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Oh, the games that the Democrats play.

Welcome to the Me Too era of the Supreme Court Justice Confirmation.

Last Thursday, Senator Dianne Feinstein disclosed the existence of a secret letter written by an anonymous woman alleging that the Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh sexually assaulted her when they were in high school back in the 1980s.

Now, yesterday, there was a major twist in this story that everyone who follows leftist strategy should have seen coming.

The anonymous woman has revealed herself.

She is Christine Ford, a 51-year-old research psychologist at Palo Alto University in Northern California.

She works at a university.

She's also a registered Democrat and has donated to political organizations.

But she pinky swears.

She swears this has nothing to do with her coming forward with this story just as the Senate Judiciary Committee votes on Kavanaugh.

Now, there were plenty of time for her to come out.

There was plenty of time for the Democrats to spill the beans.

They decided, no, no, no, it has to be the week of the vote.

Christine Ford, she spilled the exclusive beans to the Washington Post because they believe that democracy dies in darkness.

And of course, if there's anything that Kavanaugh hopes to accomplish on the Supreme Court, it is murdering democracy, I believe.

I am so, I want Donald Trump.

I mean, there's so much.

This is the time for him to have the twitchy eye and just go unstable.

This is the time.

Right now, I just want him to go, you know what?

You didn't like that one, huh?

Here's Judge Napolitano.

How do you like that one?

Ford told the Post that during a high school party, a drunk Brett Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed, groped her, and covered her mouth to keep her from screaming.

She says, quote, I thought he might inadvertently kill me.

He was trying to attack me and remove my clothing, end quote.

Now, we have to take things like this seriously.

But at the last minute,

you've had this for months.

She's had it obviously her whole life.

But they've had this for months.

The Democrats hold on to it and do nothing

until Kavanaugh can no longer be asked any questions about it.

There is no indication that she reported such a harrowing attack to the police or her parents or anybody else at the time.

Kavanaugh unequivocally denies the accusations.

The White House released a letter signed by 65 women who say they went to

the high school with Kavanaugh.

They vouch for his character.

But that's not going to matter.

The Democrats will get their circus this week.

Kamala Harris and Corey Spartacus Booker will get their chance to remind everybody to vote for them for president in 2020 because only the Democrats like women.

Christine Ford might be telling the absolute truth about this incident with Kavanaugh.

And it is sad if she is telling the truth that no one will believe her.

But why

will half the country reject this?

Because she might also be making this whole thing up for politics sake.

And the fact that the politicians had this, that she filed it with the politicians and not the police,

and that they held on to it until after

the hearings.

Make it a little suspicious.

The political timing of the story kind of drains all of the credibility out of it.

Kavanaugh was confirmed to the federal bench by the Senate in 2006.

Where was her dramatic story then?

Now, last year, this worked to derail Roy Moore's Senate campaign, and that was a little dicey.

But I think we all looked at him and went, Yeah,

there's a little something, something going on there.

Kavanaugh?

This just perfectly serves the left's narrative that Kavanaugh is planning on destroying all of the rights of women.

Truth doesn't stand a chance

when it's up against this kind of hysteria hysteria and a media that plays into its hands.

Welcome to the program.

It is Monday, what is it, the 17th of September?

Yes, the day before your big book comes out.

The pressure is on, so don't screw it up.

This is the first book I've written, I think, since common sense, that I am nervous about it coming out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I am really nervous because it is full of nuance.

Full of nuance.

And full of things that I've never, I mean, we'll talk about it maybe tomorrow.

You know, once it's actually out, you know, the sun could crash into the earth or the earth could crash into the sun at any time.

And so there's some things in here that there's a couple of chapters that I'm actually very nervous about because they are.

You have some inside stories that

I don't know that people are necessarily expecting or

or the people who are in these inside stories are going to be excited about perhaps that might be that might be accurate there's one place that everybody begged me don't put this in don't put this in don't put this in is this the accusation that you were harassed by Brett Kavanaugh that that was something

that's a big one thank you for saying that I I was gonna wait until tomorrow but he he pinned me to a bed of nails oh my gosh yeah Wow.

Yeah.

He had some weird torture chamber thing as a kid.

He was seven

at the time.

Yep.

But he had this torture thing.

And usually he said to me

at the end, because I said, stop it, Brad.

And this is before my voice changed or anything else.

And he said, it's women like you.

And I said, no, I am a seven-year-old boy.

And he was, I think he was me.

He might have been five.

Wow.

He might have been five.

Wow.

Could have been seven, but I think he was five.

And he said, oh, you're not a girl.

And I said, no, I get that.

People mistake that all the time.

The large breasts.

Large breasts, everything else.

That's usually the reason.

And so, and I didn't say anything until now.

Wow.

Well, that's powerful.

It could be because of the vote.

It could be because of the book.

I don't know.

It's one of the two.

It's one of the, well, no, it could be that it absolutely happened.

It's a really interesting one because we all agree, right?

If something terrible has happened to you and you have a right to be taken seriously,

as we've said over and over again, it's just this one is tough.

I mean, the first thing is you don't give it to a politician.

Right.

You don't give your story to a politician.

You want to be taken seriously?

You call the FBI.

If somebody is...

Especially in this circumstance.

Yes.

If you have something, you give it to the FBI.

And you say, look, I don't think this guy should be the judge.

Here's what he did.

Now, may I just,

may I peel the onion?

You can't peel another layer off of the onion.

Another layer of the onion.

Let's go in one more level, okay?

And

let me ask you this.

If he tried to rape her,

okay, I think we should know about that.

Yes.

But if you tried to rape someone,

you know, you need to have more than just you saying it.

If it's anything but rape, because remember, this story started with he and his friends locked this girl in a room and then ran away laughing.

Okay.

That's how that first came out last week, remember?

Can we stop with the high school stuff?

Yeah, I mean, unless it's a crime.

Now, this one, she is now alleged.

Wait a minute, wait a minute.

Wait a minute.

A juvenile crime?

Well, I mean...

Do you want that open?

You know, there's a level of it, right?

Smoking pot in high school probably does not remove you from the Supreme Court, right?

Smoking pot

in the Senate probably doesn't stop you at this point.

You know, at this point, for sure.

Right.

There's some level, right?

You know, certainly, you know, DUI can be very dangerous.

I don't hear any liberals saying that Betto shouldn't be elected for it.

Wait a minute.

What?

Because he had a DUI.

No, it was.

I'm sorry.

I didn't hear that.

Yeah.

He could have killed people.

When did that happen?

He could have killed people.

Could have, let's say, let's inadvertently kill people.

Let's put it that way.

I was terrified.

When I got onto the highway and I found out that Betto was driving, I was terrified that

he might inadvertently kill me.

Yeah.

So, I mean, I don't know.

Like, look, a serious sexual crime is something that I would want to know about.

It's just that it's so hard to believe.

And what's interesting here is you have so many layers of this.

You know, first of all, it's 30 years ago.

So right off the bat, you know, you're like...

Listen to the Malcolm Gladwell

series

about memory.

It'll blow your mind.

Yeah, yeah.

The studies that have been done on memory,

honest people, people who are really

think that they are doing the right thing

and telling the truth, they will deny the things that they even wrote.

They started this study with 9-11 and they asked people right after,

where were you?

What happened?

Write it down.

They interviewed them.

Then they went back 10 years later and people were like, that didn't happen.

Now, 17 years later, they're saying things like, I don't know why I wrote that because that's not where I was.

And they've completely, honestly, completely re-imagined or re-engineered what they saw that day and where they were.

Essentially convinced themselves of a lie, which is bizarre.

And it's natural.

Yeah, it's all natural.

And I wasn't aware of this until relatively recently, but the whole thing that happened, I want to say the 80s and 90s, where there were a lot of cases of repressed memories being brought up.

Oh, yeah.

That was basically completely scientifically debunked.

Yes.

Like, the doctors no longer believe that that's.

The vast majority of doctors no longer believe that repressed memories are a thing.

There's something that essentially you convince yourself in.

You create a fake memory.

It's not a repressed memory.

Oh, kind of like what conservatives said at the time.

Yeah, I guess they probably did.

You're throwing people under the bus.

They're committing suicide because of your fake made-up memories that you might think,

but only because a psychotherapist is working, is working that.

Yeah.

And this is what's so crazy about it because you have a 30-year-old plus allegation of something

that

depending on, I mean, the initial reports, right, were that it was not all that, and it was anonymous and it was not all that,

it was locking someone in a room or something, which seemed like a high school prank, right?

Right.

Now, he denies this happened at all.

And so does the other guy.

And so does everybody that

he knew, apparently.

Now it's been elevated to sexual assault, which is a serious claim.

But it just, the fact that it comes out in the middle of a Supreme Court

hearings, not even in the hearings, the letter doesn't, they don't release it.

They hold on to it.

They don't question him in front of America about it.

They wait until after because they're doing everything they can to delay.

And it's just so hard to see this as anything other than a Hail Mary.

If this would have happened two months ago, okay, if they would have released this letter two months ago, you would have some credibility.

It would have been part of the hearing.

It would be part of the prep for it.

You can ask.

You have time.

Now, what are they doing?

The hearings are over, and on the day that it's over, they announce they've been sitting on this letter for two months.

All this is is a Hail Mary pass.

That's all this is.

Right.

And it's a delay tactic.

Yes.

Because they think if they can get to the elections and take the Senate back, they have a chance of either holding off and not giving Trump any nominee or forcing him into taking some very watered-down pick.

But it's interesting because you have a situation where Brett Kavanaugh

has

we have taken every possible defense away from Brett Kavanaugh.

He can't, he's denied it, but that doesn't matter.

Right.

And then you have he, they released 65 women or girls at the time who said, I was in high school with him.

He didn't do anything like this.

He was not that type of person.

Right.

But then what does the left say?

Oh, well, here's a list of 65 people he didn't rape.

Wow.

He didn't rape 65 whole people.

What a wonderful thing.

So you can't take other, you can't take character witnesses.

That doesn't count.

The only thing you could do is have someone who's there and saw it.

But we have that.

And that didn't count either.

So there's no way, this is absolutely the type of case that we talked about during the whole Me Too thing.

If you get it down down to anyone, one person can say something happened 30 years ago with no contemporaneous records of it, right?

No, there's no, there's nothing that she didn't like go to the police or even, you know, tell lots of friends at the time.

None of that happened.

So we just have to believe one person.

And now we're at the point where all women must be believed.

The Hillary Clinton standard that everyone thought was insane.

And now it's the thing that's going to be applied to Brett Kavanaugh.

And I would argue, Glenn,

I don't believe there's one liberal who believes this event actually occurred.

It's so,

the timing of it is so suspect.

If there was one liberal that believed in this,

at least in the Senate, they would have released it two months ago.

Of course.

There's no one that believes it.

They know this is shit.

They had it in July.

It can't, you can't spend much time on this.

That's the thinking.

This will be a shock, but once you start looking into it, it's going to fall apart.

So hold it as a last shock in awe to see if we can delay it

anymore.

That's the only reason.

If you believed it, you would have played this card first.

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You know, any feminist, any true feminist would stand up and say, stop it.

Stop this, this use of victims for political reasons.

Stop it.

Because what's happening is, if you just make,

if you just start saying, look, sexual harassment, he was a sexual harassment.

He was sexually harassing people.

If it's all for politics, eventually it will mean nothing to either side.

Because one side will see it as a tactic, depending on who's using it, and they'll say it's okay because that person is worse than using this tactic.

And the other side will dismiss it because they'll know it's a tactic.

And so what happens?

The people who are actually being abused,

who are actually going through something, we're not going to listen to, we won't believe, and the people who are actual abusers will go free.

Justice cannot become political.

Justice is blind.

But not anymore.

No.

And this is just, I mean, we don't know, but, you know, the end of it is, from the Democrats' perspective, hold it till after the hearing.

Now they're going to have to have another hearing.

They're going to have to bring him back.

They're going to have to bring her back.

And, you know, look, if there's nothing to this, you still have the outlying possibility that brett kavanaugh looks let's say really sweaty right if he looks really sweaty then uh then america did he did it but maybe he stumbles over a sentence maybe he phrases something poorly that they can run over and over again in election commercials and you know who's you know who's really shameful you know who's really truly a one of the bigger disappointments how much time do you have

in the senate oh wow okay how much time do you have

jeff flake oh gosh yeah because he's already bailing.

He's already saying, I'm not going to, I can't vote yes on Kavanaugh until we hear this out.

Which, again, I mean, in some circumstances, you understand, but

it's like, if unless you have a reason to believe these things, unless there's real evidence of some sort, something we're not aware of.

Last week, I don't know what's being said this week, but last week, the FBI said it was given the evidence and it's not pursuing it.

That was last week.

So, if you were given the evidence,

did the Senate sit on this evidence or did they turn it over two months ago to the FBI?

Hello.

Well, and the issue is, of course,

if this wasn't a Hail Mary Pass, they would have wanted to question him about it in the hearings.

Yes.

This is just, they're trying to delay, and they think if they can get the Senate, they can do something different.

And this is the problem with social justice.

It is not blind.

Justice must be blind.

Welcome to the

welcome to the program.

Glad you're here.

It is

Constitution Day.

Anybody

anybody really know what the Constitution even is anymore?

Anybody.

Anybody?

Bueller?

Bueller.

Does anybody care?

Yeah.

July 9th, 1776.

Copy of the Declaration of Independence.

Independence reached New York City.

There were naval ships out in the harbor.

The British.

Revolutionary spirit, tension running high.

George Washington was the commander of the Continental Forces.

He stood in front of City Hall in Manhattan, just off wall,

and he

read the Declaration of Independence.

The crowd cheered.

They tore down the statue of King George III.

Now, think of that.

How you see now statues coming down of tyrants all around the world.

They take the statue of King George and they actually melt the statue and make 42,000 musket balls, bullets, out of the statue of King George.

America's separation from Great Britain was officially now in writing.

So I want to talk to you you a little bit about, and this is a whole section in the book.

I come back to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution several times in the new book.

It's coming out tomorrow, Addicted to Outrage.

And I explain,

I think,

I actually like it very much, the Declaration of Independence as the greatest breakup letter of all time.

If you make that a Dear George letter, I translate it from old-timey English into

you know, a contemporary breakup letter, and you understand it.

It's the greatest breakup letter of all time.

But that's what it is.

It's a, it's a, a breakup letter that says we have to separate because you're an abusive boyfriend, and we don't want any of that.

But what's more is it starts with, hey, George, you know, we got to break up because there's a there's a lot of things going on and things that you're doing.

And every time I try to bring things up, you only make it worse.

But I want to tell you

who I am because you don't seem to get it.

This is who I am.

This is what I believe.

These are the things that we find self-evident.

That's the mission statement for the country.

The Declaration of Independence is so important because it's the mission statement.

It says we're going to break up because

we are these people.

We believe in these things.

Forget about all of the things that the king did.

Just look at that part.

We hold these truths to be self-evident.

So basically this says we're going to break up and we're going to start our own country and it's going to be it's going to revolve around this

That all rights come from God, not from a king.

Nobody can change them.

Your individuals were not a collective under rule.

And you have a right to be, right to be heard and express yourself, and nobody can scoop you up in the middle of the night, and nobody can just level fake charges that I can't answer.

And we're going to develop a country that if it ever goes off the rails, the people can abolish it.

In fact, they have a right and responsibility to abolish that if it becomes

a hindrance or opposed to any of these natural rights.

Because that's who we are.

That's what we believe.

That's the Declaration of Independence.

But then

in 1789, they get together and they say, okay, that's the mission statement.

How do we do it?

How do we build this?

There's a whole section or a whole chapter where I

kind of talk about the Constitution as if it was written by, you know, a bunch of

VW

engineers that had to make the VW thing.

Remember that awful car?

Yeah.

And they were like, okay, we were making cool cars.

I mean, Porsche designed the first one.

Now we're building the thing?

No, I don't think so.

And so they break away.

They had to, if you want to do a new company

and that company is never going to make the VW thing,

then you better state it in your mission statement and then you better build your company rules around the things that you saw lead to the VW thing.

And that's what the Constitution does.

The Constitution is, okay, how do we build this?

More importantly, how do we make sure that we don't start building a VW thing?

And

in the government, that VW thing is tyranny, a tyrant, a king, a Hitler, a Stalin, a Mao.

How do we make sure that never happens?

Because that's why we broke away.

in our mission statement it says men are individuals they are they are given certain rights no one can take those rights away their life liberty and the pursuit of happiness so they can be who they want to be

Now, I'm not saying that's a mission statement.

I'm not saying that we haven't made mistakes.

I'm not saying that we haven't hit it every time.

Of course not.

Man's never going to be perfect.

Man will never be perfect.

Why do you expect a country to be perfect?

350 million people are going to get this right?

We can't get one person right.

How are we going to get 350 of us right?

Men are flawed.

Again, that's where the Constitution comes in.

Because men are flawed, you better check on them.

You better make sure that anybody who gets power is so compartmentalized and so many many people are checking on them so it can never get out of control.

This system is so brilliant.

It has so many checks and balances.

But what Americans don't understand is we're at the last clause.

We are now at the last beachhead.

This thing was designed with checks and counter checks and counterbalances to make sure nothing got out of control.

And at the very last minute, one of our founders said, yeah, but what happens if all of that fails?

Chuckle, chuckle, chuckle.

Oh, well, Americans will never let that happen.

They don't want tyranny.

There's so many checks and balances.

And somebody said, wait a minute, but what if they do?

Because right now we have this thing written.

So

All of the checks and balances are happening in the government.

They're happening at the federal level, and the Senate is supposed to be a balance.

This is the way it was originally written.

The Senate was not supposed to be elected by you.

You shouldn't care about Betto.

Only the people in Texas should care about Betto.

Not you.

I shouldn't care about

Chuck Schumer.

Because Chuck Schumer should be making sure that the government doesn't do anything to stop New York from being New York.

You want to do all socialists up in New York?

Have at it, dude.

California, you want to drive the crazy train into the cliff?

Have at it.

But not Texas.

And that's what the Senate was supposed to do, but the progressives took that away.

So you lose one check in balance.

And slowly but surely, people have either given away their check and balance power or they have had it taken away.

And so we're down to the last one where the crazy founder said, yeah, but what happens if all of that?

It'll never happen.

It has.

That's the Constitutional Convention.

That's where the people can say, you know what, they're out of control and we need to go in and give them term limits because they'll never do it themselves.

This is a brilliant document.

It has been slowly dismantled.

It's not perfect.

As Winston Churchill says, the greatest thing about a republic or democracy

is that it's the worst system,

it's the worst system.

Absolutely the worst way to manage, except for all of the other ways.

yes it's flawed but this is the best way to do it but we haven't lived it in a long time well and remember too i mean

they the brilliance of the founders was recognizing human fallibility right right they realized that they weren't going to get it perfect and that's why they created a process which i think you can argue it is perfect because of this you can amend it if there if you find something wrong you can amend it and there's a process to go through to amend it they just want they never want to go through that process in Washington.

They just want to implement it.

When they say the founders never saw this happening, they know.

They knew that.

They knew that.

That's why they left the amendment process.

That's the only way this document is living and breathing.

You can open it up through the amendment process and say, you know what?

That's not right.

The gun thing, that's not the way we feel now.

We've learned some things.

So you amend it.

You don't twist and take out of context the words to say, well, it's a living, breathing document.

No, it's not.

It's living and breathing when you open it up and say, we need to amend this because that's old-timey.

They never saw it coming.

That's part of the genius.

That's part of the genius.

Well, it's too tough to do that.

Again, that's part of the genius

because it slows you down.

Do you know that the Patriot Act was written in the 1990s?

What?

The Patriot Act was written, for the most part, in the 1990s.

It went nowhere.

No one wanted the Patriot Act.

So it just sat on a shelf and waited until there was a disaster.

Because people will vote for security when they're freaked out.

And so they did.

Can you imagine?

How did that Patriot Act?

We didn't even ask that question.

How is this?

How have you designed this

elaborate system with Homeland Security and everything else?

How did you put this together so quickly?

No, easy.

We did it years ago.

Right.

It was ready to go.

I mean, another good example of this is Medicare for All.

Bernie Sanders introduced Medicare for All in 2013 and got exactly zero co-sponsors.

We've got, let's say, one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen.

When he released, did it in 2017, he had 16 co-sponsors.

Mind you, by the way, the Democrats had solved this problem, if you remember, right, with Obamacare already.

And now they want Medicare for All.

In 2013, it wasn't popular.

It didn't make sense.

No one wanted to jump on that bandwagon.

Now it's all democratic socialism.

And if you look through this name, you're going to see a lot of 2020 potential Democratic nominees.

Corey Booker, Kirsten Gillibrand, Kamala Harris.

You know the names.

It's blatantly obvious that this stuff is going on.

That's the way it works.

That's progressivism.

The cure to progressivism is what progressivism deems the cancer.

The Constitution.

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If you have never heard him, you need to.

That's The Coddling of the American Mind, How Good Intentions and Bad Ideas Are setting up a generation for failure.

He is a professor at NYU.

He was

a big progressive liberal.

I think he still classifies himself as a liberal, but I don't think he classifies himself as a progressive anymore.

I don't think he necessarily calls himself a liberal now.

He was, though, at one point.

I think he's more of a classic liberal now.

Which is

libertarian-ish.

But

he's written a book on the three bad ideas that are destroying us.

And it is a brilliant book with real answers to it, especially if you're a parent.

Jonathan Heidt joins us next.

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One of the most influential writers,

I think, in the last five years, at least in my life,

is Jonathan Haidt.

He has written a couple of bestsellers.

One of them is the, what was it, the unrighteous mind or the righteous mind, which is, yeah, I know that, I know language makes a difference, especially there.

But the righteous mind, you know, why we can't get along with people.

And it is, it's a game changer.

The one thing I have found in common with people who are spitting themselves out of the situation out of the system on both sides and are saying, we're in trouble, they all have read Jonathan Haidt's books.

This is an exceptional book and I believe a must read for everyone in this audience.

It's called The Coddling of the American Mind by Jonathan Haidt and he joins us now.

Hello, Jonathan.

How are you, sir?

Very well, Glenn.

Pleasure to be back talking with you.

Yeah, so Jonathan,

you have in this book, and

I wish you were here so you could see.

It is all it's all highlighted.

I've highlighted, I could talk to you for days about this.

It is fascinating.

You outline three main problems that are happening

in our society now.

What are they?

So the book is about this very strange change that happened on college campuses around 2015.

Many of your listeners will have heard of these strange events, the shouting down of speakers, the claiming that students need warnings before they read a Greek myth or a story that has violence or racism in it.

So strange things began to happen, and my co-author, Greg Lukianoff,

he had this brilliant diagnosis.

He himself was subject, he'd had suicidal depressions, he's prone to depression, and he learned cognitive therapy, which is where you learn to question your assumptions and clean up your thinking.

And once he did that, he began to notice that the students were doing the exact same cognitive distortions that he had learned not to do.

They were catastrophizing.

Oh, if a student, if a speaker comes to campus, you know, people will die.

This is disordered thinking.

And Greg noticed that students were doing this.

He runs the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education.

And so he diagnosed that students, that colleges are somehow conveying these ideas that are really, really bad for students.

Students are taking them to heart and thinking themselves into a depression.

So that's sort of the backstory to the book.

The three ideas that you refer to.

Sorry, I had to do that little background.

No, no, that's fine, that's fine.

So the three ideas, what we conclude in the book, as we've listened to students, as we've read a lot about what's going on, and I'm a professor at New York University, so I'm in the thick of things here,

is that there are three really, really bad ideas.

And here they are.

What doesn't kill you makes you weaker.

Number two, always trust your feelings.

Number three,

life is a battle between good people and evil people.

And if we can get students to believe all three, we can't guarantee that they will fail, but we really set them up for a life of weakness, complaint, grievance, and failure.

So,

Jonathan,

I have a book that is released tomorrow.

And

I rewrote it, and I wish I could rewrite it again because I've learned so much as I'm writing.

I don't know if you've ever experienced that, but you're like,

what's your book?

What's it called?

It's called Addicted to Outrage.

Oh, my goodness.

I got to read that.

Yeah.

So it is

talks about

our addiction to this and how this is happening, but it also touches on postmodernism, which is coming out of our universities, which is kind of the root, is it not, of all three of these problems?

Because you just said, if we can teach all,

if we can get kids to believe all three of these things, we destroy them.

Why would anyone do that?

So nobody's trying to destroy students.

I think what's happening here,

the best idea I can share with you and your listeners to understand the craziness that has broken out, not just on university campuses but across so many of our institutions, is that social media has put us all in a game in which the way we get prestige is by calling out others.

Or at least let's just start with students.

Young people who grew up with social media,

everybody's always trying to figure out what can I do that will gain me respect.

We actually care about respect and prestige more than we care about money.

I'd even say many of us care about money once you're above a certain level.

People care about money primarily for the prestige it gives.

So social media changed the basic connectivity of society so that all you have to do is criticize someone online or join in with the criticism and you gain respect.

And so

what you have to see is this is not about people trying to destroy

students, certainly, but people are playing out their political battles.

They're using others as pawns in a way.

And they're setting up a playing field in which kids just trying to get by and get by socially end up hurting each other.

Okay, so that is the I think that's the addiction part.

That's the end of the dog, the tail of the dog in a way.

I think what you talk about

is

this helicopter parent madness that went on, that this is the first generation that

we're seeing the results now of children that could do no wrong, received praise no matter what they did.

We're seeing that generation now, and they can't handle the stress.

That's problem number one.

Children are too fragile to handle anything.

That's right.

So why did things get so weird?

Why did they change beginning with the students who arrived on campus right around 2013, 2014?

It's a mystery.

In fact, our book is, we really frame it as a social science detective story because this new morality emerges on campus right around 2014-2015.

The whole morality of safe spaces, trigger warnings, microaggressions, all those things.

And so we think there are several causes, one of which is social media, which we just talked about and I'm sure we'll come back to.

But the other big one is, as you say, it's that we did this to our kids trying to protect them.

We try, we all want our kids to be safe, we all want our kids to be successful, and oftentimes good intentions backfire.

I think this is a lesson that conservatives are more attuned to than progressives.

So beginning in the 1980s and especially in the 1990s,

we clamped down on kids' freedom.

We began over-protecting them.

We got this ridiculous idea that if we ever take our eyes off our kids, if our kids go around the corner to a park and there's no adult watching them, they will be kidnapped.

They will be snatched, abducted.

So, you know, there was a huge crime wave in the 1970s and 1980s.

And when you and I were growing up, and, you know, any of your listeners who are over 40, when we were growing up, even though there was actually a lot of crime in America, you went out and played after school.

You went out with your friends.

You were in someone's backyard.

You walked around town.

You know, we rode our bicycles from around the age of eight.

So that's the way childhood always was until the 1990s.

And even though the crime wave was actually ending in the 90s, things were getting safer and safer in the 90s, that's the decade in which the social norm changed.

Maybe not everywhere in America, but certainly in urban and suburban areas.

It changed so that kids never got the right to practice being independent or self-supervising.

And then when they go off to college, are we surprised that they're having trouble being independent and self-supervising?

It's amazing.

You know, some of your recommendations, and one of the reasons I like this book so much is because you not only diagnose the problem, the last third of the book or a quarter of the book is, okay, so here's what we do.

And your recommendations, it's crazy that you need someone like you to say,

you know what?

Have your kids ride their bike unsupervised, you know, down the street.

Send them to the store for a gallon of milk.

Have them do things, you know, that are unsupervised.

My grandparents would have, have they would have never under my parents wouldn't have even understood that advice of course that's what you do but now I said this on the air the other day and I said I remember being maybe six seven we had a little store up you know about a block and a half away from our house and my mom would give me money and she'd say go get a gallon of milk nobody thought twice of that I said this on the air your advice and everybody's like I don't know man I mean I who that would be dangerous I mean could you know what I mean yep and we're people who know the stats on crime.

Yeah.

No, that's right.

And so one of the so I you know, I think the way to the way to think about so much of what's going on in our society, and you know, I can't wait to read your book because it's so easy for us to think that there are good people and bad people.

It's so easy for us to think that someone did this or people are hurting our kids.

But really, you know, I'm a social psychologist, and what we specialize in is understanding the way social forces act on people.

So it's not that they're necessarily good or bad, it's that we're all really social creatures.

And many people have traced this back to the origin of cable TV in the 1980s.

You know, when you and I were growing up, there were only three networks.

The news was only on half an hour, an hour a day.

There wasn't the chance to be submerged in stories about the, you know, you know, several kids go missing every year in America.

I mean, more than that, but in terms of like true abductions by strangers, it's extremely rare.

It was only in the 1980s that we could all be immersed in that story all the time.

And so it was the change in the media environment that was one of the reasons for the huge freakout.

Another was declining family size.

When you and I were kids, there were a lot of families in my neighborhood that had five kids.

And now, you know, I live in New York City.

I have two kids.

Most of my friends' children,

most of my kids' friends are only children.

It's rare to have a sibling.

So when parents have just one kid and they're surrounded by news stories about kids being abducted, yeah, they don't let them walk to the corner store anymore.

Jonathan Nehai, we're going to continue with him in just a second.

The name of the book is The Coddling of the American Mind.

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We have

Jonathan Haidt, anybody who I think is a game-changer

individual, somebody who is really, who gets it and is actively engaged in trying to think differently and do things like save freedom of speech.

They are all fans or have read Jonathan Haidt's books.

Brilliant guy, comes at it very, very honestly, has changed as a person through writing

his books.

And I just so respect him.

The Coddling of the American Mind is the book.

Jonathan, I'd like to get through the next two problems so then the next segment we can actually talk about some of the solutions that you have in your book.

Sure, sure.

So

you reveal the three bad ideas.

One, what doesn't kill you makes you weaker.

The second one is always trust your feelings.

Let's go into that one.

Sure.

So

my first book was called The Happiness Hypothesis, Finding Modern Truth in Ancient Wisdom.

And

I read the most psychologically rich works from the ancient world.

So the Stoics from Greece and Rome,

the Bible, the Old Testament, New Testament, the works of Buddha and Hinduism.

And one thing that they all have in common, in every wisdom tradition,

you find people saying something like this.

Here's Marcus Aurelius.

The whole universe is change, and life itself is but what you deem it.

So we don't experience the world as it is.

We experience the world through our filters, our mental and emotional filters.

Here's Buddha saying essentially the same thing.

What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday, and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow.

Our life is the creation of our mind.

And this is the basis of most pop psychology,

that

if you're spending your life feeling angry, feeling cheated,

it's up to you to change the filters.

Life is complicated, and you get to decide which filters you're going to use.

And instead, what's happening on college campuses, and it goes back much earlier, is because we're afraid of hurting kids' feelings, and a goal is in part to be sensitive and caring,

we think that if someone presents an idea that a student finds threatening or invalidating, if it invalidates a current idea, that can be painful.

Well, we don't want students to experience pain.

And so this whole idea of safe spaces, that if a speaker comes to campus,

and the classic, one of the first cases was at Brown University.

They were going to have a debate between two feminists, one of whom believed that America is a rape culture, one of whom believed that America is not a rape culture.

And that's a great thing to talk about at a college campus at Brown University.

And because some students at Brown thought, well, what if a student at Brown had been raped?

It would be too painful for her to hear someone say that America is not systemically a rapist kind of society.

And so she might be...

Or would it be healthy?

Of course.

Or would it be healthy?

Exactly.

Exactly.

That's right.

So, and that's why the title of our book is The Coddling of the American Mind.

Coddling means over-protection.

And if educators get in their heads that students should be protected from uncomfortable moments, from having their most cherished ideas challenged, well, you might feel like you're being nice to them, but my God, you're crippling them.

You're denying them.

Isn't that what a university is supposed to do?

If I'm paying my money, I want someone who will take

everything that I believe is true and throw me up against the wall and make me prove it,

make me look at all of the different things so I know how to find truth and

I've been awakened.

So I know what's true to me.

Does that make sense?

My God, does it make sense to me?

Yes.

So the traditional idea of a university, I mean, we can trace it all the way back to

Plato's Academy in ancient Greece.

If you have a community of people who argue and debate and discuss, but are bound together by norms of friendship,

so if you just get people yelling at each other in the public square, it doesn't do any good.

But if you have a community that retires, that steps outside of downtown Athens, and they have a place where they meet and they discuss love and justice and and beauty.

And they have these spirited debates that Plato wrote about.

Well that's wonderful.

That's how you find truth.

And so that is our myth or that is our origin story for Western universities.

Unfortunately, a new idea began creeping in in the 80s and 90s where the goal of educators should be to foster self-esteem, to

protect people, to make them feel safe.

And again, this overprotection is really, really bad for students.

One of the clearest signs that we're messing things up is that depression, anxiety, suicide, and self-harm, that is teenagers cutting themselves to the point where they have to be admitted to the hospital, these things began climbing very rapidly after about 2012.

So we are messing things up.

We're harming our kids in the name of protecting them, and we've got to stop.

But in your book,

you talk about something that is absolutely incredible to me that now at universities, if you have gone to the, you know, the,

I don't know, the campus shrink or the doctor, and

there's anything regarding mental health, you will get an email from the university that says, is this your book or is this another one I'm going to do?

Yes, so this is a this is a story of the book, yes.

All right, go ahead and tell the story.

Yeah.

So well first let me make clear.

This was just at one university.

This is

several.

Yes.

But we we told the story.

This is at Northern Michigan State University

in which it was routine that if anybody went in to talk about depression or anything like that, they got a letter telling them, you must not talk about this with your friends, or we might have to send you home.

Now, this is crazy to tell people who are having

emotional difficulties that they better not talk with anyone about it, because now the university was afraid of liability.

The university was afraid, well, what if you tell someone and then that contributes to their depression and then they commit suicide?

I mean, it's bizarre reasoning.

But the point is that the bureaucracy at a university is working to protect the university from bad publicity and from lawsuits.

The therapeutic community is working to

protect students from harms that they see that I think are not really harms in most cases.

Universities are complicated places, and what we try to do in the book is trace out how this weird bad, bad culture is happening, all from people pursuing what they think are good motives.

Okay.

We only have about 30 seconds.

I want to come back

and talk to you a little bit about the solutions

that you outline in the book.

And it's the reason why I think

especially every parent should read this book.

We'll talk to Jonathan Haidt about that when we return.

The Coddling of the American Mind.

It is on the must-read list.

If you're a listener of this program, you must read this book, The Coddling of the American Mind.

Back in just a second.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

We are currently trying to schedule Jonathan Heights, co-author, for

a podcast that can last up to two hours uninterrupted, which is really the way to have this discussion because we're going to quickly run out of time.

Jonathan,

I want to get to some of the solutions,

but I would rather just talk to you outside of the book here for a second.

The last time we spoke was Righteous Mind when it came out.

And I was, I don't know if you remember the interview, but I was really excited when I talked to you because I think you have so many of the answers.

And you're seeing things and it works.

I have used the principles in The Righteous Mind in one-on-one settings and in front of a crowd of a thousand people who I asked at the beginning of the conversation, how many people here hate me, think they hate me?

And it was almost unanimous.

I think it was just my family that didn't raise their hand.

And at the end of the 20 minutes, I asked that question again and it was maybe 5%.

And it's amazing when you can

humble yourself and understand that many times we're saying much of the same stuff, just using different language.

When I spoke to you, you were pessimistic.

I said, this is the answer.

And you said, no, it's going to take too many people to do it, and they're not going to do it.

And I don't think that.

I don't think so.

Go ahead.

You want to comment here?

I've got a question on it.

Go ahead.

Go ahead.

Put up the question.

I got plenty to say.

Okay.

So

I have seen this work.

I believe, and I could be wrong, but I believe because of the problem that's happening in the universities now, it's actually turning out to be a good thing because people

who are on both sides are now.

waking up and going, okay, this whole freedom of speech thing, this is a real problem.

People who were, you know, seeing us versus them, people who were, you know, trying to say, hey, we've got to be PC,

banish that voice.

They're now all starting to say, this is getting scary.

And

I think things are changing for the better.

Well, I think that you're right that so many people are now alarmed on both sides,

alarmed that this country could actually break apart.

It could actually fail.

A few years ago, most of us would have, you weren't seeing the kind of books you are now about the end of democracy.

I think enough people are now scared that I'm hopeful that there will be

a large group on both sides of the aisle pushing for change.

I'm hoping for some sort of like center-right, center-left libertarian coalition to

and I just read the description.

Well, I hope so.

I just read the description of your book on Amazon.

It sounds like you're a part of that, as am I.

I think you and I both come at this, you know, you coming from the right, me coming from the left, and recognizing that the people on the other side, while you may think that they are causing harm, their goal wasn't to cause harm.

They are pursuing moral virtues as they see it.

And that is the road to resolving it.

I'm guessing the technique that you use when you address hostile audiences is you start either by acknowledging something you think they're right about or acknowledging something you think you were wrong about.

Is that right?

One of those techniques?

And that's straight out of Dale Carnegie.

If people this was very formative for me, reading Dale Carnegie's book, How to Win Friends and Influence People.

I read it in graduate school.

He's a brilliant social psychologist.

So I think the skills we need as a country now are basically the skills of forgiveness, acknowledgement,

reaching out to people, humility.

I think I've spoken to a number of Christian audiences in the last month or two, and I often go back to the Sermon on the Mount and

the advice

at the end, you know, well, you hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.

Start with yourself.

It has magical powers.

Jonathan, I don't know if you know this.

Very few people do, but you should look it up.

You will enjoy it.

Read Rudyard Kipling's poem, The Gods of the Copybook Headings.

And the reason.

The copybook headings, okay?

Yeah, okay.

You will love it.

But

its point is,

you know,

when social progress fails and all of these lies come undone, the gods of the copybook headings with terror and slaughter return.

It basically means

you will find eternal truths again, no matter how hard you work against it.

It will reset itself.

And

we're and the reason why I bring this up is because I'm finding it difficult to

navigate on both sides people who say or want to say, I told you so.

So

let me give you an example.

What you're saying in this book, when I read it,

I'm reading it, you know, I'm reading the big overarching

ideas in it.

And I'm like, of course,

of course.

And it feels like to a conservative that this stuff has come from the universities, have come from the eggheads, and we have been saying, no,

that doesn't work.

That's not right.

So it's easy for us to say, see, i told you so we were right which gets us nowhere

but it feels so good that's how do you always how do i know we all have less than a minute with you how do we how how can you conquer that

um well i think you have to just withstand the people saying that and just keep going here's the number one piece of advice uh for people who have children and this is bipartisan this is everyone can agree to prepare the child for the road not the road for the child my my top suggestion for anyone listening who has kids of any age, go to letgrow.org.

It's an organization started by Lenore Skinese, who wrote the book Free Range Kids.

And it gives you ideas for how you can help to prepare your child for the road of life ahead, even when the schools are going to be trying to protect the child from negative experience.

They're going to try to change the road for the child.

Stick with it.

Find other parents that you can organize with.

Find other ways that you can let your kids out.

Let them practice independence.

So, we have a lot of suggestions in the book for ways that you can help your kids grow strong, ways you can encourage the schools to improve,

ways you can encourage universities to improve to go back to the kind of university you described before that's going to really challenge people, push them up against the wall, and make them learn to defend their ideas or change their ideas.

Yeah,

thank you so much, Jonathan.

Appreciate it.

God bless.

Keep up the good work.

You bet.

Jonathan Haidt, Coddling of the American Mind.

And you mentioned a bunch of his research in your book as well, Addiction to Outage,

because a lot of it's just really important and supports all the things that, you know, I think I'd argue conservatives have been talking about for a long time.

Long time.

This guy is, the reason why I like him so much is he's honest.

He started to write The Righteous Mind, and

his goal was to write a book on how progressives could win.

And they could, you know, debunk the right and the rhetoric of the right.

And he started doing his own homework and he started to immerse himself in the right and we found out on the air last time he was on that because I said you're going to hate this because I know who you are

but you know you really have affected me and he said well

same back to you he said you were one of the guys I studied and he said you use all of this language he said you helped me break through and see that conservatives aren't monsters.

And I thought for sure they were.

And he said, but because you use some of my language, and you probably know what language it is if you're a conservative, because it's the language that you're like, oh, you know, I bet he's suspect.

I use the language of both sides unknowingly at the time.

And that opened him up to start to listen and go, wait a minute.

And as he was looking at the language, he figured this all out and figured out, no, we're coming at, we're arguing about two different things, even though we know, even though we think we're arguing about the same thing.

It's fascinating.

I want to give just a couple of the, you know, he said, prepare the child for the road, not the road for the child.

Listen to this.

Assume that your kids are more capable this month than they were last month.

Each month, ask them what tasks or challenges they think they can do on their own, such as walking to the store a few blocks away, making their own breakfast, starting a dog walking business.

Resist the urge to jump in and help them when they're struggling to do things and seem to be doing them the wrong way.

Trial and error is slower, but it is usually better as a teacher than direct instruction.

Let your kids take more small risks.

Let them learn from getting bumps and bruises.

Learn about free-range kids' movement and incorporate her lessons into your family's life.

Lenore Skinise is awesome.

She's one of my,

she has such a great perspective on the world.

And it's so weird because

everything in me factually knows that all of this is right.

I know logically that all of these things are right.

Of course, kids could walk to the store a few blocks away.

But you're feeling right.

Of course, crime is way down and it's safer than ever.

But of course, they should lose from their bumps and bruises.

But, like,

as a parent, I don't want my kid to get hurt.

I don't want to risk my kid.

It's silly.

What if they go and they get, what if something does happen?

What if they wander out into the street and get hit by a car?

And I've come to the conclusion, at least, in my life, and I will admit this, that I think it's, we look at this as an instinct that is we are over-protecting our kids.

In reality, I think it's actually a selfish instinct.

I think you look at it as, I don't want to be the parent that everyone is looking at and saying, oh my gosh, like, why would you let your kid ride the subway on their own?

Which is how Lenore kind of came into the public eye.

You know, it's you wanting to protect yourself because you don't want to be the idiot who lets your kid go to the store and then gets kidnapped or hit by a car.

And it's, and of course, like, it's a, you don't want that relationship to end because you make a silly mistake and don't tell them that one time that they should jump off.

You know, they're jumping off something into the pool and you don't warn them that time.

And when they jump off, they hit the side and they become paralyzed.

You don't want that to be on you.

Obviously, you don't want it to happen.

But the motivation for the helicopter parenting is not because you think it's going to happen.

It's because you don't want to be on the hook for it.

Interesting.

Listen to this.

He says, you know, let your kids go.

Let your, you know, encourage them to walk or ride bicycles to and and from school at the earliest age possible.

He says, you know, let them go explore, but print this out.

This is in the book, but print this out.

It's a little card that you give to your kid.

He said, laminate it and give it to your kid.

And when somebody comes up to your kid and says, where are your parents?

have them explain this and hand it to the to the person.

Okay.

Okay.

And it says, I am a let-grow kid.

Hi, my name is, fill in the blank.

I'm not lost, nor am I neglected.

I've been taught how to cross the street.

I never go off with strangers, but I can talk to them, including you.

The state generally grants substantial leeway for parents to decide what age their child can do things independently.

Mine believe it is safe, healthy, and fun for me to explore.

If you don't believe me, please call or text them at the number.

If you think it's inappropriate or illegal for me to be on my own, would you please one read Huckleberry Finn?

Two, remember your own childhood.

Was your parent with you every second?

Today's crime rate is back what it was in 1963.

It is safer to play outside now than

it was when you were my age.

It's great.

The coddling of the American mind.

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You know, Tanya and I were having a conversation in the car the other day about letting the kids ride their bikes to school.

And, you know, she immediately, oh, no, no, no, no, no.

And I said, honey, it is safer today than it was when we were kids.

And she couldn't, she just couldn't believe it.

And I suggested to her that she read my new book, Addicted to Outrage.

It comes out tomorrow, by the way.

But I want to share some things

after the top of the hour break.

It's on page 15, and it just, and I go back to this and there's stats all the way through the book like this, but on page 15, I just go through some of the stats on crime and what has changed in America that no one is talking about.

And it's why we feel so depressed and we feel so bad.

Because look, good news doesn't sell.

it just doesn't sell nobody's like yeah you know what let's lead with the good news nobody leads with the good news when's the last time you saw the headline above the fold on the front page

everything is much better than it was five years ago you don't you don't you don't ever see that but we have to recognize that because our paranoia has has gone off the charts we think we're living in a time and a country that doesn't exist.

We'll start there at the beginning of next hour.

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All right, let's talk about democratic socialism here for a second because they're, you know, they're big into the, it feels, it feels, feels, feels.

You know, they've got a bad case of the feels.

Throw them some props for a second.

They're great at identifying their audience and hitting them with a message that shoots straight to their hearts because it feels.

Struggling with medical bills?

Oh my gosh, we feel for you for universal medical health care.

Are you having a hard time paying for rent or mortgage?

We feel.

No worries.

Make way for housing for, you know, being a federal right.

Are you a student looking at years of paying off school loans?

We feel for you.

We've got you.

We feel.

I'll promise to cancel all those pesky student loans for you.

It's great.

So you can see how this message resonates with people who who are struggling and i guarantee you we hit the next collapse the next 2008 which will be worse a lot of your friends who are listening now who are pointing to those people are saying no no that's crazy uh we can't afford that will be saying we have to have it

all right

no one can explain how uh the the social

uh the democratic socialists are going to pay for, what is it, Stu?

$32 million for Medicare for all.

No, trillion, Glenn.

Trillion, sorry.

$5.4 trillion for guaranteed jobs.

$1.4 trillion on just the student loans that are out.

$1.3 trillion on free college.

Paid family medical leave Social Security.

It's $40 trillion

is the bill.

Nobody can get Cortez to answer the question.

Here she is with Jake Tapper.

How are you going to pay for that?

$40 trillion is quite a bit of money.

And the taxes that you talked about raising to pay for this, to pay for your agenda, only count for two.

And we're going by left-leaning analysts.

Right.

Well, when you look again at, again, how our health care works, currently we pay, much of these costs go into the private sector.

So what we see is, for example, you know, a year ago, I was working downtown in a restaurant.

I went around and I asked how many of you folks have health insurance.

Not a single person did because these they were paying they would have had to have paid $200 a month for a payment for insurance that had an $8,000 deductible.

What these represent are lower costs overall for these programs.

And additionally, what this is is a broader agenda.

Okay, she hasn't answered the question there.

Let me just start here.

She said a year ago, I was working at a bar.

Year ago.

I just saw a photo shoot she did just last weekend where she's wearing a $5,000 outfit in the photo shoot.

A year ago, she was working in a bar.

Now look at her.

I'm really tired of, I'm really tired of how bad things are here in America.

There are 320 million of us that are lucky enough to call the United States of America our home.

That is 4.4% of the U.S.

population.

4.4%

are fellow citizens.

Lucky enough to live here.

In my new book on chapter 30, let me just quote, of that 4.4,

We own 25% of the world's wealth, much more if you count the U.S.

companies, housing, cash, and assets in foreign countries.

We consume 33% of the world's energy energy production.

Now, I want you to know, all these things have been turned into horrible things.

We hold command on all seven seas.

We own 48% of all satellites in space.

We are the only nation that has sent a man to the moon and back.

By the way, we did that four times.

And strangely, I just had to throw this in.

We also consume 41% of the world's chewing gum, but that's a different story.

In barely 120 years,

we grew to become the world's most powerful nation.

And 100 years after that, we are the only superpower on Earth.

We're pretty set for the future as well, believe it or not.

We are...

As far as resources go,

more than 55% of the world's shale oil is here.

65% of the world's uranium is here.

We have enough energy to provide power to the entire planet, including projected population growth, for the next 2,000 years.

And if you doubt that, Google TerraPower Wave Reactor.

What else?

The bottom.

I know she was working in a bar last year, and people can't afford the $8,000 deductible.

Just trying to breathe.

We were trying to just remember all those Lamar's classes.

Because I think I'm going to give birth to something really ugly if I don't breathe.

Why is there an $8,000 deductible?

One might ask,

but not now.

The bottom 10% of our population

The bottom 10% of our population by way of wealth is still the top 10% compared to the world population.

We have 68% of the world's PhDs living among our population.

Many of them are foreign-born and educated, but the money is better here.

In the Me Too era, Easy to focus on the very real and disgusting cases of violence against women that flood the media, but it might be worth noting, I don't know, occasionally, that violence against women is actually dropping.

Violence against wives and girlfriends has dropped by 75%

since the 1990s.

While news cameras point at Charlottesville as Richard Spencer and his band of tiki torch touting buffoons and the NFL players kneeling to protest police brutality and racism in our police departments, you should know this.

Hate crimes against blacks have dropped 50%.

Oh, it's so bad here.

Nobody can afford anything.

Because of capitalism and the Western way of life, the amount of money that we now spend on necessities such as food, transportation, our home, our clothing, our furniture, and our utilities and gas has been cut in half in the last 90 years.

Think of that one.

What your grandparents were paying in the Great Depression

has been cut in half.

The rate of children dying before the age of five has dropped over half since 1990.

Now that is a miracle that should be on the front page.

That is, according to researchers, like averting 27 major plane crashes filled only with children

every single day.

What do you think we take a moment and go,

damn, capitalism is great.

Some other improvements apparently nobody wants to be connected to.

Malaria is down 32%.

HIV is down 50%.

Neonatal preterm birth complications down 55%.

Protein energy malnutrition down 57%.

So much so that the World Health Organization has come out and said malnutrition is no longer a global problem.

The global problem now is obesity.

Lower respiratory infections down 66%.

Measles down 91%.

Arthur Brooks says, it's the greatest anti-poverty, poverty achievement in the history of mankind, and it's happened in our lifetime.

Why?

Because of everything they're trying to dismantle.

I'm sorry, but if you're anti-capitalist, you don't know your butt from your elbow.

You don't know what capitalism has done in your lifetime.

It's capitalism, technological and medical innovation, free trade, Donald Trump, free trade.

Now let me just put the miracle of the life-saving things that have happened because of the United States of America, capitalism and free trade.

Let me put it into perspective.

Give you some good news for everybody.

If you happen to be pro-life,

You've probably fought hard and you think you want to stop Planned Parenthood.

That's good.

You want the doors shuttered immediately.

That's good.

But to put this into perspective, how many deaths has Planned Parenthood caused?

Let me give you some perspective.

If you shut the doors of Planned Parenthood,

you would have to eliminate the number of abortions that occur annually because of Planned Parenthood more than 19 times

to be able to equal this.

Progressives, you've been fighting to repeal the Second Amendment with hopes of stopping all gun-related homicide.

I've got more good news for you.

The incredible global life-saving achievement that capitalism and the United States are responsible for, equivalent to more than 630

years

worth of gun-related murders.

I don't know.

I think I'm going to go with those facts.

I think I'm going to keep

addicted to outrage.

Those facts are in the addicted.

I'm going to keep that handy.

I'm going to look at those things

more than I look at Twitter.

It's Monday, September 17th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

You know,

last hour we were talking to Jonathan Haidt, who is just a brilliant, brilliant scholar, researcher, a guy who was a progressive.

He's woken up, changed,

and

now is fighting.

He started a new organization,

2,000 college professors that are saying, this is crazy.

We have to stop the safe zones trigger warnings, and we need freedom of speech on campus.

I think some good things are happening.

And they're happening from people who used to be on the left.

Yeah, I think there's a

lot of this is feeling, right?

People get angry and they use emotion to try to

express some sort of virtue or whatever.

And I feel like there's a pushback now against that.

People don't, people, I mean, America was built as a logical place.

It's a place that is supposed to look at these things honestly.

Judging by the content of my character.

Exactly.

Right.

That's what we're supposed to be here.

We've seen all over the world how emotion gets out of control and governments take over and do terrible things.

We've always been the people saying, you know what?

People can take care of themselves.

People can self-govern, largely.

People can do these things.

This experiment was based on that.

And so often now it becomes lost.

But I feel like there's that.

And I don't know.

I don't know.

Like, I mean, you know, one of the things a lot of these people kind of fall in this umbrella that people call the intellectual dark web, right?

Where people are saying, you know what, maybe I want to actually have an honest conversation and explore the nuance of this situation a little bit.

But the fact that dark web is attached to it shows, you know, how

underground it is.

It's almost, you almost have to like hide when you want to come out and say, you know what?

Okay.

I feel like this is interesting to explore fully.

You weren't with me when we're in Los Angeles today and

we're we've rented a house and the whole crew is at this house.

And yesterday we come in and we always have this joke when we're driving up.

Should Glenn go in?

Because if the owner's there, it might be a trigger.

Right, right.

Okay.

So we walk in, and I always walk in, and we walk in, and there's the owner.

And he looks at me and he goes, oh my gosh, you're Glenn Beck.

Now, in Los Angeles, there's about a 99.9%

chance that that is not going to end well.

Okay.

Oh, my God, you're Glenn Beck.

Wait until I share with you his next sentence when we come back.

Okay, I do have to tell you this.

I got up this morning and my back

is

killing me.

Stu and I were

talking about this on the way in.

I could barely get it.

I don't know if you saw me get out of the car.

I could barely get out of the car today.

And it's because I'm sleeping on this mattress, and I guess it's a good mattress at the hot, you know, at the at the Airbnb, but I need my Casper mattress.

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I am so nervous about it.

We'll talk about that later.

But I want to finish this story.

We're in LA.

We got in last night, and

we're renting an Airbnb, and the owner happens to be there, which, when you're me in LA, that doesn't usually go well.

And you can just see it.

We were walking in, and I said to, I think it was Michelle, I looked at Michelle and I said, this is always fun.

Watch their eyes.

And I came down the stairs and the bottom of the stairs was the owner.

And he went, oh my, you're Glenn Back.

And his eyes were wide as saucers.

And then he looked at everybody.

And then he looked back at me and he said,

This is the greatest thing.

I'm a conservative.

And I said, shut up.

You're the one.

And he said, he said, no.

And he took us around.

And he said, this is a quote.

I've lived here, I think it was 90s, early 90s or late 80s.

I can't remember the year.

But decades.

I think that's the first time I've ever said that out loud to anyone.

I said, what?

I'm a conservative.

Wow.

What?

He said,

you just get slaughtered here.

You just get slaughtered.

He said, I'd find myself not being able to do business or having friends.

I thought to myself, you know, I live in Texas.

There is no redder of a red state than Texas.

I don't know anybody

who lives on the block with a liberal.

that has ever hassled them and is anything other than friendly.

That doesn't define you.

I don't understand this.

I really don't understand this mentality of the left of, I'm going to destroy you.

There are bedo signs, you know, in Texas, all over Texas.

I don't see anybody taking those up or egging the people's houses.

Don't see it.

Yeah, we have something coming up on TV this week about partisan identity.

Oh, yeah.

And one of the interesting things I thought is that we've we've come to a point now where, sort of, that base-level way you identify yourself, which has been things like, you know, maybe gender, right?

Or race, right?

Which now those are apparently totally fluid and you can't identify yourself by those things anymore.

But the way that people used to identify themselves, maybe their heritage, their national heritage, now their political party affiliation is essentially at that level.

It's their God.

And

that's not the way it was supposed to be.

I mean, think this country was designed in a way to de-emphasize politics, right?

It was designed, it was designed in a way that

the government should have as small a role in your life as possible.

And yet, so many people just constantly obsess about politics.

I want to read tomorrow.

We have to go through this research that we found

over the weekend.

Stu and I were talking about it this morning off air.

How amazing it is.

They can tell you if you're white or black, if you are rich or poor,

you know, liberal or conservative, Republican or Democrat, all buy like the peanut butter that you buy.

It's incredible.

And when you look at the list of things, we were going through it today.

We're like, how do you, what?

How do you say JIF is conservative?

How is it possible?

But somehow or another it is.

And we have to go through that list because it's

the divide is getting wider and wider and it doesn't make any sense it really doesn't make any sense that'll be on tomorrow's uh radio broadcast back in a second

welcome to the uh program uh

Stu had uh Stu I think had the day from hell welcome to the program Pat Gray

Stu had you know his his his uh precious eagles lost they did and then the Bucks yes yeah and then he decides to fly to Los Angeles a little later so he can watch the Eagles.

That's part of the reason, yes.

That's 100% of the reason.

Your kids could be dying.

No, 100% is part.

I mean, that's definitely

the whole part, but it is part.

So, anyway, so

you had a great, great flight.

Oh, yeah.

Great experience.

Got on the flight.

I think it was a 7 o'clock takeoff.

Yeah.

And

about 7.30, they gave us our first update, which was they loaded the cargo onto the plane incorrectly.

Okay.

So it's going to fly crooked.

So it's going to, I guess it's going to fly crooked.

We need all the fat people to get onto the right side of the plane.

Is that something I've got?

I've never heard of that before.

You know, I don't think I ever have either.

It's a balanced thing.

The plane has to be balanced.

But with a

plane that big, though, I mean, I've never run into that problem on a commercial flight before.

And then about a half an hour later.

You can usually do it right.

Right.

Yeah.

So a half hour later, they said, well, we're still working on it and we don't have an update.

And another half hour or so goes by.

Same thing, another update.

As soon as we get this done, then it was

ran out of fuel.

So they were running too low on fuel, so they had to refill the fuel.

So the fuel truck came back and filled it back up to full.

Then they gave an update of, okay, some good news.

We're not going to have to leave this plane.

So we're at about

two and a half hours at this point, sitting on their tarmac.

And they say, look, the good news is we're not going to have to actually change planes.

We're going to get this one off the ground.

About 45 minutes after that, they came up with another update, which was, we are now going to get off the plane because we don't have, we can't stay on this plane, but we're going to try to get another plane.

And then

it went back into the airport.

Try after two and a half hours, you're going to try to get another plane.

Okay.

Yeah, we're over three now.

Did you stay back in the airport?

No, no.

Try not.

Do.

Or do not.

There is no try.

Yes.

I almost went full Yoda on them, but I decided not to.

Don't do it, Sal.

Here it gets undone.

Never go full Yoda.

But

we went back in, about three and a half hours, we finally got back on the flight and took off here.

So I'm on a good, solid two hours and 15 minutes or so.

You're doing good.

Thank you.

You're doing really well.

I feel almost coherent.

By the time the news and why it matters is on, you're going to be great.

You're going to be great.

You're going to be great.

So this is the second flight I have taken in a row

where they pulled the plane back and then said,

yeah, we just have a mechanical problem with the plane.

I'm like, geez.

Okay, we should probably check the plane before we come back from the gate on mechanical problems.

Is it just me?

So you sit in there, and yesterday in Dallas, we were delayed as well because we had that mechanical problem, which they never really identify and was a little hairy because when we took off, it sounded like the landing gear came off the plane.

But as we're we're sitting there, and I'm fortunate enough to, you know, sit in first class, and I'm there.

And

all I was thinking, because I was reading, you know, some book on communism, believe it or not, and

I'm reading that, and I'm looking, and I'm like, look at this.

Look at this system of injustice.

They put the people in the front first.

They get to sit down.

They're having drinks.

And then they march everybody down the aisle that they can look and go, you're not getting any of this.

Then I thought, serious, and this is a serious thought.

Why do we have the curtain?

Seriously.

It provides no privacy.

It's not like we close the curtain and then we're all having a party or something.

Ah, now we're really going to party.

Why do you have the curtain?

The first class curtain.

I think it's to add that certain little element of eliteness.

Yeah, you guys aren't with us.

We're not even going to let you look at us.

Right.

They slam that curtain shut.

I don't.

Right.

Okay.

Okay.

I think you're right.

I think it is that little, that little air of mystery.

So then my thinking, again, on the tarmac waiting, there wasn't a mechanical problem.

I would have been thinking of these things.

If that's why we do it, why don't we have a curtain that goes up the aisle?

So I don't have to look at them and they don't have to look at me.

So we're in these, you're just walking by first class.

All you see is the carpet in the aisle.

There's curtains on both sides.

you want to be enclosed no i don't but i mean if you're gonna go for it if it's like we don't want you to see any of this special stuff why don't they just go all the way and curtain everybody off and why aren't the curtains gold that's another exactly i always thought that was more uh bathroom guarding because the peons us peons back in coach may have to well when we walk up we might be tempted by that front of the plane bathroom but no no we walk to the back because we can't disturb the people in the front because we can't walk through the curtain.

You cannot penetrate it.

It's a force field

against bathroom use.

It's really weird.

The lady said to me, the stewardess, she said, I said, I'm not really hungry.

I don't want anything.

And

she said,

she honestly said this like it was distasteful.

She said.

Would you rather have something from the back?

I'm like, all I could think of was like, you know, the bathroom and the back.

What is in the back?

I didn't realize she was talking about, you know, those people.

She said, they were like, would you rather have something from the back?

And I'm like, what is in the back?

And she said, you know, cheese and crackers and, you know, little sandwich wraps and boxes.

And I'm like, no, I, no, I'm really not hungry.

But that didn't sound appetizing at all.

Is it possible they just couldn't believe you weren't hungry?

Like, is it she was just shocked that you would

like it's a Jeffy thing?

Like, hey, come on, I wish you were still sitting on the tarmac.

We all know.

I wish you were still sitting on the tarmac right now.

Just another 30 minutes, and they're going to have this thing fixed.

Just another 30 minutes.

So, Pat, a couple stories that came out

this weekend.

One, where is the university

where they were serving

ice cream?

I don't know.

The defeated University of Wisconsin.

Defeated by BYU,

that university.

Is it really that one or two

game?

No, it's Wisconsin at Madison.

Yeah.

They're the ones who want diversity in their ice cream.

Right.

Because it had beef gelatin in it?

Some of the flavors had beef gelatin in it.

Yeah, right.

Which is good.

We're using all parts of the animal.

I'm not going to say that's that's gross to me.

They

What do you say?

Jello is made of.

What do you think jello is?

Jello is an ice cream.

Ice cream is talking about.

No, they're talking about the gelatin that goes in to help it firm up.

Yeah, it's weird.

I mean, the whole, the whole jelly.

I mean, we talked about this before, Pat, back in the Patton Studios.

It's weird to make a dessert out of...

about cow boiled cow tendons.

It's not a normal dessert target.

No,

I know it's a

doesn't go to the human, you know, the necessity, the necessity, we need that to sit.

We don't want that to be liquid.

Can you make that into like a jiggling mass?

Well, give me some cow parts.

I'll come up with something.

You got to look at that as a good thing, right?

I don't.

I don't.

That's ingenuity at its best.

That only could happen here in America, even though it didn't.

But it's not how desperate for outrage do you have to be, though, to say that that, what we're talking about, that meat gelatin that goes into ice cream, marginalizes Muslims and vegans?

Come on.

Just don't eat the ice cream.

Don't eat it.

Go somewhere else for your ice cream.

It's asinine.

And they do have flavors that

don't have it in there.

So there's ice cream options.

You just don't get all the options.

Right.

And that's discrimination.

Because if I want strawberry and I can't get strawberry, Stu and I were talking about this,

Pat.

My grandfather used to look at us kids.

He grew up in the Depression.

And we would, after dinner on Saturdays, because you didn't get dessert every night, on Saturdays, we would get dessert.

And my grandfather, we'd be watching the stupid Lawrence Welk show.

And, you know, we were just like, dear God, can somebody shoot me now?

And my grandfather would get up and he'd say, kids, I've got ice cream.

And invariably one of us would say, what kind?

And he would say, he just looked at us like we were mad.

And he said, the kind you eat.

Meaning, ice cream is a privilege.

Ice cream's a privilege.

You want something sweet and something cool?

I have it.

I mean, we are living in such a

sheltered upside-down world that if you can't get strawberry ice cream

and other people can,

I'm being triggered.

Then you need a safe space.

You need a safe space to go to and pout and cry and whine.

Yeah, we used to call those, we used to call those institutions.

You know, that's

when you're when you're throwing a tantrum, you need a safe space because you can't have strawberry ice cream, but you can have some of the other flavors.

That's when we would institutionalize you.

I'm just thinking maybe that would be.

On the other hand, when you think about how great this country is, that we have solved so many problems that we're down to the meat, gelatin, and ice cream to worry about.

I mean, that says something about your country, doesn't it?

If that's what you have left to be outraged over, pretty amazing.

Well, it's not just that, Pat.

You're totally ignoring the big story of the day, which is what a guy guy in the background of a weather report flashed the white supremacy signal that we all know and have known forever that is a white supremacy.

It's the one that's on the top of the buildings with a big spotlight, and it looks like a bat in the sky.

No, no, that's

the bat signal.

That's the bat signal.

This used to be called the OK symbol.

With your fingers like okay.

Yeah, right.

And now we know if you see anyone do that in any context, what they're saying is they want white supremacy.

And when did that

begin?

Because I've never heard of it until two weeks ago.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right.

Okay.

You find that.

By the way, what do I say to a white supremacist who's denying it?

Okay.

Proof, evidence, number one.

Second is make the okay symbol right now.

Okay.

I don't want to do it on camera, but I'll do it below here.

All right, you got it?

Yes.

Yep.

All right.

What letter are your three fingers forming?

W for

i.

A W

for white.

Okay.

And then what's the other one?

Forming.

Oh.

Or a zero, meaning all of our races are meaningless.

Really?

Is that?

No, I'm making that up.

I'm hoping to spread that because then we can say, you know, yeah, we just made that up and we'll see that in reporting in about two weeks on NBC.

No, this is true.

This is from the Washington Post.

The idea that the hand sign is a secret symbol for white power owes its mainstream spread to a viral troll campaign aimed at making liberals and the media look gullible.

In February 2017, 4chan's board

discussed ongoing tactics to try to get their idea to go viral.

To anyone who haven't seen the original thread, our goal is to convince people on Twitter that the okay hand sign has been co-opted by neo-Nazis.

It is not a thing.

Even the media knows it's not a thing.

And still, NBC News ran a story about some guy in the background of a weather report giving

the white supremacy signal on camera.

Now, I don't know.

The Coast Guard seems to say that they've removed him from this effort.

And I don't know if they actually caught him and they really think he was doing this.

I mean, it looks like to me, he's just like scratching his head, but everybody got to be outraged about something.

And I guess that's the new thing.

The OK symbol is now the new thing.

And I'm outraged that

was there an investigation?

Did our Coast Guard just take this guy?

We don't know his name even.

Where is he?

Has he disappeared?

Is he in a penalty box?

What the hell happened?

Was there an investigation?

I'd like to know.

You can't just have the Coast Guard come out and go, yep, well, that's why we put him away.

And he's not.

Hold it just a second.

Maybe we should slow down on this.

Especially when we know it's a hoax.

Like it was, it's literally not.

Yeah, but even though it was a hoax.

Yeah, right.

I guess that's what you have to argue.

Right.

You have to.

Unbelievable.

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These charges against Brett Kavanaugh, they're so ridiculous.

I want you to hear the latest on what this woman who accused Brett Kavanaugh of trying to rape her in high school.

Listen to this now.

She says she can't recall the date, which, you know, again, this is this long in the future.

Maybe you wanna look at the exact date.

But she also can't remember when exactly it was.

For example, she's saying it's around the end of her sophomore year, she believes.

Could have been her junior year.

Could have been her freshman year, right?

She doesn't remember also the location where it occurred, who owned the house where it occurred, or how she got to the house where it occurred.

She also didn't tell anyone until 2012, so she waited 30 years to tell one soul.

And that was her therapist.

She said she was attacked by people who were from an elitist boys' school who went on to become highly respected and high-ranking members of society in Washington.

However, she also said that there were four boys who attacked her,

double the amount she's now saying attacked her.

And she says that was the therapist screwing it up because you know how similar the words four and two sound at the time.

It's her screwing that up.

Yeah.

I mean, it's so ridiculous.

She doesn't know it.

Because if he were to say I was on vacation for this month, she would say it was another month.

Glenn, back.

Mercury.