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Glenn backs are racist.

Now, these are just counter-protesters.

These are just, these aren't anybody that we should worry about.

You know, there are thousands of them on the streets, and, you know, some of them actually kidnapping and holding holding against their will federal agents, but they're just counter-protests.

They're peaceful protesters.

What we should care about are the 24 Nazis that

showed up over the weekend for the Unite the Right rally.

Well, first of all, you know, the right really doesn't want to unite with Nazis.

You know, especially, you know, we have a problem with the anti-Semitism part.

We have a problem, you know, I don't know if anybody in the press has noticed this, but it's the left that seems to be against Israel.

It is the right that is for Israel and for Jews' right to live and exist.

I don't know if anybody caught that in the media.

But yeah, yeah, pretty much those on the right do not want to unite with people who hate Jews.

I just thought I'd throw that one in.

That's just a side note.

That one is my free gift to you today.

So we also have a problem with,

you know, uniting with people who believe in national socialism.

I know, I know.

It sounds so Ronald Reagan, but it's actually not.

So anyway, 12 people or 24 people show up to this rally and thousands that are dressed in black and carrying signs about, you know, how racist the cops are.

Supposedly, this is the peaceful rally this weekend in Charlottesville.

Antiphon members made their show of force.

All cops are racist.

They also had cops and clan go hand in hand.

That one's catchy.

Isn't that a song?

Studio remember?

I think that's an American standard.

Last year they came with torches.

This year they come with badges.

That's not quite as good.

Not quite as good.

And not true.

But why would the media want to cover that?

When When you have 24 Nazis,

clearly a movement that is sweeping the nation.

Naturally, they said all these things under the protection of the police.

I don't know how our police do it.

I really don't know how they stand between

Nazis and Antifa.

And everybody on both sides hates them.

And they have to stand there and protect both sides.

God bless our police officers.

The Charlottesville protests, or counter-protests, as the mainstream media describes them now, supposedly a defiant opposition to this weekend's Unite the Right rally in Washington, D.C., which Vox describes thusly: quote, after last year's disaster in Charlottesville, very few white nationalists showed up to the follow-up rally in Washington, D.C.

Now, isn't this a good thing?

How is this possibly a disaster?

This is a good thing.

Now, while the D.C.

rally was largely

pathetic,

Antifa made sure to keep the hatred alive in Charlottesville.

Footage has emerged of Antifa protesters assaulting reporters.

You know, you know what's crazy.

Who would have seen this coming?

You know, Jim Acosta gets up and he's like, hey, they're saying CNN sucks.

Their CNN sucks.

That could cause violence.

And then look what happens.

Violence against the press.

Except it's from the left.

Huh.

I don't think anybody in Antifa has attended and been cheering at the Donald Trump rallies.

I wonder where they got that idea.

You and the media should.

put on your little your little reporter's hat and put your badge on and say, come on, Judy, we got to go out and find out the real story.

Lots of footage.

We can't play most of it because there is so much profanity.

And not just, I mean, not little league profanity.

I mean, stuff that nobody should be saying.

Some of it at odds with the so-called progressive approach to Antifa, which is surprising to me.

I really thought these were good, decent people.

Antifa is demanding that their message be heard.

Unfortunately, we we can't play any of their message because it's filthy.

But they're oddly aggressive at a time,

you know, that

the media is embracing them.

Media arrives to document them, really isn't said anything bad about them.

They're saying, we want our message to be heard.

And then they cut the wires of the media.

So I'm not, these, I'm...

You keep saying you want to be heard.

I do not think it means what you think it means.

The truly confounding part of it all is the media seems incapable of reporting any facts.

First of all, the counter-protesters?

I mean, that is brilliant use of, you know, passive voice logic, isn't it?

So, Antifa, they're always the ones acted upon.

Never the aggressors.

No, no, no.

Not Antifa.

They're there.

They're protesting the protesters.

Yes.

They seem unable to admit that Antifa and leftist groups

like it.

And they are hate-spewing, violence-driven threats to our democracy.

They just can't bring themselves to say that about Antifa.

I don't know why.

Here's the truth.

They're a cancer.

Their ultimate aim is to overthrow America itself.

They hate police.

Don't take my word for it.

Just listen to them.

They hate capitalism.

They hate America.

They hate the press.

The odds are they hate you.

Yet the media portrays them with the misguided fondness of a clueless parent.

Oh, kids will be kids.

We'll go into many of these ideas in greater detail later today and tomorrow, but for now, let's just say the sickness that is Antifa is gaining power.

The

right-wing Nazi movement never really had any power.

It was a flash in the pan.

Yes, there are Nazis out there.

Are they dangerous?

Sure.

But Antifa is the actual growing threat to the nation right now, and they're gaining power, and we need to at least talk about it.

Because who knows?

Who knows, NBC, ABC, CBS, New York Times, who knows who they'll be coming for next?

It's Monday, August 13th.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

You know who needs to be silenced?

Gavin McGinnis.

Oh, yeah?

Yeah.

I didn't know that.

Yeah, he's got to be silenced.

He's...

He said something.

I'm not sure what.

But he said something recently.

And so he's got to be banned.

Got to be banned.

Well, first of all, Gavin McGinnis is a

he was the co-founder of Vice,

and you know what a hate-mongering site that is, right?

Okay,

he also

is a comedian.

He says some pretty vile things.

I'm sure, I'm sure

I don't know him.

So maybe he is a closeted racist.

I don't know.

But

I've seen a lot of his stuff

and a lot of comedians, well, not anymore.

Not anymore.

I mean, God forbid.

But he says some things that are, yeah, politically incorrect.

And

I remember a lot of comedians saying a lot of the same stuff.

Now, they're all cowards now, so they won't actually say anything that is actually funny.

But

I don't know if he's a racist or not.

He's taken off of Twitter.

He was banned this weekend because of his constant call for violence.

That sounds pretty bad.

Yeah, it does.

He shouldn't constantly be calling for violence.

I mean, people need to rest.

You know, there's all sorts of risks that you would need to take during the day.

Well, I don't think you should call for violence myself.

Oh, I don't think you should call for violence.

But I just, and you know what?

I am so supportive of this banning of voices.

And by the way, unrelated, 2.30 this afternoon, we're having a book burning.

Come on by.

Usually we do book signings, but my book is coming out in a couple of weeks.

I'll ask you to come and

buy that book.

A little buy and burn?

Yeah, well, not my book.

This week, we're going to burn books.

Then I'm going to put the right kind of book out.

Okay?

But 2 o'clock this afternoon, join us for the book burning.

Anyway, I am so supportive of everybody just banning speech because it's really going to work out.

It's going to work out.

I mean, there's nothing like if we could just, if we could just ban all speech that we don't like, then we won't have any idea what's going on around us.

You know, when people are just protesting and stuff, you'd be like, what are they protesting?

I don't know because I haven't been able to find out who this group is.

It's great.

It's great.

It's going to, a lot of healing is coming our way.

It does seem, though, like the only way to really make social media safe is if no words can appear on it.

So if we were to just ban people from posting to social media, then there would be no controversial things that would ever be up there, and it would be a safe space for all of us.

Do you notice that Twitter has gotten worse since they,

you know, since they expanded from 144, was it 144 characters?

140 to 280, right?

Yeah.

So 140 characters.

It was very, it was dangerous at 140.

280, it's insane.

That's like an an assault tweet.

Back in the day, it was just 28.

Well, it's a military-style tweet.

It's a military-style tweet.

It is.

And so that's why I'm suggesting that it's just four characters.

No, because

it's the one.

It's three characters.

Three character tweets.

Okay.

And

that includes the hashtag.

And anybody you want to tag to follow to see it.

We should also point out no abbreviations.

No, no, no, no.

We just spell out no

absolutely.

And no threads.

Yes.

Now I fixed Twitter.

Yeah.

Here, you just added a couple of things.

I thought I had fixed it, but you just added a couple of things.

Now it's even better.

It's even better.

It will be safe for all of us.

Oh, thank goodness.

Thank goodness.

Because I don't know about you, Stu, but I think people are too stupid to figure it out.

Don't you?

Yeah, I think so.

Yeah, I think though.

We probably shouldn't be saying this on the national airwaves.

People are too stupid.

They're not going to know.

Yeah, you're right.

You're right.

You're right.

We need new legislation to ensure a safe and secure society.

So, you know what I noticed is so they banned McGinnis,

who, again,

I know very little about.

I'm not a fan.

I don't, but you know.

Wasn't his last tweet, though, at least that I had read his last tweet before being banned.

It was about violence.

It was about violence.

It said violence in it, did it not?

It did, I think.

It basically said, I reject all forms of it, and I reject these rallies and et cetera.

Take the word reject out, and what does it say?

I'm for all forms of violence.

Can you trust people to read entire sentences with every word encapsulated?

Even if it was, even if in this world where we all come together and somehow just pretend that he wasn't calling for violence when he said he was opposing violence,

even then, people could misread it and just become violent because they see the tweet incorrectly.

Well,

I tweeted my response to this using my own formula.

I tweeted, I fit.

Ooh.

Wait,

I have a question, though.

That seems like four characters if you include the space.

Well, I did.

If you just did it,

you could just do it, but I don't know if people would know it.

I did it, but now I'm remembering that

I shouldn't have because, you know,

we banned abbreviations.

So I just, I'm going to retweet.

I.

I like that.

I think if we just kind of had,

I mean, one letter is enough, isn't it?

Do you need more than one letter?

Well, it could be two.

You have to include those who want to say me.

You know what I mean?

I will say, I don't think I would get any less out of Twitter if this was actually implemented.

Really?

I kind of be as worthless to me as it is now.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So wait a minute.

You're saying that

I'm trying to get my arms around this.

You're saying

that the world does not revolve around what people say on Twitter?

You know, I, I, it's funny.

Every time you think about this,

before you say this, think about this.

No, I know.

I see this all the time.

Reporters do this constantly,

and they always tweet about it, which I always find to be interesting.

They just drop off of Twitter for like two days

and then they come back on.

I just spent 48 hours away from Twitter, and I've realized that in the real world, people aren't talking about the things we're talking about here.

There's not the constant outrage on everyone who hates each other.

And then they come back on Twitter to tell us this story.

Right.

But that I guess we're all supposed to react by leaving Twitter.

I don't know what we're supposed to do with this information.

Well, it'll all be solved when we ban it.

No, no, no, no, not ban it.

We just say you can't.

You can only have three characters.

We are for free speech, just free speech within three characters or less.

Yes.

And no abrasions.

Unless that speech is deemed something we don't like.

And, and, or, slash, anybody saying it that we do like.

So, in other words, I want to keep our options open.

So I might say, hey, Stu, you can't say that,

but I can say, you know, this guy over here, I love him.

He can say that.

He started a foundation.

They're marching in the streets, beating up anybody who doesn't say that.

I'm going to leave him on.

Okay, but you I can ban.

That seems fair because I violated a stated policy or just you just because I'm Jack.

Oh, that's pretty cool.

Yeah.

Wow, it's cool to be Jack.

Yeah, well,

people say to me all the time: they greet me in the morning.

What do they say?

Hi, Glenn.

No, I'm Jack.

I'm Jack.

What do they say?

Oh, hi, Jack.

Hi, Jack.

Right?

Free speech.

Hi, Jack.

It all begins to be.

It's beginning to make sense now, isn't it?

You can always say that word freely wherever you want.

Well, don't quote me on that if you're going to an airport.

My people can say that.

My people can say that.

And it's because that's what I'm doing to free speech.

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You know what we need is we need it like a Twitter czar, you know, a media, social media czar.

That's what we need.

That's what we're missing.

Somebody who is unelected that can just tell us

who, you know, we should ban, who we should listen to, who we should trust.

Don't let people do that on their own.

That's one of the problems with these social media companies is they all went in front of Congress and told Congress that it was their responsibility to make sure they weren't spreading hate messages.

Not their job.

They don't want, no one wants to

spread hate messages except for the people that actually are

doing it.

But, you know, no one wants that to be the result.

But the bottom line is it's not really their responsibility.

It's ours.

We constantly want to blame other people.

You know, if you're the ones sharing racist stuff, it's your fault.

If you're not, it's not.

And the same thing with Facebook.

The fact that they allow people to post things and they do and use it in a poor way.

Outside of committing crimes like threats and harassment, there are certain levels of things, child porn, things that are actually banned from other laws.

But speech is speech.

And the fact that you come out with really nonsensical theories about 9-11 and no matter what it is,

it's not the fault of Facebook, but they've taken that responsibility on.

And the problem I think, and you've made this point with other things before, Glenn, the problem is when these companies come out and they try to get this under control and it doesn't work and all of their people start leaving, then they will turn to the government and they'll say, we need you guys to do this so we don't look like the bad guys.

We need the FCC to step in and now start policing this speech so we don't have to be the bad people.

Oh, you know, and everybody's worried about, you know, everybody on the left, you're worried about,

you know, Donald Trump being, you know, a fascist.

He's a fascist.

He's a fascist.

Yeah, let's get the government involved now in social media.

Oh, and at the same time, let's give them the guns.

No, that sounds like a brilliant plan.

What the hell is wrong with you?

It's not your responsibility to police everybody's speech,

it's ours as citizens.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

Welcome back.

Did you hear about the rough and tumble treatment that NBC got?

Rough and tumble, Stu.

Yeah, Cal Perry from MSNBC was in the middle of all this and took videos of it and rough and tumble.

Was assaulted.

No, no, no.

No, no, no.

No, no, no, no.

They were getting a little aggressive with the media.

He did say also last night's Antifa rally in Charlottesville got a bit rough and tumble.

Yeah.

Which, again, remember, we just went through weeks of the media on television constantly talking about the threat that was coming from a rally crowd saying CNN sucks and flipping them off and Jim Acosta in front of the nation being all worked up about it when actual reporters get actually assaulted by actual fascist groups, which is what Antifa is, anti-fascist.

They have every qualification of a fascist group.

They are other circumstances.

Yes, they are fascist.

And so

here is,

you know, the reporters describing it a little bit.

They downplay this.

They act as if it's just one person.

And again, of course, their target is the president, and this is the issue here.

But

it was,

there were a few reporters we should point out that did call this out.

I know, for example,

Jake Tapper did call it out.

And more than just saying, hey, this is a a bad incident, said it is not at all out of the norm of what Antifa does.

So the fact that they're actually recognizing this as a long-term pattern, and really the whole movement, the whole movement is assaulting people.

That's the whole thing.

What do you mean?

It's assaulting people to eventually get to some other goal, which, by the way, has nothing to do with American norms, certainly.

You've never been to a black tie cocktail dinner?

Have you ever been to a black tie cocktail dinner?

Well, yeah.

Okay, you've been to one.

Okay, what's the difference between that and, you know, a group of people who are wearing all black and throwing Molotov cocktails?

There's no difference.

The assaults is one of the differences.

I don't know what kind of parties you go to, but maybe you're rocking in a much more difficult time.

It's amazing to me

the double standard here.

And it's not just, I don't want to talk about double standard because we all know about it.

We all know how bad the press is.

And the double standard, we got it.

We got it.

Tired of talking about that.

Here's what's truly frightening is these guys are the ones that will pull these anchors out of the chair and kill them in the streets.

It's those people.

It's those people, the Antifa people.

They are dangerous.

Yeah, there's all sorts of videos of this, by the way.

People assaulting people on the ground, kicking them while they're on the ground, assaulting reporters.

Do we have Mike pulled a video here just a second ago?

Do we have this?

This is from, I think, Benny Johnson, who's at one of the rallies, and talked to people on the street.

This is, I think, just came in.

Do we have that, Sarah?

Do you know?

What would you do if if Donald Trump showed up at the crumb?

Murder him?

Murder him for the people?

How about you, man?

Man, I'll throw Trump to get on the fing on the floor and scrub those toilets himself because he don't know.

He needs to learn.

He needs to learn how to clean, scrub some toilets?

Yeah.

I mean, yo, he's America's Caesar except he's a

so you gotta take him down.

Gotta take him down.

If he leaned out to it and it was a group effort, we'd have to do him like a doffy.

Like a dophie yeah what would you do if donald trump showed up yeah i know i might wild out you wild out yeah yeah i would

dump

yeah to be honest if i get a chance to do that i would do that what's that if i get a chance to him up i would

so just a couple of quotes there it's hard to tell obviously with all the swearing uh i would murder him in there um we'd have to do him like adafi which was you know killing him no no first you drag him through the streets yep um if i have if i get the chance to f him up i would and i would beat his ass the president of the united states um so again we're not supposed to even pay any attention to that sort of thing but the people in the rally in it and by the way a rally in which every person in the rally went through security so none of them had any weapons they what are they gonna do exactly this is again the president of the united states is about to speak in this venue it's probably one of the most safe and secure places on earth

yet we're supposed to take seriously that a a few people chanting CNN sucks is an issue when this is going on in the real world.

And by the way, no, no, no.

He's encouraging that.

Oh, is he?

He's encouraging that.

Because we've seen this from the left as well, who has, you know,

some of them have moved away from supporting Antifa, but many of them have.

And just a year ago, after the Charlottesville thing, we're touting them as heroes,

right?

And this movement has grown since.

And when we talk about movements, can we talk about how utterly embarrassing it is that the media gave us, what, a month of buildup

to a rally that 24

people attended.

24 people.

I got a CNN alert this weekend that told me that 24 white supremacists rallied in Charlottesville.

24.

There were spin classes this weekend with more than 24 people in them.

Spin classes.

People don't even like to exercise.

It is incomprehensible that this event got this much attention.

And it's, you know, it's not a, it doesn't lead to positive ends because you have people who, who are convinced that there's a giant white supremacist movement in this country when I think pretty clearly that's not the case.

It doesn't matter how much, like, it doesn't matter how much negative press a movement gets.

If there's a big movement going on in the country and a huge anniversary of one of their, you know,

more than 24 people.

Do you remember the lead up to

828?

The event we held on the mall in Washington, D.C.

It was going to be violent.

The Black Lives or the Black Panthers were showing up.

Al Sharpton was there.

They were told, people were told by the media constantly, day and night, don't go.

We had phone calls from people say, it's just going to be violent.

Oh, yeah.

We had supporters

who wanted to come and were just like, I'm just afraid there's just going to be too much.

I can't bring my kids there.

Black Panthers are going to be there.

It's too dangerous.

Double the crowd.

Double the crowd had the media not scared people off.

It wasn't.

It was peaceful.

It was peaceful.

It was one of the most peaceful things I have been a part of in 20 years.

It was a spiritual moment.

The media was making it into violent.

Here they have 24 people show up.

Now, you don't think that the Nazis wanted to show up?

Of course, they wanted to show up.

They did.

24.

They did.

This is not a movement that is sweeping the nation.

You know what the movement is that's sweeping the nation?

It's Antifa.

Beyond that, the more we silence voices, the more power you will give people.

They took McInnes off this weekend.

Lost his Twitter feed.

Okay, so you take McInnes off.

They also removed, what is it, H3H3?

This is a gamer

and a comedian.

I don't know him.

I don't watch it.

Why did they take him off?

They claimed Friday night, I think it was a mistake.

They claimed Friday night that they wouldn't let him post any live videos anymore because he was talking talking about Alex Jones.

Talking about Alex Jones?

From everything I've read, he's not a fan of Alex Jones.

We can't talk about Alex Jones now.

What is that all about?

Probably, probably, a bunch of people from the right

decide, or sorry, a bunch of people from the left decided to target them and flood whatever platform

to say, these guys are evil.

These guys got to be stopped.

And so what happened?

They were taken off until there could be a review

this guy's a gamer

at what point at what point do we stop and say wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute both sides

at what point does the left say i don't want anything to do with antifa and the media should not be normalizing these people and every

if we're going to use the same standard Every Democratic politician that comes on the air in the next six months should have to answer to whether they support Antifa or not.

They should have to come in and say exactly what they've done to stand up.

They should have to disavow the support of anyone associated with this organization because

they have shown legitimate violence.

And you know what?

I think

I know that we have many, many times.

And most of the people on the right, at least the ones that I respect, have come out and said, you know what, these groups like Richard Spencer's and the alt-right and the people who actually did the Charlottesville rally last year,

not to mention just the violent people, but the message behind it.

All of that has been disavowed by at least everybody on the right that I respect without question and never hesitation.

No hesitation.

But the thing is, they had to do it.

They had to do it because they were asked.

Many of them wrote pieces and explained their views before they were asked.

But anyone who went on television, who ran as a candidate, is constantly asked about their associations with these things.

Well, this is a legitimate...

These people are assaulting reporters on the streets.

No, and reporters are saying that it's rough and tumble.

Excuse me.

They are saying they hate the media.

They are saying more than CNN sucks.

They are actually have a record of assaulting people, and now they're assaulting you.

I'm sorry.

And the people at the Trump rally were a problem.

Why?

You can't have it both ways.

You just cannot have it both ways.

Let me go to Josh in Pennsylvania.

Hello, Josh.

You're on the Glen Beck program.

Oh, Glenn, it's such an honor to talk to you.

But, you know, you mentioned, you mentioned 828, and

I was there.

That was one of the greatest experiences of my life.

You know, we were so close to the stage, stage right.

And I'll tell you that

my wife and I were there at about four o'clock in the morning, and we were there trying to get as close as we could.

And, you know, I'm on alert.

It's Washington, D.C., it's the middle of the night.

and you know, a gentleman came up to us, we were sitting on the fence, and

it scared me a little bit, but he reached down and you know, handed us a blanket, and he said, You guys look a little bit cold, and you know, just that whole experience.

You know, I everybody was saying that it was going to be some sort of crazy rally, you know, sort of like what we're seeing now, but it was everything but.

And we, you know, Republicans or the right have such a bad reputation, you know, with these Trump rallies, but I've never felt more safe than I am at one of these rallies because everybody's so respectful.

Well, that is something that we prided ourselves on.

And

when I say we, I mean we as an audience.

Anybody who has been with me for a long time,

you're a different set of people.

You really are.

You haven't gone over the cliff.

You know, some people have,

and I do sometimes.

We all make mistakes.

But

for the most part, we know what we're fighting for, and we're fighting for

a return to just common decency and truth.

We are looking for the end of postmodernism.

Postmodernism is evil.

If you study anything about it at all, it is directly, its direct result and goal is chaos.

The destruction of reason,

and I'm not making this up, there's no hyperbole in this, the destruction of reason, of honest questioning, of truth.

It's evil.

It's absolutely evil.

And it is this tension that we're feeling.

If we weren't living in a postmodern world, it would be really easy for the press.

They would say, violence is wrong.

Oh, look, here's Antifa.

They're doing that.

Here are these 24 people that are advocating for that.

Okay, both in the same group.

That's reason.

That's the enlightenment.

That's the modern age.

We use our brain.

We don't have people tell us, you know, to believe something that we can't see, touch, smell, taste.

We're not going to believe them.

We're going to watch and observe ourselves and let the chips fall where they may.

The facts will dictate.

Those days are over.

For a lot of Americans, those days are over.

Not for me.

Not for me.

Because the only way that we restore it is to be able to say, yeah, Nazis are bad.

And, oh, yeah, over here.

Yeah, the anti-fascists are bad too.

Communism is bad.

Socialist, as it is done in some places, Canada, it doesn't work,

but it's not evil.

Socialism, you're carrying, you're saying you want to be a democratic socialist and you're carrying a flag with Stalin's face on it.

Yeah, you're, yeah, you're bad.

That's bad.

Sorry.

That kind of socialism

leads to gulags and millions dead.

What the hell's wrong with you?

It's called reason.

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Glenn Beck.

We have Gavin McGinnis on

top of Next Hour.

I'm going to have to beg some ignorance.

I mean, I've seen him.

I've watched a few of his videos.

I think he's funny, but I've heard bad things.

I've heard bad things about him.

He's been banned from Twitter, so we're going to have to find out exactly

what the story is.

He's coming up in just a few minutes.

Also, Amarosa.

Who would have guessed she was a bad person?

All people

would have guessed it.

Right.

All people available to her.

I mean, aside to all people, who would have seen that she was going to turn in to be a problem?

Yeah, I know.

Really, Trump was the one person who seemed to stand by her.

He's not saying kind of

the opposite.

Yeah, the opposite.

Well,

don't know who to root for here.

Amarosa.

It's like, yeah.

No.

Glenn Beck.

It's Monday, August 13th.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

I had no idea.

We can't have him on.

Excuse me, just a second.

We cannot have him on.

I didn't know that.

Why didn't anybody tell me?

Gavin McGinnis, we're having.

Is he already on hold?

Probably, yeah.

Gavin.

Yes.

I had no idea you were a Canadian.

I would not have had you on had I known you were a Canadian.

Absolutely no idea.

Please don't hold this against me, America.

I had no idea.

Gavin McGinnis.

I was born in England.

I only live there temporarily.

Holy cow, and you were born.

So you're a foreign spy.

That's what it is now.

Technically, yeah.

Okay, good.

So, Gavin, first of all, and I'm only doing this to test your memory, not mine.

Have we ever met?

I assume yes, if you're using this as a test.

No, good.

No, the answer is no, but sometimes I forget.

And so

we've never met.

I don't really know much about you.

I've seen some of your work, and I think you're very, very funny.

Although people have said bad things about you and in today's world you never know, especially when Twitter decides to ban somebody.

So

tell me what happened over the weekend.

I was banned.

We threatened to sue them and I was told it was for condoning violence.

I put out a video of my last 20 tweets.

There's no violence in there.

In fact, the only thing that's political really is me disavowing

Unite the Right, saying I don't want anything to do with that, obviously, and also saying Howard Stern is a hypocrite for throwing Alex Jones under the bus and saying it was like shutting fire in a crowded theater.

I think what's really going on here is Proud Boys have been successful in protecting speakers from Antifa, and we actually enjoy it, God forbid.

And that's been seen as condoning violence.

But we've never started a fight.

We've always finished them.

And we had an an epic punch in Portland where this guy knocked out about three Antifa in the span of three seconds.

And the fact that we didn't feel deep shame for this, even though the guy was attacked and hit with an asp, you know, this collapsible thing,

even though he was attacked and it was in self-defense, you're supposed to be ashamed.

They want us all to be Freedom Riders and take a beating when the new sort of people bashing the Freedom Riders are using knives and hammers and all kinds of weapons.

So

let me ask you this.

You know, I saw the Patriot Prayer Group in Portland, what, last week, week before last.

And my impression is, I don't know, I don't know anybody involved, but my impression is, is here's a group of people that have just had it.

They've just had it.

They've had it with

they're being called racist.

Everything is being torn apart.

The media is making people like Antifa.

If they mention them, they just make it look like these are school, you know, high school hijinks

and not paying attention while demonizing the people who are just working hard and just playing by the rules.

And my guess is, is that the Patriot prayer people are just like, okay, I just can't take it anymore.

And they're just standing up because nobody will.

your read, or is that what you do?

I think it's a little worse.

I don't think they just tolerate Antifa.

I think in some of these far-left cities, like Berkeley and Portland, it's more like the mafia in Reggio di Calabria.

They are entrenched in the government.

The DNC works with them.

There's links to globalist money.

And we've got Keith Ellis holding up the Antifa handbook, you know, right?

The guy with ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

So this isn't like they just see them as a group.

They see them as their paramilitary wing.

And I didn't really care until they pepper sprayed me when I did a talk at NYU.

I don't care if it doesn't affect me.

I'm selfish.

But then they're attacking Alan Dershowitz, calling him a Nazi.

and Lauren Southern.

Meanwhile, the red carpet is laid out for Linda Sarsour, who wants to read a law.

And I said, all right, right, this is it.

This is it.

We're not going to go to their things.

We're not going to go to their headquarters and smash it up.

But from now on, we're going to form a wall.

And Portland is a perfect example of this.

Joey Gibson is a guy.

He lives in Reggio de Calabria.

He's had enough of the mob.

And he says, I'm going to go for a march and support Jesus Christ and my campaign.

And if they beat me, they beat me.

And we said, no, Joey, they're not going to beat you.

And we surround him.

Unarmed, by the way.

The police make sure we're unarmed.

Antifa's outside the perimeter.

They are armed to the teeth.

And we still won.

And that, according to the beta mails at Twitter, is wrong somehow.

You're supposed to just take the beating.

That's what it comes down to.

So

you are not part of the alt-right?

Nope.

The alt-right is the alt-left.

They both hate Israel.

They both hate Jews.

They're both obsessed with identity politics.

They're both socialists who want maximum government.

Tell me about your thoughts on the Bill of Rights.

I think the Bill of Rights is the - it is America.

I wanted Ted Cruz to win before Trump because I saw him as a human constitution.

And he didn't have the balls to fight dirty, unfortunately, so we had to get a pit bull in there.

But I think it's a good litmus test to see who we can trust.

So, who should,

in your opinion, who should in society be silenced?

The zero people at all.

Free speech includes hate speech.

It includes pedophiles having a conference.

I mean, I want to kill them, obviously.

But hate speech.

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

That's the kind of stuff that gets you into trouble.

I just want to point this out.

I mean, well, I don't want to be boring.

No, I know.

I appreciate it, and I thought that was very funny.

And I think everybody in this audience knows that you're not really going out at night killing pedophiles.

Unless you are.

I said I had that desire.

Okay.

All right.

Okay.

Good.

Okay.

Everything.

People, the left thinks free speech is a pleasant conference on who is better, the Rolling Stones or the Beatles.

You don't need to fight for that.

You need to fight for uncomfortable speech.

And if you have faith in humanity and faith in human beings and think we're all inherently good deep down, then you want the truth out.

Sunlight is about some disinfectant.

Let's discuss it.

But the left doesn't want that because the socialists, they want to control the narrative and they want to control people.

Now, I saw a video

of you just, I think, last week, where you said, you know, I can't tell you, I can't remember the exact quote,

I can't tell you

how effective violence really can be.

Now,

you know, underneath you, it said comedian,

but I I'm torn because

I think you believe the uh you a fan of Malcolm X or Martin Luther King?

Malcolm X.

Especially late Malcolm X.

But um look, if someone is beating the crap out of you, violence is a very effective tool.

When I was a kid in school, my dad would say, don't ever start fights, but make sure you finish them.

That used to be the normal backbone of American thought.

At my boxing gym, there's a huge banner, and it says, fighting solves everything.

And the left says, no, no, no, you can't say that.

Yet, we're meant to suffer all this violence from Antifa, who say, punch Nazis, and then a Nazi is anyone who supports Trump.

So punch half of the American population.

Well, we're punching back.

How do we,

Gavin,

how do we solve this this as a nation?

I mean, are we just headed towards civil war war?

Yes.

I dread the election.

I'm honestly considering being on a boat when he wins.

But I think that we have to stop being on the defensive.

They've tricked us, and it's pure Solowinski.

They've tricked us into constantly saying, no, no, no, I didn't say that.

No, no, no, I don't believe that.

No, no, no, I'm not that.

I'm not violent.

We have to just start going on the defensive and saying, you're violent.

Like,

I could never dream of getting a concealed carry in Manhattan.

Only cops get it.

Only cops.

And it's gotten much worse in the past few years.

I think Michael Bloomberg has one.

Chuck Schumer definitely has one.

Moms Against Guns, Bodyguards, they're all well-armed.

But we've got to go.

In a city where there's a murder a day, we've got to wander around unarmed.

But they have us begging for bump stocks when we should be demanding concealed carry.

So, I think the solution going forward is stop defending yourself all the time.

Stop saying, no, I'm not a racist.

No, I'm not a Nazi.

Say, no, you're a racist.

You're a Nazi.

I want to conceal carry.

You better stop hitting people, or I'm going to hit you.

Now, I know that you believe that

America is a Christian nation.

I know you had a turning point in 2001 where you really saw

the importance of God in our society.

Am I right on that?

Yeah, so I mean the big catalyst for me was when my daughter was born.

But 2001 was really politicized to me.

I was living in the Lower East Side.

I was a couple miles from the trade center.

I saw the first tower on fire.

I saw the second plane hit.

And I just sort of, I think Pamela Geller was the same way, and Anthony Cumia.

And we all sort of went, wait a minute, what have you guys been doing?

We weren't really paying attention, but it sounds like you don't have everything under control.

And then we started seeing that they were, you know, ignoring problems with Islam for the sake of political correctness, Britain being a very exaggerated

example of that.

And so we started sort of peeling back the layers of the onion, and we realized that the government is incompetent from top to bottom, from the DMV to the White House.

And then we started thinking, all right, we have to start arming ourselves.

You know, not to kiss your ass, Glenn, but one of my favorite books is Miracles and Massacres.

And I love the beginning of the book where you said it broke into three categories.

It was the good guys win, the bad guys win, or the good guys lose because they listen to the bad guys.

And in every example, it's big government telling people what to do.

So

we have to get back to that sort of founding fathers mentality where we say, We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it anymore.

And no, I don't trust you, bureaucrats, to control my life.

You're getting us beat up.

All right.

So

I want to continue our conversation, and I want to take you to the press

here when we come back.

Take a quick break.

Back with Gavin McGinnis, who has been outlawed.

He has been suspended from Twitter, and I believe it's a permanent suspension, is it not?

So we'll continue talking to him, actor, writer,

comedian,

Canadian,

which

sorry, I apologize for again.

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talking to Gavin McGinnis.

Gavin is

a host on CR-TV.

His show is called Get Off My Lawn,

which I think is fantastic.

He has been banned

now

from Twitter.

I'm still trying to figure out what Twitter used as the excuse, Gavin.

Do you know?

I mean, I know they said that you were

calling for violence, but did you not just disavow the day before

the march

for the alt-right did you not just disavow that and violence

yeah and it felt redundant i mean that's so not what we're about it's you know what it the liberals have to understand it's so not what anyone is about there are more albino skateboarders than there are neo-nazis in america we are wasting our time talking about this there's way more muslim terrorists than there are white nationalist terrorists.

It's a myth that they keep pushing.

So I felt silly saying, for the record, I have nothing to do with Unite the Right,

nor am I an albino skateboarder, but I put it out there anyway.

And

that was maybe 10 tweets before I was gone.

There are no specific examples, and the email I got from them said

you have been banned four, and then there's a blank space in the email that says, if you ever try to start a new account, we'll ban you, blah, blah, blah.

So I think Jack was getting a lot of pressure from the fat tech nerds.

And I'm told from insiders that it was about violence.

That was their linchpin.

But at the end of the day, we all know the truth.

And the truth is that I am a conservative with mass appeals like,

you know, like Dave Rubin and Jordan Peterson in the sense that they spout some conservative values.

And that's a real threat to the left.

Richard Spencer, David Duke, those guys will never gain traction because they are bona fide white nationalists, and that's a very esoteric belief.

But I am a normal beer-drinking dad with the same views as a punk Archie Bunker.

And young people are seeing this and saying, these guys have a lot less rules than the left.

They seem a lot more fun.

You know, we were the ones responsible for those Donald Trump stars up and down Hollywood Boulevard.

I think that was as infuriating to the left.

as any punch because it was cool and funny and pulled in young people.

That's what's freaking them out, is this huge wave of black Americans and millennial Americans who are coming over saying, you guys seem like the fun side.

So,

Kevin, and I agree with you that you seem like the fun side,

but you also, you're not calling for violence.

You're just saying, we'll take the punch and deliver the punch back.

You're intentionally going

into an atmosphere where violent people are going to try to punch you and you're going to punch back.

It's exactly like guns.

Guns are there.

Guns are not going away.

So how about some good guys have guns for a change?

Violence is there.

Violence is not going away.

Just like the crime in the south side of Chicago, Antifa is going to be at rallies punching people in the face, throwing bricks at them.

So how about some good guys have some violence for a change?

And again, just like my dad always said, don't start fights, but you finish them.

The only other option is to sit there and get a pounding.

And I'm not talking about a punch in the face.

You look at the weapons that were confiscated last year at the Portland Antifa riots, and it looked macabre.

It looked like the year 700 in Germany, like there was a T-shaped knife that goes through your fingers, and some of my guys are coming back, and they have...

claw marks on where they didn't have body armor and that's from the front of a hammer where they're being hit and these guys are doing it you know with masks on, hiding behind three other people, and they're hospitalizing us.

I just had a guy in a bar in Arizona the other night, and some Antifa ran in.

Usually the bartenders, if they're kind of punky, they're in on us.

They call an Antifa.

They whipped a brick at his face, shattered his jaw, and opened up a massive hole.

The left wants us to just sit down and take it.

In fact,

what was his name?

Alan Foyer is a journalist at the New York Times, and he followed us around for a while, and then, of course, stabbed us in the back with a hit piece, as they wanted to do.

But he said, I think it would be a lot more effective if you would just take it and then you could show how violent they are.

And that's what Joey Gibson says too.

He says, I'm going to go there and if they kill me,

that'll show the world how evil these people are.

And I said, yeah, no, no,

I'm not doing that anymore.

It didn't work out for Martin Luther King.

I'm not doing it.

It did work out for Martin Luther King.

It did.

It didn't for him personally.

I mean, it kind of ended poorly for him.

But it did work out for Martin Luther King.

If If Martin Luther King, if Malcolm X

would have been the one that really took hold, as opposed to Martin Luther King, it wouldn't have been peaceful.

I mean,

you look at,

what's his name in South Africa?

Nelson Mandela.

I mean, it worked out for him.

It's not working out now, but it did work out.

Peace does work.

It worked for Gandhi.

Yeah,

that was a different time.

People were more fair then.

We are dealing with mental patients.

We are dealing with people who have mental issues and want us to die.

I mean, take a night for freedom, for example.

That was a thing Mike Cernovich put on.

Antifa found out about it.

It was doxxed.

They come there.

The police have to build up barricades.

Meanwhile, Cernovich, I mean, I did a talk there, very benign.

You know, there was no talk about race even.

It was just like Trump and freedom and blah, blah, blah, free speech, you know, the First Ten Amendments type stuff, Bill of Rights stuff.

And so we're all leaving, and the police say we have to be escorted out to a taxi and then get in the taxi.

So I did that, but there was some old Jewish guy, he's about 50 years old, and he said, I didn't do anything wrong.

I'm not going to go hide into a taxi.

I'm not even that political.

Stand by.

More with Gavin McGinnis here in a second.

Stand by.

Having Gavin McGinnis on, and Gavin,

I think that we we probably disagree on an awful lot.

One, you know, you agree with the Malcolm X approach.

I agree with the Martin Luther King approach.

But

we are entering a time that is really disturbing because we are not supposed to even discuss these things.

Your voice,

if you are deemed for violence, then your voice is silenced, which Twitter did.

And we have to send...

Would you, for instance, would you be for the silencing of Antifa Antifa on Twitter?

Absolutely not.

But now that there's a double standard, I do want them silenced.

You know, I'm at the point now where I think we have to embrace hypocrisy.

I want Samantha B to lose her show.

I want Roseanne Barr to get her show.

Because the glorious days of

Martin Luther King and Gandhi, where there is some semblance of logic and some sense of honor, is gone.

And to finish my previous story, so that guy leaves the event.

Antifa sees this old man, punches him, knocks him down, he hits his head on the pavement, then the guy gets on top of him and starts strangling him.

He goes into cardiac arrest, is taken to the hospital, and then the guy starts attacking the cops who are trying to arrest him.

So in a sense, this Antifa dude who's looking at years in prison is also a victim of this

bull roar hypocrisy, this fake propaganda.

Well,

it's the era of postmodernism.

That's the problem.

There are people that are trying to destroy all reason, all common sense, all truth

as we know it.

And I think people are getting more and more frustrated by it.

And

one of the things I'm guessing we disagree on is this identitarian movement.

I understand

because I feel it.

I'm proud of my country.

I love America.

I am ashamed of the parts of American history that, quite honestly, the big government people like Andrew Jackson take and then decide that they can just kill people.

I am ashamed, I think, at the appropriate parts, and I'm excited about the appropriate great parts of America.

But it's still the best thing out here, and it is what I grew up with, and it is part of who I am.

And don't take that away from me.

We are not.

all the same.

Mexicans are Mexicans, and Canadians are Canadians, as you very well know.

And America is America.

And

if you're a Canadian and you're told all of a sudden that you can't fly the Canadian flag because somehow or another that makes you a racist, I think you'd have a problem with that.

So I understand.

They do that.

They did that in Halifax.

They want to make the Dominion flag.

I know.

And I understand that, and I believe that's what's happening over in Europe, but it is also being used and played upon by people that

are not necessarily

the best people.

Look, I can't speak for the identitarian movement.

I went to Bataclan after the shooting in Paris, and I met some there, and they said they're basically

about culture.

They hate hamburgers, and they want baguettes back.

And there was a burger joint on every single corner.

So I understand that France feels its culture is diluting.

And I feel the same way.

But the beauty of America, and one of the reasons I came here, is it's the freest country in the world, and it's the opposite of identity politics.

It's about ideas, and it says if you come here, you bust your ass, you're in.

And that's what I admire about it.

And all of this division based on who's a racist and who isn't is a total and utter mist used by the DNC to split the country and try to get votes back.

I think their only policy this next election is going to be hate has no home here, which the right sees as insulting and says, oh, so you're calling me a racist?

And then the next thing you know, they don't want anything to do with

the DNC.

And what it does is it pushes a lot of voters over to the right.

So I think the whole idea of identity politics is actually hurting the left because it's so stupid.

Yeah, I agree.

I agree with that.

When you have a press that is this much in the bag, where they are giving us a weeks-long build-up on

the alt-right rally that that had 24 people show up, 24,

and then they ignore Antifa.

How do you

isn't there a

really good Jesus point to be made or Martin Luther King point to be made that they're going to make you into that violent guy?

Why play into it?

I don't have a choice.

I walk down the street,

I have to be ready to fight at all times.

I think

a lot of people, a lot of politicians, pundits, academics, they're not here.

They're not at risk.

But I'm at risk.

I have to be armed in my home and ready for an attack.

They threaten me on a daily basis.

They dox me.

They threaten my kids.

At that rally I was talking about, they were saying, bring Cernovich's kids down.

You're threatening to end my kids.

They were threatening my kids.

So the gloves are off.

This whole common decency thing, that ship sailed a long time ago.

So I don't care how I'm portrayed.

I'm not going to sit there and constantly defend myself because that's exactly what they want to do.

I think it's time that we bought rules for radicals and we started following Zololinsky.

You know, if when they go low, we go lower.

I'm sick of all this high road crap.

It doesn't work.

You know, I just couldn't disagree with you more, and

that's cool.

I just, I don't.

how do you answer this?

I can't,

I refuse to become everything I despise.

Okay, so how does the Joey Gibson march in Portland go?

We don't show up there.

He does the march right into Antifa with him and a handful of conservatives that live in that wildly alt-left city of Portland.

How does that pan out?

He gets destroyed, likely killed.

They all get beat up.

They're all hospitalized,

maybe killed, and then everyone turns on Antifa.

Is that how it works?

I mean, generally speaking,

the reason why Bonhoeffer failed in Germany is because the people had lost every underpinning to the Western world.

He couldn't figure out why it wasn't working in Germany, and it's because there was no appeal.

In India,

the Indians wanted to rise up and kill everybody, but Gandhi knew that there was enough of a Western way of life in England that would see the principles and say, that's bad.

Martin Luther King was right, you put good versus evil on a screen next to each other when it's really clear people will not want to be a part of that evil until the society goes so far over the cliff like it did in Germany.

And I don't think we're there yet.

So I do think if Antifa is killing people, yeah, I do think that wakes people up.

Yeah, but look at Obama.

The leftist media has been controlling the narrative so much that this scenario of good and evil placed next to each other has become a pipe dream.

They controlled the narrative.

They made America racist.

They voted for Obama thinking it would solve everything, and everything got worse, and we became more socialist.

We're still recovering from the mess he made.

I don't understand how

you can think that if we just play fair, everything will work out.

I'm already in a civil war.

No, no,

I know.

We're in a cold civil war, and I know that.

But I don't think

that

becoming those things that we despise

helps us in the end.

I really don't.

I mean, I'm more of a George Washington guy who was a fighter,

but he also was a badge of merit guy.

He was do the things that will,

you know, cause honor and

grace to come down from the heavens because there's no way you can beat the greatest army in the world, Great Britain.

You can't.

You need God on your side.

And

I just don't know how

I look, Gavin, here's the thing.

I have struggled with this in my head for the last 10 years.

I have gone back and forth in my head on, you know, you're not going to win.

It's not going to win.

It's not going to win.

And I just can make my decision for me.

My reason for having you on today is not to expose you or to

have a great debate and change your mind or anything else.

My goal to have you on today was this is the kind of conversation that America should be having right now.

And we can't.

We're not allowed to explore and and have a real malcolm x martin luther king discussion because everybody will just everybody will just form a twitter mob and we must begin to talk to each other and have deep and important conversations like this and be able to walk away respecting each other

and speaking of the founding fathers before america That was sort of what started America.

Britain said, I want a bunch of different newspapers all up and down the East Coast.

I want you guys to have dissenting opinions.

I want there to be right papers, left papers.

I want you to have debates.

And they encouraged the militia.

They encouraged us to learn what guns are.

And the next thing you know, we said, why don't we just start our own country?

And that sunlight got out the disinfectant

and destroyed Britain.

Now we're getting away from that.

Now we're getting into Soviet-style tactics.

And I just want to make something clear on the record here.

I'm not someone who goes out condoning violence and we need to fight these people.

All I'm saying is if Lawrence Southern or Dave Rubin or Jordan Peterson or Alan Dershowitz or C.H.

Summers or Charles Murray or any of these people that college students hate, if they want to do a talk, then we should go there and make sure they're able to do that talk.

That's it.

Don't go to an Antifa rally.

Don't go to a Communist rally.

Don't go fighting people.

But just make sure that someone is able to do their speech.

And that's become radical in America.

It's radical to want to let a a benign classical liberal like Jordan Peterson do a talk.

And that makes me angry.

Me too.

Me too.

Gavin, thank you so much.

And let us know.

Have you been permanently banned?

Is there any kind of discussion going on with

nope?

I'm permanently banned, and I don't care.

It's fine for me.

I was actually using a little too much anyway.

I was getting addicted.

I'm looking forward to seeing my kids again.

All right, Gavin McGinnis, thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

Gavin McGinnis,

I think this is.

Was there any part of that that shouldn't have been heard today?

I mean, the point is you're supposed to have these conversations, right?

And the fact that Twitter wants to ban it from happening is just odd.

Again, I would tell you where to follow Gavin on Twitter, but you can't.

There's no place to go.

Well, he is on CR-TV, and you can subscribe to CR-TV and watch his show.

I just

don't

have to agree with people.

In fact, I expect not to agree with people.

But their voices should be heard.

And we have to have these open dialogues that end in respect for one another.

Because if we don't,

then the only thing left is violence.

We have to have respectful debates.

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Gian Carlos Sopo is going to be joining us.

He is next.

He is, this is going to be fascinating.

He is a

Democrat who is, his family is from

Cuba, and he says, everything you're being told about Democratic socialism is a lie.

And he is, he's not a,

he's not a political guy at all.

He's just a guy who's looking for the truth.

And he says, you have to know.

Americans need to know.

And he wrote this great article called Democratic Socialism is a scam.

It was in Quillette.

If you haven't read Quillette yet, you need to.

It's a great online magazine.

But he's going to be joining us here in just a few minutes.

Let me go to Ian real quickly in Kansas.

Hello, Ian.

Welcome to the program.

Hi, Glenn.

Longtime listeners, huge fan of yours.

Thank you.

You know, I don't think listening to that Gavin McGinnis interview you just did, aside from the Malcolm X comment, I really don't think you and Gavin disagree on much.

I kind of think his mentality is just, you know, the whole speak softly,

you know, carry big sick mentality of, you know, if they threaten us, if they threaten my friends and family, I mean, I don't want to just lay down and take it.

And I don't completely disagree with that.

I get your point, too, that we need to be the peacemakers.

I watched you during Restoring Honor and Restoring Love, and I'm a big believers in the whole peacemakers thing.

But at the same time, look, this last weekend here in my town of Lawrence, Kansas,

Antifa came to Lawrence the other day and forced two people,

and I didn't know these people, but they were carrying American flags and shaking first responders' hands at a sort of like a

community event that they were having in Lawrence.

And Antifa comes and forms a mob around these two people, and I'm just filming it, and they are shouting these people down.

Luckily, no one got hurt, but they're shouting these two people down.

I would say they're in their 50s or 60s, and they're forming a mob around them, and they just force them out of a public park.

So, I mean, I know, I know.

I know.

I get both parts.

These are violent people.

It was a scary situation.

And it's just like

I know, and it will.

And I told you that these times would come, but you must be different enough to be able to be considered a refuge you don't you just don't want to be a part of the violence

Glenn Beck it's Monday August 13th this is the Glenn Beck program I read an article in Quillette Democratic Socialism is a scam and here's why it stood out It's from a guy whose family has lived it, knows it.

It's from a guy who

took the Democratic Socialists platform and brought it over to a bunch of Norwegian economists.

And 11 out of the 12 said, no, this is way radical.

This is not what we're doing over here.

He says it's dangerous and it's a scam and everybody in America needs to know.

The other reason why I found his article so interesting is he's a Democrat.

He's not a political kind of guy.

He's just generally voted for the Democrats.

Gian Carlo Sopo is with us now.

How are you, sir?

Glenn, it's a pleasure to be with you.

It's mine.

Thank you so much for coming on.

So tell me about,

take us through the article for anybody who didn't read it.

Sure.

So for, I guess, 99.9% of the people who are listening who have no idea who I am, I was born and raised in Miami.

My parents are Cuban exiles.

I was raised in a staunchly Reagan anti-communist household in the 1980s.

And,

you know, my mom, she worked as a social worker.

My father, he was a veteran of the Bay of Pigs invasion.

He was one of the brave people who tried to liberate Cuba.

And

I grew up with a strong sense of appreciation for this country and everything it did for my family.

But, you know, I'm also a Democrat.

I don't think those two are incompatible with one another.

And,

you know, so growing up as a kid,

I learned about the realities of socialism.

So fast forward, you know, throughout my career, I've volunteered for Democratic campaigns.

I've worked for democratic campaigns.

I've been very involved in the past.

And

it just absolutely, it's perplexing to see people within my own party, leaders at the highest levels, embracing so-called democratic socialism, which is an oxymoron as far as I'm concerned, and which I consider completely inconsistent with the best traditions of President Kennedy, President Truman, and

some of the values of our party, which I've always seen as a party that believes in social programs and a certain level of a welfare state to help people through tough times, but not

a full-blown socialization of the economy.

And it's incredibly troubling to see the degree to which Americans are being misled into believing that democratic socialism is what they have in Europe.

So I, like you said earlier, I approached a team of economists in Oslo, Norway, and I just asked them point blank a series of questions, had them fill out a questionnaire to get a sense of how exactly does this ideology of democratic socialism stack up against their own political spectrum.

And

what I realized is that

these are fringe views even by Scandinavian standards.

Mind you, I showed them an article from Vox, which is a liberal publication describing what democratic socialism is.

And

it talks about wanting to nationalize industries,

abolish private ownership of small and medium enterprises, turning the economy into

a series of co-ops and forcing

limiting the private sector to non-essential functions.

And this is completely inconsistent with what they have in Scandinavia.

And the degree to which this is being promoted as such in this country, as someone who's worked in communications and public relations for 10 years, I can tell you, this is a massive,

well-coordinated campaign to deceive the American people,

to make this more socially acceptable, to normalize it to some extent.

And I believe it's a massive scam being perpetrated.

on voters, particularly people of my generation who are millennials, who they didn't have the same experience that I had growing up

in a family that lived through the Cold War.

My grandfather,

Rogelio Sopo Vuareto, he died as a political prisoner in Cuba opposing these same kinds of policies.

And I don't think most people in the United States have not had that kind of an experience, have not felt it so close.

My wife is Cuban, so

we have to deal with the realities of socialism at least once a month to send her mom remittances to

help her survive.

So, you know, it's important, important, I think, for Americans to fully understand what exactly this ideology is and what it is not.

So

I think that

there was a moment here recently where the masks came off, and some Democratic socialists are coming out and saying, yeah, we want an end to capitalism.

But the Democrats are denying that.

And I think with the loss of so many Democratic socialists, those masks are going to go back on.

what why are the why is the party leadership just going down this road with something that is as radical as you know it to be

well i think they are trying to leverage it uh because they see that young people are excited about it so i think they're viewing it as a way to leverage the the blitheful ignorance of many for the political gain of a handful of politicians.

And I think that's just

immoral.

It's a blemish on the party of John F.

Kennedy, who stood up to socialism

right in front of the Berlin Wall.

And it's not,

what they're trying to do is to kind of like channel this excitement into victories at the voting booth.

And I want to be clear,

I am going to vote for the Democratic candidate in my local congressional district, who's

Donna Shalela, who's

a middle-road Democrat.

I am comfortable personally with social programs.

I told you my mom worked for the state of Florida growing up, and I am comfortable with certain degrees of liberalism.

You're an FDR.

I hate to use FDR because I don't think he is what we're taught.

I'm a JFK Democrat.

You're a JFK Democrat.

Right.

My grandfather was a JFK Democrat.

And there's nothing wrong with that.

But there's a difference between those that want to end the system of the constitutional rule,

the Bill of Rights, and capitalism, and

a

good, you know, John F.

Kennedy Democrat.

But we're being told, you know, if you watch the media,

the John F.

Kennedy Democrat doesn't exist.

No, and that's sad because I think there's certainly the Democratic Party should have big enough of a tent where someone like Joe Manchin can coexist with a Democrat who says, hey, look, I think our health care system should be more something aligned like Medicare for all.

I think both of those ideas can certainly exist when the Democratic platform, mind you.

I also think we should be looking at countries like Switzerland who have universal health care and do not have a socialized medicine.

So I think all of those ideas should fit within the Democratic Party's platform.

But I also think it is just

simply dishonest to

tell the American people, and this is coming from MSNBC, from the Washington Post, from the New York Times,

from Pod Save America.

At the highest levels of media and from the political leadership of this country, Americans are being told that democratic socialism is something that they have in Scandinavia.

And that's just a canard.

It is not true, and it has to be exposed for what it is, which is a giant scam.

Why do you say that it's a canard?

I mean, you know, the idea of democratic socialism, you'll hear the defenders say, well, no, it's up to the people.

If they vote to do that, then we'll do that.

Right.

So that's exactly the, that's, so that, that's a great question.

And I think that question leads us into what's, what's happened in Latin America.

So I'm going to use two examples for you.

One is Venezuela under Hugo Chavez, that started going down that road in late 1998.

And the other is Argentina under Nestor and Christina Kirschner.

Let's start with Venezuela first.

Lugo Chavez runs for office

to be the president of the country, and he promises that he's not going to nationalize anything, that the media is going to be entirely in private hands.

There is a fantastic clip of him speaking with Jorge Ramos from Univision, where he makes these three points very clear.

He says, oh, I have no interest in nationalizing any businesses or expropriating any assets.

I just want free health care and education for my people.

And shortly, within a matter of time,

what he began doing was he started nationalizing

certain parts of the economy.

The oil industry in Venezuela, which was partially nationalized, he just fully nationalized it.

When the workers at PDVSA, which is the national oil company, began rebelling against some of his policies because he put in these absurd production quotas when they said, look, if you do this, you're going to ruin our entire oil industry.

And they refused to implement Chavez's policies.

He fired 18,000 of them and replaced them largely with cronies.

One of them was his cousin.

And this accelerated Venezuela's economic collapse, right?

So

when Democrats and people in the media say, oh, it's bad faith to bring up Venezuela, they're saying that because they're judging it based on the outcomes of the exact same kinds of policies that the Democratic socialists are proposing, right?

There's a tremendous disconnect between intent and outcomes.

And

you could also look at cases like in Argentina under Christina Kirschner, who she didn't call herself a democratic socialist per se, but she pursued those kinds of policies.

So the government of Buenos Aires inflated its public sector payrolls, I think like something like 61%.

They began nationalizing companies because they said that it was in the public's best interest,

all of which was done with the intention of

prolonging her stay in power and making her politically stronger.

And the results of her democratic socialist policies were so disastrous in Argentina that the government,

the Secretary of Commerce, was caught manipulating economic data to conceal how bad they were actually performing.

It's something that, like, Krishner's been out of office for like two years already.

It's something that the current administration is still working to clean up because it was so disastrous.

So you cannot give these people an inch because they do not play by the same rules.

They do not not share the same values.

You know, Glenn, you and I might have disagreements on the scope of social programs or whatever.

But at the end of the day, we can have a beer and agree that the local bagel shop down the street shouldn't be turned into a co-op or nationalized.

Right.

But here's the problem with values.

Dian Carlo, I think this is

this is this could have avoided so much nastiness during the Obama years had we

had we had this conversation and had Democrats said what you're saying now,

because

there are people that say, you know, hey, look, we can have a conversation on how much welfare and what works best and everything else.

We can have those conversations.

But there are a lot of people that that's not their goal.

And it's a lot of people in the Democratic Party.

And

so you kind of, if no one will discuss this, you kind of then say,

I got to lump all of you together because I can't trust you.

For instance, here's this is an old clip that happened during the Obama administration.

This is from Maxine Waters.

Listen to this.

This liberal will be all about socializing

will be about

basically

taking over

and the government running all of your companies.

Okay, now she thought that was better than using the word socializing you.

But

so when you have that come out as a mistake, how do you know

who's going too far and who's not?

Yeah, no, I mean, it's important.

Look, I think the Democrats are in an unenviable position for the most part

in the extent that they've historically been a moderate party that bought into some of the, you know, the

basic pretext of free market economics, but they wanted some degree of moderation.

So they face some of the same troubles that

parties throughout the entire world face that are in those similar positions where

they can't be like free trade absolutists because of their political constituency.

So I think it's a difficult, it's like a

difficult needle to thread, but it's one that I personally don't have a problem threading because

I've worked in Latin America.

I understand the differences between those political systems and what they have in Europe.

I've spent time in London.

So I am not, you know,

it's something that comes very natural for me, but I understand, you know, for

most people, the closest that they've been to Scandinavia is the pavilion at Disney World at France.

Right, right.

And, you know, there's another reason why, first of all, I mean, if you look at the Scandinavia on the freedom scale, they are right in there with freedom scale with us.

In fact, in many cases, they're better than we are on starting new businesses, et cetera, et cetera.

So that's different,

but also that's always been a very homogenized society.

America is completely different.

And

it's hard when

you're talking about 350 million people, all from different backgrounds, all different, all wanting different stuff, and open borders.

I mean, Milton Freeman, you can have one or the other, you can't have both.

Yep.

Yeah, totally.

So take, for instance, Denmark.

Denmark has historically had a merit-based immigration system.

It's part of what makes their welfare state possible because just for simple demographic reasons, let's put aside the ideology or moral reasons.

You know, like for just simple demographic reasons, you need a certain amount of input versus output in terms of social spending to maintain the program's viability.

They've controlled their immigration.

You cannot have unlimited immigration and also have an unlimited welfare state.

You have to pick one or the other.

And so

it's incredibly frustrating, at least for me, to have this conversation with some of my fellow Democrats because I've been asked, oh, have you been red-pilled?

Are you,

you know, I just had somebody

who's a consultant in local Democratic politics ask me if I'm working for Republicans, if I'm being paid to say this kind of stuff.

And I'm not.

I mean, I mean, I just, I generally believe in this.

But

it's kind of, it's difficult to have a good faith conversation with people because I think there is such a resistance.

Like, we've, Democrats have been, you know, focused on extremism on the right side of the aisle for so long that there is this, like, really just this internal resistance to avoid this cognitive dissonance of having to come to terms with the fact that, like, hey, guess what?

We have plenty of crazy people on our side too.

And

yeah, and they're no longer like just like some hippies

on the West Coast.

I mean, they're like real people who are

within the corridors of power.

And

so we have to come to terms with that.

And I think we need to have this conversation, which I know many people in the party are trying to avoid.

But I think it's important, at least for the well-being of the country, to draw a clear line in the sand and say,

we are not going to become a socialist party.

That's not who we are.

And that's not what I'm, you know, it's unconstitutional, and

it would betray the legacy of our leaders.

It would betray millions of Latinos in this country, which is something nobody's talking about, right?

Somehow, we're expected to believe that Norway, which has 5 million people and is one of the freest economies in the world, is more

representative of socialism than the, you know, the 42 million people who live between just just Cuba and Venezuela alone.

In more ways, more representatives of socialism than those two countries are.

It's insane.

Gian Carlo, I have to tell you first, I'm sorry to cut you off.

We're out of time, but I want to have you back and spend some real time with you.

You are a Jack Kennedy Democrat,

which I don't even know if they'd be well.

I don't know if Jack Kennedy would even be welcome in the Republican Party today, let alone the the Democratic Party.

You have quite

a refreshing point of view, and I thank you so much for having the balls to come on and have it with us.

You can follow him at Giancarlo Sopo S-O-P-O

and read his really, really great report.

You can find that at Quillette.com.

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Maybe we can come back and talk about who are the crazy Democrats?

Because we hear a lot about how there's this group of sensible Democrats, and we've heard from one here this hour.

But we hear often that there are kind of these sort of crazy Democrats who embrace this sort of democratic socialism.

Who are they?

Because we need to make sure we're calling that out.

So there's a separation line between people who are trying to make the country better within its barriers and its boundaries, as implied in the Constitution.

And those are going a totally different direction.

Get into that coming up.

Welcome back to the program.

A couple of things.

Peter Strzok has just been fired.

I know, I know.

He was still working there?

I know, right?

Yeah, he was.

He's just been fired for his anti-Trump tweets.

And it wasn't the president that did this.

It was the FBI.

The Office of, I don't know, Act Like an Adult or something like that, recommended that they fire him, and so they have, which is

good news.

And that's all really I care to talk about with the Trump thing.

How about you?

Yeah, I don't know if there's anything more to it right now.

I mean, it's not exactly unexpected.

I don't think he was an employee in good standing.

What do you think about Gian Carlo, the guy we just had on?

It was really interesting.

I mean,

you get inspired by hoping that people can see this and see the world the way he does.

He's getting beat up.

He's getting torn apart.

Because the second

you don't embrace the full move to

democratic socialism.

And that's just a,

what is that?

That's just another step, right?

Like, socialism famously for Marx was just a pit stop on the way to communism.

It's just the way, it's a stop on the way there.

The step between capitalism and communism is the way he describes it.

And, you know, to me, democratic socialism is the step on the way to socialism.

Yeah.

And the Democratic Party has been lately seeming like just the step on the way to the Democratic Socialists.

And I would love to see more people who view it the way he does, which is like, you know what, we do disagree on the scope of government, but that's a healthy debate.

Yeah.

Right.

And I think, you know, if you look at what Democrats of the 60s and 70s, you know, mainstream were proposing.

Most of that stuff has happened.

I want to have him back.

I want to have him back on because he said, you know, there's a lot of people in the Democratic Party, and we have to have this conversation that

have gone off the deep end.

Who are those?

Who are those people?

Because I bet you we agree.

Yeah.

I mean, you just, give me the list of the Progressive Caucus.

Yeah, the Congressional Progressive Caucus is a nice little outline of people who are basically Democratic socialists.

Right.

You know, you're talking

Keith Ellison's on there,

Sheila Jackson Lee,

Jan Schaakowski,

Bernie Sanders in the Senate, in the House.

I'm just looking for some of the names you might be familiar with.

You know, Steve Cohen, Elijah Cummings,

Rosa DeLauro.

Yes.

Let's see.

I mean, you know, Hank Johnson.

You just start there.

You just start there.

Just start there.

I mean, aren't those

the people that

look, I read his article this weekend in Quillette, and I thought,

this is not heard.

This is just not heard.

Who has the balls to stand up and say these things?

As a proud Democrat, to stand up and say, you're being lied to, America.

Democratic socialism is not what they have over in Sweden and takes the time and takes the platform from the democratic socialists and sends it to 12 Swedish or Norwegian economists and says, is this what you guys have?

And they're like, oh, no, this is radical stuff.

I mean, that's nuts.

That's nuts.

Who does that?

Yeah, and I think there's a problem with incentives, right?

As conservatives, we talk about this all the time.

You can incentive, I mean, going back to when I listened to, you know, Rush Limbaugh in the 90s, and he would say, if you tax something, you're going to get less of it, right?

That fundamental truth, I think, exists here.

Yeah.

In that if what we have people like Giancarlo who come out and say difficult things about Democrats, there's no incentive for him to do that.

No.

And the problem is, usually, that not only do

his own party,

his own party doesn't stand with him.

They reject him and say that he's selling out.

And then we have to make sure that we create those incentives, I think, on our side to say, you know what?

Like, yeah, there's a sensible debate here.

And while I might not disagree with him, the fact that he's disavowing socialism and the fact that he's respecting

the Constitution,

even if you disagree with him on the scope or the level of a certain tax or whatever you want to talk about, there's a valuable part of the conversation.

People say, I thought, you know, I want to go back to the days when Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill could get together.

Well, that's the kind of guy.

That's Tip O'Neill.

You can have that and still disagree and not be enemies with each other.

You can still have that.

But I'm anxious to see.

Look, just check his Twitter account.

See if he's getting bashed yet for just even being on this program.

And he's not a political guy.

He's, you know, he's a Latin American,

I don't know, studies guy or something.

I don't know.

How's this Twitter feeling?

I'm still getting there.

Yeah, I mean, this is what happens to people, though, right?

Yeah.

We become Twitter mobs.

You can't have that conversation.

Today, we had another dangerous conversation.

We had Gavin McGinnis on.

Now, Gavin McGinnis is right now, the Twitter mob has surrounded him and Twitter kicked him off permanently suspended because they say that he is advocating violence.

Well, we had him on.

I don't think he's advocating violence.

I don't agree with him on everything.

I do think he's funny on many things,

but I think he's also wrong on a few things.

I don't think he's a racist, but I don't know the guy's heart.

Why can't we have that conversation?

Why is it I can't get an honest democratic socialist to come on?

Why is it when Giancarlo printed that in Quillette this weekend, if you read any of the people who are disagreeing, none of them are disagreeing with any of the facts?

They're just name-calling.

Yeah, and we talked to, I would say, a seemingly honest Democratic socialist.

We talked about having her on.

She wrote a piece in Vox, I believe it was, about what it means, and I think Giancarlo even mentioned the piece, about what it means to be a democratic socialist.

What are the things they're talking about?

And straight out say, like, our goal is to end capitalism.

It's great.

And it's a great piece because it tells you exactly what they're trying to do.

Correct.

And we tried to book the author, and it had no success there.

Now, I don't think, like, my goal would not be to like have someone

such as her on the air and say, hey, you're a bad person.

Look at these terrible things you're suggesting.

I will not invite you into my house and then knowingly set you up and treat you poorly.

Yeah, and I want,

I applaud her for her honesty.

Yeah, it's an important piece.

It is.

For someone to come out and say, yes, that's me.

That's what I want.

Like,

I have no aversion to say, hey, what I want is abortion to stop.

Right.

Like, I'm, yes, will I support a bill that limits it to 20 weeks?

Sure.

Is that my goal?

No.

It's not, no, that's not my goal at all.

I want it done, period.

And I'm happy to say it to you as many times as you want to ask me about it.

And I'm happy to debate it, and I'm happy to remain civil.

And it doesn't mean that

you have to get to a point where you're yelling at each other, but you should be able to.

The only people who are valuable in a debate, everyone else

is a giant zilch.

The only people who are valuable are people who will actually say what they're thinking.

The people that come on and try to make things sound a certain way to navigate through whatever political waves of the day that happen to exist those people aren't valuable in a debate what do you learn from them you learn that they have the the acuity to move around a debate and avoid issues i don't care about that i'm not into your parlor trick i'd rather have someone who's going to come in here and say look here is exactly what i think here's why i think it here's my backup here's my lack of backup and you let you decide And there's no reason you can't have that conversation with people you completely disagree with.

But nobody trusts people anymore.

You don't trust people anymore.

I have reason.

We all do to not trust the American people anymore.

We have reason.

But as Thomas Jefferson said, trust the American people.

They will get it wrong, but eventually they'll get it right.

I mean, look, he may be right on that.

He may not be right on that.

I think eventually you are.

I hope so.

I think eventually we are.

I mean, it might be 80 years down the road after some really painful lessons, but eventually we will get it right.

But you trust the American people.

Again, it's why we had Gavin on today.

And I didn't need to take a stand on him one way or another.

I asked him the questions I wanted to ask him.

You heard the answer.

I didn't need to win on that.

Neither did he.

Why can't we have those conversations now and

let you decide?

Why can't we have that?

Well, and again, the one thing that you do agree with him on is that those conversations should be had in the public.

And that is

you shouldn't have to be in the middle of the day.

We shut these conversations down,

and there's nothing left.

If you shut these conversations down,

there's just nothing left to the Republic.

Might as well go burn a book.

By the way, real quick, did you see

the killer whale, mom?

The killer whale?

You didn't see this?

No.

Yeah, so

a killer whale had a baby calf

and

it died and she carried it on her back for 17 days and she kept dropping him.

She knew it was dead and apparently this whale was grieving and

carried it on her back for a thousand miles and made a journey and then finally, you know, buried her, just let her go finally.

It was the strangest thing.

It happened over the weekend.

It just ended, I think, yesterday.

It's been going on for 17 days.

It's amazing footage.

Amazing footage.

So, what do you take from it?

I mean, I grew up around orcas, you know,

and used to watch them,

you know, down by the water.

And we'd watch them come in and watch.

They're amazingly smart animals.

And

that,

you know, this orca is a lot like parents, like, you know, other parents.

She had feelings for her

child and couldn't let her child go.

I thought it was just really touching, really amazing.

Yeah, that's either that or she knew the scientists wanted the baby because they want to find out

the population is diving, wanted to know what killed the baby.

So maybe she knew, I got to go to a place where it's deeper so I can, you know, let my child go and you guys aren't going to dig the body up and do an autopsy.

I don't, I don't know.

Yeah.

But

pretty amazing.

It's a fascinating story.

I'm, I'm,

there's a lot of these that happen these days.

You know, there's a lot of carrying dead babies around?

No, I mean, I think there's a real love on the internet in particular.

And this is something maybe I only see from my perspective, but there's a lot of love on the internet for these stories where animals do things that are objectively human, right, and traits.

I think think there's a bigger love for humans doing something when it's objectively human.

You know, you don't see it very often, but you were like, wow, that person is being, did you see the, did you see the kid that

let the other kid with autism fill the, you know, do his, basically do his job?

Yeah.

I mean, it was, it was really cool.

So he was working at a store, right?

And he was filling the

refrigerator with all the Pepsi and everything else.

And this kid was watching him as autism.

And he said, Here, you want to try?

And so the kid was, you know, just neatly stacking everything in there.

The parents had to go crazy at this moment of human kindness.

I guess I go back to, you know, it's a good place to bring the show to.

Everything we talked about today,

if we just act more human or

a better than human, forget the animal part,

we can solve all of our differences.

We can live together.

We just have to recognize that each of us are different and special and that we don't have a right to control the other person.

And then we take your baby from the bottom of the ocean and we do an autopsy on it.

That's how all stories should end.

I think so.

With babies from the bottom of the ocean having autopsies down there.

I think so.

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No worries there.

How about this one, New York Times?

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power grid.

Did you see the Coates thing?

Was it last week or the week before?

You know, it's the director of National Intelligence talking about Russia.

We get so caught up in this being a Trump issue.

It's so frustrating.

We have no reports.

There's been no investigation result, right?

So we have nothing nothing really to look at.

What we do have is these guys coming out and saying over and over again, this is happening now with us as a nation.

Not as a

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That's the totally separate.

You can focus on that when the report comes out if you want.

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Glenn back.

Welcome to it.

Saw Miranda over the weekend.

Miranda live.

Miranda sings, of course, if you don't know who she is.

I went with my daughter, which was fun to watch her.

Was she into it?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Had to stand by the tour bus at the end, too.

So, yeah.

Wow, you didn't know the full pool at all.

Oh, I was really cool.

I was really cool.

So, we had the full fan experience.

And

she's really funny.

The woman who plays Miranda Sings, Colleen, something or other.

She was,

what's her name?

Grande.

Ariana Grande.

Ariana Grande's vocal coach, which I didn't know.

I didn't know she could, I mean, because Ariana Grande.

She can sing.

This woman who does Miranda Sings is wickedly talented.

But she's good.

See an ELO tonight, which is childhood dream.

They better be good because it's been, you know, 40 years in the making.

So I'm expecting something special tonight.

Expecting something special.

Are you hitting on them?

What's happening?

I've been a fan for 40 years.

It's the payback.

It's time for them to do something special tonight.

See it five on the blaze.

Back, Mercury.