'California Wildfire of Corruption'? - 8/06/18

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Glenn, back.

So yesterday, President Trump appeared to admit yesterday that his son, Don Jr., met with the Russians in Trump Tower with the intent of getting dirt on Hillary Clinton.

He tweeted, and I quote, this was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics, and it went nowhere.

I did not know about it, end quote.

Now this of course set everybody's hair on fire all day yesterday.

Oh my gosh.

Oh my gosh, Donald Trump.

He contradicted what he said last year.

Okay.

Of course he did.

Don Jr.'s statement regarding the meeting was this, quote, We primarily discussed a program about adoption of Russian children that was active and popular with Russian or American families years ago and since ended by the Russian government.

But it is not a campaign issue at the time and there was no follow-up, end quote.

But was Trump's admission yesterday something that we didn't know already?

We've seen the emails from Don Jr.

accepting the meeting after they offered compromising information on Clinton.

But it all went south when the Russians came in and all they wanted to do was talk about adoption and the Magnitsky Act.

So whether the president actually knew about this meeting or not, we may never know, but we do know that high-level members of the campaign at least wanted to collude.

They just never got the chance.

And again, this is as far as we know.

And we've known this for over a year.

So there is nothing new here.

Now, I did see a line in an NBC News story that got my attention.

Directly after quoting the president's admission in the tweet, the article said this, quote, it is illegal for campaigns to accept help from a foreign government or from foreign nationals, end quote.

Now see, this is really interesting.

Because if that is true, why haven't the senior members of the DNC and even Hillary Clinton not been arrested?

Because the DNC hired a foreign national, a former spy, Christopher Steele,

and he got information, not only is he English, but he got information from the Russians.

Why isn't that a problem?

The Trump campaign wanted information from a foreign national, a Russian lawyer, a friend, but didn't get it.

Clinton campaign wanted information on Trump hired by a foreign spy from a foreign nation state and then used that information to manipulate the FBI and the DOJ.

Out of those two scenarios,

how are they different?

I mean, I think one is worse than the other.

One candidate tried and failed, and the other one was successful in getting compromising information.

Whether any of it is actually true or not is another issue.

But she then used that information to try to swing the election and the fallout is still affecting the public opinion to this day.

In the end,

both sides were wrong.

Team Trump was wrong for accepting the meeting under those conditions.

Shouldn't have had that meeting.

Shouldn't have taken it.

Team Clinton was wrong for yet another crime that she will never have to answer for.

But no one's concentrating on the larger issue here.

How often does this kind of activity happen?

How many foreign nationals are making money off U.S.

elections?

How many foreign nationals are influencing our elections?

On the other hand, how many of our citizens are making money influencing elections in other countries?

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This is a California wildfire of corruption.

It's Monday, August 6th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

Trying to get a legal expert on.

I

exchanged tweets yesterday with Ben Shapiro.

on this and he says, you know, it's really not,

it's really not illegal to accept the information.

It's more of campaign finance stuff.

So he's not sure that NBC is even right.

I wanted to get Dershowitz on and see if he could answer this question for us because everything else we say about it is speculation.

And that's the problem with this story.

Again, at some point, the Mueller investigation's over and they release a report.

At that time, we can all talk about what's in it.

Right now, we don't know what they have.

What he tweets is so meaningless.

Who cares what he tweets when it comes to these things?

You know, I mean, let's just say, let's say he came out and said, I, by the way, I did intend to collude, and that's exactly what I was trying to do, and

everything that everybody said on the left is right.

It's correct.

And then they, so they, what are they going to do?

They're going to ask him about it, and then he'll say the opposite.

It's a tweet.

A tweet is not like you can try to bring tweets into an investigation, but I mean, people tweet about things all the time.

They embellish.

They

overstate what they're saying.

He's not testifying on Twitter.

A lot of this is positioning for the media's sake.

And once again, we sit here and have to deal with it every week.

I don't understand it.

There are much more important things that actually are going to affect our lives that are happening right now.

And, I mean, let's just look at a few of them.

Today, I want to talk to you about what happened in Portland this weekend.

Being from the Pacific Northwest, I think I have a different

point of view on this.

I think real danger is coming from the Pacific Northwest.

There was a riot in Portland that,

I mean, we just had a guy on the streets

with a riot in

where was it?

The Palestinian occupied territories in Israel.

I mean, when Jason was on the ground, this thing

up in

Portland, I thought, was bigger and more intense than it was over in Israel.

So

we'll talk about that.

And

I guess I want to start here.

I want to ask you:

shouldn't we trust the American people?

Shouldn't we, as an organization, trust trust you

with all of the information?

Stop giving you

a slant one way or another.

Just give you the information.

Give you our perspective on it.

But just give you the information.

There's a couple of things.

Having a

chat this morning, I really want to talk to, what's his name?

Joey Gibson.

Is that his name?

He's the guy who started the Patriot Prayer organization up in Portland.

They were the other half of the riot.

They're being described as alt-right.

I don't know if they're alt-right.

I certainly don't trust the press to tell me what's alt-right and what's not.

I mean, they'll tell you that the

neo-Nazis and Richard Spencer are alt-right.

No, as an alternative to the right.

They are alt-right.

They just aren't right.

Correct.

They are an alternative to the right, which goes back to the left because they are for socialism.

They stand against the Bill of Rights, the Constitution.

You know,

they have nothing in common with the right, with the American right.

So who are these guys?

And the debate is, you want to give these guys a voice?

I'm not saying that these guys in particular are bad.

Yeah, and I would give Antifa a voice too.

If I could find a spokesperson for Antifa, I'd put Antifa Antifa on the air.

Shouldn't you hear it for yourself from them?

I'm tired of it.

We are leaving the place to where

people are hiding.

They're just saying it.

In fact, let me play MSNBC.

We're in a unique place right now, and we're going to pass it.

Here's MSNBC over the weekend and they were talking about Americans who fear socialism now I want you to listen to what they're saying

this

fulfills one of the things I said would happen when I was at Fox that the masks are gonna come off and they're all just gonna say yes this doesn't work we are socialists now they've done that in the last six months the democratic socialist

you know that are running and all of this all of this talk about open socialism okay

all right well that's refreshing at least we know where they stand however

the window is closing because listen to the way msnbc is talking about it listen i also think we sit here and we talk about this big concept of socialism we debate what it actually means all the polling that i've seen when people go out state by state and ask what people care about it's about the cost of health care yes right that's what people care about yes so if you can show up and you can say i'm going to take care of the cost of health care like that's a really powerful argument.

But you're getting into details and you're talking about a nuanced, powerful argument.

But lots of people don't get into the argument.

They just go, oh my gosh, socialist, I can't have that.

It's going to take all my money.

And I will tell you, if the entire Democratic Party gets branded as socialist successfully going into the midterms or into the 2020 presidential, depending on who takes that mantle, they lose.

Even if those are winning policies,

it's such a difficult time.

This is the thing.

This is the thing.

We can reject the label and just simply, there's there's an old philosophical concept.

Let's explicate by elimination.

Let's get rid of the term and see what it stands for.

When we talk about decent wages, we talk about being able to afford one's house, when we talk about being able to send one's kid to an affordable college, when we talk about the basic on-the-ground issues of solvent.

Then the answer is take a page from the Republicans' playbook.

They've hijacked the word patriot.

The word patriot is a beautiful, strong American word.

It means one who defends the honor and values of their country in the face of foes.

The president president does the opposite in the eyes of Helsinki.

I wish we could figure out what it is that we could call socialism, because my frustration is: what do you want to call what they have in Germany, where they've got a bigger social state, you don't fall through the cracks, and yet somehow they've managed to not

fail as a state?

Whatever you want to call that.

Manufacturing powerhouses, whatever you want to call it.

Denmark, any, we can name a bunch of different countries that have that.

Whatever you want to call that, can we have that?

I'm telling you, I think that it's not radical.

Yes, it is, actually.

It's very radical.

And, you know, I'm so tired of the Denmark and the Norway things.

They are massively failing now.

They are running away from socialism.

It works when you have a homogenous society, when you have everybody blonde hair, blue-eyed, everybody's from the same place, everybody feels the same way, everybody is connected to the land, if you will.

The minute you start to add in immigrants, the minute you start to have a real influx of immigrants who say, No, no, no, I don't want to be like you, the whole thing begins to shimmy apart.

And that's what's happening in Norway and Denmark and Sweden.

It's all coming apart.

By the way, our way is better.

Our way is better.

You know, not just keeping a society homogenous is better.

We've picked a better way, a better path here.

Right, but it doesn't.

The point is, it doesn't work.

It also, socialism never works.

You can have socialism

or open open borders, but you cannot have both.

So which one do you want?

If you have a sign that says free stuff for all,

you must control the numbers coming through the door.

Because you can't afford to keep the door open all the time and feed people who are not from your neighborhood or from your country or whatever.

You have to have control of the border if you want socialism.

And open borders are not, it fails eventually anyway.

Yes, it does.

But it just makes it so much faster.

It makes it so much more difficult.

Can we quickly point out one thing here?

Yeah.

That keeps, it's frustrating to me right now.

What we're hearing from a lot of people in the Democratic socialist pitch right now is how bad, and it's returning to the top of the polls, how bad the health care costs are, how high they are, how people are concerned about them.

It's coming to the top of their minds yet again.

Can we all remember that Obamacare wasn't repealed?

It's still in force right now.

This whole thing you told us was going to solve the problems when it came to health care.

Made the problem worse.

It didn't change anything.

It made it worse, and we never got rid of it.

They fooled with it a little bit on the edges.

And they've been able to do a couple of things, but really there's been very little effect from anything Trump has done since getting into office or anything that the Congress has done since Trump got into office.

This is just Obamacare.

So, when you're complaining about the cost of health care, you're complaining about your solution for the cost to healthcare.

And they can't let them get away with this.

All of a sudden, now we have to go to socialism.

So, here's the thing.

We have to go further left to solve the problem you created by going further left.

That's the way they always do it.

Always.

So,

here's the thing: you'll notice that what they're saying is,

let's not talk about socialism, let's talk about

the cost of health care and the cost of your home.

Well, that's fine, except you're not talking about the actual cost.

The anchor mocked.

Oh, these are going to take all my money.

Yes, that's what socialism does.

And then socialism makes everybody into a nice little brick.

Everybody's the same.

Well, we're not the same.

We are vastly different.

You know, I watched a show this weekend called The Hour on the BBC.

It's a series, came from, I don't know, 2012 or something like that.

And it's really good.

It's about a TV show that was started in the 1950s.

It's a drama.

And

it's how they are putting on the first kind of like a 60 minutes

in England.

But you watch a first few episodes of this thing, you are going to appreciate the United States of America unlike you've ever appreciated it before.

You are going to appreciate the progress that we have made and how far ahead of the game we were from everywhere else.

When you see what the press had to deal with to be able to

be able to get past the government censors,

And anybody who is liberal at all, watch that, watch that.

You tell me that, you know, well, journalism, I mean, it's so much better with a BBC.

Really?

Watch it.

Watch what they have to do.

Watch what they have to change because of funding.

Watch who they have to kiss their butts on.

Watch the censors come in and watch every show.

Watch the journalists look around to see if anybody from the government is peering over their shoulder.

Watch it.

That's what a socialist nation is.

A government, a group of government officials running your life.

Now, I don't know about you, but I've never met

a government official that I thought would be better running my life than me.

And I run my life pretty lousy.

I'm not good.

I will tell you this.

I'm much better than the U.S.

government is.

We can all agree, though, that it's good at things.

Good things always come from American commentators praising the German system.

This has never led to anything that turned out negative in the end, and we should always remember that.

I didn't even get to my real question here.

There's so much in that eclipse.

Yeah, there is, and there's so much to talk about today.

You see what's happening in South Africa?

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Some news broke this weekend, and

I think I have to take a stand that I really don't want to take.

Well, you don't have to.

I mean, no one's forcing you to do anything.

We haven't we discussed this?

Yes, I think we've discussed it, and maybe that's enough.

We talked about it before the show: not to speak is to speak.

Well, but I mean, no one's gonna know, and we could change what the topic is right now, no one's gonna know what we said we had to talk about.

Man's character is tested when you have to take a stand for things that you don't want to stand for, unless you don't, and that's next.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

If you only have about five minutes today and you're kind of running around, make sure you come back and listen to the podcast because I think this is going to be a long conversation that's going to encompass several news stories today.

But it is all around freedom of speech and

trusting the American people.

Do we trust the American people?

And if your answer is no,

then we have to have a deeper conversation about the failure of the American experiment.

Because it does not work if we don't trust each other.

If we don't trust each other to make the right decisions, then somebody has to be in control.

And that means that

the American system

is a failure.

Or at least it is at this point.

So

should

we have

should I have members of Antifa on so you can hear them?

Or is that just giving them a platform?

Should I have members of Patriot Prayer on?

Or is that just giving them a platform?

Should Richard Spencer come on?

Alexander Dugan, who I think is extraordinarily dangerous, should he be a guest?

And I'm not saying have an open forum to say whatever you want,

but to

without pushback,

but I'm not saying set up a confrontation either.

What I'm saying is,

why do people join these groups?

They join these groups because nobody's listening to them.

And nobody is reflecting their concerns.

Now, I don't think that racism is taking over our nation.

I really don't.

I do think that there is a strong pushback from multiculturalism.

And that's totally different.

And we should have that conversation.

But is there a limit to free speech?

I don't think there is.

Let me give you the first example.

I think if you've listened to me for very long, you know exactly how I feel about Alex Jones.

I don't like Alex Jones.

I think Alex Jones is a dangerous man.

I think Alex Jones has...

I think there's a possibility in listening to him that he has a serious, you know, some sort of mental condition

that

he's over the edge, in my opinion.

You could say without the millions of dollars, Alex Jones is the guy on the corner with the megaphone.

The problem with that analysis is that with the millions of dollars, he's the guy on the corner with the megaphone.

Correct.

Okay, so now

people have been suing him, and I think, you know, rightfully so if, you know, they've been slandered or libeled and,

you know, some of the stuff he's done has just been despicable, just despicable.

However, now he's being taken off of Facebook.

He's being taken off of Apple iTunes.

Those are the two, by the way, those are two big breaking stories over the past 24 hours.

Yeah, they removed four of his podcasts off of iTunes and removed his.

But only four?

They're not taking him entirely.

There's one program, for whatever reason, didn't get pulled.

It's called like News Night or something.

And I don't know if that's a different type of show that maybe doesn't deal in the same types of stuff Alex Jones does.

It's not hosted by Alex Jones.

It's hosted by somebody else.

And then they also have

four pages from Infowars and Alex Jones were taken down, which are the Alex Jones channel, the Alex Jones page, the InfoWars page, and the InfoWars nightly news page.

So if you yesterday were looking for Alex Jones, you may have found him.

Today, you're not going to find him.

I mean, a celebration in some regard for,

you know, common decency.

However,

a very sad day for freedom of speech.

Now,

iTunes and Facebook, they're private corporations.

They can do whatever they want.

They can make it up as they go if they want.

I don't like it.

But they're a private corporation.

So if they decide that's what they want to do, well, they're a private corporation and we don't have anything to say about it unless we make them into a utility, which is really bad.

Because once we make them into a utility,

well, good heavens,

Now you've got the federal government deciding who's good, who's bad.

And how ridiculous would that be?

As soon as it was a utility, it would start being run terribly, and everyone would bail on it anyway, and then there would be a news site that everyone went to anyway.

It's a silly, silly fashion.

So it won't work.

Now, he hasn't been taken off the internet.

The problem is, though,

you need a provider.

You need a platform to be able to have a place on the internet.

And the platforms are kicking him off, which again, because they're private, they have a right to do that.

But

should voices be silenced in America?

Should communist voices have been silenced in the 1950s?

Should the voices of the homosexual league in the 1950s, should they have been silenced?

I'm not comparing Alex Jones to,

well, kind of communism is, I think, just as destructive as Alex Jones is.

But the thing, whatever is opposed at that time, right?

I mean, back in the 50s, there was a totally different set of values, which is why these points are supposed to be self-evident and long-lasting.

Because the thing that we oppose changes.

The thing that is absolutely beyond the pale, that could never be allowed to be heard changes from year to year, seemingly now from minute to minute.

And, you know, I don't know.

I mean, it's interesting to see what's happening here.

Think about, forget Alex Jones and the things he says for a second and the nonsense.

All agree their views.

They're despicable.

Yeah.

The guy's built a business, right?

The guy's built a nice big business where he sells, he tells, you know, he's able to sell to his listeners and viewers pills that will change your genitals.

He's selling male vitality formula to millions of people.

Congratulations.

Congratulations on that.

Again,

I don't think this is a good business, but think about what the business is, right?

He's built his entire business on things like YouTube and

iTunes and Facebook and other social media.

His entire business is there.

Now, it's funny because InfoWars, like, as far as I understand it, and I'm no Alex Jones historian here, but my InfoWars was essentially an idea to, you know, the main, whatever, the big media people, those evil corporate people, like the ones and, you know,

the people who actually hire others, right?

Those people.

Even Evil Talk Radio, right, is

these corporate interests.

So I'm going around those corporate interests and bringing it right to you on YouTube and Facebook and iTunes.

And now YouTube and Facebook and iTunes are saying, no, we're not going to allow you to do that anymore.

So

here's a company that's built, it has a bunch of

tentacles in all of these different major platforms.

And one by one, they are being targeted by

the BuzzFeed article about iTunes talks about a group called, I'm not familiar with,

it's called Sleeping Giants.

And they are apparently a group targeting

Alex Jones and all these media sources to get them to take him off the platform.

Same time, Alex Jones is being sued by

seemingly

a new group every week.

And I've openly speculated about this, and this is Alex Jones-level conspiracy theory.

I have absolutely no information, but I feel like it's one of those things where, similar to Peter Thiel, as he went after Gawker, there's some big funder who's funding lots of lawsuits against Alex Jones right now.

I could be completely wrong about that, but it feels the same way.

And again, completely legal.

I'm sure it's not Peter Thiel doing it.

It would be somebody else using that playbook.

But it is interesting to see he's being targeted by multiple lawsuits all at the same time.

He's been saying this nonsense forever.

When Alex Jones came into our lives, he was pairing with socialists like Cynthia McKinney to complain about the Bush administration

blowing up the World Trade Center.

That is who this guy is.

He's never been a conservative or 9-11 winger.

9-11 Truther stuff really was born with him.

Yeah, he's the father of that movement, basically.

And now we're all supposed to act as if he's some hardcore right-winger.

And that doesn't make any sense.

He never was.

And that's.

No, he has Alexander Dugan on in a regular basis.

Yeah, you know, the left.

In a

positive way.

Right.

The left loves.

They're doing the same thing they did with fascism when Mussolini.

Mussolini was no right-winger.

Like, this is insane.

He was a socialist.

He was a socialist.

Do you know how fascism really began?

Do you know what that was?

That was from Mussolini.

He's in World War I, and he sees how people are fighting.

And he comes out the other side and he's like, look, man, communism is the way to go.

But nobody in Italy was fighting for the workers of the world.

They were fighting for Italy.

So we have to make this national socialism, not international socialism.

International socialist workers of the world.

That is, that's communism.

National socialist workers,

that's fascism.

The only difference

is, are you nationalist?

Do you own everything, or do you, do you govern it and own some of it, but you tell industry what to do?

All right.

That's why the voting records of

the Nazi Party and the Communist Party are incredibly similar.

Yes.

Up until they started really hating each other and the struggle for power.

But their voting records, they supported the same policies largely.

So it's interesting to kind of see this happen because that's been what the media has done for a long time.

They're trying to push Alex Jones.

And look, he really likes Trump.

So I can see there is a sensible,

you know.

tie there.

I'm not saying there's nothing there, but I mean, they've been trying to push Alex Jones off on the right for a very long time.

But it's interesting to see this happen because I, you know, there's nobody who thinks Alex Jones is worse for the world than I do.

I am and you.

I mean, I think he's terrible.

He's a terrible, terrible influence.

And I hate the fact that he, that he, that right has to bear some ownership of his ridiculous nonsense.

But the idea, it seems to me that the simple thing to do here is to let people, when they sign up to hear something, let them hear it.

Like the idea that you need to go through Facebook, and they have every right to do this.

They're a private company, as you mentioned.

But it's like the idea that they have to go go through and try to manipulate what people hear when they've chosen to try to seek it out.

Here's the amazing thing.

Here's the amazing thing.

Facebook came to people like us, content creators, and said, hey, put your content on here.

Give us your listeners.

And then

we'll provide a place to where you can communicate with them in a different way.

So we did.

You went to Facebook.

A lot of our audience went to Facebook and Twitter for the very first time because we said, hey, we're there.

Help support us.

Yada, yada.

Then once they got all of our listeners, then Facebook said, yeah, well, those listeners, they don't really want Glenn.

They're not really here for them.

We'll give them some Glenn and access, but

not all of it.

We're going to throw some other things in we think they're going to like.

Okay, well, that's good.

But wait a minute.

I just gave you my listeners so we could communicate.

Now you're boxing me out of my communication with my listeners.

If they want to do that, that's fine.

They want to thumbs down stuff and then the algorithm changes.

That's fine.

But you're changing the algorithm.

And then they box you out and then say, oh, by the way, Glenn, if you want access to the people you brought to the table, you have to pay for it.

Or worse, we're not going to let them see your stuff.

or worse you actually pay to get access to them initially and then you pull the rug out after we've given you the money because a lot of these places have paid for advertising to to acquire these listers and think about this there's never been never been

in i think probably the history of the world has never been more free advertising given to a company than facebook and twitter yep every single show that comes on the air will tell you to go to Facebook or Twitter to get their information.

And then when they go there and they take the time to sign up, then later on you say, No.

I mean, how many times has probably Alex Jones said, go to Facebook, go to iTunes and get my podcast?

All these people go there, they sign up to get it, and then

they get blocked out.

And it's not just that's not what's happening to him, he's actually being removed.

And he's not being removed for fake news, by the way, or lying about the 9-11 conspiracy theory.

He's being removed because he's apparently violated their hate speech guidelines.

Again, they have the right to have those guidelines.

So I am stuck in this place to where I am a free speech

absolutist.

And

I, you know, first they come for Alex Jones.

So

longer conversation.

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Glenn Beck.

Shield of love.

Doesn't shield the love sound like something like the BG Shield of Love?

Doesn't it sound like some crappy 70s song?

But it's not.

It is what protected the Venezuelan president, Nicolas Maduro.

He said he was protected by a shield of love from the assassination attempt over the weekend.

Now, I'm not really sure if this was a real assassination attempt.

It's a shield of something that is protecting him.

It wasn't the hundreds of soldiers assembled at his speech.

If you saw the video, it was pretty amazing.

It shows the president standing up there, and you hear a sound of an explosion of some sort.

Everybody looks up and they're like, oh my gosh.

His wife is clearly frightened.

Soldiers and everybody kind of look up.

And then it cuts to the crowd shots.

And then

all of a sudden, you see the soldiers just start to run.

You know, it's like,

he's got cooties, and all of them run.

It's quite an amazing thing.

Anyway, Maduro was in the middle of this televised speech.

The explosion caused the panic in the crowd.

And, you know, it got worse from there.

Now, three hours later, Maduro was back on TV, having uncovered the supposed conspiracy.

So dictators, you know, they seem to be very fast,

you know, detectives.

I

don't know.

Hitler was a very fast detective.

He says that two drones were carrying explosives that were intended for him, but a shield of love protected him.

He says the drones are the work of far-right extremists and dissidents living in Colombia and in Florida.

He specifically blamed Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos, but Santos said it's already the custom of Venezuelan leaders to permanently blame Colombia for any type of situation.

Now, a group of dissident soldiers that call themselves soldiers in t-shirts claimed responsibility for the attack on Twitter, saying that Army snipers

Shot their drones loaded with C4 before they could reach the president's platform.

Now, some of the residents that were near the speech say the explosion was just a gas explosion at an apartment building.

So we don't know.

Critics of Venezuela aren't buying the version from Maduro that it was flying drones, but we don't know.

Critics say it's just a convenient excuse to round up army deserters and a way to distract the public from the country's struggle with severe food and medicine shortages.

A Venezuelan expert at the Washington office on Latin America told the Washington Post that it is hard to imagine Maduro's government doesn't have footage of the drones if that is exactly what happened.

He said, if the government or someone else doesn't put out some footage of these drones or the explosions, it should be considered highly suspect.

Venezuelan government says it has already arrested six terrorists connected with the blast.

There are no further details on anything because it's,

or say,

socialist dictatorship.

It's Monday, August 6th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

I'm with you.

I'm skeptical as to whether it was an actual attempt.

I mean, there's also reporting that there was a gas explosion nearby and blah, blah, blah.

But

the drone attack thing is a pretty scary possibility and seemingly could be done done so easily by someone who wanted to t take terrible action against any leader in any any part of the world.

I mean, that, you know, I guess from what I understand, ISIS did this a decent amount.

They used them

frequently in war where they would, you know, just fly.

Again, like we all know that the military has drones, but these are commercial drones you could buy online easily for

a few hundred dollars and have them go over a target and drop something.

Gosh, we're about to have a different world.

Because you can see, I mean, they're being used for so many good things.

I mean, if you see online, you can see the videos of

firefighting with them where they'll float up to the 20th floor and be able to put

fire extinguisher

pressure on the fire that is almost impossible to get to unless you put people in real danger.

Why didn't they tell The Rock about that?

That movie wouldn't have been so harrowing.

It would have been a lot less interesting.

Skyscraper.

Yeah.

Just would have

put a drone up and had it go up 95 floors and just put that damn thing out.

Wouldn't have had to jump.

That was an amazing jump.

Did you see that?

Yes, I did.

Yeah.

Didn't think he would

didn't think he would make that.

Close call.

Yeah.

Close call.

Very close call.

Very close call.

So, anyway, out in Portland,

you know, I would really like to, could we open the phones for anybody who is listening to us in Oregon or the surrounding areas?

Anybody who's in Vancouver, Washington, or anyone in

southern Washington State.

What the hell is happening?

Now, I personally think this is my grandfather's prediction of the people who are just too damn weird for California are moving up here.

And that's what he said when we lived in Washington State.

And I think that's true.

The ones who were not, the ones who were turned off by the commercialism of Hollywood and Southern California and thought that was all a sellout, the ones who really, really believed in something, they moved up into the woods.

You know, they came up into the Pacific Northwest.

And so that's a real

die-hard socialist, almost communist compound up there in areas.

And they're serious and they are

smack dab next to

people who, when I was growing up, always wore flannel shirts.

These are the people that, you know,

Eddie Bauer

is Ralph Lorraine.

Okay.

And it's they're the farmers, they're the loggers, they're the Boeing workers,

and they're just hardworking, normal people,

and they're not into communism, and

you've got these two forces, and at some point,

the people who

wear Eddie Bauer are not going to take it

because they're seeing things destroyed.

Put yourself into Portland.

Say you're living in Portland.

Say even, you know, you don't like Donald Trump, okay?

But you're not a radical.

I just want to read this story.

Along the trolley tracks behind the U.S.

Immigration and Customs Enforcement Field Office, a biohazard cleanup crew works under police protection.

It finds used needles and buckets of human waste simmering in a nearly 100-degree heat.

The smell of urine and feces fills the block.

For more than five weeks, as many as 200 people had occupied the site to demand ICE's immediate abolition.

They're gone now, but the community is left reeling.

38 days of government-sanctioned anarchy will do this.

Now, this is from the Wall Street Journal.

A mob surrounded ICE's office in southwest Portland June 19th.

They barricaded the exits and blocked the driveway.

They sent, quote, guards, end quote, to patrol the doors, trapping the workers inside.

At night, they laid on the street, stopping all traffic at critical junctions near a hospital.

Police stayed away.

Quote, at this time, I'm denying your request for additional resources, the Portland Police Bureau Deputy Chief Robert Day, wrote to federal officers pleading for help.

Hours later, the remaining ICE workers were finally evacuated by a small federal police team.

The facility was shut down for more than a week.

Now, do you understand that so far?

They've occupied.

They're blocking the streets.

They've blocked these people in.

They called for help.

Get us out.

Police said, sorry, can't help you.

So they had to call for federal officers to come in.

Signs called employees Nazis and white supremacists.

Others accused them of running a concentration camp and demanded open borders and prosecution of ICE agents.

Along a wall, vandals wrote the names of ICE staff, encouraging others to publish their private information online.

Federal workers were defenseless.

As an ICE officer who asked his name not be published told me, one of his colleagues was trailed in the car and confronted when he went to pick up his daughter from summer camp.

Later, people showed up at his house.

Another had his name and photo plastered on flyers outside of his home, accusing of him, accusing him of being part of the Gestapo.

So, where were the police?

Ordered away by Democratic Mayor Ted Wheeler, who doubles as the police commissioner quote I do not want the Portland police to be engaged or sucked into a conflict particularly from a federal agency that I believe is on the wrong track he tweeted if ICE is looking for a bailout from this mayor they're looking in the wrong place end quote

the mob set up camp behind the building where they harassed journalists and banned photography the open border advocates also erected an eight-foot wall around their site.

Now that's funny.

Isn't that funny?

Here are people who

apparently are doing the right thing in their mind, but you ban all photography.

And then, to protest the wall, you build a wall.

The reporter says, I walked through and I saw young children, even infants, in squalid conditions and 90-degree heat.

Every American flag was defaced, but the anarchists and communist flags were unsoiled.

Stuart Lindquist, the ICE facility's 79-year-old landlord, needed to visit his property on June 21st.

Quote, the political powers of the city of Portland have stopped the police from doing what they normally would do, he told me.

When attempted to drive into his own parking lot, occupiers swarmed and pounded his window.

In the commotion, mister Lindquist's car struck someone in the mob who wasn't injured.

His home address, however, later appeared online, and he says says the harassment has not ended.

On June 28th, federal police, federal police, mobilized from an out-of-state facility and they finally moved in to reopen the office.

They arrested a handful of people for refusing to leave the ICE office's storefront, but the rest retreated to the camp and focused their vitriol on the officers.

They repeatedly called black officers traitors and house N-words.

They shouted that

they knew where the officers lived and they published their addresses online.

The Hakes family, who owns the Happy Camper food cart across the street from the ICE office, responded to a statement with incredulity.

The mob, quote, terrorized our family, end quote, and forced the family business to close.

Mrs.

Hakes showed me a text message from her 21-year-old daughter,

Brianna, who ran the cart.

I just saw a drug deal, Brianna reported.

After members of the anti-ICE mob spotted her selling breakfast burritos to federal officers, the situation quickly deteriorated.

Call me immediately, Brianna wrote.

I'm being accused of supporting the pigs

and child deportation.

She said the people that were wearing masks threatened to hurt her and burn their cart down, and the police never responded to her frantic phone calls.

Randy Glary, a 52-year-old artist, longtime resident, was photographing the camp when he said a group of occupiers knocked his camera in his face.

Charles Williams, 62-year-old man who lives across the street, said someone threatened to stab him with an AIDS-infected needle.

From his balcony, he said, I saw thugs begin masked street patrols, brandishing sticks.

Lisa Leonard, 53-year-old disabled resident, said occupiers hit her on the head, disabled her electric wheelchair, and lifted her in the air when she complained about the loud drumming.

She called the police.

They would only take her statement.

Locals wondered why the city is allowed this.

According to Peter Simpson, public information officer with the Portland police, it is at the mayor's direction.

PBB

is involved in a very limited action.

Back at the trolley tracks, the

occupiers have been evicted.

But now taxpayers are going to have to foot the costly cleanup bill.

The Hakes family still trying to recover.

Brianna has decided to move.

They know my face and car, she said.

Like the other residents, she expects the mobs to return.

That's incredible.

I mean, we've heard very little about that story as it's developed.

It's really interesting, isn't it?

It is.

As you were talking about it,

it sort of tipped off a reminder of the Pizzagate thing that happened in

D.C., where one of the Pizzagate believers went into Comet Ping Pong or whatever it was with a gun.

It's something they continually refer to as a major incident.

Now, of course, it was not good.

The guy went in there, thought there were

tunnels for horror sex slaves

with a gun.

could have been bad realized that the conspiracy theory was untrue and then gave you know gave up to police and it was over they didn't that's not the story here at all no they came in and they took over a facility they kidnapped i would i would argue kidnapped workers if you're not letting people leave i mean absolutely hello that's that's the iranian hostage situation 1979 you close off the you close off the embassy and no one's leaving can you imagine if if if a trump-friendly mayor happened to be the mayor of where Comet Ping Pong was and they said, you know what, we're not going to go assist the people at the pizza restaurant.

We're just going to let that guy stay there with a gun and

continue to hold hostage all the workers.

Can you imagine?

And by the way, if you think, if you're worried about this election, your best hope is that the people who are saying end ICE are being embraced by the Democrats.

This isn't,

I'm sure, the behavior they may shun, although, again, the mayor is saying the opposite.

He's not even inviting the police there.

But they're advocating for this.

This is Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez in action.

Do you know why?

Because there's another story.

Some of their defense is coming from the chapter of the Council on American Islamic Relations and the Portland chapter of the Democratic Socialists of America.

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Is that an incredible story from Portland?

It's hard to imagine that as actually happening.

It's a very good thing.

And where's the coverage?

Yeah.

I mean, I've seen the headlines.

I mean, look at what they're saying now about Donald Trump.

They're saying Donald Trump is going to start a war.

He's going to start a war.

People are going to be hurt.

Look at what's happening in Portland.

Where's the reporting?

Well, look at the Bundy situation out west and how much coverage that got, where they were.

I mean, that was a totally, you know, I mean, it's a totally different situation.

No, it really wasn't.

It was a

group of people.

Some of them had ill intent.

They were going to

kill the federal agents if they had to, but they didn't want to.

They just wanted a change.

They took control of a state-owned facility and just took it.

From my understanding, though, they never kidnapped anybody.

No, they never kidnapped.

This is where, oh, if you're saying.

I'm saying it's worse.

In Portland, you're taking an active...

This is basically a giant park with the Bundy situation, right?

I mean, like, so it's a lot different than taking a working facility with employees inside and not letting them leave.

Yes.

That's a completely different story to me.

I mean, you know,

but how much bigger was the Bundy story?

Again, the other part about this is it's happening in an urban area.

Like, this is like, you know, the Bundy area was like the middle of nowhere.

There's no people really around.

This is Portland.

How is this?

And the mayor is siding with,

in this case, would be the money.

Do you remember what the Russians said?

Do you remember what the Russians said around in the 1990s?

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Cascadia is what they called it.

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You know,

I've been thinking a lot about

my job

and how to do my job

and how things have

changed

and

how we're not listening to each other and we're all starting to

gather up under this banner of outrage because we're being challenged.

And it is, you know, when your back is thrown up against the wall, that's what you do.

You get into fight or flight.

And

too many people in America are tired of flight.

And all of this

back and forth of fake news.

What does fake news even mean?

Stu, what is fake news to you?

What does it mean?

I mean, at this point, it means nothing.

Initially, it was meant to design, just to describe stories like on Facebook where people were sharing intentionally false news, not stuff like, hey, Donald Trump is bad, or not, you know, even things like 9-11 conspiracy theories.

It was supposed to describe people who were fraudulently writing stories from scratch with no basis that would induce clicks.

So, what does it mean now?

I guess now it's I mean, it seems to mean

news you disagree with?

Yeah, well, for example, the uh New Zealand, which is like a, you know,

they pulled a shirt from their website that said like something about fake news because the left was mad that anyone would even say fake news exists, which, of course, it was a left.

I mean, it was a mainstream media-created term to describe stories that were completely false.

And then it got kind of pushed into the

political debate.

But, I mean,

it's just been captured now, I think, by Trump largely

to describe mainstream media giving him bad coverage, I would say, is the way it's utilized most.

I don't know if that's the way anybody interprets it now.

I mean, I think it's just

it's news against your side.

Yeah, it's news against your side.

I think it's the way that's the way it's most utilized.

Yes.

So now this comes from, where did this come from?

This isn't new.

This comes from the media not listening to half of the country.

That's where it comes from.

Not being in touch with what half of the country feels and how they think and what they're worried about.

It's different than it is what you're worried about in California or you're worried about in New York City or even worried about in Chicago.

It's different.

And because they don't have any real

presence there

and they don't pull, they pull from the same place.

All the all the employees of these big news organizations, they generally all come from the same mill, same university system, with the same progressive professors.

I think there's two, two conservative

press

journalist professors in universities.

I think there's two.

A full two?

I think there's a full.

It may not be full.

Sounds skeptical.

Sounds like maybe news to me.

Right.

Okay.

So they're coming.

They're being churned out and

they're coming to groupthink.

And it's not, you know, let's give everybody the benefit of the doubt.

But here's what's not happening.

What's not happening is anybody in the media that is being fair enough to say, wait,

if this was said about

my side, how would I have covered it?

The journalists' job.

And this is where Woodrow Wilson and the Council on Foreign Relations turned everything upside down.

Journalists,

because of the progressive era, were taught that they need to teach the American people what the right policies are.

That's why when we played this audio from MSNBC earlier today, where they were discussing, you know, what do we call socialism?

Because socialism has a bad name, but everybody wants free stuff.

What do we call it?

Well, we call it socialism.

That's what we call it.

But they believe that we have to change the language because dumb people just don't know what that means.

Yes, we do.

We know exactly what it means.

We just don't agree with you.

We don't agree that it is a wonderful thing that doesn't tax us to death and control our lives.

You do think, you think it's wonderful.

We don't.

But their job is to teach.

No, that's not your job.

Your job is to expose.

Your job job is to reflect what is truly happening.

And I would ask journalists, let's take a look at how you covered the Nazis.

Big story, important story.

One day, what was it?

It was one day, it was violent, it was scary,

but no hostages were taken.

Let's compare how you descended on

Charlottesville and you had every square inch covered.

And I can't find any coverage really on what happened in

Portland with ice.

I can't.

Can you show me?

Can anybody show me where

the television truck was just outside?

Where they had the remote location and they were saying inside they have hostages?

Have you seen that footage?

Because I haven't seen that.

I remember when Scott Walker was,

I certainly remember that.

Remember that when Scott Walker was up there

in

Wisconsin and they came and they occupied the state house?

And it was covered.

It was covered, but not in a negative way.

No, it was covered in a positive way.

So look at the difference between the way they covered the Nazis and Portland Antifa.

Look at the way they called the Tea Party anti-American, anti-government, but they never said that about Occupy Wall Street, and they never say that about Antifa.

Here are people that are openly saying the destruction of America, the Western way of life, and capitalism, and you won't label them anti-government?

They're anarchists.

I know it's redundant, but I don't think that's the reason why you're not calling them anti-government.

Look how the Tea Party, they immediately, the Koch brothers, Koch brothers,

here's Antifa being supported by the Democratic Socialists of America.

You are currently running people in the Democratic Party that are openly endorsing the Democratic Socialists of America.

They were involved in a hostage situation, and yet you are telling everyone that they're not radical.

They are saying that they want an end to capitalism, but you are telling the American people that's not radical?

Look how

you cover anybody that goes to speak

at a university

and they're not allowed to speak because what?

They're fascists, but you do not cover the anti-fascists that are breaking windows and throwing Molotov cocktails in any judgmental sort of way.

You talk about Donald Trump's rhetoric.

Let's compare

the rhetoric of Donald Trump to Maxine Waters.

Sounds pretty much the same.

Sounds pretty much the same.

How about the coverage?

Was it the same?

Oh, well, he's the president.

Oh, well, she's Maxine Waters.

You talk about lies?

This president tells lies.

Really?

Did you meet the last one?

Did you meet the last one?

The reason why socialists is, you know, they're saying, yeah, we got to do something is because

we're now suffering from higher insurance rates and higher health care costs because your socialist system that you helped that president pass by allowing him to lie to the American people.

We're now suffering from that.

And you're coming to us, telling us, hey, we need more socialism.

Why do we listen to you?

I'm just looking for a journalist that respects the American people and will tell you the unpopular things for both sides.

We'll tell you the things that's going to hurt that person

because

they're going to shake some of their people that listen to them.

And sometimes those people are going to cheer.

But they tell you what is happening and let the people decide.

That is very rare in America.

And until we find a bigger group of those people, we are going to continue to have these problems and they're going to continue to get worse.

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Pleasure to talk to you.

Thank you.

I lived 25 years in the Seattle area, and now I'm living down here south of Portland, quite a way south.

But over the 25 years, we have seen more and more tolerance to the Antifada movement.

And always in by these cities like Seattle is almost unlivable now.

The street people living everywhere.

You know, you talked about San Francisco, but Seattle Seattle is right behind them, and Portland is right on the same train.

And I don't understand why.

So I mean,

did the average people in Portland,

they're fine with all of this?

Most of them are very extremely liberal.

But there are

the occasional conservatives in the area, but they're very rare.

Okay, so no liberal has a problem that you know of.

No liberal has a problem with Antiphon, what they're doing.

I have not talked to one who says this is bad.

You know, they all think it's for the people.

It's for the people.

Wow.

All right, Dennis.

Thanks for your phone call.

Let me go to Jay in Ohio.

Hello, Jay.

Hey, Glenn.

Hey.

Hey, Glenn, how are you?

Good.

Good.

Hey, we moved away from the Portland area about six years ago.

A lot of things added up to cause us to move, but one of them was this mob mentality that was starting to take over with Occupy Portland.

Saw all that going on and found that very few people had a problem with that, where mobs were taking over the city, making it dangerous to walk, destroying property, turning the city into a garbage dump.

And we've had a series of really bad mayors out there over the last 20 years.

And this current mayor, who looked like he was going to be the savior, has turned out to be the absolute worst.

I go back there routinely for business and the city is dirtier, smellier, needles everywhere, feces all over the ground, tents set up in places you would never expect.

Can I just stop for a second?

When did Americans start crapping on the streets?

When did that happen?

I miss that turning point in our history.

It's just vulgar.

It's absolutely vulgar.

People are starting to get sick of it.

Contrary to what you heard from your last call, I'm out there pretty regularly for business.

And even my leftist friends are getting sick of mostly the homeless problem.

You've got three groups of homeless, people who are down and out, people who are maybe vets or have mental illness problems, and then a whole group of people that are there as lifestyle campers wanting to live on the street, smoked open, harassed people.

And the city's doing nothing about that last group, and people are starting to get fed up with that.

And then the Antifa stuff, they always, people who are somewhat against it always say that those people are provoked.

So like the guys that were there over the weekend, I forgot.

How do you wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

But how do you say that when they've taken a building full of hostages of federal agents and would not let them leave?

Well, because those federal agents in their minds are

not

they really believe that.

Do the average people in Portland believe that?

I'd say half and half.

I'll tell you, the biggest thing I'm seeing is a rejection of downtown.

Normal, average, everyday people that don't have to go down there to work aren't going downtown anymore because they feel like it's dangerous.

It's been taken over by mobs.

It's dirty.

So,

you know, Macy's pulled out their headquarters store in downtown Portland about a year, a year and a half ago, and they said it was because of poor sales.

But I contend a lot of it is because people were afraid to go down there and try to make their way into the door, stepping over people sleeping in the doorway and having tents set up outside.

Columbia Sportswear has an ongoing battle with the city of Portland and is starting to pull out a lot of their offices within the city and move them to the suburbs.

Thank you so much, Jay.

I appreciate it.

Portland,

what is happening?

What is happening to you?

Back in a minute.

Glenn Beck.

It's Monday, August 6th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

So

we have the media saying that they fear for their lives now.

And I feel for them.

I know I've been there for several years.

And nobody should feel that way, not in America.

We have a...

Can we play the audio of a C-SPAN caller, please?

They're talking about Brian Stelter and Don Lemon from CNN, and here's what a caller says.

Don, State College, Pennsylvania, supports the criticism of the media.

Don, you are on the air.

Good morning.

Good morning.

It all started when Trump got elected.

Brian Stelter and Don Lemon from CNN

called Trump supporters all racist.

They don't even know us.

They don't even know these Americans out here and they're calling us racists because we voted for Trump.

Come on, give me a break.

They started the war.

I see them.

I'm going to shoot them.

Bye.

Okay, good.

So we have that.

We have in Portland

Antifa taking ICE, a federal office, taking hostages.

Nobody seems to even care in the media about that.

They're not really covering that.

We have the media complaining that they are under attack, and yet the right has been under attack and called all kinds of names for a very, very long time.

And I think we're hitting a tipping point.

Representative Jason Lewis is with us.

He's a congressman from Minnesota.

He has an op-ed about the violent political threats that are beginning to spin out of control.

Congressman, how are you?

Glenn, good to be back on the program.

Nice to speak with you.

Too bad that's not under happier circumstances, but I do think you're right.

I think we're at an inflection point here, and we better get a hold of it and soon.

So tell me what you know is happening

with Congressman.

Well, look, well, we all know that the number of threats reportable to the Capitol Police have skyrocketed.

It started long ago.

It's not just in the last week or month.

It started literally at the inauguration.

A year ago, this month, I had protesters on my front lawn.

When we tried to do some town halls a few weeks back, we had threats.

We got another threat recently.

Lee's Elden, David Kustoff driven off the road, Rand Paul attacked by a neighbor, and now another threat to his family.

And of course, the tragic shooting of our majority whip, Steve Scalise.

So, look, I was in your business for a number of years.

You know what it's like being in the spotlight and the calls you get and the crazies that come out against you.

Nobody wishes that for anyone in the press, as you said.

But when I hear people say, hey, we better tone it down or the administration better tone it down, someone might get hurt.

Someone already has been hurt over a year ago.

A shooting of the majority whip.

And yet...

Not only that, I mean, let's not minimize that.

That would have been, if he would have been successful, if that gate wouldn't have been locked, he might have killed a third of Congress.

And that was a political assassination attempt.

Yes, it was.

That was based on ideology.

We know that.

And that is quite different than someone going off the deep end, as tragic as that might be.

But all I'm saying is, to your point, oh, goodness, somebody might get hurt if the president says this or that.

And agreed, I don't want any threats on the First Amendment.

That's how you make your living.

That's how I made my living.

But someone already has been hurt, and there hasn't been enough reportage on that.

So

how do we change this?

Or what has to happen?

Well,

you're left with the inconvenient truth that the reason there's been a double standard or a very heightened concern over one particular situation and a lack of reporting over the other is, in fact, ideology.

is who's doing the targeting and who's being targeted.

And that's tragic.

But look, if you look at any tyrannical regime from Cuba to Venezuela, from the former Soviet Union to Red China, the first thing they do is try to silence people.

That is the first thing they try to do.

And I think it's somewhat ironic, Glenn, when you've got legitimate concerns over silencing the fourth estate, the media, oh, we can't have that.

And yet, indeed, when your office is crashed, when people break security protocol, they crash your congressional office, when resistance or indivisible deliberately try to disrupt and hold the mic without giving it back in town halls.

When they intimidate and they threaten now, they are trying to silence their opponents.

They are trying to make certain that some speech should not ever be uttered, which is an assault on what you do, assault on what I did, and it's an assault on the American experiment called the First Amendment.

And that is very, very troubling.

So does the

should the president

tone his rhetoric down?

Look, would I do things the way the President does all the time?

No, I wouldn't.

But when he simply highlights media bias, I don't know what more when you've got cable news channels dedicated to bringing down an administration, I don't know what more evidence we need to see of media bias.

Right.

So I think there's a difference between media bias and the press is the enemy of the American people.

I think there is.

And look, as I said, I want everyone to know that the First Amendment is sanctrosanct, and no one in the press should be threatened.

No one in Congress should be threatened either.

No supporters of a particular political candidate should be threatened either.

And certainly these attacks, which have escalated from the left, whether it's Antifa, whether it's Occupy Wall Street, whether it's the actual shooting of the majority whip, whether it's the myriad of Diane Black, you're not going to find a more sincere, more thoughtful, deliberate person than Representative Black.

She She was the

chairwoman of the budget committee in which I serve.

She's now running

in Tennessee, her statewide office.

They had to arrest a fellow, grand jury indictment, who threatened her and her family.

And people say, well, it cuts both ways, and to a degree it does.

But if indeed you look at the last year and a half, the last 500 days, predominantly it's coming from one side of the ideological spectrum that, quite frankly, has become unhinged.

And that's where the danger lies.

A year ago, my neighbor calls me, Glenn, and says, hey, I just got a call from my daughter.

They're a little bit upset.

You've got a bunch of people on your front lawn screaming and dailing.

And they were frightened.

So they called my neighbor.

He called the police.

I had to come out back to my house.

I'm cruising the district.

I had to come back to my house and see what was going on in my front lawn, on my porch.

They don't think the rules apply to them because their cause is so righteous.

And I'll tell you something else.

And this is where it really gets troubling.

It's not enough to say, I disagree with your policy.

It's not enough to say, look, we have policy differences.

I think you're taking the wrong approach.

They have to challenge your goodness.

You're not just wrong, you're bad.

You have malice in your heart.

And therefore, if you're bad and you have malice and you're an evil person because you don't agree with me, why I can't be responsible for what others might do.

So,

again, I come back to Jason.

I think we all know this to some degree.

But I don't know if anybody knows what to do

because,

you know,

we're kind of in this place.

As an alcoholic, I understand this urge to change the media.

But as an alcoholic, I also understand there's nothing I can do to change the media.

I just can't let this change me.

What should we be doing?

Is there a way to reach the media?

I've tried.

I don't think they...

I mean, they're not willing to listen.

No, no, they are not.

But the dirty little secret is free speech cuts both ways.

So the media have the right.

If

the Amazon owner wants to use the Washington Post to try to bring down President Trump, he's free to do that.

It's a free country.

We believe that.

But guess what?

The president has the right to say, hey, the Amazon owner is using the Washington Post to bring down my administration.

And this is where everybody thinks, seems to think, that free speech only applies to them.

And it applies the other side.

So when I hear the hand-wringing about, well, the administration is actually fighting back against media bias,

I think to myself, well, A, there have been a lot of Republicans over the last few decades that have been waiting for someone to do that.

Oh, yeah.

Maybe not precisely in these terms, but waiting for somebody to push back on a palpable bias in the press.

And two, he has the right to say what he says, just as you have the right to say what you say.

Yeah.

You know,

he's effective, and that's why people are supportive, because no one has been effective against the press.

No one has ever made them

squirm.

Nobody's ever held them accountable and been able to walk away from that fight.

And

he's done it.

And so I think there's a lot of Americans that are just like, look, man, I wouldn't have done it that way, but somebody's got to do something.

That's where you seem.

No, that's right.

And they seem insistent on validating him.

So

he tweets something.

Then, you know, when they go off the deep end, he can just turn around and say, see, I told you so.

And let's be honest here, too.

If you are a politician, there's a difference between a politician and a pundit.

I have learned that firsthand.

A politician is supposed to be, shall we say,

have an affinity towards an ideology, a bias, if you want.

The press is supposed to be above that.

So a politician can behave as a hack, as a biased individual,

as a cheerleader for his or her party.

Journalists are supposed to say, yes, I know they behave that way, but we're above that.

So if the president or anybody else levels a charge against the press,

They're not supposed to take the bait if you're a good journalist.

Are you concerned?

They're supposed to rise above it.

Are you concerned at all by, I mean, let me use the extreme.

We were talking today about how Alex Jones is being removed from,

he's not, he's still on YouTube, isn't he?

Still on YouTube for the moment, yeah.

Stitcher, Facebook, YouTube.

I mean, sorry, iTunes.

iTunes and recent, just in recent moments here, Spotify as well.

Okay.

So

I find him despicable.

I find his opinions despicable, unfounded,

and grotesque.

However, I don't like the idea of silencing people.

That only makes things worse.

How many, no, of course it does.

And how many times or how many years did someone as old as you and me, and I'm a little older than you, probably, that

seems as though I'm a little older than everyone.

But how many times did we watch Alan Dershowitz defend the most odious rights to free speech over our lifetime?

Yep.

Hundreds of times.

and time again.

And where is that now?

I don't know.

It's Voltaire redux.

I mean, you know, I will defend your right to say it, even though I disagree with it.

That seems to be a lost art.

I mean, now we get word that Twitter's

movement towards silencing bots is actually shadow banning a bunch of conservatives.

Yes.

I'm sitting here,

Congressman.

I have from my own collection of books, the Anarchist Cookbook.

This is something that tells you how to make poison gas, how to make TNT, how to kill people, how to torture people, how to

cause all kinds of disruption.

It was printed in 1972.

It has gone over and over and over again through the courts.

You have a right to print it.

The author even wanted it to stop being printed, but he didn't own the rights to it anymore.

So

it is still out on the market.

That is freedom of speech.

That is a country that I'm proud to live in that says, I hate this book and I hate the fact that somebody put it out, but I so appreciate the fact that something this offensive can be printed here.

We're not that country soon.

No, you're right.

And that's what I said in the op-ed.

Those of us old enough to remember the 60s understand that we're getting close.

close to that phenomenon, but the difference is there was the free speech Berkeley crowd in the 60s.

Yes.

The left has morphed into a much more tyrannical movement.

In the 1960s, when you had the Democratic Convention and you had the Watts riots and you had all of that, people didn't like it, but they said these people, especially people on the left, have the right to free speech.

It was the free speech movement coming out of the Bay Area.

Now that is gone.

If you are not on the right side of the spectrum, you don't have the right to speech.

They are saying this, Glenn.

I know, I know.

They're saying, look, if you hold these views, you don't, having that view, having that speech is harm, and we're not going to let you say it.

Talking to Congressman Jason Lewis.

Jason, before we let Leigh go,

you're running for re-election.

How's that looking for you?

You know, Minnesota 2 is sort of the microcosm of the country.

The president won my district by one point.

I was so darn popular.

I doubled his margin.

Wow.

Wow.

Congratulations.

1.7.

So as Minnesota 2 goes, the country goes.

It's a majority-maker seat.

And if we don't, I firmly believe, fellas, that if we don't keep Minnesota too,

we will lose the House.

And if we lose the House,

we will go backward in a way that would be dramatic.

Yeah, we're going, yes, big time, big time, especially now with the love of Democratic Socialist

and

the fervor to impeach.

Where can people get involved with

your campaign?

Thank you.

They can go to Jason4MN.

That's Jason for Minnesota abbreviation.

Just Jason4F-O-R-M-N.com and get involved.

And the DCCC has targeted us as one of the top, I believe, top five or maybe top two.

It's just a tough race.

And naturally, for those Democrats out there that hate money and politics, my opponent is taking in millions.

Congressman, thank you so much.

Thank you, gang.

You bet.

It seems to be the way it always is.

It does always go that way.

We don't like big money.

Let's get some big money in here.

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So, yesterday I

got on my wife's, what is it, a Peloton bike?

Oh, no.

Oh, good God.

Good God.

First of all,

stop with the clips on the shoes and everything else.

What a scam this whole thing is.

That's just to make you buy the shoes.

Just make it buy the shoes.

That's it.

Yeah, well, I'm afraid my feet are going to fly off.

My feet have never flown off any bike in my life.

It's possible you're not using it at the highest level.

I'm going to throw that out there that maybe well here's an idea then make it so I could use it at the lowest level and the highest level so you don't have to have the stupid clips what a ridiculous it's a scam the thing I love about that bike because we have we have one as well is it's like two thousand dollars for this bike that you buy and you know my wife had to have it And then what they do, the reason why it's a whatever it is, $2,000 bike is because it's got this giant screen on it.

And you can't watch TV on it.

You can't watch TV.

You got to watch their classes.

I don't want to watch their classes.

By the way, they charge you $34.95 a month to access.

It's incredible.

Wait, I'm paying.

You're paying monthly for that thing, too, after you pay the thousands of dollars.

It is a fantastic business.

It's a scam.

When I was riding that bike, I was just getting more and more pissed off at it.

I'm in capitalistic awe of that company.

Because, I mean, that is not a value proposition for anybody.

A membership to an actual club with live people nearby is like, what, $100 a month?

How long would it take for that to pay off?

And by the way, can I just ask a question?

And I know this dates me, but when the hell did,

when did he, when, when did riding a bike become spinning?

I mean, as of four minutes ago, I have no idea.

People say I'm going to a spinning class.

I didn't know.

You put plates on a stick or something.

I don't know what the hell you're doing.

I don't care.

I'm never going to go.

What a stunner you brought it to took things in the kitchen.

Right.

No.

You're legitimately that far away from gym culture.

I am that far away.

This is not a new development.

No, I know it's not a new development, but it's a stupid development.

Now that I know what spinning class is, that's stupid.

So you heard people say spinning classes.

I'm going to spinning class.

No, you're not.

You're going to go ride a bike.

You're going on an exercise bike.

That's what you're doing.

Spinning class.

You cannot charge $2,000 and $34.95 a month for an exercise bike.

You can for a spinning class.

That's so stupid.

I hate exercise.

It's the bane of my existence.

And believe me, I am working hard to be a good person so I can get up to heaven and I have a thing or two to say to God when we meet.

Most of it is about food and exercise.

I have to get somebody on from the NRA tomorrow.

Find out if this story is true.

Have you been reading the story about the NRA

hemorrhaging cash because of

New York and they may have to shut down their headquarters?

Can't believe that.

It's hard to believe.

I don't believe it at all.

I don't either.

I don't either.

It sounds to me like wishful thinking on the left.

Yeah, the membership is growing, right?

I mean, we've heard

non-stop reports of the membership growing over the years.

Well, they had to pay a $7 million fine, and then they lost their insurance, you know, for

defending your Second Amendment a right.

If somebody comes into your house and you have to shoot, and they had the insurance that would cover you.

What was the fine for?

For

selling an illegal NRA-branded member liability insurance policy to cover legal costs and self-defense.

So New York said you can't sell those.

You can't sell those, really?

Huh.

That seems, I don't know, a little crazy.

Anyway, so

we'll delve into that tomorrow and see if we can get some answers for you on that.

That's troubling.

Speaking of crazy, have you been following what's going on in South Africa?

Yes.

This is somewhat troubling, I would think.

You know, if you care about justice at all,

South Africa's ruling African National Congress has targeted 139 farms now that they're expropriating.

They're just taking them away from white people without compensation in the next couple of weeks.

And they say it's in line with section 25 of the country's constitution.

That's the one that Ruth Bader Ginsburg thought was such a great constitution that she would look to.

Oh my gosh, it is.

Remember that?

That's right.

South Africa was all about rights.

Jeez, I forgot about that clip.

It's all about human rights.

And so that's a great constitution.

She would look to.

That's why it's not being covered now.

Yeah.

Because it's all about human rights.

It's all about the destruction.

I'm telling you guys, I'm telling you, you have to learn about postmodernism because it explains everything, absolutely everything.

I meant to look it up this week because you keep mentioning it.

I don't know what the hell it is.

And so, and I forgot, but I'm going to do that this week.

You need to.

I mean, you know, maybe come in sometime this week and we can just talk about it.

Yeah.

Because

if you understand that, you understand why this is okay to people.

Why people who are on the very far left,

why they believe this would be okay.

Because you would say, I would say, hey, apartheid, we covered that and we should have covered that.

And it was really good when we cover people of any race being rounded up or killed or, you know, being squashed, right?

Right, right.

So it's just another race of people doing it to another race of people.

I don't care what race it is.

It's bad.

It's wrong.

Nope, not in this case, because of postmodernism.

Well, it's so bad there.

I mean,

they've already attacked

white farmers a lot and have maimed them and have killed them and have taken farms and they've got

burned them to death in the barns or in their houses.

Horrific stories, if you want to read about it, I don't know why you would, unless you just want to know what's going on in the world, but it's horrific.

Then they sent out this tweet

that said the biggest, this was from the African National Congress.

They tweeted out,

the biggest mistake we are making is to consult murderers.

White people are 9% of the population.

They own 79% of the land.

They never came and consulted us for the land.

If they want us to forgive them now, then let us share the land, the mineral resources.

Okay, so they essentially called all white people murderers,

because that's who they're talking about consulting.

And people went nuts on Twitter and they said, oh, we just tweeted out somebody

who was in the Congress who said that.

Okay, you didn't attribute it to anybody.

You didn't put any quotation marks on it.

You didn't put that you were retweeting it.

You know, it just came from the African National Congress.

And if anybody doesn't think this is just going to end into a massive race war and

slaughterhouse, a holocaust of white people,

look what happened in Portland.

We were just talking about this.

Have you really, have you read the story about what happened in Portland?

It's crazy.

Okay?

It is because of the mayor

just allowing this to happen.

Just condoning it.

You know what?

I don't like ICE, and so they're not going to get any help from me.

They took hostages in a federal building.

They took federal agents as hostages, and nothing happened.

It's amazing how little we heard of that, too.

We heard almost

almost nothing about that.

We heard about the mess they left behind.

Do you know why?

Do you know who's sponsoring them?

You know who's supporting them?

Who?

Democratic Socialists of America.

Of course, yeah.

Care.

I mean,

that's why.

That's why.

It's politically totally fine.

It's the same thing that is happening

on a bigger scale or more troubling scale in South Africa.

It's fine.

It's fine.

It's totally fine.

Take it.

Yeah, they did it.

White people did it.

White people are responsible for apartheid.

And now they haven't come into them.

Didn't we say that that was wrong?

Didn't we all agree that that was wrong?

Didn't Nelson Mandela say that was wrong?

Didn't he?

Do you remember

meeting with the guy that got Nelson Mandela out of jail, the white guy?

Yeah.

Do you remember what he said?

Do you remember what he said when Nelson Mandela met, what was his name?

It wasn't Cleric, was it?

The head of the white party in

South Africa.

I think it was Cleric.

Was it?

I think so.

And remember,

he said he was there, and he said, not a lot of people knew this at the time.

I don't know know if they do now.

He said, but I was there, and he said, Nelson Mandela came, and nobody knew what Nelson Mandela was going to do.

I mean, he could have started a race war, it could have been just massive bloodshed, could have been total revenge, right?

And Clarek could have done the same thing, could have just said, get the army, go.

And it was very tense.

And he said, Nelson Mandela walked into the room.

And remember, he said he got down on his knees in front of Clarek and said, brother, please,

I have no animosity towards you, have none towards me.

You have the chance right now to join me

and set things right and fix this through peace.

And he was on his knees.

It's an amazing story.

Yeah.

Amazing.

And Cleric did.

He joined him.

And they set out to reconciliation until this new president came in and said,

his quote is, reconciliation is over.

Time has passed for reconciliation.

Now it's revenge.

And we've mentioned several times how politically we couldn't be further from Nelson Mandela.

I mean, he was socialist, communist.

But as far as forgiveness

for his country

and for his fellow men,

he was

unbelievable.

Same thing with Martin Luther King.

Yeah.

I mean, Martin Luther King, towards the end, I think he was moving right towards socialism, communism.

Kind of seems like it.

Yeah, it seems like it.

I don't know for sure.

I mean, he's dead.

I don't know.

I know he says not.

Yeah.

But who knows?

It doesn't matter.

When it comes to how you behave in situations like that,

he's the man.

So is Nelson Mandela.

So is Gandhi.

I don't agree with Gandhi.

And this guy seems to be a bad dude.

He just wants revenge.

Oh, yeah, this guy's a really bad dude.

So what happens?

Well, unless we intervene, I think there's going to be serious bloodshed.

If I were a white farmer, I think I'd be getting out of that country.

And now.

I believe they can't.

That's what I've heard.

I've heard they can't.

They can't.

Yeah.

I mean, we might actually have to go talk to the Nazarene Fund and see.

I mean, I don't know.

I don't think he can get out.

I mean,

I'm not excited about getting entangled in other messes, but I mean, I don't know what they're going to do there.

They're just going to be slaughtered.

And if somebody doesn't help them.

I mean, that's what happened in Zimbabwe.

It's just going to be ethnic cleansing.

I mean, Zimbabwe's a really clear parallel here where it's exactly the same.

They took away the

land from the white farmers

and gave it to their black friends.

Who did?

Who did?

The dictator, Mugabe.

Yeah, who was a

socialist.

And he,

you know, the big problem there.

He gave it to his friends who were black.

They were not farmers.

They weren't farmers.

They didn't know how to farm.

And what happened?

The people starved.

Oh, it's kind of like what happened with Lenin, who was also a democratic socialist.

Also, what happened in Idiocracy, which is a movie.

So there's a lot of similarities here.

But I mean, making double standards for one race over another is always a bad idea.

It was a bad idea when white people did it to black people.

It was really bad.

And now that it's happening the other way way around is also really bad.

We're seeing it in smaller scales, even here in the United States.

We talked about this last week when the

reporter for the New York Times tweeted all these things about how she wanted all black, you know, she liked being cruel to old white people.

She wanted to cancel white people as a race and all of these terrible, blatantly racist things that the New York Times just stood by.

Right, and Twitter.

And Twitter.

I mean, she tweeted them.

They just don't care.

So I think it was Candace Owens, I believe, this weekend, who's a conservative-ish.

Right, like kind of a pro-Trump sort of commentator, came out and said,

just tweeted all the exact same things, but just changed the words to black.

Now, she herself is also black, and she got suspended from Twitter because of it.

My gosh.

Now, Twitter later on said, oh, that was a mistake.

Oops.

Oops.

But look how fast that happened.

Yeah, I know.

Look how fast that happened.

Now, I mean, I think you can make a great argument that you should be able to tweet pretty much everything you want except for directions.

We don't live there.

That's not where we live.

Yeah, no, I know.

It's true.

We don't live there at all.

But that's what I mean.

You don't give, you don't, you shouldn't give racial preferences.

That should never occur.

Let me ask you this, Pat.

This is the question of the day.

We started the show on this.

I think I have to stand with Alex Jones.

No, I can't say it that way.

Thank you.

Alex Jones.

Alex Jones.

I was thinking the same thing this morning.

Alex Jones taken now off of Stitcher, taken off iTunes, Facebook, Spotify, Apple, Spotify.

There's no more.

This boy's going to crumble.

I mean, exactly.

You know, he's got a lot of employees now.

He's built quite a nice business selling Male Vitality formula, and I don't think that it's going to last without this, without all these.

I mean, he has no reach.

He has no reach.

If he loses YouTube, he is completely fascinating.

And they even said it's not fake news, which you could make a point.

You could make a case that he does do a lot of fake stuff.

He does.

Absolutely.

I i mean it's it's all conspiracy crap that's been disproven time and time and time again first they come for all people can figure that out for themselves trust the american people to figure it out us noodle that out that's why i bring it up because we need to figure it out uh you can't just shut these people off right hate hate grows in the darkness yeah and if you feel like nobody you know what they're trying to silence him now that just makes people even more crazy absolutely don't don't this is wrong.

It's stupid.

You can't silence voices on either the left or the right.

Don't silence voices.

Well, sadly, you can if you're a private business, and that's the problem here.

But these are private businesses, and they can do that if they want to.

It's just a huge mistake.

Because it can and should do

a dissection here.

Like, yeah, absolutely, they can.

They shouldn't.

Of course they can.

They shouldn't, though.

I mean, I don't think you should, honestly, like, the easiest way to solve these things is just keep it open and let people choose what they want to see.

And if they choose the wrong thing, that's not your responsibility, Facebook.

It's not your responsibility to try to, you know, to make the country

a better political

discourse.

It's for people to find what they want.

Let me play Devil's Advocate, but you're a brand.

And is that what your brand stands for?

Because the brand of

everyone can speak here and say what they want.

Some of it's ugly.

Some of it's not.

Well, that's not a popular brand, unfortunately, in America today.

Thanks, Pat.

It is not a popular brand, unlike Pat Gray Unleashed.

Very popular.

This is burning up the.

Available now on iTunes and Stitcher and SoundCloud and all the places they're banning Alex Jones.

You can get Pat Gray Unleashed.

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Welcome back to the program.

Tonight at 5 o'clock only on the Blaze TV, we're going to be showing you corruption.

We're going to show you a little bit about the Manafort trial and show you why

it's not him.

It's not just him.

This is a very big business, and nobody's really talking about that.

We'll get into that at 5 o'clock today.

Also, some interesting news about the Supreme Court ruling that came out a little while ago about unions.

You had to force public sector union members to pay dues, even if they didn't want to.

That was reversed.

Obviously, completely unconstitutional.

However, it took till now to get it reversed.

And they're saying now unions are taking a beating because of this.

Pennsylvania stopped collecting agency fees from 24,000 state workers that totaled $6.6 million

in the last year.

One estimate, New York State will lose $112 million in agency fees from state and local workers.

On and on and on, on.

They have all the details.

I like this, though.

Mike Stone, a child support worker in Washington, had been trying to stop paying dues to Washington federal state

employees since the court's decision in June.

The union has denied his request.

The catch is that he signed a union card in March and didn't notice that

he had agreed to pay dues for the next year.

It's in very small print, and unfortunately, I missed that part, said Mr.

Stone 35.

He wants to recover more than $600 taken out each year.

What's interesting is if this is happening around the country, in these states where people just signed the cards and didn't realize it, that's all going to expire at the end of the year.

So they're going to take this huge hit now.

They're going to take another hit next year when people are able to actually make that choice and aren't locked into a previous decision they didn't know they made.

So it's interesting how, you know, all the unions are important and I really appreciate my union.

And as soon as you don't have to pay the fee, you're out.

You're out.

Yes.

It's kind of like that with taxes, isn't it?

No, taxes are patriotic.

It's wonderful.

Until you have to pay for them.

And then somebody gives you an out, you take it.

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