'We've Seen This Movie Before'? - 7/10/18

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Last night in prime time, President Trump announced 53-year-old Brett Kavanaugh as the Supreme Court nominee to replace Justice Anthony Kennedy.

The president,

you know, played it up.

He walks out by himself.

I felt like we were watching a man who knows how to create a reality show.

And we were.

The president said he looked for a judge that was able to set aside their political views and apply the Constitution as written.

The president listed several of Kavanaugh's credentials.

Graduate of Yale,

if he's confirmed, it would maintain the court's unanimous Ivy League makeup.

Yay.

The president described him as a judge's judge who has authored over 300 opinions over the last 12 years as a judge on the U.S.

Circuit Court of Appeals in D.C.

Kavanaugh currently teaches at Harvard Law School, where he was hired by Supreme Court Justice Elena Kagan when she was the dean there.

Kavanaugh also a law clerk for Justice Anthony Kennedy in 93 and he was there at the same time as Neil Gorsuch.

He later worked for the independent counsel Kenneth Starr during the Clinton Whitewater investigation, also worked as counsel in the George W.

Bush White House, eventually becoming staff secretary to the president.

He was also on the scene at the recount in 2000.

He's active as a Catholic.

He volunteers in soup kitchens.

He tutors students at elementary schools.

He coaches his daughter's basketball teams.

He seems like a normal guy.

Players call him, as he pointed out last night, Coach K.

No word on whether Justice Ginberg will call him Coach K.

Trump said, no one one in America is more qualified for this position and no one is more deserving.

This morning I listened to the podcast from the New York Times on it, and I was fascinated by the fact that they were speaking to a guest who said to them,

it's probably the best, most solid pick you could find.

Doesn't mean that people aren't going to be upset about it, but he is a qualified judge.

So those are the positives.

He ticks the boxes, the right boxes.

He seems to like Trump, and Trump seems to be convinced

that he's a confirmable nominee rather than somebody like Amy Coney Barrett, which is the one that I was hoping that he was going to pick.

Many conservatives were rooting for him,

but conservatives are nervous because we've seen this movie before.

This is a guy who has been around Washington, D.C.

for a long time.

Kavanaugh, in 2011, he wrote the D.C.

for the circuit

in a case that he heard on Obamacare.

In that opinion, he ended up supporting the law's individual mandate.

This was something that he was directly influenced by with John Roberts.

Other potential red flag for Kavanaugh's confirmation.

An article he wrote for the Minnesota Law Review in which he said he believes presidents should not be subject to civil lawsuits or criminal investigations in office because they were time-consuming and distracting.

Did that play a role?

Democrats will grill Kavanaugh for a week on that one alone, I'm sure.

Judge Kavanaugh greeted with lengthy standing ovation last night.

His wife and his kids were there.

We will see.

First, we have to get through the nomination process,

and then we see him for the next probably 30 years on the court.

It's Tuesday, July 10th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

Welcome to the program.

Pat Gray is joining me today.

We have a lot of guests on today.

We have great, great people.

Mike Lee coming up in about 20 minutes.

We have Ben Shapiro at the top of hour number two.

Dave Rubin at the top of hour three.

Some really good guests to comment on what all of this means and how this is going to play out now.

I'm kind of disappointed.

Me too.

I mean, it's not bad, but it's not, you know, it's not a home run.

It's not a slam dunk.

It's not Amy Barrett.

She would probably, in my opinion, would have been better.

But I think he kind of went with a safe pick, and yet, you know, here comes the crazy from the left.

Oh, my gosh.

They're nuts over him.

Oh, they were saying that he was going to destroy the planet.

Yeah, millions of lives are at stake over this pick.

Wow.

Terry McAuliffe.

The nomination of Kavanaugh will threaten the lives of millions of Americans.

Well, it will.

Well, no.

No.

Maybe.

And actually, if it works out on the Roe versus Wade, it will save millions of American lives.

Yep.

Yep.

Not sure how you make the case that he's threatening the lives of millions of people.

So I read that.

Okay.

Yeah.

And I started thinking, because that's what I am.

I mean, I'm not a scientist.

Well, I'm a doctor.

And a thinker.

And a thinker.

So I started thinking,

what is it that this guy might have

that could destroy

millions, life as we know it?

Let me just say, I believe one of the infinity stones.

I believe

that's what the left is afraid of.

You know which one?

Well, I've been thinking about it.

It could be the soul stone.

Okay, for only reason.

Allows the user to steal, control, manipulate, and alter living and dead souls.

Wow.

It grants the user control over all life in the universe.

Now, that's more than millions of people.

But to make it work, don't you need the other stones?

No, no, no.

You don't?

No, no.

Okay.

No.

You don't need to have all of them.

I mean, it would be great.

And I think that's what they're afraid of.

I think there's a possibility.

For instance,

I think,

well, you tell me.

Is it the media or has Donald Trump taken this from the media?

I think they used to have the reality stone.

Listen, allows the user to fulfill their wishes, even if the wish is in direct contradiction with scientific laws and things that are normally not possible.

It can create any type of alternative reality with the user's wishes.

At full potential, when backed by the other gems, the reality stone allows the user to alter reality on a universal scale.

I think that's

the media still has that.

It still has that?

Yeah.

It might lend it out to Donald Trump

from time to time, but they've had that one for a long time.

How about the time stone?

Is it possibly as the time stone?

The ability to stop, slow down, speed up, or here's the key, reverse the flow of time.

Wow.

So we could go back to the 1800s and slavery.

And slavery, which is probably what he wants to say.

I believe that's what he wants to say.

I think they believe he has the time gem.

I think he's written extensively about

trying to help America return to slavery.

Do you?

Extensively.

Of the 300 opinions he's written, I think about 260 of them are about slavery and going back to the 1800s.

You might be right.

He might have the.

Well,

probably not, but we don't know because the media has the reality stone.

Right.

True.

So we're going to believe that almost everything that he has ever said or done leads to the enslavement of women.

Oh,

man.

You know, the protests outside the Supreme Court last night were just, I mean, nuts.

Just nuts.

I couldn't even tell what they're screaming half the time.

What is that?

I'm sorry.

They're upset.

He's racist.

Just.

He's a murderer.

Murderer?

Oh, my choice, not Trump's choice.

Is that what it is?

My choice, not Trump's choice?

Something like that?

I only heard right, right, right, right.

I know.

Then there's a sign that says

circumcision harms.

And that has to do with the Supreme Court justice in one way.

Are they about to rule on circumcision?

Yes.

Okay.

Yes.

All right.

That is one of the pending cases they're considering.

That's the Jew stone.

That's what that one is.

The holder of that stone,

he makes all the rules.

He controls all circumcisions.

Wow.

Yeah.

And I don't know if he holds it or not.

I would find it a little disturbing and ironic that it might be held by the Catholic.

It's possible that he holds stones that

Marvel characters don't even know about.

Don't even know about.

Yeah.

Oh, no, there's more infinity stones than that.

I mean, sure, of course there there are.

And the circumcision.

I mean, why would the guy have the sign about circumcision if he wasn't worried about the Jew stone?

Yeah, well, he wouldn't.

Wouldn't make any sense.

No, because you wouldn't know anything about him.

Right.

You could be up there.

See, this is this again shows the cabal.

They're worried about all of the stones.

They're worried.

I mean, they had to have seen Infinity Wars, and they know somebody's out collecting all the stones, and it's probably Brett Kavanaugh.

Yes.

he's collecting all of them, and uh, and that's not good, it's not good.

So, well, it's threatening the lives of millions of Americans for decades to come.

We thought we would just start there today because you know, when you really put this into perspective, no matter what the media says about this guy, when you really put it into perspective that what he's after is all of the infinity stones, you know, then you know what kind of evil you're dealing with.

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we're going to talk to mike lee here about the uh supreme court justice and ben shapiro coming up in uh in just a second

have you seen um have you seen ant-man speaking of the infinity stones have you seen ant-man yet no not yet

do you like it do you like did you like i liked the first one okay and didn't love it but i really liked it i liked it yeah i thought it was really good.

Okay.

You're going to love the new At-Man.

Oh, good.

I think it is my favorite now of the whole collection.

We got up and I said to my son, okay,

rank it.

He said, out of all of them?

And I said, yeah.

And he said, what do you think?

And I said,

it might be my favorite.

And he agreed.

I've heard that from other people, too.

Yeah, it's really good.

It's really, really good.

Yeah.

Also, Billy D.

Williams, I should break this to you.

Well, he's going to be in Star Wars.

Like the next Star Wars?

Yeah, he's going to be in the next Star Wars.

He features Billy D.

Williams.

Yeah, I should have started it with Pat.

Billy D.

Williams is still alive.

Wait, what?

Yeah.

I know.

It's a little bit.

Yeah, I should have started there.

Yeah.

So, is everybody.

You know, here's when you watch, when you watch Ant-Man, you will understand the future.

When you see

Michelle Pfeiffer, is it Michelle Pfeiffer?

I don't know.

It's it's one of those michelles uh when you see her and you see um what they've done with cgi to

to you know make everybody in their 20s is remarkable there's we're coming to a time where you're gonna just you will lease your looks out you'll you'll just say oh warner brothers wants to make that movie i don't want to make that movie but i'll go ahead i'll sign my image and my voice over and they will just create it.

I mean, it's everybody is dying now on the Star Wars thing.

Yeah.

They're all dead, right?

Except for, well, either in the movie or in real life, or both sometimes.

So the only way they're going to be able to do that is with Lando, who's, as you mentioned, still alive.

And

I guess they'll do Princess Leia again, CGI.

I don't have to do their movie.

Why they look so bad in the movie?

That's the worst CGI for people I think I've seen.

When you see Ant-Man, now, again, they're just aging the person or de-aging the person,

but it looks

exactly like him.

Looks exactly like them.

All right.

What was your first thought last night, Bat?

That I was disappointed it wasn't Amy Barrett.

Yeah, me too.

I really would have liked that.

Now, Kavanaugh seems to be anti-Roe v.

Wade, just on the few things that he's kind of known to have said.

He

spoke about the dissent on Roe v.

Wade in a positive way.

The only thing he's ever ruled on, I think, concerning abortion is that he was in the dissenting opinion on allowing the illegal immigrant to get the abortion.

But that was for a different reason.

But he, yeah, it was for a different reason.

But all the way through it, he really deftly

threaded this needle to where he was

auditioning

a little bit.

Yep.

To where he said, all the way through this ruling, like six or eight times,

I just, you know, I'm

just for this decision,

because the Supreme Court has ruled it so, I will assume that

abortion is the law of the land.

And so we are going to, you know, I'll go forward with that presumption.

But I only do it because it is the Supreme Court's decision.

So he's, in that, he seemed to be saying, if I were on the Supreme Court, no, I don't, I don't buy that at all.

And that's enough to make the left go nuts.

That's enough right there to make them hate the guy.

And you know, they're going to oppose him.

They're going to hate him anyway.

They all hate him.

They hated him before they knew it was him.

I know.

If you watched the news last night, you were watching stuff.

They had no idea who the person was.

And they were already saying, oh, it's a horrible,

you know, really controversial pick.

I don't think this guy's that controversial.

Not at all.

Not at all.

I mean, when you look at it,

how bad was the battle for Ginsburg?

Not.

Right.

Not.

I mean, 96 to 3, she was confirmed.

96 to 3.

She is by far, up until Sonia Sotomayor, the most extreme left-wing justice we've probably ever had.

And she was confirmed 96-3.

Scalia, Antonin Scalia, who is considered extreme now by the left, was confirmed 98 to nothing.

It's the way it used to happen.

Yeah.

It was advise and consent.

So, Mr.

President,

we don't think this is a great pick, but it's your pick.

We consent.

Yeah.

Now that's not it anymore.

They would have had, he would have had to go with somebody off of Obama's list in order for the left not to go nuts.

I don't think so.

I don't think so.

I think they would have opposed him

Merrick.

I do.

I think he could have done Merrick, and they would have said no.

It's possible.

It's definitely possible.

When ABC News is tweeting out 90 minutes before the announcement that Terry Moran is going to report on the controversial Supreme Court justice pick and the possible implications for the country,

you know, there's nothing he could have done that would have made the left happy.

Well, no, because he is controversial to the left.

But

they didn't know who it was going to be, but it didn't matter who it was.

It doesn't matter.

That's, you know, again, I think he could have said, you know, you know what?

I'm just going to double down.

I'm going to give two votes.

I'm going to give two votes to Elena Kagan.

And I think they still would have

gone crazy.

She's not, she's,

there's something going on with Elena Kagan, and you know it.

They would have gone nuts.

We have Mike Lee coming up in just a second.

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you have heidi heidkamp what what is she gonna do

it's gonna be tough it's gonna be really tough really tough we'll get to that and mike lee what he thinks of the judicial pick when we come back

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Good senator, who I wish we were saying hello to as the Supreme Court nominee today, Mike Lee is joining us now.

Hello, Senator.

How are you, sir?

Doing great, Glenn.

Good to be with you.

You're so even-keeled always.

Hey, you didn't get the Supreme Court nominee.

I'm doing good.

I'm doing good.

No, you're not.

Come on, you wanted it.

Hey, look, we live in a great country, and the president has made a choice, and that choice is somebody who I think will stand up for the Constitution.

Was there any time, Mike,

was there any time that you let yourself just go?

Because, I mean, you had been so even-keeled the whole time saying to me, on and off air, I'm not going to get it.

But was there any time that you just let go and went, that would be cool?

Oh, yeah, of course.

One has to do that every once in a while.

And

it was a brief few moments when I allowed myself to think that.

Wow, I've been a crazy

earplace okay so mike tell me about uh kavanaugh because both pat and i are a little underwhelmed uh

and we're and i guess it's because we're afraid he's a washington insider he's a guy who's been around the gop forever uh i mean i'm i'm looking for a a bold thinker i'm looking for a a constitutionalist is he the guy

i i think he could well be that guy i hope he's that guy and uh I think he's got a lot of signs of being that guy.

It's very difficult to predict how someone will behave in a position like that until they're given that immense power.

I think, assuming he's confirmed, I think we'll know within a year or two, just as we know a lot about Justice Gorsuch now that he is Justice Gorsuch,

much more so than we did after he had been on the U.S.

Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit for a decade.

But look, Judge Kavanaugh is a well-reputed jurist, and he's one who

deservedly received bipartisan support when he got confirmed to the D.C.

Circuit 12 years ago.

I know him by reputation to be a smart and a fair judge, and frankly, one of the most admired appellate judges in the country.

So I'm looking forward to the process, to getting to know Judge Kavanaugh and his family a little bit better in the next few months.

Have you met him before?

Do you know him?

Yes.

I've met him on a handful of occasions, and I've known people who have cooked for him, who think the world of him, and who regard him as a textualist originalist.

And those are all good signs.

So, Mike,

you're a guy who has known a lot of the Supreme Court justices, and

you've spent time talking to them beyond

just

legal stuff.

What is it like to become a Supreme Court justice, and

how badly does that

play in your head unless you're rock solid on the Constitution, on, look, I want to make sure that our legacy or my legacy,

how much of that plays a role early on?

I think it definitely plays a role.

And look, I don't always quote rush lyrics on national radio interviews, but if you choose

not to decide, you still have made a choice.

If you go into a position like this, especially like being on the Supreme Court of the United States where you have the opportunity to wield tremendous power and where in fact you become more powerful if and precisely because you decide

to expand your role a little more than you should under the Constitution, if you walk into this without having decided in advance that you're not going to do that, you're going to do that.

And so my hope is that what we will discover in the coming weeks, months, and if he's confirmed in the coming year or two, is that Brett Kavanaugh is someone who has already made that choice, who has already decided, I'm not going to do that.

I'm not going to be that kind of justice.

Mike, talking to Senator Mike Lee,

when did it change

when, you know, I think it was Ginsburg that had 98 to 2 and Scalia was 98 to 0.

When did it change from advise and consent to we're going full battle?

You know, in my lifetime,

I think it started to change with Robert Bork, who, of course, was,

what, about six years before Ruth Bitter Ginsburg.

But that's when it became really, really contentious.

And the Democrats decided to take him down.

And they did, in fact, take him down.

Since then, this has become a tug of war and it has become a lot more politically charged.

I learned recently that

in previous decades, in fact, throughout most of the the history of the Republic, Supreme Court nominations were not

predicted to be these big partisan contentious events.

In fact, they often were confirmed by voice vote, meaning that there was no roll call taken because most or nearly all of the members were satisfied with whomever the president picked.

And so

over the last four decades or so, the Supreme Court has become a lot more contentious, in part because it's taken on a much more decidedly political role.

Right.

And I think that's been to the detriment of our system.

So if we had, Ted Cruz said last week, you know, I just, I don't want a conservative, I want a constitutionalist.

If we had the constitutionalist up there,

the Supreme Court would go back to being something that wasn't so consequential because

everybody in Congress would pretty much know what the Constitution says.

It would force them to actually look at the Constitution and not hope that they could just get some judge at a lower level to pass it on to the Supreme Court and cross your fingers and hope that they'll say, yeah, I like that.

We're moving there.

Yeah, that's right.

This would become much more of a functional role, much more of the role of an umpire, someone who calls the balls on the strikes as they see them.

There was an early Chief Justice, I think it was John Jay, who, upon leaving the court,

commented that he thought it was destined to be sort of a lackluster entity within our system of government.

At the time, it's understandable why he might have said that.

At the time, the federal government occupied a relatively small footprint on American society.

And at the time, even within that footprint of the federal government, the Supreme Court's role was relatively limited.

The role of the federal government has expanded.

The role of the court has expanded to an even greater degree,

comparatively speaking.

So that's one of the reasons why it's become so contentious.

But it doesn't need to be that way.

If we keep judges to judging, things will work much better and we can have the hot-button political issues decided by elected representatives rather than by people wearing robes who serve with lifetime tenure.

And Mike, do you get the sense, and maybe it's too early for this, but do you get the sense he'll be able to be confirmed, or is there going to be too much opposition from Democrats?

No, look, I think he will be confirmed.

Barring something that we don't see right now,

I think he's going to be able to get Republicans to vote for him, and perhaps

one or two or three, who knows, maybe even a few more Democrats.

But if all the Republicans stick together, he will be confirmed.

But there's a couple

that I'm thinking of, both in the cold north,

that

may not agree with that plan.

Are you comfortable that this guy can get past those two?

I am.

I'm not certain of it, and I don't want to speak for those colleagues, but I will say this.

Speculating about the possibility that they might not vote for him and actually voting against him are two different things.

I just don't see it happening.

I see

Senators Collins and Murkowski, once they have a chance to visit with this man and discover that he is not a judicial activist, discover that he very much wants to be a constitutionalist jurist, one who calls the balls and strikes as he sees them, I think they're going to be comfortable with him, and I think they'll vote for him.

If they don't,

and if he's not confirmed,

just playing this political game out in my head, I would think that if I'm a Democrat,

I want this over.

I want a big fight, and I want to show that I'm standing up and everything else.

But in the end, I fold probably around September because I don't want this dragging on through the election

because I've got some people in some red states that are in trouble, and they could lose their position and lose it to somebody who would

vote

for this judge.

Do I read that right, do you think?

Perhaps.

That's one side of the argument.

The other side of the argument is that depending on which kind of Democrat you are and which kind of state you're from, you might see it the exact opposite way.

You might see, hey, if we can drag this out, and if by chance Democrats have the chance to clinch the majority this fall, then they could right out, they could garlandize the next two years, hoping that they win the presidential election in 2020 and make it impossible for President Trump to get anybody through until the end of this term in office.

And so these are pretty

hard to to predict where they'll come down.

That would be

completely game-changing, would it not?

I mean, what happens to our ⁇ aren't we in a constitutional crisis at that point?

I wouldn't really call that a constitutional crisis.

I would say that

that is suboptimal and

disappointing outcome.

Well,

that leaves everything 4-4 with a tie.

Yeah, but

there are mechanisms in place to deal deal with that happening.

In fact, there have been times in the history of our Republic when we've had an even-numbered

panel on the Supreme Court, and there are mechanisms in place to deal with that.

If you end up with a four to four split, which even when there is an eight-member composition on the court, is still pretty rare.

But in those rare instances,

the lower court ruling stands, but doesn't take on precedence as if it were a Supreme Court ruling.

So it's not, look, there are lots of things that can cause constitutional crises.

I wouldn't put this in quite that same category.

I would say that would be an extremely disappointing outcome.

Wouldn't call it a constitutional crisis.

Mike, precedents.

Kavanaugh has written a book with Gorsuch all about precedents.

Can you tell me why should we care about precedence?

If we did, wouldn't we still have Jim Crow laws?

I mean, just because one court ruled on it that way doesn't mean that the next court has to to see that as constitutional, especially if that court was looking at political factors.

Yeah, that's true.

The reason precedent exists, the reasons

for doctrines like star rate decisis that try to stick with precedent where possible, it has a lot to do with predictability, foreseeability within the judicial system.

Courts don't like chaos.

They don't like being the cause of chaos.

And so that's why there is a general leaning towards sticking with what they've done in the past.

But as you point out, for good reason, that is not an inexorable command,

nor is it inflexible.

It's something that has to recognize limits and does.

So for example, T.

V.

Ferguson's standard of separate but equal

never was right, never could be right.

And for that reason, the Supreme Court was right to undo it in Brown versus Board of Education.

That's a good example of why it is that even though courts tend to like to follow their own precedents, they are at liberty to, and sometimes under a moral obligation, to undo their own precedent.

All right, Senator Mike Lee, thank you so much.

Appreciate it.

Buckle up.

We're going to need your leadership and your friendship with everyone

to be able to move on and not have a suboptimal situation.

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Ted Cruz is supposedly in the fight of his life, but I don't believe this.

It's a blue wave.

There's a blue wave sweeping Texas.

A blue wave.

Well, they're trying to make people believe here in Texas that Ted Cruz, that there are two Hispanics running.

Now, this is really amazing because I didn't know that they considered Ted Cruz a Hispanic.

Okay.

But there's two Hispanics.

Now, the Democrat that is running, his name is O'Brien.

No.

O'Rourke.

Or O'Rourke.

That's right.

O'Rourke.

His name is actually Robert Francis O'Rourke.

Right.

He's not half Hispanic.

He's not at all Hispanic.

He's Irish American.

He's Irish.

Yes.

And yet

they are imaging him as a Hispanic.

For some reason, he's adopted a Hispanic nickname, Beto.

And so that's the only name he uses on all of his campaign material.

If you see a bumper sticker in Texas, it just says Beto for Senate.

If you see a yard sign, it just says Betto for Senate.

They're trying to make it appear as though the guy is Hispanic.

And I think it's working.

I think Hispanics believe this Irish guy is Hispanic.

He's whiter than I am.

This is cultural appropriation.

It is.

It is really

amazing.

Why aren't they hacked off about this?

Oh, my gosh.

Because, because it doesn't

justify the means.

Yes.

It doesn't matter to them.

They don't actually care about anybody's culture.

They don't.

They'll use it anyway.

It's a two-edged sword.

It will cut either direction for them.

Beppo.

Let's see if we can get, see if we can get him on the air.

Oh, yeah.

Yeah, he's

a good Irish Hispanic man.

We'll talk some more.

Ben Shapiro's next.

Glenn Beck.

It's Tuesday, July 10th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

Ben Shapiro, editor-in-chief of the Daily Wire, host of the Ben Shapiro Show.

Welcome to the program, sir.

How are you?

Thanks for having me.

How are you doing?

Ben,

I'm disappointed.

I was hoping for Barret myself.

I'm holding out hope because I've seen your analysis and

you know what you're talking about when it comes to the law.

Are you comfortable with this guy?

You know, I think comfortable is

probably a pretty good word for it.

I don't think that I'm deeply uncomfortable with him.

I'm not ecstatic about the pick.

I don't think, as you say, I was in favor of Amy Coney Barrett.

I was in favor of Michael Lee.

He was my first choice before he was kind of kicked off the short list.

But if you are going to go with somebody who is a more establishment pick, I think Kavanaugh will be decent.

The only question is whether Kavanaugh is more like Roberts, which would be on the bad side of the scale, or he's more like Alito.

I don't think he's going to be a Scalia Thomas figure.

He doesn't write these kind of ringing opinions that echo down.

He's not somebody who writes broad spectrum opinions, sort of like taking big issues and knocking them over.

I don't think he's going to vote to overturn Roeby White.

I think that the chances that this court votes to overturn Roeby White are very very low, but I think what he will do, he along with Roberts, they will probably carve back the extent of Roe v.

Wade,

particularly using the doctrine of Planned Parenthood versus Casey.

So in that 1992 case, you recall Kennedy actually wrote the opinion on that one.

There was a test that was put on abortion law saying that you couldn't have an abortion law in place that created an undue burden for a woman seeking an abortion.

And at the time, there was actually a lot of consternation on the left that that test was going to be used to pair back abortion law.

That basically they were going to pass a bunch of laws, and the the court was going to say, well, that doesn't present an undue burden on a woman trying to get an abortion.

Now, that's not actually what the court ended up doing.

They ended up upholding a bunch of abortion laws, upholding a bunch of, you know, getting rid of a bunch of abortion laws to preserve abortion.

But you could see that doctrine sort of minimized

under Kavanaugh and

Roberts.

So I think that what you're going to see is a new swing middle with Kavanaugh and Roberts writing very carefully tailored opinions that don't sort of knock over broad areas of the law.

So I don't think you have to worry about this guy being Souter.

I don't think you have to worry about this guy being John Paul Stevens.

This guy got to be Kennedy?

Is it going to be Kennedy?

I think it's going to be Kennedy either.

I don't think it'll be Kennedy.

I think Kennedy is somebody who established rights out of poll claw.

I remember Kennedy was Lawrence v.

Texas guy, and

Obersfeld guy.

I don't think that's Kavanaugh.

I think Kavanaugh is a lot less ambitious than that, and I also don't think that's the way he approaches the law.

It's just that everything that he writes is incredibly closely tailored and as narrow as humanly possible.

And that has benefits in the sense that

his decisions will probably be slightly less controversial.

It has its drawbacks in the sense that if you want the Supreme Court to make clear stands on issues like, for example,

religious freedom, and

you want him to make statements about this law violates religious freedom outright, as opposed to finding a reason to strike down the law without saying it violates religious freedom outright, then I think you're going to be disappointed.

So you're going to see a lot of masterpiece cake shop holdings that come out correctly but are as closely tailored as possible rather than just saying you can't force a religious person to bake a cake for a same-sex wedding.

Wow.

So

what does that, what does that,

what does that mean in the long run?

Have we changed it

as dramatically as what the media is going to

is going to approach this with?

Does anything fundamentally change because of this?

I mean, I think the only thing that fundamentally changes is that you're not going going to get these wild outlier opinions that Kennedy was fond of.

I don't know.

We got it from John Roberts.

Right, but I opposed Roberts.

I'm more comfortable with Kavanaugh than I am with Roberts.

Having looked at a lot of Kavanaugh's decisions, it seems like the big problem with Kavanaugh is that he votes the right way, but writes as closely tailored

as possible, whereas Roberts was a consensus builder who was always attempting to avoid ruling on anything whatsoever.

So that's basically what he did in the Obamacare decision.

I don't think he's going to be full Roberts.

I think he'll be closer to Alito than he is to Roberts.

And if so, then I think that we ought to be relatively pleased.

I think it's a double.

I don't think it's a home run.

I think that Trump really could have gone for the fences here.

And instead, he picked a really safe pick who he knows he's going to get through, very well qualified, obviously.

And Kavanaugh is going to sail through the nomination hearings because he's been following the stuff forever.

He's clever enough to watch that.

What I don't buy into is a lot of the hype on both the right and the left that Kavanaugh is some sort of secret radical.

So on the right, you're seeing people say, well, he worked for Ken Starr.

Well, so what?

I mean, John Roberts worked for the Republicans on the Hill for a long time and ended up being John Roberts.

I don't think that matters.

And on the left, you're hearing that Kavanaugh is going to be the guy who strikes down Roe v.

Wade and we're going to do handmade tail kind of stuff.

And right now, I have a thrilling business idea.

If you're in Forego and

if you and I go into it, I think we have the money to make this happen.

We can start our own line of red cloaks and white nuns nuns' habits.

Well, in the next three years, we will just make banks.

It's really amazing, Ben, because I have talked about it and I've already done a couple of sketches of the red hoods.

You have to have the bonnet

with the cloak.

And so I'm in on that.

The idea that he was playing it close to the vest on this last ruling with the illegal immigrant that had the abortion, where he said six or eight times

in his dissent

that

he was only

claiming that abortion could be had by this individual because it was the law of the land and the precedent set by the Supreme Court.

And it reads kind of as if he is setting up saying,

I don't agree with it, but it is the law of the land, and I'm not going to change that.

Do you buy into that at all?

Yeah, I mean, there are two ways to read that particular opinion.

One of them is to read the way that you say, which is that he's saying it's precedent, I'm bound by it.

The other is him saying, you know, it's precedent, I'm bound by it while I'm on the circuit court, right?

Because while you're on the circuit court, you are bound by precedent.

While you're on the Supreme Court, not quite as much.

So,

again, I think it is very, very unlikely that Roe-Bee-Wade is overturned by Kavanaugh and Roberts.

I think that...

Remember, it takes four votes to actually accept the writ of sertierity to the Supreme Court.

So let's say that the state of Montana passes a law tomorrow, and the law is that they're going to ban abortion from inception, except in the cases of life of the mother.

And somebody in Montana appeals that to the Circuit Court of Appeals, and let's say the Circuit Court of Appeals, still applying Rose, says this law is unconstitutional.

And then Montana appeals that to the Supreme Court.

Well, the Supreme Court doesn't have to take it.

It requires four votes on the Supreme Court to take a writ of certiorary to accept the case.

I don't know that you actually have four votes on the Supreme Court to accept that case.

I think that it's very unlikely, in fact, that you have four votes on the court to accept that case.

I think if Barrett had been there, I think you would have.

But I think that with Kavanaugh and Roberts, I think very unlikely, I think he'll only have three.

And that means that what they're instead going to do is deny cases like that and accept cases that kind of gradually pare back abortion.

So, for example, a fetal pain bill.

That'll pass.

It'll go to a Court of Appeals.

The Court of Appeals will strike it down.

And then the Supreme Court will accept it and say it's not an undue burden on the mother under Planned Parenthood versus Casey to say that

if she's going to get an abortion, she ought to get it earlier than the fetus can feel pain.

I think they're gradually going to pare back the extent to which Roe v.

Wade governs.

But if you are somebody who wanted this overturned immediately, I think you're going to be disappointed.

So do you think, would that have been more of a possibility if you would have picked Amy Coney Barrett?

Yes.

I think that if you picked Barrett, I think it would have forced Roberts into a position.

The problem is that Kavanaugh provides Roberts with enough support that he doesn't actually have to make decisions, which is Roberts' favorite thing to do, is not make decisions.

So I think that what Barrett would have done is she could have gotten together with Gorsuch, Alito, Thomas, and said, listen, we're accepting this thing, right?

Roberts doesn't want to see this case in front of the Supreme Court.

It doesn't matter.

We got four votes to bring it up.

Let's bring it up.

Now we have four votes to uphold Roe v.

Wade on the left, and we have four votes to overturn Roe v.

Wade on the right, and Roberts is going to be the swing vote on that.

And let's see where the chips fall.

Sorry, Ben.

He also seems to be like-minded with Roberts on Obamacare.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, I think that, again, it's difficult to read that case straight-faced, in a straight-faced fashion, because this is very typical Kavanaugh.

What he did in that case is the D.C.

Circuit Court of Appeals basically upheld Obamacare and he wrote a dissent.

And in the dissent, instead of him saying, no, Obamacare is a bunch of pile of crap, instead of him saying that, which is correct, instead what he said was, I can't reach the merits of this case because I don't have jurisdiction.

And the reason I don't have jurisdiction is because it falls under the Anti-Injunction Act because it's a tax, not a fine.

And that logic, tax, not a fine, was used by Chief Justice Roberts in saying that Obamacare had to be upheld, right?

He actually used that logic as his key logic in saying that Obamacare was worth upholding.

So Kavanaugh, in his attempt to avoid ruling on the case utterly, and in his attempt to dissent from

greenlighting the case, in fact ended up providing the logic to Robert.

So his defenders say, well, that was just Kavanaugh trying to be judicially minimalist and restrained by not reaching the merits of the case he didn't think he had jurisdiction over.

didn't vote the wrong way on the case.

The vote itself, if you saw just dissent by Kavanaugh, you think, okay, well, then he probably voted the right way.

But the content of the dissent was tailored in this very clever legal fashion in order to avoid responsibility for having to vote on the thing.

So it's, this is why I say that I think he's closer to Roberts than Alito.

I hope he's closer to Alito than Roberts, but I don't think that he's Kennedy.

I don't think he's suitable.

So he is a, he's, you know, he's been around all of the politicians.

And if he were

trying to

make sure that he had the opportunity to be on the Supreme Court,

wouldn't it make sense to rule the way he has and just been very, very narrow?

I mean, is it too much to think that

he was just being a very good politician on this?

And now that he, because he didn't have the jurisdiction, now that he would have the jurisdiction, those things would

play through.

Yeah, I mean, that's the hope, and that's also the risk, right?

The way you get on the Supreme Court these days is by being non-controversial and writing bland opinions and by ensuring that you can get through a confirmation hearing without having to answer any tough questions.

And that's going to make people on the right hope that secretly, deep down, Kavanaugh's going to get up there and start

busting up the windows.

But I don't think that, but on the left, you're at the same time thinking, well, maybe the reason that he's been so restrained is because once he gets here, he's actually going to unleash the full force of his opinions and he's going to tend toward the left.

So I'm not a big fan of stealth candidates.

I like candidates where I know going in what they think.

I think that the right should have litmus tests on legal issues.

I don't think we should be nominating people who we don't know are going to overturn Roebie v.

Wade.

I think the left has its own litmus test.

It's absurd the right doesn't have litmus tests.

And it's the reason why we've basically gone one for two.

The right only bats 500 on judicial appointments.

The left bats 1,000 on judicial appointments.

There's never been a leftist who's moved to the right

on the court, but there have been a bunch of people who are appointed by Republicans who have moved to the left.

So my view is that, you know, again, I think that

at bare minimum, he'll be another Roberts.

He could be better than that, but he could be another Roberts.

But

it doesn't change,

you know, when

we're being called extremists for a guy that most real constitutional conservatives are like, hmm, okay, maybe.

I mean, I'm not thrilled about it, but I'm not panicked.

I'm just going to have to watch him.

They've made him into the biggest, you know, evil character in America today that I think it was ABC said

could be responsible for, what was it, killing millions?

Yeah, that was.

Exactly.

They were saying killing millions.

There were people who were saying that he was,

I think it was Justin Miller, one of these reporters at Daily Beast, I think, who was suggesting that he could be responsible for the banning of contraceptives in America.

He then wrote an opinion in which he said, in the opinion, it was a compelling government interest for the government to provide contraceptives.

The level of absurdity to which the left has sunk is so extraordinary at this point.

This is why I say Trump should have just gone for it.

If they're going to sink to this level of absurdity, then you may as well just go for the person you know is going to vote your way 100% of the time.

You may as well just pick Mike Lee.

Because if they're going to go crazy anyway, then you may as well just rent the libs, own the libs.

They're going to put themselves up for sale here.

I agree.

Ben, a little disappointed, and I think if they do reject,

because I'm for Barrett, I know you were for Barrett, but

if the Democrats and the Republicans reject this candidate because he's too radical, I think we should go right to you.

I think you should be dominated

because

it would set the precedence of, don't screw with me.

You didn't like that one guy?

Wait until he shows you what's next.

I mean,

I will say that the ratings for the hearings would just be extraordinary.

Mr.

Shapiro,

what do you think of Rollerway?

I think it's total garbage from beginning to end.

You know,

I said this to my kids the other day, and they were like, but dad, he's not an attorney.

And I said, well, you don't have to be an attorney.

You don't have to be a judge or an attorney or anything.

The president could pick anybody.

Oh, no, this is the good news, right?

I could do it.

Let's do it, man.

I'm an attorney.

I'm a Harvard law attorney.

Let's do this thing.

But you don't have to be, do you?

I know.

No, you don't have to be an attorney.

In fact,

you don't have to be a judge.

You don't have to be anything.

There's no legal qualification that is required.

But here's the good news.

If Trump wants to maintain that Harvard-Yale balance on the court that he seems so concerned with, then we can make this happen.

My hat's still in the ring.

If Kavanaugh follows through, go with me.

Thanks a lot, Ben.

Appreciate it.

Thanks a lot.

I really think, I think that should be our stance.

I think that should be our stance.

I think everyone should,

we should all just gather together and go, okay, well, if it's not him, Ben Shapiro.

That will scare the living daylights out of it.

Because Ben Shapiro could run circles around any of them in a hearing.

He's right.

It would be like the Super Bowl, a hearing for Supreme Court Justice nominee Ben Shapiro.

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always relevant

is especially at 160 green he is no he's always relevant and

he was just asked about Jesus and what Jesus would do here's a little bit of Jimmy Carter I never have run across any really serious conflicts between my political obligations and my religious faith how about gay marriage

that's no problem with me you know the only I think everybody should have a right to get married

regardless of their sex.

And

the only thing I would draw a line on, I wouldn't be in favor of the government being able to force a local church congregation to perform gay marriages if they didn't want to.

But those two partners should be able to go to the local courthouse or to a different church and get married.

That's no problem.

I have had a problem with abortion.

You know, and this has been a long time problem of mine.

I have a hard time believing that

Jesus, for instance, would approve abortions unless it was because of rape or incest or if the mother's life was in danger.

So I've had that struggle.

But my oath of office was to obey the Constitution

and the laws of this country as interpreted by the Supreme Court.

So I went along with that, but that's been the only caveat.

So when I was in the middle of the day,

gay marriage?

I believe he would.

I believe Jesus would.

I don't have any verse in Scripture.

No, no, no, but just intuitively, yeah.

I can't believe it.

I don't believe that Jesus would approve gay marriage.

But I'm not.

That's just my own personal belief.

It's interesting.

I think Jesus would encourage any kind of love affair if it was honest and sincere

and was not damaging to anyone else.

Wow.

And I don't see that gay marriage damages anyone else.

Okay, well, that's an interesting take on

it.

It is an interesting take.

You know, but before he started in on what Jesus would do,

you know, his take on

should a gay couple be able to get married, I'm with him.

Yes, just the government needs to get out of all marriages.

We need to reduce the federal and governmental involvement in our lives.

So I don't care what you do in your own life.

The government has no place in my marriage.

It

surely shouldn't have anything to do with yours.

And as long as my church isn't forced to

perform the marriages, or a gay church that doesn't want to marry, I don't know,

heterosexual people, they shouldn't be forced either.

Or a baker that doesn't want to make a cake for one and participate in the ceremony shouldn't have to.

Yeah, it's called right of conscience.

And what I think Jesus would be upset about is a government saying you have to say certain things, otherwise we'll have the mob crucify you.

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You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

It's quite a program today.

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If you missed any of it, make sure you grab the podcast at the iTunes Store, Glenn Beck.com, or you can find it at theblaze.com.

But don't miss a second today.

We started with Mike Lee.

We had Ben Shapiro.

Coming up in about a half hour is Dave Rubin.

But I want to introduce you to a couple of really remarkable people: Aaron Hale and Michaelie Hale.

They are the CEO and co-founders of

Extraordinary Delights.

But I want to, before we get to even what that is, I want to introduce you to Aaron,

who was

Navy, right?

And you were

a,

was he a cook for the Sixth Fleet, right?

For the Admiral.

Yeah.

And you decided that you wanted to serve your country in a little more dangerous way.

And you went and you got into the bomb squad or the EOD, right?

Yeah.

Which is explosives.

And in 2011,

can he hear me well enough to be able to tell the story?

Can you tell the story of what happened, Aaron?

Absolutely.

That's right.

I started off as the Navy cook and then jumped ship and went to Army explosive ordnance disposal and became the military's bomb squad.

And in 2011, I was on my third deployment, second time to Afghanistan when

in December

I

was working on an IED,

and I had it dismantled, and I was just collecting evidence and disposing of the bulk explosive when a secondary device detonated that hadn't yet been detected.

And it took my eyesight,

cracked my skull in a few places,

and

left me with limited hearing.

Okay, so first of all,

why

what made you say that serving in the I mean, you were the main guy

for the Admiral in the Sixth Fleet.

Why

what made you say, I want to leave the safety of the kitchen and go work out some bombs?

Very good question.

Being stationed in Italy and working for a three-star Admiral is not

a very it's not a hard ship duty.

Yeah, Not at all.

And I was having a great time touring around Europe in my

free time and

cruising the Mediterranean on the flagship while cooking some great food.

But as both wars were in full swing, I just felt a calling to do something a little more direct, a little more

to

you know utilize my skills in other ways.

So I met some explosive ordnance disposal guys.

They told me all about the field,

the type brotherhood, the technical aspect, and

I was hooked from the get-go.

Michaela, were you two married at the time?

We were not.

But Aaron's mom and my mom grew up as childhood friends together in Baltimore.

And I've known Aaron since I was born.

So we grew up together.

That's great.

So when this happened,

you started helping on recovery.

You taught him how to read again by

so in 2015 Aaron actually came down with bacterial meningitis and it was through the original crack in his skull that the bomb caused and

this left him completely deaf on top of being 100% blind.

So we were in the hospital for a long time and they wanted to make sure that the bacteria was gone before they would even try to put a cochlear implant in.

And the first cochlear implant failed.

So Aaron was left without hearing or eyesight.

So we came up with this way of communicating where I would write letter by letter into the palm of his hand.

So if you can imagine how time-consuming it would be to just transcribe an email, but we would just write in all capital letters on the palm of his hand to spell out whatever we wanted to say.

And it really just started out in the hospital, like, what's your pain level?

1 to 10?

What is it?

And he would tell us.

And

then it went into full-blown way of communicating for about six months before

maybe a year before the um cochlear implant worked the first one they did didn't work at all so that was really discouraging and then the second one they did worked but it's a whole new way of hearing so we hear um acoustically we can make sense of background music and other people talking and Aaron hears electronically.

So it's all kind of the same sound.

So yeah, it's described as a wall of of sound that you can't, the background is indistinguishable from the

main source.

So then when did you guys start making your own fudge and chocolate?

I will tell you, for about a month now, everybody in this building has been talking about the chocolate and the fudge.

And I mean, honestly, we've had some pretty big people come through the doors.

I don't think anybody in this building has been more excited.

to have you guys bring fudge than anybody else who's walked through these doors.

When did that happen?

Yeah, that's a great story.

Aaron.

Well,

right after the meningitis, and I was back out of the hospital, and I was at home

in complete darkness and now complete silence.

It's a pretty lonely place, a pretty awful place to be.

It was tough when all of the tools and techniques that

I'd learned over the last, you know, the previous four years of being blind, most of it was audio-based.

I didn't even have the need, the necessity to learn Braille,

which would have been a good idea after the fact.

But

there I was just sitting in my, you know, at the kitchen counter feeling down.

You know, the why-me's and the what-ifs start creeping in, and I needed something to do.

So I fell back on my old love, my old skills of cooking, got into the kitchen.

It was right about the holidays, and we'd invited tons of friends and family, and we were going to make this huge feast, and I got into it.

For the first time in probably six months, Michaela had seen

a smile on my face while I was making all these stuffing, the turkey, and all these desserts.

I was making desserts weeks in advance.

So much fudge was coming out of that kitchen that Michaela was sneaking it out the front door.

I say sneaking, I'm a blind, deaf guy.

You don't

have to be real.

I'm leaving with the fun.

Exactly.

Yeah, right.

You don't have to be real stealthy.

But

she was giving it away to our neighbors, to friends, and they were coming back and asking,

can we buy some more of this for our party?

And I'm

being a capitalist mindset, said, well, of course you may.

That's just how it got started.

And so the name of the company is EOD.

Yeah, so Aaron was in explosive ordnance disposal in the Army, and we did a play on words, and now it's Extra Ordinary Delights, or EOD fudge.

We started with fudge.

Now we make a lot of different chocolates.

Yeah, really good.

It's fun.

Really, really good.

So,

you know, they say that

people who are really, truly mentally healthy don't have to turn on the radio.

They can be alone with their own thoughts.

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You still don't go whitewater rafting?

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Yeah, you're like,

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Since I have my sight, I'm going to sit on this couch and watch TV.

Right.

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We're going to talk to him a little bit about the Supreme Court, but more importantly, classic liberalism and what it means when somebody like Ted Cruz says, I don't want a conservative on the Supreme Court.

I want a constitutionalist.

I want somebody who is a classic liberal.

Classic liberalism was a term that was taken and destroyed by FDR, but it is what libertarians used to be, constitutionalists, classic liberalism.

We'll talk about a new movement in America that is really

starting to have an impact with classic liberalism when we come back.

Glenn Batch.

Listen.

Listen for it.

Can you hear it?

Somewhere, the bickering, the constant whining and complaining,

non-stop.

What is that?

Oh, it's Washington.

The conservative pundits say that we need a conservative Supreme Court justice.

That's outrageous.

President Trump's legacy depends on it.

Our country will crumble without it.

Meanwhile, the liberals say Trump is Hitler.

He plans to resurrect Judas specifically for that role.

That's what he did.

Senior editor at Media Research Center noted: quote: As with all recent Republican nominees, reporters will repeatedly label them as conservative, which will nicely reinforce a Democratic strategy to paint them as outside the mainstream.

One study found that Roberts, Alito, and Gorsuch were called conservative 36 times on ABC, CBS, and NBC within 24 hours of their nomination, while Sodomayor, Kagan, and Garland were only labeled liberal seven times total, using the same parameters.

Even in a mostly positive article about Trump's pick, Judge Barrett Kavanaugh or Brett Kavanaugh, USA Today couldn't resist the urge to slip in the word conservative into the title.

The

partisan jockeying back and forth is just as bad on the right as it is on the left, on this, and

it's misguided.

When we look for a Supreme Court justice,

we should not be looking for the most conservative.

We should be looking for the one

that is

constitutional.

Because a conservative legacy is not what matters.

We shouldn't want a liberal or a conservative.

This is what causes these great swings in our society.

We want somebody who looks at the Constitution and the Bill of Rights, understands them, and protects them.

It's Tuesday, July 10th.

You're listening to the Glenn Beck program.

There's something happening in the country, and the mainstream media just doesn't even see it.

And what it is, is it's splintering.

It's splintering in a million different directions.

One is this

walk away movement with the Democrats, where Democrats are starting to say, say,

I just can't do it anymore.

They don't really know where to go.

Some of them are just going in and following into the Republican Party.

I think a vast majority.

In the end, we're all going to be kind of staying away from the parties and just say, I just want

truth and freedom, which would put you in place with the Constitution.

And a guy who was really early on this was Dave Rubin.

Hello, Dave.

How are you?

Good.

How's it going, my friend?

Good.

Would you consider yourself always a constitutional or a classic liberal?

Well, I don't know about always.

I mean, we've discussed my political evolution a couple of times, and I definitely firmly was on the left.

I was a liberal, but we know how that word has been changed around.

But I really, I was a progressive, and I was on the Young Turks Network, which in my estimation these days is a pretty far-left organization.

And when you come from that perspective, the leftist perspective, it's really not rooted in the Constitution.

It's sort of rooted in what do you kind of feel is right at any given moment.

This is where Ben Shapiro's, you know, facts don't care about your feelings really hits home.

It's like most of the things that the left these days, and I say the left, and I don't mean every single person on the left, of course, and you know, we all get caught in the words, and your intro to this was on point because I think people are going to flee the parties and and the paradigm that we've always had of left and right isn't really making sense anymore you know it really is you are either for liberty you're for freedom and you're for how you want to live without impinging and impugning on anyone else's rights or you want the state to deal with everything so I don't know that I thought of things through the constitutional prison way back when.

I just thought, oh, this seems right.

Oh, I want to help poor people, so the government must do it, or whatever it was, or I want to help gay people, so the government must do it.

And

it didn't really have a backing of what the laws are.

That's why your intro to this and related to the Supreme Court decision right now is so right.

It's not about whether we should have a conservative or a liberal.

It's about do we have someone that has the mental acumen basically to understand what the laws are and not write laws, but defend the laws.

That's the whole purpose of three branches of government.

That's why the judiciary exists.

Not to write laws.

That's, of course,

for the legislature.

That's for the Senate and the Congress.

So we need people that will uphold the system that we have in place because although it is not perfect, I would argue there's no such thing as a perfect system, it's pretty damn good.

And now, as we've seen the left really go bananas and embrace this democratic socialism, which, by the way, once they're in power with that, the word democratic is going to go away pretty quickly

because they're just, it's a temporary placeholder to make it palatable for now.

And I fear that far more than what I fear on the right these days, because on the right, what's interesting to me is you can see, I think, at least three distinct groups of people with different ideologies.

So you've got the Trump people.

and the MAGA people.

Okay, that's one.

That's a pretty clear one.

Then you've got all the never Trump conservatives, and that's a pretty strong group of people, too.

And then I think you have the group that probably where you and I are a little more in line, which is basically the libertarian classical liberals that aren't saying we're part of this party or anything else, but

it's a rooted and limited government and your rights as an individual.

That's three really distinct groups of people that are fighting it out for what the right is these days.

The left, unfortunately, really has the democratic socialists, so the Bernie's and the Elizabeth Warrens and Keith Ellisons, etc.

And then there's a tiny, but almost completely gone minority of what I would say are sort of decent liberals.

But I don't know where they are.

I mean, where are all the blue dog Democrats?

There seemingly is nobody left.

I think some of them exist, but they've just been cowed into silence.

But I think for the health of the system, we need those people to come back because

you need a good fight on both sides.

And I wish we could see it again.

Trevor Burrus, Jr.: So do you think that with this

rapid embrace of socialism,

you know, shutting down ICE, I mean, all of this stuff looks pretty crazy, I think, to the average person.

And the stances that the Democrats are now taking,

it doesn't make it easy for them to say that they're in the center because they're not.

Do you think they're overplaying their hand, Dave?

Oh, yeah.

There's no doubt.

I mean, look, if your choice is basically whatever Trump wants on immigration or open borders, let's say you're just an apolitical person, right?

You don't really care about politics.

You're busy doing other things.

But then someone presents you with that question.

Do you want some situation that Trump's doing where we're going to have tighter border controls?

Maybe there's going to be this wall, but who the hell knows if that's going to happen?

You know, he's basically doing the same exact things that Obama and Bill Clinton did anyway.

But yes, does he speak about it in a sloppy, often offensive way?

Sure.

But if your choice, if you're just the average person, right, not the politico who knows the ins and outs of everything, you're just the average person, and your choice is between that, what Trump is offering, or open borders, which almost is where the Democrats are at this point.

I mean, Keith Ellison,

he almost became the head of the DNC.

Just last week or about 10 days ago, he was wearing a shirt that in Spanish,

I'm going to miss it slightly, but it was in effect.

It said, I don't believe in borders.

Borders don't exist.

I don't care what language he's putting that in, but that is a radically extreme idea.

Borders exist because nations exist.

So if your argument is that nations don't exist, well, should we just be able to wander into Canada or should we have Mexican be able to just wander into this country?

I mean, that's a truly radical position.

But if I've learned anything in the last couple of years, and it's really what put me on the map and what made people like you know who I am, is that as I think I was an early adopter of seeing what was going on on the left because I was part of it.

And I was really in it.

And I kept saying, you know, these are the problems.

We have to stop labeling everybody racist.

We have to stop calling everyone homophobes and all the rest of this.

And then we have to really get to the, what are we really talking about here?

Everything can't just be the easy bumper sticker answer.

And unfortunately,

They have just doubled down and doubled down and doubled down.

And you would have thought, and I did a video about this, I think, the day after the election, Trump's election, that you would have thought maybe there would have been a moment of reflection where they would say, you know, this just, maybe we've played our hand too much, et cetera.

And no, they just decided to go in the other way.

And what makes me hopeful about this is what I mentioned before about what I see on the right, that there is.

There is a true battle of ideas happening on the right.

And it's a beautiful thing.

So, you know, when I see all these, the Never Trumpers hating the Trumpers and then this and that, it's like, guys, if we could just tone the rhetoric down a little bit, you're actually

doing the right thing because you're not out on the street killing each other.

You're fighting for what you believe in.

Yes.

And that's really, really great.

So that's where, for me right now, that's where my energies are because I can see such great alliances.

And that's why I'm thrilled that we've been doing more together.

And that this growing group of the intellectual dark web, as it's called, is a group of people all over the political map and we're just we're just trying to play the game a little bit differently because the other game it's it's old and it's tired and it's just not working david so extraordinary to hear a former member of uh

you know the young turks speak like this for those people who are new to this party what was it that finally

snapped in your mind and and turned you around

there were a couple things i mean

the night that it all changed for me, you know, I could actually pinpoint the actual moment.

And if I really whittled it down, I could probably give you the exact minute of the day.

It's almost like you could remember.

It's almost like when you have a huge change, you can remember what the room even looks like in the wallpaper.

It's a tipping point.

Okay, good.

Exactly.

It was at about 10.47 Eastern on

September something, a couple of years back.

So

Sam Harris, the neuroscientist and author,

famous for being a quote, new atheist, he was on real time with Bill Maher to discuss he was actually on to discuss his book his book called Waking Up, A Guide to Spirituality Without Religion.

So his book was about inner peace, basically.

Ben Affleck was on the other side of the table.

They started talking about religion, Islam in particular.

And long story short, Ben basically called Bill Maher and Sam Harris gross and racist because they were discussing radical Islam.

And Sam was talking about how you have to be able to separate people and ideas.

So of course, you have to be able to separate, you have to be able to criticize Islam, which is a set of ideas, just like you should be able to criticize the set of ideas that make up Christianity or make up Judaism or any other religion.

It's a set of ideas, and ideas should be criticized.

No idea should just stand above us to control us.

But that doesn't mean you should be able to discriminate against people.

I mean, I guess we can discriminate against people, but that's not the right thing to do.

You should separate ideas and people.

In effect, Afbleck called

Bill Maher and Sam Harris gross and racist.

And what I saw happen almost immediately, and I didn't even know who Sam Harris was at the time, is that the entire media and the entire leftist establishment started turning on Bill, turning on Sam, and I saw, wow, here were two people who are lefties.

I mean, Bill Maher, for all the disagreements that you must have with him, Glenn, this is the guy who's been the standard-bearer of sort of mainstream leftism forever,

liberalism, whatever you want to call it.

And now suddenly, he is being thrown under the bus because he took one position, which wasn't even a really controversial position.

It was just a confused position by Affleck.

And then, once I saw the way defeating frenzy to destroy their own

without being principled, without even listening to the argument, argument.

Once I saw that, I suddenly saw it everywhere in almost every argument that I could hear on the left and the way that they would treat everyone on the right, every single Republican politician, every single conservative, guys like you, guys like Prager, Shapiro, everybody, that there was never a counter-argument.

It was always that they were a bigot, they were a racist, they hated women, they hated gays.

And suddenly it started, I mean, it's a house of cards.

And once you pull out out that first card the rest falls very quickly and that doesn't mean that the right

or

conservatives or Republicans have all the answers they absolutely do not but if this is what I always expected my guys to be a little bit better in this case my guys being the liberals and once I saw it it it crumbled very quickly and and then that really put me on the path to

where I'm at now, which really, you know, it's somewhere between a classical liberal and a libertarian.

But basically what I believe is in freedom.

You can live how you feel you should live.

And you just can't come on my property and you can't kill me.

But in effect, the government, that's what the government's supposed to protect at its most basic level.

And that's about it.

And the more you go to that, I think you'll find more creative people.

You'll find happier people.

You'll find people that are willing to live and let live and willing to accept differences and agree to disagree.

And that's why I'm hopeful these days, because, again, from your intro, like people are tired of the lunacy.

And I think we just got to give them a little bit of a roadmap to get out of it.

Dave Rubin, the host of the Rubin Report, which is the biggest talk show about free speech and big ideas on YouTube now, the Rubin Report.

Make sure you check him out.

Also, where can I find the classic liberal cartoon?

I saw it this morning.

Somebody sent it to me.

We just posted it this morning.

It's our first ever animated short, and it's about two and a half minutes.

I explained classical liberalism, and of course, you'll appreciate this because I'm doing so many things, and I'm on tour with Peterson right now.

And you know, all the copy editing and all that is on me.

I did, of course, make one factual error because I was writing so much of this on the plane and everything else.

I said that Thomas Jefferson put the pursuit of happiness in the Constitution, but of course, it's in the Declaration of Independence.

What a dope.

What a dope.

Well, his whole empire is done done now.

Crumbling down.

Yeah, exactly.

You know, they're always looking to get you.

You know, I did make one little mistake in there.

But that being said, it's a real primer.

I just wanted to give people a simple, fun primer to some of these ideas.

And then it's on you.

It's on you as a human to figure out what you believe.

You don't have to believe what I believe.

But, you know, you want to give people a chance to figure out what they believe.

Follow Dave at RubinReport.

Dave Rubin.

Thanks so much for being on with us today.

Thanks, Taylor.

I'll see you soon.

You got it.

Really great guy.

I like him.

Really great guy.

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You know,

I've learned a lot

by shutting my mouth and listening a little bit more.

And I remember when Dave first invited me onto his show, and I knew who he was or who he used to be.

And he said, you know, no, I've really changed, and I really would love to have you on and talk.

I bet you were skeptical of that a little bit.

Oh, yeah, a lot.

but you know me.

I am willing to walk into the buzzsaw if there's a chance.

And I thought there was a chance, and we had a great conversation, and we're like brothers now.

That almost never happens, too.

You know, you're always promised that, like with Katie Kirk.

Oh, no, she's this is not a trap.

This is not a gotcha interview.

No, you're doing her a favor, and she knows that.

Uh-huh.

Really?

Thanks.

So, anyway,

but so I did this, and it was very eye-opening because if you listen to what he's saying,

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Big rallies that kind of clashed in London over the weekend.

There were some trans people carrying huge banners that says trans activism erases lesbians.

The lesbians who were there happened to take issue with that.

So you had this battle between

these two extreme left-wing groups.

And they love it when they eat their own.

The lesbian said,

a man, no matter what he does to his body, cannot be a lesbian.

Well, wait, whoa, wait a minute.

Whoa.

What kind of judgment is

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Mercury?

Not sure how to actually react to this one.

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So, here's the good news: if you're traveling:

airline bathrooms are are getting smaller.

Yeah.

Well, they were so spacious to begin with.

You know, you could afford a little bit.

Yeah, I thought, you know, when you got in there and there was the little lounging, you know, couch there, I thought it was a little too big.

Yes.

You know?

Yeah.

But I like it when I can't actually turn enough to get my butt even toward the toilet.

That is fun, isn't it?

Because your seat has also gotten smaller.

Right.

So you're jammed in between two massive human beings in the middle seat.

And,

you know, that's comfortable enough.

If they could just make the airline experience more like being jammed into a pipe.

That'd be great.

Wouldn't that be great?

Because it's a miserable experience in the terminal when you're going through security.

You get to be felt up.

Yeah, but molested.

But yeah, I mean, you got to hand it to them.

They did warn you.

Yeah, they did warn you.

You know, they said it's in a terminal.

It makes you think of cancer.

It's going to be about as much fun.

Right.

Right.

And we should have known that.

We should have known that.

So that part is our fault.

So then you may not even...

So then you're waiting at the gate and you hear the announcement,

we've gotten an overbooked flight today.

We need seven volunteers to take some other flight.

I got to get home.

What do you mean?

Wait, why didn't you overbook the flight?

You book as many seats as you have.

No,

this happens all the time.

You go into a really nice restaurant, you know,

and you've booked your reservations.

They're like, ah, sorry, we overbooked.

Can you come back tomorrow?

Actually, they don't.

They don't do that.

No, they don't

get a movie theater.

No, when you get your CAT scan, you've taken the day off to go to the doctor's, you know.

Sorry, we overbooked CAT scan.

We overbooked, and the doctor can't see it all today.

That doesn't happen either.

Really?

Yeah, I don't know why the airline industry is the only business that can get away with this.

Yeah, we overbooked.

We got like three times as many passengers as can fit.

What?

So now, if nobody volunteers, you're forcing me off this flight that I already paid for.

I paid for this time and that seat

right now.

And I got to get home to go to work.

I think it's because they're all in on it.

I think if there was somebody who said, yeah, our bathroom's not going to get smaller, we're not making it any bigger, but we're not going to make it any smaller.

And

we're, you know what, we're not going to charge you for absolutely everything.

We won't charge you for everything.

and we won't overbook.

If somebody said that,

wouldn't you be more apt to take that?

I think you would.

Yeah, I think you would.

And then you've got the opposite of that, though, like Spirit Airlines, which my wife made the mistake of booking one time.

Spirit Airlines.

Spirit is kind of like, that's a little like Bob's.

Yeah, kind of like Bob's discount airline.

Yeah, I love Bob's Discount Airline.

I think parenthetically, it's Bob's discount airline, and then in parentheses, that may or may not make it to your destination.

It's something like that.

Yeah, fact.

Well, I I think it's joined with the guy who makes the mattresses.

So if the plane's going down, they just throw some mattresses out, and hopefully it's a softer landing.

Hopefully.

Hopefully.

And it's fun because you get tricked by the price of the actual ticket because the price of the ticket, say you're going from Dallas to New York, it's $1.98.

Wow, that's pretty good.

But to get a bag of luggage, it's $400.

And then if you want to take your purse, it's another $2.50.

Right.

And if you want peanuts, $48.

Well, no, you can't have peanuts.

But you can't have them.

We're all out of peanuts.

We'll show you a picture of peanuts.

Well, not even that.

We probably, somebody will, somebody will complain if we have a picture of peanuts, so you don't even get that.

I just saw somebody came out.

Well, Boeing has just introduced a 787.

Have you seen that?

Yeah.

Gigantic plane.

And supposedly there's going to be some room, but you know, you're going to pay a huge premium.

But I'm kind of willing because if you're traveling somewhere for four five or six hours it is such a miserable miserable experience now on on it is planes the it is greyhound bus of the 1950s and 60s it is i remember in the 1970s getting onto a greyhound bus with my mom because she didn't drive so if we ever went to the city we would take the greyhound bus and it was awful it was an awful experience and uh

I think that's the way it is now with airlines.

Sadly, it is.

And then you've got the stories like happened the other day where they were stranded on the tarmac for three hours.

Oh, in the heat.

Got up to 118 degrees in the plane, and they wouldn't let people off.

I don't understand that.

It's for your own safety.

Have them escorted by security or reroute the planes around them or let them go back to the terminal.

If it's going to be an hour delay, you shouldn't be stuck on a hot plane for that with no air conditioning.

People are vomiting, passing out, you know, using the aisles for a restroom.

It's only 118.

That's

hot.

It's like that for weeks

in Phoenix.

What's the problem?

Can I handle it for a couple of hours?

No, I couldn't.

Not in a plane.

I would go crazy.

Oh, I would go crazy.

Out of my mind.

I think they take guns away from people because they're afraid that when you're left on the tarmac, you could go crazy.

I wouldn't use a gun, but I guarantee I'd be arrested because I'd be so unruly at that point.

After an hour and a half in 118-degree heat with my family there, I think I'd be arrested.

It's not that hard to get arrested.

I want to test this.

How can we possibly test this?

This is too good.

By the way,

did you see last night, this kind of goes into what we were talking about with Dave Rubin, to where

they're just bashing anybody.

Last night,

the picket signs were out and the crowd was out in front of the Supreme Court before anybody was selected.

They didn't even know who.

Didn't matter.

Within a couple of minutes,

the Democrats and all of the left organizations had already put out

fundraisers for, hey, you got to join the fight against.

And you could tell it was just cut and paste, put the name in.

They were already prepared.

It got so bad last night that Shannon Bream actually had to cancel her show or her report.

She was on the street.

From onside.

She was on the steps where they usually do it for the Supreme Court.

And she said, I've been a lot of places, but I have never felt this unsafe at a broadcast.

And I don't feel safe.

So she went back to the studio because

I think she's right.

I don't think it would have been safe for a Fox News personality to be on on those steps.

Play the audio again.

Listen, I mean, you can't even understand what they're saying.

It's just so ridiculous.

Are our choice not Trump's choice?

Maybe.

I think that's one of the

women screaming that.

Yeah.

I have no idea what the guys

are saying.

But I wish I was part of that.

Well, your family would be so proud of you.

Wouldn't really be so proud.

Wouldn't they?

Yeah, they would.

They would.

Who's doing this?

Seriously,

who do you know that is normal that is

doing this?

Yeah.

I don't think anybody.

I don't know that many leftists, though.

No, but I don't know.

Those are the only ones who do it.

No, no, no.

Wright's not out there screaming about this.

But

if it was something else, they were putting, you know, well, Elena Kagan, we didn't do this.

Sonia Sotomayor, we didn't do this.

Who's left of Ginsburg?

We didn't do that.

Not at all.

And she was overwhelmingly confirmed by the Senate.

And so is, you know, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, for that matter.

96 to 3 for Ruth Bader Ginsburg.

The right doesn't do this.

We've got better things to do.

Like, I don't know, go to our jobs.

I just don't think I could be that pissed all the time i to where i had to where i had to go and i had to scream i don't even know who they're going to or to wait outside a restaurant for let's say nancy pelosi and then start yelling at her when she comes out of the restaurant would you ever consider doing that not in a million years would i do that no I don't like Nancy Pelosi, but I'm not waiting for her to come out of

a restaurant and then ask her where all the babies are.

Where's the 60 million babies you support being murdered?

I'm trying to think of this.

Do you know anybody, living or dead, but died in your lifetime?

Is there anybody

that you would do that to?

Where you would, like, I'm staying here.

I am, I've got to speak out.

I can't think of anybody.

Anybody in the world.

No.

I mean,

we were pretty upset by Barack Obama and wouldn't have considered doing this.

Never.

You know, we've always admitted how, you know, okay, we got kind of carried away during the Obama administration.

We were were concerned about him, and there was a lot to be concerned about.

The guy was a Marxist,

and we never got to this level.

It's a year and a half into Trump's presidency, and they're completely unglued.

It's complete chaos on the left now.

I've never seen anything like it.

And, you know, that's why people are afraid.

What was it?

Remember the survey a couple of weeks ago that came out?

48% of Americans believe we're headed for civil war in the next five years?

Yeah, and 11% say it's absolutely assured.

Yeah.

We haven't had that since the Civil War.

So it's time to get away from the market.

And you know,

the difference is too.

In the 1960s, they didn't control the media.

Right.

They control the media now.

And so the media, there's no one pushing back on these guys.

There's no one.

And for us, during Obama, there was somebody to push back.

The media.

Yeah.

Anytime anything outrageous kind of keeps you in check.

Yeah.

I was reading, I got a tweet.

Hang on.

See if I can find it from

Stelter

from C.

Brian Stelter.

Yeah, I saw this tweet from him, and I thought,

this is insanity.

This is,

and they don't, they just don't get it.

Let's see if I can find out.

What was he said?

shoot i'll have to look for it

it was it was so

so unaware

of

of

who they are and what they're doing and and how closed they their system is

you know they're just all in this pool and everyone thinks alike and they just

they are just they just are so self-righteous in no, we're right.

There's no even reason to even listen to anybody else.

We're just right.

No,

you are way out in space.

They don't know that, though, because they only talk to like-minded people.

They won't go on any sort of opposition media.

They don't have any friends who are conservative.

They just can't imagine talking to anybody who disagrees with them, which is, I think, why they're so.

I want to find somebody.

somebody, maybe we'll find a somebody who is a historian that can tell us first a little bit about a democratic socialist.

But I would love to talk to what's her face.

I would too, Ocasio-Cortez.

Yeah, I'd love to talk to her.

I doubt she would, but it would be great.

The only reason why it wouldn't is because the handlers would say, are you out of your mind?

You're not going on Glenn Back.

Yeah, but really anybody, I don't think, unless you're a die-hard

supporter.

I don't know if they'll ever allow out.

But I would love to have a conversation.

Just say, just tell me about the math.

I just want to know about the math.

How is that going to work?

Right.

How are you going to provide free education, free health care,

all of these other free programs?

Oh, a guaranteed job for everybody.

For everybody.

And guaranteed housing.

How do you do that?

Right.

I've listened to the Soviet Union.

And I don't want to, and I really don't want to, you know, play gotcha.

I really want to know.

Yeah, I'd like to.

Who on that side has really thought this through?

The only thing you hear her say is, in a free society that's the wealthiest on the planet, there is no reason for people to be poor.

Well, okay, how do you fix it?

How do you fix it?

And how do you go against the,

you know, the old adage

from Jesus, the poor will always be among you.

Right.

How do you do that?

When honestly, we know that there are some people

that want to be poor.

They want to live on the street.

I mean, not, I'm sure, not any close to a majority by any stretch, but they want to do that.

They also, we know there are many people that don't want to do any work to improve themselves.

Yep.

We should make sure that they're not poor as well.

And don't they have a right to that choice?

Anyway, I'd love to have that conversation.

We'll see as we

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