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1979.

1979 before the Islamic Revolution in Iran.

Exchange rate was 70 Iranian rials to one US dollar.

Today, that number has grown to 119,000 to 1 US dollar.

Iranian currency is in a dramatic death spiral.

It has dropped 18% in the past two days.

The annual inflation rate now is 221%.

This is good news.

Now, why is it happening?

Primarily due to the threat of U.S.

sanctions returning.

The first round set to begin on Monday, second round hitting Iran's oil industry, and that begins in November.

So Iran's economy is collapsing, and the sanctions haven't even officially begun yet.

Social unrest has been breaking out all over the country.

Iran actually knows how to live in peace.

Iran actually knows how to be free and democratic because they have a long history of it.

This is not like Iraq or any of the other places.

Now,

we have no idea what unsettling Iran will mean for the future.

So we should all

pray and hope for the best.

But

God only knows what will happen.

But food and water shortages are now pushing people to the brink.

Protesters have been heard yelling, death to Khomeini rather than death to America.

Now, this is what would have happened had the Obama administration not given Iran a lifeline with a nuke deal.

But they were at a breaking point, and for some reason, we decided that it was wise to infuse the world's largest state sponsor of terror with billions of dollars.

But let's pivot quickly to another failing state, Venezuela.

The IMF just announced that the inflation rate now in Venezuela will hit 1 million percent by the end of the year.

I won't even bother to tell you what the exchange rate is.

Let's just say it's bad.

Fortune magazine reported last May that the fake currency in the video game World of Warcraft is now more valuable than the bolivar.

That's how bad it is.

So why group Venezuela and Iran together?

Yes, they're both failing states, but what else do they have in common?

Well, something you're never going to hear the leftist and the mainstream media talk about.

You won't hear a Democrat talk about it.

Iran and Venezuela are both examples of a failed socialist experiment.

Sure, the revolution in Iran was anti-West, but it was also anti-capitalist.

Redistribution and socialist ideology were the co-partners with the Islamic ideology.

In Iran, the government owns and operates all aspects of the economy.

It is a fascistic state.

The state-owned and state-directed economy, it is true Islamic socialism.

And like Venezuela, socialism is killing that once great country.

It's sucking it dry.

Iran and Venezuela are two countries with vast amounts of oil reserves.

There is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be economic juggernauts, except for socialism.

When the state controls the economy, the people suffer.

How many examples do we need before

our children can finally see the lie that this new popular wave of American Democratic Socialist will only bring misery?

It doesn't matter how flashy the PR campaign is.

In the end, socialism kills.

It's Wednesday, August 1st.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

Hello, Stu.

Mr.

Beck, how are you?

Good.

How are you?

Pretty good.

I don't really understand why you started the show that way, though.

Well, with lies.

True.

With just lies.

Oh, socialism is really bad, huh?

Yeah, people coming together to help each other.

That's terrible.

What a terrible idea.

Right.

You haven't even, I mean, you keep making it sound like it's this impossible task to pay for socialism.

Well, and well, seeing that Medicare, according to the the Democrats, will cost $32 trillion in the first 10 years, that would mean that we would need to double the income tax to be able to pay for just that one program.

First of all, you're just making up numbers.

There's no such thing as trillion.

But beyond that.

I wish that were true.

It used to be kind of that way, right?

It was like trillion.

Trillion and then

we thought trillion and zillion was a made-up word when I was a kid.

Yeah.

And now

we may find out that zillion is actually a number.

If Bernie Sanders gets in control, holy crap, Zillion was real the whole time.

I hope Bajillion doesn't come next.

But we actually, the Manhattan Institute put together a rundown, a menu of options for you to pay for

it.

Now, who is the Manhattan Institute?

Yeah, like a conservative-leaning think tank.

But the idea here was to give you

either government or left-wing estimates, a menu of options

to put together the 10% of GDP you would need to actually pay for Medicare for all.

Now, again, we should point out that socialism is not just Medicare for all.

This is just one little program in this.

This is a swath of programs.

Because you also have to have

education for all, universal college education, and universal housing

is also on the list now,

as is guaranteed jobs for all.

So you can't find a job, don't worry, The government will provide one.

And they'll pay you for doing either nothing or

something very small.

Right, right.

Okay.

So what I want you to do here, Glenn, I'm going to give you options, and you have to select ones you'll approve.

Now, of course, Glenn Beck will not approve any of these options likely.

They all obviously are increases in some sort of tax or fee or something because we're trying to get the money back for this 10%.

So you need to put yourself in the mind of what's reasonable here.

Not you evil libertarian jerk who doesn't want to help anybody.

But say, yeah, what would you say?

So if I'm,

if I had a gun to my head and and there was absolutely no choice of not doing this,

what would I choose as the best route?

Yeah, I would say like, you know, what can you put up with?

Okay.

None of it.

You can't.

But like think of this as like, okay, we're a left-wing society here.

Like rational options here.

Sure.

Okay.

We're on MSNBC and we are proud of that.

Which ones would would you

believe?

All right, this is a completely different mindset.

I wasn't prepared for this, but I think I can do it.

Okay, all right, good.

How about tax?

Now, these are all policies you've heard before thrown around.

Tax-carried interest as ordinary income.

You willing to do that?

Tax-carried interest.

As ordinary income.

So in other words,

interest

on banks and whatever else I have?

Well, yeah, carried interest is a little, yeah.

But I mean,

this is something that evil rich people take advantage of all the time I mean you got to be able to do that that's the easiest one okay you'll do that one how about ending oil and gas tax breaks

come on well then you got to do that step one towards Venezuela but I got you got to do that okay yeah yeah sure sure sure yeah yeah yeah how about MSNBC did you know that Warren Buffett's secretary pays $3,000

true

okay it is mixing apples and oranges it is but again you don't sound like someone who's on MSNBC Okay, so

that is an outrage.

Okay.

How about a 30% minimum buffet tax for millionaires?

I mean, come on.

These are millionaires.

They certainly can pay a little more for universal health care for everybody.

It's a third tax.

Can I ask that question?

Can I ask the question?

But they don't get paid that way.

So a 30% income tax when you don't get an income is zero.

Well, no, it would be your 30, you know,

there's taxes that you, you're right, you get the money from different investments and things like that.

We would make sure

capital gains.

The money that comes in, you pay minimum.

So, what's the money?

So, what happens to the capital gains tax?

You're going to pay 30% on that.

Just come on.

That's an easy one.

This is crazy.

Okay, sure.

Come on.

Sure, okay.

Why not?

How about a bank tax?

Rachel Maddow on in just a few minutes.

I love that.

How about a bank tax on large financial institutions?

These are big banks.

They don't need this money.

It's a bank tax.

You can go along with that one, I think.

We'll get you there.

How about this?

Now, this is a minor thing.

You probably wouldn't even notice that.

I don't even know why I'm bothering asking, but a carbon tax of $25 per metric ton.

That's craziness.

Also, you don't rebate any household that is hit with it.

So I just make sure there's no rebates.

This is a punitive tax that goes on everybody.

$25 per metric ton, no big deal.

You're fine with that.

No, how much would that mean for the average person?

Well, I mean,

and carbon tax, what have you replaced it with?

What are you replacing the energy with?

I'm fine getting off of

carbon emissions as the minute we have something to replace it with.

What are we like?

40?

Let's see.

40, let's say 40 metric tons.

The average person?

You know, it's not a big deal.

I can tell you that.

I mean, we're talking about what, $1,000.

So an extra $1,000 a year.

$1,000 a year.

No big deal.

Average person.

Yeah, I mean, but if you have a smaller house and you don't have as much money, it'd probably be less.

And for evil, rich people like you, it'll even be more.

All right, okay.

So that one's no big deal.

You're fine with that, right?

Oh, of course I am.

How about eliminating mortgage interest, charitable, and salt deductions?

That is insane.

Well, I'm on MSNBC, so I'm for it.

Are you willing to go that far?

I want to make sure.

Are you asking me or are you asking the guy I'm supposed to be on MSNBC?

Put yourself in the mindset of, let's say we're going to try to pay for this.

What's reasonable to pay for this?

None of that.

None of that.

Because it would collapse the economy.

None of that.

Think about these deductions.

Salt is the one for state income tax.

So that's, okay, that's a minor thing.

I know it's not.

I'm just saying that one.

Well, come on.

Charitable interest.

So you would no longer be able to deduct your charitable donations.

And you would not be able to eliminate your mortgage interest.

No.

Because I, because that one, all right, so that one you're saying no on.

How about this?

What if we tax dividends and long-term capital gains as ordinary income?

No, that would be disastrous for the growth of any kind of industry.

That would be a giant jobs killer.

Okay, you're off on that one.

How about repealing the Trump tax cuts that we just passed?

You mean the one that's a spring on the economy?

No.

Okay, no.

All right.

Eliminate the

FICA cap.

So 15.3% payroll tax on all wages.

No.

Oh, geez.

How about repealing the earnings?

Wait, wait, wait.

You're getting this from me.

If I am buddy, but if I was over at, you know, the, what's the couple and the Joe and Mika?

If I was over having, you know, some sort of Chardonnay at their house last night, I'm probably for all those things.

But there's some level where it gets completely insane, right?

Like where it's, it's like we can all say, okay, well, I want to,

it's the, the minimum wage is $7.25, right?

We should raise it to $12 or $15.

And the Republican says, well, why not raise it to $1,000?

There's some point where a normal person who thinks universal health care is a good idea, right, is going to stop with these proposals.

Okay, so let me go back to where I just started saying no and look at it as an average, uninformed

dolt that doesn't pay any attention to anything that is just convinced that

the rich are evil and they have no idea how business works.

Okay, eliminate mortgage interest, charitable, and salt deductions.

I think the average person would say no to that.

I think you're right.

Tax dividends and long-term capital gains as ordinary income.

They're going to say yes to that because they don't realize that's their 401k.

Repeal the entire 2017 tax law.

I

don't know.

You could probably make a case.

Let's say no on that one.

Okay.

Eliminate the FICA cap, 15.3% payroll tax.

Everybody will say yes to that.

Because it's evil rich people.

Yep.

Repeal the earned income tax and child credit.

No way they're saying yes to that.

Raise corporate tax rate by 20 percentage points.

What?

Yeah, I think you could make the case if the because it sounds bad.

It's a corporation.

What do you think?

You can make that case.

Okay.

I mean, just to the Dolts, to the unthinking, you know, America.

Double the 35 and 37% tax brackets to 70 and 74%.

We'll make that happen.

You think people would go along with that?

I absolutely do.

74%.

I absolutely do.

Raise income tax.

They bought into you could keep your doctor if you liked your doctor.

It's true.

Raise income tax rates across the board by 10 percentage points.

No.

No, that hits minimum.

It will not have to.

Impose a 20% value-added tax like a national sales tax.

No.

They're not going to accept that.

Raise the payroll tax by 10 percentage points with no wage limit.

No.

Cut defense budget to European levels.

Yes.

You think that really you think the average person goes along with that?

I think

I don't think they would go along with that.

But, you know.

Okay.

Let's say no, because I think if this, if for this to actually happen, the world has to be in much worse condition.

And when it does, you're going to want that military.

So I'm going to say no to that.

All right.

Now, you needed to get to

10% of GDP.

And I'm adding it up now as we speak.

Oh, boy.

Hang on.

I'm going to take a break.

This is going to be ugly.

I have a feeling this is going to be very, very ugly.

We'll get back to that here in a second.

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Okay, so we're going to talk about 3D printing of guns.

My eyes are going to bleed on this one.

But we want to talk about 3D printed guns.

We're talking about socialism now and the idea that America would be better off with a universal health care package.

I cannot believe that I'm having to have this conversation after I fought for so long saying this is what they were going to do.

And everybody said, no, you were there with me.

I mean, you saw it coming too, but now we have to actually fight this.

So how do we fight it?

We have to fight it with facts and reason and hope that it wins.

But that doesn't usually work out.

Let's try the numbers.

So Stu just gave me a list.

Now, who'd you get this list from?

The Manhattan Institute put it together.

However, all of the sources are either government source specifically or a liberal source.

Okay.

So we didn't want to take any like conservative estimates that would say it wouldn't raise that much money because we're trying to get to 10% of GDP.

That's what they say we will need.

Yep.

Okay.

And so you gave me a a menu and read off the things that I said,

okay, you could probably convince the American people to do.

Okay, tax-carried interest as ordinary income.

Yes.

And oil and gas tax breaks.

Yes.

30% minimum buffet tax for millionaires.

Yes.

Impose the bank tax on large financial institutions.

Carbon tax of $25 per metric ton, which, you know, is probably $1,000 per household, but that depends on how much you use.

Yeah, that one's questionable if you could get that one through.

Yeah, because I think the average person would have a problem with it.

But still, it feels good, at least from the left.

Tax dividends and long-term capital gains as ordinary income.

Eliminate the FICA cap, 15.3% payroll tax on all wages.

Raise the corporate tax rate by 20 percentage points.

I said no to that one, didn't I?

No, you said yes to that one.

You don't want to take that one out?

All taxes, everyone.

Corporate tax rate.

Or corporate tax rate.

Yes, yes, yes.

And double the 35 and 37 percent tax rates

for the rich people to 70 and 74%.

You passed all of those things.

Yeah.

Okay.

You need to get your business.

I don't.

Just tuning in.

I don't agree with any of those.

I'm just saying I think you could, in a worst-case scenario, con enough people into it and say, yes, but it's going to be good for the collective.

What's the least offensive way to get there?

We're trying to get to this wonderful socialist utopia.

That's all we need.

All we need is 10% of GDP.

Now, we all know, of course, it would be more than that, but we're not even going to discuss that.

We're just going to take the 10% GDP number as given.

All the things I just described put together gets you to 4.36% of GDP.

Oh, my gosh.

So you're not even halfway there to pay for that.

Now, again, we're at 74% tax rates.

We're up to 40%.

We're up 20 points, percentage points in corporate rate.

We've eliminated all the caps and the licensees.

We're by far the most heavily taxed

country in the world.

Now, that's interesting, too, because and there's crossover here as well, because

we did not eliminate the entire tax law.

If you want to do that, you were borderline on that one.

That would get you to 5.03.

I don't think you'd do that.

If you cut defense spending to European levels,

you get to 6.03.

But you're still only...

You have to cut to get to 10%.

You got to pass

either

probably the national sales tax and repeal the child credit credit and earned income tax credit might get you there.

It's almost impossible.

This is the Glenn Beck program.

Welcome to the program.

I'm really glad that you are here today.

Boy, do we have a lot to say on the 3D printing of guns.

I watched CNN yesterday for about 10 minutes.

Man, I can't even say that.

It was probably about 35 minutes.

And mainly because I couldn't find the remote.

And so I just, I couldn't change the damn channel.

But I'm sitting there and I'm having lunch yesterday and

I'm watching it.

And this is an honest question.

This is an honest question.

Does CNN report news anymore?

Because if you watch them, I mean, it was one story after another, after another, after another.

And all it was was

speculation

and then opinion about the speculation.

We think

this is what's going on.

We think this is who's doing what.

And then opinions about that and what it might mean if it's true.

Yeah, I mean, there are

particularly certain shows that

really go over the line on this on that network.

There's some that are okay, but there's a lot of them that are really just, it's just constant.

Like, you know, I used this example yesterday, but it's like they had a speech of Trump, and he's just doing a normal campaign speech, and they're just covering it.

And the bottom of

the screen, you know, a little lower third banner there, says Trump talks amid Russian allegations.

And then they listed like three or four of the, you know, potential scandals that have been swirling around the news.

It's like, what do you mean amid?

He wasn't talking about any of those topics.

He was speaking at the same time we're worried about them.

Is that the point you're making?

I mean, you also could have said Donald Trump speaks amid a great economy with a very low unemployment rate and a new Supreme Court justice about to be nominated.

You could have done any of those things.

Instead, you pick, hey, let's pick the three or four worst things we can think of and just put he's speaking at the same time these things are being considered.

I mean, that is just, that is a, that's the sort of bias that's very implicit there.

Yesterday, I started making a list of people that I want to talk to that

I think

could add some intelligence to conversation.

And I don't care who they are.

I just I want to talk to people who are honestly seeking truth.

I don't care.

No politicians are involved.

I don't care

where you're at as long as you agree with the Bill of Rights that we should not be shut down for our opinion.

That nobody should be silenced.

You know what I mean?

And you're honestly seeking truth.

And you can have an honest conversation where honest questions are asked that might change your mind.

Talk to somebody and ask them questions about their point of view and their perspective that might change your mind, or they might change their mind because of something you're saying to them.

That's the kind of conversation I want to have.

So I started making a list.

I ran out of people at 10.

10.

I mean,

what?

how,

what do you do?

Who are those people that you think that are either, and I want to be really careful because there is a difference between leftists

who are just, you know, the activists on either side, the people that just will go and say anything and they will never look at themselves in the mirror because they have an agenda.

Who do you see

that isn't like that?

I mean, somebody suggested to me, Glenn, you really need to talk to the CEO of Twitter.

Okay, well, hey, I'd like to, but is he like that?

Is he a guy who is open-minded?

I don't know.

Is he a guy open-minded enough to be able to say, wait a minute, let me say this.

Let me show you how people view what you're doing.

And him go,

huh?

Now, you know what?

I didn't think of it that way.

I've never thought of it that way because I'm surrounded by leftists.

I don't think that moment would be.

No, I don't think so.

But I mean,

somebody,

I don't want to, why waste our time with people whose minds are already made up?

Why?

Well, I mean, if they have something to add to your perspective.

Yeah, yeah.

Let me say, let me rephrase that.

Whose minds are already made up and there's no chance for anything surprising to happen in either direction.

Right.

And they just, their minds are made up, and you are wrong, and they are right.

We'll use a CNN example from today.

They brought on a person who was

in the crowd of the Las Vegas shooting, and then they brought on a Second Amendment advocate talking about the 3D printed guns.

And so what happened, as you would expect, was an argument and name-calling.

An an argument in which the Las Vegas shooting victim appealed to everyone's emotions because he was, of course, in the middle of a terrible tragedy, one of the worst tragedies, at least as far as the worst as far as guns go.

And then, you know,

the Second Amendment advocate, which I don't know who, I'm not sure who she was, was trying to explain the difference between rights and feelings.

And, you know, There are, you know, we've seen certainly with Dana Lash, who's had real success as going on there in those tough circumstances to argue,

it's hard.

These are hard moments and they're hard decisions to make for a society.

They act as if they're so easy.

These are difficult decisions.

Our decision was made in 1791.

So, you know, it was a long time ago that one was made, but still, these are tough issues.

You have to have someone who really knows what they're doing and is really balanced and understands these things going on.

You know, one person's laughing at the other.

Then, you know,

the shooting victim

makes some point that makes no sense as far as the Constitution, as you might expect.

Again, he's a guy

talking about emotion who's involved in a shooting, and she laughs at it.

And then he says, How dare you laugh at me?

I was in a shooting.

Bullets were coming down, and I was dodging them, and you're laughing at me.

How could that possibly advance anyone's understanding of this issue in any way?

That conversation.

It's a giant zilch.

And you have, of course, the host who is every time the Second Amendment advocate says anything that

veers at all into something that doesn't make them look bad, she just interrupts them and then they go back to the other person.

And it's just like,

now, of course, I obviously agree with the Second Amendment advocate on these issues, so I'm seeing it in that fashion.

But the bottom line is there was zero chance of something positive coming out of that conversation.

So I'm zero.

I am wondering if there is a chance that anything positive can happen.

For instance, last yesterday,

I started tweeting about the 3D gun thing.

And I said,

watching CNN explain 3D guns is hysterical.

It's like talking to my grandfather about hip-hop.

I said, we need to ban these.

Sure, as soon as we ban the internet, the entire world is about to change and the media and D.C.

still think it's 1959.

Well, that was just crazy talk.

I got hammered for that.

So somebody said, Iran, China, and Russia have no problem banning a lot of stuff on the internet.

Are you making my point?

Or I don't know.

I said, okay, let's be more like Russia and China and Iran.

First, you have a right to smith your own gun.

That's long-standing.

You can make your own gun.

Yeah, without serial numbers,

you can make build out of metal and build them at your home.

Absolutely legal to do.

Two, freedom of speech and blueprints.

That was just settled, but these blueprints have been, you know, with the patent office since, you know, 1900.

You can go get those.

You just have to go to a patent office.

Okay.

Three, the internet and 3D printers.

Which one do you want to ban?

So then I get, oh, while we're at it, Glenn, why don't we allow sex on the streets and kill anyone who upsets us?

It's all about freedom, right?

And I wrote, can anybody engage in an actual debate?

Can anybody actually say something besides name-calling?

So, one person wrote back: Too much freedom is anarchy, Glenn.

Okay, okay, I'll take that as the beginning of the

debate.

You're taking that as the beginning of a debate.

That was as good as it got.

And I said, Good, first honest statement.

Now,

we have a Bill of Rights, but just assume we didn't.

Where is the line of too much freedom?

Holy cow.

Uh,

well, your freedom ends where my fist,

when your fist meets my nose.

We have the Bill of Rights, which is part of the Constitution.

You want me to answer that in a tweet?

Why not just have me explain thermodynamic dynamics?

Well, no, I think.

No, but you want to block speech.

Yeah.

Okay.

Let's see.

That's up to the citizenry to decide, Glenn.

The easy answer is it's up to the Supreme Court.

No,

it's not up to the Supreme Court.

It isn't up to the Supreme Court, or we still

would have slavery.

If it were up to the Supreme Court,

we would still have Jim Crow laws.

It's so frustrating.

Like in this CNN debate, I was just talking about

the guy who was in the shooting says, well, you could bring up the First Amendment all you want.

This is the law.

There's a federal law, and the First Amendment does not protect you against a federal law.

There's no federal law.

First of all, if there's anything the Constitution does, it is protects you against the government making federal laws that violate the Constitution.

It's the whole purpose of the Constitution.

It's exactly what it does.

It is the most fundamental thing it does.

It is like the only reason the document exists is to make sure the federal government does not pass laws that violate it.

Let me go a step further.

It is the point in the Declaration of Independence.

Governments are established among men to protect these rights.

That's the only reason why we have a government.

Okay.

What's the purpose of that, right?

I mean, again, like what the purpose is, I guess, is to make me and you react like we just did.

So we have some emotional, angry reaction about nonsensical points that don't do anything.

And I don't know what we've done this a hundred times.

Okay, so here's here's what we have to do.

I just want to play just the response.

And I'm going to get into this later.

And we're also trying to get a hold of Cody Wilson, but he's like, if I answer the phone, man, it'll be that I'm awake and so I'll talk.

If not, I'm like, can you put it on your calendar?

He's the guy who does the 3D printing gun company, by the way.

We've had him on before a few times.

And we've had him on before and didn't really kind of, we didn't know how to feel about him.

Didn't really kind of like him the first but that was like five or six years ago.

He's 25 years old and changing the world.

Now he's been beaten up a little bit and he's over 30 and he's he's much cooler.

He's much cooler.

But anyway, he's the guy who is the 3D.

It's all started because of him.

So we're going to hopefully talk to him later on in the program.

And

I have some things to share with you, but

let's just let Mike Lee

summarize this.

Yesterday, they were trying to pass Senate Bill 533.

And

if this is not up to the president, if you want to ban

3D gun printing, and that's not what they're even talking about, they're saying that they want to make it illegal to publish the blueprints of guns, which are available at the patent office.

But if you publish them, if you put them online, that will be illegal.

Okay?

So that's Senate Bill 533.

Here is, as they're trying to pass it, Mike Lee stands up.

He's like, I've had this for about 10 minutes, so can I just chime in here just quickly before we do something?

Great moment.

Thank God, Mike Lee is there.

Thank God.

Listen to this.

Mr.

President, reserving the right to object, I first saw this legislation literally moments ago.

therefore haven't had adequate time to review it.

But I will say this.

Any legislation that comes forth from this body that begins with the following words will attract my attention and should attract the attention of anyone who's concerned about our First Amendment and other constitutional rights.

It begins with the words, it shall be unlawful for any person to intentionally publish.

That ought to be concerning to us, to each and every one of us, Democrats and Republicans alike.

On that basis, I object.

Wow.

Americans have got to know there is a much much bigger debate than what does the NRA say?

Because Donald Trump's in the pocket.

They are trying to pass a law.

I don't care what it says after.

It would be unlawful for anyone to publish.

Follow that with anything.

And it is against our Constitution.

Now, we're also going to explain why this is just hyperbole.

Why this all this is just, this is the latest attack on Donald Trump and the NRA.

This is ridiculous to have this debate, but we're having it, so we have to be able to defend it.

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we've got a we've got a really great show lined up for you uh and it happens to be today don't miss a second of it more in just a moment after the news in your local stations

glenn back you know we always

we we all hear all the bad news all the time we hear the bad news let me get let me let me tell you a story about a tangle of red hair and frustration A woman named April Malloy,

she had found herself scraping through life.

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She was a single mother

of nine,

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She knew she had to go out and earn money.

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And she didn't want her kids to see their mother fallen, broken,

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all you usually need is just one break.

And sometimes it takes a long time.

April got hers when a woman answered her ad and had April remodel her bathroom.

The woman's bathroom floors had caved in.

And so April comes in, she bids on it, and she gets the bid.

Now, it's easy to imagine that April saw herself in all of that brokenness, you know,

walking into a home like that,

seeing that everything had collapsed.

But slowly and steadily, she

built that bathroom, and then she got another bid, and then another bid, and then another bid, and she began working bids for Red Lobster.

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to inspire and embolden women who find themselves in the same hopeless situation she found herself.

Somebody who went from living in the back seat of their car, grew up in foster care, had screwed their life up one way or another,

and now is a CEO of their own successful company.

Those are the stories that we need to start hearing again, because those stories exist,

and those stories do not exist in most other countries

because someone's always telling you that you can't.

It's Wednesday, August 1st.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

A couple of things going on.

We need to discuss

the craziness that is going on now in Washington about the 3D printed gun.

It's absolutely insane.

And we need to have a rational conversation about that.

And we'll do that coming up in just a second.

Also,

a couple of years ago, Glenn, you'll remember this, Rich Weinstein.

He's an investment advisor, financial planner, and a listener to the show.

And he got in touch with us about something he found when he decided to do some of his own research.

And what he found wound up being introduced into evidence into a Supreme Court trial.

Oh, this is the Gruber thing.

Yeah, King versus Burwell, which almost overturned Obamacare.

It's a crazy story.

If you remember, you probably heard the clip.

You might not have known it came from a listener of the show, but here it is from, I think it was 2014.

You have it, Sarah.

Okay, I asked Mike to pull a clip of Jonathan Gruber talking about healthcare.

He's hoping to have that.

It's just, you can't do it politically.

You just literally cannot do it.

Okay, transparent financing, and let's talk about transparent financing, all the transparent spending.

I mean,

this bill was written in a tortured way to make sure CBO did not score the mandate as taxes.

If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies.

So it's written to do that.

In terms of risk-rated subsidies, if you had a law which said healthy people are going to pay in, it made explicit the healthy people pay and sick people get money, it would not have passed.

Just like the people, transparency, lack of transparency is a huge political advantage.

And basically, you know, call it the stupidity American voter or whatever.

But basically, that was really, really critical to getting the thing to pass.

And, you know, it's the second best argument.

Look, I wish Mark was right.

We could make it all transparent, but I'd rather have this law than not.

So it's kind of like the true story.

Here was the whole point of this:

the ends justify the means.

They lied, they twisted the truth, and they wrote it in such a way that it would pass, but it was an absolute lie.

Now,

what's amazing is that this was found by a listener of ours who just likes to go hunting online and dig up stuff.

And it was used in the Supreme Court case.

Crazy.

Rich Rich is with us now and he's been diving into the background of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and how this phenomenon sort of occurred.

Rich, are you there?

Yes, I am.

Hey, guys.

Hey, great to talk to you.

Rich, it's interesting.

You said you posted this and you go through kind of a long

the diagram here of what's happened is really interesting, but it starts with the 28-year-old phenomen, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

Right.

You know, she's been getting beaten up in the media because she doesn't seem to have any answers to any questions.

And I didn't think, I really didn't want to beat her up anymore.

My question to myself was: how did she get to this spot without knowing any policy?

So that was my question to myself.

And I didn't think anybody was really looking in that direction.

You know, hang on just a second.

I mean, I hate to point out, but you could say that the Republicans found somebody who got to a spot that didn't know much about policy either.

Well, occasionally happens.

We can talk about that another day.

Okay, all right, okay, all right.

So you started looking into her, and what'd you find, Rich?

Well, what I did was I first went to her campaign website, and

I kind of wanted to see what her positions were before anybody was looking, kind of like Jonathan Gruber.

What was he saying before anybody knew?

to look at what he was saying.

And, you know, he was boarding stuff out when he thought nobody was looking.

Right.

So I thought the same thing about her.

So I went to her campaign website and I went back in time.

I used a Wayback Machine.

And what I found was her campaign website, as little as a year ago, was not her campaign website.

It belonged to a group called Brand New Congress, which I had never heard of before in my life.

And what I did was I just kept following the bouncing ball.

So I put Brand New Congress in Google, and I come up with this video of Rachel Maddow talking to the executive director of Brand New Congress.

His name was, this is going to be a tough one, Sikkat Chuck.

I can't say his name.

I'm sorry.

Chakrabarty?

That's it.

Thank you very much.

American citizen or do you know anything about him?

No.

To tell you the truth, I put about a year on and off in the grouper.

I put almost five hours into this.

I found all this in less than five hours.

All right.

So I'm in the middle of a deep dive, but let me tell you at least where I got to, which is kind of interesting.

So I watched Matt Al interview this executive director from Brand New Congress.

And she does a great job of explaining what this brand new Congress organization is.

They're trying to flood the playing field with progressives.

They're trying to flood the playing field with Bernie Sanders carbon copies.

So what they're looking for are people that

are advocates.

for Bernie Sanders policy statements, policy positions.

That's the qualification.

So he goes on.

So they talk.

It's an interesting video.

And so, of course,

I Google his name, and he, by coincidence, became the executive director of an organization called Justice Democrats.

What the heck is that?

Well, I didn't know.

So I start looking into Justice Democrats.

And lo and behold, Justice Democrats was founded by a gentleman named Jank Uger.

Yeah.

Yeah, what's the name of that thing?

Young Turks.

Young Turks.

This guy's crazy.

That's exactly right.

So that's where it gets a little weird because Jenk Uger is completely tied up in all of this.

But as I'm looking into him a little bit more, I find out that he got kicked out of his own organization, Justice Democrats, because,

well, somebody did a deep dive on him and found out in kind of the Joy Reed fashion that he is a complete sexist.

And he posted some really terrible stuff online.

So he got forced out of Justice Democrats.

But if you keep following the bouncing ball, he is obviously, you said, part of the Young Turks.

Now, this is where it gets really interesting because the Young Turks are part of something called the Medium Media Consortium, which is Soros funded.

So the whole thing goes right to George Soros.

And I'm not really like a big Soros conspiracy guy.

You know, I don't have, I've seen your whiteboard from years ago.

I don't have that, but it led right there.

So the other thing that's really interesting is that Chank Uger is extraordinarily wealthy.

He took venture capital money.

He's worth like 20 million bucks now.

So if you think about all the Bernie Sanders policy,

the redistribution of wealth and all that, it always seems that the guys at the top are extraordinarily wealthy.

I don't know how that happens.

I don't know how that happens, but this is a great case where Alexandria Casia-Cortez is basically a Bernie Sanders carbon copy.

And this is going to be a little derogatory, but the reason why I say carbon copy is not everybody even remembers what a carbon copy is, but if you push down real hard, the first page you print on is pretty clear, and then every page underneath gets a little dimmer.

You see where I'm going there?

Yes, yes.

You can see where she why she doesn't understand the policy.

Well, I don't understand this, honestly, Richard, because she is

she's I think she's Ivy League educated.

She has a master's in Fi U.

I thought you went to BU.

Didn't you go to BU?

Okay.

I think BU.

It's a really good question.

It's still a good college.

She has, I think, a master's in foreign policy or foreign relations and also one in economics, I think.

Yeah.

And she doesn't seem to have an answer on anything foreign policy or economics.

Well, actually, some of her foreign policy statements are really incredible.

And I actually did a Google search on her foreign policy comments.

I think she's been really anti-Israel.

So all I did was did a Google search, took a picture of it, and put it online.

And what's interesting is if you kind of I haven't completed my deep dive, but getting back to brand new Congress, they have a bunch of board members.

And the first guy who's a board member who's listed, his name is Patrick Taylor.

Patrick without a K Taylor.

And this guy is really anti-Israel.

And some of the stuff he's, he's, he likes to tweet.

Like, Jenk likes to, you know, be sexist online and post.

This guy is really, really anti-Israel.

And he wants to go ahead and basically, let me see if I can find what he posts online.

I'll just take me a second.

But some of the stuff he posted is

really anti-Israel.

And it seems like that's a running theme in this group also.

I don't know why.

Oh, dude, it's Marxism.

Marxism is always, always hand in hand with anti-Semitism.

Always, without exception.

Right.

So

here's what he posted.

Patrick Taylor.

It's a time to create a serious list of companies and individuals and boycott them endlessly until Palestinians have their own state and autonomy.

Maybe create an app to make it most efficient and then make it more real for Israel.

You know anyone that could do that?

At Glenn Greenwald.

So that is,

yeah, I mean, there's a whole strand of, you know, to research also.

But they are, I don't understand, well, you explain it, but to me, there's a whole lot going on here, and there's a whole lot going on behind the scenes.

And Alexandria Acasio-Cortez, she's, I mean, if I had to call her a pawn in a bigger game of chess, I think that's what it is.

And there's a mess of her.

This brand new Congress wants to flood the market with 400 Kennedys.

What's really amazing to me, Richard, is that

you haven't found anything necessarily nefarious.

What you found is that big, huge money

goes out and tries to find people that will run and do the bidding of socialists and that can get elected.

And

there is no such thing as a grassroots campaign.

You know, the story is she went out and she knocked on doors, et cetera, et cetera, which I believe.

I believe she did.

She worked hard for it, but she also has apparently funding and support from

very leftist organizations, including George Soros.

So it's, you know, they always talked about AstroTurf.

Well,

this is AstroTurf.

This is AstroTurf.

One of my bullet points that I jotted down for today is something I want to follow up on.

I haven't been able to follow the money yet.

And

what I did find, and again, this is something I haven't even taken a deep dive on, is I found where Justice Democrats sent $600,000.

They did an FEC filing.

They sent $600,000 to brand new Congress recently.

But if you go to brand new Congress's FEC filing, they don't show receiving it.

So there's something really weird going on with the money.

They're really good at

bundling small donations and putting it in a pack here and sending it here.

That's going to be a a huge flowchart if I could ever figure it out.

Richard, thank you very much.

Keep it up.

And we appreciate all the hard work that you do.

And I appreciate brains that work like yours, that you're just curious and you just start to burrow in.

Thank you so much, Richard.

You're welcome.

You bet.

He's at at PhillyRich1.

PhillyRich1 on Twitter.

If you want to follow his ongoing look into this, that's pretty interesting.

Yeah, help out.

I mean, we'll try to further it as well.

I mean, it's an interesting thing because these groups are going to pop up and try to push this Bernie Sanders thing forward.

Well, we know that, I mean, you know, George Soros, I'm all-American.

No, you're not.

No, you're not.

You're funding socialist ideas, and the socialism that Casio-Cortez is pushing now is absolute poison for our republic.

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So that's an interesting thing that he brought up.

There's nothing nefarious about

what's happening,

and it's not shocking.

However,

it's always

under wraps.

You know what it is, is that

the power, the same power,

remember, George Soros and Hillary Clinton,

it's the same.

They started Media Matters together.

So

now Soros is saying, let's go find all these socialists.

and let's go fund them.

It's the same people.

Yeah, and it's interesting how the resources are being applied, I think, to follow that.

It feels to me very similar to the Tea Party, obviously.

How do you mean?

Totally different ideologically, right?

But if you think of the Tea Party, it was like you had Republicans who've kind of let us down for many, many years, and the Tea Party comes out and says, no, we want someone really conservative.

We want someone who's not going to care.

We want someone who's going to go all the way with their values.

You know, I'm sick of these rhinos, right?

Yes.

It's the same similar sort of thing.

They're saying, you know, look, we're socialists and we're tired of waiting around for your progressive movement.

We're tired of it.

Yeah, it's time to be a socialist.

This is something you predicted a while ago that they're going to unmask and just say they're socialists, which is obviously happening now.

But it's interesting to see the money now flow from people like Soros, who Soros wants this to happen no matter how it happens, right?

He wants progressivism to keep going and no matter how it keeps going.

But he's looking now at what's the opportunity.

His money goes to the places where the best opportunity is.

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It'll be interesting to see because, you know, the Tea Party had real believers at the beginning.

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You know, the party started to go into it and they're like, yeah, that's me too.

And they weren't.

No.

It'll be interesting to see how long actual socialists remain.

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Well, they're now saying that Apple

may become the first trillion-dollar company in history.

Think of that.

Think of that.

It's incredible.

I mean, and it's amazing to see how

car companies, car companies,

that everybody bought cars.

I know, but this is more central to people's lives, especially with Uber and things like that now.

A lot of people don't have cars, and they do have phones.

It's incredible, though.

You think of the last five years, Amazon and Apple both had really, really good runs, right?

They've all become part of our lives maybe more than we want them to be but you know amazon is up 193 in the last five years that is a really freaking good run for a company apple is up 491 percent

why four okay

is amazon global

yeah

right and it's you know i mean is it everywhere like apple is everywhere apple is everywhere so you have people buying stuff every day and you're on iTunes and everything every single day.

Do they have the market?

Does Amazon have the market penetration?

I mean, it's still a gigantic company, right?

No, I know that.

I know that.

It's still $874 billion market cap.

I'm just still trying to figure out why Apple, I mean, if you were, if you had...

$1,000 to put down on a company and you were like,

this one's going to last.

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I would put it on Amazon.

I think so, too.

They're so wide-ranging.

And that's everything.

A lot of their money comes from things you don't even think about with Amazon, which is like their cloud services.

This is really where they make lots of, even

a good chunk of their money.

By the way, there's another story that came out today.

Jeff Bezos's parents.

Did you see this?

No.

This is amazing.

Jeff Bezos, 1995, goes to his parents.

He's like, I really want to start this thing.

Will you invest any money?

They decide to put in $245,573.

Oh, that's a lot.

At the time, he warns them and says, Look, I want to come to Thanksgiving.

So

you got to know that this is probably not going to work, but like this is a big risk.

They take the risk anyway.

We don't know how much they've sold and stuff throughout, but if they had held on to it today, it would be worth $30 billion.

Oh, my gosh.

A $245,000 investment would be worth $30 billion today.

So, I mean, they may be billionaires we never even knew existed.

Wow.

I mean, who knows?

But it's pretty amazing.

We should tax them more.

Harry, in George.

No, it's a great story.

I know, Harry.

I know, But we've got to jump on this socialist bandwagon.

Hello, Harry.

How are you?

Hey, yeah, I also invested $245,000 with Jeff on the first day.

So why are you calling us?

You should be on your own island.

Listen, you know, I go back with you guys to before day one.

I go back to a buccaneer, okay?

Your trial.

Wow.

Okay.

So I

give you.

a lot of people.

I want to give you all the opportunity in the world to back up on a statement you made about an hour ago.

Okay, go ahead.

This is on the gun stuff.

All right.

Or what you guys are calling 3D printed guns and a lot of stuff.

You know, Cody, and I know you guys don't really know this because you're not really, you know, hardware guys or whatever, but

it's very, it takes everything I have not to buy a new piece of equipment because I just love machinery.

Yeah.

And so I, you know, I mess around with this stuff a lot.

The thing, so number one,

what Cody is selling

with Defense Distributed is not 3D printers.

He's selling a CNC milling machine.

So a lot of people, and I know there's also the 3D printing aspect, additive.

Yes.

But the CNC milling is that you're taking away parts of metal, which you can do with a drill press and

a handworked milling machine, and have been able to do that for 100 years.

Sure.

But on top of that,

part of your argument, I think you were just on the way out of a segment, and this might have just been a throwaway line.

But you said, you know, this stuff is already available at the patent office.

Glenn, that's the point of the patent office.

Oh, no, no, hang on.

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

Harry.

Okay.

Harry, Harry, Harry.

Yes, you and I are on exactly the same page, so I'm glad you called.

It is available at the patent office.

The patent is what made America and capitalism work.

It was, I think, the key to

capitalism.

And if you just making that as an argument to allow us to distribute

the so I agree with patents and being able to have the right to patents,

and is my main argument with Cody.

I am a guy who makes a product, you know, and I don't want people taking my product and just taking it and stealing it and putting it everywhere.

And I mean,

so what so what do I get and we've had that

call on my own channel later what'd you say I'm gonna be streaming this call on my own channel later

it's but I mean I'm I'm with you on that this is the argument that I've had with Cody you can't take other people's patents and just put them out online his argument is well it's happening already it's going to well that's something that we should debate and figure out how to protect people's patents and the right to their idea.

That's a separate argument from

the 3D printing, and we just

can't have people just

putting blueprints out online.

If they would have said, because those are patented

and

protected plans,

not because of safety, but because of the individual that held that, who came up with that idea, we're having a different argument.

What they're saying is, you can't publish things that are dangerous.

You can't publish and make your own gun.

Well, that's that's wholly different.

That genie is already out of the bottle.

You're not going to be able to put it back in.

And I don't want anything, anything to do with an argument that says it's illegal to publish something.

Right.

But, you know, they're going to try to conflate the two, right?

And I think that it has to be two separate issues.

I agree with you.

I completely agree with you.

That's just not the way that came across to me.

When you said that on the way out, it came across like, hey, they're available, so who gives a crap?

You know?

Oh, no, no, no.

Yeah, I'm sorry for that, Harry.

Yeah.

I mean, you know.

But I mean, when it comes to the patent issue, I mean, these are all patents.

The U.S.

Patent Service, you can search online right now.

I mean, what you're are you arguing against his ability to sell them?

Is that what he I mean or because I thought he had to do that?

I don't think he, and I don't, and I i i i I have not researched it that but I don't think he has gone on and let's say bought a Glock or a SIG or whatever and and taken it apart and laser scanned it.

And then I don't think he's doing that.

I think the stuff he's the G-code files he's selling are what they claim are their own DD designs.

And so this is a different, this is an entirely different argument, and I'm 100% with you.

But that's where the corporations need to come out and say, wait a minute, you just can't take my drug just because I've patented and you know the formula.

You just can't do that.

That's my formula.

That's what this is all for.

That's a completely different argument than what is being made currently by the press.

They're not making a capitalist argument for the protection of the rights of ideas and patents.

That's not what they're talking about at all.

You know, a lot of this, and I'll just use Chuck Schumer as the coverall for all these idiotic statements about, you know, oh, guns are going to be everywhere and they won't be detectable and they won't be traceable and you'll be able to get a gun onto a plane and this, that, and the other thing.

Again, the CNC milling, that's 100% metal gun made exactly the way that SIG or whoever is making it.

And these other, that sort of balloony looking giant, I think you had one on the show.

And did you guys, I can't remember if you shot it or not.

No, you mean the one made out of plastic?

Yeah, the plastic.

No, I'm not going to shoot that one.

Yeah, that's a whole separate argument.

You know, what's funny, Buck last night had a guy call in, and he says, I think he started out, his intro was like, oh, I'm an orphan from Chicago or Detroit or someplace.

And he says, I grew up in a real rough neighborhood.

He says,

I could make a zip gun in 10 minutes with $12 in parts.

And I can make them all day long, and they'll fire, you know, for years.

And so the argument

of

the illicit gun being out there

is just stupid.

And I used to own a gun.

It was lost in a fishing accident a long time ago.

Yeah.

It's too bad when they drop it in the lake like that.

And

I hear that happens happens a lot.

Yeah, it has happened to me a lot.

My entire collection was dropped into a lake accidentally.

Why did you bring them all fishing?

Because I just misunderstood the idea of fishing.

I'm like, I'm going to get those damn fish.

Oh, yeah.

Because we were going for flying fish, and I thought it was like, you know, I thought it was like duck hunting.

Every time Glenn yelled pull, a flying fish would shoot out of the water.

Exactly right.

And all of the, they fell in the bottom of a very deep lake and have never been found.

Anyway.

Well, I'm glad we cleared that that up because that got under my skin right off the bottom.

Okay, so Harry, let me ask you this.

You have to listen to next hour because

I'm going to make my case

here on what Cody is doing.

And I will include, to be very, very clear on patents.

Thank you for that.

I can't listen.

I'm going to be rebroadcasting this.

Well, you could wait for a few minutes.

I mean, when your audience has an audience, it just kind of pisses you off.

You know what I mean?

Just, no, you should say, hey, I'm going to, You know what you should do?

Is you should re-broadcast this broadcast live on your broadcast, which would be, I mean, sure, I have copyrights, but what the hell?

Did I get you to run a promo?

So, Harry, one more thing.

What is the,

you know,

I do want you to hold after this because I do want to find out about your podcasts and everything else.

But

tell me what your stance is on the plastic guns.

Well, listen,

my wife's father used to work for the FBI, and we got an internal tour about

20 years ago.

And he took us all around up to the,

he was in forensics, and he took us up to the guy that does all the gun testing and all that stuff.

And

he's talking about this, that, and the other thing with the, you know, figuring out the guns and

unscrewing when they get rid of the serial numbers and stuff like that and I said wait there's no

what about the you know the undetectability of polymers and stuff and and he says oh no they can't do that I said wait a minute there's no no

plastic or whatever I mean I'm not a chem

a chemist but under the generic non-metal type stuff

that can get that can contain the blast of and he sort of looked

it like you know, when you catch a kid, like, uh-oh, and he sort of looked like that.

And I was like, okay, whatever.

You said, you said there's not.

And that was a long time ago.

Right.

So

it seems difficult for me to believe that there's not already or very soon going to be

a generic plastic again.

Sure.

But should we have laws against undetectable guns?

Yeah.

There probably should be laws against undetectable guns.

There probably should be.

It's interesting.

I mean, the NRA, I think, you know, agrees.

The NRA supported the

law that made them illegal.

That's what everybody is saying.

You know, they're showing these plastic guns on CNN.

They're like, can people make these?

No, they're illegal.

If you make them, you go to jail.

They're illegal.

But the question is, if you're a real constitutionalist, that is an infringement.

They didn't say only out of metal and wood.

They didn't say that.

No, no, they did not.

And it's an interesting question, obviously a difficult one that has developed.

Although, I mean, the guidelines are clear.

It shall not be infringed.

And, you know, this particular case that's going on now is really more of a First Amendment case than it is a Second Amendment case.

I mean, there's a Second Amendment ties to it, but really, this is about sharing information.

We all know bombs are illegal, but the anarchist cookbook, and we're going to go over this in depth today on the TV show, but the anarchist cookbook is still legal.

You can still go buy it.

You can still put information out there.

It's what people do with that information that makes it legal or not.

Yes.

And, you know, that is, now there are some, obviously, exceptions with private information, and

there's certain things out there that you can and can't do.

I just don't want to be a part of a country that says you cannot publish these ideas or you cannot publish.

If you want to say you cannot publish them because they are copywritten ideas, someone else owns them.

Somebody else owns them, that's a different argument.

But to say, well, this is dangerous.

We cannot allow you to publish, that is a really bright red line that you never allow the government to cross.

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All right.

3D printing guns.

What the media is saying, what the truth is, and what the real argument should be.

Next.

Glenn Beck.

It's Wednesday, August 1st.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

I'm going to start yesterday with something that Chuck Schumer said as he was panicking about 3D printed guns.

Listen carefully.

Sure, as we're here today, nothing is going to happen from this administration.

We're going to have to pass legislation because they are just

enslaved by the NRA.

Okay, stop.

So, what did he just say?

He wants the president to do something about 3D printed guns.

That he's got to stop the publishing of the blueprints on 3D printed guns.

And if he doesn't act, then Congress is just going to have to.

Well, excuse me, Senator, but if you know our Constitution, all laws are supposed to come from you.

And then the president approves or vetoes on.

He doesn't enact laws.

You do.

So what do they do?

They decided to enact a law.

Here is what Mike Lee had to say within minutes of reading this bill from the Senate.

Mr.

President, reserving the right to object, I first saw this legislation literally moments ago and

therefore haven't had adequate time to review it.

But I will say this.

Any legislation that comes forth from this body that begins with the following words will attract my attention and should attract the attention of anyone who's concerned about about our First Amendment and other constitutional rights.

It begins with the words, it shall be unlawful for any person to intentionally publish.

That ought to be concerning to us, to each and every one of us, Democrats and Republicans alike.

On that basis, I object.

Thank God for Mike Lee.

Anytime, anytime, any legislation is,

it is unlawful for you to knowingly publish.

I don't care what you follow that with.

It is unconstitutional and un-American.

That's not who we are.

Now the problem is, you have to ask yourself this one question.

Do you trust people?

Do you trust people?

Well, more and more we are being told that we shouldn't trust people, even though violent crime is down.

Even school shootings is way down, dramatically down from the 1990s.

We're told you can't trust anybody.

And we're starting to believe that.

So if you don't trust anybody, well, then you've got to have a policeman walk around and say, well, you can't do that.

That's illegal.

But where does freedom begin and end?

Where does your right

end?

Freedom of speech.

Where does it end?

I say it doesn't.

Generally, we rule that your right ends when you're starting to hurt hurt other people or or take away their rights.

That's when your freedom ends.

You hurt.

Okay, well, these 3D printed guns, they kill.

No, killers kill.

The guns don't kill.

The printing doesn't kill.

The machine doesn't kill.

The bullet doesn't kill.

None of it kills.

Killers kill.

So that means the printing of the guns or milling of a gun is legal.

Milling already is.

This is just a new way of milling.

So it's already legal.

Now you're just introducing the cotton gin.

Okay, now it's easy to do.

Oh, you want cotton in everybody's hands?

Well, yeah, it's already been invented.

You're not going backwards.

Now, printing guns, milling guns, that's legal.

The question is whether you can publish the blueprints.

And here's where an argument could could be made.

Printing and milling guns are fine, but if you are taking somebody's copywritten material,

well then now that hurts somebody.

That hurts the inventor, the one who put all of their time and toil into that to invent it, and they have a copyright on it.

This is what created America was the copyright.

Now not everybody agrees with that, but I do.

This is why I would be against somebody saying, well, I could just print, you know, here's a Lego, not Lego.

Well, no, you can't do that.

You can't do that.

You can't sell a Louis Vuitton purse.

It is against the law.

Do people do it?

Yes.

Will people print Legos instead of going to the store?

Yes, they will.

But then you have a whole nother set of problems.

Right now, we have a copyright.

So I don't care if it's a Glock or a Lego.

The only argument that I can find is the copyright argument.

Everything else, it doesn't hurt anybody's rights unless you use it to kill somebody.

Plastic guns, well, they're already banned.

Should they be?

That's an argument we should be having.

Isn't that infringement of your rights?

But publishing?

This is what they're going after now.

Publishing.

It will be unlawful to publish these things.

Tonight on television, I'm going to show you the anarchist cookbook.

This is one of of the most vile books you can ever imagine.

It's gone through court case after court case after court case.

It was originally printed in 1972.

You can buy it right now on Amazon.com or Barnes Noble.

It teaches you how to make ricin.

It teaches you how to pick locks.

It tells you how to torture people.

It tells you how to build bombs.

Everything.

Well, we can print that.

Oh, you know, it's been used by Columbine.

It's been used by Timothy McVeigh.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They had it.

They bought it.

You know who else has a copy?

Me.

It's not the book.

Just because I have the book, I'm not making bombs.

I have the book.

That doesn't make me

dangerous.

That makes me somebody who believes in freedom of speech.

It makes me, in my particular case, a collector of odd and rare books.

Okay.

So should it be illegal?

No.

It's gone through court, case after court, case after court case.

In fact, the guy who wrote it was 19 years old.

He tried to stop it after he grew up and said this was a huge mistake.

But he didn't own the copyright.

He didn't own the publishing rights.

And so he couldn't stop it.

He wrote it, but he sold the print the publishing rights.

It's still on the market today.

We'll go into that later tonight.

But the guy who's brought us this conversation, and it is an important conversation because this is the beginning of the digital world, is Cody Wilson.

He is the founder of Defense Distributed.

Cody, how are you?

Hey, Glenn.

Happy to see you again.

Yeah, happy to talk to you.

Thanks for getting up for us.

I know

you're kind of like, yeah, if I answer the phone, well, I'll talk.

If not.

Look, man, I hit a wall pretty hard yesterday, so I was up pretty late.

I have to tell you, Cody, I was watching CNN last night, and honest to God, listening to them talk about this was like explaining hip-hop to my grandparents.

I mean, it was,

wow, were they completely

completely on

another plane?

Tell me how you respond to what's happening right now.

Well, I mean, there's a legal response, which I'm not sure that you mean.

I think maybe you just mean, how do I process the

freak out in the culture?

Yeah.

I don't know.

Look, I'm bemused because it's at the beginning of the year, they all congratulate themselves, Meryl Streep and Tom Hanks, about the Pentagon Papers and the Washington Post's bravery in publishing, right?

And then

tell me about net neutrality and how they fear the internet will be censored.

And then little old me comes around and they sure are glad that they can, I don't know, make illegal all publishing.

Does it chill you to the bone as much as it does me when you hear

the first lines of this bill where it makes it illegal and unlawful if you knowingly publish fill-in-the-blank?

No,

it doesn't.

I mean, one,

that would just be an obviously unconstitutional law.

Now, of course, it had to be somebody like me that would get prosecuted on something like that.

But I'm willing to do that.

But I've been fighting Chuck Schumer on this issue for years.

In 2014, he tried to pass a bill in the name of security that would have made it illegal to make a gun, you know,

or any gun part on a 3D printer.

So, I mean, these people are craving.

And I suppose the only useful thing about what I'm doing right now is that

look at what I have demonstrated.

These states, these attorneys general, 21 of them, by the way, these states are telling you exactly where they are.

They believe it should be illegal for you to share this information.

They believe it should be illegal for you to make a gun, speak about making a gun.

I mean, it's very clear where these states are going to be within five years' time, within 10 years' time.

Get out if you live behind the blue wall.

This isn't going to end, you know.

This isn't going to somehow end with Kavanaugh or something.

They're going right for it.

They're going for keeps.

So, Cody,

are you a gun nut that's like, everybody's going to have a gun?

Or are you a guy who says, the world is changing?

It's no longer 1959 anymore.

And

this is just part of the new world and you have to you have to deal with it

yeah i changed i changed even some of the laws already like i for five years i fought a cold war

a cold war rule um that the state department had and i and i won uh last week that rule essentially changed uh it was modified and and soon a final rule will come out so that cold rule or that that cold war rule is over and now right these these attorneys general have to to face the fact that, uh-oh, there's actually nothing now standing in between people sharing plans for guns on the internet, and they're in a mad rush to pull me into every court in the Union and create some kind of law out of whole cloth.

Does this

is this any different in your mind than somebody who is already milling their own gun?

I mean, you have to have you know, you have to have your own machine shop to make a gun, and you can make a gun, and you can get the plans to make a gun.

And isn't this just isn't the 3D printer or the printer that you sell, which is actually not printing it, but removing metal?

Isn't this really the same thing?

It's just a modern way of doing it.

This settlement I got and this ruling and the files I posted were actually files for everything, kind of every way that you can make a gun or just have the blueprints for guns.

So I actually only posted like one 3D printable gun file, you know, the classic one that everybody knows about from a few few years ago.

I posted that, but most of what I posted were just pure blueprints and three or four milling files.

This is post-war technology.

This is some of the earliest computer code that's ever been existed.

As long as there have been computers, there have been gun companies using computers to assist them in their manufacturing.

So these files are actually ancient in terms of

the internet timelines and stuff.

Again, it doesn't matter.

The subject

completely escapes people.

People don't want to understand it.

And of course, it's very convenient for people like Chuck Schumer, who can, in the name of public security, try to throw death blows, I guess, at the Second Amendment.

And I guess the first.

So

I think we disagree on this.

And I'd like to hear your argument

to make the case.

I believe in copyright.

I work my whole life.

I write a book.

I don't like it when China just takes my book and just rewrites it, takes my name off of it, and I don't get paid for it.

It's what made the capitalist system work.

You know, if there are non-copywritten blueprints, et cetera, et cetera, I don't think that

there's any reason why you can't use them to print a gun.

However, when it comes to a copyright, if you're printing a gun perhaps for your own personal use, maybe,

but certainly not for turning around and selling them, Doesn't this destroy the ⁇ do you draw a line between things that are out in the open already,

that are free from copyright, and copywritten material?

Yeah, I do.

In the case of this subject, though, copyright really only applies to written blueprints or, let's say, instruction manuals, things like that.

For the most part,

what we're concerned about are patents, you know, design patents, utility patents, things like that.

And design patents actually have much shorter lives.

So in the case of the firearms world, most of the patterns that are pretty successful and that people use and the files related to guns are actually already expired in terms of patent.

They're not protected.

Okay, so you didn't, and I'm sorry you're using copyright.

It's my business.

I'm not thinking patents.

What you have released and what you believe should and can be released is not stuff that has been patented or not even released, but not used, not made.

Would you agree with the protection of the patent

i decline i decline to patent any of our technology and of course the really popular technologies like the aer-15 and these other guns the 1911 these designs have been with us so long that thankfully no one has patent anymore but what i was given authority to do by the state department what's really important about what i was given authority to do was to commit this information to the public domain to put it there is to make it safe both from claims of future patents and copyright, but also from claims by the government that like, well, you can't post this anymore.

Well, sorry, no, it's actually considered in the public domain.

It's now outside of the scope of these laws.

So, in this sense, avoiding intellectual property is actually one of the safest ways to preserve the information before the law.

What about

the plastic gun, the undetectable gun?

What do you mean?

The copyright on the gun?

No, is there, do you,

I'm trying to figure out, you know, this is everybody's talking about plastic guns, undetectable guns, guns without serial numbers, you know, all of this stuff.

Where is there a line at all on the Second Amendment?

Well, what, what the our opposition, right, I'm being charitable here.

I'm not calling them our

earnest enemy.

I'm not calling them domestic enemies of the Constitution of the United States.

I'm calling them our opposition.

What they believe is that they can use this issue

and talk about undetectability, but pass laws about traceability so that they can end up creating laws that make sure that no matter what, if you make a gun in this country, it's either illegal or you have to tell the state about it.

And that's never been the law in this country, and it never should be.

Yeah, that came in the 1960s.

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Cody Wilson, the founder of Defense Distributed.

Cody, first of all, correction.

You say I was wrong on something?

Oh, I don't know if it's what you meant, but

there's a law from the 1960s called the Gun Control Act, and it is a law that requires a serial number to be put on a gun, but only if that gun is made by a commercial manufacturer, dealer, or distributor.

Correct.

So Americans, American individuals, your listeners at home, have the legal right to make a gun for themselves for their own use, and they don't have to put a serial number on it.

That's what I just wanted to make sure was clear.

Yeah,

we're on the same thing.

Everybody has a right to do this themselves right now.

The deal is, do you have the expertise and the equipment to do it?

And 3D printing, they're trying to make it sound like everybody can just run out and buy one of these printers, which you could.

You could.

But you could also get the milling machine and make one yourself as well.

It's pretty expensive, too.

I mean, they make it seem like this is the easiest thing in the world.

Cody, I'm curious.

One of the points that keeps being brought up against you is the idea that we should not have the right,

and we don't have the right, to create a gun out of plastic that cannot be detected by metal detectors.

How do you react to that?

Well, I mean, there's a law in the books about this, although

it's never really been serious.

There's never been enforcement about it.

It was passed when the Glock was brought to market and Brady, it used to be called Handgun Control Incorporated, got this law passed.

But now it's a real law, like on accident almost.

Like, I agree.

I think

we can pass laws at some level that conform with our security norms.

But remember, there were never metal detectors in the 1700s.

But we made it.

Okay.

We made it, guys.

So, but

can every piece of a gun be made out of plastic?

The springs, the

firing pins?

I mean, the bullets?

Doesn't that show up on...

Wouldn't a bullet show up?

Of course.

Yes.

Of course.

Now, this gun can be, this is probably the most plastic a gun's ever been made out of, at least, I don't know, in a outside of the DOD and like the spy games or the Cold War, right?

I've heard rumor of, and I've had years to meet many people who told me about famous composite guns in this in the spy games of the Cold War.

But yeah, but no, you need you need metal to have a firing pin.

You need metal in your cartridges, in your ammo.

Okay.

Cody, thank you very much.

Thanks for talking to us today, and we'll keep checking in and following your progress.

Cody Wilson.

So, Pat Gray joins us.

I'm just resisting.

What am I resisting?

I don't know.

Collectivization of manufacture, institutionalization of the human psyche?

I'm not sure.

But I do know one thing.

Yeah.

It's a symbol of reversibility that the gun will never be eradicated from the face of the earth.

I do know that.

Off the top of his head.

Off the top of his head.

He is.

That's how many times we've played that.

Yeah.

He's so much more likable now than he was then.

Yeah.

Cody Wilson was with us, how long ago was it, five, six years ago?

Yeah, it was six years ago.

When we first started talking, remember how crazy it was to talk about 3D printing?

Oh, God.

And first started talking about it and saying, look, this is going to play a role.

We found him.

We got him in.

He brought in the plastic guns and everything else.

And since that time, he has become really quite important in the world.

And we had him on.

And did you hear his last interview with us the time before last?

I was here.

Yeah, after that.

We finally did for Stu.

I loved him.

He's good.

Yeah, I said, I played that quote for him.

I don't know.

What am I resisting?

And he said, look, I was 25.

I said to him, have you ever figured out what you were resisting?

And he just, he laughed.

So he didn't take himself.

quite as seriously as he did back then.

And he just said on the air, look, you know, there are probably laws that should be written to comply with our safety norms.

Okay.

When he talks about plastic guns.

Yeah.

So he's not a hard line on that.

And also when it came to patent, it seemed like he was not a hard line on patents either, where if I'm not mistaken,

the first time I spoke to him, he was like, I don't believe in patents.

Well, okay.

Well, if you don't believe in patents and copyrights, well, what am I going to?

He's an anarchist.

Yeah.

So you wouldn't.

Right.

But he

seemed to, didn't he?

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he seemed to be kind of okay with, he was saying that everything I'm releasing there has no patent on it.

Seemed to be a more

mainstream view on that because you're right, like an anarcho-capitalist, a lot of times they'll talk about patents negatively.

Yeah.

But it's an interesting thing.

I mean, his point, however, on the idea that there weren't metal detectors in the 1700s, I think is a key one here when you're talking about plastic guns.

It's like, well, the founders didn't say, well,

your right to create guns shall not be, or bear arms shall not be infringed as long as it's the proper exact materials we have of today.

Like, they didn't didn't say that.

Like,

it shall not be infringed.

The idea that they would be like, well, if it's made out of plastic or some other material, then, of course, obviously you can ban them.

Which is a, I don't know.

I don't know what legal basis that is.

I mean, it might seem logical and pragmatic, but I don't know where that comes out of the Constitution.

Yeah, I'm just looking up on the deal.

Federal judge blocks distribution of blueprints for creating plastic guns on 3D printers.

Okay, well,

you don't have to create a plastic gun.

It doesn't have to be made out of plastic.

And what right do you have?

How can you block freedom of speech and publishing?

You can't.

And I can't take Twitter, Facebook,

Fox News, CNN.

I can't take anybody on this because nobody knows what the hell they're talking about.

I really, I watched,

I think it was Wolf Blake.

I don't remember who it was, trying to explain 3D printed guns to his audience.

and it was grandpa trying to explain hip-hop.

I mean, it was, oh my God.

It really is embarrassing.

There's a great article that came out speaking of this.

You made this point a couple of times in this way, which made me think of this story that came out.

I think, Pat, you talked about it recently

of how to explain rap music to an older generation.

And kind of trying to make a comparison of like, because it's to me,

I'm not

a big fan of

rap, yeah.

And so I don't, I don't necessarily understand like what these guys' roles are in relationship to each other.

You know what I mean?

Like I haven't put a lot of thought into it.

A lot of people say to me, Kanye West is a genius.

I hear it all the time.

And I just, look, I mean, now I guess, you know, a lot of people in the audience might like him because of his Trump support, but take that out for a second.

He has not, to me,

shown the

that he leans genius all that often.

He might lean genius in the

who should I marry

kind of way.

Seem to make a very good financial decision at the very least.

I mean, the Kardashians are

marketing geniuses.

They are.

Perhaps you guys haven't heard his latest song.

Oh, yes.

Lift Yourself Up.

I haven't.

Do you have

the lyrics?

Yeah, you talk about genius.

In the final verse, I mean, it's so.

You can't argue.

Read it.

Just read it.

Yeah, go ahead.

Poopy do scoop.

Scoop diddy whoop.

Whoop de scoop de poop.

Poop de scoopty.

Wow.

Scoop de whoop.

Whoopity scoop.

Whoop poop.

Poop diddy.

Whoop scoop.

Poop poop.

Scoop diddy whoop.

Whoop diddy scoop.

I see someone.

No, I mean

you can't deny the genius of that.

I can't deny it.

She loves me.

Yeah,

yeah, yeah.

Oh, I'll take that over poopity scoop

any three days.

I mean, wham-bama-lemma, whatever,

whoopity scoop.

All right.

Anyway, I'm real.

But this is kind of interesting because there was just an article written about

how

because today's

rappers,

the most famous ones, like the

godfathers of rap, like Jay-Z, they're getting a little long in the tooth now.

And so, they're getting to the point where our classic rock artists were getting for like me and you, Glenn.

Um, and so an article was just written comparing the uh dad rock bands, like the Rolling Stones would be a dad rock band because your dad liked the Rolling Stones, to dad rap bands or artists, because some of these guys have been around for 25, 30 years, like Jay-Z.

So, they compare Jay-Z

is

the dad rap,

just like the Rolling Stones are dad rock.

So Jay-Z is the Rolling Stones.

Okay, but not yet, right?

Well,

he says now, yeah.

Both are legends.

So if you grew up loving

Jay-Z,

he's like your Rolling Stones.

And they're that old.

I mean,

like when we're in the city, Jay-Z's 49 now.

He's with us in the 80s.

49.

He's 49.

Yeah.

Or 90s, even.

He's.

Yeah.

Okay.

Wow.

All right.

Eminem is the Eagles.

Marshall Mathers, like Glenn Frye, is a Detroit native who works out his petty issues with witchy women who have lion eyes by making absurdly popular stadium-filling jock jams.

Later, when he sought a late career boost on 2013's The Marshall Mathers LP2, he sampled Joe Walsh, strategy that also worked for the Eagles when they hired Joe Walsh right before making their most popular album, Hotel California.

Drake would be akin to Tom Petty.

Tom Petty.

Drake is the rare rapper who makes sense in the context of the older Gen X stars and the SoundCloud kids.

Tom Petty had a similar dynamic as a cross-generational icon.

Yeah, that's true.

In that he could hang with musicians 10 years older or 10 years younger.

And apparently Drake does that same thing.

Okay.

Kendrick Kendrick Lamar is Bruce Springsteen.

Kendrick.

This is something I never kind of amazing.

This is something I never thought would ever spill out of my mouth, or I've even feel.

I kind of feel bad for Bruce Springsteen on that.

Well, I mean, I don't know much about Kendrick Lamar, but can he also not sing Christmas carols?

Is that why they're...

I'm not sure of that.

I've never heard a Kendrick Lamar Christmas Carol.

You've heard the Bruce Springsteen one.

But I've heard the Bruce Springsteen one way too many stinking times.

Yeah,

when can they stop?

I would

have been about 30 years ago, but I'm not going to get my wish on that.

He never approaches the correct note in that song at any time.

He's as close to a correct note as

Jehovah's Witnesses to Christmas, right?

Like they don't celebrate it, right?

So it's like,

it's like, he's just not, he is not even attempting, seemingly, to get close to the tune of the song at any time during the time.

So you've got Santa Claus is coming to town that should never be played Christmas.

And you've got

Born in the USA, which should never be played on the 4th of July.

Never.

It's so anti-American.

And everybody plays it regardless.

They just don't, because it says USA in it, it must be patriotic.

Nope.

Nope.

The chants in Iran.

They're talking about America.

It must be very patriotic.

Thanks, Pat.

Interesting.

Kanye West is David Bowie is in this article as well.

Where they both were super controversial and then everyone said they loved him at the end.

That's pretty similar to both the career path of both of those guys.

It's kind of interesting.

I don't know.

I really don't.

And Beastie Boys are Led Zeppelin.

So, you know, going back to Kanye with

David Bowie.

It does kind of work.

It does kind of work.

I mean, think of David Bowie didn't become big until Ziggy Stardust.

Are you familiar with any of this?

Yeah, yeah, I mean, I know.

So Ziggy Stardust, and, you know,

he can't get arrested.

And he's coming over to the United States and he decides I need to hire a PR firm and we're just going to

get a group and we're just going to, we're going to make up this artist and we're going to call all of the papers and all of the, you know, Rolling Stone and all of the clubs and say, we hear Ziggy Stardust is coming in from London.

Is that true?

And so they start getting all these calls and they're like, we've never even heard of Ziggy Stardust.

These are things that had not happened in the internet era.

Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And so he comes over and Ziggy Stardust is here and it's all a show.

And he shows up at these clubs and everybody starts covering him.

And boom, there's David Bowie.

I mean, so it's kind of, I mean, you know, he starts on a, he starts with a sham.

I don't know that Kanye West had the let's dance portion of the David Bowie's career, though.

Like dancing, it was dancing in the Street, right?

Wasn't that him as well?

No, I think it was just Let's Dance.

Well, there's Let's Dance was one of them, right?

And then he did the duet with Mick Jagger, the really terrible, famously terrible video.

Oh, I don't even remember that.

I might have blocked that.

No, I may have blocked that.

We got to watch that in the break.

You'll love it.

Yeah.

It's like the word known as one of the worst music videos of all time.

Okay, you don't need to inflict it on me.

I probably blocked it.

You're going to love it.

You're going to love it.

Here, this is horrible.

Try this.

Just a bite.

Okay, air pollution in national parks is as bad as the top 20 major cities in the U.S.

Wow, really?

Let's go out and get some fresh air.

Why is that?

Because they're downwind of, you know, air pollution sources, you know, agricultural

sources, industry, major highways, urban pollutants.

I mean, actually, this, I think, is a good thing.

I mean, I think this says something.

That our national parks,

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Glenn back.

I just got a note from a friend at DRD Tactical.

And if you've never seen DRD Tactical guns, they are great.

I own.

Well, until I lost them at the bottom of the lake, I owned quite a few of them.

But they're great guns.

Anyway, so he writes in and he says, Glenn, patent diagrams online or on paper do not have any dimensions, so it's not possible to look at a patent diagram to make a firearm receiver.

Two, 3D solid model files are for AR lowers and others, have been online for the last seven to 10 years.

Just search and you'll get the 3D file.

Three, 3D solid model file is the only way to program a CNC metal machine and use it on a 3D printer to print a receiver from a plastic, from plastic or metal.

Also, not sure how many plastic guns can fire more than one round with chamber pressures anywhere from 10,000 to 56,000 psi.

Especially the barrel and the bolt would have to be heat-treated metal, or it is one round per gun and a trip to the hospital.

I have five patents, a sixth one applied for.

If someone tries to copy us in the U.S.

our patented parts, we could sue them, but overseas it's impossible to do so.

U.S.

military, M240, M249,

M2HB, Belt-Fed machine guns have been knocked off by other countries being sold in the international market.

These guns are older designs.

Patents have run out, so anyone can make them.

When my patents expire, it'll become open IP and anyone can duplicate and make money.

I mean,

so all you have to do now is decide where does freedom begin and where does freedom end.

The Senate is trying to pass a bill that says it will be unlawful for you to unknow for you to knowingly publish,

fill in the blank, doesn't matter what it says after that.

It's at the very least should cause you hesitation, as it did for Mike Lee in the Senate yesterday.

I mean, you know, because obviously if it's the publish and it's child porn, right, like there's a reason to stop that.

But

can we just

maybe we should do a show and get some people on here that can make the case, for instance,

why is child porn wrong?

Okay, child porn is wrong because you have children involved making videos, right?

Okay.

If you do

CGI and there are no children involved, is it still against the law?

Yeah, because this wasn't due with the Supreme Court at one point a few years ago.

And the question should be,

yes or no?

Okay, why?

And where does, where, again, where do those lines begin and end because everything is changing now.

Absolutely everything is changing.

changing.

It's why I've been saying for a while, we've got to brush up on the difference between right and wrong and know what our principles are because everything's going to be challenged.

Absolutely everything you know is going to be challenged.

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Mercury.