're a throwback and you just don't have any place.
The world wasn't like that.
People were not that good-looking back then.
Okay,
I'll give you that.
All right, so listen to this Gillette ad
bullying, the Me Too movement against sexual harassment and masculinity.
Is this the best a man can get?
That shows their commercial visit for the years.
It's been going on far too long.
You can't laugh it off.
Who's the daddy?
What I actually think she's trying to say.
Making the same old excuses.
Stop for a second.
Stop for a second.
It's showing these images of, you know, comedy shows.
First of all, one of them is from like the 1950s.
From the 1950s.
You know, we still have that happening with the women ogling the construction guy drinking a Diet Coke.
But, you know,
it shows stuff that we all know.
We all look at now and go, ick.
Okay.
It's showing a lot of Gillette ads from the past.
You know, good for them.
Now go ahead.
Boys will be boys.
Boys will be boys.
Boys will be boys.
It has these boys fighting.
Okay, and there will be no going back.
Stop.
So far, I'm like, okay,
all right.
I mean,
please don't preach to me, Gillette, but yeah, okay, I get it.
There's nothing you would disagree with in this.
It's just, and that's what pandering is, right?
Like, pandering is something you say that no one can disagree with because you're trying to kiss the butt of your audience, right?
Here's
where it goes off the rails for me.
Go ahead.
Because we
believe in the best in men.
Men need to hold other men accountable.
Stop.
Stop.
That is something my father taught me.
I'm 54.
That is something my father taught me.
So why is this a new idea, Gillette?
That men have to be men, not boys.
The problem with men is not men, it's boys.
It's boys.
It's boys that never grow into men.
I know what a man is.
I was taught what a man is supposed to do.
And then I was taught, no, don't do any of those things.
No, no, no.
I was taught by feminists, no, no, no, don't you hold that door open?
Don't you, don't you do that?
Don't you stand when a woman comes to the table?
No, no, no, they're just like men.
Well, a man stands at a table.
If a woman would like to stand at a table when I arrive, I don't mind.
I think it's unnecessary, but kind.
Thank you.
Wow, that's, wow, thank you for honoring me that way.
I just, I was just talking to my son this weekend.
A man
stands to shake another man's hand.
If you're kind of sprawled out on the couch and somebody comes by and they're like, hey, dude, just want to say hi.
They reach to shake your hand.
You stand up and shake that man's hand.
That's what a man does.
It's respect.
Now I've grown up with that.
I think most American men have grown up with that.
But let Gillette tell us what it's really like.
Come on.
To say the right thing,
to act the right way.
Some already are.
In ways big.
Young men forever push it and small.
I am strong.
I am strong.
But some is not enough.
Somehow we treat each other okay.
Because the boys watching today
will be the men of tomorrow.
Yeah, thank you, Gillette.
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I will always use Bic.
I will never buy another Gillette product.
How dare you,
how dare you lecture me about bullying?
About bullying.
It shows two boys fighting.
Well, boys will be boys, calling each other names.
Well, that's just the way they are.
No, now, because we at this stupid razor company, we want you to know that we're pulling for the ladies.
We're pulling for the victims.
What the hell do you think the American ethic is?
Why do you think our armed military is different than the rest?
Because we don't go in and rape people.
We go in and we set them free and we try to set things right and we try to show there's respect for people.
We go and rescue the Jews.
We go and rescue the women.
We go and rescue people because that's what men do.
Boys do not.
Men do.
Shut your pie hole, Gillette.
Sorry, I'm just tired of it.
Say a razor commercial, just in case you were wondering.
I know.
Isn't that the point?
That's part of what pisses me off.
That's what's annoying about you.
It's a razor commercial.
You're selling us crap, you lousy pieces of crap.
You're selling us something.
You got around, you sat around in a boardroom and like, well, what can we do to really reach people?
I know.
We can do.
Shut up.
Stop manipulating us.
Oh.
Okay.
And by the way, for the people who like this Gillette commercial, all the women who are cheering, aren't you the ones that are telling us about the evil corporations?
Huh.
You're kind of missing it on this one, aren't you?
All right, we want to talk about Brexit coming up in just a second.
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This is the Glenn Beck program.
So today is the day that we're supposed to break they're supposed to vote on Brexit.
Now, in case you don't understand what's going on,
let me just sum it up in two ways.
You know what's happening on our border?
Where the people have voted and said they want a border wall?
They want border security.
Let's just leave the border wall out.
They just want border security
and the politicians haven't done it and it's kind of pissing people off.
That's what's happening with Brexit.
The people say, I don't want your immigration rules.
I don't want you telling us how to live our lives.
We're English.
We're British.
So stop telling us how to live our life.
They're
anti-colonialists.
They're saying to Europe, don't colonize us.
We're our separate culture.
So that's what the people are saying.
The politicians are doing exactly the same thing that they're doing here in the United States.
They'll say one thing, but when it comes push to shove, they'll do another.
So Teresa May has brokered this deal.
Well, nobody in their right mind wants this deal because it doesn't give their sovereignty back.
They still can't make trade agreements.
They're not Great Britain.
They're still in the EU, but they don't have to live by some of the rules like, you know, immigration, et cetera, et cetera.
So the people feel like we do.
When they talk about comprehensive immigration reform, we're all like, no,
get this done first and then we'll talk about how what we're going to do after that's exactly what's happening over in uh england but they have something else going on and that is the irish problem
the irish apparently and i didn't i didn't know this and i don't know if i fully understand this uh correctly but the irish
To solve the, you know, remember the Protestant, Catholic, IRA kind of wars that were going on where they wanted to break away from Great Britain?
The way they solved that, apparently, was if you were in Ireland, you could have a British passport or you could have an Irish passport.
You could do one or the other.
You could be a British citizen or an Irish citizen, stay in the Commonwealth.
But you kind of, you know, you have self-determination and we're going to open up the borders, et cetera, et cetera.
So it wasn't a problem when everybody was in the EU, but now Ireland has voted to stay in the EU.
So what do you do?
It's Great Britain.
It'd be like if Florida decided, you know what, we want to stay in
the TPP.
We want to stay in this new agreement.
We still want to be part of America, kind of, but
we want our own thing.
We're not going to do this treaty that the rest of America is doing.
And it's a trade agreement.
Well, what would happen?
First of all, that would start to eat away at the Union.
If Florida could do that, why couldn't Texas?
Why couldn't others?
And so you get on this slippery slope of you don't really have a union.
So there's one problem with it.
The second problem is
if
Florida was making their own trade agreements,
one side or the other, America or Florida, is going to have better deals on certain products.
So let's say they made a really great deal with Germany because Germany was pissed at Donald Trump or whatever.
And so they started getting Mercedes in and they had them at really low prices, no tariffs, everything else.
Well, people from the other states would go in and buy that Mercedes in Florida and then drive it out.
Well, how do you work with that?
Because it's part of our country.
Do we have to put a border there?
Do we have to have tariffs?
Do we have to have new laws restricting what Florida can do?
And we have to stop Florida from coming in.
And let's say, you know, the United States had cheap steel, but because Florida decided not to do it, they're going to have to buy steel with the tariff.
So, how do we stop steel from going into
Florida?
And how about those citizens who are like, look, I didn't want anything to do with this.
I'm an American citizen.
I have every right.
That's what's happening now with Brexit.
And it's because of the politicians making this overly complex.
I think with an exception of Ireland, I I think that is a complex problem.
But they're trying to go in and not do what's called a hard exit,
which just says, We're out.
And that's what the people want.
And if they don't do this, you're going to see increased strife in England against the politicians, and it's only going to make things much, much worse.
You're listening to Glenn Beck.
Okay, so I start Field of Greens.
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Yeah, yeah.
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so if you think that all men are basically uh in the me too movement uh you want to hear more about the gillette commercial coming up next with pat gray
let me give a free advertisement uh here for the dollar shave club as i open up my uh my envelope uh that i get from the dollar shave club and i
I get my new razor blades from them, but I also get
know a little like a little toilet reader and stuff like that which i don't get from gillette
uh so hello welcome to the program pat gray from pat gray unleashed the podcast that you can hear uh live uh every day before this program and then download and at your uh leisure and your uh your your time that you want to listen to it do you actually use blades now uh
yeah about half the time haven't used blades since i was in high school if any yeah
about half the the time.
I have what's called a newfangled invention called an electric razor.
Do you?
Yeah.
Interesting.
Yeah, it's strange.
You're going to switch to Gillette now, though, after this ad.
Because if you don't, I mean, really, you hate women.
Women use Gillette.
And now I'm even more committed to not using Gillette.
Really?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Because you do.
I'll never.
I don't really care.
I've never, you know, Bic, you know, Gillette, clamshell.
I don't really care usually.
Does it have a sharp edge that I can trim my beard beard with?
I care.
I care.
And by the way, the edge.
That's the name of a guy.
Not the flamingo.
What is the flamingo?
I think the flamingo is their new pastel colored men razor.
I think.
Maybe it's for women.
I don't know.
I saw the Gillette ad
on the same deal about the
commercial or about
the men's commercial.
So maybe it was just an autofill thing and it was a women's razor, but it appeared to be a man's razor.
I don't care enough to even look into it, but if that's your idea of a man's razor,
wow, wow, see, that's you're exactly the man they're talking to in this commercial.
Yeah,
am I,
I want you to, I'm not sure.
You know, Gillette, I invite you to my house for a while and hear the things that I teach my son and then lecture me.
You are a giant corporation that is only trying to sell a product.
You don't really care because you were the one pumping sweet cheeks into my living room for decades.
You are the ones that said, hey, girls find this sexy and hot.
Woo!
Put your cheek next to mine, sweet cheeks.
And they weren't talking necessarily about the cheek on your face.
Wow, that's toxic.
That was a toxic rant.
These guys,
if they could sell more razors by being pigs, they would.
They would.
Of course they would.
That was their plan, right?
They did it.
And this is just like, we are unhappy with our market share of women's razors.
So here's a commercial for you about how good women are.
Like, it's so transparent and awful.
Well, they say that this is to sell the men's razor, but
is there a guy within the sound of my voice that watches that commercial and hasn't hasn't already been raising your son to be that kind of a man?
And does
that and doesn't have a visceral reaction to how aggravating and maddening this and insulting this commercial is?
Right, because it's insulting.
It's unbelievable.
It's not even the content, right?
No, there's nothing in there that anyone would disagree with, but that's the point.
That's what's annoying.
It's just so insulting.
The disagreement comes from the sweeping indictment on an entire gender of human beings.
That's the implication here: is that men are bad and we want you to be better from at Gillette.
They said some were okay.
They said some were okay.
Yeah, they did.
It's also like watching BP or Exxon
do their commercials.
You know,
people are burning fossil fuels.
And you're like,
what?
You're the people who've been pumping that at literally pumping that for decades.
Amazingly, they're doing that too.
Yeah, I know they are.
They really are doing that but at least they're lecturing themselves yeah you know what i mean yes at least bp is like beyond petroleum no you're not you're petroleum well but we'd like to be beyond petroleum okay well they actually had a legitimate
wings too they brexited their name we're not british we're not british we're beyond we're beyond petroleum right uh that's that's amazing uh it's just it just strikes me as embarrassing there is a level there of of the sort of dominoes approach though isn't there where they're like ah you know our pizza used to to suck, but now we're now our pizza's good.
That's kind of what they're doing.
They're like, they're showing their own ads.
Okay, but wait, wait, wait, wait,
Dustin Hoffman has to answer today for something that he did or said while filming the graduate.
Okay?
Gillette doesn't have to explain what they were doing.
Wasn't it Gillette that did Joe Namath?
It was one of them.
I mean, they don't have to explain.
They don't actually have to explain what they were doing when they were selling sex and razors back in the 70s or the 80s or the 90s or maybe two years ago.
They don't have to answer for any of that.
But if I, God forbid, said something, my son said something in 1995, my life is destroyed?
How dare you?
It's really weird.
And I think
this is a strange thing.
We've talked for years.
I mean, how long have we been doing the show?
And we've talked about how the left and the media are pushing the boundaries, and we're losing those sort of traditional values, right?
Like, everybody's having sex with everybody.
Like, they've now combined that with like this really odd puritanical
set of demands where you can't, like, you can't talk about sex.
You can't talk about any of these things.
Like, you have to, at the same time, be way over the line and break every barrier of what was at one point good taste.
But at the same time, you can't say anything to anybody.
It's a new religion.
It is.
It's a new religion.
These are the puritanical priests that will tell you what you can and cannot say.
And what's so aggravating about this is you're the one always saying to us that
we're too tight.
We're too afraid of sex and everything else.
We just want everybody to be wholesome.
And well, now, what is that Gillette ad?
That Gillette ad is teaching your children to be wholesome.
It's teaching your children not to ogle girls, not to pinch their ass,
not to whistle at them and cat call them.
And it's a good thing Gillette came along because I was teaching my kids exactly the opposite.
That's the only reason why I taught my son how to whistle.
Right?
I put my kid in cat-call class.
I was teaching him how to be a better cat caller.
I put him in construction sites so that he could learn from the workers.
Oh, that's a smart thing.
That's very good.
Easy.
Because all construction sites are like that.
They're all men.
They all do that.
All men are like that.
That's what they do.
Yep, right.
It's toxic masculinity.
Toxic.
Amen.
Just as
poison spilling out of these men.
Just poison spills.
Thank you, Pat.
Thank you for that.
You're welcome.
It had to be said.
Can I talk to you about a poisonous
man?
Absolutely.
A guy who has just.
You're going to have to narrow it down, though.
though i mean it's all men well everybody's gonna know this one tim allen he is the worst of the worst i mean he's been pushing that to be a bad kind of man your whole our whole life well abc did the right thing by firing him um unless you're looking for money or ratings uh fox just put them on debuted he had great ratings for a show that i really haven't seen talked about i didn't know it was even i would have watched it had i known that it it was coming back.
It was coming back.
But here is
here's
just a real quick clip of the new Tim Allen show as it's back on Fox.
Oh, no, I'm trying to DVR my favorite show, but it's not on.
Oh, well, maybe it got canceled.
You know, the TV business can be a heartless bastard.
Canceled.
Why would they cancel a popular show that everybody loves?
Maybe they're a bunch of idiots.
Just try another channel.
Oh, the mic.
They don't just take a show off one network and put it on a different.
Hey, there it is.
You're right, Mr.
B.
Am I wrong, or is it like way better on this network?
Way better.
Way better.
I'll be damned.
I've never heard of this happening before.
Well, it's pretty rare, but the show must have a lot of loyal, kick-ass fans, huh?
How great is that?
How great is that?
Satisfying.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, if he just wasn't so toxic in his masculinity, I think.
Tools.
You know, he wants you to talk about tools.
He does.
Tools.
That's the men.
Tools.
Power tools.
You know what that means.
Women in short shorts.
Oh, my goodness.
Exploited them.
Oh, my goodness.
Exploited them.
Well, Gillette, thank goodness.
Thank goodness not.
If that show is number one, Gillette will not advertise, I'm sure.
All right.
Thanks, Pat.
Let's talk about the ex-chair.
Sitting in the ex-chair now doing the broadcast.
You can have an ex-chair just like this one.
Carol Merrill, tell us a little something about it.
What?
Gosh.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Well, you keep purses in safes.
I thought you were the least masculine here in the room.
Really?
Do you want to revisit your my wife is telling me what to eat for every meal for a month and it's all lettuce?
Do you want to revisit that one?
I think I will defend
your honor.
May I just point out, I'll defend that one all day long compared to I bought a safe and my wife puts all of the purses.
We don't keep guns.
We don't keep any manly stuff in there.
We keep her purses in that.
Yeah, I'll just.
Oh,
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And wait till I turn these things in.
I'm going to be living on an
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I'll tell you about the X-Chair because I like it and not you.
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So what's happened with Stephen King?
The author?
He's been actually, I think, overrated for a really long time.
Steve King.
How about Steve King?
Steve King from Iowa.
Yes.
Yes.
I don't know exactly.
We've been looking into this.
Steve's always been rock solid.
I've never had a question about Steve King ever
until recently.
And he's been controversial with the media for a while, but a lot of people.
I've never thought Steve King, oh, he's a racist.
He's a white supremacist.
Oh, he hates whatever.
Never,
ever have I thought that about Steve King.
There's something that bothers me about this whole incident.
Explain what's going on.
He did an interview with the New York Times in which he said the quote was, I believe,
white supremacist, white nationalist,
Western civilization, when did this language become offensive?
That was the money quote, right?
So they're saying basically, like, you didn't know that white supremacy was
offensive.
And so, but his explanation is, yes, he was talking about, people are always talking about white supremacy and white nationalism.
The Western culture, when did Western culture become offensive?
And there's some reason to believe that's what he meant, and that his next sentence was, I took classes on this, and they told me about the merits of it, and
is that bad now?
Now, no one took a white supremacy class.
No one took a white nationalist class.
You did take Western civilization classes.
A lot of people did.
So, you know, there's some reason to believe that that's what he was referring to.
And really, it comes down to, on this particular quote, and a lot of people can bring up things on the side of Steve.
Steve King, and I think we should talk about those too.
But on this particular quote, there's no audio of it.
I have yet to see the context in which it happened.
I don't understand why we haven't seen the entire transcript of this interview yet.
I want to see it.
It may very well be that he did something terrible here and he is this bad guy.
But I mean, but like,
there's a period, there's a comma instead of a period in this quote where it says, white nationalist,
white supremacy,
comma,
and Western civilization, it doesn't even say and.
It's just Western civilization when did these things become offensive or when did this language become offensive?
If you put a period after Western white nationalism, so he's maybe referring to something else, white supremacy, white nationalism.
Listen, Western civilization should not be controversial.
That's a point he's making.
I think most people, most certainly most Republicans would not disagree with it.
I think what he's saying is that I'm saying all of these charges.
You're this, you're that, you're this, you're that, you're a white supremacist, you know, you're you're a white nationalist.
Western civilization
is,
remember when Katie Couric said to me,
what is the
white culture?
Right, exactly.
Okay.
Remember
everything that you're theoretically fighting that point.
Correct.
Katie, it's everything that you and people like you are now saying is horrible.
It's Western civilization.
Western civilization.
Yes, people of many colors and many backgrounds and many religions and many non-religions helped formulate this.
But generally speaking, it was European.
And even Tim Scott, who came out and wrote an op-ed saying how bad Steve King's comments were, says, if it's Western civilization, we all agree that we can defend that.
But he's not getting the benefit of the doubt, even from people who would be friendly with him.
He's had everything taken away from him on Capitol Hill.
You know, everybody, even die-hard supporters of him,
have bailed on him.
But I wonder if it's bailing on him because...
I feel like this is the last straw.
The last straw.
It just makes it impossible.
It's just too hard to defend somebody.
And I don't know.
This particular thing doesn't.
There's something I can't square with it, with this New York Times quote.
It doesn't make sense.
We can go over the details on that.
But
his endorsement for the Toronto mayor thing was really bad to me.
Really bad.
It was to me, too.
So
I don't know what's going on with him.
Reach out to him because we've had respect for him for years.
And I don't even know what to think on this one.
You know, it doesn't look good,
but I would want somebody to give me a fair hearing.
So let's have Steve on and let him explain whether you buy into it or not.
At least let us give him a fair hearing.
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I am so excited for this interview.
This is one of those things, you know, I've told you in the past,
you know, I lived at the time when Tokyo Rose was still alive and she had such a tale to tell and she died and I didn't reach out and talk to her.
I mean, these people who have experienced history or are making history, I mean, I've got the greatest job in the world.
All we have to do is call them and go, hey, would you come on the air and talk to us?
There is somebody who everyone in this audience, I think, would you say that's pretty safe to say, what, 90% of everyone in this audience
knows this person's voice, but you know nothing about her, and you have no idea the story of how it got from her mouth to your iPhone.
You have no idea.
She didn't even have an idea.
I won't tell you her name yet.
I'm just going to tell you that her
Twitter handle is seriously Susan.
Seriously Seriously,
Susan.
In one minute.
This is the Glenn Beck program.
Okay, there's about 7 million people getting hit with a flu this time of year.
If one more person asked me if I've had a flu shot.
No!
I haven't had a flu shot.
When did this become an absolute must?
I mean, it's not a bad idea.
Don't mind, you know, I just, when did this become a must?
We didn't have everybody crying over flu shots when I was growing up, and we all pretty much survived.
When did this happen?
You take flu shots all the time?
I do get them every year, yeah.
Every year, you get them.
But I don't think it's, I mean, there's been years I haven't.
Right, right.
I mean, I get them sometimes.
I don't get them sometimes.
Why is everybody making such a big deal?
Did you get your flu shot?
No, I didn't.
You should have a flu shot.
Why should I have a flu shot?
Is it something really, really bad this year compared to last year?
Get off my back about the damn flu shots.
I've got other things I'm worried about.
Like, Like,
I haven't changed my air filters yet.
Nobody's asking me, have you changed your air filter yet?
No.
You should change your air filter.
You know what?
I hired a company to send me air filters so nobody ever has to ask me,
have you changed your air filter yet?
Typical rich person thing.
He just gets to get people to come and do all of the stuff.
No, no, no.
No, you can just, you can go right now to filterbuy.com and you can actually save money by having your filters delivered directly to you and then nobody has to say have you have you checked your filter yet have you had your flu shot no leave me alone
go to filter buy they're going to leave you alone they're just going to send you a filter and then you see it on your porch you're like oh i got to change the filter nobody has to say anything filterbuy.com you know we wouldn't have all these problems with stupid people if we just didn't have all these stupid people i'm just saying filterbuy.com filterby that sounds a little anti-human, doesn't it?
It does.
Good thing we have Siri on with us next.
Filterbuy.com.
That's filterbuy.com.
Susan Bennett is her name.
Susan Bennett, the original voice of Siri.
Welcome to the program.
How are you?
Hello, Glenn.
It is so.
First of all, I want to get into your history, but just answer this.
You didn't even know you were going to be Siri, did you?
Correct.
I had no idea.
And when you actually got a phone call from a friend who said, I just got this new Apple iPhone, it sounds just like you.
Yes, it was an email and a fellow voice actor, so he recognized my voice.
And he said,
yeah, this sounds just like you.
So I went on the Apple side and listened, and I said, well, that's because it is me.
Isn't that weird?
All right, I want to get into this whole story with you, but let's start at the beginning.
You've been a voice actor for a long time, which is quite honestly my dream job.
You don't have to think.
All you have to do is just read the words and just think about how they sound the best.
That's fantastic.
You don't actually have to come up with stuff.
You can roll in and do it.
I'm sure that's not the actual case.
No, that's the way I want to believe it.
Susan, that's the way it is, right?
Just say yes.
Oh, yes, you can believe that if you'd like.
Why do you sound like Siri talking down to me when you say that?
Well, yes, Siri does that.
Okay.
So
the original Siri did that.
So you were actually working in studios and the voice actor didn't show up and you're like, I can do this, right?
No, actually,
the owner of the studio at the time said, Susan, you don't have an accent.
I bet you could read this copy.
So I read it and said, oh, yes, I can do that.
And as a, you know, a true freelancer, I was excited to find another avenue to pursue to make a living.
Because you were a backup singer for Roy Orbison.
Correct.
I mean, like, that's like, that's amazing.
So Siri was like a backup singer.
Oh, and I got to sing a duet with him in concert.
I played the Emmy Lou Harris part.
Yeah, it was exciting.
We traveled all over the world.
And Burt Bacharach?
Yeah.
So like you have serious musical chops.
Well,
that was really exciting.
It was truly a high point in my life.
Do you sing anymore?
Oh, yes.
Yeah, I sing all the time.
My husband and I had a band together for close to 25 years.
I was two when I started.
Holy cow.
And yeah, we still play together.
And right now, the only consistent thing we do, actually, is we're in a band called Boomers Gone Wild, and we play nothing but 60s and 70s rock and soul music.
That's cool.
And everybody in the band plays by ear, so we take requests, and we even play songs we don't really know, so it's a lot of fun.
We should.
I mean, we have calls for bands from time to time.
We do fundraisers and stuff.
Are you still for hire?
Oh, absolutely.
Are you kidding?
Oh, yeah.
Are you any good?
We're always for hire.
Are you guys good?
Well, I'm not going to say we're not good.
All right, so all right, so you started doing commercials, and can you give us any things that you've said that we might have heard pre-Siri?
Oh, dear.
Because you did stuff for McDonald's.
And in the past,
when, you know, before technology allowed all voice actors to just work from home, and it's basically up to the engineers to put the commercial together,
back in the day when we would all get in the studio together,
it was a lot more fun.
And actually, you were talking about the fact that, oh, you just have to show up and read the copy.
Well, sometimes that wasn't the case when we all got in the studio together because sometimes we would improvise things and they would actually say, oh,
that's better than the script.
Let's use that.
So,
yeah.
So
you did the loudspeaker announcements over for Delta Airlines for their gates.
You did Macy's, McDonald's, Goodyear's, Papa John, IBM, Coca-Cola.
You also, you were the voice of a lot of GPSs where you're like, at the next, go ahead, say it, at the next safe spot.
Get a quarter of a mile, make a left turn.
Oh my gosh.
Oh my gosh.
That is so wild.
Do people ever like get into a car with you and just be like, that's weird.
That's just weird.
Well, some people, you know, it's amazing that some people really, really don't hear as acutely as you might think, because when
they actually altered the original Siri voice with the iPhone 5S.
And I was one of the few people that really thought that it was different.
Most people didn't recognize the change at all.
And it turns out that they did not get another actor at that point.
They actually just manipulated my voice.
you know, with computers and manipulated audiologically to sound just a little bit different.
And finally,
only
really acknowledgement from Apple that I've had is if you ask Siri today
who I am, she will say Susan Bennett is an American voice actor and the original voice of Siri up to OS 11, which was last year.
And now suddenly, yeah, Siri's a millennial now.
Okay, so your voice is not being used at all for Siri now.
Nope, I'm done.
I've had my stint as Siri.
It's over.
Wow.
So now,
this is the really interesting part to me.
Because
you didn't, like, when you did GPS or you did loosen technologies and, you know, for the operator, press, go ahead, say one of those things.
Yes, for Susan Bennett, please press one.
Right, okay.
For all other calls, just hang up.
And when you did things for the GPS, like at the next, you know, next light turn, you actually had to say those things?
Well, no.
Anything that was recorded for the Nuance Company, which is the biggest IBR company in the world, and from which Apple got all the Siri voices.
And people go, wait a minute, all the Siri voices?
Well, you have to remember that I do not speak every language in the world.
And so they had other voices doing different
languages for different
countries.
And so we didn't, we really had no idea.
The recordings were done, my recordings were done in 2005.
I've spoken to some other people that started even earlier than that.
Wow.
But we recorded all of these sentences and phrases that
were created just to get all the sound combinations in the language.
For instance, can you remember any of those?
Oh, of course.
Cow hoist in the tub hut today.
Say,
ask Fossa, ask fussy.
Wait, wait, say them again?
Cow hoist in the tub hut today.
Say Fossa, ask Fossa, ask Fussy.
You could hear from the sound, they were just trying to get the sound.
And we read just thousands and thousands of those phrases.
And it was actually very, very tedious.
And,
you know, I think I actually had a little brain damage during that time.
I bet you did.
But you had no idea who was actually on the other end buying this.
No, we were sort of told that we were just doing generic phone messaging,
you know, where we were doing recordings for phone systems.
And
I guess it's a combination of naivete and
just
the the desire to do a lot of work that we found ourselves in this position of having our voices used
in a lot of different places,
basically without our permission.
It's a complicated thing, but the way I look at it is we sort of we sort of were in the middle of that
transition period between
doing business as usual and doing business with, you know, at the speed of technology.
So we really had no idea exactly what we were doing.
I will have to say it was a, you know, it was a little troubling at first to realize that.
And then it's sort of like anything else in life that you're surprised by, something you don't expect, and you have to figure out a way to deal with it, adapt, adjust, and spin it to the positive for yourself, which is what I've done.
And it's turned out to be really
an incredible thing.
It's really been a very fabulous thing for me, especially at this particular time in my life.
So, I want to talk to you.
Take a one-minute break, Susan, and then I want to come back.
And I want to talk to you about
because you didn't record it,
you basically handed one thing that is uniquely you,
your voice.
And it's saying things that you never said, and
how that plays in a person's head.
And
also,
should there be a law?
Should there be something that says, hey, a voice is unique?
I mean, I think this is the future.
Actors, old actors, anybody, if you don't own the rights to yourself,
you can now be manipulated and you could be a movie star, but it's not you.
And I want to talk to you about that.
Susan Bennett, the original original voice of Siri, when we come back.
All right, one minute, and then we're back with
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So Susan, I don't want to talk specifically about Apple.
I want to talk about this in theory.
You had your voice, you know, you signed the contracts and the personal everything, but you had never thought of this technology and how it could be used.
And your voice was in some ways taken from you.
Did that play games with you?
Yes, yeah.
It was a it is kind of a troubling thing.
But I think even more troubling than that is
because of just the ability
with technology now, they can basically make you s sound like you're saying anything.
They can change
the tone, timbre, pacing of your voice.
And even recently I put together
I do a lot of Siri appearances and speaker events and I wanted to put together a
speaker demo.
And I was working with a video editor.
And all of a sudden he said, said well you're saying this but we can fix that I'm going what
oh no so you mean we can't so we can no longer trust anything we hear or see this is not good yeah so you know basically you know I try not to take it personally because it's it's sort of just the way our culture seems to be going I don't necessarily think it's a good thing
yeah I don't either I mean as somebody who
I watch technology and I've been concerned about deep fakes
that are
going to be a problem starting, I think, in 2020, real problem.
And that is the manipulation of video and audio.
So, where you cannot believe your eyes and ears, they can make me say anything, and you won't know.
I wouldn't even be able to tell.
I mean, like, wait, I'm never, I never said that.
When did I say that?
And the deep fakes are getting so good
that that just changes our whole world, doesn't it?
Yeah, it really does.
I find it quite appalling.
I mean, even to the point where I've done so many interviews, and I appreciate doing a live interview because
many times
interviewers take a direct quote and just sort of make it their own and end up saying something that I didn't actually say.
And, you know,
I just really try to not think too much about it because
it is very troubling.
And
I feel very bad for really famous people, you know, the George Clooney's and the Jennifer Annistons of the world, because
God only knows what
people are saying about them or
attributing
things that they have said to them that were not true.
So
that's a very, very strange place in our culture.
We are.
That's one of the things deep fakes are doing.
They're taking celebrity faces and they're imposing them
on
sex acts and X-rated videos.
and you can't necessarily tell that's not George Clooney.
Well, one of the things I think is a problem is that
a lot of people believe this stuff because I think that too often we've given over our own brains and our own individuality to just the general culture and to TV and media
and social media particularly, just in general.
I think that people,
in a way, with all these digital devices that we have, you know, we just tell Siri or Alexa to do this or do that.
And we don't really have to think about it.
I think it especially
affects children.
I have a friend who has grandchildren.
She says, oh my gosh, she said, they tell Alexa to do everything.
She said, Susan, these girls don't even know how to turn on a light bulb.
You know, they tell Alexa to do it.
And I think that we're losing a lot by not going through the process of learning things or the process of doing things.
You know,
in the dark ages when I was growing up, you would go to the library and you'd look things up.
That's right.
Now you just ask Siri.
There's
no process of learning when you're doing these things.
So I don't know.
I think that's kind of scary.
Susan, so what's up for you next?
What do you hope to do next?
Well, I just hope to do more of what I'm already doing, which is Siri appearances and speaker events,
which I really enjoy, and it's not something I ever envisioned.
I mean, that's something that Siri created for me, so I'm grateful to that very much.
It's a wonderful experience.
I've actually had a chance to go to some pretty exotic places like Croatia to do these speaker events.
And so I would just like to do more of those.
Well, maybe we should find out,
have you do some,
this is the Glenn Beck program kind of stuff.
Oh, no, no, no, no.
You have to pay for that, Glenn Beck.
No, I know.
No, no, no.
I knew that's what I said.
We'll have to talk to you about that.
I knew.
Yes, let me give you the number of my agents.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
No, I'm very well aware of that.
No, I've done enough freebies.
No, I know I'm very smart.
I know.
Believe me, I know.
Susan, thank you so much.
I appreciate it.
Thank you.
You bet.
Bye-bye.
It's great.
Yeah.
That's going to be a weird position because, I mean, you know, we didn't, like, in my mind, if you were the voice of Siri, like, you know, you're just getting a $25,000 a week Apple check from royalties that are coming in.
And that's not really what happens here, right?
She didn't say any of those things.
It's the algorithm.
It is a deep fake that we've been talking about.
But it's, you still know with the voice of Siri that it's manipulated somewhat.
But very soon, you're not going to be able to know that it's manipulated.
I mean, listen to when she was saying the Siri stuff.
I mean, that's her.
That's her.
It's crazy.
Just crazy.
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the
first half of the Gillette commercial.
Because I think we all agree that these are good things, and we're glad that the world of madmen is in the past, especially if we have daughters or we're married to a woman.
Let's play the first half of this Gillette commercial.
Bullying.
The Me Too movement against sexual harassment.
Is this the best a man can get?
Is it
as well?
We can't hide from it.
It's been going on far too long.
You can't laugh it off.
Who's the daddy?
What I actually think she's trying to say.
Making the same old excuses.
Boys will be boys.
Boys will be boys.
Boys will be boys.
But something finally changed.
Stop.
Stop.
So far, no problem.
Okay?
I don't want to.
Still pandering from a razor company.
Yeah, well, I haven't gotten there yet.
They haven't said anything.
You're watching this and you're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You know, it's gone on too long, and that kind of stuff.
Boys will be boys, and bullying, and all of that stuff.
Bad.
Don't disagree with the goal here.
No, of course.
Here's where it goes wrong.
Go ahead.
Allegations regarding sexual assault and sexual harassment.
Once what she says,
and there will be no going back.
Oh, no.
Because we
believe in the best in men.
Men Men need to hold other men accountable.
To say the right thing,
to act the right way,
some already are
in ways big
and small.
I am strong.
I am strong.
But some is not enough.
Somehow we treat each other, okay?
Because the boys watching today
will be the men of tomorrow.
Oh!
Gillette,
the company that has been talking about sweet cheeks since the day I was born,
they are now lecturing me about
the grotesqueness of our society.
You've been pumping in the bikini-clad girls going, oh, yeah, look how smooth his face is forever.
Please don't lecture me and don't lecture me on what we have to teach our sons.
I've been teaching that my whole life, and my father taught that to me.
Luckily, I'm not the only one a little upset about this.
Jeff Allen is calling in.
Hello, Jeff.
How are you?
Fine, man.
How are you guys?
Well, you know, I just, I'm trying to keep keep my blood pressure down and uh and this nonsense just doesn't end
yeah it doesn't it keeps going so i i was talking to tammy um and uh i realized this all began uh with the 19th amendment
is there a way we could repeal that and start over the way it started with the 19th amendment and you want it repealed
yeah you think we can and tammy tammy said well it's probably not going to happen because there's too many women in congress but uh right
right by the way should we say that's a joke so we should we put that out there as a joke.
No, I don't think he is joking.
Did you think he was joking?
I heard it.
I heard it myself.
I don't think he was joking.
My gosh.
Exactly.
You know, I just, isn't that what you taught your son, Jeff?
I sat my boys down when they hit that age, when they started dating.
And I said, that's somebody's daughter, somebody's future mother.
And I said, if you had had a sister, would you want some kid manhandling them in the back seat of a car?
And no,
it's a common sense discussion you had.
Right.
And there's a difference between married to a woman, you know.
Yeah, the guys who don't do that are still boys.
They never grew up.
They're still boys.
Men
are boys who shave.
You know, they're little boys who shave is what I call them.
Yeah.
And
they're out there, but I don't think it's
the majority.
So is this.
And like you said, I don't need to be lectured by a commercial.
I know.
Is Gillette just trying to sell razors, more razors to women, or do they think this will work for men?
Well, most of the men that I know are growing Harry's beards, every last one of them.
Yeah, I know.
There's a reason to grow a beard now.
And maybe they're going after the
transgender,
the changeovers.
Okay.
Yeah, could be.
Jeff Allen is a comedian.
He has been out on the road for CRTV and The Blaze on Make Comedy Great Again.
How's the tour been going?
Well, we're off until February 1st.
We're going into New York February 1st and 2nd.
We did
is this like some sort of sacrificial
animal you guys are that we're just putting you into New York?
Yeah, exactly.
Well, that's what I thought that was odd.
Go to the Northeast with a tour called Make Comedy Great Again.
And it's a non-political
tour.
So I
didn't understand.
It's not my job to create the title.
Right, right.
Okay.
Okay.
Did you see that Tim Allen's show
has debuted now?
Absolutely.
And it's on our queue, man.
We record it every week.
See, I didn't even know that it was back on.
I just don't watch enough television to get the commercials for all of that stuff.
I knew that he was going to, but I didn't know it debuted.
And it's doing well.
Yes, it should.
It's a very good show.
And it's funny because it's one of the few sitcoms in history where there's a strong male lead.
Back in 2001, I did a pilot for Castle Rock.
And one of the reasons they were going to do the pilot with me is because we pitched a strong male lead in a sitcom.
And the head of the studio, he was 55 years old at the time.
And he said to me, he goes, you know, it's so unusual.
And he said,
it used to,
sitcoms used to have strong male leads that he remembered years ago.
I guess he started with all in a family, and that's when things started getting kind of absurd.
But yeah, I said, I can change a diaper, I can do all that other stuff without looking like a bumbling idiot, you know.
And obviously, it didn't get picked up.
So,
right.
But, you know, Tim is one of the guys who is,
you would say, almost the stereotypical guy that Gillette should be preaching against.
His act has been that.
And yet he hasn't been affected by this at all.
In fact, if anything, maybe being made stronger.
Right.
Because there's
a desire, I guess, a desire for it.
I mean, whether they want to come out and publicly admit it.
But it's,
I think strong men are attractive.
I really do.
Okay, we have that on tape.
Yeah, you got that on tape.
We have that on tape now.
Yeah, we have that.
I'm attracted to strong men.
If I went that way, Mike Row, I'd say.
Right, right, right, right.
Tim, or Tim, Jeff, it's great to know no relation to Tim Allen.
That's kind of sad.
I get that all the time.
I had a guy get me a job somewhere, and the guy comes over to me and he goes, so how's your brother Tim doing?
I go, what?
Who told you that?
And he goes, your friend did.
And this guy was a pastor.
I said, you lied to a pastor.
You'd never deny the reality, Jeff.
You just say,
yeah, he's doing great.
He's doing great.
He's thinking about playing here, you know, if you booked me a few more times.
So I appreciate it.
All right.
Jeff, great to talk to you.
Jeff Allen, comedian at large.
And you can find
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A lot of comedians making comedy great again.
Also, returning for a new season is
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Steven Crowder is back, I think, on Friday, is he not?
It's Thursday, isn't it?
I think it's the 17th.
Yeah, and
he's going to be sharing some more personal things, and
it should be quite a season with Steven Crowder.
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Coming up next hour is Brad Meltzer, one of my favorite guests of all time.
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He did the, what is the TV show, his TV show that he does?
Yeah,
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Yeah,
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And he's just, he's got this great mind and loves history as much as you do, as much as I do.
He's got a new book, and I think it comes out today.
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You know, as we talked to yesterday,
the country is not as divided as we think it is.
The people that you live around are not as divided.
It's Congress.
The parties are far more polarized than the American people.
They're just kicking people out that have common sense.
For instance,
does this sound like common sense?
Does this sound like something a mainstream party would say?
right now
we need to change the dialogue and find a balance in u.s domestic terrorism strategy uh so far um
uh
wow uh so far there is nobody paying attention to the links of the trend of anti-government activism to Timothy McVeigh and the bombing of the Alfred Murray building in Oklahoma.
That event served as a touchstone for over two decades,
and
it is making a
cottage
industry with right-wing hate.
That's why
Benny Thompson, the representative from Mississippi, who is now in charge of Homeland Security, is going to have hearings as soon as Congress comes back in because we really need to look at
terrorism.
And it's not the terrorism of 9-11.
It's not the terrorism of
al-Qaeda, but it is the terrorism posed by right-wing extremists.
This is what they're going to use their power for, right?
Investigating the president and calling every right-winger a terrorist.
That's what what the Democrats are going to do with their newfound power.
This is terrifying.
This is terrifying.
They're going to start looking at anything that they deem as a conspiracy theory,
anything that they deem as right-wing hate, and they're going to start looking at the speech and those who are perpetrating this.
And
who's going to be called?
Who's going to be called for the hearings?
It's going to be interesting to find out.
I mean, they will go after, I mean, they're going to go after certainly, you'd think, the Alex Joneses of the world, right, in that conspiracy world, the Pizzagate people, all of those sorts of groups.
But then they're also going to try to, I'm sure,
loop in people who aren't close to extremists.
The guy who went into Pizzagate
had been lied to.
Okay.
But even he, when he went in, said, oh, wait a minute, this isn't what I thought.
He didn't go in and kill people.
No.
No, I mean, he should go to jail.
Yeah, he should go to jail, and he did.
But he didn't kill a bunch of people.
Here's Representative Thompson's quote.
He wants to find a balance in U.S.
domestic terrorism strategy because so far we have focused too heavily on the threat of homegrown Muslim terrorism and too little on the rise of the far-right white nationalist and anti-Semitic groups.
Would that include Lurs Farrakhan?
Would that include the women's march this weekend?
Surely they're going to include that.
Surely they would include that.
Will that include Antifa?
Of course not.
They are only looking to the right.
This is outrageous, and this is the new Democratic Party.
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How much is a human life worth?
How much is it worth?
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We have spent treasure and lives, spilled blood all over this world, protecting people, freeing people.
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I want to ask that
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So, I told you that about four or five years ago, I went back up to New York and I met with the heads of
GLAD.
And I said, Can we put our differences aside?
And this is not going to go well for me.
This will cost me all kinds of listeners because it will be seen as a sellout.
People
won't really listen to the message at times.
You know, they'll take the pictures and they'll spread it across the internet.
It will be bad for me.
But I believe in something, and I know you believe in something.
And we can argue about wedding cakes all day long.
Or we can look at what's happening in Iran and we can look at what's happening in Russia.
They are killing homosexuals in Russia.
They are taking their driver's license away in Russia.
I spent an hour, and the head person at GLAD in New York had no interest.
She just kept bringing it back to wedding cakes.
And I said, People are dying.
Yeah, well, wedding cakes.
Oh my God.
I have never been more frustrated in my life.
I open up to any organization that I may disagree with, and you may disagree with me on 90% of whatever it is we say, but we have to stand for life.
There is something now that is happening in Russia, in Chechnya, and it is so bad, the LGBTQII2, did I get them all?
A.
A.
Plus.
That organization over in Russia has to have
their
identity obscured and their voice altered to be on the air anywhere in the world.
What's happening is in Chechnya, the Russians are scooping up homosexuals and they are torturing them and killing them.
It's being called the beginning of a genocide of homosexuals.
Why are we not talking about this?
Why is it that our political class and our media is so hyper
on
toxic masculinity,
so hyperactive on we've got to have 90 some genders.
We must have bakeries serving cakes for every event under the sun.
And you can still believe all of that, and you could still all do that.
But is that the priority when there is a beginning of a genocide happening?
Shouldn't the world stand up and say, hey,
this is wrong?
But did you hear that Kevin Hart joke from 2009?
Because that is, wow, that was offensive.
I'm glad they were all over that.
So we have that going on currently.
Currently, now, this was five years ago.
It's only gotten worse.
And now the people who are standing up for gay rights in Russia are so afraid to stand up because they're going to be taken next if anybody finds out.
That's just getting worse, and we continue to ignore it.
Then there's this.
Pakistan was the first Islamic country to come out against what China is doing to the Uyghurs in China.
Up to a mill, between a million and two million, up to two million, definitely a million Muslims have already been picked up by China in this one province and put behind bars into concentration camps.
What's happening to them is so horrific.
It's just a re-education camp.
That's all it is.
But it's sleep deprivation, light deprivation, it's torture.
We had one woman who escaped three times and finally escaped from China, came here to the United States, spoke, no one covered it.
And she said, we are being forced to drink things that make us bleed from every orifice.
The women are.
She said, we're being sterilized.
She said, I can't prove it because I just got here.
I'll go to a doctor, but
they're making us drink things that makes us sick and bleed from every orifice.
This is genocide.
The Chinese are just saying, well, you know what it is.
We're just trying to make these Muslims
like normal and usable Chinese citizens.
Oh, that's all you're doing.
Why is no one talking about this?
Now, when I said at the beginning of the hour, how much is a human life worth?
We know in Pakistan, it's a road.
It's a highway.
It's a highway.
It's a literal highway.
They came out and they condemned China.
China came back to the leadership of Pakistan and said, hey, we'd like to do some more trade with you and we'd like to build a literal highway
that we can, it'll help with trade for you and for us.
And it's going to be great for business.
Well, they did.
And now all of a sudden they're saying that, no,
these aren't concentration camps.
There's nothing to worry about with China.
We talked to them.
Hey, have you seen the new road we're building?
Why aren't we talking about the homosexuals and their real plight?
The real plight of homosexuals?
Why aren't we talking about that?
Because we've sold out for a political agenda.
We've sold out because we have to make Donald Trump look like an anti-gay president, even though he's the most gay-friendly president this country has ever had.
Certainly ever elected.
Ever elected.
I mean,
we've sold out for what?
For political purposes?
For a wedding cake.
We will look and turn a blind eye to people who are being tortured and systematically killed because of their lifestyle.
We'll turn a blind eye because we want to make sure we prove a point on wedding cakes.
We want to make sure that that baker makes wedding cakes for anybody, at least anybody we're protecting,
but nothing.
Silence in the media, silence from the organizations here, silence from the
mosques here in America.
Because, well, we've, you know, the West is just so evil.
America is just so evil.
America, sure, we can come here, we can say things like, this country should be destroyed in the country
because that's just how evil we are.
But we'll remain silent.
Or if we're Pakistan, we'll just condemn Israel that lives.
with Muslims in their own towns, treats Muslims in their hospitals exactly like they treat Jews.
We have to call them the great Satan, but China will build a road.
And so we're not going to say anything about our own people.
Did we say concentration camps?
I think we meant recreation centers.
That's a rec center.
It's a nice gym.
It's got a volleyball court.
It's got a swimming pool with lanes.
You know, it's like you can really get some good exercise.
Good for the heart.
Do you know why Western civilization is so important?
Do you know why we can't wipe Western civilization off the face of the earth?
Because this is what Western civilization strives to do.
To stand up for those who can no longer stand up for themselves.
That's what we do.
You want to talk about toxic masculinity?
Let me tell you about the Navy SEALs.
They're pretty masculine.
You know what they do?
Stand Stand up for the women and rescue the women who are being systematically raped and abused and killed and buried in graves nowhere to be found.
We're talking about Western civilization that says care about your enemy.
Love your enemy.
Without Western civilization, I don't give a flying crap about the homosexuals in Russia because I'm not one of them.
And those organizations here in America, well, they're trying to take us down.
They're trying to shut me up for what I believe.
So I don't care about those guys.
No, I care about all human beings because they're my brothers and they're my sisters in God.
That's Western civilization.
Where is it in these organizations?
Where is your Western civilization?
Where is your, dare I say it, Christ-like attitude for the people who are actually suffering today?
Because I got news for you.
That baker doesn't make your wedding cake.
Fine, that says more about him than you.
You can still go get a wedding cake someplace else.
And why would you want him to be forced to make your wedding cake anyway?
You already know who he is.
Stop wasting your time.
Get married and then spend your time trying to save lives.
I didn't hear anything about this on the news today.
I did hear, though, that the president served McDonald's at the White House.
I mean, that is so low-class.
I can't believe it.
Can I tell you something?
That story I actually like.
Oh, I love it.
I love that story.
It's my favorite moment of the entire presidency because it's better than Gorsuch.
It's better than Gorsuch and Kavanaugh put together.
I love the fact that he slammed a bunch of Wendy's and McDonald's and Burger King on the table.
Me too.
I love it.
I think they should do that all the time.
I think they should next time.
I don't care if the entire government is back.
I want the same people who were making the food last time, have them deliver on silver platters McDonald's and Burger King and Domino's, bring in some Taco Bell.
I love that.
I think it's fantastic.
That's America, man.
It is.
It is.
And it's like, you know, we're not those, we're not a country of titles and kings and nobility.
We're just working people who go in and, yes, we all have McDonald's, we all have Burger King, we all have Wendy's.
Not all of us, because I know there's some very dangerous.
But I mean, I want a state dinner like that.
Like, I want visiting dignitaries to sit down to
a freaking burrito supreme.
I want the other countries around the world to go, these guys are just such simpletons.
I mean, they don't know what fine dining is.
We know what it is.
We know what it is.
And once in a while, it's nice to have fine dining.
But most of the time, and especially when you're on a budget, this is what Americans eat.
Yeah, have that back at your palace.
When you come and visit us, it's going to be Brooklyn style from Pizza Hut.
Get over it.
I love that.
I do too.
I love that.
And the only reason why we're talking about that is because we're also talking about the real things, politics of meaning, where people's lives are at stake.
And then
just to be able to survive the day, just be able to kick back and go, yeah,
Wendy's at the White House.
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Wow, it was it, 22, 23 right now?
Yeah.
End of the year.
I'm going to be hopeful and say closer to 30.
Really?
Yeah.
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If I really had to guess, I would say closer to 15, but not 15.
I think it might be down a little bit this year.
Oh, that's still hopeful.
Yeah, I'm still hopeful on that.
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So do you want a fun story about you choose the news here, Stu.
A fun story about destruction, how we're all going to die, or a serious story that's just going to make your head pop off.
So either way, I'm dead?
Yes, yes.
Okay, so I think if I'm going to die, I want to do it the funnest way possible.
Right?
So let's talk about this polar shift.
Let's talk about the polar shift.
Okay.
Are you following No, I only heard you talking about it.
Okay.
So, the polar shift, this is something I've followed for about 20 years and just, you know, just lightly.
And I have absolutely no idea what any of it means.
Okay.
I know what it could mean.
I know what theories are from the past,
but
I'm not a sky is falling on this one.
I just find it fascinating.
So, the poles,
the North and South Pole, it's not fixed, and it drifts every year, okay?
And it drifts because we have an iron core and then a molten core around that
iron core.
Well, that's kind of like you know, taking copper wire and wrapping it around
iron and then taking a magnet.
I mean, it's creating energy, okay, magnetic force.
So, you get your poles north and south.
Because
because the world is molten just beneath the surface, it can shift, okay, and it can move, and it can make the polar
magnetic field move.
The magnetic field generally stays in the same kind of area.
It has,
you know, in the past few hundred years, been as North Pole has been as low as Ohio, believe it or not.
But it's been a long time, and it takes centuries to move, blah, blah, blah.
Well, the polar shift is moving rapidly.
In fact, it's now, last year it moved 55 kilometers.
It's now, I think, in Siberia.
Okay, the North Pole.
If you're standing on the North Pole, you are actually south
of the magnetic pole, okay?
Because the magnetic pole...
Would that be right?
South?
Everything would be south.
Everything would be south.
Yeah.
So you're south if you're standing at the,
you know, where the pole is, you know, the red, white, striped one.
Right.
Right.
If you're at, you're at Santa's Village, right?
Right.
You are not actually at the North Pole at that moment because of the magnetic changes.
Correct.
Now, the problem is, is that our GPS is run with magnetic north.
Okay, so the further it can, it's built to be able to withstand stuff, but they had to go in and have an emergency reset this last year because it's moving so fast.
I mean, nobody's, I don't think anybody's seen it move 55 kilometers before.
So it's moving so fast and it doesn't show any sign of slowing down.
Well, our GPS had to be reset because otherwise we'd all be driving in the Pacific Ocean at some point
because it's like,
it's all off.
I find just that fascinating.
Now, here's the part that they think is,
this is,
you know, these are just theories.
They think that this has happened before, that the poles got so far out of whack that north and south actually was east and west.
Okay?
So north and south would be up and down on a map, and east and west would be
no, east and west would be up and down, and north and south would be left and right on a map.
That's bizarre.
Bizarre.
And they think that because everything is sitting on this molten core, that at some point, and this may have been why the continents broke up, at some point, the thing got so far out of whack that it actually, the mantle slid on that molten core.
And so what was at the equator was now north and south, which would explain why you have like fossilized
tropical plants found in Antarctica, because it used to be on the equator.
Well, we're headed towards now a polar shift of some sort.
And what's fascinating to me is, if you've ever read the Bible and you hear, hey, and the stars will fall, the only way to make the stars look like it fall is have a continental shift and a polar shift.
There's more to that, but I don't think we need to go on because it's already crazy.
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Brad Meltzer,
welcome to the Glenn Beck program.
Brad is the number one New York Times bestseller of The Inner Circle, The Book of Faith, nine other best-selling thrillers, including Tenth Just, The First Council, The Millionaires, The President Shadow.
In addition to fiction, he is one of the only authors ever to have books on the bestseller list for nonfiction, advice, children's books, and comic books.
I think I'm the only one on that list with you, except for comic books.
You beat me with comic books.
You have the love for it, so that counts.
Yeah, yeah, I know.
You know, I didn't until my son.
Sure, because you can give your kid that first hero.
Yeah.
And I think
in the 90s, it felt like we didn't need that hero.
Well, I think that's what happens is in all times, if you look historically, at the time of the Great Depression,
the heroes that we looked to were heroes that were Tarzan and Flash Gordon were the most popular because they were designed to take us elsewhere.
We wanted to escape the Great Depression.
And then World War II starts encroaching on our shores, and we get scared as a country.
And we don't even know how to fight.
We don't know how to fight.
We're scared.
We need someone to come save us.
And Superman gets invented, sells a million copies.
And in 9-11,
same thing happened.
We were once again a country, America.
We were scared, worried that someone's coming after us.
And the first movie that broke through the public consciousness was Spider-Man.
And right now, even a decade later, 15 years later, we're still a country that's we're starving for heroes.
There's no politics about it.
Whatever side you're on, we are looking for a hero.
And all times throughout history, it's not just there's a need for hero, that's where they're created to.
And so I actually,
this is, as you know, my nerd study of it.
And I think it's no coincidence why
we look to, whether it's Neil Armstrong or Mr.
Rogers this year or even George Washington, we're once again a culture that's starving for humility, for modesty.
All of those three have something in common.
There's a reason why people are looking to them again.
We have a need.
You've written a new book called The First Conspiracy, The Secret Plot to Kill George Washington.
You read enough history to know, for instance, Edison was not a, he was a bad guy.
He did some good things, but also did some bad things.
And you can look at people and you can pretty much find that with almost all of them.
And people
say, oh, I don't believe in any of these heroes and that these people were, you know, actually really good.
Because a lot of times history is wrong and only tells one side, but you can find it if you look.
Sure.
I cannot find the dark side of George Washington.
Yeah, no,
George Washington lives up to the hype.
And I always say, people will always be.
One of the few.
Right, one of the few.
I mean, every time I do one of the kids' books, everyone always writes to me, well, this one did this and this one did that and this one had an affair.
And I say, listen, I'm just telling you right now, if you're looking for perfection in people, the only person that's perfect, the only thing that's perfect is God.
So there's your standard.
Yeah.
And I feel like George Washington sets that standard for us at a different level, which is why the thought of a secret plot to kill him begs the craziest question of all is what happens to us if it worked.
So tell me, but we don't exist for one.
I agree.
Tell me
about the plot because, I mean, I've written a book on George Washington.
I love George Washington.
I've studied him.
Not really familiar with this.
Yeah, this is a I found this story, Glenn, in nearly a decade ago in a footnote where all the great secrets always wind up hiding.
And I was like, a secret plot to kill George Washington?
Is this real?
Is this fake?
Is it internet nonsense?
What is it?
And I was so struck by it.
There was in 1776, just to be clear, let's talk about it up front, a plot to kill Washington.
Some say to kidnap him, some say to kill him.
Either way, he dies, because back then, then, if you kidnap someone, at the lower level, we would trade you back to the British, but at his levels, you got hanged.
And they caught that guy.
Oh, yeah, yeah, very quickly.
And so they round him up.
George Washington gets wind of it.
They round him up.
They build a gallows.
They take one of the main co-conspirators.
They hang him in front of 20,000 people.
The largest public execution at that point in North American history.
George Washington brings the hammer down.
It's like, do not mess with me.
I'm George Washington.
I'm going to be on the money one day.
That's an actual historical quarterback.
But what I couldn't shake is, why don't I know this story?
And there's two reasons.
One, I went to Peel's Surprise Wednesday author, Joseph Ellis, and I said to him, You know this story?
Because I never heard the story.
You wrote the biography on him.
And he said to me, This is a story about George Washington's spies.
That's why it's secret.
That's why you don't know it.
He said, You can find the exact number of slaves at Mount Vernon that George Washington owned.
You'll never find all his spies.
He said, By its nature, Brad, what you're searching for will forever be elusive.
And the other reason why you don't know it is because of when the hanging took place.
June 28th, 1776.
Now, guess what else is going on in the world on June 28th, 1776?
You're a week away from the Declaration of Independence being signed.
June 28th is when the first draft, one of the first drafts, is handed in.
Correct.
The British are literally coming.
And with headlines like that, when you're studying that period, this
gets obscured.
It just becomes a footnote.
So
his secret,
and you make this point in the book,
his
spies really go on to inspire us, and we don't know anything about them, or very little, but they go on to inspire even the CIA.
Yeah, no, that's one of my favorite parts is we thought we were investigating this secret plot to kill George Washington.
But what we realized is we found something far bigger, which was we found out that George Washington, one of the first things he did is he created his own secret committee.
And the secret committee was called, because if you have a secret committee, you've got to give it a cool name, right?
So it was originally called the Committee on Intestine Enemies.
That's a terrible name.
And then they settled on the far better name, the Committee on Conspiracies.
And the Committee on Conspiracies, as you saw in the book, is run eventually by John Jay, becomes eventually at the end of the war, the first Supreme Court justice.
But what John Jay does in researching this plot is he slowly, you know, they go in the middle of the night, they're pulling people out of their houses, they're interrogating them, they're shaking them down for information.
What they're really doing is they're building America's first counterintelligence agency.
And you ask any historian today, you say, you know, what's the precursor to the CIA?
And people will say, oh, the OSS.
And that's the formal one.
But the real precursor to it all is this moment in 1776 in the plot to kill Washington, because that's where it all starts.
And they're using civilians, just like the CIT, they're using civilians, not always military people, gathering intelligence.
Was this uncommon, though?
I mean, mean, weren't kings doing that forever?
But we weren't.
You know, George Washington, when we started, he wanted a good offense, wanted a good military, and he knew he needed a good offense.
But what he learned in this period of time, right at the beginning, and this is 1775, 1776,
at the start of it, we always think of the end.
We think of George Washington 2.0 as the war goes on.
But in the beginning, this is where he realizes that, wait, I just don't need a great offense.
I need a great defense.
That there are people coming at us.
We need information to see what's coming that we're not going to see on a battlefield, that there's a whole other battle being fought.
It's this moment that inspires his later building the Culparing, his later expanding the Committee on Conspiracies.
In fact, right now, in Langley, Virginia, at CIA headquarters, to this day, there is a room dedicated to John Jay, who they call the founding father of counterintelligence.
It all starts here in this moment.
And I so I love, and you see these parts of things that I, and again, you and I have talked about this offline and on air plenty times, but there were so many parts I didn't know.
George Washington had his own private bodyguards, which I never, I'm like, how did I not know this?
And what he had done is he asked all of his top regiments, he said, give me your four best men.
And he narrowed it down.
He wanted what they call drilled men.
And drilled men were the best of the best.
They were actually even a certain height, a certain build, a certain moral character.
The kind of person you really want on your side you can trust.
George Washington personally narrows it down to about 50 people.
And these become what they call the General's Guard.
They call them the Commander's Guard, but the name that sticks are the Lifeguards, because one of their jobs is guarding George Washington's life.
It's also amazingly where we watch.
That's where it comes from.
Is that where we get lifeguards?
I don't know if that's the official term.
I haven't,
trust me, I thought it and I got to look it up.
But I honestly do think it may be where the term comes from, but it comes from the lifeguards.
They guarded his money, they guarded his papers, and they guarded his life.
These are the ones that went home with him.
These were the original Secret Service, but these are the men who turn on him.
That four of the men on the lifeguards accept bribes and want money and basically decide we're going to go to the other side.
You know, when you have Alexander Hamilton, you can, you kind of can see why he turns.
You don't necessarily agree with him, but you can see, oh man, what a stupid mistake that was.
What a stupid mistake.
Human error, right?
Yeah,
just a series of human errors where he turns.
Yep.
What is, is is it Washington's error?
No, it's not, you know,
it's not a Benedict Arnold where I feel slighted and I'm going to do it.
I know you meant though.
I know you meant, yeah.
Benedict Arnold,
you know, has this, you see all the slights, and so, you know, it's ego and hubris and all the other things that go along with any great fall.
With this one, it's not that at all.
It's nothing personal.
You know, and I think it's, you know, we in America, as you know,
we take our heroes, we dip them in granite, we build statues of them, and we do do them a disservice because they're not human anymore.
They become these lowercase G gods, which is horrible.
And we are worshiping the wrong thing when we do that.
And these people, anyone you look up to, as you know, I've talked many times, whether it's George Washington or Rosa Parks or Dr.
King, had a moment.
Any hero you've ever loved had a moment where they were scared and they were terrified.
They didn't think they could go on.
And they keep going forward.
They choose to go forward.
And what happens in this moment, what we also do with the revolution, as you know, is we tell the story that we all gathered around democracy, we held hands, we marched forward as one, and we beat the greatest fighting force, the British, that the world had ever seen at the time.
And again, it's a great story.
It's not the real story.
It was so much more complex.
We weren't, you know, we think we're divided now.
We were so divided back then that there were nearly in New York City in 1776, there were nearly as many loyalists on the British side.
as there were on the Patriot side, on the American side.
And it was the same in our own military.
Our own military, military, you had, you know, all these different regiments.
So one of my favorite scenes in the book is you have the Massachusetts regiment is meeting the Virginia regiment for the first time.
It's in Harvard Yard.
George Washington is there.
And, you know, these guys from Massachusetts, they look at the uniform of the Virginians.
They have some frilly thing on the uniform.
You know, we don't even have one uniform that we're fighting in.
Some guys are showing up in work shirts.
And some guys don't even have shoes.
So they're not unified.
A fight breaks out.
And George Washington comes racing in and grabs two of them by the neck and he's shaking them and basically saying,
stop fighting with each other.
We're on the same team.
And when you have, you know, and if ever there were a metaphor for where we are today, there it is.
But to me, what you have back then is you have allegiances always shifting.
Because here's the one thing that happens is it's not a sure thing that we're going to win in those early days of the war.
In those early battles, we're getting crushed.
And in those moments, the one thing that's true then and is true now is no one wants to be on the losing team.
And so you have the governor of New York at the time, a guy named William Tryon, who basically is mad he's lost his job as the British governor.
He was appointed by the British.
He basically starts bribing people and seeing who can he turn.
And when you have, as you know, when it looks like America's not going to do well and you may not pull it out, and you got no gunpowder, you got no shoes, guess what?
They go, you know what?
I might take that money to switch.
And the plot was exactly that.
Their big grand plan, when you read the first conspiracy, is you'll see their, and again, we don't know every single detail because, of course, the plot was thwarted, but their plan was they're going to blow up bridges, they're going to steal our cannons, and they were going to come for Washington.
And it was all going to happen just as the British arrived in New York.
That in that moment, they were going to give whatever the signal was going to be.
And, you know, it sounds like something out of episode three of Star Wars, right?
But they were literally going to turn and switch, and the people who were on, that we thought were on the Patriot side, were going to be revealed as traitors and kill everyone there.
The name of the book is The First Conspiracy, The Secret Plot to Kill Kill George Washington.
Brad Meltzer is the author, and he's going to be doing a podcast with us as well.
So you'll be able to hear the story and grab the book.
It's available everywhere right now.
Brad, thank you so much.
Always great being here.
Good to have you.
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Congratulations to Donald Trump, who I thought won
the day yesterday on
the serving Wendy's and McDonald's and Burger King and Pizza Hut to Clemson.
I just thought that was
spot on.
Yeah.
You know who else liked it?
Clemson.
Because it's delicious.
That's why.
That's why they liked it.
I mean, that's the real way to do it.
I really feel like he should just turn that into a thing.
Every time someone comes by, that's the food.
They're going to have to figure out something because I would think that by the time they had it all presented on the table, it might have been a little cold.
And I like
to develop a system there.
I like the fact that he said, you know, the first lady and the second lady,
you know, could have made salads for you, but you wouldn't have really necessarily believed that.
You know, like if
you were the president or
if I were the president, you know, we'd make spaghetti.
People would believe, yeah, my wife made this spaghetti because that's what she does.
You know what I mean?
You don't see Melania in the kitchen making salads.
You know, she can, but I like the fact that he said, yeah, she was going to do that.
But then we decided, let's just go to McDonald's.
Yeah.
I just love that.
I just want to be clear that that is not what my wife does.
My wife is Italian.
Yeah, your wife is Italian.
My wife
and I both celebrate the freezer section of the grocery store as if it was the holy grail of all capitalistic achievement.
Well, it is with all of the flavors of ice cream.
It is.
So good.
There's so much food.
Why am I here?
Why aren't I at McDonald's right now?
That's the only thing.
Ever since we started talking about this story, I am just, my mouth is watering for fast food.
And I'm willing to taste test to see which one I like better.
The president could announce it.
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I think it's research honey.
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Can we expense it?
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I mean, you think we can.
I think so.
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